Great video! We have used our TinyJohn since spring of 2020 and we love it. We're now looking to install our second one in our RV. I love the fact that it runs on a 12V battery instead of drawing 2000W per cycle.
Very well done, none of the other companies did a real demo. I have always thought about incinerator toilets but the massive amount of electricity turned me off from them. I didn't know they had gas models, I calculated the usage, it comes out to around $10.80 for two people eight flushes per day for thirty days, that's less than my rv clothes dryer. For no hassel, no tanks, no bagging your poop and trying to find a place dump it and always carring your urine around in a plastic jug to pour it out. Bottom line , what are you camping for? Always looking for a place to dump human waste or push a button and forget it. You don't run outside gathering sticks to make a fire to cook with every time you hungry, you just turn a knob and use gas, it's the same with this, you just push a button. For me $10 for thirty days, no fuss no muss, is a no brainer. My problem is I will need six for all of my rigs and boats😔
Good day to you sir I was hoping to get some more elaboration on your cost calculations. Does this include the liners, gas and the power? I can't see that it would be much more expensive if there are any other costs I should add. I'm redoing our new house which was bought as an off grid unit, but have some kinks to sort out. The septic for that matter would need to be completely replaced as well as all the plumbing unfortunately. I was also wondering if you got to use a toilet as is demonstrated? My only concern is if it would be a bit "tacky" as a daily use unit in a home.
@@rohanndutoit4544 what’s really tacky is flushing 15k down the toilet on a septic tank as well as flushing more fresh water down the toilet in one flush than some nations get to drink in a day. These things look like a real new solution. Is it different absolutely. But the efficiency and cleanliness looks amazing.
Hi Cari Beth! I agree - I'd make my own liners, and I'd make them much bigger. I wonder how much propane is used in a 50-minute burn cycle. I would hope it's less than a small gas grill. Does the lid, or any part of the exterior get warm during burn? Wow, I can't believe there is literally NOTHING left in the bowl! Thanks for these videos. I'd like to thank your cats for their contribution to the effort. I see those cuties at the end! Hugs and kissies for them. Good job! See you next video.
Awww, thanks Ke Le! 0.2 pounds are used per waste (50 min) flush and 0.1 pounds are used per urine (25 min) flush. A good average to figure is one twenty pound tank can last 1 person 150 assorted flushes. For me that last about 1.5 - 2 months.
@@ceefiveceefive thats actually quite a lot cheaper than the electric ones which cost about $1 per flush (liner and fuel) or about 80-85 cents in power per flush/burn.
The only thing I would have added to this photo is your voltage check on the battery with a multimeter - before the test and after. Great video. Very expensive incinerator toilet - my only problem with it.
We installed our tinyjohn in our 5th wheel, and we are super excited. We now go boondocking and we don't have to worry about the black water tank. We are big fans of this potty, and ecojohn staff is great. They helped us answer several questions during the install. We ended up venting it out through the ceiling (we were looking at doing a side vent install first), how did you install the vent?
@@pictlandpickers1171 you just clean it... you don't poop without the liner because poop is very caustic and it would stick to the metal which is kind of nasty and it would erode the metal, but you can just clean any splashes like normal.
Thank you for your very fun and to the point video. Imma big fan now. The fist thing I would've done, like you, after you lifted the lid, is touch to see if it was warm. You read my mind lady. Superb.
I wish mine worked like this. It has been a total headache in my van since I ordered it in August. And the customer service has been only rude and defensive. I feel like it's been a heartache and a bummer. It's a real treat to check the ash chamber after a couple days to find....soup.
Is it necessary to incinerate after each use? Or could you say do 2-3 cycles and then incinerate? It seems like a like of time and resources for one use.
If it’s Yellow let it Mellow, if it’s Brown then Flush it Down, LOL! J/K, you should ALWAYS Flush after 1 uses the toilet. Hygiene Health is more important than saving electricity in this scenario. Plus, have you seen Myth Busters testing Bathrooms and toothbrushes that get Shit Particles on the bristles just by being in the same room as a dirty toilet? Shit Particles become airborne and land on everything! Just food for thought. Now think about all the people that wear Dentures..... 🤮
It is cleaned like any normal toilet. Take cleanser and wipe down the entire bowl area. The Tiny John also has a "Rinse" flush that releases cleanser anytime you wish to use it.
Human stool is 75% water, I personally opted for a Separette Tiny - its a beautiful piece of equipment but fundamentally flawed. High water retention means it accumulates much faster than I anticipated. In my humble opinion with some few modifications it could rival the TinyJohn - incorporated a dehydration chamber and some sort of agitator + drying agent and its a ''killer app''
This is the most amazing but disgusting yet professional demo review I have ever seen... I want one for camping!!! This plus Truck Camper = elimination of black water tank and gain of fresh water tank with minor work and a new water tank! The Army needs to invest in these and stop making us Soldiers burn shit with a stick and kerosene. That’s some biohazard shit, no joke but that’s how it’s done. This would revolutionize Combat Arms!
FOLLOW UP - so I just tried again and the PRESSURE SWITCH I mentioned IS IN FACT required to be "pushed in" in order for the unit to recognize that the tray IS INSERTED! HOWEVER, as I previously mentioned because of the way the switch is actually aligned in the unit the tray WOULD NEVER push that switch in - incredibly poor quality control. This time I turned the unit off, pushed in the switch, turned the unit on again while holding the button in, pressed waste and the unit ignited (after dumping some urine on my hand). So then I had to jimmy rig some way to keep the switch "pushed in". I took some metal from one of those screw type compression clamps and bent it to fit around the switch tight enough to keep the button pushed in. (Initially I was going to try some tape, but figured that because of the high temperature it wouldn't last.) It's now working, but really POOR QUALITY CONTROL!!!! We'll see how well this works . . .
Lol those liners won't be able to work with everybody have you seen what people's toilets look like or when people use the bathroom how easily someone can do a number two and explode the toilet above those liners.... Personally I think the liners should be able to go from the bottom and have full coverage up to where their seat is you should be able to put the liners tucked underneath the toilet seat and should be able to have enough space in room for everything and when you're finished lift up the seat and everything should drop in but you also have to make room to put toilet paper that's something that have not seen in any of these videos which depending on how much of a load you never know what anyone uses
Yes, the propane model still needs DC (battery) electricity to run the exhaust fan. For each waste (50 minute) flush, it uses 0.2 lbs of propane. For just a liquid flush, it uses 0.1 lbs of propane per flush.
I have a question. I understand why one would need to use the liner for taking a poop (to keep the sides from getting dirty, but I don't understand the purpose if you are going for a pee. Seems like a waste of wax paper.
@@uouo5313 Thanks for your input! You have some good thought-out ideas for the wax paper requirement. I would add to your comments that the wax paper is needed especially for #2's because a "slippery containment means" is necessary to ensure everything drops into the burn chamber properly. Since the lid is closed when the waste drops, you cannot help facilitate the waste getting into the chamber. Thus having the slippery waxpaper "hammock" ensures it falls in without trouble. Lol at Cinderella's "many years of development" reason to buy their liners! At least TinyJohn says outright you can make your own if you desire and do not have to buy theirs!
@@uouo5313 You shouldn't have too many problems a Cinderella. Cinderella has a good reputation and it is used in thousands of homes in Europe. I have a study by a Sweedish consumer report agency that compared all known incinerating toilets (my TinyJohn was not included, they might be too new). It requested by Cinderella for what its worth and the agency claims no bias though.Cinderella did the best. It was very interesting.
Actually no. If you need to go again, once you lift up the lid, the burn cycle stops. This allows you to go again. You can do this up to 6 times in a row. Then you push the appropriate button again and the burn cycle restarts!
I guess no one who uses an incinerator toilet use TP. Love y’alls minimalism Incinerator shower and spare bed for guest. When your done partying. No one to clean up or kick out.
This version requires propane for the fuel to burn. Other incinerating toilets have options of AC powered electric too. Since I have since decided to go propane-less in my RV, I should have opted for one of the AC powered ones.
It will be a very dirty mess to constantly clean for solids. The wax paper holds everything in place & enables it to all easily slide down into the trap below to be incinerated.
@@ceefiveceefive Sorry I meant to say for liquids? Also what if someone has to use the restroom after you? For example for a multi family home do you think that would work?
I would NOT buy a TinyJohn, based on the fact - I DID! $3,500+ for something that only has factory support is extremely problematic. I finally set my unit up and everything seemed fine. The display read "READY', but when I pushed the "Waste" button, the display turned to "NO TRAY". However, the TRAY IS INSTALLED! I took the bottom plate off to get at the tray (a really poor design as you have to unscrew FOUR screws to gain access). I unlatched the tray and reinserted it, to no avail - still read "NO TRAY". I took the tray out completely and inside the back of the unit there's a pressure switch. I pressed that in to see if that's what triggered the "NO TRAY" indication - no dice. I reinserted the tray several times but the "NO TRAY" display is till on. If in fact that is a pressure switch and is supposed to alert the unit the tray is inserted, IT WILL NEVER WORK since the the switch is aligned such that the actual button that would be pushed in is on the side of the switch AWAY FROM the inserted tray itself. So now I have to wait until Monday to try to get in touch with TinyJohn to see what the H is going on . . . . BUYER BEWARE!
Jim, yes. When you have it properly set up with ventillation and made sure of no leaks, it is very safe. This will be the only appliance I will install in the RV that runs on propane. I'll make certain to have CO2 detectors installed as well.
Good to hear there's a catalytic converter to further cut down on odor, seeing how the more popular these units get, the more they'll be used in recreational vehicles & thus campgrounds... which could make for an unpleasant experiance if the folks parked next to you, fire up their toilet as you're sitting down to dinner in the great out doors =0 On a side note, would love to see a company maybe come up with an efficient electric unit that could run on solar and batteries, that wouldn't tax/rundown the batteries too much.
Not possible. The energy involved is not even practical for a 220v power source. Solar would not have the capacity to run this. This is only practical power source, propane or some other burning fuel.
@@__WJK__ I speak from experience; many years ago I had an Incinolet electric version, it never quite got enough punch to burn off the waste thoroughly even at 220v. Propane I can see working.
This is amazing!! Have been waiting for this type of machine for my vacation home. How long does a tank of propane usually last on average 4 uses a day ballpark?
You should range from 1 to 3 months of use from one standard portable propane tank if you use it 4 times a day. Three months would be from the majority of flushes being liquid only. One month assumes most of your flushes are solids.
There is a "Rinse" button you can press whenever you wish before a cycle & it will clean it. You can also wipe it down with cleanser as a normal toilet.
Easy. 1st person uses it as normal. They flush as normal. 2nd person uses it right away. The burn cycle immediately stops. 2nd person finishes and flushes as normal. This can be done up to 6 times in a row before you need to let the TinyJohn catch up with the burn cycle.
@@ceefiveceefive That's what I was wondering, so you could use in the evenings and night and then start it once the sun rises and solar kicks in - saving your battery amps. I wish you had shown us how many watts / amps it was using during the process. Do you know? Thanks - great video.
I have a question. You said once the toilet starts the burning it takes about 50 minutes. What happens if someone else has to use the toilet and the burn process wasn't finished?
Well my "what about in the event of diarrhea" question was answered below, but what about battery, I see it's hooked up to its own battery. How much power does this thing need each flush?
Could we use electric heating element and air filter and recompense water again for reflush and garbage disposal for it would be safer. But this is ok too if you had gas supply available
Drdaveaz, Absolutely worth it for my needs. 1. I wanted to reduce/eliminate need for water which would greatly increase boondocking length and add less weight for a black tank. 2. Did NOT want to periodically deal with waste chores that a composting toilet would require. 3. Wanted something that was the most sanitary way to deal with human waste. This beats composting by a long shot. 4. Wanted to avoid the separating liquids from solids. To me that is extremely inconvenient and gross. 5. Can use any TP I desire without having to dispose of it separately as many composting toilets require. Incinerating is a win/win for my needs & wants.
@@ceefiveceefive I agree with every point you make here, Cari Beth. I wound up watching a video of a small vacation spot that uses a larger system to handle waste from multiple people (the guests). There are no municipal services, so this is perfect for self-sufficiency without polluting the environment. I'll bet this idea grows, and people like you who show how it's done help it along. Thanks!
But what about the hard part of waste? Doesnt look like this toilet spreading a clean vapor. For that we have to separate clean water first, get rid of it, and only then burn the waste itself and leave out the burnung gases (more or less harmles). Different level, I know. But otherwise... ventil tube has to end somewhere. Woudlnt it be a very brown area in the middle of very white snow, after a weak of using it at winter?
Class A Cari, the cycle time is a killer. 50 minutes just sucks. Yes, I understand that the burn tie is only about 20 minutes. Imagine if you will that someone is sick and has the trots. Do they have to weight 50 minutes before they can use the toilette again, let alone their traveling partner?
ABSOLUTE GARBAGE! Bought one several years ago and it has NEVER worked properly! After more than a year going back and forth with EcoJohn I finally got them to send me a "new" replacement toilet - that was late last summer. The new one worked for a month (keep in mind that during the first use, it melted the temp dial and the top of the base unit, which is EXACTLY what happened with the first unit). It's now June 2023, almost a year later and this POS has been unusable since late last summer. After @ a month of use, the exhaust fan started making a racket and the unit started over-heating on the urine cycle (contacted EcoJohn after the issue with the first use and they said to just use the urine cycle 2-3 times for waste until they could get things straightened out). So now it was over-heating on the urine cycle after a single attempt. Last fall EcoJohn said they'd send me more insulation, a new dial, and new firmware - that never happened or rather, I just got the insulation, a new exhaust fan, and temp dial 2 weeks ago! But NO FIRMWARE. Contacted them again and they finally sent the new firmware last week, which is a new circuit board - so I had to take the entire unit apart to replace the new circuit board. What a PITA because there are screws you need to remove but you can't because other parts of the toilet are in the way - like the entire burn unit! The toilet originally had a rinse option, but they eliminated that and then included a new "upper limit switch - with NO INSTRUCTIONS ON WHERE THE HELL IT GOES! Better yet, when I tried to remove the exhaust fan "something" fell into the fan itself. Turns out it was the catalytic converter! That's probably what was making the horrible noise in the exhaust fan and cause the "Exhaust fan" error message. So now I have to wait to get a new "gasket" for the exhaust fan (I actually don't believe there ever was a gasket there because the converter has a thin strand of wire wrapped through it that appears to have been what was keeping it in place and there was no "remains" of any gasket anywhere in the exhaust fan or the unit itself(I wish there was a way to add photos to these discussions)! Good for those who haven't had any issues, personally I wouldn't recommend one of these to vladimir putin . . . .
I enjoyed the video I was thinking about getting one of these guys but if it takes most of an hour to burn a cycle I think thats a lot of propane? Appreciate the video thanks for sharing
50 minutes Tom D. My apologies for any mispronunciations! The amount of propane used is not bad. The 50 minute burn cycle takes only 0.2 pounds of propane. That means one 20 pound tank gives you about 100 waste cycle flushes. It will give much more if you intermix urine flushes - I estimate an average of 150 total flushes on one 20 pound tank.
@@swatichauhan7912 They can use the toilet as normal. They would go and then restart the burn cycle. It can be used up to 6 times in a row before needing to wait till the burn cycle is finished.
What if your partner needs to use the loo! Do they have to wait 50 mins to go after you have been? Can you " flush" more than once before you incinerate?
This seems very expensive. Having to get wax paper all of the time, plus the energy used to incinerate the waste must be considerable. On top of that, I can see the toilet having to get cleaned frequently, especially if you have diarrhea and you're splashing sh*t all over the place, or you splash your urine when you pee. Yuck.
@@Nyctophora Yes, but if you have a traditional toilet with a strong stream of water, it mostly cleans the bowl. My problem with this toilet is the constant wax paper you have to change and the energy used to burn human waste. It must be considerable. I hear that a composting toilet is a good alternative to a water toilet.
In the next video, you will see what goes smoothly and what does not go as smoothly and how to fix it. I will demonstrate how to "use" it while it is burning too. We will keep answering questions folks still have. After that, the last video in this series will be the actual install into the RV which is very important to see for nomadic users.
I built a composting toilet for less than 50$ in parts. Currently I'm modifying a Separette Tiny to not completely incinerate but dehydrate enough to make clean-up less irksome.
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Great video! We have used our TinyJohn since spring of 2020 and we love it. We're now looking to install our second one in our RV. I love the fact that it runs on a 12V battery instead of drawing 2000W per cycle.
Incinolet is one brand, there’s two other companies as well!
Very well done, none of the other companies did a real demo. I have always thought about incinerator toilets but the massive amount of electricity turned me off from them. I didn't know they had gas models, I calculated the usage, it comes out to around $10.80 for two people eight flushes per day for thirty days, that's less than my rv clothes dryer. For no hassel, no tanks, no bagging your poop and trying to find a place dump it and always carring your urine around in a plastic jug to pour it out. Bottom line , what are you camping for? Always looking for a place to dump human waste or push a button and forget it. You don't run outside gathering sticks to make a fire to cook with every time you hungry, you just turn a knob and use gas, it's the same with this, you just push a button. For me $10 for thirty days, no fuss no muss, is a no brainer. My problem is I will need six for all of my rigs and boats😔
Good day to you sir
I was hoping to get some more elaboration on your cost calculations. Does this include the liners, gas and the power? I can't see that it would be much more expensive if there are any other costs I should add.
I'm redoing our new house which was bought as an off grid unit, but have some kinks to sort out. The septic for that matter would need to be completely replaced as well as all the plumbing unfortunately.
I was also wondering if you got to use a toilet as is demonstrated? My only concern is if it would be a bit "tacky" as a daily use unit in a home.
@@rohanndutoit4544 what’s really tacky is flushing 15k down the toilet on a septic tank as well as flushing more fresh water down the toilet in one flush than some nations get to drink in a day. These things look like a real new solution. Is it different absolutely. But the efficiency and cleanliness looks amazing.
Calculate it breaking all the time.
The paper seems kind of small that bowl would be a heck of a mess when I'm done with it.
Hi Cari Beth! I agree - I'd make my own liners, and I'd make them much bigger. I wonder how much propane is used in a 50-minute burn cycle. I would hope it's less than a small gas grill. Does the lid, or any part of the exterior get warm during burn? Wow, I can't believe there is literally NOTHING left in the bowl! Thanks for these videos. I'd like to thank your cats for their contribution to the effort. I see those cuties at the end! Hugs and kissies for them. Good job! See you next video.
Awww, thanks Ke Le! 0.2 pounds are used per waste (50 min) flush and 0.1 pounds are used per urine (25 min) flush.
A good average to figure is one twenty pound tank can last 1 person 150 assorted flushes. For me that last about 1.5 - 2 months.
Can you use a sheet of news paper?
@@ceefiveceefive thats actually quite a lot cheaper than the electric ones which cost about $1 per flush (liner and fuel) or about 80-85 cents in power per flush/burn.
F16 clear for takeoff runway 9 alpha ! Well done video and explanation Cari.
Much appreciated 280!
hello, can u please give us an update? some people say that it's not working, how has it been for you especially with maintenance?
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Hello I’m curious how long does the propane supply last or how frequently do you need more propane for the one you are using
How many times has it broke down since making this video?
The only thing I would have added to this photo is your voltage check on the battery with a multimeter - before the test and after. Great video. Very expensive incinerator toilet - my only problem with it.
So you have to burn it after each deposit, or can you make a few deposits before you burn it?
We installed our tinyjohn in our 5th wheel, and we are super excited. We now go boondocking and we don't have to worry about the black water tank. We are big fans of this potty, and ecojohn staff is great. They helped us answer several questions during the install. We ended up venting it out through the ceiling (we were looking at doing a side vent install first), how did you install the vent?
Is it really 50mins? What happens if you get shit onto the sides of the bowl?
@@pictlandpickers1171 you just clean it... you don't poop without the liner because poop is very caustic and it would stick to the metal which is kind of nasty and it would erode the metal, but you can just clean any splashes like normal.
Thank you for your very fun and to the point video. Imma big fan now. The fist thing I would've done, like you, after you lifted the lid, is touch to see if it was warm. You read my mind lady. Superb.
do you have to burn it every single time or can you accumulate a couple of sessions and burn once a day?
I wish mine worked like this. It has been a total headache in my van since I ordered it in August. And the customer service has been only rude and defensive. I feel like it's been a heartache and a bummer. It's a real treat to check the ash chamber after a couple days to find....soup.
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Is it necessary to incinerate after each use? Or could you say do 2-3 cycles and then incinerate? It seems like a like of time and resources for one use.
Hi Don. Tiny John recommends to flush after each use.
I would guess it has to do with the avoidance of pests and general cleanliness.
If it’s Yellow let it Mellow, if it’s Brown then Flush it Down, LOL! J/K, you should ALWAYS Flush after 1 uses the toilet. Hygiene Health is more important than saving electricity in this scenario. Plus, have you seen Myth Busters testing Bathrooms and toothbrushes that get Shit Particles on the bristles just by being in the same room as a dirty toilet? Shit Particles become airborne and land on everything! Just food for thought. Now think about all the people that wear Dentures..... 🤮
Thanks for making this video. Wow 50 min cycle is a deal breaker for sure........
Just to clarify, the Tiny John can be used again - up to 6 times during that 50 minutes.
What about vomit and diarrhea? How do you clean the toilet after this.
It is cleaned like any normal toilet. Take cleanser and wipe down the entire bowl area.
The Tiny John also has a "Rinse" flush that releases cleanser anytime you wish to use it.
Seems faster than the electric models. How many cycles would you get from a 25lb propane tank.
I heard it can be used even when it is burning the first one is that true? I’d hate to for someone to have to wait an hr to use the toilet again
Human stool is 75% water, I personally opted for a Separette Tiny - its a beautiful piece of equipment but fundamentally flawed.
High water retention means it accumulates much faster than I anticipated. In my humble opinion with some few modifications it could rival the TinyJohn - incorporated a dehydration chamber and some sort of agitator + drying agent and its a ''killer app''
I agree with you. It is easier with Tiny than an incinerating toilet.
This is the most amazing but disgusting yet professional demo review I have ever seen... I want one for camping!!! This plus Truck Camper = elimination of black water tank and gain of fresh water tank with minor work and a new water tank!
The Army needs to invest in these and stop making us Soldiers burn shit with a stick and kerosene. That’s some biohazard shit, no joke but that’s how it’s done. This would revolutionize Combat Arms!
I thought they used the really big one FOR the military? No?
Do we need the catalytic converter? Is it dealer installed? What was the deal with the green cable, we missed that
I'm having a hard time understanding if you are saying "15" minutes or "50" minutes. Could you clarify please?
50 minutes for the Waste/Solids flush burn time! My apologies for the confusion. Thank you for asking!
FOLLOW UP - so I just tried again and the PRESSURE SWITCH I mentioned IS IN FACT required to be "pushed in" in order for the unit to recognize that the tray IS INSERTED! HOWEVER, as I previously mentioned because of the way the switch is actually aligned in the unit the tray WOULD NEVER push that switch in - incredibly poor quality control.
This time I turned the unit off, pushed in the switch, turned the unit on again while holding the button in, pressed waste and the unit ignited (after dumping some urine on my hand).
So then I had to jimmy rig some way to keep the switch "pushed in". I took some metal from one of those screw type compression clamps and bent it to fit around the switch tight enough to keep the button pushed in. (Initially I was going to try some tape, but figured that because of the high temperature it wouldn't last.)
It's now working, but really POOR QUALITY CONTROL!!!!
We'll see how well this works . . .
Lol those liners won't be able to work with everybody have you seen what people's toilets look like or when people use the bathroom how easily someone can do a number two and explode the toilet above those liners.... Personally I think the liners should be able to go from the bottom and have full coverage up to where their seat is you should be able to put the liners tucked underneath the toilet seat and should be able to have enough space in room for everything and when you're finished lift up the seat and everything should drop in but you also have to make room to put toilet paper that's something that have not seen in any of these videos which depending on how much of a load you never know what anyone uses
Hi. Where is the final as video of the Eco John please?
I have it here on my channel.
@@ceefiveceefive Sorry wrong question to you. Will check out your amazing channel.
A new use for deli paper... : )
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propane tanks car batteries and cheap little tissues yeah all this stuff seems really efficient and not a hassle at all.
You answered all the questions I had brilliant
Are there solar toilets? 🤔
These can be used in a solar system.
How much propane does it take for 50 minutes please? How long foes a tank last? So it needs electricity to start even if propane model?
Yes, the propane model still needs DC (battery) electricity to run the exhaust fan.
For each waste (50 minute) flush, it uses 0.2 lbs of propane. For just a liquid flush, it uses 0.1 lbs of propane per flush.
Hope that thing hurries up I got to go again
@5:30 15 min. or 50 min. to do a full burn? Not ideal for a family of 4 or more? Can someone go while it’s burning?
I have a question. I understand why one would need to use the liner for taking a poop (to keep the sides from getting dirty, but I don't understand the purpose if you are going for a pee. Seems like a waste of wax paper.
I would
@@uouo5313 The directions say to use it for both. I'm thinking it may not be absolutely needed.
@@uouo5313 Thanks for your input!
You have some good thought-out ideas for the wax paper requirement.
I would add to your comments that the wax paper is needed especially for #2's because a "slippery containment means" is necessary to ensure everything drops into the burn chamber properly. Since the lid is closed when the waste drops, you cannot help facilitate the waste getting into the chamber. Thus having the slippery waxpaper "hammock" ensures it falls in without trouble.
Lol at Cinderella's "many years of development" reason to buy their liners! At least TinyJohn says outright you can make your own if you desire and do not have to buy theirs!
@@uouo5313 You shouldn't have too many problems a Cinderella. Cinderella has a good reputation and it is used in thousands of homes in Europe.
I have a study by a Sweedish consumer report agency that compared all known incinerating toilets (my TinyJohn was not included, they might be too new). It requested by Cinderella for what its worth and the agency claims no bias though.Cinderella did the best. It was very interesting.
It's fun to watch this video and my neighbor start BBQ exactly when she said it's start burning.
What happens if you “go” and then set the burn cycle and either you need to go again or someone else needs to go? You’d need a second toilet.
Actually no. If you need to go again, once you lift up the lid, the burn cycle stops. This allows you to go again. You can do this up to 6 times in a row. Then you push the appropriate button again and the burn cycle restarts!
I guess no one who uses an incinerator toilet use TP. Love y’alls minimalism
Incinerator shower and spare bed for guest. When your done partying. No one to clean up or kick out.
15 or 50min?
how much unit of electricity it consumes?
Does this need gas for burning? If 50mins for burning, probably will finish the gas very soon.
This version requires propane for the fuel to burn.
Other incinerating toilets have options of AC powered electric too.
Since I have since decided to go propane-less in my RV, I should have opted for one of the AC powered ones.
If you were to guess, how much propane use per cycle?
For the "waste" flush that burns for 50 minutes, it uses 0.2 lbs of propane. For the liquid or urine flush that burns for 25 minutes, it uses 0.1 lbs.
@@ceefiveceefive Thank you
the main question is how many ¨go´s¨ can we GO per burn cycle?. .5, 10, 15, 20, 30? pee vs poops too?
What happens if you don’t use the wax paper?
It will be a very dirty mess to constantly clean for solids. The wax paper holds everything in place & enables it to all easily slide down into the trap below to be incinerated.
@@ceefiveceefive
Sorry I meant to say for liquids?
Also what if someone has to use the restroom after you? For example for a multi family home do you think that would work?
I would NOT buy a TinyJohn, based on the fact - I DID!
$3,500+ for something that only has factory support is extremely problematic.
I finally set my unit up and everything seemed fine. The display read "READY', but when I pushed the "Waste" button, the display turned to "NO TRAY". However, the TRAY IS INSTALLED! I took the bottom plate off to get at the tray (a really poor design as you have to unscrew FOUR screws to gain access). I unlatched the tray and reinserted it, to no avail - still read "NO TRAY".
I took the tray out completely and inside the back of the unit there's a pressure switch. I pressed that in to see if that's what triggered the "NO TRAY" indication - no dice. I reinserted the tray several times but the "NO TRAY" display is till on. If in fact that is a pressure switch and is supposed to alert the unit the tray is inserted, IT WILL NEVER WORK since the the switch is aligned such that the actual button that would be pushed in is on the side of the switch AWAY FROM the inserted tray itself.
So now I have to wait until Monday to try to get in touch with TinyJohn to see what the H is going on . . . .
BUYER BEWARE!
How long does a tank last? Say all flushes were waste how many flushes could you get?
Thank you CAC
What if another person needs to go but it is incinerating? They must wait and hold it?
Seems quite safe and efficient...
Jim, yes. When you have it properly set up with ventillation and made sure of no leaks, it is very safe.
This will be the only appliance I will install in the RV that runs on propane. I'll make certain to have CO2 detectors installed as well.
What model year is that one
Good to hear there's a catalytic converter to further cut down on odor, seeing how the more popular these units get, the more they'll be used in recreational vehicles & thus campgrounds... which could make for an unpleasant experiance if the folks parked next to you, fire up their toilet as you're sitting down to dinner in the great out doors =0 On a side note, would love to see a company maybe come up with an efficient electric unit that could run on solar and batteries, that wouldn't tax/rundown the batteries too much.
Not possible.
The energy involved is not even practical for a 220v power source.
Solar would not have the capacity to run this.
This is only practical power source, propane or some other burning fuel.
@@GeeTrieste - Definitely wishful thinking that these would work off anything but combustibles.
@@__WJK__ I speak from experience; many years ago I had an Incinolet electric version, it never quite got enough punch to burn off the waste thoroughly even at 220v. Propane I can see working.
No smoke from burning ? where is smoke being exhausted ?
There is an exhaust outlet in the back of it. You attach double-walled exhaust piping to vent it outside.
what if someone needs to use it right after a flush cycle?
This is amazing!! Have been waiting for this type of machine for my vacation home. How long does a tank of propane usually last on average 4 uses a day ballpark?
You should range from 1 to 3 months of use from one standard portable propane tank if you use it 4 times a day. Three months would be from the majority of flushes being liquid only. One month assumes most of your flushes are solids.
Is this pretty self cleaning?
There is a "Rinse" button you can press whenever you wish before a cycle & it will clean it. You can also wipe it down with cleanser as a normal toilet.
@@ceefiveceefive I’m curious looks like it’s been a year or so? Would you mind letting us know how it’s been working out?
That has to use a ton of propane.
What if you’ve started a burn and you’ve got to go again?
I wonder too!
So what if two people need to use it.
Easy. 1st person uses it as normal. They flush as normal. 2nd person uses it right away. The burn cycle immediately stops. 2nd person finishes and flushes as normal. This can be done up to 6 times in a row before you need to let the TinyJohn catch up with the burn cycle.
@@ceefiveceefive Thanks.
Do you have to wait till it cool down before you can use it again?
You mean to tell me that this thing can’t roast a turd in less than 50 minutes?
15 or 50 mins?
very good we required Price
$3,385
Yes, they are expensive!
50 minutes? Wow! I thought these things incinerate in like 1 minute. What happens If you need to again or if some one is dying to go after you???
It can be used 6 times in a row back to back if needed. You would still flush as normal after each time.
just incin once or twice a day.... not every single time... be smart about it
@@ceefiveceefive That's what I was wondering, so you could use in the evenings and night and then start it once the sun rises and solar kicks in - saving your battery amps. I wish you had shown us how many watts / amps it was using during the process. Do you know? Thanks - great video.
I have a question. You said once the toilet starts the burning it takes about 50 minutes. What happens if someone else has to use the toilet and the burn process wasn't finished?
6:37
Well my "what about in the event of diarrhea" question was answered below, but what about battery, I see it's hooked up to its own battery. How much power does this thing need each flush?
This version uses very little power, just enough to keep the vent fan & controls going.
Unfortunately thats a lot of power usage for.someone offgrid
Could we use electric heating element and air filter and recompense water again for reflush and garbage disposal for it would be safer. But this is ok too if you had gas supply available
To clarify, are you asking about making your own waste incinerator toilet?
Only issue is the Dam paper bags.. they are Very fiddly and try getting guests to do this :/ but other than that it's cool
you can have me over and I'll use it, I promise
Great video Cari. All the questions I had were answered in the comments. Do you still feel it is worth the cost?
Drdaveaz,
Absolutely worth it for my needs.
1. I wanted to reduce/eliminate need for water which would greatly increase boondocking length and add less weight for a black tank.
2. Did NOT want to periodically deal with waste chores that a composting toilet would require.
3. Wanted something that was the most sanitary way to deal with human waste. This beats composting by a long shot.
4. Wanted to avoid the separating liquids from solids. To me that is extremely inconvenient and gross.
5. Can use any TP I desire without having to dispose of it separately as many composting toilets require.
Incinerating is a win/win for my needs & wants.
@@ceefiveceefive I agree with every point you make here, Cari Beth. I wound up watching a video of a small vacation spot that uses a larger system to handle waste from multiple people (the guests). There are no municipal services, so this is perfect for self-sufficiency without polluting the environment. I'll bet this idea grows, and people like you who show how it's done help it along. Thanks!
You forgot to 'wipe'... the extra paper may help ;)
This is a thing I never knew existed and I'm super intrigued.
But what about the hard part of waste? Doesnt look like this toilet spreading a clean vapor. For that we have to separate clean water first, get rid of it, and only then burn the waste itself and leave out the burnung gases (more or less harmles). Different level, I know. But otherwise... ventil tube has to end somewhere. Woudlnt it be a very brown area in the middle of very white snow, after a weak of using it at winter?
You need to exhaust it towards the sky. The instructions recommend straight up and out or straight up and curved up.
@@ceefiveceefive So there wont be any signs of using it on snow and around?
@@vodyaoriginal8543 The signs of smoke should be minimal.
🌼 What sweet kitties!!! Cool potty!!!
Thanks Shanna! The kitties love to all pile on top of me when I'm in the recliner. 😺😺😺😺😺
U mean I got to wait 50 minutes to use it again ?
how long does a Propane bottle last for one person use? Never mind, I saw the answer in a previous comment. :)
Was that 15 or 50 minutes for it to finish incinerate?
50 minutes for the waste flush.
@@ceefiveceefive that's too much propane gas uses I think ...per waste...oh well . It's not really earth friendly
Class A Cari, the cycle time is a killer. 50 minutes just sucks. Yes, I understand that the burn tie is only about 20 minutes. Imagine if you will that someone is sick and has the trots. Do they have to weight 50 minutes before they can use the toilette again, let alone their traveling partner?
John,
You can continue to use it for both solids and liquid waste when it is running.
So if there’s multiple people in your family and they all have to use the toilet, they have to wait an hour in between each use
No, it can be used 6 times in a row before it needs to burn it all.
50 or 15 minutes?
The way you say it sounds identical.
After looking at 5 other one i finally found someone who deminstrated how it works
awesome vid
ABSOLUTE GARBAGE! Bought one several years ago and it has NEVER worked properly! After more than a year going back and forth with EcoJohn I finally got them to send me a "new" replacement toilet - that was late last summer. The new one worked for a month (keep in mind that during the first use, it melted the temp dial and the top of the base unit, which is EXACTLY what happened with the first unit). It's now June 2023, almost a year later and this POS has been unusable since late last summer. After @ a month of use, the exhaust fan started making a racket and the unit started over-heating on the urine cycle (contacted EcoJohn after the issue with the first use and they said to just use the urine cycle 2-3 times for waste until they could get things straightened out). So now it was over-heating on the urine cycle after a single attempt. Last fall EcoJohn said they'd send me more insulation, a new dial, and new firmware - that never happened or rather, I just got the insulation, a new exhaust fan, and temp dial 2 weeks ago! But NO FIRMWARE. Contacted them again and they finally sent the new firmware last week, which is a new circuit board - so I had to take the entire unit apart to replace the new circuit board. What a PITA because there are screws you need to remove but you can't because other parts of the toilet are in the way - like the entire burn unit! The toilet originally had a rinse option, but they eliminated that and then included a new "upper limit switch - with NO INSTRUCTIONS ON WHERE THE HELL IT GOES!
Better yet, when I tried to remove the exhaust fan "something" fell into the fan itself. Turns out it was the catalytic converter! That's probably what was making the horrible noise in the exhaust fan and cause the "Exhaust fan" error message. So now I have to wait to get a new "gasket" for the exhaust fan (I actually don't believe there ever was a gasket there because the converter has a thin strand of wire wrapped through it that appears to have been what was keeping it in place and there was no "remains" of any gasket anywhere in the exhaust fan or the unit itself(I wish there was a way to add photos to these discussions)!
Good for those who haven't had any issues, personally I wouldn't recommend one of these to vladimir putin . . . .
So sorry your experience was bad.
I can’t tell whether you’re saying it takes 15 minutes or 50 minutes to run a cycle?
I enjoyed the video I was thinking about getting one of these guys but if it takes most of an hour to burn a cycle I think thats a lot of propane? Appreciate the video thanks for sharing
50 minutes Tom D. My apologies for any mispronunciations!
The amount of propane used is not bad. The 50 minute burn cycle takes only 0.2 pounds of propane. That means one 20 pound tank gives you about 100 waste cycle flushes. It will give much more if you intermix urine flushes - I estimate an average of 150 total flushes on one 20 pound tank.
Class A Cari It’s not you I have difficulty with sorting certain sounds. Thanks for the explanations
If it takes 50 minutes then what about the other family members ... When will they go to toilet
@@swatichauhan7912 They can use the toilet as normal. They would go and then restart the burn cycle. It can be used up to 6 times in a row before needing to wait till the burn cycle is finished.
Also need a lemon tree 😊
Because you know what’s going to happen.
Nice machine, need 3 if you have kids.
Y u touch it?
The TinyJohn was sanitized & clean during the demonstration.
so 50 minutes to burn 5 hours to dump the ashes - meaning the toilet is out of commission for 6 hours after use - impractical?
It seems to be simple and simple things are usually expensive. Maybe I messed the part on the cost but I bet it's like 400.00 bucks right?
Incinolet toilets start at $2300.
This one will run you abour $3500
Who said Cats don't donate feces. This video proves cats are philanthropists.
I’ll stick to my black tank. This looks like way more work. Lol
Yes, cost is the number one reason why folks are hesitant to get an incinerating toilet.
What if your partner needs to use the loo!
Do they have to wait 50 mins to go after you have been? Can you
" flush" more than once before you incinerate?
Yes, you can use it up to 6 times in a row while it is in use.
This seems very expensive. Having to get wax paper all of the time, plus the energy used to incinerate the waste must be considerable. On top of that, I can see the toilet having to get cleaned frequently, especially if you have diarrhea and you're splashing sh*t all over the place, or you splash your urine when you pee. Yuck.
Well, to be fair, all toilets need to be cleaned, especially with the conditions you described, no?
@@Nyctophora Yes, but if you have a traditional toilet with a strong stream of water, it mostly cleans the bowl. My problem with this toilet is the constant wax paper you have to change and the energy used to burn human waste. It must be considerable. I hear that a composting toilet is a good alternative to a water toilet.
Water always simulates liquid very well.
Mine is still not working. I've been to the factory 3 times. Sucks sucks sucks
No courtesy flushing here!
So this uses propane to incinerate, which would be better for RV's as most are pretty limited on electrical power.
This version does, yes. Other manufacturers like Incinolet and Cinderella do make all electric incinerating toilets as well.
Success!!
In the next video, you will see what goes smoothly and what does not go as smoothly and how to fix it. I will demonstrate how to "use" it while it is burning too. We will keep answering questions folks still have. After that, the last video in this series will be the actual install into the RV which is very important to see for nomadic users.
Amazing
great video.,
Id rather go with composting. Id hate to defecate on myself because Im left waiting for 15 min with food poisoning.
50 minutes of burning??? So if my girlfriend have to go to bathroom after me, she have to wait 1 hour??
No. You can use it up to 6 times after the burn cycle started.
That would be a great product if it didn’t cost $3500
Yes, the cost is the largest negative for incinerating toilets.
I built a composting toilet for less than 50$ in parts. Currently I'm modifying a Separette Tiny to not completely incinerate but dehydrate enough to make clean-up less irksome.
Simulate Liquid?
Water is a liquid...
$3500 bucks. Gimme a break
Ummm there's no tissue to simulate wiping...🤢
Also too many options. I would rather a one button and done option