BrainScratch: What Happened to Magdalena Zuk?
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2017
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Footage of Magda on the hotel floor:
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Magda's first visit to the hospital:
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Magda video calls Markus:
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Magda's second visit (and fight) at the hospital:
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The room she was in, and the window she fell from:
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www.newsweek.pl/polska/spolecz...
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dude the biggest clue in here was her phone... she was "NEVER" given the Liberty to use her own phone. that alone prove a lot. somebody is trying to control the situation.
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She texted her friends and family in the days leading up to her death.
My heart breaks for her... I can't imagine how scared out of her mind she was, alone and surrounded by these strange men, in a country so different from her culture... Poor girl.
Why did she go tho?
where women r treated very poorly & not respected by men. she was clearly murdered or escaping from ppl who did serious harm to her.
I'm Polish and right now the investigators are checking if Magda's boyfriend and some other people weren't connected to a different myserious suicide of a young woman, Karolina Kaczorowska. They were all her friends, as well as Magda's. They reopened her closed case! Strange, definitely strange.
Poland should NUKE Egypt .
WAIT WHAT??!!
Any news now?
There is some new information about that, came out just yesterday. I don't know if you're aware, but in the video her bf speaks to her, there is a conversation happening in the background. It's in Egyptian and it has now been translated. The guy talks to a man he calls Captain Khaled. It is obvious the speaker has a lot of respect to him, he calls him boss, and asks him if he'll have the privilege to finally meet him. There's also a sentence being said, that "the party will be incomplete"...
As a comment to this, a polish guy who used to dive a lot in this part of Egipt, claims he knows who Captain Khaled is. Apparently he's a very rich guy who rules the entire area. He pays off the police, hotel staff and even hospitals. The area is apparently explicitly for rich sheiks and the tourism there is only an addition to provide fun for those sheiks coming there to "have fun". The diver continues explaining, that they often get professional escorts but they much more prefer to "have fun" with unaware European girls who get drugged and gang raped at their parties. If this is true, there is no chance the guilty will pay. The final of this case will most likely be that she went mad and killed herself.
Magda was a sporty type, her body quickly detoxicated and probably remembered most of what had happened to her. This is not the first time a "suicide" like this happens in Egypt. There have been more identical cases where young women jumped out of hospital windows. I heard of a german and italian girl, and almost an identical thing happened to a young polish girl there last year. It seems this is how they deal with girls who realise what's going and cause problems. What is interesting, is that it's only young women who take their own life in Egypt and not men or older people. This case stinks as fuk. The entire Poland is shocked and it's mostly Internet people who have actually discovered a lot in this case. Also, Poland believes her bf knows the truth.
2007.runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Captain_Khaled
INVISIBLEpussy are there any updates? I believe Magdas Body should be back in Poland by now?
Has there been any updates on this since?
Any updates pls??
@@Hi-kq1vi LMAOOOOOOOOO im doing slayer now whilst watching these vids
That poor girl was clearly sexually assaulted and either being trafficked or going to be trafficked. The most obvious thing about it, is that she was a normal healthy woman who supposedly just went crazy in Egypt. And for no reason? People develop mental disorders from abuse and/or trauma. So even if she was displaying symptoms while in Egypt, it means she suffered some form of abuse and/or trauma.
People slipping women drugs so they can have sex with them against their will, that happens in every club and bar in every city and country of the world.
She also doesn't attack anyone in the hospital. A man touched her, and she stands up and begins yelling at the man who touched her. She doesn't slap him, she doesn't' punch him, she just pushes him away after he touched her and appears to be yelling at him specifically. Note that the other man obscuring people's view of her, she doesn't lash out at him, she specifically lashes out at the guy who leans down and touches her, and I guarantee you that man is Mahmoud K.
She very clearly did not like that one specific person touching her. She didn't attack anyone, she just lashed out at a man who touched her. She didn't attack nurses, or any doctors; she just lashed out at a man who touched her. If you're a female, and a man sexually assaulted you, would you or would you not lash out at that man if he tried to touch you?
Human trafficking seems obvious, but there's also something to be said for an individual person sexually assaulting her and being willing to do anything to keep from getting caught.
In any case, that Mahmoud K is very clearly the culprit, he either sexually assaulted her himself and tried to make her look crazy so nobody would believe her, or there was an effort to sell her. A single white woman in nations like that is extremely vulnerable and an easy target.
She probably wasn't allowed to use her cell phone or they took it from her, and only allowed to her to speak to her boyfriend in a way they could control. Mahmoud keeps saying "This isn't working" during that phone call. What isn't working? It's a phone call between a woman and her boyfriend, that for some reason has to happen through his control. She even says "M" and nods in his direction, and earlier in the conversation she uses her left hand to point to someone standing to her right.
When she says "They do everything here" it's because she's in shock at being sexually assaulted and threatened. When she said "I won't come back from here" is because she was threatened.
During the phone call with her boyfriend she repeatedly says "They're here I can't say". It means she can't tell her boyfriend what they did to her or threatened her with, because they're standing there recording her and would have hurt her if she'd told on them.
It's like when kidnappers record a video of their victim claiming they're okay; the kidnappers always hold the camera/phone and do the recording.
And why would a tour guide be around her all day every day? Have you ever gone on vacation? The tour guide is around you while on a tour; they're not surrounding you all day and every day you're on vacation. And even if she had symptoms of mental disorder, how or why would a tour guide care? How would it be either the responsibility or interest of a tour guide, what symptoms someone they gave a tour to was experiencing?
Mahmoud K did it to her, he saw an easy target and did whatever scummy shit he could to her.
And what did the Coroner's report say? Surely Egypt has coroners would have done toxicology tests to find out if there was any kind of a drug in her system, and any drug in her body would mean she was drugged because she didn't have a history of mental disorder and obviously wouldn't have voluntarily taken drugs. And what does the coroner say the official cause of death is?
And Egyptian authorities will pass it off as a suicide because a white woman being sexually assaulted and murdered is really bad for tourism. Even if she was just sexually assaulted by one person, or if she was being trafficked, that hotel, that city and even that country could lose tourism money.
They managed to keep her in Egypt and prevented her from catching a flight back to Poland. And when they knew a friend of her's would be there the next day, she supposedly jumped out of a window. She'd have been home safe in Poland, but they managed to keep her from taking a flight.
And jumping out of a second floor window wouldn't kill anyone. Literally any human being could jump or fall out of a window from 20 feet, and only in extremely rare cases would it kill anyone. If she'd jumped out of that window she'd have had some broken bones, bruises, maybe a concussion. Nobody would die from such a small fall. She was already dead when she was thrown out of the window by a sex offender and/or human trafficker.
I think that because she was a white woman travelling alone that she was an easy target for some real scumbags.
She wasn't.
Note that she cowered in the robe on the floor and other video on the bed. She was naked under the robe. And she had defence mode activ. She tried to show that she cant take rape anymore and tried to protect her body so no more clothes taking off by other men
i agree,she was date drugged and raped ,she was beautiful white girl alone,the perfect victim to sex starved egyptian bastrds.
First of all im from Poland so im sorry for my english. Im so happy that Magda's case is getting more and more popular-because of the truth is about to be revealed.
There are some more things to tell about. We have the acces to the reccordings of cameras located outside and inside the second hotel where she was taken to. (The one where Magda died)
And the video is probably fake... She died on saturday and the video is from... Thursday and the time is completly different. The clock located In the hall is covered by a yellow mark. Magda was supposed to be unconscious when she got there but she moves her legs, arms and head. She also was supposed to broke her leg in 3 places and she moves that leg. Her hair colour is different on the video and she has a big tattoo on her arm that appeared from nowhere. The doctors arent in hurry, its like they were taking a walk. Its so strange for us and nobody from Poland believes that she killed herself. If you need more informations i can help you with finding them and translating them. I hope we will find the truth one day.
And the last thing is that one of her 'friends' is conntected with 2 very popular cases where one gril Iwona Wieczorek was kidnapped 7 years ago and never found. The other one is that a popular model Karolina Kaczorowska killed herself In a hotel. Kamil was her boyfriend.
Tere Tkacz Wow, this case is very strange. I agree withyou, I don't think this is a suicide.
Sorry, there is one mistake-i was writing about cameras In the second hospital ofc. Sorry :)
The case of Iwona Wieczorek was on Brain scratch searchlight.
Oh wow, there's a connection with Iwona Wieczorek? That's huge - I've been following that one for a couple of years now! No way this is suicide.
neuralmute Right? But I'm not sure if we will ever find the truth about all of these girls. I've been obsessed with Iwona too.
This is so sad she genuinely looked so scared ☹️
Shan Morton looking scared does not exclude psychosis.
It's because a terrifying video with her in main role is being shown to her while the phone talk.
Hi, I am Polish and I can add few things. This wasn't full recording. Before in front of Magda's room somebody took Magda's bag from her and looked inside, she tried to run from this people or hospital. After that is all action in corridor. At the night Magda arrived in the hotel she went to the bar in hotel. Two hotel workers ask Magda if they can join. She was there for 2 hours. German couple saw her in bad state but she had only one drink. Those two workers took Magda somewhere. When this German couple finished spending time in hotel bar they saw those two workers enter Magda's room but when they knock nobody answer. Same night Magda called Her boyfriend saying someone is in her room. On this long recording that Marcus made Magda is saying really quiet that she was raped. Video was enhanced and you can hear that. I'm really happy that You talk about this. Not just because of Magda but all women traveling alone with kids or even friends and husband's should be careful. Sorry for my English. It's not my native language.
Your English is perfect
I’d never have known if you didn’t mention it!!! Great job!
You’re completely fluent 👍🏻
Don't be sorry your english is good.👍😘
I thought your English was great too! She looks traumatised so makes sense she’d been raped!! Cover up by Egypt definitely!!!!!
There's something about watching CCTV and hearing phone calls of a person who has hours to live. It's really chilling. I have female friends who have travelled the globe and Egypt is high on the list of countries single females need to be extra vigilant in.
Personally, I think this is not a suicide; and the body language of the two men in the hospital stinks to high heaven. You mention the guy doing some kind of weird ass yoga pose but also before that when the check shirt guy is bending over Magdalena under the window. As the hospital staff come around the corner he steps back and IMO takes up a guilty "it wasn't me" pose. Who took the photo of her lying in her bed? Where was her phone? She looks drugged and I hope the autopsy can shed more light on what drugs were in her body. Glucose drip? Isn't that given for dehydration? The injuries too. Is it possible she jumped to try to get to the ledge hence the injuries only being on the left side of her body but then again how could she jump if she was tied to the bed. Tied to the bed with towels!! Seriously? There are so many questions.
Thanks John for highlighting a case that would NEVER come across my radar. Have a good weekend.
Perhaps it's all lost in translation, but it feels like these two men are hovering over her not to protect her but to keep her from saying too much to the hospital staff. Was she being drugged in an effort to rape her and/or extort money from her boyfriend, and reacted to the drugs in a way that wasn't expected?
I was watching those men who weren't wearing scrubs very carefully too. From my own experiences with psych patients and all the people who care for them, those men were behaving like they had absolutely 0 understanding of how do handle someone in crisis. It's like handling a wounded animal. If you make any sudden move that could be read as aggression, they'll lash out in pain. These guys body language was very proprietary; full of dominance and possessive gestures toward her. I wish like hell we knew what was being said in that hallway, and by whom...
As for those photos, she could be unconscious, or close to it, or drugged out of her tree. With her face covered, she could have on full clown makeup and we wouldn't know. But those men look far too casual about the situation. I think Maxine has a good point about the behaviour of the men from the hotel, and the fact that solo female travellers are cautioned to take extra care in Egypt. I know that as a small woman, it's not a country I'd ever visit alone. Those men drugged her and did something to her at the hotel. Was she raped or targeted for trafficking? Who knows? But I have a feeling that her waking up, causing a fuss, and actually getting on a phone wasn't part of their plan, whatever it was. No most likely, if they'd had their way, she'd have simply disappeared, and this messy death is a result of a sloppy attempt to cover their asses.
Oh, and about using towels as restraints - it's fairly commonly done when medical restraints aren't avaliable, because they're too thick and soft for a patient to hurt themselves with.
That's exactly the feeling I'm getting from the situation. I think that her becoming semi-lucid and getting to a phone was what threw a wrench into whatever was going on there.
“Who took the photo of her lying in her bed”
This. I want to know this.
Why wasn't she taken to the Polish embassy? If she was having a breakdown it might have been easier for her to talk to a countryman who speaks Polish.
Nancy Benefiel that's the main issue. The embassy did not help her. First thing what they said is that they are too far away from the place where is she, then they said that they are unable to do anything... her parents will sue the embassy
WOW! that's so fucked up. Poor girl. It explains why her boyfriend kept asking her and recording it for evidence to prove she's in danger or hurted so embassy would do something
Po co pierdzielisz takie rzeczy na forum cudzoziemcom? Ta sprawa cała śmierdzi, nie wiadomo jak wyglądała sprawa z ambasadą. Możesz liczyć na pomoc ambasady PL, jeśli jej nie uzyskasz to wyjątek od reguły i śmierdząca sprawa. Ty zaś posługujesz się pustym stereotypem.
@Katarzyna Pilarczyk, Tak tylko ja napisałem tamtemu paziowi @xxx, żeby nie pisał takich rzeczy o Polakach na forum jakimś cudzoziemcom, którzy i tak mają go w dupie. Tam z tą ambasadą w Egipcie na bank jest bardzo nie tak (jak zresztą z tym całym zapyziałym krajem i regionem). Nie oznacza to jednak, że we wszystkich naszych ambasadach tak jest, no i są Polacy, którzy zawsze pomogą rodakowi.
Because if you ring a Polish embassy no one gives a crap. So many cases like this unfortunately.
The part about her phone taking pictures of her while being turned off chills me...
Great coverage once again of this story!
I am following this case from the beginning. Yes, I am Polish, but I do not live in Poland at the moment. The most teryfing part of her conversation with boyfriend was when she says: I will not come back from here.. And her boyfriend answering calmly without hesitation : yes, you will come back. He was not surprise, she said that? Just this small litlle part bothered me for some reason. I know we are all different, we react different. But I thought, my reaction would be: what are you talking about? why would you not come back? While he just saying calmly: You will come back. I understand he was probably calm her dawn but... I am working in psychiatric settings. I have degree in psychology and forensic psychology. For me, this girl is not mentally ill. She is scared and traumatised. She didn't commited suicide. She was trying to escape. From whom, or from what? We may never find out. This is just my opinion, based only on the footages I've seen. I might be totally wrong. Just my experience is telling me what I've said above.
nerusia181 I agree with you. Her boyfriend did not seem nearly as distressed by her condition as he should have. I think he had something to do with it.
I know it’s been a while but that really tripped me up. I know everyone “reacts differently” but when someone is upset or agitated and says something ominous like that the natural response is to ask “Why? What’s going on? What do you mean you can’t/won’t come back?” As humans we hate uncertainty, so it makes sense and aligns with uncertainty reduction theory, that when in a situation like this we would be significantly more likely to inquire than to reassure. We want to know what’s going on, and saying something like “You’re coming home” implies he is calm and knows what’s going on in the situation. It points to his involvement. A lot of the dialogue between her and her boyfriend seems unnatural.
Yes totalllllt agreed
Yea good point that.
That video call was nothing but a set up so he had an alibi to look concerned.
@@frankboff1260 100%
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if everyone in that footage/people in that hospital were involved in sex trafficking. What a great front... keep drugging someone to make it seem like they've gone crazy, drug them and strap them to your hospital bed, then claim they "went missing" the next day.
What I don't get though, is why wouldn't they have just gone on with the sex trafficking, made her disappear, rather than letting everyone see her and motel and make text and calls and videos?
I think this IS foul play, but I don't know about the sex trafficking theory.
If it was sex trafficking why did they end up throwing her out the window?
@@Zeppelin616 Perhaps to just get rid of her because she was creating too much attention. If she went missing at this point the whole world would be looking for her. Just a theory though!
@@justme-cr2zc IMO I think the family had questions because of the messages from that guy's phone. They would've sent help much sooner had they not been in contact with her. Just a thought!
Yeah I dont think a sex trafficking place wants people or detectives looking everywhere they may find more girls like her
It is so much time already, and I still wish the truth will be found. For me this is crazy, that there is no power that could take all the important data from Egypt. Due to this situation I will never go to Egypt or reccommend anyone to go there. This is shameful for their country.
The fact that the boyfriend uses the phrase “so I can use this as evidence” (paraphrasing) is very unsettling to me. He says the word “evidence” as though he is fully certain a crime is occurring or had occurred. That’s just odd to me that he would make it a point to state that. It doesn’t sound normal for someone getting a call like that to have that train of thought but who knows. I get a very bad feeling he was in on it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he truly did deny somebody who tried to buy the tickets because he was using the attempt at selling them as a cover.
Yeah I think he was in on it, the way he covered a lot of the screen so it couldn't be recorded implies he's hiding something. If you really were recording a live conversation you wouldn't cover parts of the screen with your hand. He was actually playing back parts of a pre-edited conversation.
"He says the word “evidence” as though he is fully certain a crime is occurring or had occurred."
I noticed that too. And at the same time he pretends that he doesn't understand what's going on. Plus his mood doesn't suit the situation. It doesn't have to mean something, stress can express itself in different ways. But he talks to her like a child, does not seem particularly concerned and mostly ignores the obvious: It looks that she cannot speak openly in the presence of these people. The dialogue at 9:36 for example. How can he not get the idea that she may not be able to speak freely?!
And still she gave signs with her fingers, moved her lips and body - or even whispered into the phone. And he's like: "Angel, angel, don't be scared, tell me what's going on." - while she exactly does that! Telling him what is going on. But he doesn't really respond to her words. His behavior is at least very weird and unusual. Maybe she even felt that something may be wrong with her boyfriend, but otherwise had no lifeline to hold on to... And even if this Mahmoud has nothing to do with it - how can her friend not immediately become suspicious of the people around her, if she acts like THAT? How. And why can I hear laughter in the background in the original video? I mean wtf! Whats so funny guys?
I hope that one day the truth will reveal itself and justice will be done.
He uses the word evidence like hes concerned a crime is being committed. Then at the end of the conversation he speaks to the culprits how he would speak to his friends.
This phone call was staged to create an alibi for markus.
Yeah and why didn’t he ask the guy to give her the phone so he could talk to her privately? I find that odd. Surely if you suspected something was going on you would be suspicious of that guy - I know I would be.
he had to talk with M before so he can prepare to record videocall. And this record is also made by different person than her boyfriend.
Also he pushed her 40x times with "say it say it say it". He knows and tries to push er to say it to see if she does.
I think Mr. M told him she can live if she shuts her mouth and they arranged this trap. Trying to see if she says that they did bad things to here even tho she knows she will get killed.
But when she said "M" as a hint, they were all aware that she is trying to trick and fuck them all after escaping to home country and will say everything.
Thats why the other guy in the end says "that she is a fool".
They saw that she is trying to sell them out.
hi.I am Polish.thank you very much for this video.two more things - theories i have found in the net
1) she could have transfered drugs in her tummy in condoms and one of them could brake.
on top of the drugs g iven by someone else nad injuries it could be final for her
2) 17.01.2016 died Polish model Karolina Kaczorowska. She was coming as well from Wroclaw. was very succesful.did International career. for her 30th birthday she has invited her friends to a hotel in Karpacz (Polish popular mountain resort) .They Had the party in this hotel and left the next Day while she stayed there for another night. when her friends wanted to say goodbye to her, her
bf (a friend of Marcus who was bf of Magdalena) said she is sleeping. cctv does not show any man entering and leaving the room during the whole day. if you watch the conversation with Marcus, he gets a call from Złoty (nickname of Karolinas bf).Karolina apparently hanged herself with a wire of hair straighter. Of course only police believes this story. At midnight the Security Worker from the hotel Was hearing how Her dog is barking like crazy.unfortunately he did not enter the room.the cleaners have found her body in the morning. the same time from her flat in Wroclaw someone took 500 000 pln (100 000 pounds) and jewelery. she seemed to know Marcus. A month after she died Marcus starter to meet Magda. Karolina told before her sister she is scared of her New neighbours.they Control her nad she fearS for the Life of her parents.she broke contact to her parents. these guys knew both girls and These girls both died within 14 months.
I've watched a lot of videos on a lot of different cases, but for some reason this one is absolutely terrifying and disturbing
I think it's because it shows it can happen to anyone. Also, the video footage of her, I felt sheer terror on her behalf.
Same.
I find it strange that unrelated persons bring in a person in crisis and the staff does not step in and take over once she has been delivered. Instead, the staff defer to these unrelated persons.
That's what I thought too
Eventually the girl was drugged and treated by hospital staff and that is on record so whatever. As for improvements over there to the way they deal with things though how is it that a girl that was suicidal / crazed at least had a room where windows could be opened and she could actually jump out of them? That seems ridiculous.
Hopefully her boyfriend wasn’t selling her into something. The ticket situation is awfully fishy to me.
Well, SHE bought the tickets, as a surprise trip for his birthday. Friends of mine have surprised each other in this way too...and it probably didn't occur to her that his passport could be expired...! So, until here it seems normal...then, he tries to get the passport fixed, fails. Tries to sell the tickets, but fails. She then decides she doesn't want the money to go to waste, but fly alone. It's not uncommon until here, to me, but I definitely think it's dangerous to go alone to Egypt, as a woman. Gangrape is called "Taharrusch" there, a big joke for the men involved, who think that a Western woman travelling alone is asking for SOMETHING....but the victim is likely to end up in shock, panic, and trauma. I could imagine that this is what happened, hence her tears and tension, her fetal position on the ground, she was robably drugged and abducted onto a yacht from where her phone was located after a visit to a club in the night, where rich Arabs commonly hang out....who knows. You're right, it seems fishy,...
@@AnnaLee33 but why did she fly to egypt alone tho? For what purpose?
Also on the video call the men with magdelena seem to know marcus
It's so funny. Idiot lunatics on the internet think everybody gets sex trafficked all the time. I don't get why people are so drawn to this assumption. There's always some sex-crazed lunatic going "she must have been TRAFFICKED! Happens all the time!!"
@@kingjinder5421 How TF would you know that she is "spot on"? She literally invented an entire narrative.
No he’s not involved.
Having been to Egypt several times I can definitely say there is a dark sexual under belly to its tourist resorts. The Egyptian men see western white females as easy prey and are relentless in there pursuit of them. Even my daughter who was 11 at the time was followed and approached by Egyptian men well into middle age. Nearly all staff I came into contact with at the resorts and airports are male. And there is a lot of young blonde Russian sex workers there catering for wealthy Egyptian and Western men. The country itself is beautiful and I'm glad I visited but I would never go alone, or even in a female only group.
Miss Mia Culpa agreed.
"There is a dark sexual underbelly to its tourist resorts" That hits it.
I went to Hurghada for diving with two friends. As already said before - the country is wonderful and the Egyptian culture is rich. But my female companions were constantly harassed, which was extremely difficult as I am actually an introverted person. Basically, the girls couldn't do anything outside of the hotel complex without me (which helped, but only a little). It was exhausting and stupid. A man across the street touched his crotch in front of the girls. Guys were shouting after us all the time: "Habibi!", "I want to marry you.", "Where are you from?!" or: "You have nice ladies!!". Although it sounds like the girls were mostly bombed with compliments... there was something in this behavior that automatically put me on the alert. It's hard to describe. I put it this way: What sounds like fun on the outside was very serious on the inside. And I can well imagine how such a mood could theoretically evolve into a "Taharrush" under the wrong circumstances.
However, there was definitely an invisible line that was not crossed. No verbal insults, no touching, no following over longer distances.
But I think that was just because there was a so-called "tourist police" everywhere and the hotels are usually very strict with their personal staff if they go too far. Which I suspect happens very often. Even the taxi drivers constantly honk their horns after women (although there are prohibition signs for that everywhere..). When we got home it was a little tricky for me to explain, because if you haven't experienced it yourself, it might be considered as exaggerated. I have great respect for other cultures and other people's customs. But it is difficult not to judge such behavior.
Who waits to give someone a vacation gift until the day they are supposed to leave? This is definitely an inside job
Right? who told police she borrowed money for the tickets? are we sure he didn't buy them and its odd she booked a stay in a resort where Markus's friend was a resident. super sketchy
funny thing. in original video with calling Magda to her boyfriend (Markus) on 6:32-6:41 if u turn the volume up and put headphones whispering can be heard. person who was filming conversation speaks to Markus (very quiet) "Markus, nie wyciągaj od niej tego, to nas obciąża" which can be translated "Markus, dont make her talk about this, it charges (incriminate) us". for me this whole situation is a setup up, and her boyfriend with his friend "sold" her, she supposed to be escort girl but something goes wrong drugged, raped, murdered.
Can u gimme the link?
Æ JacK -I know Georgia Marie has a video of the FaceTime conversation between Magdalena and Marcus her boyfriend with the guy Maumaud (I think that’s his name, not sure but it’s all in the video). If that’s what you’re looking for?
I think you may be close to what is the truth. I don't trust the hospital or the place she was staying at. Those places are linked, hospital provides the drugs to make her a submissive sex slave while the hotel is the place the transaction occurs. I think she wanted out and that man talking to markus is also in on it. this is what I think.
Coolmax11111 I’m glad you clarified that. I always wondered why she wasn’t allowed privacy during that conversation. She was clearly terrified of speaking even to her boyfriend and common sense it was bc she didn’t want someone around her to hear.
I agree the boyfriend targeted her, he only knew her 4 months and her boyfriend was a known drug dealer. The Czech Republic/ Poland are corrupt and hubs for trafficking. No man who loved their girlfriend would let her travel alone. He is from a well to do family connected and a dirtbag who sold her to his connections. Her boyfriend knew the tour guide
Hey John! During Markus' call with Magda, you can clearly hear a guy talking in Egyptian in the background. I can't hear much with the Polish guy talking so loudly over the Egyptian guy, but I listened to it multiple times and here's what I could hear:
"She's standing in front of me. I'm telling you, she's standing in front of me. I'm standing (something inaudible.) We'll see, if so, her boyfriend's talking to her and calming her down and he's telling her, "Be quiet, girl, I'm coming tomorrow." She looks like she's going to do it again and ask for (something inaudible) as if she thinks she's going to do something or anything. (A giggle) OK, boss. Well, boss (the Polish guy talks over him here) if God's willing. Fine, boss, fine, I'm coming for you. Excuse me, I'll deal with it, please. Ok, captain Khaled. Mahmoud! What's up, Mahmoud, boy? (Inaudible -- the Polish guy is talking over him here) I'm telling you, in the end (something audible.)"
The Egyptian guy's talking decreases from this point onward and the only time he talks again he sounds like he's either on the phone or with another person. He's also not audible at all. In the bit that I translated though he's DEFINITELY talking to someone on the phone--more accurately, translating Magdalena's conversation to someone else.
Also, at 1:19 in the video call you can hear him say captain Khaled. I listened and listened to this bit for a very long time because I was couldn't tell whether it was captain Khaled or captain Maged -- but you could hear the "kh" sound, which is very different and it can be very prominent at times.
Towards the end of Magdalena's call, his phone seems to ring again and he goes on talking. The majority of the stuff I can hear are "alright" and "fine."
I think this is a trafficking case for sure.
Her laying on the bed, hiding in her robe with men all around is not normal and looks like she was just s-abused.
They probably tried to get her sedated in the hospital by saying she was crazy.
She was terrified of these men.
or she in the robe lying on the floor in fron of the room door thats not normal. She was naked under the rob and raped and tried to cower and go into defence mode. By cowering she tried to show " i cant anymore dont take my clotches off and rape me anymore"
The boyfriend’s ex girlfriend also died the same way. He sold her. Trafficking 101
When she pulls back from the camera after pointing to the letter M, someone responding to her in Polish with fireign accent "magda i thought you are going to talk only about hospital"
I didnt notice this
Daria Laskowska i heard a man talking to her after she says M
A co jest w tym wszystkim najlepsze??? Że Arab mówi po polsku!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Magda nie mogła nic powiedzieć bo on by zrozumiał co ona mówi. Ogladałam to nagranie z milion razu i po pierwsze ten jej chłopak jest mega podejrzany...ciagle tylko jedno w kółko powtarzał "co się dzieje" "powiedz". Widział że nie może mówić... W dodatku jak zadawał pytanie z innej strony to ta osoba która nagrywała tą rozmowę uciszala go....
a po drugie, zauważyliście że Magda rusza ciągle rękami? Wg mnie nie może mówić ale próbuje gestami pokazać co się dzieje.
It´s so terrible :(. She obviously wanted to speak but couldnt because the arabian dude understood all... she was trapped the entire time
I'm Egyptian and I wanna help as much as I can to solve or have any lead in this case. So, I watched the call between Magda and her boyfriend and it freaked me out, not because of what she or he were saying, but because of what the Egyptian guy standing right next to her was saying, I translated as much as I heard and I hope it can help:
-at the beginning of the call, he was talking to someone named Khaled and he was telling him that she was crying since! He didn't say since what. He was talking about her in a very sarcastic way which is weird for a travel agent, then he told him that he "let" her talk to her boyfriend but that he doubts that he's gonna do anything cause "his de*k is so small" I'm quoting. Then in the middle of the video when she said M he told to someone I guess next to him that he thinks that she's retarded.
Hope this would help, if there's anything in Arabic you need to translate please tell me :)
Dear Aya, thanks a lot for your translation and your empathy. You have done a great job. This case is far from being solved. In your opinion, was there anything more they said in
Arabic? Something you just could not hear or understand? Each word is crucial here. Maybe if you could receive a link of this recording with noise reduction, one of a better quality, and use earphones/headphones, you could hear more? If you read it, please respond. Best regards, Daria.
Daria Larsson no need to thank me, I can only imagine what that poor girl went through and I want to help as much as I can, yes I'm sure you heard that he talked so much in the background, i translated what I thought is important but maybe you need to know the rest, if there's a better version please let me know and I will literally translate it, but please contact on my Facebook account, it will be much better.
Thank you so much, Aya. My friend who has a fb account was supposed to contact you and send you the best link. We think that there are more important statements in this recording , and hope you can translate them as exactly as you possible. You are a wondeful, empathetic person.
Dear Aya, I hope we can stay in touch. There are still good people like you. Best regards
How do you know it was him?
This is insane! How is this not more known?! This case needs to be put out everywhere! So scary!
there's been several stories like this on line specifically in Egypt
Mahatma Kane Jeeves Wouldn't surprise me.
Omg this is heartbreaking !! A polish friend who knew Magda is devastated. This is why I am here, to understand. Eye-opening. Thank you for doing this. The actions in the corridor speaks volumes. That guy was clearly trying to hide her. I pray the family get answers.
those two men seems suspicious. its like she just wanted to get away from them but couldnt.
I agree, Zane....She wanted to get away from them and the hospital staff were not taking her away from them.
Men like that only see women like her on the internet. Thats why i know they are to blame.
I had a comment - this is more with regard to the Elisa Lam case, but technically it can be applied to any case... If somebody has a mental illness / history of mental illness, it does not make them any less susceptible to being a victim of homicide... On the contrary, it would make them all the more vulnerable to homicide. Just because a person has a mental illness, or is experiencing a psychological break, or is having side effects from medication, does NOT mean that they cannot be murdered all the same. A positive correlation does not determine cause and effect, and it is not fair for law enforcement to assume such things. Really, to me this just shows an overall lack of education regarding mental illness, with respect to the general worldwide population, and in many ways, it's very sad :(
Very good point and well stated zoroaster112.
I am polish living in uk :-) I am giving you my honor. Thank you for your work and analise Magdalen Zuk case.
Marcus has a german ID, its very important information, becouse german members can go to egypt only with the ID, they doesnt need passport, moreover magdalena wasnt in egypt for the first time, she was there couple times, so paris syndrome wasnt a problem
Piter123k thats true
Piter123k how do you know Marcus has German ID?
I was thinking about that Paris syndrome, I've never heard of such a thing, but i was wondering if they have found with people who have experienced this "syndrome' , that they all have a histories of mental health issues? My thought here doesn't really apply to this very sad tragedy..and I'm not sure why anyone would try to make this fit with this situation anyways..so very sad I think for some reason this poor beautiful woman was murdered.
Yeah, I was curious about the same thing. It seems likely that this Paris Syndrome would happen in conjunction with other mental issues, it would seem odd to me to spring up out of no where. But who knows, sometimes reality is stranger than fiction, right?
We never got a prove that he has a valid German ID
Very thorough and detailed video, John. I've never heard of this case but you presented a lot of good points. Poor Magdalena... I'm looking forward to a BrainScratch update once the autopsy results are released. She deserves justice.
You haven't heard of it because it just happened. The autopsy hasn't even been performed yet.
Yvonne I'm aware of that but others have heard of this case. No need to be snarky.
"Suicide" in Egypt but homicide in Poland? Sketchy.. This is a very troubling case. So many questions. Drug-induced psychosis? What hospital doesn't know how to treat its patients? I feel people were controlling her.. She seemed neurotic & afraid for her life. I think she was taken advantage of. What if she jumped out of the window because she wanted to escape her situation? :( The autopsy results will be telling.
Carbs Are Happiness do you imagine it that the they did not check her blood when she came to the hospital first time because they were too busy with rescuing her life - that's what the doctor said .. Egyptian reality
seems fishy..she doesn't seem to be suffering a life threatening illness so "saving her life first" is no excuse. A blood test could save your life by telling them whats in you.
That's the impression I got initially from the video, that she jumped to trying to escape :( heartbreaking.
marcus.is.her,boyfriend he sold her after 3months relationship, (he is gay and make a hair )he.has 2 citizenships german which open trip egypt without visa
its some theory that they give her work proposition ,( pole dance )
after ariival to egypt in hotel (3corners)some germans hear the noice in her room, 1day resident makmoud khairy give her narcotics to the water and dont pull alone,,to.hurgada go from the prague friend of marcus-kamil (his past girlfiend died after party with him suspiicious) who meet with m.k.in hurgada and when he visit her .she was died
The autopsy showed she had nothing but regular drugs in her system to treat a situation like this. Also the idea that she could even jump out of a window when being held in a hospital definitely means Egypt needs to look long and hard how they deal with patients like this.
I think her BF was in on it. He had been in trouble before for trafficking according to web sleuths. She was drugged, and why wouldn't they let her use her own phone. She was terrified that's why she jumped out of the window. Who let's their GF go to Egypt alone what could go wrong! There would be no way I'd be comfortable unless she was with a group.
Grey Wolfs!!! Related with Polish goverment especially Platforma Obywatelska but other also are giving up this case OIL OIL OIL. The Grey Club's regulars are member of political party. Markus friend "Złoty" was also boyfriend of another girl Karolina Kaczorowska who drugged "commited suicide". I think this whole relationship was from beginning set up. It's their Modus Operandi. They search for a girl on FB or other social network service (or Arabic indicates this girl) than flirt, and relationship to get her trust. And than sell her.
If I was laying in my hotel bed in that little robe, I would NOT let hotel staff in. LET ALONE in a foreign country, or when I thought I had been drugged. Something very fishy is going on.
she was drugged and against muslim rapist men,she had no chance,
She had it right from beginning. She was given something.
I agree I have this feeling she was drugged early at the resort. While she was drinking alot and acting strange
Currently binge watching your back catalogues! Loving all of your videos and the way you present them! Also living crime after crime x
John- you're a much needed light in a world filled with shadows!
so thankful for your work =)
That's very sweet of you to say.. thank you Katie.
I am Polish and I am very info this case from the begging. If you will like to come back to Magda’s case in future, feel free to contact me and I will translate any information from Polish to English for you. Thank you for this video! Regards :-)
As soon as I heard her say the letter "M," something just went off in my brain. I doubt this has anything to do with it, but I noticed that practically all the major players in this case have names starting with M...
Magda, Markus, Maciej, Mahmoud, hell even the location this happened is called Marsa Alam.
I don't know what this means; probably nothing. But man, it just scratches right up in my brain.
Just something weird I noticed.
EDIT: Just got to the part where John himself comments on this; whoops; leaving comment here for posterity I suppose.
OMG. The fear that you can tell she is in must have been crippling. To me I think it's almost out of the question that she had such an extreme mental breakdown without a prior history, and it happens to occur the day she goes on holiday to a strange country by herself? That is too much of a coincidence. Unless something EXTREMELY traumatic happened to her to trigger it. I'm very interested to see what the autopsy finds. Rest in peace Magdalena. I pray she will get justice.
Hey, I thought I'd give you some more details that are well known here in Poland-
she actually whispers 'they raped me' really quietly, somwhere around 6 minute mark in the skype conversation video.. and before she says they're playing tricks she also whispers 'they murder people here'
there are many suspicious things involving her boyfriend and his friends too, unfortunetly.. you can also hear them whispering to eachother through the whole thing- things like 'dont push her too hard, she will say too much'.
I think its also interesting that both Magda and Maciej were trying to sell tome items like clothes, futniture and a car that they asked exactly 1000$ for. its like they needed money quick. ventually Magda's parents gave her the money but she asked them to keep it a secret. she didnt tell them where or when she is going.
also: at the end of the video Mahmoud says 'fuck off' to Markus.. plus they're all friends on facebook too.. very suspicious... anyways Im in Poland so if you want some info or translations let me know. thank you for bringing attention to this case.
Yeh thats all very odd that theyre friends on Facebook. Poor girl i hope she gets justice one day
I tried to listen closely when she is saying "they raped me" but didnt hear it?
And I am actually wondering what kind of travel agency employee is spending so much time with a single tourist. Even giving her his phone, and actually Magdalena is not using her own phone. Why? Other strange thing is during the phone call between Magdalena and her boyfriend. She says "M" and goes backwards, it is so visible she changes her usual movement when she said that. She even looked to the left where I think was this guy Mahmoud. I dont believe the theory about Magdalena's boyfriend guilty about something, but who knows. Not sure whether Mahmoud is guilty too, but he is main suspect from what ive seen and red.
The comments in the background of her boyfriend and his friend says "don't push her to hard, or she won't say to much". There's nothing fushy about that. I would say the same thing, some people shut down more if you push them to hard.
I think you're reading into what the nurse did with the blinds, a little too much. I work in a hospital and when we have to deal with combative patients, we shut the doors and sometimes the blinds/shades. We do it, so other patients aren't frightened or disturbed. It also helps the combative patients feel safe. I do think the guy doing the weird posses, was definitely trying to obstruct the camera thought!
Indeed, she might have feared the woman might try to hang herself in the cords perhaps/maybe she had OCD? With a camera filiming everything it would make zero difference anyway. Don't really see the point of obstructing the camera-they have already been seen on it & nothing is happening, the medical staff are facing/talking to her at the time. Maybe it was just a nervous pose, the other guy she is going for looks somewhat exasperated at her behaviour.
Still cannot see if they were rapists/sex traffickers why they would be taking her round to multiple hospitals where they would be observed by staff & video-after this one refused to take her & I believe either before or after they took her to another one who refused, they then took her to another one who accepted her. These are highly unusual behaviours for abductors/rapists/traffickers who want nothing to tie them to the victim-they would likely to drop her off near the hospital or on a street somewhere.Their behaviour is more like people that are actually trying to help her get medical assistance & stop her doing something stupid like running out into a road. Not to say they didn't spike her drink & it backfired. Autopsy would show vaginal/anal trauma & likely semen if she had been raped, we will have to wait for that to get a better picture.
Yes, definitely a privacy thing for the patient. At least in the U.S. If you work anywhere in the health care field, you know there are about 20 steps to follow, with some of what I consider fairly basic interactions with patients! There's still so much about this, that's just not right. 😕😔
True. Patient privacy usually trumps. Also, people can no longer be restrained the way they used to. Using sheets or towels to give patent some semblance of security is often all that can be done. By US standards anyway...
And glucose, they probably just meant fluids, often containing glucose and other nutrients to see if that helps the patient.
I just think she was trying to get the cord unwrapped from her hand
My two cents on a small point, I dont think she or the nurse in the video intentionally moved the curtain on the window. It looks like the chord got in the way during the scuffle. Totally fascinating case, thanks again John.
i've been gone for a year. I've got a years worth of your videos to binge. another great video. everything has improved
~loyal fan
Your videos are so thorough and well done. You pick up on things that others wouldn't notice (like the man in the hallway standing to block the camera). This poor girl...I hope she gets justice.
Great work!!! I'm from Poland and we are all deeply shocked by this story. I'm afraid, we will never know the truth.
So many mistakes, her phone and luggage was taken by Maciej, Polish procecutor came late to Egypt, the autopsy made so late, blood transfusion.
Many chances to misslead the investigation.
As a woman there is no way in hell I'd go to any foreign county alone. There is no doubt in my mind that this woman had very bad things happen to her before her death. This is so very sad.
Reminds me of Lars Mittank. And so many others really! For a long time I have noticed similar circumstances in missing persons & mysterious death cases, where the person seems to have strange behavior or a mental break before their disappearance and/or death. It only deepens the mystery when you take these coincidences into account!
Also like Shannon Gilbert. And Kayelyn Louder. Just a couple more examples..
Yes, I agree, I also think, if I knew someone or something was trying to kill me, I'd have a mental break myself.
Tabatha Jo I never commented on the Lars case or Elisa case but there are "legal highs" in the UK that were recently banned such as 4mmc and N-Bome 25i which is as trippy as lsd but doesn't appear on drug test and you can OD easily. Polish people are known for there love of amphetamines also, a strong psychosis inducing drugs.
steven johnstone yea, I thought the same thing...possibly reaction to amphetamines.
Tabatha Jo Yes! and what many are calling mental breaks, to me...is just normal emotions God gave us to survive and live in our world. When I see this beautiful woman...I see fear, anger, hurt, distrust. All normal in a abnormal situation! But I for sure think this woman had still a sound mind...just trying to survive a very bad situation! Just my opinion...this is so sad!
If she did jump, it was a last ditch attempt to escape. When you are scared for your life, it's amazing what you will do. I was in a horrible captive situation where it was life or death and at one point, I ran for the balcony and was going to jump for a chance, but I was grabbed when I got to the door and ripped off the door handle. You're super human from adrenaline. I have doubts she went to Egypt willingly like that too... very likely the boyfriend sold her. Hospitals are kinda a shady place in Egypt from my experience anyway, and I've never been to that part of Egypt but I find it rather odd she was at a hospital in the first place. You don't need prescriptions for medications unless it's a med that'll mess you up and even then it's easy to find a pharmacist to buy from w out a script. Hospitals just aren't used like they are in the western world.
This sounds a lot like a Hostel type of theme. It's almost as if the doctors had something to do with it. For some reason I'm leading towards like, a possible human trafficking/slavery situation. Perhaps she hurt herself in an attempt to escape the thought of being stuck into some sort of trafficking situation. Perhaps she was being too difficult for her captors to maintain discreetly, and so they killed her. I dont know, very sketchy situation. I think the main thing here in hindsight, is that if you're a woman, do not travel alone in places where women in particular are held in a very low status and are treated more as slaves than as human beings. Be careful out there ladies, and gentlemen.
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Ive never been out of the country so I don't know, but is it normal for travel agents to be this involved? Like using their own cell phones to call family? It seems weird. Something just feels out of place. I hope her family can get closure soon
only if its a girl and she is good looking
Taylor Gilmour I think she did not have a roaming plan on her phone that's why she was using somebody's else phone
Taylor Gilmour it's because of the country she is in, in Muslim countries you need a male guardian or escort.
In Saudia Arabia yes, but in Egypt you don't need a male escort. And I don't think it is in any way normal that a travel agent was able to film her in her bed.
@Lily S But this video-conversation was made through FaceTime, so they probably used hotel's wifi, it wasn't a regular phone call.
From Reddit-- other tourists at the hotel claim that she was acting weird from the moment she came into the hotel. She was talking to people she didn't know and telling them personal stuff about her. On the second day, she was going around the hotel and even stripped her clothes at one time.
If someone said it on reddit it must be true. Corrupt as fcuk on there
Hey, thank You for talking about Magda, this is really important thing for our country (Poland), and I'm sure it's important for all tourists and travelers too!
I think her boyfriend and the hotel escort guy were both in on it. It was arranged. She also knew it wouldn't end well so she chose to take her own life instead of letting them hurt her again.
Of course the videocall was staged. They tried to find out if she will scream for help and sell them out or if she will shut her mouth. Thats why our marcus is trying 40x times "say it say it" to prove Mr M. that she can live.
But when she said "M" they all aware and break up the call
im crying poor woman what did they do to you angel :(((
She was trying to tell us but couldn't, even that useless boyfriend, he happy to allow his woman to travel alone to some strange country. She managed to call him and trying to tell him something happening and he is so nonchalant!! Pisses me off
Thank you for covering this. As her countryman im very sad :(
Thank you for stating the date at the beginning the episode; much appreciated John. ☺
As a young woman, if I was scared out of my mind, I would have wanted women around me, that's what came to mind at 15:44 when the poor girl was surrounded by (circled within) a group of 4 men.
These scumbags only see women like this on porn sites. They are dodgy as fcuk. They are to blame.
@@markbtelevision it’s not just men. Get your crap straight. It can be women too! Do t male bash!
So? She was having an episode. Don’t assume anything. She was never even raped. Duhhh
Why is Marcus pushing her to say what specifically happened to her when she Clearly cannot reveal that due to her company???
Mirage Mirage personally I think he had something to do with it. He really didn’t seem as distressed about her condition as he should have been.
I was JUST checking to see if I missed your upload this morning and it popped up as I was checking! John, your videos are great and I look forward to them every morning! You do awesome work!!! Keep it up!
Thanks so much Amber.
I LOVE your channel. keep up the good work!!!!
Hi John, first of all thank for all of your hard work. I have been around for a while and never really commented since I am not from the US and could only offer my sympathy in most of the cases here but still I am loyal follower and this case I can actually give some (hopefully) useful input.
I speak both Polish and Arabic so I did a little search on the internet for articles in Atabic on the case. Now from experience it is extremely hard to find reliable sources in Arabic in general and I agree regarding the article you read having biased information. I actually found an article from an Egyptian website eluding to the fact that it might be a cover up to protect the slowly recovering tourist flow in the area.
The article actually compares Magdalena's case to that of Giulio Regeni. I did not have time to read up on his case but seems worth going into.
This article as opposed to other three I read also metioned that the nurse said it didn't look like Magdalena was trying to jump to commit suicide rather to escape!
I think if she was in fact drugged she might not have been aware of the hight or just misjudged how long down it was. More will probably be clear once the autopsy report is done. I will try to keep track of this case.
Again thank you for the great work.
Thanks for the info Elisa A!
Elisa A I know its been 4 years , but do you know what the autopsy Report was saying, is it released?
Hi there, I follow this case and I don't know if someone already mentioned this, but there is a guy in Poland that analysed a specific part of the video (on request of his wife) where Magda talks with her boyfriend. The guy has a lamp amplifier, and is able to hear the complete soundpath without background noises. Her boyfriend asks her multiple times "what happened?" she answered "I've been raped" just want to share this with you guys.
I forgot to mention and another fact during the call with her boyfriend. On the background you can clearly hear a conversation in Arabic. Someone translated this also to polish. The guy clearly says "I'm done with this, when she does not stop she will get a dick" may be someone here knows Arabic and could confirm the conversation on the background
You have an excellent show. Very respectful and informative.
Just found you ..love your work !!! Thank you for all u do x
John's a legend man, struggling not to carry on watching more of his back catalogue. Been averaging one to three every other day lol
When I found him, I binge watched for days. John's the best at what he does.
neuralmute Yeah he's great!! Some of his fans are the most arrogant people around though. You need to have an open minded and view every possible avenue, I guess some people don't have the intellect to view things from other people's point of view.
great channel though and most fans are very helpful.
It is such a crying shame what happened to this beautiful woman. She is definitelt in total dispair. She had some sort of mental breakdown, however, what we don't know is what and who's responsible for this poor girl's awful demise. I wish the Polish authorities get to the bottom of this tragedy and punish the culprits responsible.
Hi John,Wow this case is wild....tyvm for the video...good job
Another great coverage on a case, thank you John! I had never heard of Paris Syndrome... very interesting. Like you I believe there was something bigger at play here. I really hope there are some updates soon, thank you!
Thank you John for covering this. There is one very disturbing fact about her video phone conversation with her boyfriend - at one point she very quietly says "I have been raped". One has to listen very carefully to catch it, but it's there. Many youtubers were also able to catch these words. She was smart, she said it in such a way apparently to hide the message. It is much quieter than what the boyfriend is repeating all the time.
Guys, as you could hear Markus tried to sell that trip. But there are 3 witnesses who say (they also showed screen shots to the police) that they were trying to buy this trip and Markus replied that the trip was already sold.
There are some specultion about selling it-Could it be an alibi? She was probably supposed to go there alone from the VERY beggining
I agree no man would let a woman they love travel alone. He only knew her for four months
100% it was always the plan for her to go alone. My only question is why did she agree to it?
Thanks for publicizing this because it is important to us...
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Something must have happened while she was vacationing in Egypt because she did not want for those men to get close to her. It looks like she wanted to leave the hospital without those men. They look very controlling. She ran to the hallway and sat on the floor under the window. These people arrived and she scoots over to the opposite sight. It looks like it to me that she was going toward the window. She is screaming because she was stopped. She wanted to leave the hospital and they would not let her leave. That is how I understand it with her body language. If she was stripping her clothes at the airport, maybe she was drugged.
As an Egyptian.. this makes me so mad. I wish I was there to help her or find out what was going on. I totally agree with most of the comments that a woman shouldn't be travelling by herself especially in countries where you cannot count on the LE. Heck, I wouldn't even travel to Europe by myself. I wish the truth comes out about what exactly happened to her and why she was so scared. Reminds me of the "Lars Mittank" story a lot.
Edit: I was wondering why she never tried seeking help from other tourists over there if she was facing trouble. Also why only call her bf and not text her family or tell them what exactly is going on. I mean she did tell him to come and take her while that Mahmoud guy was there so why not tell him happened exactly. 😔
1) her phone was taken off her
2) these pigs were constantly surrounding her like flys on sh-t
Потому что она туда поехала явно не только за отдыхом, но и заработать телом. Очень многие девушки так промышляют. Это целая сеть, потому они боятся афишировать правду
This is so interesting. Please keep us updated when updates come out
I watched all of your videos about Elisa Lam, you are one of my favourite youtubers. I'm from Poland. Thank you so much for this video.
300km trip to the next hospital. 300km?! Thats around 200 miles. They must have driven for 5 hours.
I know this is an older video, but I have several things. In the 2nd hospital video, I think the man is trying to shield her from view, but is probably doing so as to not allow her behavior to alarm other patients or visitors to the hospital. Also the nurse does not intentionally lower the blinds but detaches the cord that had become wrapped around Magdalena's arm and in pulling on it (similar to what occurred when Magda did so) the blinds lower further. Final thing, murder in polish is morderstwo (starts with the letter m), maybe she saw something that either she believed was a murder or felt that they were trying to murder her. Not saying they weren't trying to harm her (for all I know they were). A bit of a stretch, but possible.
wow John. I think you've outdone yourself on this one. fabulous job of breaking this down!
So happy to find something about this case in English that’s longer than 8-11 minutes.... thanks
Did you do a follow up on this case when the official autopsy report was released? Were there drugs in her system? Did they even test for date rape drugs?
I feel so grateful that when I had a psychotic episode I was in the company of my close family and they were able to get help for me immediately. This poor girl.
Audrey Delacour I ended up running around my city thinking people wanted to kill me after a couple days on speed. scary scary time, I was confident I saw people chasing me and everything when in hindsight it can't have been true. So glad I got off drugs for good.
Good for you Steven 👍🏼 you should be glad!! I had to divorce my husband because he refused to stop using Adderall. After a couple of days using and without sleep he would get very paranoid and delusional, even hallucinating. Then when no one believed him (a.k.a. tried to help) he'd attempt suicide and end up in the hospital. We went through this almost a dozen times in a few years. Stimulant psychosis... It's real and it's a heartbreaking scenario. Be very proud of yourself and stay strong!!!
XX Slendermom XX thank you slendermom! Yeah I hopped on and off buses, ended up getting arrested after taking cover in a church telling the pastor to look out the window as there was a dude with a bat. yeah safe to say I got arrested. I never fully recovered, I could no longer smoke weed either. Years of being a daily stoner, after psychosis seven half a puff and I'd be insanely paranoid. Twitchy...scary ! Sorry to hear that story, I hope you are happy now. X
steven johnstone you are not alone. Cannot smoke weed either, or even exceed consumption of coffee, otherwise with high likelihood I become psychotic 😂 I believe that though there are lots of speculations around Magda's death. It is almost certain she had been experiencing a psychotic episode. The question remains: with a trigger in the form of drugs, or maybe simply as a result of stress? Flying/traveling is a stress factor .... so the story behind her death can be very simple, and all the speculations will show how creative we all human beings can be 🤔
She had no episode
Thank you for researching and telling this story so well.
It's really hard to find videos about her, that are in english. This case is really scary somehow and I'm afraid it will never be solved completely...
john,u continuously do an amazing job,keep it up
Great work, but one important thing is missing. She says that she has to go back to work. That is a huge clue I think.
I rather heard "go back to work" referring to Markus (I'm Polish)
@@nataliasamek6670 you are correct
Great respect for the interest of our citizen. I cordially greet and thank you Mr.LordanARTS on behalf of Poles R.I.P Madziu
I appreciate that Elli K.
I really enjoy the way this man narrates this story.
thanks for covering it! greetings from a Polish subscriber :)!
im polish and want you to have a look on another case of young model death in january 2016 in Karpacz,Karolina Kaczorkowska!!!Marcus and his frend ( one who go to egipt to rescue Magda ) was a boyfrend of Karolina,and they was with her in the night when she ""die" !!
Hi, Anna. Are there any news on both cases- Magda and Karolina?
There is so many unanswered questions in Magda's death, what I found really weird is the medical report from the Port Ghalib hospital, the portion of it pertaining to her "jump" is written in extremely poor English.
Dont trust anything the media, government, police or hospital staff or report says. Thats the first rule.
The covid scam should have opened up the eyes to everyone on the planet that show you the lengths these c - nts will go to to lie.
Use your own brain and you will get closer to the truth.
Thank you so much for this. I am form Poland and this case is huge right now in Poland. There are so many questions unanswered.
Also in the video with her boyfrend she says very quietly that she was raped.
Kasia K some people hear that she is saying that she was raped some people not. It's still unclear. Her boyfriend said yesterday in the news that she never had said anything like that...
John, This one has been with me all year! Do we have any updates???
Your work is the best.
🤜🏼🤛🏽
I speak polish and recently watch via youtube the TVN24 news where they give view on Magda's days in Egypt and it starts on 25.04.17 when she fly from Katowice at 20:20 to Hurgard where she arrive at midnight from there she had to go to Mar Salam around 280 km to her hotel Three Corners , she check in 26.04.17 . Other tourist where saying she made the impression of frightened off somebody or something ,others said she was aroused or under the influence of intoxicants . On 27.04.17 somebody find her huddled in the open door of hotel room. We don't know who was recording the video of her in room and outside room . Then somebody give her suggestions to go to hospital but she don't agree , form this point we don't have any information what look the rest of her day . On 28.04.17 she is taken to hospital in Port Ghalib about 80 km from hotel , no blood test are taking, visual checking only . Magdalena don't agree to stay in hospital and she is released on her own request . Then she is taken by Mahamed K and other two man from hospital straight to airport in Hurgard (around 200 km from Port Ghalib ) in attempt to send her back to Poland ,when they arrive to airport Magda according to airport officer act aggressively , she is denied to go on board of a plane . Mahamed takes her back to hotel in Mar Salam (280 km from airport)from where video call to her boyfriend Marcus is taking place , Magda appear to be scared , she is saying to Marcus that ''They'' have tricks and doing every thing to her , and tells him she is not coming back from there , she is scared , cant talk freely. After video call is ended she is going to hotel where she is denied to stay there any longer as appear to them to be danger to other hotel guest , so Mahamed is taking her to other hotels but same situation -she is denied , so now we have 29.04.17 Mahamed decide to take her back to hospital in Port Ghalib again . Before going in she is talking to someone over a mobile phone (CCTV cameras showing her walking unsteadily around ,outside hospital , she don't appear angry or violent, in her surroundings we can see three man ) after phone call she is going in ,again cctv shows her walking unsteadily but no signs of anger, behind two men follow her , doctor says she is not in good shape and adds that this hospital don't deal with mental health issues . Next what we know about Magdalena's faith is the last recordings from cctv where we can see she is trying to escape but catch by two man Mahamed and his frend , we are guessing, and taking by force to her hospital room , after midnight she supposedly jumps out of the window , after 2 hours she is taken to Hurgard hospital (200 km) where she died . What do you thing about this version of events to me it have some holes or incompatibility with other people's versions, she was in road for almost her whole stay in Egypt .really weird.
Thank you so much for the Video. I am polish and I have followed this case already for more than a week.. its really suspicious what happened to her
This case is surely somehow connected to serious abuse of that woman and to international criminal underworld.Magdas so called boyfriend or his buddies were according some sources connected via social networks/facebook to local arabian resident/tour guide Mahmud or others...seriously odd if thats the case.It does not change anything even if that girl was there willingly doing any sort of "services" for arabs - she was in strong shock and in fear of her life very clearly.Stating the fact that she will not come back from there is serious claim and i do not believe any bit at all any accusations that she was mentally ill...She was suffering trauma that escalated into tragedy ...if she really jumps that window is question that will probably never be answered without any particular evidence.If she jumped than there must have been real hell going on in that room ,othervise i cant imagine healthy woman even traumatised a lot to do do that...fact she was fighting her way out proves she wanted to live...if she would be suicidal she would not fight her way out most likely. .
Also its very odd that every released videos from hospital cctv is mute without audio ,therefore voice.Most modern cctv's recording also voice along video records,hearing what she was screaming at the time of her attempted escapes could be key factors as well as hearing personel of that hospital.Ambulances are also often kitted by mobile cctv systems recording procedures and at least they are equipped by outside perimeter of ambulance and shell be recorded also voice there...Magda does not seem to be escaping from hospital neither from its staff - but from particular people there ,that were not members of medical staff (refering to civilian casual dressed guys) and one in particular - the guy who she attacked and was after during struggle in halway.
John! Really appreciate the subject matter you always choose and the research and efforr you put in your videos! I have a request on a video, on one of the biggest mysteries of these days; The Smoleńsk Catastrophe (in connection to Katyń).
Good work John as usual !