Muffin, I think if you want a perspective of the ground battle from the air you should have a drone (like the mq1) and/or a helicopter at high altitude
To my fellow German players: -Angling your tank: 👍 (Find a video if you don't know how to properly) -Aim for the chassey machine gun of a jumbo -Don't be blind (don't focus on one spot for too long like to your left or forward/look around more)
I'm the exact opposite, I found germany beyond boring. but loved playing the US. Especially around 5.7 Sure they got big armour big gun (especially at 5.3 and onwards) but they are just boring. ooh I bounce every shot to my front and can point at people and they blow up.. no skill involved. Let me go max speed vroom vroom flanking and hope that things work out. my monkeybrain needs a fast reload and high mobility. I won't even touch the soviets because of their... everything.
@@TheUmdexMan Oh I know but I god damn hate HEATFS. I prefer to shoot things and it kills them, not shoot things and their crew goes orange lol. I prefer being able to 1 hit kill things over having a lot of penetration.
@@cyberarchitect9280 Germany obviously. German armour is volumetric hell for anyone facing them, only exception is the tiger 1 which is ironically pretty easy to kill as long as the person using it isn't aware of this mythical thing called "angling" But germany from 5.7 to 6.7 has the easiest time possible objectively.
Was really fun to participate in these games, sadly I couldn't play last match as I don't have high tier planes or tanks. Was alot harder to fight vs usa in the air 2nd round. GG, was fun. Can't wait for next one.
@@Emporerhubby They could use a heli with a distinctive look that doesn't belong to either participating nation. Maybe a custom camo thats all white with a big camera icon painted on the side? Then just put one on each team so any accidental kills on the noncombatants should even out.
The second round really shows how amazing the stabilizers on the American tanks are. You see 76 shermans pulling around corners and killing tigers who were already aimed at that corner. It's crazy.
In my experience German and Russian players tend to get lazy because they are so used to bouncing shots in the u.s tanks you know if you get touched it’s over so you are constantly on high alert
@@forkliftcertifed123 also it doesnt even matter my point still stands that the luftwaffe defended and fought off 4 separate air forces for a portion of the war, sure they got wrecked at some point but they still held on 1v4
German tree is probably better but german mains are so braindead. If I play germans at 5.7 I constantly get 6-8 kills but if I play Usa 5.7 i get 3-5 kills a match
wait which br ? cause anything below 5.3 germany is usually shit whit a very heavy gun mounted into it that will SOMETIMES work as intended because gajin edit: oh right also, anything below 3.3 cant pen shit unless its a stug or the other tank distroyer in the same research line
crazy how when germany owns the sky's they start winning its almost like real life when german losses the air war they get smoked russia france all of that happened when they lose the air war so its almost like irl.
I think it was rigged from the beginning. Most german players on Tier III were the classic Tiger players. Seeing that they bring full ammo with. And compare germany Tier VII to other nations is just unfair, since Germany is one of the shittiest high tier nations, ground an air wise. Other nations either got better leopards or something equaly good, while germany got no air. Tier II, IV, VI would have been fairer, in my opinion.
BR ~9.0 - kinda equal, but I think Germany has more vehicles. US needs to rely on XM-1 to supplement lack of MBTs. BR ~10.0 - Absolute US domination, by far best loadout, solid setup of everything from MBTs, light tanks to AAs. Top BR absolutely dominated by Germans and onlaught of their Leos.
My favorite BR is 7.0 with the US because the T34 and T29 are just amazing heavy tanks but since im done with my US grind im doing my russian grind even though i have more progress with germany i just find the krauts boring
People think the Germans had limited casualties during the invasion of France but in some moments their tanks sucked cause all the Germans had were short guns on 38Ts panzer 2s, 4s, 3s
Round 2 showed a clear issue on the US... tons of m18's in an urban environment. The m18 CAN work in urban, but there's tons of planes up and it has no stabilizer. At the same time very few of those m18's were actually scouting enemies as far as I can tell which is their only big advantage. Shermans are the kings of urban warfare. Bringing out a m18 is a bad idea comparatively. The jumbo isn't a bad idea but really there should've been a few more m4a3 76's on the US side. they can do a lot of damage and their only downside is armour.
For some reason I highly doubt the jumbo was that strong irl. It’s a shame that you can use that BS in 1.0/3.3 BR. As a German player I fucking hate it. But I figured out I must shoot certain areas to immobilize it and the cannon. I’m close to the sturer emil and tiger h1
That shows how unbalanced is the military of germany after the Soviets captured germany and changed it to DDR and BRD that they hadnt any chance to develope own tanks etc more advanced on the VII rank
Why don’t you make a match but only early war tanks no discord and only two people can communicate to other tanks if that command tank dies it’s a man for themselfs
And this video just show us what does the "American main" means. In the first round Germany dominated the air yes, but it wasn't that bad like the American CAS in the second and third round, and this is why I hate let's be gentle play againts Americans because they die and they immediately get into their god d*mn planes. So to sum up, without CAS Germany would still win the first battle however with much bigger effort needed, the second round well that would have been much more longer and tidious but I think America could still won that, the 3rd round well. First it was an urban which is a pain in the neck, second it is hard to do anything if you are spawn camped by planes which is the most toxic thing to do and if someone does it than pls hit the wall with your head 25-75 times pls because you deserve it. And this goes for both sides. This video show us why some players begging for an only ground battle mode because that some CAS players do in battles are toxic. And yes I was cheering for Germany but I knew USA will win, but not because of the ground force, rather because of most of the Americans main can't live without CASing. Not mention Germany is missing an important element to counter all these threats, and this element called Eurofighter Typhoon. But I still choose Germany or either France or Italy before the American tech tree, because these nations have much more sofisticated vehicles, very often with superrior firepower, while I think the most sofisticated vehicle of the US is the M1, maybe the M60....and the Bradleys I can't hate those vehicles I just love them to much, and there is the HSTVL as well, however the US has the airpower, which doesn't require too much talent to drop bombs to unprotected target, but it goes for all the CAS players. However German players, where were the Ozelots, Gepards etc...the best AA systems of the game? Those could help the situation out. So to sum up, I think both tech tree is equally good, I would say Germany better in ground vehicles. So before anyone would start to write either the German or the US tech tree is a crap, and either one is absolutely better, which would result in a really bad arguement between me and the pontential victim. I have to make one statement take this title as "Who yous their own tech tree better". And for those German players who have been harmed by American CAS, always remember: The Abrams might the most famous but the German cats are the coolest. Thanks for the video, all of the participants did well.
Nah, the US was doing pretty good on the ground in round 1. It looks as if the players picked one vehicle to spawn in but fixed the issue with the lack of similarly good fighters in round two. Round 3 was a reverse of round one. Germany had most of the good planes in round one, America had them in round 3. As for US tank mains, I play US main and don't have too many issues. Honestly, German players around Rank 3-4 really do faceplant their tanks into incoming fire. With BR shifts, there aren't too many games anymore where there are a few M18s and maybe some 75mm armed Shermans against Tigers and Panthers. Now I have my M36s with 90mm at that level and they shred German tanks. I don't play CAS because it just seems like flying a plane got weird or my controls are messed up because I am bad and always crash. Long range maps can still be annoying but CAS can be annoying as well when you are doing decently only to have a bomb drop out of nowhere. Luckily, I have made it a point to get good with AA, so taking them down can be a lot of fun. And, to be honest, I can't blame US mains in the past for jumping in air. It isn't a skill issue when the older German BRs had some tanks almost nothing in the US lineup could damage outside of point blank after tracking and barrelling the opponent. Germans weren't OP, its just that Gaijin messed up with the BRs and the lower-mid tiers of the US tree were just spammed with short 75mm guns. So, to be honest, while I agree that CAS can be annoying, many US players that have been around for a few years feel just as salty and don't care about German main's complaints. Shooting Tigers or Panthers in the past, 5 times to kill them when they usually would one shot tanks at any range while blindly charging forward or just sitting still and bouncing shots deserve some payback. And that is probably why CAS is in the game. So a Panther or Tiger variant driver can't just sit across the map near their spawn and snipe the whole game without consequence.
@@jlawsl As a German main, I can't understand why everyone says the German vehicles have so good armor. Yes the Tiger have a pretty good protection but if I get a total uptier (6.3) well there you shouldn't rely on your armor, same with the Panther. The Königstiger is another thing I can't really talk about its survivability. If we talk about the Pz.IV that has no survivability, which is quite annoying in close combat, but I've sniped our several times, mostly by Russians and Americans are also pretty common among my long range murderers. So I still can't feel sorry for the CAS players
why you take a small city map for rank 3 and you know that the german guns are great for targets that are far away😢 why didn’t take a map that is big but not to big for the bad guns from usa.
It’s just the roles are reversed the Allie’s have crapy air power while the Germans rule the sky’s like Eagles and the Americans rule the ground like cats and hunters
I think the stabilizers on the Shermans helped a lot
Muffin, I think if you want a perspective of the ground battle from the air you should have a drone (like the mq1) and/or a helicopter at high altitude
To my fellow German players:
-Angling your tank: 👍
(Find a video if you don't know how to properly)
-Aim for the chassey machine gun of a jumbo
-Don't be blind (don't focus on one spot for too long like to your left or forward/look around more)
To my fellow American players:
-CLAP DEM GERMAN CHEEKS
-USA, USA, USA, USA!!!! 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thx for the advice 🫡
@@4tbf616HOORAH BROTHER
@@matthewjones39that Russian😂😂
I think every tree has its pros and cons but so far (I have 5.3 in both) I enjoyed Germany a bit more, especially at 3.7
I'm the exact opposite, I found germany beyond boring. but loved playing the US. Especially around 5.7
Sure they got big armour big gun (especially at 5.3 and onwards) but they are just boring. ooh I bounce every shot to my front and can point at people and they blow up.. no skill involved. Let me go max speed vroom vroom flanking and hope that things work out.
my monkeybrain needs a fast reload and high mobility. I won't even touch the soviets because of their... everything.
@@Gary_The_Metroif you want speed you should try Italy :)
@@TheUmdexMan Oh I know but I god damn hate HEATFS.
I prefer to shoot things and it kills them, not shoot things and their crew goes orange lol.
I prefer being able to 1 hit kill things over having a lot of penetration.
@@Gary_The_Metro what nation do you mean "oh they just bounced"?
@@cyberarchitect9280 Germany obviously.
German armour is volumetric hell for anyone facing them, only exception is the tiger 1 which is ironically pretty easy to kill as long as the person using it isn't aware of this mythical thing called "angling"
But germany from 5.7 to 6.7 has the easiest time possible objectively.
To be honest I prefer the Germany. Keep the videos up! They are awesome
Was really fun to participate in these games, sadly I couldn't play last match as I don't have high tier planes or tanks.
Was alot harder to fight vs usa in the air 2nd round.
GG, was fun. Can't wait for next one.
I love how these tournaments are a throw back to your Wotb nation vs nation in the way that tiers go from 3-10 although in this case it’s 1-7
Hey thundermuffin. I think a great idea would be to use Heli’s with no armament for the camera crews over the battle. Would get some cool shots I bet.
But people would shoot the helicopters down and get points for that.
@@Emporerhubby They could use a heli with a distinctive look that doesn't belong to either participating nation. Maybe a custom camo thats all white with a big camera icon painted on the side? Then just put one on each team so any accidental kills on the noncombatants should even out.
the luck i had to see this after 1 second since it was posted
Ya know we need a game mode like this where you can spawn as much as you like and the only way to win is trough caps
Yeah pick 1 tank from hangar and you will always respawn with that tank
Object 279
I would love to see UK vs France in the historic rivalry
The second round really shows how amazing the stabilizers on the American tanks are. You see 76 shermans pulling around corners and killing tigers who were already aimed at that corner. It's crazy.
In my experience German and Russian players tend to get lazy because they are so used to bouncing shots in the u.s tanks you know if you get touched it’s over so you are constantly on high alert
15:27 why can u see a ka 50 team killing in the killfeed
Bruhh, in the tier 7 round, Germany had tanks on their side that weren’t even tier 7. How’s that fair
I’m surprised I didn’t see any marder 3s, those things are the best rank 1 sniper that doesn’t use DS (from my experience)
Tug of war experiment. Call it Tugthunder
I hate hearing people pronounce the Brummbär in english lmfao... "Broom Bar"
I was so sad I couldnt play in this as a dedicated us main.
These videos never disappoint me👍
No Locusts were harmed in the making of this video
it looks like he died when he hit the fence that apparently is having issues 1:56
I mean the luftwaffe fought off 4 Entire airforces on their own for most of the war its no wonder
Are you mentally challenged?
the entire Luftwaffe was destroyed in one battle by one airforce.
@@forkliftcertifed123 please name that one airforce
@@forkliftcertifed123 also it doesnt even matter my point still stands that the luftwaffe defended and fought off 4 separate air forces for a portion of the war, sure they got wrecked at some point but they still held on 1v4
@@adimaiuniversal4361 The Battle of Britain. Read up on it.
You should do Germany vs Russia. That would be interesting
15:05 a window of oportunitys😅😂
Don't compare nations, because "It's not the plane, but the pilot"
Bro the intro looked like a movie
German tree is probably better but german mains are so braindead. If I play germans at 5.7 I constantly get 6-8 kills but if I play Usa 5.7 i get 3-5 kills a match
1:21 that stug do be stuging
It depends on the BR which is better.. I really like the low BR shermans.. But I can not stand them over 5.3. Then there is the Panther
Took me a few watches to notice the bias
“I see no god up here other than me”
You should also do sub nations like South Africa and Hungary.
You can’t
2nd Game was missing the Tiger 2, I never see just Tiger E/H1 or Panthers, there's also Tiger 2
In my opinion Germany have better ground vehicles and USA have better aircraft ngl
US mains also ass
German aircraft are great in air RB, but they aren't as well suited to groud RB imo
tornado goes hard bro @@russman3787
wait which br ?
cause anything below 5.3 germany is usually shit whit a very heavy gun mounted into it that will SOMETIMES work as intended because gajin
edit: oh right also, anything below 3.3 cant pen shit unless its a stug or the other tank distroyer in the same research line
@@agustinmelar5496are you tripping germany gets some of the best pen rates at low tier
how does he have a gunner on top of the tank on 11:37 mine is empty and turret moves on its own
3:02 hilarious
I made the right choice choosing the Freedom tech tree
Grund no air yes
Germany is a good coutry it suffer from wanabe michael witmans but the good players they are beasts and probbably the best in game
I do really like close range in america as many of my shermans had little to no bullet velocity
Love your video ( I hope France win the next match she’s in ) ❤
its not the coutry its the player
The best Tiger player could beat the worst Abrams player
I think if they played a open Map a Rank Three Germany would have won
Agreed
Do britian next
No seriously tho why are german players so blind? It's not even a joke they just shoot the strongest spots only and never look around lol
crazy how when germany owns the sky's they start winning its almost like real life when german losses the air war they get smoked russia france all of that happened when they lose the air war so its almost like irl.
I love this game, I used to play but my computer is to old. 😭
Drift in 17:15
This would have been a lot more balanced without the GBUs constantly bombing our spawn, but it was fun either way
Lol American Cas be like at 5.3
11:48 spot the thing that shouldn't be in the match...
hint: vvv
it's in the kill feed
What was it
@@Lolski_924 ka-50 tk'ing a panther
@@n1co2017Apparently was a mod dealing with a cheater, hence the clantag
Was Norden there for the rank 7 match?
Yknow muffin i dont think germany is bad its just the players
you should play in open map not city map
Sry but i think that you only took bad germany players the tanks are Right used sooo much better
It's not the country it's the player......... Exept when you play France
well thats not how that works 20:17
I think it was rigged from the beginning. Most german players on Tier III were the classic Tiger players. Seeing that they bring full ammo with.
And compare germany Tier VII to other nations is just unfair, since Germany is one of the shittiest high tier nations, ground an air wise. Other nations either got better leopards or something equaly good, while germany got no air.
Tier II, IV, VI would have been fairer, in my opinion.
Damn every nation invading poland now lol
can you doo someting with sweden being one main side
18:29 Yea i think we are dominating
11:46, random Ka-50 in the killfeed
that's one of Muffin's mods dealing with a cheater.
UK vs Italy
Italy has already lost 3-0 against France.
a lot of times the reson america exels at mid teir is becasue of the stab
well last battle was cas hell
BR ~9.0 - kinda equal, but I think Germany has more vehicles. US needs to rely on XM-1 to supplement lack of MBTs.
BR ~10.0 - Absolute US domination, by far best loadout, solid setup of everything from MBTs, light tanks to AAs.
Top BR absolutely dominated by Germans and onlaught of their Leos.
Can you do panther vs jumbo or m4 sherman
As a USA main I can confirm that our planes can decide a match
My favorite BR is 7.0 with the US because the T34 and T29 are just amazing heavy tanks but since im done with my US grind im doing my russian grind even though i have more progress with germany i just find the krauts boring
Can you make battle of stonne at futur , please ?
People think the Germans had limited casualties during the invasion of France but in some moments their tanks sucked cause all the Germans had were short guns on 38Ts panzer 2s, 4s, 3s
Round 2 showed a clear issue on the US... tons of m18's in an urban environment.
The m18 CAN work in urban, but there's tons of planes up and it has no stabilizer. At the same time very few of those m18's were actually scouting enemies as far as I can tell which is their only big advantage.
Shermans are the kings of urban warfare. Bringing out a m18 is a bad idea comparatively.
The jumbo isn't a bad idea but really there should've been a few more m4a3 76's on the US side. they can do a lot of damage and their only downside is armour.
You want Warthunder players in scout tanks to remember they can scout? Literally impossible.
If the second game had been in an open place like Poland...the American team would have lost
I don’t understand why the jumbo’s are so good in this game none of the US tanks were that good in the war
Its not about the tank, it’s about the commander. Even tho a good tiger or panther player should easily win from a Sherman with a short 75mm cannon
i would really love to appeal in your discord server tbh
whats up with the description
love these videos
in real life germany tanks are way better then the usa ones. abraham would lose every battle againt the leopard
The map selection really screwed Germany over after pre ww2
For some reason I highly doubt the jumbo was that strong irl. It’s a shame that you can use that BS in 1.0/3.3 BR. As a German player I fucking hate it. But I figured out I must shoot certain areas to immobilize it and the cannon. I’m close to the sturer emil and tiger h1
Anyone remember blitz with muffin
I do:)
That shows how unbalanced is the military of germany after the Soviets captured germany and changed it to DDR and BRD that they hadnt any chance to develope own tanks etc more advanced on the VII rank
Why don’t you make a match but only early war tanks no discord and only two people can communicate to other tanks if that command tank dies it’s a man for themselfs
naaah ya'll got it entirely wrong freddy fazbear would beat every military
I say for top tier air I would say USA would win that’s my opinion
War Thunder Tank WW2 WW3 5.7 8.7 11.7 VS 5.7 8.7 11.7 Tank WW2 WW3
Muffin, could you please do aircraft Germany versus USSR?
That would suck
Germany win in may ❤
Happy nation living in a happy nation
Muffin yyou Said you Change between Sides while battel but you Player ONLY in the US Team i dont think this was vers fair
Where is the AA?
It was rigged you should do a long range map
Now thats just unfair, because the German use High Velozity gun
@@dolfi2008 that's fair since that what they're designed to do
@@Nitrox_909 well, that's one sided fight. Just like If they play in city map. German stood no chance
@@dolfi2008 so to balance it out tjey should 've done a long range map
@@Nitrox_909 but that's becoming unbalanced, because long range fight make it easier for Germany. whining bastard they're
US is literally carried by their air force. As said, battles are won from the skies.
Classic us w
Maybe without planes next time, and not focused on urban environments especially at top tier
And this video just show us what does the "American main" means. In the first round Germany dominated the air yes, but it wasn't that bad like the American CAS in the second and third round, and this is why I hate let's be gentle play againts Americans because they die and they immediately get into their god d*mn planes. So to sum up, without CAS Germany would still win the first battle however with much bigger effort needed, the second round well that would have been much more longer and tidious but I think America could still won that, the 3rd round well. First it was an urban which is a pain in the neck, second it is hard to do anything if you are spawn camped by planes which is the most toxic thing to do and if someone does it than pls hit the wall with your head 25-75 times pls because you deserve it. And this goes for both sides. This video show us why some players begging for an only ground battle mode because that some CAS players do in battles are toxic. And yes I was cheering for Germany but I knew USA will win, but not because of the ground force, rather because of most of the Americans main can't live without CASing. Not mention Germany is missing an important element to counter all these threats, and this element called Eurofighter Typhoon. But I still choose Germany or either France or Italy before the American tech tree, because these nations have much more sofisticated vehicles, very often with superrior firepower, while I think the most sofisticated vehicle of the US is the M1, maybe the M60....and the Bradleys I can't hate those vehicles I just love them to much, and there is the HSTVL as well, however the US has the airpower, which doesn't require too much talent to drop bombs to unprotected target, but it goes for all the CAS players. However German players, where were the Ozelots, Gepards etc...the best AA systems of the game? Those could help the situation out. So to sum up, I think both tech tree is equally good, I would say Germany better in ground vehicles. So before anyone would start to write either the German or the US tech tree is a crap, and either one is absolutely better, which would result in a really bad arguement between me and the pontential victim. I have to make one statement take this title as "Who yous their own tech tree better". And for those German players who have been harmed by American CAS, always remember: The Abrams might the most famous but the German cats are the coolest. Thanks for the video, all of the participants did well.
Nah, the US was doing pretty good on the ground in round 1. It looks as if the players picked one vehicle to spawn in but fixed the issue with the lack of similarly good fighters in round two. Round 3 was a reverse of round one. Germany had most of the good planes in round one, America had them in round 3.
As for US tank mains, I play US main and don't have too many issues. Honestly, German players around Rank 3-4 really do faceplant their tanks into incoming fire. With BR shifts, there aren't too many games anymore where there are a few M18s and maybe some 75mm armed Shermans against Tigers and Panthers. Now I have my M36s with 90mm at that level and they shred German tanks. I don't play CAS because it just seems like flying a plane got weird or my controls are messed up because I am bad and always crash. Long range maps can still be annoying but CAS can be annoying as well when you are doing decently only to have a bomb drop out of nowhere. Luckily, I have made it a point to get good with AA, so taking them down can be a lot of fun.
And, to be honest, I can't blame US mains in the past for jumping in air. It isn't a skill issue when the older German BRs had some tanks almost nothing in the US lineup could damage outside of point blank after tracking and barrelling the opponent. Germans weren't OP, its just that Gaijin messed up with the BRs and the lower-mid tiers of the US tree were just spammed with short 75mm guns. So, to be honest, while I agree that CAS can be annoying, many US players that have been around for a few years feel just as salty and don't care about German main's complaints. Shooting Tigers or Panthers in the past, 5 times to kill them when they usually would one shot tanks at any range while blindly charging forward or just sitting still and bouncing shots deserve some payback.
And that is probably why CAS is in the game. So a Panther or Tiger variant driver can't just sit across the map near their spawn and snipe the whole game without consequence.
@@jlawsl As a German main, I can't understand why everyone says the German vehicles have so good armor. Yes the Tiger have a pretty good protection but if I get a total uptier (6.3) well there you shouldn't rely on your armor, same with the Panther. The Königstiger is another thing I can't really talk about its survivability. If we talk about the Pz.IV that has no survivability, which is quite annoying in close combat, but I've sniped our several times, mostly by Russians and Americans are also pretty common among my long range murderers. So I still can't feel sorry for the CAS players
of course your country won when you arranged it with that second map and better communication on the us side (I assume)
German bias 🗿
Jk lol, I always love to see another video from you, no matter what it is, keep it up! 🎉
The M22 is the best tier 1 tank I kid you not
why you take a small city map for rank 3 and you know that the german guns are great for targets that are far away😢 why didn’t take a map that is big but not to big for the bad guns from usa.
You should have told me, im a heavy tank main including the tiger
M22 versus KV 2
only sky its a 2-1 or a 3-0
It’s just the roles are reversed the Allie’s have crapy air power while the Germans rule the sky’s like Eagles and the Americans rule the ground like cats and hunters