CHRIS HEDGES IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEACHERS. HIS SHOW ON RT WAS DISAPPEARED FROM YT WE SHARE THAT IN COMMON, I WROTE A BOOK CALLED COWSANDPIGSMAKETHEEARTHWARM AND THEY TERMINATED ME ON YT, TWITTER AND DONT ALLOW ME TO ADVERTISE ON THE INTERNET. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HATED GETTING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TRASHED SO MUCH THAT NOW, COWS AND PIGS IS IN 20 BLACK OWNED BOOKSTORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY THE 7 LARGEST ON LINE RETAILERS THANK GOD
Chris is a genuine treasure and he's passing on his knowledge to victims of Joe Biden's Crime Bill. He is what a Christian was supposed to be, but unfortunately many or most come nowhere close...
@@thalgott3 Agreed, Chris is amazing. As for Christians, I´m sorry your view "jumps to lumps", lumping so many so broadly. Unfortunately, that´s the kind of lumping based on a kind of ahistorical, what, unpsychological and unpedagogical insight, since people need incentives and orientation. I was raised by a dad who became an atheist humanist because of his advanced education, and really valued education. And didn´t blame religion, or God, but the "multinationals." I ended up getting a degree in bio anthro, and when I graduated then knocking on doors for eco-social consumer protection for the PIRGs who taught me about Ralph Nader, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, and Oxfam. Now, I had already gotten curious about scholar H Smith´s description of the Chinese Dao/Tao, and Unitarian Universalist interfaith´s support of spiritual paths. I hit a new gear in social services in a big East Coast city when an Afro-Haitian-Am lady colleague introduced me to Louise Hay´s self-care loving self-talk work, and I found her book You Can Heal Your Life. Another Puerto Rican-Am colleague introduced me to the 12 step groups, and I searched out the relationship groups CoDA and Al-Anon. I took tai chi, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, capoeira, kinds of self-defense martial arts as forms of meditative practice, ultimately. As I learned about the 12 step roots in the Christian spiritual Oxford Group, I got curious about historical roots. More quickly, I found Reading Rooms of Christian Science, a denomination with a spiritualized, healing focus and written testimony records. That inspired me to revisit other denominations, and even University-based culture and its origins. Rev ML King is still famous, no matter how secularized, and even Gandhi, also without much mention of his interfaith Christian plus Hindu practice. I don´t keep up with Alan Watts, and keep seeking figures to hold as a role model for interfaith practice. Karen Armstrong is interesting, Matt Fox, Ninian Smart, Fritjof Capra, are among some of my influences. I encourage you to get beyond trashtalking even progressive Christians. But that means that a person needs to take care of their own worldview personally, and I offer the suggestion that that is worthwhile. Bill McKibben might be a more conventional Christian as environmental activist worth mentioning. Going interfaith with the kinds of examples I´ve mentioned, however, captures the full scope and meaning of what is not usually used spiritually, the "Freedom of Religion" and University-based "Religious Studies." While UUism itself never really met my needs, I keep using it as the framework that makes the most sense of all my insights for Gandhian kind of living in what I call Jesus´ legacy in structured pluralism with FD Roosevelt´s vision and legacy in UN human rights and sustainability world community.
That was the most fascinating interview I’ve heard in many a year, i generally don’t read non fiction but I’m going to rush out to get this book. With gratitude.
I stopped eating octopus decades ago when I learned of their marvelous existence. Thank you Chris for having this conversation. We need to save this planet from us
As al child I saw my father catching octopuses. For some reason he would beat them to death. It's been 55 years and the horrible scene is still with me
Thank you so much for this. Ever since I saw My Octopus Teacher I have felt kinship with these extraordinary beings, who are so alone in a dangerous world, but who have incredible ability to adapt and blend in. I used to think of myself as a chameleon, but now I know I'm an octopus. Bless them. ♥
I think this author was genuinely surprised & pleased at Chris' knack for exploring nuance in their book(s). I am so glad that On Contact has been rebirthed into The Chris Hedges Report!
Thank you, Chris, every day for the courage and knowledge you help our world with. Your voice keeps me sane. I bought his book !!!! (What a revelation!!!) Ray Naler 'The Mountain of the Sea' I recommend to everyone. Iian McGilchrist books, may I also add, are amazing with his lectures. Thank you, both again.
I have been fascinated by this subject much of my life. Thank you for this intelligent coverage made for thinking people. We are continually shunned by those who are put off by cogent conversation .
Thank you Chris, you are doing God's work. You are truly a role model and an inspiration for those of us who still have hope for a better future. Keep up the amazing work. Can't wait to read the book!
@@SameAsAnyOtherStranger Relevance, relative, two different words with two different meanings. Your comment is irrelevant in this context regarding the relative nature of our sanity. But clearly your in the same group so.. Welcome fellow nutball!
@@leonardmead1425 Thanks but, being truly over the edge is all that’s required, nothing to feel good about! I heard yesterday that our entire society is suffering from complex PTSD. First thing I’ve heard in a long while that made complete sense!
"I'd like to be under the sea In an octopus's garden in the shade We would shout and swim about The coral that lies beneath the waves Oh what joy for every girl and boy Knowing they're happy and they're safe We would be so happy you and me No one there to tell us what to do." - The Beetles
@@tmmartinesq.6216 I don’t really know anything about the intelligence of squid. I don’t think we should be eating any animals though, or keep it to a minimum anyway. And I guess prioritise the dumber ones :)
I know I only graduated from a community college ( which is sneered at by most of you reading this), but my final research paper was about the cruelty of the poultry industry, (An industry so sadistic that we need a new word to describe that level of human depravity), and it’s effects on society. In other words, how we treat the least of us is how you will eventually be treated. I wrote that paper 12 years ago and what I predicted is happening so fast even I am somewhere astonished. The affluent middle class and wealthy think their lifestyles are a buffer to the suffering that is barreling down upon us, but in the end the dogs will eat the master.
Terrific interview, put novel on library list. Horrifically, a Spanish company is planning to open the world's first commercial octopus farm-an octopus factory farm- in the Canary Islands in 2023. I'm working in my state, WA, to pre-emptively ban octopus farming and/or the sale of imported, farmed octopus meat
Goodness, is the anything humans won't farm? Hi, fellow Washingtonian here, how can I and others be a part of keeping octopus farming from taking root?
That's horrific we literally all know the superior intelligence of the Octopus and many other of nature's creations, but then again Mexico would allow considering the president want to fight the Cartel with hugs and stop and have killed many a journalist. The depravity and corruption should have USA ending all ties with Mexico and Cartels are breaking a major agreement We've made with the devil's entity known to us as the Cartels. I'm sorry for those good humans living in Mexico for your suffering on many various levels due to the Cartels and USA continued acceptance of doing business with Mexico long as we do business now a days especially with Mexico the reality we all. Know is, is that we are literally doing business with, and through manufacturing we are funding the Cartels, if Meth is what north Americans want so much and the money so good for all involved and easy enough to make or it used to be that we allow carte.s smuggling it to continue even though now they are killing North Americans and don't care because they now sell drugs in farther places making way more money. If USA citizens could have Sudafed back and make their own that puts end to most business with Cartel then just close borders for awhile, or really enforce comp,incest with laws and agreements like Cartel cannot murder USA citizens or we will. Send in our military. That's literally an agreement made and the rules have far been broken and soo many innocent have died. Octopus farming anywhere is unacceptable it's all unacceptable. Animals have personalities. Ottoman Empire kidnapped and had white and black slaves for very long time so I'm glad to hear they were good to the animals... Blah blah blah humans we're not superior over animals or one another in fact the thought literally proves how bottom parasitic we are. A very suicidal self harming g species and I think it's gotten worse .Ike subconsciously we know in order to stop hate and maybe even save Earth we must remove most humans unfortunately it's the greed for money humans and those who suffer true God complex and ego that may get to come back to Earth after the continue the rest of us to kill ourselves sacrificing planet Earth as well, because they can rocket away for awhile then return and start over with their robots probably controlling them from moon or space station type place so robots don't kill, them. Making Earth a realtime experiment huh makes you start to wonder doesn't it. Maybe we are going back in time currently and robots were the beginning and they just became more and more human like to a fault and that's why we're so destructive literally to everything g surrounding us that or subconsciously those that aren't in 1% are all working slaves that given sense of freedom and pretend wages we just give back to owners through groceries, utilities taxes and medical care and housing. Feeling fee because we can walk around enough to spend money freely on their products and steal and kil, eachother for their products to sell for money to again buy their products. Unless you own housing utilities or convinced society to be dependent on your product then you a slave, so Cartels must be part of the 1%
Fascinatingly unique perspective of combining 3 narratives in one book. My dream is to write a book, and Ray has given a key for the format of it. This interview is so informative as well. Thank you, Chris for brining Ray to the discussion.
Thanks very much for hosting this interview on TRNN. I wasn't able to watch it when it first aired because it took so long to render. I immediately bought the novel and am around 30% into it.
Thanks Chris I’m a big octopus fan and a big empathy fan down with disparity I’m sure you know the deal of the different ways that Aristotle and James Madison view disparity and democracy While considering the octopus I considered one of the pages from the book cows and pigs make the earth warm which I would love to send you a copy of where a young black girl looks in the eyes of a cow and decides she can never eat anything with eyes and a smile again well thanks for today’s report peace and love save the world end The wars
cows are totally lovely, they like music, and pigs are cool. it's a real tragedy, but we are made like that, so many species are predators. I would like to see a change, but as chris tells, the habits of a majority hardly ever change.
@@neovxr TRUE BUT WE ARE THE ONLY SPECIES CAPABLE OF REALIZING THAT ONLY A BUNCH OF SELFAABSORBED, SELFSERVING, NARCISISTIC ASSHOLES WOULD DECIDE THAT WE ARE THE ONLY CREATURES ON THE PLANET DESERVING OF LIFE AND DARE I SAY IT, HUMANE TREATMENT. WOLFS DONT THINK ABOUT THAT. THEY JUST WANT TO LICK THEMSELVES AND BECAUSE THEY CAN OF COURSE AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT.; ALSO DID YOU KNOW THAT DEODERANT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED AS A MARINADE BECAUSE FOOD WAS SCARCE IN CITIES AND PEOPLE STINK. THERE IS NO END TO HUMAN CONSUMPTION. COWSANDPIGSMAKETHEEARTHWARM
If we lock the girl and the cow in a kitchen for three weeks without provisions I'll give you 10:1 odds on the cow. Betting is now open. I tell you, you're going to make some easy money sir. I've seen this cow and I can tell you it's a fighter.
Neovxr, well, it's not the majority we should concern ourselves with so much as the individual. Once enough individuals learns and improves or transcends, we can actually support change as it should be supported.. by unanimity. We will inevitably transcend, as every species evolves. The " well it's just not that way so let's not try very hard" line is quite dismissive and lazy.
@@nickjohnson3619 Sure, Orwell could have EASILY imagined these social constructs. What he probably could not imagine is the power and influence masses of people yield to it voluntarily: something so basic & unimpressive.
What’s being said, relative to the relationship between humans and octopuses can be equally applied to a creature known in some places by the name, “Sasquatch”. We’ve failed to emphasize with something intelligent that has a very narrow yet clear understanding of our behavior but it’s based on an unfair representation due to not exploring the possibility of other living things needing us to show our ability to have compassion and feel regret, solely through the ignorance of believing that no other living entity could possibly process enough information to make this a possibility.
Very interesting stuff. One thing I want to point out. Orca (killer whale) pods have their own distinct languages and arguably their own cultures. Unlike the octopus information is passed down from generation to generation. Each pod also has a very distinct call when pods team up to hunt. Certain distinct pods will hunt by beaching themselves and there is a sort of "right of Passage" for younger whales who are brave enough to hunt this way. Not every younger member attempts this but those who do are then trained and taught. The "teacher" whale will even set up practice sessions with a floating ball of seaweed and branches and position them at the distance most effective for trapping and catching prey. They have brains much bigger and more complex than ours! So there you have it! We are not all that alone!
Bottlenose dolphins have different languages or dialects, and we can at least pick out their names from all those whistles and clicks. I haven't read it, but maybe this book regards octopodes because they have potential to build things.
What makes their brains more complex then humans? That is a silly to say given how little we know about how even human brains actually work and we don't actually know what kind of mind orcas have developed (the mind is not the brain. It's the gestalt process the brain performs, mind is the software running on the brain hardware).
Fascinating discussion and a book I look forward to reading. The impossibility of experiencing the world "outside" of our brain's interpretations has always fascinated me. And the truly alien - that for which there is no point of reference - as the greatest human fear has also been a ontological preoccupation of mine.
Thank you so much, Mr. Hedges. Over the years I've read a number of books written by the authors you have interviewed, and I'll soon be looking for this one.
Thank you for the lesson about octopuses! I have a small pond in the yard stocked with goldfish and am discovering that these beautiful and resilient fish are also intelligent and playful as well.
i am so grateful for Chris Hedges and his ability and courage to make the connections between the categories of ideas that unless synthesized are sources of violence and ignorance.. an example is the general ambivalence and disconnect between the systems of violence we live in and the violence we do to other species. it is a deeply unpopular and inconvenient insight because it forces us to critique ourselves as well as the world around us. finally surrendering our mistaken conviction that our violence is justified, natural and inevitable
And the macaques are already communicating by screeching and flashing their genitals to each other. Imagine the sophistication of the output if we could harness millions of them to typewriters. Chris Hedges would be out of a job. Be careful what you wish for.
Great conversation as Spain is opening an octupus factory farm Can we be smarter by eating octupus. Eating buffalo hasn’t made us stronger. Eating chickens hasn’t made us made better mothers. Eating fish hasn’t made us better swimmers. Octupus farm? New exploitation market towards what????
I've eaten delicious octupus in Spain. It's one of the most popular tapas so not surprising they now have a farm. Too bad they are going industrial as that's a harsh existence and will diminish the quality but fish and probably octopods will no longer exist in a few decades. We've basically killed off most life in the ocean so farming them is the only way to continue eating them.
@@DeeMarie111 You've correctly identified the inevitable future state. What's your prescription to salvage maritime agriculture? Capitalism is going to destroy the entire planet.
You have to be pyschotic to buy into consumer culture, if not you have to live in a state of traumatized disbelief fighting to maintain your sanity in a world that lacks humanity
Interesting interview. Thank you Mr. Hedges. What about birds, particularly Corvids & Psittacines. They have language, make & use complex tools, have better facial recognition then computer programs, solve very complex programs, live in complex societies, & use symbols. They continually extend language. Irene Pepperburg at University of Arizona has proven their intelligence & ability. Btw, she graduated from MIT, I think she has a Postgraduate Degree in Chemistry from MIT.
So do chickens. They are the smartest of all our domestic species and the most affectionate and cleanest. Yet look at the beyond sadistic ways we treat them.
This is a fantastic interview, well done to you both. What excellent topics, what a brilliant writer,and mind. This interview is way too difficult for most to grasp finally another person who thinks like us. Another meaningful video by Chris Hedges So I guess the song by the Beatles, "Octopus Garden " did actually have deep meaning imbedded between the lines.
...I guess it's nice to hear honesty about how humans suck. It gets really old hearing that people are "basically good," when I can guarantee you that's not what I've witnessed or experienced.
There's a great Jacques Cousteau episode about octopus someone uploaded to YT search on Octopus, Octopus. Episode 20 of 37, Jacques Cousteau Odyssey. The real Life Aquatic EDIT PS: Oh, and in case Jacques Cousteau isn't cool enough for you that episode is narrated by none other than the Twilight Zone's Rod Serling. One of his last before he succumbed to the tobacco.
yes, communication And Empathy. enough to realize that we are different and part of the same One, We live in peace allowing all creatures to live in dignity WE all have plant-based diets generation after generation we advance in every way because we are no longer spending time energy resources on killing each other. Our Reptilian brains turn completely off and eventually die out too. The Almighty looks at HUMANs who no longer kill hating and cause suffering, then he takes his rib back. We are God.😅
Well all you need is a model of how sound or images are processed in say elephants or birds in their sense organs then translate it to ours. I know dolphin language is 2D unlike our 1D language so to talk to dolphins we need to convert their sounds into images.
Yes. The slave sailors. My favorite novelist, the amazing B Traven, has novel The Death Ship. It is about that very thing; slavery on a horrible ship, inability to land anywhere without papers. This novel is from like 1929
This was different and very interesting and enjoyable. Good show. Chris Hedges, I wish you would address the issue of MMT, or Modern Monetary Theory. If accurate, I can't think of anything more important to understand. #learnMMT
I saw a clip on a YT chanel called the the Dodo. Person found a small octopus in a shrinking tide pool. Picked it gently out, walked over to the surf and released it. The person watched it swim/crawl off a short way and then the creature swam back and grabbed the person's foot for a moment then swam off for good. I knew they were smart animals but that blew my mind.
Il sistema naturale è brillante su tanti livelli. La sapienza dei polpi è soltanto un'aspetto. My octopus teacher (Il mio polpo insegnante) is well worth a look on Netflix.
We killed the other human species, but what were “we” supposed to be guided by? Of course, the horrid march to autocracy-slavery is disturbing. The book seems very interesting.
I trust Octopus language way more than the Ouija board meeting. Don't play with the Ouija board. But do what you want. Thank you for reminding me to breathe and see what happens.
The original Star Trek episode 'By Any Other Name' explores a race of aliens, similar to octopus, from our nearest neighbor galaxy, Andromeda, that have taken human form, so as to seize the Enterprise. Spock indicates in part of his dialogue, the Kelvans were "actually huge creatures with hundreds of tentacles" (Wikipedia).
We have more in common than many like to acknowledge. Prestigious universities have studied this. Chickens have a complex system of communication and can work a thermostat. Pigs can play computer games, something dogs can't do. Cows form lifelong friendships and recognize a human face after many years.
From the lowest staging site in Europa's ice, we are just above the surface of the water, preparing a mission into the depths. There is evidence of a mollusk like higher life form similar to that of a cephalopod. The water is roiling, (eerie music plays in the background) In a whispering voice.... "Let's get out of here?"
Man it would be AWESOME if Chris would have a serious discussion with Jordan Peterson! There's so much for them to discuss. They really travel on strangely parallel courses.
Chris E-ffing brilliant just bought the book it will be here tomorrow hard cover no less (the one day delivery got me) how about that ! great find ! kudos to you
This deserves an entire essay to respond. To cut it down to a few sentences, I suggest understanding sentient beings via Gary Francione & thus understanding speciesism. But he is certainly not complete by any stretch of the imagination. I would make Abundant Earth (Eileen Crist) a *must read*--there's a free online pdf. Overrated is human language. Our runaway technology is not something to glorify. Quite the contrary.
The most profound exploration of sci fi themes and empathy I have ever heard. Wonderful stuff.
Thanks for sharing a reason to keep living and learning. If only all journalists were this engaged.
CHRIS HEDGES IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE TEACHERS. HIS SHOW ON RT WAS DISAPPEARED FROM YT
WE SHARE THAT IN COMMON, I WROTE A BOOK CALLED COWSANDPIGSMAKETHEEARTHWARM AND THEY TERMINATED ME ON YT, TWITTER AND DONT ALLOW ME TO ADVERTISE ON THE INTERNET. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HATED GETTING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS TRASHED SO MUCH THAT NOW, COWS AND PIGS IS IN 20 BLACK OWNED BOOKSTORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY THE 7 LARGEST ON LINE RETAILERS THANK GOD
Chris is a genuine treasure and he's passing on his knowledge to victims of Joe Biden's Crime Bill. He is what a Christian was supposed to be, but unfortunately many or most come nowhere close...
@@thalgott3 Agreed, Chris is amazing. As for Christians, I´m sorry your view "jumps to lumps", lumping so many so broadly. Unfortunately, that´s the kind of lumping based on a kind of ahistorical, what, unpsychological and unpedagogical insight, since people need incentives and orientation.
I was raised by a dad who became an atheist humanist because of his advanced education, and really valued education. And didn´t blame religion, or God, but the "multinationals." I ended up getting a degree in bio anthro, and when I graduated then knocking on doors for eco-social consumer protection for the PIRGs who taught me about Ralph Nader, Sierra Club, Greenpeace, and Oxfam.
Now, I had already gotten curious about scholar H Smith´s description of the Chinese Dao/Tao, and Unitarian Universalist interfaith´s support of spiritual paths. I hit a new gear in social services in a big East Coast city when an Afro-Haitian-Am lady colleague introduced me to Louise Hay´s self-care loving self-talk work, and I found her book You Can Heal Your Life. Another Puerto Rican-Am colleague introduced me to the 12 step groups, and I searched out the relationship groups CoDA and Al-Anon. I took tai chi, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, capoeira, kinds of self-defense martial arts as forms of meditative practice, ultimately. As I learned about the 12 step roots in the Christian spiritual Oxford Group, I got curious about historical roots. More quickly, I found Reading Rooms of Christian Science, a denomination with a spiritualized, healing focus and written testimony records. That inspired me to revisit other denominations, and even University-based culture and its origins.
Rev ML King is still famous, no matter how secularized, and even Gandhi, also without much mention of his interfaith Christian plus Hindu practice.
I don´t keep up with Alan Watts, and keep seeking figures to hold as a role model for interfaith practice. Karen Armstrong is interesting, Matt Fox, Ninian Smart, Fritjof Capra, are among some of my influences. I encourage you to get beyond trashtalking even progressive Christians. But that means that a person needs to take care of their own worldview personally, and I offer the suggestion that that is worthwhile. Bill McKibben might be a more conventional Christian as environmental activist worth mentioning. Going interfaith with the kinds of examples I´ve mentioned, however, captures the full scope and meaning of what is not usually used spiritually, the "Freedom of Religion" and University-based "Religious Studies." While UUism itself never really met my needs, I keep using it as the framework that makes the most sense of all my insights for Gandhian kind of living in what I call Jesus´ legacy in structured pluralism with FD Roosevelt´s vision and legacy in UN human rights and sustainability world community.
My Octopus Teacher is probably the most interesting film that I have seen on Netflix in five years. An award winning documentary.
Had to watch that one multiple times
A wonderful doc! (I like to pair it with the animated Charlotte's Web).
That movie brought tears to my eyes
While I liked the theme of that movie, I felt manipulated by its injected drama. Would find a straight documentary way more effective
It was great.
Excellent Chris Hedges
That was the most fascinating interview I’ve heard in many a year, i generally don’t read non fiction but I’m going to rush out to get this book. With gratitude.
It’s fiction
ME TO0
I bought it after this interview and it was an amazing book.
Great interview, thanks! 🙂
MAY GOD BLESS YOU CHRIS HEDGES THANK YOU .
I stopped eating octopus decades ago when I learned of their marvelous existence. Thank you Chris for having this conversation. We need to save this planet from us
As al child I saw my father catching octopuses. For some reason he would beat them to death. It's been 55 years and the horrible scene is still with me
Thank you so much for this. Ever since I saw My Octopus Teacher I have felt kinship with these extraordinary beings, who are so alone in a dangerous world, but who have incredible ability to adapt and blend in. I used to think of myself as a chameleon, but now I know I'm an octopus. Bless them. ♥
Lovely interview. Fascinating topics. Thank you.
I think this author was genuinely surprised & pleased at Chris' knack for exploring nuance in their book(s). I am so glad that On Contact has been rebirthed into The Chris Hedges Report!
Thank you, Chris, every day for the courage and knowledge you help our world with. Your voice keeps me sane.
I bought his book !!!! (What a revelation!!!) Ray Naler 'The Mountain of the Sea' I recommend to everyone.
Iian McGilchrist books, may I also add, are amazing with his lectures.
Thank you, both again.
Fantastic subject matter thank you for bringing this to my attention
Thank you to the people that recommended “my octopus teacher”. That’s what makes the internet a good thing.👍🏼
_'Hot For Octo-Teacher'_ - Van Halen were way ahead of their time.
thank you, Chris and Ray...
I have been fascinated by this subject much of my life. Thank you for this intelligent coverage made for thinking people. We are continually shunned by those who are put off by cogent conversation .
Thank you Chris, you are doing God's work. You are truly a role model and an inspiration for those of us who still have hope for a better future.
Keep up the amazing work. Can't wait to read the book!
@alienígena Excellent question.
All the gods? And what of the goddesses, that gave birth to the gods?
High level discussion great stuff
Thanks Chris , I really enjoyed the talk
This is fascinating. Well done and much appreciated, gentlemen.
Most fascinating, encompassing and very pertinent. Food for our times- indeed, l'll certainly be reading it. All the best. William. Ireland.
Chris, always GREAT, always. Thank you both.
Wonderful talk, so timely and resonates w/where we find ourselves (again), w/ real need for self awareness. Thank you both.
🎯 Excellent "intro" Mr.Hedges, we #appreciate the #focused shout-out to #us. Those few lines state the undeniable #truth. 🙋🏿♂️🧏🏾.
I need the Chris Hedges Report to stay relatively sane.
Relatively
Relevance of sanity. Sounds like a personal problem.
@@SameAsAnyOtherStranger Relevance, relative, two different words with two different meanings.
Your comment is irrelevant in this context regarding the relative nature of our sanity.
But clearly your in the same group so.. Welcome fellow nutball!
@@mischevious vvg
@@leonardmead1425 Thanks but, being truly over the edge is all that’s required, nothing to feel good about!
I heard yesterday that our entire society is suffering from complex PTSD. First thing I’ve heard in a long while that made complete sense!
Thanks Chris. Simply magic. Ray is amazing. Its true that the ideas that create change come from outside (now).
I'm teary and it's only the introduction.
F*in A 15 min in
Wow! Play it again 👈👈👈
Amazing! Order from your LOCAL bookseller.
"I'd like to be under the sea
In an octopus's garden in the shade
We would shout and swim about
The coral that lies beneath the waves
Oh what joy for every girl and boy
Knowing they're happy and they're safe
We would be so happy you and me
No one there to tell us what to do."
- The Beetles
Not just Beatles, we’re talking Richard Starkey!.🥁
Octopuses definitely shouldn’t be eaten ever. It’s disturbing that people do that still.
How about squid?
@@tmmartinesq.6216 I don’t really know anything about the intelligence of squid. I don’t think we should be eating any animals though, or keep it to a minimum anyway. And I guess prioritise the dumber ones :)
Agree
@@christillI think cannibalism is outlawed in most countries of the world.
Excellent interview! Thanks.
One of the most interesting interviews I have ever watched. Thanks
Great conversation! Thought provoking!
Yes. The gap is bridged by empathy, and stories are one of the main paths to empathy.
I know I only graduated from a community college ( which is sneered at by most of you reading this), but my final research paper was about the cruelty of the poultry industry, (An industry so sadistic that we need a new word to describe that level of human depravity), and it’s effects on society.
In other words, how we treat the least of us is how you will eventually be treated.
I wrote that paper 12 years ago and what I predicted is happening so fast even I am somewhere astonished. The affluent middle class and wealthy think their lifestyles are a buffer to the suffering that is barreling down upon us, but in the end the dogs will eat the master.
wonderful & interesting discussion
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Terrific interview, put novel on library list. Horrifically, a Spanish company is planning to open the world's first commercial octopus farm-an octopus factory farm- in the Canary Islands in 2023. I'm working in my state, WA, to pre-emptively ban octopus farming and/or the sale of imported, farmed octopus meat
Goodness, is the anything humans won't farm? Hi, fellow Washingtonian here, how can I and others be a part of keeping octopus farming from taking root?
That's horrific we literally all know the superior intelligence of the Octopus and many other of nature's creations, but then again Mexico would allow considering the president want to fight the Cartel with hugs and stop and have killed many a journalist. The depravity and corruption should have USA ending all ties with Mexico and Cartels are breaking a major agreement We've made with the devil's entity known to us as the Cartels.
I'm sorry for those good humans living in Mexico for your suffering on many various levels due to the Cartels and USA continued acceptance of doing business with Mexico long as we do business now a days especially with Mexico the reality we all. Know is, is that we are literally doing business with, and through manufacturing we are funding the Cartels, if Meth is what north Americans want so much and the money so good for all involved and easy enough to make or it used to be that we allow carte.s smuggling it to continue even though now they are killing North Americans and don't care because they now sell drugs in farther places making way more money.
If USA citizens could have Sudafed back and make their own that puts end to most business with Cartel then just close borders for awhile, or really enforce comp,incest with laws and agreements like Cartel cannot murder USA citizens or we will. Send in our military. That's literally an agreement made and the rules have far been broken and soo many innocent have died. Octopus farming anywhere is unacceptable it's all unacceptable. Animals have personalities.
Ottoman Empire kidnapped and had white and black slaves for very long time so I'm glad to hear they were good to the animals...
Blah blah blah humans we're not superior over animals or one another in fact the thought literally proves how bottom parasitic we are. A very suicidal self harming g species and I think it's gotten worse .Ike subconsciously we know in order to stop hate and maybe even save Earth we must remove most humans unfortunately it's the greed for money humans and those who suffer true God complex and ego that may get to come back to Earth after the continue the rest of us to kill ourselves sacrificing planet Earth as well, because they can rocket away for awhile then return and start over with their robots probably controlling them from moon or space station type place so robots don't kill, them. Making Earth a realtime experiment huh makes you start to wonder doesn't it. Maybe we are going back in time currently and robots were the beginning and they just became more and more human like to a fault and that's why we're so destructive literally to everything g surrounding us that or subconsciously those that aren't in 1% are all working slaves that given sense of freedom and pretend wages we just give back to owners through groceries, utilities taxes and medical care and housing. Feeling fee because we can walk around enough to spend money freely on their products and steal and kil, eachother for their products to sell for money to again buy their products. Unless you own housing utilities or convinced society to be dependent on your product then you a slave, so Cartels must be part of the 1%
As always wonderful
Glad to see that Chris refers to the book “Other Minds;” it’s a truly amazing and beautiful work
I am buying these books!
Fascinatingly unique perspective of combining 3 narratives in one book. My dream is to write a book, and Ray has given a key for the format of it. This interview is so informative as well. Thank you, Chris for brining Ray to the discussion.
Fantastic interview!
Love this! Used to conduct scuba night dives with these incredible creatures.
You’re a lucky man.
Wowww, this is amazing!!!! Always happy to see your gorgeous head of an egg
This is not the usual sort of thing that I watch.. But Am glad I did .. I found it fascinating ..
Enjoyed this. Highly recommend, we must see beyond ourselves and think collectively as a species.
....wow...! I've got to get that book now!
THANKS, CHRIS!
Thanks very much for hosting this interview on TRNN. I wasn't able to watch it when it first aired because it took so long to render. I immediately bought the novel and am around 30% into it.
Thanks Chris I’m a big octopus fan and a big empathy fan down with disparity I’m sure you know the deal of the different ways that Aristotle and James Madison view disparity and democracy
While considering the octopus I considered one of the pages from the book cows and pigs make the earth warm which I would love to send you a copy of where a young black girl looks in the eyes of a cow and decides she can never eat anything with eyes and a smile again well thanks for today’s report peace and love save the world end The wars
Chris Hedges is a vegan ;)
cows are totally lovely, they like music, and pigs are cool.
it's a real tragedy, but we are made like that, so many species are predators.
I would like to see a change, but as chris tells, the habits of a majority hardly ever change.
@@neovxr TRUE BUT WE ARE THE ONLY SPECIES CAPABLE OF REALIZING THAT ONLY A BUNCH OF SELFAABSORBED, SELFSERVING, NARCISISTIC ASSHOLES WOULD DECIDE THAT WE ARE THE ONLY CREATURES ON THE PLANET DESERVING OF LIFE AND DARE I SAY IT, HUMANE TREATMENT. WOLFS DONT THINK ABOUT THAT. THEY JUST WANT TO LICK THEMSELVES AND BECAUSE THEY CAN OF COURSE AND GET SOMETHING TO EAT.; ALSO DID YOU KNOW THAT DEODERANT WAS FIRST DEVELOPED AS A MARINADE BECAUSE FOOD WAS SCARCE IN CITIES AND PEOPLE STINK. THERE IS NO END TO HUMAN CONSUMPTION. COWSANDPIGSMAKETHEEARTHWARM
If we lock the girl and the cow in a kitchen for three weeks without provisions I'll give you 10:1 odds on the cow. Betting is now open. I tell you, you're going to make some easy money sir. I've seen this cow and I can tell you it's a fighter.
Neovxr, well, it's not the majority we should concern ourselves with so much as the individual. Once enough individuals learns and improves or transcends, we can actually support change as it should be supported.. by unanimity. We will inevitably transcend, as every species evolves.
The " well it's just not that way so let's not try very hard" line is quite dismissive and lazy.
The problem with dystopian future novels is it's really hard to imagine how the world can be any worse.
Example 1984 ( gorge Orwell) and Fahrenheit 451> we are now living those fiction novels
@@raymundogonzalez6450 Orwell could never have imagined Facebook or Twitter
@@nickjohnson3619 No but he was an expert on propaganda and how political groups and people in power exploit and influence messaging in media.
@@nickjohnson3619 Sure, Orwell could have EASILY imagined these social constructs. What he probably could not imagine is the power and influence masses of people yield to it voluntarily: something so basic & unimpressive.
@@MX-S I think Animal Farm may indicate Orwell had a pretty good grasp of it, but yes, something so basic & unimpressive 👌
lovely conversation!
Corpoctopusnopolis!
I did not expect to see this at all. 😂
*_"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn."_*
What’s being said, relative to the relationship between humans and octopuses can be equally applied to a creature known in some places by the name, “Sasquatch”.
We’ve failed to emphasize with something intelligent that has a very narrow yet clear understanding of our behavior but it’s based on an unfair representation due to not exploring the possibility of other living things needing us to show our ability to have compassion and feel regret, solely through the ignorance of believing that no other living entity could possibly process enough information to make this a possibility.
I think more humans have the empathy for fellow creatures of the earth than is given credit.
I agree 💯
Very interesting stuff. One thing I want to point out. Orca (killer whale) pods have their own distinct languages and arguably their own cultures. Unlike the octopus information is passed down from generation to generation. Each pod also has a very distinct call when pods team up to hunt. Certain distinct pods will hunt by beaching themselves and there is a sort of "right of Passage" for younger whales who are brave enough to hunt this way. Not every younger member attempts this but those who do are then trained and taught. The "teacher" whale will even set up practice sessions with a floating ball of seaweed and branches and position them at the distance most effective for trapping and catching prey. They have brains much bigger and more complex than ours! So there you have it! We are not all that alone!
Bottlenose dolphins have different languages or dialects, and we can at least pick out their names from all those whistles and clicks. I haven't read it, but maybe this book regards octopodes because they have potential to build things.
Orca brains are more complex than human ones in what way? Clearly we can do all of those things and sooo much more.
More complex than ours? I wonder if you even know what you just wrote
What makes their brains more complex then humans? That is a silly to say given how little we know about how even human brains actually work and we don't actually know what kind of mind orcas have developed
(the mind is not the brain. It's the gestalt process the brain performs, mind is the software running on the brain hardware).
Watch Derek and Clive _'The Prince of Whales'_ and then we'll talk.
Fascinating discussion and a book I look forward to reading. The impossibility of experiencing the world "outside" of our brain's interpretations has always fascinated me. And the truly alien - that for which there is no point of reference - as the greatest human fear has also been a ontological preoccupation of mine.
Thank you so much, Mr. Hedges. Over the years I've read a number of books written by the authors you have interviewed, and I'll soon be looking for this one.
Thank you for the lesson about octopuses! I have a small pond in the yard stocked with goldfish and am discovering that these beautiful and resilient fish are also intelligent and playful as well.
See how they like music. I've heard of some fish enjoying Bach and going nuts when exposed to heavy-metal.
@@siyaindagulag. I'm sure they'd love melodious vibes, as our late dog loved to listen to Mozart piano concertos.
great discussion. so uplifting and inspirational
What a 🤢 name you have 😏
fascinating revelations. will definitely get both books recommended here. wie immer Chris - thank you...
Just bought this for my Kindle based on your interview. It’s my first dip into fiction in many years.
Very imaginative and interesting! Octupus, totally smart. Can't wait to read the book.
i am so grateful for Chris Hedges and his ability and courage to make the connections between the categories of ideas that unless synthesized are sources of violence and ignorance.. an example is the general ambivalence and disconnect between the systems of violence we live in and the violence we do to other species.
it is a deeply unpopular and inconvenient insight because it forces us to critique ourselves as well as the world around us.
finally surrendering our mistaken conviction that our violence is justified, natural and inevitable
Highly recommend "My Octopus Friend" if no one's seen it!
'The Soul of the Octopus' is a great read too. Very deep.
Octopus: the Albert Einsteins of the mollusk world. There are squids that already communicate using the bioluminescence of their skin.
Don't insult the octopus.
And the macaques are already communicating by screeching and flashing their genitals to each other. Imagine the sophistication of the output if we could harness millions of them to typewriters. Chris Hedges would be out of a job. Be careful what you wish for.
Great conversation as Spain is opening an octupus factory farm Can we be smarter by eating octupus. Eating buffalo hasn’t made us stronger. Eating chickens hasn’t made us made better mothers. Eating fish hasn’t made us better swimmers. Octupus farm? New exploitation market towards what????
I've eaten delicious octupus in Spain. It's one of the most popular tapas so not surprising they now have a farm. Too bad they are going industrial as that's a harsh existence and will diminish the quality but fish and probably octopods will no longer exist in a few decades. We've basically killed off most life in the ocean so farming them is the only way to continue eating them.
@@DeeMarie111 You've correctly identified the inevitable future state.
What's your prescription to salvage maritime agriculture?
Capitalism is going to destroy the entire planet.
I think I'm going to buy the book.
I suspect I am insane, but Chris Hedges reminds me of a time when I wasn't.
You have to be pyschotic to buy into consumer culture, if not you have to live in a state of traumatized disbelief fighting to maintain your sanity in a world that lacks humanity
Then you are most certainly insane
@@GlobalDrifter1000 or sanely uncertain mostly? 🤺
Nicely crafted comment 🎯 I read your poetry, 📜You could just be ubersane. Anyway Chris is the 💣
Interesting interview. Thank you Mr. Hedges. What about birds, particularly Corvids & Psittacines. They have language, make & use complex tools, have better facial recognition then computer programs, solve very complex programs, live in complex societies, & use symbols. They continually extend language. Irene Pepperburg at University of Arizona has proven their intelligence & ability. Btw, she graduated from MIT, I think she has a Postgraduate Degree in Chemistry from MIT.
So do chickens. They are the smartest of all our domestic species and the most affectionate and cleanest.
Yet look at the beyond sadistic ways we treat them.
"We don't fear the end of the world - we fear the end of the world as we know it."
Whoa! Deep...
Peace on Earth will happen when we learn to treat animals with respect and kindness.
Humans are animals; ask a biology teacher (cephalopod or human).
@@horaceosirian8993I know humans are animals.
This is a fantastic interview, well done to you both. What excellent topics, what a brilliant writer,and mind. This interview is way too difficult for most to grasp finally another person who thinks like us.
Another meaningful video by Chris Hedges
So I guess the song by the Beatles, "Octopus Garden " did actually have deep meaning imbedded between the lines.
...I guess it's nice to hear honesty about how humans suck. It gets really old hearing that people are "basically good," when I can guarantee you that's not what I've witnessed or experienced.
There's a great Jacques Cousteau episode about octopus someone uploaded to YT search on Octopus, Octopus. Episode 20 of 37, Jacques Cousteau Odyssey. The real Life Aquatic
EDIT PS: Oh, and in case Jacques Cousteau isn't cool enough for you that episode is narrated by none other than the Twilight Zone's Rod Serling. One of his last before he succumbed to the tobacco.
That's extra elementary dear Doktor- will check that out- thanx. ....🐙....
Thanks Guys :) - that was great! - m.
Thanks
Cross species communication is the ultimate achievement
yes, communication And Empathy. enough to realize that we are different and part of the same One, We live in peace allowing all creatures to live in dignity WE all have plant-based diets generation after generation we advance in every way because we are no longer spending time energy resources on killing each other. Our Reptilian brains turn completely off and eventually die out too. The Almighty looks at HUMANs who no longer kill hating and cause suffering, then he takes his rib back. We are God.😅
Well all you need is a model of how sound or images are processed in say elephants or birds in their sense organs then translate it to ours. I know dolphin language is 2D unlike our 1D language so to talk to dolphins we need to convert their sounds into images.
Very interesting! Thanks! ❤🙏
two thumbs UP
Yes. The slave sailors.
My favorite novelist, the amazing B Traven, has novel The Death Ship. It is about that very thing; slavery on a horrible ship, inability to land anywhere without papers.
This novel is from like 1929
This was different and very interesting and enjoyable.
Good show.
Chris Hedges, I wish you would address the issue of MMT, or Modern Monetary Theory. If accurate, I can't think of anything more important to understand.
#learnMMT
Excellent guest / book / interview!
Somehwhat related interview request: Ed Yong "An Immense World"
I saw a clip on a YT chanel called the the Dodo.
Person found a small octopus in a shrinking tide pool.
Picked it gently out, walked over to the surf and released it.
The person watched it swim/crawl off a short way and then the creature swam back and grabbed the person's foot for a moment then swam off for good.
I knew they were smart animals but that blew my mind.
After watching "My Octopus Teacher" I quit eating octupus. It's like eating dogs! Don't call me crazy until you see MOT!!
Honestly this argument could be applied to almost any creature humans eat. Especially cows.
Agree. I'm vegan for life.
Il sistema naturale è brillante su tanti livelli. La sapienza dei polpi è soltanto un'aspetto. My octopus teacher (Il mio polpo insegnante) is well worth a look on Netflix.
Never seen this channel but did an experiment and typed " real news " In search. This was the first video oct 7 22
The octopus is my favorite animal
We killed the other human species, but what were “we” supposed to be guided by? Of course, the horrid march to autocracy-slavery is disturbing.
The book seems very interesting.
I trust Octopus language way more than the Ouija board meeting. Don't play with the Ouija board. But do what you want. Thank you for reminding me to breathe and see what happens.
IM WAS FISHERMAN AND PIVER THEY ARE REALY MISTERY I DONT EAT OCTOPUS ANY MORE WHAT I SEE IS INCREDIBILE
sorry for my english
reminds me of the words of krishnamurti. ("we dread the truly new..." etc.)
We have met the Lovecraftian horror, and it is us.
The original Star Trek episode 'By Any Other Name' explores a race of aliens, similar to octopus, from our nearest neighbor galaxy, Andromeda, that have taken human form, so as to seize the Enterprise. Spock indicates in part of his dialogue, the Kelvans were "actually huge creatures with hundreds of tentacles" (Wikipedia).
We have more in common than many like to acknowledge. Prestigious universities have studied this. Chickens have a complex system of communication and can work a thermostat. Pigs can play computer games, something dogs can't do. Cows form lifelong friendships and recognize a human face after many years.
This was incredibly interesting.
From the lowest staging site in Europa's ice, we are just above the surface of the water, preparing a mission into the depths.
There is evidence of a mollusk like higher life form similar to that of a cephalopod.
The water is roiling, (eerie music plays in the background)
In a whispering voice.... "Let's get out of here?"
what a wonderful interview, ive immediately downloaded both books and plan to seek out 'my octopus teacher' on netflix. THANKYOU SO MUCH
Man it would be AWESOME if Chris would have a serious discussion with Jordan Peterson! There's so much for them to discuss. They really travel on strangely parallel courses.
Chris E-ffing brilliant just bought the book it will be here tomorrow hard cover no less (the one day delivery got me) how about that ! great find ! kudos to you
This deserves an entire essay to respond. To cut it down to a few sentences, I suggest understanding sentient beings via Gary Francione & thus understanding speciesism. But he is certainly not complete by any stretch of the imagination. I would make Abundant Earth (Eileen Crist) a *must read*--there's a free online pdf. Overrated is human language. Our runaway technology is not something to glorify. Quite the contrary.