English is not my native language, sometimes I have trouble understanding what people say in English. That's why I love that you speak so slowly and clearly, I can understand everything perfectly, keep it up. Besides, it's a nice video, I finally found out what this ghost do. I was always afraid to take him 😅.
Bleed oil now grants fire immunity. I'd move this up to god tier at this point: obviously fire immunity is great but now you also bleed oil that can be on fire and damage enemies around you as well.
@@novatrace5660 it's never going to go above exceptional if oil is slippery and flammable. since fire sets off explosions. now if it granted explosion immunity... explosions are dangerous, so dangerous that 40% reduction is still enough threat especially if you are more likely to cause explosions, so you'd need explosion immunity which requires 2 perks. If you need 2 perks to make it useful, why not just have fire and explosion immunity instead? Also I believe oil conducts electricity, so you'd like electric immunity as well. You can also kill allies and flasks. It's probably low good tier right now. Also fire everywhere makes your computer slower and the particles that can kill you harder to see.
@@mikejohnstonbob935 ive heard this joke about computer slower multiple times. Ive had no issues with the game on a average system? Ive yet to make late game tho
@@mikejohnstonbob935 That is assuming your bleeding enough to make that much oil. IMO if Im bleeding that much im more worried about whats making me bleed. otherwise its basically free fire immunity. I would put it next to fire immunity or at most 1 level lower.
> be me, recently got Noita > pick angry ghost, cause why not? > try to teleport away from danger > angry ghost copies teleport spell, targeting enemies > am now on top of enemies instead of away from them I lost that run
@@shishkebabro The reason for that is that you _always_ want to take top-tier perks, no matter how late in the game; that's why they're top-tier to begin with. Even with TWWE encountered at the last Holy Mountain you might want to go back an area or two and pick up all the potentially useful spells/modifiers from the wands randomly lying around to prepare for the last boss if you're on a high-orb run, or you might want to explore some more areas for fun or challenges, so it never truly has _zero_ value (let alone negative) no matter how late you take it. Perk Lottery is very different because its expected value scales quite sharply depending on where in the run you take it, and this value can be assessed mathematically, though it obviously goes beyond just slapping a 1.75x multiplier on it and calling it a day like the napkin math would suggest. Your expected return is directly influenced by the value of perks themselves, and you can more or less quantify this fairly by separating perks into tiers where the higher tiers have exponentially more value (so, say, first-tier perks are worth two second-tier perks each and four third-tier perks each, with bottom tier being strictly negative value and second-to-bottom being zero value due to being about as situationally detrimental as they are situationally helpful). Add to this that some of the perks have shifting value due to being mutually exclusive or having potential (anti-)synergy with other perks (e.g. some defensive perks make a full step up in value with Projectile Repulsion Field or Fire Immunity present, and some become completely useless with Freeze Field). Finally, keep in mind that pretty much all the best perks (immunities, TWWE, All-Seeing Eye) aren't stackable but a lot of the filler ones are, and you _can_ receive repeats without going to PWs even though they will have lower weight in the pick pool. And since you will always take the most valuable pick first, by all means, most of the _extra_ picks you will get through PL will have lower value than your first, so the overall added value is not 0.75 but in fact roughly somewhere between 0.2 and 0.5 given the difference in value. So let's be conservative and put it as 0.33; in other words, you're getting 1.33 times the perks by value in every subsequent HM after you've picked up PL. You can tweak this correction factor to your liking, but it will always be significantly below 0.75 because that assumes you will always receive extra perks just as valuable as your first picks which is simply not the case. With all that in mind, there is a total of seven Holy Mountains in the game. At the first HM the potential benefit of PL is nowhere short of enormous, with only TWWE being comparable, since you can expect to get ten extra perks on average (~8 when corrected for value), and potentially get a shot at more than one first- or second-tier perk at a time which is great all by itself. It is similar at the second HM in that TWWE is probably the only perk I'd still take over PL there just because of how stupidly convenient it is. But around the third, PL already drops a full step in priority, since at that point you will only have four opportunities left to take advantage of it, and that would mean an average return of just over 5. Now, this might still seem like a good value out of context, but at this point if you choose PL over an actual top-tier perk like Fire/Melee immunity or TWWE there's just _no reasonable way you'd make up that loss_ since they often make the run by themselves and the probability to get them in a single no-PW run is so low to begin with. At the fourth HM (~4 extra perks return) even many second-tier perks like PRF, Toxic Immunity, Faster Wands, Vampirism, etc. become a more attractive value proposition as well. At the fifth the added value is already filler-tier because any upper-tier perk will have more impact on the rest of the game than the average 2-3 extra picks you'll get out of PL at this point. At the sixth it is zero _at best._ Finally, at the last HM it becomes _strictly negative_ unlike any other high- or even mid-tier perk, because whether you decide to explore some more or fight the final boss right away you'll have essentially forfeited a perk pickup. Obviously, for the same reasons its _priority_ scales much higher on a PW run, but since on a PW run you'll be expected to eventually take every good perk anyway, the average expected return is mainly limited to extra stackable perks, so it's again lower than may seem on paper. tl;dr Perk Lottery is incredibly good if taken early on, but falls off much quicker than actual god-tier perks.
@@moozooh Perk Lottery is the best perk, I don't see a reason not to take it? worst case scenario you miss out on edit wands which is the 2nd best perk imo which also has workarounds like teleporting out and into temples with spells, return spells, black holes to dig out, teleportatium, (obviously not taking edit wands is less convenient, but the work arounds for not taking perk lottery is going to more parallel worlds which is easily much less convenient) and besides that, best case scenario you get all three perks from the one temple resulting in Perk Lottery and Edit wands and X at the same time. Plus I might be missing something but after you finish the game the first few times, excluding runs where you're specifically going for the pillar achievements like sub 1 minute, sub 5 minute runs, why wouldn't your runs continue past the tower and into parallel worlds to get more perks anyway? (unless all the achievement pillars are complete but even then getting out of the tower and getting super OP is more fun imo) Perk lottery just speeds up your ability to get perks which is never a bad thing unless you're already at endgame maxed out perks with all immunities and everything you'd ever want. There's just so many more work arounds for not having Edit Wands that Perk Lottery is the only perk I'd take over everything without thinking about it.
I agree. Picked it up and right away got to take the other two perks that were there as well. They were bad perks in my case, but if you get lucky with that it could be amazing.
Here are some synergies and strats ive found both good and bad: Homunculus will attack you if you have Plague Rats. Gasfire will ignite steam, turning it to water, which will drip like rain. Not great if you have invisibility. repulsion field and glitter trail makes the glitter 'pushable'. have fun. 'No more worm digging' does not affect the dragon. repelling cape works on poison and fire but only if you are moving around. homing and glitter trail make for a deadly weapon No more Knockback prevents you from becoming 'stunned' during flight , falling back to the ground as a result of being hit by something. not fun if you fall into a pit of enemies.(Edit: I find myself doubting this observation but have not yet found it again to confirm) telekenetic kick and invisibility work very nice together. throwing actions dont unveil you. anything else seems obvious or already mentioned, these are just what ive noticed personally that ive never heard mentioned before. Great Video McQueeb! maybe do a video about how different perks lose value or gain value over time. example: perk reroll or extra perk slot become less valuable the further into the run you are, vampirism becomes more costly when you have more health, repulsion field with bombs and stuff. PS, why isnt electricity immunity in god tier? its basically the most instakill run ending damage that i fear the most, even even more then explosion immunitys value or even melee immunity, electricity immunity is better.
if that knockback thing is true, then thats gonna be super great, because the stun is like the most frustrating thing for me, especially when fighting the hiisi
@@marcello9476 hahah, I remember when in the temple of the art, there is a floating crystal (it's called dormant crystal). If you let it to get close and shoot when you stay on the ground, it can just stunlock you for the whole eternity. That how my trick blood money with 940 health and good wands run got ruined. Just full 940 health just got destroyed, because I didn't had no more knockback.
I think you need another Category: "Situational" Also Exploding gold serves no purpose other than to detonate things and start fires. It's useless at best. I'd have put it in detrimental~~~
"it doesn't seem to teleport you into terrain, I don't think it's even possible" Meanwhile I get stuck in a brickwork shortly after picking this thing for the 1st time and receive a rainstorm of hissi grenades while trying to get out
I've made it more robust since the perk's intial release. It should be smarter in avoiding the walls and as an additional safeguard it also clears a tiny bit of space so getting stuck should be exceedingly rare if not practically impossible now. I think (but I'm not 100% sure) the fix should be in the released betas now.
From time to time it can really screw you over, but I can't repeat enough - it saved my bacon much more often. The worst thing that it did to me - teleported into lava fall during final boss fight.
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Always nice to have a pro talk about their thoughts on game options. Also I love how you thoroughly explain the ups and downs of the perks, that way even if we as viewers might disagree on one or two placements, it doesn't actually matter, because you're letting us make informed decisions rather than a blanket "this is good, this is bad". Thanks dude!
An interesting fact about the Peace With Gods perk is that any Steves that you encounter will fight for you, and is a good perk to grab if you plan on using the tower
Ah, I'm early. I beat the game once, got lucky with really good perks.. then found out I've only uncovered like, 10% of the game lol Crazy how much content it has
My first win felt so scuffed. I got a wand with super/boomerang sawblades and found a teleportatium flask in the mines. Just warped to the bottom and erased the boss. I learned nothing from the experienced.
Hey mcqueeb I’ve found out that “concentrated spells” & extra “knockback on spells” perks give extra damage more damage to spells Boomerang &/or bouncy spells perks can also make chainsaw, luminous drill, and any other similar spells into projectile spells, which is quite fun
Current beta has all of the revenge perks gaining some resistances as well, which changes them a good bit IMO: Revenge bullets - 20% explosion and projectile resistance Revenge tentacle - 25% projectile resist Revenge explosion - 25% explosion resistance, explosion doesn't directly harm you and cannot directly set you on fire anymore Given that NG+ multiplies the damage taken from every source, any run entering NG+ can benefit from the perks that confer projectile resistance (massively so if you're taking Phasing, Projectile Repulsion Field, anything else that weakens you to projectiles). I don't know if they'll be in this exact form when they come into the release branch, but these revenge perks are really quite handy for the resistances, and they're not as shabby as they used to be :D
Fun fact about the Homunculus: If they kill an enemy, it seems to count as a trick kill. Only reason I realized this is the first time I had this perk and Invisibility (thus was encouraged to simply sneak past enemies rather than fight them), I got the "pacifist chest" even though the Homunculus definitely killed some enemies. And it did not break my invisibility, meaning this may be a decent combo. Not sure if this would apply to the Angry Ghost, haven't tried this perk out yet.
I've done some experimenting, and in current release (non beta), extra mana will *not* reduce your wand to zero capacity. I stacked like ten of them on the bomb wand and never went below one capa.
Great Video! The one perk I disagree with is teleportitis dodge, as its field is large enough that I often get teleported into a projectile that I would have dodged.
Homunculus no longer pick up wands folks, instead they have 4 different projectiles that do tons of damage to the enemy and they can easily one shot a bunch of the hissi base enemies, just wanted to let everyone know
It's worth noting that High Gravity makes dodging in mid-air much easier, especially Hiisi bullets, but requires Strong or Fast levitation to be amazing. One of the biggest reasons for easier dodging is that basically you can fall on command and without it makes you a stationary target for a split second. Most useful in Ice Caverns, Unerground Jungle and the Vault.
Vampirism can be tricky to use, but I personally think it's a great perk if you can get it early in the run so that it only takes a single health up to get you back to your starting health or higher. It becomes less useful the longer a run goes, but being able to heal yourself is still very helpful. I'd have it in "somewhat useful" personally.
Angry Ghost is great! It can fire projectiles as fast as your current wand can, and copies any projectile recently produced. so you can fire a single bomb, then dry fire your fastest wand and the ghost will continuously spawn bombs! I died quite spectacularly in that run.
always cast is a god tier perk for me. (or maybe exceptional because of consistency). Its the largest source of op wands that i can think of. You just take your fastest wand and slap that perk on and theres a good chance itll either carry you through the game or give you a good laugh
Someone else commented that the downside is that it spreads fire EVERYWHERE and makes explosions much more likely. Since to mitigate this you’d need explosion resistance it’s a bit of a risk, and having both perks you might as well have fire resistance instead (although the inverse is also true, if you have explosion and don’t get fire resistance but you see this it might be worth picking up)
Trick Blood Money + Unlimited Spells enables some fun shenanigans. Currently using infinite Homing Propane Tank spells to farm all the gold and healing I could ever want!
I’ve had the wonderful experience of having angry ghost with a drill wand allowing me to rapid fire enemy projectiles. I died but the four minutes of rapid firing dynamite made me feel like a god.
Great list! I still disagree with perk reroll not being the best and melee immunity being good, but I see your perspective, so it's alright. As for new ones, good placements as well. For me, gas fire is a little eh and isn't above good at all, but, for hitless runs, that's very useful. I'd also put peaceful steve and remove lukki and worm digging to detrimental, but only for myself and for those who arent afaird of gods. On your tier list, which is going out to many new players, the placement is good.
The one problem I have the most with the perk that spawns concentrated mana off of enemies is that in the Snowy Depths it turns to freezing liquid. Ended two of my runs already by accidentally coming into contact with it because I am busy kiting enemies that aren't dead..
I've heard that Oil blood has a hidden explosion dmg resistance (bit like slime bloods projectile dmg resistance). If that's not just a myth, in combination with Explosion immunity being in the highest tier, it'll be really hard to argue for Oil blood to be the lowest tier. {Edit: I heard from Alias that it's dmg reduction has been replaced by fire immunity instead in Beta branch.} Another niche advantage of the perk is that if you have Freeze field, Oil blood will make it so your blood doesn't freeze. Freeze field being a perk I would rate quite a bit higher as wel. :-p How I've understood kills to mana is that it only gives you the stain, I haven;t noticed it making you actually drip the liquid.
I'm not sure explosion resistance is so great, given that many explosions are also fire producing I can see oil blood kinda defeating itself. Giving fire immunity on the other hand would be much more interesting, would make it like how "lightning" compares to the lightning immunity perk.
I think you missed one... I saw a perk today (13 Nov 2020) that was a projectile repulsion field segment that looked like it was either on the end of the wand or attached to each projectile (I didn't pick it, as alternative was God Tier). I was running Cheat GUI, but I don't believe by default that any perks are added by that mod. Edit: you're still a damn legend for that first no-hit run :)
So maybe it changed or most people don’t realize it, but “oil blood” on top of the explosion resistance makes you totally IMMUNE to fire. It absolutely is not detrimental, especially when fire immunity is so good.
Kills to Mana just adds the stain effect of concentrated mana to the player without actually spawning any in the world as far as I can tell, so it shouldn't cause melting of metal or any of the other effects concentrated mana now has.
I could be wrong but I think kills to mana just douses you in mana and doesnt spawn any liquid so it wont destroy terrain the real downside is that it will be removed by other liquids so it wont work in water and blood baths
I'm not sure if it's a recent change or it always was that way but: Oil blood gives you fire immunity, it's a bit annoying to be a bit slippery at times but if you are flying it's no different than fire immunity, and if you don't get shot to the face by a grenadier then you won't be slippery to begin with. it has around the same hazardous nature as "fire gas" except it's already giving you fire resistance.
Seems like the Homunculus also attacks you when you attack them? I had a run ended after picking up the Homunculus while having the angry ghost perk. The ghost accidentally attacked the Homunculu who decided to attack and kill me.
Did Angry Ghost get some sort of hot fix? Every time I took it immediately after 1.0 release, it seemed to do absolutely nothing but look cute. I have avoided it since, but maybe they fixed it?
I got numerous clips of player dying because of the angry ghost : If you shoot a teleport, he will shoot teleports to enemies. If you shoot a fireball (explosive), he will shoot it too, but he will NOT try to avoid the wall that is close to you. As for disks that will bump back to you :)
I dunno, some of the Little Value and Detrimental should be in a different category. The "Silly"/Fun category tbh. Do you have a Noita Spells Tier List as well?
11:00 i just want to say that homing + laser emiter with this perk is crazy broken. If you shoot for example 2 spells that cast laser emitter after hit you can oneshoot your enemy even if you miss.
Increase gravity I might be wrong on this one but I think most projectiles that are impacted by gravity will fall quicker and many monsters will miss you by a great margin, that being said your projectiles will be impacted as well.
Projectile Duplication has this weird downside of potentially ruining dangerous trigger wands. Unless this has been patched, I've noticed sometimes it will just shoot something out of the player that should only have come out of the trigger spell.
Really nice video ! Since I'm new to the game (haven't played yet, I'm mostly watching your VODs) I would have appreciated if you had made a quick description of the old perks, as I don't know all of them yet
@@McQueeb thank you for the response ! Since those videos were made before the big 1.0 patch I thought the perks had maybe changed, but I guess I'll watch them anyway
I still take Peace with Gods sometimes. I like being able to edit wands whenever I want to, so if I get to the first or second Holy Mountain and have something to cut through brickwork but nothing strong enough to deal with Steve, it can give me a safe way to get reusable Holy Mountains.
Just want to start by saying--good list, I agree with most things there but--Phasing > Projectile Repulsion Field? I feel like Projectile Repulsion field is wayyy better. You basically can't get hit by slow projectiles rather than having a 50/50 with phasing.
@@darkxieon It's amazing, but only in case you get a few of them, so on longer runs its much better, but for most players it's worse because it has weaker combo with dodge and shield
The only spell I’ve really seen it negatively impact the direction/aim of is Black Hole (which, admittedly, is a big one). I agree, however, that it’s still better than phasing.
Happened to me once. I picked up the teleportitis doge perk and it sent me directly into the holy mountain terrain. Now the space I was inside was super narrow, so dodging wasn't too possible. I still like the perk, it helped me with the 3rd biome (frozen wasteland is it, right? I'm still new, only learned about it when it released on steam) and it helped me getting to the jungle biome for the first time. Where I suffocated in the holy mountain. Oh well. Thems the dice.
As I'm playing through (sub 20 hours) I refer to this list when I'm not certain how to build. There seems to be several perks not included; not sure if there's been more added since you made this but Pin Pointer (laser sight on wands) and Extra Item on Holy Mountain aren't on the list I saw some others from my last couple of runs but I've forgotten them specifically.
Angry ghost is so damn awful when it starts copying lightning bolt or the damn lightning wizards projectile. The explosion at the end of lightning bolt is a seperate projectile, so occasionally, angry ghost will just blow up, which will hit you. I've had a run ruined by angry ghost, never again.
The only thing I highly disagree with for sure is the homing shots being exceptional, I think it's straight up detrimental unless you only use attack spells. I love to have a teleport wand and constantly dodge enemies, and one time I had a luminous timer with explosion of brimstone as a combo, which needed me to be close to an enemy to hit obviously, so I would just teleport behind an enemy and BAM... it was epic. I don't know what many of the perks do exactly and I didn't watch your first perk tier list video (or I would've mentioned this there instead), I actually thought this was gonna be a full relisting of every perk with how long it was. 😆 Also I think the wand experimenter perk where you heal from using newly found wands, is absolute hands down top 5 at least best perks in the game, because healing is SO hard to come by and it heals you A TON compared to most methods, as well as being extremely reliable since wands can be found fairly often.
Important thing: No More Knockback is actually pretty exceptional, it does NOT remove wand knockback, only enemy knockback, like stunning (i think) and being thrown around by those grenade Hisii and such!
Remove Worm/Lukki Digging is interesting. I've not found the want to take it, but for those who have -- do you find that worms/spiders are *harder* to hit since they can effectively just hide inside terrain which will block your shots? That's my main concern about it, it sounds like it'd make fights much harder.
Gas fire has the unfortunate side effect of lighting you on fire all the time if you're using an explosive or fire-based wand. The smoke from your wand will catch fire all the time and sap your health over time. At least that was my experience with it, I won't get it any more unless I already have fire immunity.
id move boomerang spells up a little bit. it has a lot of faults with explosives, but the boost in damage is really nice and i prefer machine gun like wands. usually ill get it with some immunity and i become unstoppable.
He had ranked it detrimental in the first video when the game was still in beta and didn't provide fire immunity (it only gave a 40% reduction in explosion damage)
Empty the starting bomb wand, shoot a spell at the angry ghost, then use the empty wand to turn the ghost into a machine gun that uses no mana. Any fast wand works
I don't like how the reload perk is only wands you currently carry instead of any wands you use. IMO that is why it's not that great of a perk, especially early game.
I've only ever seen a streamer take teleportitis dodge one time. It seemed to launch them really randomly, quite some distance, well outside the frame they were in when hit. It looked really awful. I wonder if it's different by seed?
Phasing increases the damage you take from projectiles by 33% as well -- so if the shot makes it through it does pack a punch. I'd pretty much say never take that perk coming into the snowy depths, the sniper bullets really, REALLY hurt with that one.
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English is not my native language, sometimes I have trouble understanding what people say in English. That's why I love that you speak so slowly and clearly, I can understand everything perfectly, keep it up. Besides, it's a nice video, I finally found out what this ghost do. I was always afraid to take him 😅.
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reading this actually put such a fucking huge smile on my face
yeah dude i'm a brazilian and this is fucking good
Bleed oil now grants fire immunity. I'd move this up to god tier at this point: obviously fire immunity is great but now you also bleed oil that can be on fire and damage enemies around you as well.
I see, wondered why he placed it so low, fire is like my number one enemy in the game
Also if it still has 40% explosion resistance it is def god tier
@@novatrace5660 it's never going to go above exceptional if oil is slippery and flammable. since fire sets off explosions. now if it granted explosion immunity...
explosions are dangerous, so dangerous that 40% reduction is still enough threat especially if you are more likely to cause explosions, so you'd need explosion immunity which requires 2 perks. If you need 2 perks to make it useful, why not just have fire and explosion immunity instead?
Also I believe oil conducts electricity, so you'd like electric immunity as well. You can also kill allies and flasks. It's probably low good tier right now. Also fire everywhere makes your computer slower and the particles that can kill you harder to see.
@@mikejohnstonbob935 ive heard this joke about computer slower multiple times. Ive had no issues with the game on a average system? Ive yet to make late game tho
@@mikejohnstonbob935 That is assuming your bleeding enough to make that much oil. IMO if Im bleeding that much im more worried about whats making me bleed. otherwise its basically free fire immunity. I would put it next to fire immunity or at most 1 level lower.
> be me, recently got Noita
> pick angry ghost, cause why not?
> try to teleport away from danger
> angry ghost copies teleport spell, targeting enemies
> am now on top of enemies instead of away from them
I lost that run
Perk lottery really deserves more love
It’s the kinda perk you reroll until you get in the first temple (like many of the other god tier perks)
I think it is so good that i tend to just spawn it in with cheat engine at the start of runs
@@shishkebabro The reason for that is that you _always_ want to take top-tier perks, no matter how late in the game; that's why they're top-tier to begin with. Even with TWWE encountered at the last Holy Mountain you might want to go back an area or two and pick up all the potentially useful spells/modifiers from the wands randomly lying around to prepare for the last boss if you're on a high-orb run, or you might want to explore some more areas for fun or challenges, so it never truly has _zero_ value (let alone negative) no matter how late you take it.
Perk Lottery is very different because its expected value scales quite sharply depending on where in the run you take it, and this value can be assessed mathematically, though it obviously goes beyond just slapping a 1.75x multiplier on it and calling it a day like the napkin math would suggest. Your expected return is directly influenced by the value of perks themselves, and you can more or less quantify this fairly by separating perks into tiers where the higher tiers have exponentially more value (so, say, first-tier perks are worth two second-tier perks each and four third-tier perks each, with bottom tier being strictly negative value and second-to-bottom being zero value due to being about as situationally detrimental as they are situationally helpful). Add to this that some of the perks have shifting value due to being mutually exclusive or having potential (anti-)synergy with other perks (e.g. some defensive perks make a full step up in value with Projectile Repulsion Field or Fire Immunity present, and some become completely useless with Freeze Field). Finally, keep in mind that pretty much all the best perks (immunities, TWWE, All-Seeing Eye) aren't stackable but a lot of the filler ones are, and you _can_ receive repeats without going to PWs even though they will have lower weight in the pick pool. And since you will always take the most valuable pick first, by all means, most of the _extra_ picks you will get through PL will have lower value than your first, so the overall added value is not 0.75 but in fact roughly somewhere between 0.2 and 0.5 given the difference in value. So let's be conservative and put it as 0.33; in other words, you're getting 1.33 times the perks by value in every subsequent HM after you've picked up PL. You can tweak this correction factor to your liking, but it will always be significantly below 0.75 because that assumes you will always receive extra perks just as valuable as your first picks which is simply not the case.
With all that in mind, there is a total of seven Holy Mountains in the game. At the first HM the potential benefit of PL is nowhere short of enormous, with only TWWE being comparable, since you can expect to get ten extra perks on average (~8 when corrected for value), and potentially get a shot at more than one first- or second-tier perk at a time which is great all by itself. It is similar at the second HM in that TWWE is probably the only perk I'd still take over PL there just because of how stupidly convenient it is. But around the third, PL already drops a full step in priority, since at that point you will only have four opportunities left to take advantage of it, and that would mean an average return of just over 5. Now, this might still seem like a good value out of context, but at this point if you choose PL over an actual top-tier perk like Fire/Melee immunity or TWWE there's just _no reasonable way you'd make up that loss_ since they often make the run by themselves and the probability to get them in a single no-PW run is so low to begin with. At the fourth HM (~4 extra perks return) even many second-tier perks like PRF, Toxic Immunity, Faster Wands, Vampirism, etc. become a more attractive value proposition as well. At the fifth the added value is already filler-tier because any upper-tier perk will have more impact on the rest of the game than the average 2-3 extra picks you'll get out of PL at this point. At the sixth it is zero _at best._ Finally, at the last HM it becomes _strictly negative_ unlike any other high- or even mid-tier perk, because whether you decide to explore some more or fight the final boss right away you'll have essentially forfeited a perk pickup.
Obviously, for the same reasons its _priority_ scales much higher on a PW run, but since on a PW run you'll be expected to eventually take every good perk anyway, the average expected return is mainly limited to extra stackable perks, so it's again lower than may seem on paper.
tl;dr Perk Lottery is incredibly good if taken early on, but falls off much quicker than actual god-tier perks.
@@moozooh Perk Lottery is the best perk, I don't see a reason not to take it? worst case scenario you miss out on edit wands which is the 2nd best perk imo which also has workarounds like teleporting out and into temples with spells, return spells, black holes to dig out, teleportatium, (obviously not taking edit wands is less convenient, but the work arounds for not taking perk lottery is going to more parallel worlds which is easily much less convenient) and besides that, best case scenario you get all three perks from the one temple resulting in Perk Lottery and Edit wands and X at the same time. Plus I might be missing something but after you finish the game the first few times, excluding runs where you're specifically going for the pillar achievements like sub 1 minute, sub 5 minute runs, why wouldn't your runs continue past the tower and into parallel worlds to get more perks anyway? (unless all the achievement pillars are complete but even then getting out of the tower and getting super OP is more fun imo) Perk lottery just speeds up your ability to get perks which is never a bad thing unless you're already at endgame maxed out perks with all immunities and everything you'd ever want. There's just so many more work arounds for not having Edit Wands that Perk Lottery is the only perk I'd take over everything without thinking about it.
I agree. Picked it up and right away got to take the other two perks that were there as well. They were bad perks in my case, but if you get lucky with that it could be amazing.
Here are some synergies and strats ive found both good and bad:
Homunculus will attack you if you have Plague Rats.
Gasfire will ignite steam, turning it to water, which will drip like rain. Not great if you have invisibility.
repulsion field and glitter trail makes the glitter 'pushable'. have fun.
'No more worm digging' does not affect the dragon.
repelling cape works on poison and fire but only if you are moving around.
homing and glitter trail make for a deadly weapon
No more Knockback prevents you from becoming 'stunned' during flight , falling back to the ground as a result of being hit by something. not fun if you fall into a pit of enemies.(Edit: I find myself doubting this observation but have not yet found it again to confirm)
telekenetic kick and invisibility work very nice together. throwing actions dont unveil you.
anything else seems obvious or already mentioned, these are just what ive noticed personally that ive never heard mentioned before.
Great Video McQueeb! maybe do a video about how different perks lose value or gain value over time. example: perk reroll or extra perk slot become less valuable the further into the run you are, vampirism becomes more costly when you have more health, repulsion field with bombs and stuff. PS, why isnt electricity immunity in god tier? its basically the most instakill run ending damage that i fear the most, even even more then explosion immunitys value or even melee immunity, electricity immunity is better.
if that knockback thing is true, then thats gonna be super great, because the stun is like the most frustrating thing for me, especially when fighting the hiisi
@@marcello9476 hahah, I remember when in the temple of the art, there is a floating crystal (it's called dormant crystal). If you let it to get close and shoot when you stay on the ground, it can just stunlock you for the whole eternity. That how my trick blood money with 940 health and good wands run got ruined. Just full 940 health just got destroyed, because I didn't had no more knockback.
My homunculus jumped into a pit of berserkium, it was a short run..
If you guys are stuck in a any type of terrain just spam "A" "W" "D" keys, it will make a pocket in it so you don't suffocate.
Thanks i died in Steve's corps because i didn't knew.
I think you need another Category: "Situational"
Also Exploding gold serves no purpose other than to detonate things and start fires. It's useless at best. I'd have put it in detrimental~~~
"it doesn't seem to teleport you into terrain, I don't think it's even possible"
Meanwhile I get stuck in a brickwork shortly after picking this thing for the 1st time and receive a rainstorm of hissi grenades while trying to get out
I got my head stuck in the ceiling because of that perk, and died from suffocation, not gonna take it again...
I've made it more robust since the perk's intial release. It should be smarter in avoiding the walls and as an additional safeguard it also clears a tiny bit of space so getting stuck should be exceedingly rare if not practically impossible now. I think (but I'm not 100% sure) the fix should be in the released betas now.
From time to time it can really screw you over, but I can't repeat enough - it saved my bacon much more often. The worst thing that it did to me - teleported into lava fall during final boss fight.
I watched a friend get teleported deep into a pool of lava. It was the end of his run.
Now do a tier list of how fun the perks are
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Always nice to have a pro talk about their thoughts on game options. Also I love how you thoroughly explain the ups and downs of the perks, that way even if we as viewers might disagree on one or two placements, it doesn't actually matter, because you're letting us make informed decisions rather than a blanket "this is good, this is bad".
Thanks dude!
An interesting fact about the Peace With Gods perk is that any Steves that you encounter will fight for you, and is a good perk to grab if you plan on using the tower
Ah, I'm early.
I beat the game once, got lucky with really good perks.. then found out I've only uncovered like, 10% of the game lol
Crazy how much content it has
Ive beaten the game once... im way too self homicidal
My first win felt so scuffed. I got a wand with super/boomerang sawblades and found a teleportatium flask in the mines.
Just warped to the bottom and erased the boss. I learned nothing from the experienced.
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the "No More Knock Back" perk only negates enemy's knock back against you
came here to say this. It doesn't affect recoil from firing your own wands at all
Yeah, it's really helpful when you get overwhelmed by enemies, no more getting knocked around like a freefall ragdoll
Hey mcqueeb I’ve found out that “concentrated spells” & extra “knockback on spells” perks give extra damage more damage to spells
Boomerang &/or bouncy spells perks can also make chainsaw, luminous drill, and any other similar spells into projectile spells, which is quite fun
Teleportatis dodge is bad if your going to the alternative worlds it directly teleports you to the home world
Current beta has all of the revenge perks gaining some resistances as well, which changes them a good bit IMO:
Revenge bullets - 20% explosion and projectile resistance
Revenge tentacle - 25% projectile resist
Revenge explosion - 25% explosion resistance, explosion doesn't directly harm you and cannot directly set you on fire anymore
Given that NG+ multiplies the damage taken from every source, any run entering NG+ can benefit from the perks that confer projectile resistance (massively so if you're taking Phasing, Projectile Repulsion Field, anything else that weakens you to projectiles).
I don't know if they'll be in this exact form when they come into the release branch, but these revenge perks are really quite handy for the resistances, and they're not as shabby as they used to be :D
Also in the current beta - oil blood confers fire immunity ;)
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Fun fact about the Homunculus: If they kill an enemy, it seems to count as a trick kill. Only reason I realized this is the first time I had this perk and Invisibility (thus was encouraged to simply sneak past enemies rather than fight them), I got the "pacifist chest" even though the Homunculus definitely killed some enemies. And it did not break my invisibility, meaning this may be a decent combo. Not sure if this would apply to the Angry Ghost, haven't tried this perk out yet.
I've done some experimenting, and in current release (non beta), extra mana will *not* reduce your wand to zero capacity. I stacked like ten of them on the bomb wand and never went below one capa.
Great Video! The one perk I disagree with is teleportitis dodge, as its field is large enough that I often get teleported into a projectile that I would have dodged.
an anger perk that gives you the berserk status effect when you take damage would be sweet
there's a mod with that perk
Homunculus no longer pick up wands folks, instead they have 4 different projectiles that do tons of damage to the enemy and they can easily one shot a bunch of the hissi base enemies, just wanted to let everyone know
It's worth noting that High Gravity makes dodging in mid-air much easier, especially Hiisi bullets, but requires Strong or Fast levitation to be amazing. One of the biggest reasons for easier dodging is that basically you can fall on command and without it makes you a stationary target for a split second. Most useful in Ice Caverns, Unerground Jungle and the Vault.
Gosh this video has such a relaxed vibe.
Vampirism can be tricky to use, but I personally think it's a great perk if you can get it early in the run so that it only takes a single health up to get you back to your starting health or higher. It becomes less useful the longer a run goes, but being able to heal yourself is still very helpful. I'd have it in "somewhat useful" personally.
Angry Ghost is great! It can fire projectiles as fast as your current wand can, and copies any projectile recently produced. so you can fire a single bomb, then dry fire your fastest wand and the ghost will continuously spawn bombs! I died quite spectacularly in that run.
I love these man, great job. 1 note is fast levitate is very good for dodging 👌
Super cool finding your channel and hanging out in twitch. Got my first wins thanks too you, thanks for helping a noob out.
That's awesome dude, I'm super happy when people get their first win!
I love how they just came out with more perks and this isn't even two weeks old
always cast is a god tier perk for me. (or maybe exceptional because of consistency). Its the largest source of op wands that i can think of. You just take your fastest wand and slap that perk on and theres a good chance itll either carry you through the game or give you a good laugh
always cast explosion >:D
Hey, bleeding oil makes you inmune to fire, im not sure when was this added but isnt this even better that fire inmunity?
Someone else commented that the downside is that it spreads fire EVERYWHERE and makes explosions much more likely. Since to mitigate this you’d need explosion resistance it’s a bit of a risk, and having both perks you might as well have fire resistance instead (although the inverse is also true, if you have explosion and don’t get fire resistance but you see this it might be worth picking up)
Trick Blood Money + Unlimited Spells enables some fun shenanigans. Currently using infinite Homing Propane Tank spells to farm all the gold and healing I could ever want!
I’ve had the wonderful experience of having angry ghost with a drill wand allowing me to rapid fire enemy projectiles. I died but the four minutes of rapid firing dynamite made me feel like a god.
90% of the time I'll take glass cannon.
I take it as a sign from the gods that I am to abandon my run in favor of a good time.
i've been waiting for this
4:50 detrimental for exploding gold. It can kill you when polymorphed. That is how I lost one of my god runs
Great list! I still disagree with perk reroll not being the best and melee immunity being good, but I see your perspective, so it's alright.
As for new ones, good placements as well. For me, gas fire is a little eh and isn't above good at all, but, for hitless runs, that's very useful. I'd also put peaceful steve and remove lukki and worm digging to detrimental, but only for myself and for those who arent afaird of gods. On your tier list, which is going out to many new players, the placement is good.
Awesome video man, very useful re-evaluation.
The one problem I have the most with the perk that spawns concentrated mana off of enemies is that in the Snowy Depths it turns to freezing liquid. Ended two of my runs already by accidentally coming into contact with it because I am busy kiting enemies that aren't dead..
@McQueeb the Living on the Edge perk is now percentage based. It is increased damage at 25 hp OR 25% hp.
I've heard that Oil blood has a hidden explosion dmg resistance (bit like slime bloods projectile dmg resistance). If that's not just a myth, in combination with Explosion immunity being in the highest tier, it'll be really hard to argue for Oil blood to be the lowest tier. {Edit: I heard from Alias that it's dmg reduction has been replaced by fire immunity instead in Beta branch.} Another niche advantage of the perk is that if you have Freeze field, Oil blood will make it so your blood doesn't freeze. Freeze field being a perk I would rate quite a bit higher as wel. :-p
How I've understood kills to mana is that it only gives you the stain, I haven;t noticed it making you actually drip the liquid.
I'm not sure explosion resistance is so great, given that many explosions are also fire producing I can see oil blood kinda defeating itself. Giving fire immunity on the other hand would be much more interesting, would make it like how "lightning" compares to the lightning immunity perk.
I think you missed one... I saw a perk today (13 Nov 2020) that was a projectile repulsion field segment that looked like it was either on the end of the wand or attached to each projectile (I didn't pick it, as alternative was God Tier). I was running Cheat GUI, but I don't believe by default that any perks are added by that mod. Edit: you're still a damn legend for that first no-hit run :)
that's Projectile Repulsion Sector
New Perks came out, also I would move bomb materialized down a tier and critical plus up. Teleportitis can be useful for a pacifist run, but its fine.
So maybe it changed or most people don’t realize it, but “oil blood” on top of the explosion resistance makes you totally IMMUNE to fire. It absolutely is not detrimental, especially when fire immunity is so good.
Kills to Mana just adds the stain effect of concentrated mana to the player without actually spawning any in the world as far as I can tell, so it shouldn't cause melting of metal or any of the other effects concentrated mana now has.
I could be wrong but I think kills to mana just douses you in mana and doesnt spawn any liquid so it wont destroy terrain the real downside is that it will be removed by other liquids so it wont work in water and blood baths
You can literally pick up gold and blood money from toxic or fire pits with telekinetic kick XD it is god tier dude.
I'm not sure if it's a recent change or it always was that way but:
Oil blood gives you fire immunity, it's a bit annoying to be a bit slippery at times but if you are flying it's no different than fire immunity, and if you don't get shot to the face by a grenadier then you won't be slippery to begin with.
it has around the same hazardous nature as "fire gas" except it's already giving you fire resistance.
Teleportitis dodge can teleport you into liquids though. I hope you do enjoy getting teleported into lava or toxic sludge.
Seems like the Homunculus also attacks you when you attack them? I had a run ended after picking up the Homunculus while having the angry ghost perk. The ghost accidentally attacked the Homunculu who decided to attack and kill me.
Did Angry Ghost get some sort of hot fix? Every time I took it immediately after 1.0 release, it seemed to do absolutely nothing but look cute. I have avoided it since, but maybe they fixed it?
@shortythecat including your own?
a 1 capacity wand doesn't lower to 0 capacity with the high Mana low cap perk. it turns the starting bomb wand into a good auto shot wand
Why is oil to blood detrimental? It gives fire immunity in case you can't find the perk for it
I got numerous clips of player dying because of the angry ghost : If you shoot a teleport, he will shoot teleports to enemies. If you shoot a fireball (explosive), he will shoot it too, but he will NOT try to avoid the wall that is close to you. As for disks that will bump back to you :)
I dunno, some of the Little Value and Detrimental should be in a different category. The "Silly"/Fun category tbh. Do you have a Noita Spells Tier List as well?
11:00 i just want to say that homing + laser emiter with this perk is crazy broken. If you shoot for example 2 spells that cast laser emitter after hit you can oneshoot your enemy even if you miss.
Increase gravity
I might be wrong on this one but I think most projectiles that are impacted by gravity will fall quicker and many monsters will miss you by a great margin, that being said your projectiles will be impacted as well.
Projectile Duplication has this weird downside of potentially ruining dangerous trigger wands. Unless this has been patched, I've noticed sometimes it will just shoot something out of the player that should only have come out of the trigger spell.
Exploding corpses makes you immune to explosion damage, so wouldn't it be better?
Nice video! I was waiting for this :D
Really nice video ! Since I'm new to the game (haven't played yet, I'm mostly watching your VODs) I would have appreciated if you had made a quick description of the old perks, as I don't know all of them yet
Great feedback! I did link the previous videos in the description. If I went over them all, the video would be way too long :D
@@McQueeb thank you for the response ! Since those videos were made before the big 1.0 patch I thought the perks had maybe changed, but I guess I'll watch them anyway
Thanks for this bud, I like your perspective.
YESSSS. I just watched the previous tier list today!
I still take Peace with Gods sometimes. I like being able to edit wands whenever I want to, so if I get to the first or second Holy Mountain and have something to cut through brickwork but nothing strong enough to deal with Steve, it can give me a safe way to get reusable Holy Mountains.
I love setting things on fire, and i die to fire the most.
Oh hell yeah! I watched the other one recently and was wondering when the next one was coming. luckyy
I think high gravity makes your flight charge faster, it feels like it does for sure but I’ve never tested
Thanks for making this! :)
Just want to start by saying--good list, I agree with most things there but--Phasing > Projectile Repulsion Field? I feel like Projectile Repulsion field is wayyy better. You basically can't get hit by slow projectiles rather than having a 50/50 with phasing.
Repulsion field will impact your spells reducing the accuracy
@@michasokoowski6651 Yeah but the discrepancy in effectiveness is wayy too big to call phasing better imo.
@@darkxieon It's amazing, but only in case you get a few of them, so on longer runs its much better, but for most players it's worse because it has weaker combo with dodge and shield
The only spell I’ve really seen it negatively impact the direction/aim of is Black Hole (which, admittedly, is a big one). I agree, however, that it’s still better than phasing.
@@leeberto5682 It still has some benefits tho, even to black holes, as it throws them at a very hihg rate of speed.
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i feel like vampirism needs to be higher. for longer runs, any source of health is a good one.
agreed, vampirism + blood to lava spell is god tier
Happened to me once. I picked up the teleportitis doge perk and it sent me directly into the holy mountain terrain. Now the space I was inside was super narrow, so dodging wasn't too possible. I still like the perk, it helped me with the 3rd biome (frozen wasteland is it, right? I'm still new, only learned about it when it released on steam) and it helped me getting to the jungle biome for the first time. Where I suffocated in the holy mountain.
Oh well. Thems the dice.
If you had a teleportitis doge, what would you name him?
@@keithklassen5320 Prolly Top. 'cause that were he'd land.
As I'm playing through (sub 20 hours) I refer to this list when I'm not certain how to build. There seems to be several perks not included; not sure if there's been more added since you made this but Pin Pointer (laser sight on wands) and Extra Item on Holy Mountain aren't on the list I saw some others from my last couple of runs but I've forgotten them specifically.
Angry ghost is so damn awful when it starts copying lightning bolt or the damn lightning wizards projectile. The explosion at the end of lightning bolt is a seperate projectile, so occasionally, angry ghost will just blow up, which will hit you. I've had a run ruined by angry ghost, never again.
😂 Oh boy. Yep, I feel the same way lol
The only thing I highly disagree with for sure is the homing shots being exceptional, I think it's straight up detrimental unless you only use attack spells. I love to have a teleport wand and constantly dodge enemies, and one time I had a luminous timer with explosion of brimstone as a combo, which needed me to be close to an enemy to hit obviously, so I would just teleport behind an enemy and BAM... it was epic. I don't know what many of the perks do exactly and I didn't watch your first perk tier list video (or I would've mentioned this there instead), I actually thought this was gonna be a full relisting of every perk with how long it was. 😆
Also I think the wand experimenter perk where you heal from using newly found wands, is absolute hands down top 5 at least best perks in the game, because healing is SO hard to come by and it heals you A TON compared to most methods, as well as being extremely reliable since wands can be found fairly often.
Important thing: No More Knockback is actually pretty exceptional, it does NOT remove wand knockback, only enemy knockback, like stunning (i think) and being thrown around by those grenade Hisii and such!
Oh wow, that's actually pretty dang impressive. I had no idea!
Awesome. You should do best tier combinations at some point 👾
you have very calming voice
i dont really agree with homing in exceptional, that perk can mess you up bad in very noita situations
I don't know, but i feel like now you should take into account that you can stack some perks :)
Remove Worm/Lukki Digging is interesting. I've not found the want to take it, but for those who have -- do you find that worms/spiders are *harder* to hit since they can effectively just hide inside terrain which will block your shots? That's my main concern about it, it sounds like it'd make fights much harder.
DO NOT TAKE HOMUNCULUS, I was swapping out some spells from my wands and the little monster stole my teleport wand and peaced the fuck out.
MASTER HAS GIVEN DOBBY A SOCK
Are we ever going to get a spell/modifier tier list? I would be very interested to hear what you have to say!
"I am not a want builder" is probably what he has to say coupled with a name drop or two or three from the masters he is apprentice too.
@@Handles_Are_Bad.Phuk-them-off wandbuilding is the best part of noita IMO
if gas fire has a area below character that not lights up gasses for not fall of on cloudscape.it may be good to have a 30 degree spike to land on
6pm PST just so happens to be a bit too late for me sadly, EST boi over here. Been watching your vods its fun but I wish I could participate in chat
If you're not already, make sure to follow the second channel as I'll be removing VODs from Twitch much earlier than 60 days now :)
@@McQueeb I assume theres no way to include the chat logs too but I really like to see the comments from chat that you're replying to
Gas fire has the unfortunate side effect of lighting you on fire all the time if you're using an explosive or fire-based wand. The smoke from your wand will catch fire all the time and sap your health over time. At least that was my experience with it, I won't get it any more unless I already have fire immunity.
In one of my runs I got 2 perk lottery and from that point on I was able to take every perk available in temples
id move boomerang spells up a little bit. it has a lot of faults with explosives, but the boost in damage is really nice and i prefer machine gun like wands. usually ill get it with some immunity and i become unstoppable.
tinker with wands really is just a luxory if you have a way to get in and out of holy mountains without collapsing them
Where would you put mournful spirit? The ghosts are so cute
how is oil blood detrimental? it burns easily yeah, but you're immune to it
Especially since fire immunity apparently is god-tier, even though it does the same
He had ranked it detrimental in the first video when the game was still in beta and didn't provide fire immunity (it only gave a 40% reduction in explosion damage)
@@umchoyka but it wasnt updated so idk
Empty the starting bomb wand, shoot a spell at the angry ghost, then use the empty wand to turn the ghost into a machine gun that uses no mana. Any fast wand works
I don't like how the reload perk is only wands you currently carry instead of any wands you use. IMO that is why it's not that great of a perk, especially early game.
I've only ever seen a streamer take teleportitis dodge one time. It seemed to launch them really randomly, quite some distance, well outside the frame they were in when hit. It looked really awful. I wonder if it's different by seed?
Not sure if this is outdated, but doesn't oil blood provide free fire immunity? I'd think that would be great aside from being very slippery
Phasing increases the damage you take from projectiles by 33% as well -- so if the shot makes it through it does pack a punch. I'd pretty much say never take that perk coming into the snowy depths, the sniper bullets really, REALLY hurt with that one.
I *think* teleportitis dodge might have a similar one, I'll have to dig into the files and verify if it has the same kind of weakness tradeoff.
Awesome upload thank you
Ah, please put explosion immunity right next to fire immunity. A little bit of perfectionism :)
Steve can fight other enemies with peace with gods perk right?
he no longer spawns in the holy mountain, natural spawns are unchanged.