I used to engage in this convo for over the slab of 2 years and now realise that they are both at the pinnacle of rap in our generation. Choosing one over the other makes it sound like the other one isn't up there with the other legends. They are both have wildly different styles that cater to widly different crowds. I give them BOTH my flowers 💐💐
@@vitalgramz9554 That is so false my brother. Like the guy above you just stated, these rappers cater to different crowds so you might happen to be the crowd that rocks with dot more and you are entitled to that opinion but what kdot fans (in these debate) fail to realize is that their opinion is simply their opinion. They have the right to feel like Dot is better and Cole fans have the right to feel like Cole is better as well. It really doesn't matter though. Both rappers are clearly majorly impactful in the current rap generation
Not that Cole didn't want the smoke after Kendrick's verse on Control... they were both super tight around that time, Cole prolly knew about the verse before it was even released
Cole responded to it on Timberlake TKO remix but yea after the verse Cole was one of the only people to congratulate Kendrick after he won a major award I feel like there still close
I listen to cole just as much as i do kendrick but cole is not on kendricks level. I like both their music but kendrick is obviously the better rapper but that doesn't mean im saying cole is trash, NO ONE IS SAYING COLE IS TRASH...he is still a good rapper. I am also a jeezy fan and listen to him, just as much as cole but im not dumb enough to put him above cole as the better rapper. If you dont like kendrick just say that but kendrick is a better rapper than cole. To all cole fans you can still enjoy cole because i do all the time but to say he is better than kendrick is asinine, insane, disrespectful, stupid, odd, cringe and funny. I promise you I'm a cole fan and at a point in time a few years ago after forest hills dropped. I tried to buy tickets for me my brother to see him live because we were within walking distance of the venue but it sold out fast. We still went to see if we can sneak in but no luck. There was a guy selling tickets way higher than the original price but my brother was nice enough to help me pay and get in while he waited for me outside at a whataburger. Some of yall would swear im a cole hater but im really a fan frfr been a fan and still a fan.
@@crashbandicoot5636 Race has quite a bit to do woth it. Nobody debates whether Romeo Santos is better than Aventura. Nobody debates whether Billy Ray Cryus is better than Tim McGraw. There's no debates between Adele and Taylor Swift. There's no "BLACKPINK vs. Girls Generation." They are all celebrated and appreciated. However, it seems with black folk there's always a competition. There's always this mentality as if there can only be one.
He basically said they both will chop your head off. No one stood up to Kendrick’s challenge so he falls back, while Cole is begging for the smoke and no one is accepting the challenge. Think I’m goin go with the one who KEEPS letting us know he’s the guy, not the guy waiting for someone to step up to him. Even though Cole saying “is it k dot, is it Aubrey, or me. We the big 3 like we started a league. But right now I feel like Muhammad Ali.” Translation, I feel like the GREATEST! 🤷🏾♂️
His control verse wasn’t even the best verse bar for bar on the song if we talking punch lines and metaphors big Sean was paunching non stop without name dropping
@@thefreshone5130 what has Kendrick done for you to believe what he said in that verse? Bc big Sean didn’t say no gangsta shii he was just punching Kendrick didn’t say nothing out the ordinary bro the song was hard but his verse wasn’t the best
“ Love when they argue the hardest MC Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me? We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali” J Cole (first person shooter)
I love both rappers, they two of the best MC in the game today. If I have to choose who is better it would be Kendrick Lamar hands down! Kendrick Lamar was gone for 5 years and made a top 5 album of all time. Kendrick Lamar is storyteller and I can relate to him in all of his song!!
@@DontaeRileythe two years he wasn’t writing and just living , plus he made BABY KEEM a monster in the upcoming industry, he wasn’t making music just for himself
Agreed! People be quick to forget. Cause Kendrick ain’t feeling like he got nothing to prove, that Kendrick really like that. His pen and ability in the booth is top tier! But since he mia ahhh not everybody think he fell off or etc
Im going with Cole while Kendrick been on a hiatus for 5 years and doing very few features. Cole has been improving killing every feature for the past 3 years and dropped two great projects within that time span of Kendrick's hiatus. Cole is better and he's way better now than hes ever been. Kendrick needs to be more active otherwise there isnt really a debate. Kendrick did drop a great album dont get me wrong but you just can't compare when one is active and one is barely active.
they purposely choice to forget because they Want to push in Agenda to make it seem people were scared of kendrick. many rappers responded to Kendrick but kendrick backed down
I feel like Cole responded to him and was ready for smoke on 2014 forest hill drive’s - January 28th.. but I pretty much agree with all of Busta’s sentiments
very true I'm also torn because both are one and the same but attack in two different and respectable manners. kendrick attacks in a dr Dre type manner to where he barley drops music but when he does its timeless, well thought out and well executed...Cole has for the pass 3 or 4 years took the Wayne/andre 3 stacks approach with the features..on top of that will go into hidden and come back with a fire album, get missing again then jump on more features..
@@xejso954bro , Coles albums are not all that sorry… really white mid people shit compared to Kendrick , his latest features and the Off Season was amazing tho , but only now he actually made mature not so shallow fake deep music
@@gkay8889terrible thing to say about an artist with such a great body of work. you’re entirely wrong, a lot of his music shows maturity, growth, definitely nothing fake shit. he literally made an album dedicated to his dead friend’s daughter like how’s that fake at all??? “white people music” as if he’s not loved by mostly everyone
@@armaan78696Tbf, on that album about his dead friend he added neighbors and whack ass folding clothes. 2 songs that don't fit the theme at all. I think neighbors is fire, but on that album?
Bar for bar Kendrick’s pen isn’t like Cole’s. The wordplay Cole has and the way he can balance street talk with backpack rap can’t be taught. I’m a big Kendrick fan but I just can’t pick him over Cole. Plus Cole is WAY more active, meaning he has to constantly come up with fresh ideas.
Lol.. first of all Cole raps are weak af expect for that verse on Benny the butcher track which is Cole's best verse, I got kdot's nostalgia verse over that one easily and it ain't even kendrick's best so don't talk about Wordplay and all that coz we all know Cole ain't a better story teller than Kendrick, doesn't scheme better (not like us last verse and nostalgia are good examples) , doesn't flow better (euphoria), when it comes to entendres it's not even close (euphoria and 6:16 in la are perfect recent examples), poetry it's not even close and actually you'd have to go back in previous generations to find a better poet with people like Tupac...as busta said y'all were yapping coz the other was in his hibernation which is some goofy shit y'all don't know Hip Hop
This is BS. Plenty of ppl responded. Papoose, Los, and Meek Mill. It was also forever ago. Cole has been rapping the best for 6 yrs now. Kendrick Makes Better Albums But Im Def Going w/ Cole. If Kendrick was to be active like... but the point is.... HE AINT! COLE IS. But much respect to them both.
1. This man said Drake and Kendrick mid explanation and didn’t correct himself. 2. When Kendrick dropped that control verse, MAD people responded. Tf is he talking about?
Kendrick is better artist objectively, but if you will ask me who I listen to "more" it is J. Cole, also J. Cole has that "bigger man" persona while Kendrick have this attitude (which is understandable) that he is not a nice guy and he is not your savior. J.Cole talks to me personally while Kendrick have this hard to reach realm , matter of fact I can listen to J.Cole in any mood but listening to Kendrick requires a certain emotion or vibe/focus, you do not listen to Kendrick just for vibing and for bopping but rather you need to be IN THAT REALM and Dimension the same as him. J. Cole is more of a role model ( I do not know him personally but I think he is kinda the better man) for being simple, preaching on not fucking around, be contended, be on your own skin, empowerment, do not take drugs, (in addition be competitive but not be afraid to compliment) (like J.Cole is not a jealous man) and he lives with his words while Kendrick can be seen as hypocritical at some cases and point like take of all the designer bullshit and guess what ? he rocks with the designer bullshit now. And also Kendrick is more hostile, I do not know if it is his "style" since he know that he IS THAT GOOD, while J.Cole is the humble type that can go on any joint without being afraid but still humble (to the point that J.Cole seems "too good to be true") just look how J.Cole shouts out other rapper like they are superstars to him.
Kendrick is dope but there were a few people that responded to Kendricks Control verse. One rapper that everyone else keeps over looking is Lupe Fiasco and he had the best response.
That's true. Lupe had the best response out of everyone that responded. Wtf would kendrick even have been able to say back? 😂😂 Kendrick should've at least responded to meek mill though. He was the only guy mentioned in control that responded.
Geniuses are never recognized fully by the masses. Kendrick is an absolute genius in his craft. Takes nothing away from J. Cole’s ability but Kendrick is in space compared to every rapper on earth.
I hope you know that are up to 15 rappers that are on the same level or better than Kendrick when it comes to storytelling, rhymes,flow , delivery of all time you what you are saying doesn't make sense and he is already fully recognised by the masses after he dropped to pimp a butterfly
What busta said here abt Kendrick being off for yrs and coming to deal wit u in many ways z just what has happened to drake. And the audacity of drake sayin he will bring out the coward n kendrick my man💔😂
What’s crazier to me about that control verse is a lotta rappers DID respond to it; but as amazing as some of the verses were it still didn’t touch what KDot said. It made niggas stand up and actually pickup the pen again
Cole just NOW enjoying the type of a-list features and publicity Kendrick garnered all the way back when he dropped GKMC. They're at completely different points in their careers and evolution which is why so many ppl who prefer radio singles etc are riding Cole so hard rn cause he's radio-hot. But Kendrick is on his master sensei ish already
@@armaan78696 never said he was doing only radio play. And radio play today is different when Kendrick was hot (which tells you how long ago it was). The last few years and especially this year cole has really been on a lot of big features w big artists from drake, to Nicki to lil yatchy, durk, burna boy etc. Kendrick hasn't been going hard on features since control back when he was bodying the likes of pusha t, danny brown, Drake again, asap Rocky, meek mill on they own tracks. The last big features Kendrick did was probably Travis Scott goosebumps and Lil Wayne Mona Lisa - member those? Tell me those don't rank w anything Cole's done. And they both dropped before cole really started being the feature king. Dot is in a completely different lane now. Comparing him and Cole is comparing one guy who's just peaking w another who's been there done that and is at a different stage in his life/career. Let's see you make a better assessment.
Bro Cole was never into features until he said himself that he wants to give his artists at Dreamville an oppertunity to work with some of the best and hence keep doing these features. You guys just like spewing some serious BS
Nah, Cole was way bigger than Kendrick since way back. All his albums even sold better than Kendrick’s, that didn’t change till DAMN. Thing is, Cole was on his antisocial shit during the height of his career (no features) and is only now chasing that fame that Kendrick chased way back
@@youngmicrowave127 dude, who cares what the reason is. The point is Kendrick did the feature thing and clearly isn't interested anymore meanwhile Cole is. Understand the comment so you don't end up feeling butthurt
What Cole is doing now with his feature on Jonny P’s caddy is what Kendrick did on control. Setting the bar and no one is going to dare oppose any of them. Also, its in a similar vein actually, cus they both got called out as not being the greatest by the lead artist on their respective feature songs and then went to town on everyone! They both in the top 1 spot.
Kendrick is the greatest. His rhyming, bars, themes, wordplay, storytelling, etc, is far ahead of anyone around. In any genre. J Cole is an ok rapper. His best album is an 8/10 and most others are a 7. He makes fun music. Kendrick on the other hand has 3 or 4 albums you could put in the category of greatest albums ever made. Art at its highest forms. I have rappers I like just as much or even more, like MF DOOM, Nas, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler, Gambino, Brockhampton, etc, but as some of the highest music critics and academics have said, Kendrick will be studied and replayed for 100s of years. Something few artists can achieve. The praise he gets is far ahead of any other rapper. While still being one of the most interesting, cool, enjoyable, banging rappers and artists out there. It’s Kendrick and then everyone else. And there’s many many rappers that aren’t as popular but are far better rappers. J Cole doesn’t make the top 30 rappers today.
Jcole does make 30 best rappers today. Kendrick took 6 years to make another album? Very inactive lost his passion. Give me a verse from Kendrick in the last 6 years Better than jcoles verse Johnny p caddy’s? Exactly you can’t Kendrick is not better than Eminem and both him and Wayne not only been active in their era they have been more active than Kendrick in his own era. Kendrick it’s a legend but stop with the jcole slander. He has been on fire killing features while Kendrick Mia semi retired. Jcole clearly wants it more doing it before Kendrick don’t forget. Kendrick may have better albums but as far longevity and consistency that goes to Jcole and not even close.
when it comes to music we are all objective and kendrick is a GOAT. but lets face facts, in the last 5 years kendrick is nowhere near cole when it comes to spitting those bars
Cole is arguably the better lyricist but Kendrick is better creatively Now I might be wrong on the lyricist point but like Busta said it'll be a very different argument if Kdot was as active
I belive J Cole is better. Much more straight forward when it comes to putting bars together and high quality bars. Kendrick last 2 albums sound like concept art, not easy to listen at all
Kendrick is currently on that top tier level against cole cuz he has again and again showed that he is a better artist everyone talks about the control verse go hear what he did on black Friday that just shows you how much of a killer he is, I'd love to see these two get in the booth together so we can weigh from what they'd cook together.
People didn't respond to Control because it was a hip hop publicity stunt. It's not like Kenny had outstanding bars on it... he just pulled a stunt that people don't typically do.
People responded However I like your take. It's always been the control verse Vs everything else all because of the stunt. Plus it's that kinda thing where Kenny is up in the conversation so everytime he drops it's all eyes on him even when it's subpar. Not to say he's not good enough though but I feel the way he's compared to Cole is overrated. Suppose Cole had this feature run before Dot and Dot is doing it now, what would be the conversation? And because Cole is Killing every feature people have been disregarding how good his body of work is as well.
And if Cole had drop a control type piece, it will be a different conversation as well. I get what dude is saying. We can't deal in ifs tho. We must deal in what is.
Lets not forget Kendrick already did a feature killing run before. And has brought amazing albums to the table. Just wondering who else can bring it. Cuz honestly he in a different tier of hip hop.
@samueluka7140 stop talkin shit & answer the question. Bruh did some features in his career. He aint never have no damn feature run and i been paying close attention since 09. Tf is u talkin bout?
Recency bias is a real thing… Ppl gravitate to what’s the newest, but I agree if Kendrick was more active I don’t think this would even be a conversation
@@truetalk4993 never said it was Cole’s fault, but I’m not quick to put him over Kendrick because of feature runs lol… I look at the whole body of work, and the fact this is a conversation is only because Cole is more active… That’s really it
@@yngjay2smoovetv216 When did I say feature runs? Exactly lol. Jcole has done it longer and has been more consistent. It’s not even close. Unfortunately being active counts took 6 7 years to drop an album after damn? Unacceptable Wayne Cole jay z Eminem tech nine black thought etc have never lost the hunger. No doubt Kendrick it’s a legend and had classics albums but when you talk about full body of work being active longevity and consistency are huge part of it that’s not up for debate.
@@truetalk4993but aye each his own bru... Kendrick's discography is better than Cole's IMO... the active thing for me doesn't blind me to the fact Kendrick as a solo artist has better albums... it's on 🫡
Nah tons of people responded to Kendrick busta is way off. Even j Cole responded Drake responded Mac responded. Kendrick did not reply I repeat Kendrick did not reply.
He’s talking about people on his level in terms of popularity/mainstream. If Drake drops a diss and says he’s the King of the US (😂), nobody cares if those underground-ish rappers respond, somebody on his level would need to respond.
J Coles own songs plus features, he’s an A+ rapper with about 200 songs. Kendrick is an A+ rapper with about 75 songs. Drake is an A- rapper with about 600 songs. Cole wins this.
@@TheEdwardAlchemist yeah man people gotta think about it. Kendrick is nice but he’s not nice as often as j Cole is. And can Kendrick remain A+ if you disperse that over 600 songs and features?
just listened to kdot's control verse, its fire🥵, but its not enough evidence he better than cole thoh..i heard black friday 8 years ago, it was fire and yeah kdot smoked cole and i bet he did that intentionally...maybe by then kendrick was really trying to prove he better than cole, maybe cole was not interested much in the competition back then like he is now, or maybe his pen wasnt as good as kdot's, but the j cole we talking about now will prove he a better mc than kdot..
I like Cole’s consistency. That to me, makes him the better rapper. His verses are always substancial and he does it way more often, without missing his shot no matter if he makes a joint with a real lyricist like Benny The Butcher, or a simple Elementary school rhymes rapper like Lil Yatchy. Kendrick doesn’t make up for it with his great albums every 5 years.
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I used to engage in this convo for over the slab of 2 years and now realise that they are both at the pinnacle of rap in our generation. Choosing one over the other makes it sound like the other one isn't up there with the other legends. They are both have wildly different styles that cater to widly different crowds. I give them BOTH my flowers 💐💐
Well said
@@Axylusboth extremely dope but Kendrick by far. alot of Cole albums can’t stand beside Kendrick’s classic 5 albums
@@vitalgramz9554shut up boy what you mean by far? You listen to cole oryou just wanna force your narrative under someone's comment
@@vitalgramz9554 That is so false my brother. Like the guy above you just stated, these rappers cater to different crowds so you might happen to be the crowd that rocks with dot more and you are entitled to that opinion but what kdot fans (in these debate) fail to realize is that their opinion is simply their opinion. They have the right to feel like Dot is better and Cole fans have the right to feel like Cole is better as well. It really doesn't matter though. Both rappers are clearly majorly impactful in the current rap generation
@@B_Brandon he's not wrong tho, cole represents quantity and kendrick represents quality
J. Cole & Kendrick is like hip hop's Prince & Michael in this generation
How does Drake fall into this?
@@waynebruceunltdDrake is a hit maker but not impactful to the culture like kdot and cole were
MJ is the ultimate hit maker, so that would be Drake@@YaBoy_JayDawg
@@waynebruceunltd My personal opinion is that Drake found hip hop, but hip hop went searching for Lamar & Cole
@@YaBoy_JayDawgdrake more impactful on the culture than Cole bro
J.Cole is a legend and has never truly gotten the respect he fully deserves. I wish people would stop comparing him to others.
It’s hiphop. It’s always been that way.
@deeznutz813 that’s YOUR opinion. Good day.
@deeznutz813before your initial comment, when did I ask for your opinion?
@deeznutz813 I wish y’all would stop dick eating that nostalgia verse. No one was talking about it until the “explanation” of the verse got popular
Cole actually replied to him in the song TKO
It’s J.Cole for me all day. I like KDot, but J.Cole speaks to me more than Kdot, so I go with Cole. But they both new skool legends.
Everyone mentions Control, but Kendrick’s Black Friday verse is the hardest verse of all time
Yeeeah
That true
It was okay
@@TyeDye622 "okay" is wild lol.
Facts that Black Friday made him the goat
My two favourite rappers, they're both elite and no one compares.
@@EUCvibesyour going to go far in life with that attitude let me tell you.. 😂😂
Mac Miller>>>
@@EUCvibesI actually believe you can😂😂😂😂
Not that Cole didn't want the smoke after Kendrick's verse on Control... they were both super tight around that time, Cole prolly knew about the verse before it was even released
Cole responded to it on Timberlake TKO remix but yea after the verse Cole was one of the only people to congratulate Kendrick after he won a major award I feel like there still close
They are very close. J.cole literally attacked with Diddy because he disrespected Kendrick at a party...
For this generation, excluding the old gees, I personally & objectively believe that Kendrick is in a class of his own
"old gees"
💀 tf is an old gee?
Facts it's really not close
I listen to cole just as much as i do kendrick but cole is not on kendricks level. I like both their music but kendrick is obviously the better rapper but that doesn't mean im saying cole is trash, NO ONE IS SAYING COLE IS TRASH...he is still a good rapper. I am also a jeezy fan and listen to him, just as much as cole but im not dumb enough to put him above cole as the better rapper. If you dont like kendrick just say that but kendrick is a better rapper than cole. To all cole fans you can still enjoy cole because i do all the time but to say he is better than kendrick is asinine, insane, disrespectful, stupid, odd, cringe and funny. I promise you I'm a cole fan and at a point in time a few years ago after forest hills dropped. I tried to buy tickets for me my brother to see him live because we were within walking distance of the venue but it sold out fast. We still went to see if we can sneak in but no luck. There was a guy selling tickets way higher than the original price but my brother was nice enough to help me pay and get in while he waited for me outside at a whataburger. Some of yall would swear im a cole hater but im really a fan frfr been a fan and still a fan.
@@hellothere6927 you never seen one of em old looking gooses with the grey whiskers? you gotta come up to canada
Respectfully Cole is the goat of the generation
💯after that last album I had to make him #1 for this generation
Kendrick is a legend. J Cole is a legend. Both black geniuses and kings can co-exist at the top level without the need to compare excellence.
Legends ? I don't know about that.
Dunno what race has to do with it, but you do you.
@ducatarina8310 yeah u clearly dont know. But thats what it is. Catch up or be out of touch lol
@@PromosMakeCents They are not legends, in special J Cole he ain't no Legend never made a classic álbum ☠️
@@crashbandicoot5636 Race has quite a bit to do woth it. Nobody debates whether Romeo Santos is better than Aventura. Nobody debates whether Billy Ray Cryus is better than Tim McGraw. There's no debates between Adele and Taylor Swift. There's no "BLACKPINK vs. Girls Generation." They are all celebrated and appreciated. However, it seems with black folk there's always a competition. There's always this mentality as if there can only be one.
He basically said they both will chop your head off. No one stood up to Kendrick’s challenge so he falls back, while Cole is begging for the smoke and no one is accepting the challenge. Think I’m goin go with the one who KEEPS letting us know he’s the guy, not the guy waiting for someone to step up to him. Even though Cole saying “is it k dot, is it Aubrey, or me. We the big 3 like we started a league. But right now I feel like Muhammad Ali.” Translation, I feel like the GREATEST! 🤷🏾♂️
jcole did respond, it was a quick freestyle on a JT beat, his verse was him shrugging it off
the dude who thinks he is the greatest apologized to kendrick
if jcole is the goat he shoulda stood on his word🤷♂️
Busta nailed this. This is only a convo right now because Kendrick isn’t as active. If he was it totally changes the convo and we have proof of it
his not so...
Kendrick said it him self that he has righters block
When he was active I still went with Cole and Cole was the one who wasn’t as active.🤷🏽♂️
The song is called Black Friday. What proof do you still need?
@@diosdadojrlubiano7674Facts
“No one’s going to be talking about Kendrick’s Control verse a week from now”
Drake 2013
Lol spot on mate i aint forget that shit
His control verse wasn’t even the best verse bar for bar on the song if we talking punch lines and metaphors big Sean was paunching non stop without name dropping
@@MichaelWilson-ht9gn”Hall of Fame dropping”
@@MichaelWilson-ht9gna verse being hard is way more than wordplay and the such you can have all that but if nobody believing it, it just sound nice
@@thefreshone5130 what has Kendrick done for you to believe what he said in that verse? Bc big Sean didn’t say no gangsta shii he was just punching Kendrick didn’t say nothing out the ordinary bro the song was hard but his verse wasn’t the best
“ Love when they argue the hardest MC
Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me?
We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali” J Cole (first person shooter)
"Yeah Muhammed Ali"
Numero U-N-O!
This aged like milk
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47he’s still the best MC
@@tylerrogers3530 how? 😂😂😂
Cole has more replay value that's just me tho
This
Facts
It is just you cause he has yet to outsell or outstream or outchart Kendrick
Good kid maad city has been on the billboards 200 charts over 12 years. No other rapper period has done that ever.
Lamar is Goated 🫡🇿🇦
J cole is better tho
@@amariimorakile5289 jcole is better on features..
@@amariimorakile5289lol
I don't think it matters, they are both amazing and their ability and skill are elite. But, if I needed to choose, Kendrick would be my pick!
I love both of them but J Cole for me. GOAT
Cole's Run Right Now With Features Is Comparable To Waynes In The Late 2000's..
He's Been Consistently On Some Goat Shit For Years Now
K Dot is a lyrical monster
Coles verse on Benny the Butchers song… that’s it
That's not enough
Nostalgia verse wipes that shit easily and that ain't even kdot's best verse
I love both rappers, they two of the best MC in the game today. If I have to choose who is better it would be Kendrick Lamar hands down! Kendrick Lamar was gone for 5 years and made a top 5 album of all time. Kendrick Lamar is storyteller and I can relate to him in all of his song!!
I mean he had 5 years to work on it so 🤷🏾
Top 5 album that a opinion I think his other albums were better
@@DontaeRileythe two years he wasn’t writing and just living , plus he made BABY KEEM a monster in the upcoming industry, he wasn’t making music just for himself
@@Cripsandbloodsareselloutsbut this one had the more vallue in terms of what it does for him and the culture , shits awakening fr
@@gkay8889 naw I love that album it spoke to me on different levels 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Agreed! People be quick to forget. Cause Kendrick ain’t feeling like he got nothing to prove, that Kendrick really like that. His pen and ability in the booth is top tier! But since he mia ahhh not everybody think he fell off or etc
That part!!!!
We forgot about him because someone better stepped in and replaced him
Im going with Cole while Kendrick been on a hiatus for 5 years and doing very few features. Cole has been improving killing every feature for the past 3 years and dropped two great projects within that time span of Kendrick's hiatus. Cole is better and he's way better now than hes ever been. Kendrick needs to be more active otherwise there isnt really a debate. Kendrick did drop a great album dont get me wrong but you just can't compare when one is active and one is barely active.
Honestly, who gives a fuck who’s better it really doesn’t matter you like what you like I love both of them niggas
except when its Drake and Kendrick....
@@KurqioCameThru that’s coo, I’m just here to enjoy good music
I agree but hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people give a fuck that’s why this has 48k views
Busta said,I Always said it and probably always will,Cole will always be a Crown holder for dot.Period
J Cole did respond on his TKO remix verse. Pretty sure he was the first one to respond, IIRC
They must forgot about Krit and Cole's comebacks
Krit had the best comeback‼️
they purposely choice to forget because they Want to push in Agenda to make it seem people were scared of kendrick. many rappers responded to Kendrick but kendrick backed down
Even if Kendrick was more active w features now we'd still be talking bout it. Both of their pens is lethal & they've only gotten sharper over time
Kendrick is more technical but imo I prefer Cole cause I easily relate more to his lyrics and I love his flows
Me and you the think alike
I feel like Cole responded to him and was ready for smoke on 2014 forest hill drive’s - January 28th.. but I pretty much agree with all of Busta’s sentiments
this
Both are great artists 🎉. I can't decide 💯
very true I'm also torn because both are one and the same but attack in two different and respectable manners. kendrick attacks in a dr Dre type manner to where he barley drops music but when he does its timeless, well thought out and well executed...Cole has for the pass 3 or 4 years took the Wayne/andre 3 stacks approach with the features..on top of that will go into hidden and come back with a fire album, get missing again then jump on more features..
@@xejso954bro , Coles albums are not all that sorry… really white mid people shit compared to Kendrick , his latest features and the Off Season was amazing tho , but only now he actually made mature not so shallow fake deep music
@@gkay8889terrible thing to say about an artist with such a great body of work. you’re entirely wrong, a lot of his music shows maturity, growth, definitely nothing fake shit. he literally made an album dedicated to his dead friend’s daughter like how’s that fake at all??? “white people music” as if he’s not loved by mostly everyone
@@armaan78696Tbf, on that album about his dead friend he added neighbors and whack ass folding clothes. 2 songs that don't fit the theme at all. I think neighbors is fire, but on that album?
@@testing_something they’re both really good songs u trippin
@@xejso954 just realizing? I’ve listened to all his work and always thought that lol
Bar for bar Kendrick’s pen isn’t like Cole’s. The wordplay Cole has and the way he can balance street talk with backpack rap can’t be taught. I’m a big Kendrick fan but I just can’t pick him over Cole. Plus Cole is WAY more active, meaning he has to constantly come up with fresh ideas.
Facts. It might have to do with being college educated. No body can rap better than Cole. Don't care what no one says
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Dumbest post ever
Lol.. first of all Cole raps are weak af expect for that verse on Benny the butcher track which is Cole's best verse, I got kdot's nostalgia verse over that one easily and it ain't even kendrick's best so don't talk about Wordplay and all that coz we all know Cole ain't a better story teller than Kendrick, doesn't scheme better (not like us last verse and nostalgia are good examples) , doesn't flow better (euphoria), when it comes to entendres it's not even close (euphoria and 6:16 in la are perfect recent examples), poetry it's not even close and actually you'd have to go back in previous generations to find a better poet with people like Tupac...as busta said y'all were yapping coz the other was in his hibernation which is some goofy shit y'all don't know Hip Hop
J.Cole showing and proving!!!
Let mé Put this out here.
There is no official measuring system on what makes a rapper the best.
It's all about everyone's individual taste in music.
This is BS. Plenty of ppl responded. Papoose, Los, and Meek Mill. It was also forever ago. Cole has been rapping the best for 6 yrs now. Kendrick Makes Better Albums But Im Def Going w/ Cole. If Kendrick was to be active like... but the point is.... HE AINT!
COLE IS. But much respect to them both.
Busta is a 🤡 I been lost all respect for him when he said America has no culture
That's what I'm saying
I don’t understand how being more active makes you a better artist. Kendrick in every shape, form or definition of the word art is better.
@@TheCoach1111what is the culture of America? Guns and being Hypocritical? Capitalism? I’m curious to what you think.
Lmfao Papoose Wasn’t Even Named, He Had No Business Saying Anything Lol
Man i love how differenciated Busta gave his opinion👏
You people keep forgetting about cole’s verse on Johnny Ps Caddy
That’s bc they probably haven’t even heard it. Masterful.
@@ravens1942 Cole went stupid
1. This man said Drake and Kendrick mid explanation and didn’t correct himself.
2. When Kendrick dropped that control verse, MAD people responded. Tf is he talking about?
not the ones he wanted a response from
@@primee2781 The only one I recall who responded to it was Big Krit when he spazzed on Mt Olympus. But that’s it unless I’m missing somebody
@@masemboross4996 it's still inaccurate to say nobody wanted smoke
Whether they both active or not, I believe they'd create waves as much as the other would. Cause they both KINGS at the end of the day.
Kendrick is better artist objectively, but if you will ask me who I listen to "more" it is J. Cole, also J. Cole has that "bigger man" persona while Kendrick have this attitude (which is understandable) that he is not a nice guy and he is not your savior. J.Cole talks to me personally while Kendrick have this hard to reach realm , matter of fact I can listen to J.Cole in any mood but listening to Kendrick requires a certain emotion or vibe/focus, you do not listen to Kendrick just for vibing and for bopping but rather you need to be IN THAT REALM and Dimension the same as him. J. Cole is more of a role model ( I do not know him personally but I think he is kinda the better man) for being simple, preaching on not fucking around, be contended, be on your own skin, empowerment, do not take drugs, (in addition be competitive but not be afraid to compliment) (like J.Cole is not a jealous man) and he lives with his words while Kendrick can be seen as hypocritical at some cases and point like take of all the designer bullshit and guess what ? he rocks with the designer bullshit now. And also Kendrick is more hostile, I do not know if it is his "style" since he know that he IS THAT GOOD, while J.Cole is the humble type that can go on any joint without being afraid but still humble (to the point that J.Cole seems "too good to be true") just look how J.Cole shouts out other rapper like they are superstars to him.
Cole definitely did a light response to “Control” and kendrick called him… if I remember correctly.
On which tracks?
@@7bel666tko remix justin timberlake
@@7bel666 TKO remix
@@jwilliamson-xo8nd ah sure I remember but it was so subliminal
We about to find out.
Did people just forget that Kendrick dropped The Heart Part 5 last year? Nobody's coming close to touching the bars he dropped on that song since
Jonny p caddy washes that
We didn’t care much about it because it recycled Kendrick
I love him but it didn’t move us
Kendrick don't rap enough, period.
That's like trying to say Jay Electronica is the best.
J. Cole In The Goat 🐐 🇿🇦
Lol we don't claim you, get your standards up
Kendrick is dope but there were a few people that responded to Kendricks Control verse. One rapper that everyone else keeps over looking is Lupe Fiasco and he had the best response.
That's true. Lupe had the best response out of everyone that responded. Wtf would kendrick even have been able to say back? 😂😂
Kendrick should've at least responded to meek mill though. He was the only guy mentioned in control that responded.
They're EQUALLY 🔥.
That is the answer.
Geniuses are never recognized fully by the masses. Kendrick is an absolute genius in his craft. Takes nothing away from J. Cole’s ability but Kendrick is in space compared to every rapper on earth.
zip up his pants when you’re finished with him
I hope you know that are up to 15 rappers that are on the same level or better than Kendrick when it comes to storytelling, rhymes,flow , delivery of all time you what you are saying doesn't make sense and he is already fully recognised by the masses after he dropped to pimp a butterfly
Mac Miller>>>
@@nathanakpe4897 my bad. I missed the conversation where any of those 15 were mentioned. I’ll watch the video again to add them to the list…
"If Kendrick was...", exactly.
They both truly gifted but I go with Jarmaine cole
Cole did respond to the control verse, Kendrick said it was a creative and smart way to respond
"In this game of thrones, it is known I got them 4G LTE connection bars... No control, fck Ken' Lamar (fck you, Kendrick)" - Mac Miller
What busta said here abt Kendrick being off for yrs and coming to deal wit u in many ways z just what has happened to drake.
And the audacity of drake sayin he will bring out the coward n kendrick my man💔😂
Busta was preaching here. Kendrick came out his cave n snapped like it was nothing on Future song 🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥
What’s crazier to me about that control verse is a lotta rappers DID respond to it; but as amazing as some of the verses were it still didn’t touch what KDot said. It made niggas stand up and actually pickup the pen again
That’s his opinion and we have to respect that. For me it’s J cole
And it been Cole for a hot second.
How good that control sample was doesn’t get brought up enough
Big krit killed that control verse with mt olympus
I agree
KRIT will never get his due diligence sad as it is hence his name but because of his southern accent he’s not mentioned like the rest
Love when they argue the hardest MC
Cole just NOW enjoying the type of a-list features and publicity Kendrick garnered all the way back when he dropped GKMC. They're at completely different points in their careers and evolution which is why so many ppl who prefer radio singles etc are riding Cole so hard rn cause he's radio-hot. But Kendrick is on his master sensei ish already
I’ve never seen a worse assessment. J.Cole isn’t even rlly doing radio hits solely, he’s working with so many different people
@@armaan78696 never said he was doing only radio play. And radio play today is different when Kendrick was hot (which tells you how long ago it was). The last few years and especially this year cole has really been on a lot of big features w big artists from drake, to Nicki to lil yatchy, durk, burna boy etc. Kendrick hasn't been going hard on features since control back when he was bodying the likes of pusha t, danny brown, Drake again, asap Rocky, meek mill on they own tracks. The last big features Kendrick did was probably Travis Scott goosebumps and Lil Wayne Mona Lisa - member those? Tell me those don't rank w anything Cole's done. And they both dropped before cole really started being the feature king. Dot is in a completely different lane now. Comparing him and Cole is comparing one guy who's just peaking w another who's been there done that and is at a different stage in his life/career. Let's see you make a better assessment.
Bro Cole was never into features until he said himself that he wants to give his artists at Dreamville an oppertunity to work with some of the best and hence keep doing these features. You guys just like spewing some serious BS
Nah, Cole was way bigger than Kendrick since way back. All his albums even sold better than Kendrick’s, that didn’t change till DAMN. Thing is, Cole was on his antisocial shit during the height of his career (no features) and is only now chasing that fame that Kendrick chased way back
@@youngmicrowave127 dude, who cares what the reason is. The point is Kendrick did the feature thing and clearly isn't interested anymore meanwhile Cole is. Understand the comment so you don't end up feeling butthurt
What Cole is doing now with his feature on Jonny P’s caddy is what Kendrick did on control. Setting the bar and no one is going to dare oppose any of them. Also, its in a similar vein actually, cus they both got called out as not being the greatest by the lead artist on their respective feature songs and then went to town on everyone! They both in the top 1 spot.
Kendrick is the greatest. His rhyming, bars, themes, wordplay, storytelling, etc, is far ahead of anyone around. In any genre. J Cole is an ok rapper. His best album is an 8/10 and most others are a 7. He makes fun music. Kendrick on the other hand has 3 or 4 albums you could put in the category of greatest albums ever made. Art at its highest forms. I have rappers I like just as much or even more, like MF DOOM, Nas, Earl Sweatshirt, Tyler, Gambino, Brockhampton, etc, but as some of the highest music critics and academics have said, Kendrick will be studied and replayed for 100s of years. Something few artists can achieve. The praise he gets is far ahead of any other rapper. While still being one of the most interesting, cool, enjoyable, banging rappers and artists out there. It’s Kendrick and then everyone else. And there’s many many rappers that aren’t as popular but are far better rappers. J Cole doesn’t make the top 30 rappers today.
Jcole does make 30 best rappers today. Kendrick took 6 years to make another album? Very inactive lost his passion. Give me a verse from Kendrick in the last 6 years Better than jcoles verse Johnny p caddy’s? Exactly you can’t Kendrick is not better than Eminem and both him and Wayne not only been active in their era they have been more active than Kendrick in his own era. Kendrick it’s a legend but stop with the jcole slander. He has been on fire killing features while Kendrick Mia semi retired. Jcole clearly wants it more doing it before Kendrick don’t forget. Kendrick may have better albums but as far longevity and consistency that goes to Jcole and not even close.
WTF are you on about?
when it comes to music we are all objective and kendrick is a GOAT. but lets face facts, in the last 5 years kendrick is nowhere near cole when it comes to spitting those bars
y'all need to stop bringing up albums he did 10 years ago to justify kendrick is a goat..Cole is so far a better rapper over kendrick in 2023
This whole lotta bullshit fr..... Just a hater who don know shi & spreading hate eww
Cole is so much better than Kendrick it’s crazy
both gifting us with art. both more than good.
Cole is arguably the better lyricist but Kendrick is better creatively
Now I might be wrong on the lyricist point but like Busta said it'll be a very different argument if Kdot was as active
Kendrick ghosted and came up with Mr mid steppers
I belive J Cole is better. Much more straight forward when it comes to putting bars together and high quality bars. Kendrick last 2 albums sound like concept art, not easy to listen at all
Kendrick is currently on that top tier level against cole cuz he has again and again showed that he is a better artist everyone talks about the control verse go hear what he did on black Friday that just shows you how much of a killer he is, I'd love to see these two get in the booth together so we can weigh from what they'd cook together.
People didn't respond to Control because it was a hip hop publicity stunt. It's not like Kenny had outstanding bars on it... he just pulled a stunt that people don't typically do.
People responded
However I like your take. It's always been the control verse Vs everything else all because of the stunt. Plus it's that kinda thing where Kenny is up in the conversation so everytime he drops it's all eyes on him even when it's subpar. Not to say he's not good enough though but I feel the way he's compared to Cole is overrated. Suppose Cole had this feature run before Dot and Dot is doing it now, what would be the conversation?
And because Cole is Killing every feature people have been disregarding how good his body of work is as well.
Dudes gotta just drop that album
Kendrick ended this debate 5-4-24
And if Cole had drop a control type piece, it will be a different conversation as well. I get what dude is saying. We can't deal in ifs tho. We must deal in what is.
Lets not forget Kendrick already did a feature killing run before. And has brought amazing albums to the table. Just wondering who else can bring it. Cuz honestly he in a different tier of hip hop.
What feature run? Lol and how long was this run? I have questions.
@@djonesco09he did fam….sit this one out‼️
@@djonesco09seems like you started listening to hip hop last year lol
@samueluka7140 stop talkin shit & answer the question. Bruh did some features in his career. He aint never have no damn feature run and i been paying close attention since 09.
Tf is u talkin bout?
@@djonesco09RIGHT!
Love Kenny but feature run?! I think ppl dont know wtf that means. Lol Cole been doing his feature run now 5 plus years lol tf smh
The last sentence busta said is the answer for anyone debating on kdot or cole......kdot is the best,just not as active.
0:51 Nobody wanted no smoke? There were a thousand reponses to the "Control" record lmao.
Kendrick gets busy but I personally have always preferred Cole
Drake watching this as the Glass he's holding begins to crack
Cole is ahead of kendrick because of the beats and flow. Kendrick just raps on any rhythmic gong sound.
Cole for me
Recency bias is a real thing… Ppl gravitate to what’s the newest, but I agree if Kendrick was more active I don’t think this would even be a conversation
Not true. It’s not jcoles fault Kendrick it’s not active Jcole wants it more no debate
@@truetalk4993 never said it was Cole’s fault, but I’m not quick to put him over Kendrick because of feature runs lol… I look at the whole body of work, and the fact this is a conversation is only because Cole is more active… That’s really it
@@yngjay2smoovetv216 When did I say feature runs? Exactly lol. Jcole has done it longer and has been more consistent. It’s not even close. Unfortunately being active counts took 6 7 years to drop an album after damn? Unacceptable Wayne Cole jay z Eminem
tech nine black thought etc have never lost the hunger. No doubt Kendrick it’s a legend and had classics albums but when you talk about full body of work being active longevity and consistency are huge part of it that’s not up for debate.
@@truetalk4993bru J Cole is only more active by means of feature runs... what music has he dropped of his own?? That's how he's been more active
@@truetalk4993but aye each his own bru... Kendrick's discography is better than Cole's IMO... the active thing for me doesn't blind me to the fact Kendrick as a solo artist has better albums... it's on 🫡
Facts, facts and facts about Kendrick Lamar bro. Best comments ever, straight forward😊
Nah tons of people responded to Kendrick busta is way off. Even j Cole responded Drake responded Mac responded. Kendrick did not reply I repeat Kendrick did not reply.
Busta meant from the new gen that was mentioned in control. The old guard responded.
They are BOTH great!!!
I agree with Busta completely... I also think that every tall thing don't need a peak.
Papoose did respond to Kendrick, and the response was pretty tough, too. But it didn't go anywhere 😅
So did Joe budden and Joell Ortiz
He’s talking about people on his level in terms of popularity/mainstream. If Drake drops a diss and says he’s the King of the US (😂), nobody cares if those underground-ish rappers respond, somebody on his level would need to respond.
@@BlackMarq20 Krit and Lupe responded as well
@@alexbass4102 Lupe is not major mainstream his on the levels of ab soul in popularity
@@KestraBeats wtf are you talking about... Ab Soul never did +200k first week
Plenty of people responded to K Dot, however, a large portion of the ones he actually named didn’t.
And he said they gotta try harder though...he really wasn't impressed
J.Cole
What is he talking about? Everybody and their mother responded to Kendrick's Control verse. Dudes was coming out of retirement to respond
I'm glad somebody has to say it
J Coles own songs plus features, he’s an A+ rapper with about 200 songs. Kendrick is an A+ rapper with about 75 songs. Drake is an A- rapper with about 600 songs. Cole wins this.
I think you actually put that quite well
@@TheEdwardAlchemist yeah man people gotta think about it. Kendrick is nice but he’s not nice as often as j Cole is. And can Kendrick remain A+ if you disperse that over 600 songs and features?
busta voice on that sm7 is actually fantastic
Cole everyday !
Cole & Kendrick are like Goku & Vegeta, Naruto & Sasuke, Luffy & Zoro, Yuji & Aoi 🔥
just listened to kdot's control verse, its fire🥵, but its not enough evidence he better than cole thoh..i heard black friday 8 years ago, it was fire and yeah kdot smoked cole and i bet he did that intentionally...maybe by then kendrick was really trying to prove he better than cole, maybe cole was not interested much in the competition back then like he is now, or maybe his pen wasnt as good as kdot's, but the j cole we talking about now will prove he a better mc than kdot..
It’s easily Kendrick
Wow, this is ringing so true 😮
I like Cole’s consistency. That to me, makes him the better rapper.
His verses are always substancial and he does it way more often, without missing his shot no matter if he makes a joint with a real lyricist like Benny The Butcher, or a simple Elementary school rhymes rapper like Lil Yatchy.
Kendrick doesn’t make up for it with his great albums every 5 years.
Like That
I think Cole is the better lyricist, but Kendrick is more creative when it comes to making his music.