I Put STEVIE RAY VAUGHAN'S GIANT Strings On My Strat...
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I guess most of us have gone through the "heavy strings = tone" phase. After 50+ years I've ended up using 8's because it helped a lot with some repetitive stress sorts of problems that were starting to really get in my way. The only real drawback is that they are useless for slide. Other than that, its not that hard to develop a lighter touch. One thing I have found is that I tend to use heavier picks with lighter strings. Its almost as if my right picking hand wants to feel the same resistance regardless of string gauge.
Agreed, I've been a "Practicing Guitarist" since 1974. After hearing Billy Gibbons uses .007s I don't feel bad knowing that within a few years I'm gonna have to change to lighter strings.
As for not being able to use a slide with extra light gauge strings, that will allow me to convince the wife I need a dedicated slide guitar!
@@hkguitar1984 Exactly! One for open E and one for open G. And one for DADGAD. And one for .... fun. And backups or course.
I’ve heard Brian May plays 8s. If that’s true he would have it pretty loose because the Red Special is a 24-inch scale instrument.
@@donald-parker Don't forget DADF#AD tuning!
@@donald-parker Yes indeed. I've had almost 50 years perfecting reasons to acquire yet one more guitar! It's all good, keeps me off the streets and home before the streetlights turn on. 👍😉
Stevie also played mostly in E flat tuning which slacks the strings somewhat. Pretty much makes 11's feel like 10's or less. He did use 13's in his early days and would glue callouses back on and even skin from other parts of his body. His guitar tech finally talked him into going to 11's.
He would glue his callouses back on??? They would fall off??
I'm so glad you mentioned this because I read an article by the super tech Dan Erlewhine's specs when working on SRV's Strat and he noticed the top E string was infact an 11 gauge followed by the usual remaining ones, so this must've been after he was advised to go a bit lighter. So, now, if you mix the tuning down half step with a top 11 E string then things aren't that unattainable..or even PAINFUL . LOL No real need for 13s unless your Wes Montgomery or George Benson>
His callouses would in fact tear off.
11's tuned to E flat are actually easier for me to play then 10's at regular tuning. I do feel that heavier strings do have a richer tone, but I personally always play what feels right to me. On a strat I use 10-48's or 11-50's if in e flat. I also prefer pure nickel as well. The more comfortable a person is, the more likely they are to want to play. With all the options of pickups and pedals, not to mention amp simulators, you can get any tone you are looking for with any gauge strings.
11 strings in Eb feels like 9 for me
Sounds like a good story.
After being inspired by this video, I found some very specific info about SRV. He did play 13's, but a custom 13. Basically a very thick low E (.58). ( A jumps all the way to .38.) And a thick G(.19), which in my opinion, is a very smart approach. Anyway his 13's are not quite as bad as they seem, AND he tuned to Eb. And if you look at the guages in a standard 13, no comparison. The only 13 is really the high E. Everything else is a lot lighter. Maybe you should try the custom guages. I used to order strings in bulk at specific guages. Try custom.
Another comment says he was in the studio, trying to lay a track, he ripped the tip off one of his fingers, glued it back w/ crazy glue, and finished the track.
I have a hard time believing this lore, except I know he did a lot coke, so I believe it. Go SRV!
And as you said, "Was it worth it?"
I guess only SRV can answer that, but he's dead, so
...😮😮
He is certainly one of kind and very hard core. His beat up number one Strat was a '63 he dubbed "First Wife ".
I don't currently own a Strat, but would like one. I really love that tubey Strat bottom end, which fits perfectly with the Hendrix style.
SRV obviously knows everything you could know about playing a Strat and he covers Hendrix in a way that captures Hendrix, yet it's unique, you know it's SRV. One of a kind. Broke the mold when they made him.
If you want that true Hendrix tone get a lefty(or righty) and flip it. All you really need to do to is flip the nut and adjust the saddles. I plan to do this myself one day.
@@rebelrouzer5318 yup thats totally all u gotta do to sound like hendrix.
Pro tip: if you change string weight you need to adjust the truss rod to counter the change in tension they put on the neck. Going up in weight means tightening the rod to keep it straight. The extra tension will put more of a bow into the neck. That's why Mike's action is no good with the new strings!
makes total sense !!
That bridge was being pulled higher than Tommy Chong too. The guitar definitely needs a setup when changing gauges
@@jakethebard Yeah, I was gonna say, that bridge was jacked up in the back like a dragster, compared to that, the neck factor is negligible.
@@Billkwando I completely agree. All the springs need to be on the trem for twelves... might need heavier springs for trem. with 13gauge strings.
This, for sure!
Changing to heavier gauge strings requires a new setup. You need to add springs to the bridge block, adjust the trust rode, saddle hight and recute the nut. Then it would be easier to play after a few weeks of practice. But, for myself 10s are perfect for standard tuning on a 25.5 inch scale guitar.
Agree. Doing this without doing a compete setup is kind of a worthless comparison.
I think 12s are too much but 11s are great for strats in eb
I stuck 11s on one half Kirk Hammett style and just tightened the floyd on one side 😢
Does this matter If i regularly switch between 9s and 10s?
Don't need to add springs if it's a hard tail
I tried 13’s back in the day, but I was young and didn’t realize it’s not just a case of changing strings. You have to cut the nut deeper, adjust the claw, it’s a whole production. I’ve listened to SRV since I was 13 and absolutely love his music. But I’m a 10 gauge guy for my Strats and les Paul’s and 9’s for my all my evh/Floyd rose guitars. Thanks for sharing.
Yep and also adjust the truss rod too
☑️ I too experimented with strings of varying thicknesses. I tried everything from 8's to 13s, but regardless of which ones I tried, none of them seemed to make me a better drummer! 😁
Was I supposed to wrap them around my sticks, hang them from my cymbals, or replace my snare drum wires with them?
No thanks I can understand fatter strings on a acoustic but on electric most of your sound is coming threw your amp and pedals I can't really tell a difference and like BB King told Billy Gibbons why you want to work so hard
Mike, great post. I also went through a 12 gauge phase and had the same issues that you've experienced. Firstly, SRV (Hendrix too) had a little more give for bending because they tuned down a half step- but still really tough to play with that gauge. Just a word of caution- speaking as a physician, as we age our hands (tendons and ligaments especially) are vulnerable to repetitive stress. I doubt that had Stevie and Jimi lived to an older playing age (how I wish they had!) they would have been able to continue with a heavy gauge without injury. Thanks again for a great video article!
The episode of Daryl's House on RUclips where Billy Gibbons was the guest had interesting comments from Billy on sting gauge. He talked about how he used to run heavy strings early in his career because he thought he needed that to get that "big blues sound". He ended up sharing a gig with B.B. King and B.B. offered to swap guitars with him to play around a little and he asked Gibbons why he had such heavy strings on his guitar. Gibbons told him he was told that was what was needed to get the blues sound. B.B. asked him why anyone would want to work that hard to get a sound. After that, Gibbons dropped down to really light strings and hasn't looked back.
I’m a bluegrass player so all I know is a great Martin with a big fat neck and medium Elixirs. Huge Stevie Ray Vaughan fan, got to see him when I was 15. The main thing I remember from that night is that he played every note like it was the last time he was going to be allowed to play the guitar so to me it’s fitting that he had these super heavy strings, anything less would not have survived! I miss that dude.
I agree ... he'd break strings (or have them out of tune) all night if they were under a .12.
My friends dad actually engineered srv in the studio and said he definitely used 13’s. He also played so hard that he cut his finger tip off in a bend. He glued it back on with crazy glue, did more coke, and nailed it in the next take. Apparently his dad the engineer was the only one not using piles of coke every day… (I have my doubts about his sobriety. 😂)
Well that story is nonsense, but fun regardless.
@@ProudFilthyCasual thats what the internet is lol, take everything with a heaping mound of salt x) but yeah that was a fun story
@@cameroncorrosive925 Yes and no lol, there's some impressive true stories out there.
@@ProudFilthyCasual ive heard a lot of stories about Stevie having to use all kinds of unsafe products to keep his finger tips in tact, i doubt its that crazy of a story
@welp. The reality is the body doesn't work that way. Either they don't actually mean he lost the fingertip or it's a lie. My father also played and lost a fingertip in a factory accident. It takes 3 years for the nerves alone to heal. You don't coke your way through that, it doesn't work that way. He had to pickup singing in the same time period because the finger literally doesn't work the same way anymore.
I use 11s, they're at the point where they don't sound thin and wiry like low gauge strings do, yet are still not impossible to bend.
Do 10s actually sound wirey though? Like if I played you a song, would you be able to tell whether it was played with light or heavy gauge strings?
Tone, I think, is mostly about feel. So maybe you *do* sound better with 11s vs 10s, but maybe that's cuz that's what you're used to. Idk
I came across your vids for the first time recently - great work and playing! Keep doing what you’re doing and soon onward to 1 million+ subscribers!!!
When I was younger, I used 13’s on my Strats for a couple years. Like you said, playing rhythm is a lot easier but after about 6 months, my lead playing got a lot better and sounded amazing tone-wise. When I went back down to 10’s after over 2 years of 13’s, it takes some getting used to again. When I went back down, my hand strength was so much better that I could really shred if I wanted to. So, it was hard for about 6 months then, your hands get used to it just like anything else on the guitar. Plus, there’s a lot of setup changes that have to be made when changing to such a high gauge string, also. This was a fun watch.
You really need to set up the whole guitar around these strings. Truss rod, bridge, intonation, nut slots. Gotta do it all. You'll never get around the high string tension though - that's just how it goes.
Exactly. When he spoke about the action, I immediately though, "Well... duh. You've added so much more tension to the neck, and need to tighten the truss rod."
Very important point. I'm surprised the strings stayed in the nut.
If you’re gonna half ass the set up , what do want?
Plus Stevie’s was a hybrid setup.
I’m pretty disappointed that people try to do this for clicks and try it only for the video.
PLAY like Stevie on a hard song.
THATS why he did it.
Play like him with 9’s and see how awful it sounds
@@lathspell87 Not to mention his bridge is nosediving from needing and extra spring in the back to deal with the extra tension
I have tried this and found very little to no advantage from thicker strings. Even when I was a teenager learning in the 90's I played around with different gauges and brands because my only electric guitar was a fixed bridge Epiphone Les Paul. Before I even knew about SRV really. I use 10s in Eb on my strat, and 9s in Eb on my Super-strat one humbucker, floyd rose guitar. The 9s are so much better, I'm switching back soon on my traditional strat, even tuned down a half step.
I used to use 9's because I liked doing big whole step bends without much playing fatigue, and then I tried 8's which feel like butter to play, but the tone was too thin and sometimes chords would unintentionally bend slightly out of tune. Finally I swapped to 10's once my 8's broke, and honestly it might be the best string gauge all around for me. Even better than the 9's, simply because with adequate finger strength you can still pull off the big bends, but also there's enough tension to maintain control in how high you want to bend. Part of my issue with 9's and 8's was that they could be so loose that I'd miss my mark for where I wanted to bend unless I was being super careful and precise. Yeah they were easier to bend, but I'd say that came at the cost of being easy to control just how far they bend.
One other thing to note is that SRV tuned his guitars down one half step. That only makes it a teensy bit easier on the old calluses though. It is purported that he sometimes had to actually super glue the pads back on his fingertips to get through a gig.
John, that is no myth. SRV, while performing at a Texas Blues Bar had played throughout the day once and when he was asked to sit in with a few guitar hero's that night he had torched his finger tips by the second set. During the break he had to super glue them back on in order to continue to play. His brother told this story in an interview with Charlie Rose years ago.
@@RealPeterGunn Antones?
My default gauge is 11-49. It helps with the tuning stability on my 24.75" scale length guitars. It's helpful on a Stratocaster when I downtune to Eb.
I second this. 11-49 on my 335 and LP in standard, and for Eb on my Strat. 10-46 in standard for my Tele
Yup 11's are great for dropped tuning on the shorter scale guitars, I run these for this reason myself.
11-49 feels and sounds great with a Strat
My LP came to life when I put 11's on (completely different guitar...frankly it is what it should have been NOW (LP Studio 1993 with Ebony fret board...!!!)
One one the reasons SRV tuned down to Eb
NIce job showing the struggle and not just all the best parts of your playing. Nice work challenging yourself.
I played 13s due to SRV's influence, which was around the time he passed and for a while after. I backed down to 12s most of the time, which I can manage way better. In fairness SRV tuned to Eb. Also, his time on the instrument, like Grant Green etc. isn't to be understated. SRV worked his ass off to get to where he got, and that in itself develops a player's sound, which included the massive tone he achieved. RIP Stevie, you were a beast...up there with Charlie Parker in my book!
Rene Martinez was Stevie Rays guitar tech. About 1 month after this video he dropped one that goes over the exact specs he set Stevie's guitars and some outliers that happened along the way (left handed trem, using 13s on occasion) ruclips.net/video/YMO4EJWfZC8/видео.html
10-46 on most of my guitars including semi-solid bodies and Les Pauls stratocasters. on my PRS Santana SE 9-46 most of the time I'm using Ernie Ball paradigm
Making such a drastic switch usually requires a truss rod adjustment (and nut filing). The truss rod adjustment would almost certainly make the guitar a bit easier to play for you.
and probably adjust the bridge springs.
Surprisingly my 12s fit fine in my nut on my guitar so I’m lucky for that. I do need to raise the action and adjust the truss rod but I don’t have enough money for it currently. I did however add springs to the back (running 5 now)
Been playing over 30 years. Back in the day when I was a huge SRV fan I was using 11s and 12s all the time. Hurt like hell but built character. Now I play 9s and my overall touch is a lot lighter.
What tuning were you in for this video? SRV played in Eb/D# standard.
I use 13s in Db and have been since I really started taking it seriously about 11/12 years ago. I had been and still a huge SRV fan. Ironically I actually had no idea that I used the same tuning an gauge as him.
I got the tuning from an Alexisonfire song and the string gauge because I played bass for 10 years before guitar and needed the tension so I didn’t bend every note I played on guitar.
One of the best things you can do for tone is use a compressor. Compressors make every note the same volume, compensating for finger pressure, frets, pickups, amps, strings, etc. Studios have really good compressors, and you can get compression pre/post amp, effects, and after the mix. You can buy compressor pedals that work well. Pro Tip: When recording, always use direct inputs for the bass, never the amp. Motown always used direct boxes for bass and guitar. Try running your guitar directly into the mixer to see what it sounds like. In the studio Hendrix's guitar was always recorded directly into the mixer isolated, as well as isolated post effects and isolated post amp. Makes it easy to play with the processing after the track is recorded.
Something many people don't know is that he had a custom set that actually ran 13, 15, 19, 28, 38, 58. by modern standards it's mostly an 11+ set on the inside strings that has a 13 on top to keep it from being lost in the mix up the neck, and his low E was just ballsy. A deeper dive with references from his tech is readable on the stringjoy channel/ Blog, although the mythos of "Stevie played 13s" sounds way more impressive. Personally i use a custom set that's similar in design but scaled down, 10, 12, 15, 24, 38, 52. it's basically 9's in the middle of a 10-52 set, which also conveniently doubles as a balanced tension set in DAEAC#E tuning for math rock.
Important to remember that SRV tuned to Eb, so that helps.
.58? That's what I use on my 24" scale guitar in drop C#.
What’s 0-100=???
Math rock 💩
Hendrix also used a custom set. .010, .013, .015, .026, .032 and .038 Something along those lines.
I always heard he used 13’s.
I just realized I'm not subscribed to you (which I will now fix), but your videos always pop up on my feed, and I always watch them. I'm not sure what it is, but I love watching your discoveries and how enthusiastic you are about this. It keeps me feeling inspired and wanting to also experiment more. I appreciate your content.
Also, I use 10-46 on my Strat-style guitar (Standard), 10-52 on my Telecaster (Drop D), 12-56 on one of my Les Pauls (Drop C), and 13-62 on my other Les Paul (Drop A#/Bb). They all feel optimal for what they are for, but I couldn't imagine putting my 13-62 on my Standard guitar, haha.
Just the thumbnails, he just looks like a really nice guy. I hadn't clicked before, but today my suspicion is confirmed. 😉
Did you try tightening then springs of the bridge to get a feel of the 13s with low action?
The tone is killer! You probably need a couple more springs on your trem block to bring that in balance and lower the action. It sounds amazing though. Very cool demonstration.
I started on 12's not knowing any better until someone else played my guitar. I stayed on the more heavy gauge because I was used to them. When I changed to 10's they felt like playing strands of hair and I would over bend but I've stayed in 10's for 20 years now and I can't use anything else it's the perfect "In between gauge" just right for me.
Rick Beato's string gauge video changed my mind on the "thicker strings = better tone" theory. My favorite is still 10-52, but some of my guitars just sound bad with them. Now I string every guitar with whatever gauge sounds best for that guitar.
Same her. I’ve got 10-46, 10-54, and 9-46 on different guitars.
Sorry 10-52
Did you adjust your truss rod to compensate for the greater tension on the neck?
The rakes sounded great, the chucking on the Hendrix chord also, did it feel like they came easier? btw, I play shorter scale (PRS, 25”) and I use 9’s. Might have tried 13’s way back, definitely 11’s & 12’s got a run through.
Hey, your bridge is looking kinda off, did you increase the number of springs holding on to the bridge (like behind the backplate)? I think that is kinda necessary with these heavy heavy heavy gauge strings. Also helps with the action!
Mike, I really enjoy your videos! This is coming from a bass musician that can actually read sheet music! Yes, string gauge does impact the tone/vibe/grove of the instrument. I must admit that your dialog on the G&L Legacy has perked up my interest in getting one. Music is my hobby in retirement.
May God continue to bless you.....
I use somewhere between 12 and 16 for the high E (the heavier gauge for my baritone), but I'm mainly a bass player. So, I'm used to heavier strings. When I play with light strings… man! This guy loaned me his very nice Strat for a recording session and it felt like playing on dental floss. The main advantage of heavier gauge to me-apart from personal preference-is less about tone than about sustain. You don't notice it as much on an electric guitar-where you can compress and distort the sound of the guitar-but very nice to be able to play long sustained notes on an acoustic guitar.
You got me when you hit the John Mayer tune. This is the 2nd video of yours that I've seen. I'll definitely be checking you out. If you've done a tutorial on Another Kind of Green, please post the link. Thanks!
one thing to put in mind is that he was tuning half step down and using jumbo frets, so It's not just the strings. the action on his guitars were really high too what makes a difference on the sound
Why would Stevie want high action?
Along with everything already listed, it's much easier to scoop into a hard bend with vibrato with higher action.
I LOVE 12's or 13's with a wound G. I can get the strings so much closer without buzzing. After having to adjust the trust rod if course. Plus I like the fact that it stays in tune when voicing chords especially that wound G.
Yep. I play 13-15-24w-32-42-52 fingerstyle on a Samick jz3 archtop. Solo. Fat sound, very Smokey! Still bend em sometimes too!
When you switch to a different part of the board you can really hear that noise in between picked notes. Kind of like a scratchy noise. Is it like that with all your strings? Or maybe a amp setting you got on. ?
The super high action comes from the extra tension overpowering the tremolo springs. Is it customary to change springs if you change string gauge to balance the extra tension?
Would have been interesting to hear the before and after on a similar rift. But honestly, the sound with those 13's is gorgeous.
There's just something super cool about 11-49 on a Strat tuned down a half step. Part of it may have to do with being a Jimi/Trower,Stevie Ray Vaughan fan. I'm convinced the gauge string and tuning has a unique dark vibe. Not to mention, the security of knowing you'll stay in tune much better. Breaking a string rarely happens unless your a hard hitting hack.
From old guitar world/guitar player magazine stories I also heard SRV used bass guitar frets on his strats with those 13s. He also blew up his amps all the time in the studio.
I'm playing 64 to 15s playing on a strat tuned to B standard , very nice tone n feel with a wound 3rd and feel like I found my sound. I don't play that for metal, but heavier stuff sounds killer with them! sounds beautiful to me
13's, ideal for jazz riffing. Also, when going up to radical tension from higher gauge, adjust your truss rod accordingly to bring that action under control.
Interesting experiment! Yeah, Stevie was infamous for his 0.13 strings. I usually use plain ol' 0.09 myself. I don't think most people need 0.13. But you handled it really well and still sounded amazing.
Ive been using 13 flats for a few months now and Ive been LOVING them. Smooth af ofc since theyre flats, they sound like heaven, and they respond exactly how i want them to. I cant see myself going back anytime soon
13 are just better. I never hear good reasons not to use them except people just cant handle them lol.
Great video, I'm a drummer and big fan of SRV. I'd heard about his string size choice, thank you for experimenting with them for us. Your tone is beautiful and you play great. Much love
It was just the E strings that were different. Thick low E and high E. The other strings were normal and he tuned down a half-step.
I didn't know about only the E strings being thick. btw, Mike is also a half-step down here. I guess it would be torture to play 13s in Std tuning...
@@jbbeaudry 13's in standard tuning are awesome if you get flat wound or half rounds (i prefer half rounds) and the acoustics are superior.
@@ak471911able 13's in one step up from standard tuning are even better. Who ever thought a guitar could also work as a bow 😌
Guitar Player Magazine stated SRV asked Albert King about his Tuning and Albert tuned down to C, Stevie found he had to up his Gauge to 56-13 or the Strings sat on the Frets. I strung my Acoustic & Gibson ES335TD 52-12 for Years in Standard Tuning but Switched both to 47-11. I reset my Truss & Bridge Settings. I string my Fender Stratocaster with 46-10 Tuned to Standard A - 440HZ. Jimi Hendrix used 38- 10 Gauge Strings and Tuned down to Eb, Fender issued his Strings as Fender Rock 'N' Roll 150 Strings 38 - 32 - 26 - 15 - 13 - 10. Curtis Mayfield Strung his Strat with Medium Gauge Flat Wounds Tuned up a Whole Step to F# - A# - C# - F# - A# - F#, He wrote alot of Classics including the Soundtrack for The Early 70s Movie "Superfly. Curtis said his Tuning created Minor Adjustment problems with House Bands. Heavier Strings have Stability and Projection in Standard Tuning, it'll get your Grip in Shape but after years of Jamming you start to feel it. BB King used 54 - 10 Gauge for years but dropped down to 8s, His Early Gauges were 54 - 45 - 32 - 17 - 13 - 10. according to Guitar Player Magazine.
I remember trying to do the SRV thing back when I was starting out. I don't think I ever went higher than 11s. Now everything gets 10s, all in standard tuning. You can adjust your action to get the strings closer to the frets.
If you listen to any jazz guitarists, those guys pretty much all use heavy strings. Pat Martino used 16s in standard tuning, Wes Montgomery used 14s. And they used flatwound strings, which are a bit stiffer than round wound strings. But they didn't do much if any bending.
Hi Mike! as others have said below, take a look at your bridge at 5:03 - it's lifting off the body of the guitar. you may need to tighten the bracket inside the back cover that the springs attach to, OR add another string, as suggested. good luck. and after awhile with those strings, you'll be able to stuff with your hands lol
this comment needs to go up. noticed the bridge too. this gives him a false impression on how bad 13’s are since it affects the action drastically
@@nathansantos.n8 thanks nathan! also - add another "spring" not string lol.
The bridge is SUPPOSED to lifted, just not that much. It's called a floating tremolo, and that was Leo's intention. He doesn't need a setup... it's a gag video.... much like the clowns nowadays trying to imitate (rather poorly) SRV.
@@michaelcarey9359 that particular bridge isnt supposed to be a floating trem. it's supposed to be only one way, to bend the pitch down but not up.
3:20 you can clearly see before the string change that the bridge was touching the body.
he clearly didnt set his springs to compensate for the thicker gauge so his bridge became a pseudo floating trem when it shouldn't have been.
Musiciswin did a similar video and his bridge was like at a 45° angle lmao
I've tried heavier strings, but I always return to my 9-42 set. But different guitars, playing styles, different players might need a different sound or a different feel. Guitar strings are like shoes, you don't play basketball in work boots, you don't work construction in Crocs, you don't run track in high heels. I practice scales, fast single note runs, etc on my steel string acoustic, when I pick up my electric guitar, I'm speedy and quick. This is a great video, enjoyed it a lot.
That was so fun to watch. I tried that when I was a teenager, because SRV was/is the man and I wanted to see what that might feel like. I had a cheap Cort Stratocaster style guitar and put them on not thinking about how much more tension this would result in. When I tuned them up my bridge was sticking way out from the body, because I only had three springs inside. I went back to my local guitar store and got two more and tried again. This time the bridge stayed down, but the strings were like solid steel to me. It was painful and nearly impossible for me to fret any notes. Since I figured this would more likely just set me back in my development, those strings were promptly replaced with 10s and I never tried again. But watching you wince sure made me reminisce. Thanks for this video.
According to Rene Martinez, he was using a 12 on the high E and a 58 for the low E. The other 4 strings were basically from a set of 11s. Tuned to Eb. That was towards the end of his life
There's a lot to be said in favor of strengthening your grip strength to have really good command of string movement at any gauge. Lots of bass playing helps too.
But you don't need to throw on 110-50 Rotosound Steve Harris flat wounds (highest tension ever) to play bass. The same principles apply when it comes to string gauge.
@@michaelmenkes8085 is the steve harris set higher tension than the Labella 0760M 1954 flatwounds? (52-110)
@@riogrande163 by a mile. Unplayable.
@@michaelmenkes8085 Interesting, shame they sound so awful, though I wonder what they did to increase the tension over other sets?
Bingo!
I play in open C & I (used to) use 10-52s on my 25.5" guitars, & D'Addario was definitely my favorite for standard string sets. I didn't really like the 4th & 5th string tensions, though; they felt too stiff. I started using String Joy's calculator to see what might work better for me, and now I'm getting custom 9-54 sets from them.
Interesting ... I like heavy strings on my treble strings so they stay in tune better. Then I like lighter strings on my bass strings because then allow me to maintain my speed and not get bogged down. I'm using .12, .16, .22, .30, .38, .46 ... that works best for me ... that is for my acoustic. Straight up .11 on my strat.
I always heard '13' and once I even heard '17' gauge is what he played. His brilliance was in his hands and heart.
Some artist like Clapton or Mark Knopfler coax or massage the sound out their guitar - there is a harmony between the guitar and the artist to produce the sound. SRV just beat the crap out his guitar to force it to produce the sound. It is just a completely different technique and approach to guitar playing. I saw SRV in concert twice and it was utterly amazing to behold such talent and raw energy.
Mark Knopfler uses stupid heavy gauge strings to. Like 'stair rods' he says.
Played 10’s my entire life cause I just assumed that if you don’t play any out of the ordinary types of music there was no reason to stray from the standard until I decided to test out a set of 9’s last year and it felt so much better to me, now I play 8’s and i love it!
Yeah, I use nines on some tens on the others, I find if you just lighten your touch they don’t detune when you hit them. Been playing for thirty years and if I play with twelves I won’t be able to play the next day.
I think it's as simple as Stevie required those heavy strings because of his need to express himself with such power and energy! The way he growled just before letting go with a powerful solo suggests to me that it was all about his need to express what he was feeling! A great example of this is "LEAVE MY LITTLE GIRL ALONE" Austin city limits '89 ! He took it all out on his instrument and heavy strings were just necessary!
I was supposed to be at that gig, my company gave me a run of high value Remount shows in Silicon Valley that I couldn't pass up and I figured I would have another chance. Man, I have regretted that decision ever since.
@John C. wow! ...he was a few years clean, healthy, his voice sounded great, yeah, would've been an unforgettable night!
On certain recordings you could hear bb king and albert king let out a bark before digging in...bbking live in japan is a good one!!
I think it helped with tuning as well. Heavy strings can withstand powerful bends and intense vibrato better than slinky strings. I would think SRV would break strings less than a .12 gauge constantly.
In 89 he had already for over a year started using lighter strings.
@mike cole What song were you playing when the subtitle “trills feel impossible came on”
Hi Mike what camera are you using? The video quality looks amazing!
Pro tip: Whenever you change out strings for a different gauge, you have to give your guitar a new setup, including intonation.
It looks like he didn't wanted to be arsed about that. Lame video.
True.
Probably, but not HAVE to. It’s rare. But some necks are just awesome.
Once the strings are on, I’m sure you could adjust the action back down to 1.8 mm. This is common for people to do with such a huge change in string tension 😊
If there’s enough height left in the saddles you can lower the action back down. , but I’ve found that jumping up to fatter strings requires adding a spring to the back side of the tail block. Or just convert it to a hard tail, most people never make good use of a tremolo bar. Or block the tail block so it doesn’t move. I’ve done all the above for different guitar players.
Played 10's for 30 years, after a brief period in the late 80's where I used 9s, and then settled on a set of Ernie Ball Paradigm hybrid slinkys in 9-46 tuned down to Eb. Personally, I just dont like the way the guitar sounds in E and these strings, at that tuning, are magical to me. It made guitars that didn't play and sound that great to me at 1st, become amazing.
You play in Eb? stay away from my kids...
I've messed with 13's quite a bit. To me the unwound strings sound plinky as do 12's. You get used to anything but to me, for tone and dynamics, 10's are the sweet spot.
My favorite aspect to 13s, and I heard this in your demos, is how cleanly and tightly rhythm comes across; NO RATTLING, or notes going out of tune, especially when you chord or note with any kind of force. I have played 12s and 13s (flatwounds) exclusively for about 30 yrs and you definitely get used to it. In my experience they stay in tune, last and sustain MUCH longer and have a more robust clean tone than lighter gauges. I know plenty of well known players prefer and get good sound out of lighter gauges, but they are relying on substantial gain staging to get anything close to what heavier gauges give you by their very nature. Why don't those same players use 8 or 9 gauges on acoustic guitars? Try it and let me know your preference.
I use 9s on everything but 11s has been the heaviest gauge. I have also tried Billy Gibbons 7s which were amazing but I'm a tad too heavy handed for them which is a shame as I really liked them. 👍
Took me almost a year to get used to 7s. they are great on my 25.5 scale length guitars but had to go with 8s on my shorter scale length guitars.
@bkmeahan I had them on my les paul so putting them on my strat might be worthy of a try. I've never given 8s a go yet so I may do in future 😊
Maybe I missed it, but is your guitar tuned to Eb? That makes a huge difference in string tension. Although, even in Eb, since I use 9's, 13's would be ridiculous!
Played around with a lot of different gauges.
For E standard usually 9-42 or 10-46 or whatever is the usual.
For Drop G on a 25.5” 7 string 10-52 plus a .068 for the low G
For E standard on 28.625” 8 string (a full step down) I got a balanced set from Kalium, I think it went from .009 to .086.
I also got a .175 string on my 5 string warwick bass in drop G, that thing is like a cable from the golden gate bridge 😂
Back plate off and usually 9-42 but I have recently put 10's on my strat and turned 1/2 step down and LOVE IT. Back plate off is been proven to help increase finger speed by 300 percent lol. Keep up the good work
actually it increases your speed by 317 percent..but close enough for musicians :-)
I did this same thing back in high school. My strat bridge was sticking straight up! 13 were the heaviest I’ve ever tried, but I stick with a 10 now.
I took to stuffing a block of wood behind the trem block. Now I don't use that string gauge, but I still stick a block of wood back there. More because for a long time I only had cheap Strat copies. Still did it on my US G&L Legacy though, even though it didn't need it.
SRV tuned to Eb... also, did you adjust the truss rod to accomodate for the much higher tension? That would've fixed the action as well...
I’ve heard SRV used a base guitar string for the lower E on his strat. Is it possible?
I've definitely used many different gauges, but I always default to 9-36 gauge, although i do have a tele with 8 gauge strings.
My thoughts on guitar strings are just play around with different gauges but play consistently with what makes you feel confident. Confidence is a key part of tone imo. Fun to experiment with though! Great video.
Stevie was exceptionally talented and knew what sound he was after.
First time clicker here. The expression in the thumbnail and the title finally got me! Seen your videos recommended, but hadn't indulged yet. My Rickenbacker 360 has 13s on it, with a wound G string, like an acoustic....cos Peter Buck from REM....hahahaha
The first thing I noticed was a HUGE improvement in your tone. Suddenly your guitar had so much character with chords ringing out.
10-46 mostly. I also watched the Rick Beato video and decided to go back to 9s for a while, but found that 10s allow me to get much better action and much less buzz. They're also reasonably light. Tried 11s and 10-52, but these gauges get too stiff for me and I find myself pressing too hard against the frets, which cause them to wear quicker
All you have to do is have the guitar set up (or do it yourself if you're inclined to do so) after you put the 9s on it and you can have the same action and shouldn't experience excessive fret buzz.
Excellent video, Mike. A few considerations to offer here. First, heavier guitar strings stay in tune longer, last longer and break less frequently (for obvious reasons). Second, if you are playing slide guitar, you really want heavier gauge strings and a higher action for less fret buzz. Finally (and people who talk about Stevie's guitar strings will often not mention this), later in his career, Stevie went with lighter strings. In fact, some have said he went with .009's but most Stevie Ray "experts" say he went with .010's. Regardless, he did eventually ditch the "electric cables" that he was using and when with lighter strings.
Stevie never used ".13's"
his string set was .013 - .015 - .019p - .028 - .038 - .058
He would swap the .13 to a .11 if his fingers were sore.
Don’t know if you’ve got a baritone or not but I got one recently, they’re super fun. It’ll strengthen your fingers up good and make playing a regular guitar feel like easy mode.
I currently use a mix of 8's and 9's (9's on the lower 3, 8's on the higher three) on my main guitar (PRS SE Mcarty 594). I like to use them because the have like a better flow to them and it is easier to play riffs and songs.
Traditionally I was all about 10s, but I just switched to 11s on my Les Paul style and I'm actually really enjoying them.
Also a thing to remember is SRV typically played 1/2 step down.
I don't think I would ever even attempt 13s, but maybe I'd try some 12s. 11s seems nice to me now though.
You're right John. He tuned 1/2 step down. Given that and his powerful bends and vibrato ... if he played under a .12 gauge, he would break them or they would be out of tune a lot.
I appreciate you going through this so that we don't have to. That said, you made life harder on yourself in two ways:
1) For most of his career, Stevie didn't use a wound G. He used a custom set with a big high E and a big low E, but the other strings were smaller than a standard 13 set.
2) A bridge and truss rod adjustment is a must after a massive string gauge change. You probably need another trem spring, the bridge needs to be re-intonated, and the truss rod will need to be tightened considerably to give those strings any chance.
At that point, they will still likely be extremely hard to bend, but at the very least you might find those trills a little easier.
he also played in Eb standard....
Because this stevie was always doing that face like he was being whipped on the back when is on bending..
What song is the riff played at 5:30 from?
Great video - Learned flamenco from very old master - One day he asked me to bring a strat and we set it up with 12s on a 57 twin in a park in San Francisco. Somehow it all seemed to work and we played all day, went home around midnight and about 3am my fingers cramped so bad I could not straighten them. Now I have about 25 guitars that are strats and tellys, 1953 GS - Each guitar delivers a fantastic sound when loaded with the right strings on the right amp. Never expect magic when you are unwilling to follow your own sound.
I’ve used pretty much everything size wise. That said I’m pretty sure that if your guitar isn’t setup for 13s then that WILL affect the action. The string won’t fit in the nut correctly and will naturally be raised a bit
You definitely have to have a set up when you move up that high in string gauge.
SRV used 13-15-19-28-38-58!! And no wound third in 1/2 step down tuning, I feel like you didn’t really get that SRV experience you made the video around especially since he had fairly high action as well! Makes it a real feat to play
Yeah, he basically did what I did in 1998 when I first heard of SRV…then I discovered there’s a lot more to the story.
His string set was moreso akin to 11s with a fat low E and high E.
Mike, did you also tune down to Eb? Stevie did, and it makes a world of difference in the playability, especially with larger gauge strings.
I used 11-52 gauge strings for years (on a Gibson scale length guitar), mostly because I played rhythm guitar and we tuned down 1/2 step. I'm playing a lot more lead guitar these days (and mostly Fender scale length guitars tuned to standard) and I'm using D'Addario balanced tension 9-40 strings and I like them a lot more. No "loss of tone" that I can tell.
The half-step down/11-52/shorter scale combo is exactly what Slash does lol
Fun Fact: SRV’s strings were a custom set that was lighter than a stock set of 13’s
Stevie Ray Vaughan used a custom set of GHS Nickel Rockers Strings that he helped to design. This custom set was called the CU-SRV. Stevie used the following string gauges for this custom set: High E-.013, B-.015, G-.019p, D-.028, A-.038, low E-.058.
After he got off the drugs, he went to 11s.
Interesting. I use .011, .015, .022, .030, .042, .054. I had no idea that my G string was so much bigger than his even though his High E was bigger and we used the same size B.
@@KevyNova that’s why your tone is godlike
@@brianice9846 haha, nowhere near Stevie Ray!
@@KevyNova Who are you and why should i care?
A good tip I have for players is to practice with strings than are a gauge higher than you find comfortable with. So if you like .010’s, practice with .011’s. And when you gig switch back to the .010’s. You’ll find you have so much more strength and control over your fret hand.
I used to think this was the way to go, except then when bending I realised I was sounding off cos I was used to applying a lot more force before changing to a lighter gauge. Also its a pain to adjust truss rod, action and intonation every time you change gauge. Just stick to a set and get better at it.
I spent a few years playing mostly acoustic, and then I felt like superman when I went from .012's on a beater acoustic to .009's on a tele (also a beater, but they all should be in my opinion).
I use D'Addario 9's on most of my axes, but I run a set of 8's on my 'Blackie' strat, and I absolutely LOVE it. If you haven't tried lighter gauge strings, you definitely should. Rick Beato has a good video on it. If you have giant meathooks like I do, practicing on the lighter strings can help a lot with dexterity and for losing some heavy-handedness. I do run 13's on my acoustic.
Great video man, thanks!
Cool bro try Billy G's 7 gauge They're awesome I use them on my Strat and my Paul 👀🎸
@@stevegarcia1796 I used them on the Epiphone LesPaul after getting out of the hospital and I am not happy with the skinny neck.
youtube loves this guy always showing up at the top of my feed.
Did you adjust the truss rod (You mentioned the action multiple times), did you refine the the nut, the intonation etc.? Switching string gauge that extreme requires a setup change to the guitar before you can accurately describe the performance difference. Until you do that, it's kind of meaningless. If you did, cool. But you made no mention of it, which will make people assume you just strapped on heavy strings and tried from there.
With perfect pitch not only could you tune your guitar without a tuner, but also be able to tell what notes the car crash outside was!
I'm in a band with a dude who has perfect pitch and always tries to tune with it. He's never in tune completely unless he uses a pedal to tune.
@@ajanator5263 sounds like he doesn't have perfect pitch...
I currently use 13-60 guitar strings and I tune up to C standard usually. My heaviest strings I've used were 24-84 and tuned super low to do some phat stoner doom metal riffs.
Most of the issues with action you encountered would have been fixed with a proper setup btw.
I have that Player Stratocaster myself. Same color and everything. I did upgrade the bridge to an Ultra bridge, upgraded the pots, put a set of Texas Specials in it and locking tuners as well. I love it!
It sounds really good though did you try e flat he also used like 5 tremolo springs too did you try that too