One of America's Best Sommeliers Grades Boxed Wine | Tasting Notes
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- We decided to troll our wine expert. Patrick Cappiello, the award-winning wine director at Rebelle in New York City, had to taste test and grade five boxed wines: Vella, Bandit, Franzia, Black Box and Bota Box. Some were absolutely awful, but some, to his surprise, were actually good. Check out the video to see which wines passed and which ones failed the test miserably.
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a classy lineup of the finest cardbordeaux
He should see what the bucket tastes like at the end
lmao!!!!!
Having worked in a PA liqueur store, I can say with confidence, he is not the targeted demographic of box wine consumers. Those people tend to wear camo or nightgowns... to the store.
Yknow, I still have yet to buy a box of wine, and yet… I’m offended that I, in my camo ball cap that I wear to work every day, fit one of two stereotypes lmao
Why wear camo to a store? You want to blitzkrieg the store?
They should load a box with a $100 dollar bottle and see if he can tell.
He probably could easily tell, Sommelier tests are extremely hard to pass and they pull shit like that all the time.
he wouldn't smell shit. He doesn't even know how to move the glass.
I've held double blind wine tasting and food pairing parties with $3,$6,$12, $15, $30, $65 dollar bottles. And folks lined them up pretty reliably except the $65 / $15. The $65 was noticeably more a perfect example of cabernet sauvignon but, it wasn't the one folks liked best with the steak (Kobe Beef).
$3 is terrible. $6 is typically thin (watery). At $12 you start getting into better wines. Most people don't have (and probably shouldn't develop) a taste for the higher end wines.
John L No way. there have been studies that show the exact opposite.
He's somm of the year dude, if anyone knows how to smell wine, he does.
hold on one sec while i chew food an just spit it onto the floor
Sommeliers do that to avoid getting tipsy/drunk when tasting wine.
"They fooled forty different groups of people into giving them a medal."
Ouch.
for everyone saying this guy is biased and that he couldn't tell the difference between cheap or expensive or boxed or bottled, his final exam was testing dozens of wines and saying what kind of wine it was, and what grape it was, and what year totally blind. That is almost impossible, but he can do that so honestly you have no idea what you're talking about. I doubt it's too much of a challenge for him to drink some boxed wine and tell you if it sucks or not. A bota box is a few dollars more than a box of franzia, it's not like we're talking hundreds of dollars difference for one 750 ml bottle over another.
except for you have to pass a sommelier test thats hard as shit to be certified, only a few hundred (229) in the world, and once you pass the test you are extremely sought after in the restaurant industry and stand to make a shit ton of money. So yeah, this guy is legit, and you're some dude who knows nothing about the topic.
@@jacobw5434 Isn't that what he just said?
They should have done a blind test. He was set up for all of them.
they wouldn't do that.... he's not that sure of his skills.
We have many blind taste videos with him, so you're wrong on that front, bud.
Indulgence the only blind taste tests I see are for wines under $15. Never are you testing a really expensive wine against a cheap wine.
Others have, and they have shown the inherit bullshit of sommeliers.
Drink what you like. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time and money.
To become a master sommelier, you have to be able to identify hundreds/thousands of grape varietals just by smell. I think he would do okay if it were a blind test.
Idea for next video: Americas best sommelier grades prison toilet wine?
Is there a prison that you find is producing the finest of toilet wine these days?
+Indulgence haven't a clue, hence the reason I need this video to be made so in the future I know where to acquire only the finest toilet wines
Alex Stephenson We're here for you. We'll put out the call...
That's funny
not doing this blind was a mistake IMO, he's clearly got prior memories of at least some of these that influence his perception. Image and flavor go hand in hand and I'd hate to see what mental images drunken frat Franzia nights produce.
wine has tasting etiquette, they judge the colour along with taste and smell
The vodka guy tasted blindly and he picked Popov. This guy is just ragging on the wine because he already knows what it is.
Exactly. Plus, wine tasting has been shown to be somewhat on the bullshit side in extensive double-blind tests.
baeb66 wine snobberi i a nutshell
Wine tasting is scientifically proven to be total bullshit. If you're drinking actual wine (just grapes, no artificial flavoring), a $12 bottle is indistinguishable from a $1200 bottle.
The vodka guy was honest about his craft.
If you think a bottle of $12 Barefoot Cab tastes like a bottle of $2,000 Scarecrow (or equally good Napa cab) you've never tasted the wines. Now, if you want to say that it's bullshit trying to blindly differentiate major differences in a $30 cab and a $75 cab I'd agree more often than not (and I realize price is not an indicator of quality every time).
Nothing makes fermented grape juice worth $2,000 my friend. 95% of that price is for the snob label.
they should have cut the spitting parts out
If you check future videos, we do. This was our first one of this style of video. Live and learn!
but, that's wine tasting.....
Ok great I love these series btw
doesn't bother me :)
this is how wine is actually tasted and y'all cut it out of future videos because uncultured americans think its "a little gross"
he liked 2 of the 5 and only really hated 2. that could be preference of wine since we all have different tastes. I think he was rather unbiased. he even disliked a wine he used to like 20 years ago.
„Getting a little tipsy“ Boi you won’t believe what happens when you actually swallow it.
Picking up a box of Bandit for tonight ;)
Although it was a mistake to not do the tasting blind, he wasn't really comparing the wines to other, more expensive ones that he has tried. He was rating them on their own drinkability. I mean, he gave two B+'s, and even went on at length at how one of them was quite delicious. If he was being a snob at the whole thing, none of the wines would have gotten a grade higher than D.
This guy was way funnier than expected.
Why did you think a guy who makes a living drinking would be boring?
Well said.
@@jojolikescocoa1 because they are usual very stuffy.
It's been over 8 years! As a box wine drinker, I implore you to please do this again and make a new video comparing different brands of boxed wine!!
Boxed wines can be good. You totally validated my upcoming review on Bota Box. Thank you!!!!
😄 I've got the Bota sitting in my fridge right now. I can vouch for the B+ Its good to have around when you need/want a glass of wine but not necessarily the whole bottle.
I'm going with Bandit - it fits in my lunch box.
+no further west You'll like it.
Indulgence 8
Reminds me of that guy you never want to invite to the party.
i mean he basically gets paid to give tasting notes on nice wines, so idk what you're looking for.
exactly do you want a guy to come to your party so he can criticize the drinks you bought?
Even if he doesnt say it, his attitudes here suggest he would look down on your alcohol selection if it wasnt good enough rather than enjoy the party
I wouldnt want some fancy food critic to come to my bbq unless we were really really good friends
as someone who goes to culinary school and has dorm mates going to be sommeliers, they are the best for parties. Especially if you have ones who like bartending too. They make the craziest fucking mixes that taste amazing. One of my friends made a cocktail using whiskey and white white as well as other ingredients that he spent weeks working on. It tasted fucking awesome. What the issue is, yall have 0% knowledge of the field so you blanket it with the negative connotation. You could, and people do, do that with any career choice, but because the culinary field is a creative output, its criticized a lot more.
Guess you missed him showing love to Milwaukee's Best? Anyone that has this guy pegged as a pretentious snob is bad at reading people. There's good and cheap and then there's shit and cheap. He's just trying to help you avoid the crap. Good on him.
I’m in stitches with your descriptions 😆🤣😆
This would be a video worth doing again, except with a blind tasting including some wines that he has highly rated.
PW Bue except there's no way he would agree to doing it blind
I know it's what you're supposed to do, but in my head every time he spits it out I'm like 'fuckin nerd'
Just discovered this guy and watched this video and another on
Why did they include every single shot of him spitting it out?
So he doesn’t get drunk in the end
I should be studying, but ive been watching this guy drink wine for over an hour now.
I think we would have all liked to see a guy like this do a BLIND taste test on boxed wines and being told it was an expensive wine.
+Black Jack Agreed, but I bet he could tell if he's the top sommelier in America.
Bouchon211 That's debatable. Not long ago there was a huge scam which consisted of a wine enthusiast that was selling knock off rare bottles of wine from the bourdeux region that he would fabricate in his own kitchen using blends of cheap wine. Bottles that he'd in turn sell for 10s of thousands a piece. Top wine experts that would buy his knock offs (unknowingly of course) wouldn't even say anything about the taste risking that somebody would question their wine tasting abilities. So they were convinced that it had to be good just because it was super expensive.
Black Jack I've heard of that, he wasn't necessarily using 'cheap wine' in the blends but I do understand your point. I wouldn't be surprised if a high percentage of supposed wine experts couldn't tell and don't have an extremely impressive palate.
I think some people really are amazing though, watch Uncorked, this guy was on it too. They are extremely impressive, they even call the years and region in blind taste tests.
Bouchon211 Oh definitely. I don't take anything away from these guys skills. I think it's just the asshole in me that would like to see them stumped by a cheap wine lol.
Black Jack Lol ya I would find pleasure in that too, especially the real snobs.
I was in the Franzia winery years ago. I was told that sometimes a batch comes out really good and that gets sold under a different name. The truly bad stuff, grape concentrate, I hauled to Mogen David in Ny for the md2020 wine that was mostly sugar wine flavor with grape
i got some grape juice i've been keeping in my closet since high school. love to get this guy to taste-test some of it!!!!
I'm now an informed consumer. Thanks Patrick!
keep doing taste tests bring a channel much success
You didn't review my favorite one: Vella White Zinfandel. Matter of fact, I'm drinking some right now, with ice cubes in it, out of a plastic glass. :-)
"Only the best wines get a nice, frothy head on them." Love it.
What will Patrick Cappiello grade next?
Bad sleeve tattoos.
Bring this back
Probably a Jewish wine, at an A+.
I’d rather be kicked in the nuts than have the phrase “Sommelier of the year” tagged on to my name
Hahaha
It should be interesting to watch a blind-tasting of these wines vs premium wines. 🍷🍷
Tetra pak wine, like the second sample, are great for camping trips. Kind of makes me wish you could get beer in a tetra pak format.
I actually tried the Franzia Merlot this weekend. First time buying boxed wine ever. Straight out of the tap it's not good. I let it sit for a while to breathe and it got better. It's not the worse wine I've had, bottled or boxed. I've had pricey wine (a cab I can't remember the label of) that tasted like a horse barn smells. I've had cheap wine (Gallo Family Hearty Burgundy) that, while having no real character, was easy to drink, not offensive and kinda nice. I've had cheap French table wine that was not good and I've had a heavenly pricey white that tasted like Lychee. In the end wine tasting is an adventure and a crap shoot.
Box wines have been my go-to pandemic option, mostly because I don't want to go lugging all those bottles for the amount I've been consuming. Good to know Bota is a half-decent option. I went between Bota and Black Box, guess I'll stick with the former.
LOL this was hilarious! Thank you. I picked up J. Lohr Cabernet Sauvignon per your recommendation! On my 5th bottle now, good times
This guys is funny, not pretentious as other "experts". Nice.
He really took one for the team.
De Bortoli here in Australia have an OK cab merlot 'box' wine. It's called cask wine here. It's nothing to write home about, but I've had worse bottled wines at more than thrice the price. p.s. If I was marketing box/cask wine anywhere, I'd probably not label it 'Bandit'. That can't be helping.
in australia boxed wine is known as "goon". Goon is a tradition, a right of passage if you will. When a young man or woman cannot afford nice alcohol during their university years, they buy goon as it has the highest alcohol content:price ratio. we love our goon, and trust me you would too if you knew all the good times that came with it
Hello and greetings from Malaysia. I am a learner here and in real life am a moscato aficionado.
A lot of people in this comment section pretending like there isn't a difference between cheap wines and more moderately priced wines. Yes, there are bad wines at higher price points and great wines at less expensive price points. Even in this video you can see the discrepancy between boxed wines. Wine is subjective, sure, but much like dog breeding there are examples of pedigree.
As someone who enjoys wine you'll rarely find me looking for wines above $50/bottle and the majority I drink are $15-25. Doesn't mean I don't actively seek out quality wines under $10 or never dislike a wine at $150+/bottle. There are certain characteristics and flavors of each grape that must be present and learning about how climate affects these characteristics means opening up your palette to different experiences. There also is a huge difference in how a wine is aged, the barrels, the processing, the storage.
The best thing about wine as a hobby is that there are infinite choices, nuances and you get fucking drunk at the end. You may choose to get drunk off a cheap box or you can choose to get drunk off something that has complex flavors and immense care in production. Most of us got drunk off shitty beer in high school and college and eventually got interested in better breweries -- some people still chug natty light.
In the end, no one is really wrong -- maybe you personally couldn't tell a difference between a $1,000 bottle or a $5 box. Maybe more people can't tell the difference between a stunning $15 bottle vs a poor $100 -- that's half the fun.
I think the value really tapers off after $10-$12 a bottle. And I've had pretty good luck with boxed wines.
Um I think he was more then fair. Those cheaper boxed wines taste aweful, but he gave Bota Box a high score of b+ and its a very good boxed wine. I have 2 boxes of it in my house right now.
Tasting and drinking wine is like taking a journey which tells you the work, love and soil the grape came from, thanks for the video.... ChateauxDeCrispin
(spits out wine)
"It's actually pretty good!"
Does he do that so he doesn't get drunk? :o
Correct. He films his tasting sessions just a few hours before the restaurant opens.
That is the "proper" way to do a wine tasting, yes.
pleb
I've wondered why beer tasters never seem to do this. It seems exclusive to wine.
wine usually has a higher alcohol content. you'll get drunk much faster swallowing taste tests of wine than you ever would beer.
Great videos!
He overpours
It's such a waste
@@anthonyhutchins2300 I don’t think he’s concerned with preserving every last drop of the $10 boxed wine
Finally a review I can use!
+Linda Mar Glad we could help-ha!
In Australia it is called a goon bag when it is taken out of the box, you find them in gutters and skateparks all over Oz
Gutter punk wine
Now tell us about those big Carlo Rossi wine jugs in the super market. I think they're right at the top of the screw top market segment.
La Vielle Ferme from the Luberon is available in box, and it’s delicious.
"isn't this the thing they look for in airplane crashes?"
That plane crash joke got me lol worth watching
the first wine pour reminded me of fargo when the guy peed in the coffee cup
bota is decent wine, he was accurate imo. he has been trained to look for a certain profile so his views are based on that training. it doesnt mean someone elses opinions are not valid. some love sweet sparklers and others dont. nbd
I bought the Black Box to try my first boxed wine because i figured "can't go wrong with 40 gold medals right" , simply because i live by myself and all my wine goes bad rather quickly and i dont feel like getting drunk on a daily basis. Holy shit it was bad. I'm no connoisseur, but it smelled terrible and had this metal taste that lingers in your palate. Can't believe i'll have to throw this away...it's undrinkable
dont trust wine awards, many of them can be bought
I think he was pretty honest actually. Didn't seem boxed wine biased or anything. If it tasted good, he gave it credit.
is this like a grade specifically for BOXED wine; or, is the grade a general grade, like for ALL wines, not just boxed? am i saying that right?
Why have I been binging these videos? I don’t even drink alcohol
Bota box red blend is what I drink almost everyday. I keep nice things in the cellar...
i hate wine... but i love this guy.. hes so good at being mean and being nice about it
OK, so we know he doesn’t approve of wines in a box. And to him more $$=better quality. Most of us have to make a trade off between $$$ and taste. I rate this video C-.
Agree, does he own a vineyard...is he a winemaker?
1:32 Getting a little tipsy from all that wine you've been spitting out?
r/ woooooosh
Would the acidity of the wine and the alcohol slowly dissolve the plastic bag inside the box?
Im from chile, never seen before "black box" here, all of wines from "casa silva" are good and cheap like 5 -10 bucks. what ever it's a wine bottle not box. nice review!
I think it would have been far better, if this would have been a total blind tasting with bottles wines as well. Not the box makes a wine bad, the content does. And it is important to note, that the typical boxes (with the bags inside) stay far longer drinkable than a bottle, as there is little oxygen which can spoil and oxidise the wine!
(not the first B+ wine though - because this box doesn't really has an advantage to a glass bottle).
One of the best. “It smells like wine”
Nothing beats good old Sutter Home wine.
I would not look for a cab in a box. Maybe instead a pinot noir, a merlot, a shiraz, a chardonnay. Those can be blended pretty well. I always think of cab as something that’s 30 bucks a bottle, from a single vineyard.
Think he did ok. bota box is better tasting than black box. Not a bad way to go for just wine around the house.
Bota Box Dark Malbec. I bought the Dark Malbec for a river trip, no glass allowed. I had to retest after the trip. No boxed wine should taste this good. Is this the vintage I bring to your house warming? No. Would I feel sheepish about bringing it out as the party goes into overs? Not at all. If I was going to be eating a lot of beef or pizza for a couple of weeks I’d be happy to have it handy. Best wine box for the price and when glass is restricted. I give it a river rat A+. Throw three in the raft.
He liked Bandit, ha ha! We have an old family joke... a fictitious wine called Switchblade, made in New Jersey by Ernesto and Julio Valponi, comes in a pop-top can. When Bandit came out 40 years later it thought it had come true!
Him knowing it comes from a box will effect the outcome.
My wine and beverage instructor in culinary school Refuse to know anything about the wine he was tasting because if he knew it was. expensive he would find a reason to like it and if the wine was inexpensive he would pick it apart.
Went to college to become a sommelier...no wonder we have a student debt problem
As I watch this I'm drinking a Bota Malbec. It is delicious.
I don't know why I had to keep watching him spit out the wine
I have to remember Bota Box Wine.
I'd like to see a wine tester grade a box wine without knowing it's a box wine.
The way I see is the first 2 drinks you have the flavour matters, but once I get tipsy I go for the cheaper stuff.
I drink Vella burgundy almost daily hahaha
He should do this as a blind taste test
I think you miss the whole point of boxed wine my friend....The point is that the bags are easy to pack and get passed security.....After your 3rd glass. You palate goes dead and wine tastes so much better. It's all about getting buzzed as cheaply as possible. That's why Vella Merlot and Vella Chardonnay are always out at your grocery store.
He doesnt know the purpose of box wine...hahaha funny when you said his palate went dead after 3rd tasting, haha
That's one of my favorite Friday night activities. Drink Bota Box and spy on my neighbors
I tried the Black Box cab. It tasted like mentholated grape juice.
Should do these blind with some good bottled wines in between. Statistics proved tasting wine is very much in the head.
He is a seasoned sommelier though. He literally gets paid to taste, smell, rate, and pair wines with foods. he can tell you a good tasting cheap wine and there are many to choose from but if it's bullshit he is going to let you know. he isn't being overly harsh on these. boxed wine is going to be trash most the time because it's mass produced.
utter bullshit, even if he was blindfolded and served a chilled white and red he wouldn't be able to tell the difference , the vast majority of wines are mass produced even the "rare" ones
that means they couldnt tell the difference its all in the mind and marketing bullshit
he said nothing about the color. and the studies aren't on white vs red white its on different wine brands
stop trying to speak facts about something you obviously know nothing about. Not all wines are mass produced. Thats literally impossible. most are small batch. Popular grocery store brands or boxed wines are made with lesser quality ingredients and chemicals to alter taste. Do you really think this can't be tasted by a professional? Plenty of cheap good tasting wine brands out there but generally speaking there is a reason why the brands he tasted are cheap and mostly drank by college kids and winos.
For some reason a wine expert annoys folks. The comments are nasty critical and many don't seem to be related to the actual video (like they didn't watch it). I think his record speaks for itself.
Remember ladies whilst drinking wine *spit* dont *swallow* 😎😎
Sadly I've seen Vella wine before at Freddy's Franzia looks really cheap. They sell black box wine at Wal-Mart. Rite aid has house box wine. Haven't had it though. Surprisingly though Rex Goliath has boxed wine as well. :)
I can see a lot of boxed wine drinkers are pissed.
Can you do boxed white wines please?!
He cracked me up :)
This absolutely should've been a blind test.
Yes yes a sip of the fancy cardboardeaux, pinkies up everybody : D