I guess there would have been another saga completely focussed on the phanthom troupe before they get away from the story but i guess that we will never see it happen
@@rayman8865how come? I’m not completely caught up with the manga yet (or even the anime) but weren’t there still chapters being released. Or is it too big of a spoiler
Just because gon and killua was able to break some phantom troup bones doesn't mean they are automatically weak. Gon was able to break illumi's arm and we all know hisoka more or less ranks illumi as an equal. Being prepared for a battle and getting surprise attacked makes a big difference.
Agreed. To be honest I don't think Illumi couldn't have avoided getting his bones broken by Gon. I think he pretty much allowed it, since it was no big deal to him, lol.
Illumi got his arm broken cause he wasn't using Nen to protect himself and didn't expect Gon to be capable of that much strength so even after being grabbed he put up 0 defenses. IF Illumi used Nen he could have easily defended and scared Gon away, I think he was being 'respectful of Killua's acquaintance' in his own way, stopping and speaking to Gon alone is more than he gives most people.
@@Professor_Fiction Gon is an Enhancer tho. He wasn't stronger at that point, but when he channeled his anger, he was strong enough to break his arm. Gon during Chimera Ant could be stronger than Illumi, physically.
@@shapeshifter7676 let's not forget that all the Zoldyck's have to train their physical strength just to pass the gate to get into their estate. I think people underestimate how physically strong Illumi is just cuz he's a manipulator.
@@Professor_FictionIt’s possible that he is without Nen. Gon is obviously way, way beyond any normal human and yes I know the Zoldyck gate and the assassin training but Illumi might have learned nen at an early age and just compensated physical strenght for nen but if we are being honest Togashi didn’t think to much about it.
Killua is stated several times to be explicitly stronger than Gon. Despite being a Transmuter/Enhancer vs. Gon being a pure Enhancer. Even Bisky reiterates this fact during the Greed Island arc. (Which surprised me) Preeetty sure Illumi is physically stronger than Killua, so..... Even amateur Nen can break bones. It's that much of an enhancement. Hence, the whole Heaven's Arena debacle. Nen adds that much offense/defense. So nenless Illumi getting his arm crushed makes sense to me.
@@Professor_Fictionhow do you explain the fact that chrollo decided to put machi with shizuku and pakunoda who both had death predictions instead of say nobunaga whose « the combat specialist », it’s because he knows she can defend them + chrollo or hisoka aren’t considered part of the fight squad yet if they were to go against nobunaga they would win. + why would she be the only one to stay alone in the boat being extremely confident in her ability to beat hisoka where as shizuku and nobunaga decided to team up with other people to chase hisoka. Lastly the argument that you make with killua breaking machi bones in the DARK is misleading; after all chrollo was captured with a chain from a far longer distance in the dark where as machi was kicked when he was next to her and still managed to regain her calmness in the dark and neutralise the escape; if it wasn’t for her gon and killua would have escaped; it tells us she is extremely smart and effective under pressure and unpredicted circumstances. We see that as well when she’s the only one fast enough to respond to kurapika chaining uvo.
@@ahmeddamdami5569I can only speak to the Hisoka thing. But to that, there’s a one off or HxH novel or something like that and it shows that Machi and Hisoka knew each other since they were younger. She isn’t afraid that Hisoka will kill her because he’s literally had no lie I believe 5 times so far to kill her but let her live. And she cares about him as well! After Hisoka’s death to Chrollo Machi stayed behind to take care of his body. So I think she’s not scared because either she’s going to die to Hisoka someone she obviously cares for, thinks that she may have the upper hand on him because they care for each other in some way, or hell she might just run away with him because… they obviously care for each other lol.
I pretty much agree with every placement besides maybe Machi and Illumi, but their placement really isn't 100% wrong. I think Illumi should be at S-class since Hisoka does consider him a worthy opponent, but he is blatantly featless and under the other two in terms of power, so top of A-class is fine imo. Machi as you said is also largely featless as well but I say she could be anywhere from low A to C-class. I personally consider her high B or low A, because again Hisoka does have some kind of interest in her fighting ability. Now its not on the level of Illumi or Chrollo but definitely above the other members including Uvo who definitely A-class. Keep in mind that most of the other members (besides braindead Nobu and Shizuka) are uncomfortable around Hisoka while Machi is largely annoyed with him and isn't afraid to interact with him or even threaten him. I know using Hisoka is not much but come on, he's constantly used as a measuring stick even in the series itself. He thinks Leorio has potential when he shown no innate talent and what do you know, the guy is now punching through freaking dimensions. Also, one thing that I have to mention is that Killua freezing up against Nobu was Illumi's doing, not Nobu. All that moment tells us is that Nobu is definitely stronger than Killua but not by how much and shouldn't be used to scale Nobu to the rest of the troupe. A prime example is Killua being affected by Illumi's needle against Rammot. Rammot was clearly stronger than Killua but not by much because once Killua removed the needle, he instantly one shot Rammot with no diff.
My only problem with Machi is Hisoka could simply be fascinated by her because of her ability or talent, not necessarily her straight up combat skills. As for Nobunaga, what I was trying to get across is Illumi’s needle affects Killua more depending on how outmatched he is. Against Phinks the needle didn’t trigger warning him he had no chance of escape, but did trigger against Nobunaga. Regarding Rammot, I’ve always figured the needle when triggering his fear response weakens him, since we know resolve and confidence has a huge impact on Nen
@@Professor_FictionYeah I know what you were trying to get at with Hisoka's fascination with Machi's ability, I was just pointing out Machi's side of their interactions hinting that there might be something more than just a fascination with her ability since almost all of the other members also had great abilities but Hisoka is more focused more so on others. And also the reason why the needle didn't trigger against Phinks is because Illumi linked it to Killua's self-preservation. Whenever Killua is up against someone stronger than him, because of the needle, his first instinct is to run. Killua was actively trying to escape Phinks, not fight him. Whereas with Nobunaga, Killua felt like his only option was to fight his way out, which triggered the needle.
Yep Machi is the only person in the troupe apart from Chrollo Hisoka has showed any interest in fighting, that says a lot, plus she’s also the person who knows Hisoka best and still thought she could take him
@@Professor_Fiction your logic is very flawed, when has Hisoka EVER showed interest in someone based on anything apart from fighting ability, he literally said he wanted to kill chrollo so he could get maki mad and fight her, the only other people he’s thought about like that are chrollo himself and illumi
Using hisoka as a metric to powerscale other characters is dumb especially since it’s already been proven that he’s delusional when it comes to his own strength.
I’m not sure why people give Uvogin a bad rap for having lost to Kurapika. Kurapika gave his abilities a bunch of restrictions specifically for killing the Phantom Troupe alone; just landing a chain on Uvogin means game over as it would for any other troupe member.
You probably heard that Fans have noticed the obvious Trend that Specialist-Nen never seems to be directly harmful to anyone; and i just agree with that (just wanted to mention it). But i did notice yet another thing. It seems pretty definitive that Specialist-Nen ALWAYS seems to 'layer above' some other Type. I mean, Kurapika 'enhances' his Nen-Efficiency, Meleoron 'transmutes' Invisiblity (while the only other time we see Camouflage is when Morel; in the same Story-Arc; camouflages himself with Grass via Transmutation), and Pakunodas Ability can only be described as a Form/Variant of Telepathy. And we all know which Nen-Type is heavily associated with Telepathy and Signal-Receiving: EMISSION. And this list goes on and on and can be applied to literally everyone. I think people have not noticed but you can do 10 Things with Nen: The normal 5 things plus what i call special-enhance, special-emit, special-manipulate, special-transmute and special conjure. I'm not a professional Speech-Maker, so my explanation may have been lackluster, so please feel free to ask questions. I never believed that Chrollo has the 'formless, shapeless' ability to 'steal stuff' and then also conjures a Book just to 'enchant it' with his said ability. That never made sense to me, but ok, Conjuration is right next to him, so it was kinda logical though odd. BUT if you want one giant Evidence for all i said today, i present to you a babe... named Neon Nostrade. She doesnt even know Nen and youre telling me she is 'emitting' an (ugly) Nen-Beast, making it 'manipulate' her Hand into doing something 'special'? THREE Types? From a rather simplistic Nen-User that isnt aware of Nen? No way. No way. No, instead, it seems to me that Chrollos Ability IS 'to summon a book that allows Ability Stealing' and Neons Specialist-Ability IS 'Fortune Telling in the form of a nen-beast manipulating her'. Means that both are pure Specialization-Abilitys but one can be forgiven to think it's other Types. And i legit believe that is the Point of Specialization.
The fact that Uvogin lasted that long when wrapped in chains is incredible. He was wrapped when he hit Kurapika and broke his arm and he had no Nen to protect himself when Kurapika was beating the living shit out of him in his strongest form.
HxH scaling is so weird man, you have to put characters with basically no real fights or no reveal of their hatsu in upper tiers automatically still lol, great video though
@@bombaymessyasf If you don't count Netero and Zeno and just make it Gon, Killua, Shoot, Knuckle Morel and Knov, then the phantom troupe pretty handly win
True but we’ve seen massive differences in aura amount before. I don’t think that dude on a beyblade top that Gon beat has any chance to beat Uvogin regardless of strategy. The shadows beasts were all immensely skilled with Unique powers but lost to raw power
Props for taking on such a touchy subject, people get extremely toxic and argumentative when it comes to power rankings esp if it involves their favorite character lol. Overall great list and informative as hell with reasoning behind every decision. When it comes to characters like Machi who we have literally nothing to scale with besides some little details it's better to just not rank them at all but if you had to rank them you did a great job.
@@darkgenesis342yeah I totally disagree with them. To say people who don't jump on the bandwagon are "toxic and argumentative" is being petty and actually sensitive. Just because a person doesn't agree and fundamentally brings their own argument into the picture doesn't mean that they're toxic and argumentative. I mean honestly people who feel like that, get over yourself. Everyone is entitled to disagree and bring forth their views on the same topic.
@@wadewilson8011 I'm not talking about people who bring their own argument and disagree without getting heated at each other, that's fine and I love talking about power rankings.. that's why I clicked on this video. I'm just talking about some of the things I've seen on the HxH subreddit for example where people have legitimately insulted each other for having a different opinion about a certain character.
@@Bluexepphoss there's your problem right there. You know damned well how toxic and argumentative reddit and Twitter aka X are. You can't put that off on HxH or any other form of fictional fanbase. Those platforms are going to be full of brash immature and ignorant people who do nothing, and have nothing else better to do with their lives. C'mon man,
@@Bluexepphoss L take It'd be silly to not rank machi We've seen her nen and It's silly to pretend like she must have some world ender ability in the tuck Killua abt put an end to her whole career, wayyy back in yorknew, as you will recall, mr. Machi Man
It's hard to judge power levels in Hunter x Hunter because characters have such diverse, complex abilities and different levels of superhuman traits, but it's also hard to judge power levels in any series that doesn't explicitly state them because writers are not scientists. People love jacking off feats, but whenever a writer draws a character punching something, there is basically zero chance he's also considering every other instance of a character throwing a punch and then using that as a gauge for what he draws (several mangaka have admitted to using fanmade wikis to recall characters' abilities). Hunter x Hunter especially has a trend of confusing the reader on what exactly is supposed to be impressive; critics will sometimes claim the power scaling is different in every arc, but defendants will point out the sheer volume of variables determining one's strength, such as whether they're tired, caught off guard, etc. There's also a scene that confirms Togashi thinks in this way (a scene the "Hunter x Hunter has no power levels" people hate to be reminded of) where Biscuit lectures Killua on character power levels and how people are almost never fighting at their best. Another detail that often gets forgotten, is most characters are implied to have more abilities than what is shown. Gon and Killua create their special abilities in just a few days. Since Wing estimates they'd master Ten about 30 times faster than a normal person, we can guess it takes a normal person a few months to develop a new ability. I guarantee most of the important characters, like the Troupe, are not "normal," but even if they were, you'd think at their ages they would've created a few extra abilities by now, just for the sake of utility and niche situations. And in fact, Togashi says they have. When the Troupe is first introduced, the narrator says every single member has a trump card they hide from the others, but we're never told what they are. For Pakunoda, everyone trusted her ability to read minds, so they must've known about that, but they probably didn't know about Memory Bomb. The anime changes this, but in the manga, when Pakunoda tells Nobunaga she'll inject Squala's memories into him, he has no idea what she's talking about, he just trusts she's using a Nen ability and not actually trying to kill him. This is also why Phinks reacts the way he does when she points her gun at them later. But it's not just the Phantom Troupe. If you remember, when we first hear Netero's Hyakushiki Kannon explained to us, it's when an off-screen character asks Zeno what his strongest ability is, and he has to think about it before landing on that one - meaning he has other abilities we never got to see. So it's hard to judge a character's power level and feats aren't the best to go by, but I think it is good to go by the narrative. If a character acts like they're stronger or it would be thematically fitting for them to be stronger, then they probably are. Because of this, my one nitpick would be how you downplay Franklin for not having feats. The other Troupe members listen to Franklin in a way that implies they trust his judgment and he has shown zero utility outside of combat. It would be very strange if he were weaker than all the support members you put him in a tier with. But furthermore, on the Black Whale, Franklin goes off on his own and actually waits in plain sight hoping for Hisoka to come after him, while Phinks and Feitan chase down Nobunaga because they don't trust him being on his own. The three also make it aware to the reader that they know what Franklin is doing and will go get him if they find a lead. This means Phinks and Feitan were afraid for Nobunaga's safety, but not Franklin's.
Great comment! I totally agree with how the writer probably isn’t comparing every single instance to the entirety of the manga, so it’s impossible to truly use this method of comparison fairly
As for your last comment it seems fietan and phinks are babysitting nobu cuz hes bad matchup for hisoka if his sword gets gummed by hisoka it might be over. Meanwhile for franklin it seems hes confident that his nen bullets bypass bungegum.
You may be downplaying Illumi a little. It's always heavily implied from a narrative perspective and through Hisoka himself, who you claimed to be an accurate source it terms of scaling. Hisoka believes Illumi would serve as quite the formidable opponent and Illumi himself even thinks he can KILL Hisoka when bloodlusted, which may potentially amp him. The most probable conclusion deducted from this would simply be that the two are on a very similar field in terms of scaling/highly relative to each other. Hunter Exams Gon breaking Illumi's arm isn't an anti-feat as Illumi wasn't using any nen at all, or is implied to have been taking Gon seriously. There's also the fact that Killua blatantly concedes inferiority to Illumi even without his nen at that point in the story, and Gon literally had to go through training to even open Killua's doors after the Hunter Exams. His reaction to his arm being broken is literally just "well ok he's interesting." Hisoka still thought he would pose as a formidable opponent even at the time anyways, which wouldn't make sense if his durability was at a level where fodder like Hunter Exams Gon could seriously injure him when he's actually trying; who Hisoka can no diff by the way.. My claims are of course in reference to Hisoka before his recent amps.
I do think they are somewhat relative just favoring Hisoka. And definitely weaker than Chrollo seeing as Hisoka values him more as an opponent. I rank him as 3rd strongest but I think him Vs Uvo or Feitan is debatable, but I still favor Illumi
@@Professor_Fiction About your point with favoring Chrollo, Hisoka's whols system on picking his targets is all over the place. Keep in mind that he was contemplating on killing KILLUA, who is relative to Gon in terms of potential and we SAW what that potential can be, just to get Illumi to fight him. The fact Hisoka was going to sacrafice Killua's potential to get Illumi's wrath ALSO says alot about how much he wants to fight Illumi, just saying.
Wrath in this context could mean rage. He’s not necessarily saying he’d need to kill Killua to get Illumi to fight him, what he could be saying is Illumi’s rage will make him more powerful and a more interesting fight. Rage amplifies your Nen shown countless times witb Gon. If Hisoka was ever pressed for a fight with Illumi he could literally always just jump him or pay him, as strange as it sounds Hisoka’s rich.
After Hisoka's post mortum nen buff I do think that he is stronger than Chrollo. Since Hisoka has now changed his motto to "I will kill you on sight", if Chrollo is not given the same luxuray of prep time against a stronger Hisoka I do think that Chrollo would loose this time around.
@@Professor_Fiction that’s not necessarily true since he whips out abilities he never showed before and still uses them - like a bunny gun leg. Whilst his nen may have gone back to what it was it seems his skills at leats definitely improved which does still make him stronger.
@@nekitaroyamaoto2135 you literally have zero proof of this. Everything points towards Hisoka having improved after his death rather than regressed. He had been injured before but never shown there’s applications but all of a sudden is showing far better mastery of his ability.
I personally believe that Phinks and Feitan are neck and neck. And you also didn’t bring up that Phinks said that he charged his ability too much and li😅only needed to use half of what he did to win.
My only thing with Phinks is his showing against the Chimera Ant Officer is pretty poor, whereas everyone in Class A except maybe Illumi has better feats. I think Feitan and Phinks are just friends, prolly closer than the other members and they both ended up becoming combat focused Nen users. That doesn’t mean they have to be equals
When it comes to Killua and Phinks there are a few things you accidentally missed. With Phinks, Killua had an illusion of escape still, which evaporated when Nobu appeared in the fourth floor window. Phinks was just messing around, unlike Pakunoda who was more serious with gon. If Phinks seemed half as serious as Pakunoda, killua would’ve reacted accordingly (fear). Illumi’s needle forces him to focus on enemies with the most bloodlust or intense emotion, Phinks had neither when encountering killua. Nobunaga cemented himself as the bigger threat immediately by being less mentally stable, then openly displaying his intent to kill, even asking “do you want to die now, or later?” And “speak out of turn once more, and I’ll kill you”. Phinks makes no such threats, as he doesn’t mean them. Nobunaga has reasons (rip uvo) and means what he says. When in a room full of the phantom troupe, it makes sense he focuses on the most immediate threat, even disregarding Hisoka, who is likely stronger than Nobunaga, because Hisoka had no reason to kill him *yet.* all in all a good vid!
I agree, I was more so constructing an argument for how you COULD say Nobunaga is above Phinks, but I don’t agree with it regardless. I was trying to have a lot of this video be open to interpretation
One thing I love about the Phantom Troupe is how many utility based powers they have. They have their designated fighting force of course, but there are a couple of the members who are pretty bad in real fights, but invaluable to the troupe in other aspects of the crime world. Pakunoda is probably the best example of that, in a fight she is pretty weak, but that is neither her designated role in the troupe, nor what she specializes in. But when it comes to extracting information out of someone, no one can do it as well as her.
Machi in the manga is getting some of the most attention of the Troupe, especially when it comes to Hisoka. A Machi vs Hisoka fight is likely in the future, and if one happens, I think Machi will go up in the rankings massively.
I think this ranking is 100% accurate. You made amazing points on why you picked the ranks. I don’t see how if you read/watched the series you can disagree with it. Thanks for making this 🙏🏾
Nobunaga & Uvogin were best friends. Considering Uvogin's mindset i always thought theyd be on a similar level while using their abilities. We've only seen Nobunaga use one ability tho. I wonder what his hatsu is🤔💭
@@hikaz8704 I think you're probably right, but it wouldn't be surprising to me if he revealed a simple ability (likely some kind of special attack with his sword) or perhaps something not directly suited for combat.
Something thats part of why Hisoka can deal out way better blows is that Chrollo has the lowest possible proficiency with enhancement at 50%, while Hisoka is a transmuter meaning he gets 80% in said category. Enhancers are generally bound to be physically dominant in fights for this reason
@@Kal911 Uvo would probably be physically stronger, but Silva would win. Uvogin is an enhancer after all, while Silva is an assassin and a transmuter who would focus much more on finer techniques rather than brute force.
@@aarohalme1020 I remind you the test gate, since he is the head of the family and looking at his body, it’s quite obvious that he can open through the seventh gate, add to this his immense quantity of nen and I’m quite sure he could clap Uvo even in that field. Remember the hole he made with a normal punch charged of nen in the chimera ant saga? It was close to Uvo hole made with his big bang attack. Imagine a Ko delivered with his whole strenght.
@@Kal911 Remember that the Zoldyck family is still vary of the troupe, and Uvogin is literally specialized in physical strength. Silva is literally an emitter as well, meaning he's specialized at using ranged attacks so he would have less need for brute force. Silva is a beast, but that's a lot to overcome for something that isn't his specialty.
i wold love a whole series dedicated to the phantom troupe, they are so cool and i would binge watch a series on their story, maybe going from the start and covering every charachter's evolution and their heists.
@@freatzy Lets doooo itttt! Plz start sentences big though - autistic people like m do mind. Anyway, lets go: Nen-Fun-Fact: Most Fans dont realize that Conjuration-Nen has a Replacement-Variant, as shown by Tsubone, Ikalgo and Greed Island, but most blatantly in the very last Chapter of the Mangaa yet. A Mechanic that i imagine to be quite popular as it's simple but potent: You give something up to get something new. You could even go to Extremes and conjure yourself into something like a Blade that cant levitate but needs to be used by Someone as a mere Blade, which would sacrifice everything about you temporarily (or even forever), even youre Autonomy, just to gain give youre Comrade Power. It’s basically Transifguration-Magic, the thing that Prof McGonagall teaches. Funny/Epic enough: this is the type that doesnt just allows you to summon Creatures like Werewolves but BECOME ONE. Wow. And of course all this can be used as Self-Cursing, which Conjuration is anyway best-suited for.
@@freatzy You probably heard that Fans have noticed the obvious Trend that Specialist-Nen never seems to be directly harmful to anyone; and i just agree with that (just wanted to mention it). But i did notice yet another thing. It seems pretty definitive that Specialist-Nen ALWAYS seems to 'layer above' some other Type. I mean, Kurapika 'enhances' his Nen-Efficiency, Meleoron 'transmutes' Invisiblity (while the only other time we see Camouflage is when Morel; in the same Story-Arc; camouflages himself with Grass via Transmutation), and Pakunodas Ability can only be described as a Form/Variant of Telepathy. And we all know which Nen-Type is heavily associated with Telepathy and Signal-Receiving: EMISSION. And this list goes on and on and can be applied to literally everyone. I think people have not noticed but you can do 10 Things with Nen: The normal 5 things plus what i call special-enhance, special-emit, special-manipulate, special-transmute and special conjure. I'm not a professional Speech-Maker, so my explanation may have been lackluster, so please feel free to ask questions. I never believed that Chrollo has the 'formless, shapeless' ability to 'steal stuff' and then also conjures a Book just to 'enchant it' with his said ability. That never made sense to me, but ok, Conjuration is right next to him, so it was kinda logical though odd. BUT if you want one giant Evidence for all i said today, i present to you a babe... named Neon Nostrade. She doesnt even know Nen and youre telling me she is 'emitting' an (ugly) Nen-Beast, making it 'manipulate' her Hand into doing something 'special'? THREE Types? From a rather simplistic Nen-User that isnt aware of Nen? No way. No way. No, instead, it seems to me that Chrollos Ability IS 'to summon a book that allows Ability Stealing' and Neons Specialist-Ability IS 'Fortune Telling in the form of a nen-beast manipulating her'. Means that both are pure Specialization-Abilitys but one can be forgiven to think it's other Types. And i legit believe that is the Point of Specialization.
Jupiter was more impressive than the 15x ripper cyclotron imo because of the insane range/inescapability. I do think phinks is probably stronger but purely cause of how he is positioned in the story, I think bonolenov’s feat is actually better
This list is easily the best one online. Machi is probably a low A tier, but I agree with her placement for now since she just has no feats. Its super unclear how strong shalnark is, with autopilot being anywhere from peon ant level to high squadron leader level, so I think I agree with that too. Uvogin is super strong, and he would have annihilated kurapika if kurapika didn’t sacrifice both an ability and his own life just to kill him, so another great placement. Finally, I think I would put post mortem hisoka above chrollo but chrollo above normal hisoka.
I didn't search for this, i just happened to searched a lot of HxH explained type of channels in the past, so the algorithm did it for me. I would like to point out to everyone watching this video: this is ranking battle ability, not nen ability or who has the most aura. The thing about HxH is, people with only supportive or utility ability can and proofed to be useful in certain situation, that ppl who lacks battle ability but useful in something else are accepted to big groups, like Phantom Troupe here. This is not an Anime or Manga which battle ability actually reign supreme, the groups not just recruiting heavy hitters for wonderful battle scenes, but many people who is useful at something else are valuable in the world of HxH, and it shows. Thx for the video, it's really make sense for me... .
I'd say the tiers are pretty good. For the A tier i would put Uvogin at 5 because his abilities are pretty limited and i think the other two have more hax that could make them stronger against more different opponents. Then i would probably put Illumi at 4 and Feitan at 3, but it is only a gut feeling. Also because Feitan was briefly the head of the spiders and i know it was just a random contest and not for skill but i think Togashi made Feitan the temporary leader and not someone else for a reason, i think he was hinting to his strenght. And we could say Feitan outperformed every other spider that was present during the chimera ant fight, and i know they are all on a lower tier but it is still impressive. For Hisoka and Chrollo in my mind they are basically equal, and i would say Hisoka is most definetly phisically stronger than Chrollo. Maybe it is only my impression but to me it looked like Hisoka was hitting harder and Chrollo had to play 4D chess to avoid being hit because the fight could end there while Hisoka was tanking hits and hitting back everyone like a truck. And it would make sense because Chrollo being a specialist has the worst affinity with enhancement (40%), while Hisoka being a Transmuter has enhancement as one of his next best affinities (80%). Chrollo definetly has the advantage in variety of skills and he is really smart and tactical, but Hisoka is really perceptive and instincive and the one skill he has he mastered it and he knows how to use it in hundreds different ways for every scenario he can find himself in. Both really good strategists with amazing creativity, i would probably put Chrollo at number 1 because we saw their fight but let's not forget that Chrollo had to put all the odds against Hisoka, i think it would be far more difficult for him without prep time, maybe i COULD see Hisoka being slighty above Chrollo. There are other positions that i would switch around a bit inside the tiers but the comment is already really long, overall for me it's a pretty solid list, well done.
Hisoka and Chrollo are not basically equal lol Chrollo is league above Hisoka. Yall overrating Hisoka too much. Hisoka is on par with Feitan Phinks Illumi Kite Morel.
Uvogin is just so physically powerful I’m not sure if Feitan would be able to use his ability, but if you think he can that’s okay, that’s why they’re in the same tier Feitan becoming leader I don’t think matters too much but it wouldn’t change the ranking. Everyone else that was there, Bono, Phinks, Shizuku, are all below Feitan anyway. Uvogin was dead and Illumi wasn’t a member at the time. So yes at the time of the chimera ant arc Feitan was the second strongest member, but that wouldn’t include the entire troupe across all of the story
@@Professor_Fiction yeah, i agree that Uvogin could be a bad matchup for Feitan's ability, i was talking about the fact that their abilities are more useful against a more wide variety of opponents (not Uvogin in particular in this case). I wasn't considering their specific matchup against each other, i was talking about against any opponent. Anyway i don't have much to say Feitan is over Illumi and Uvogin, as i said it is only a gut feeling, i agree they should be around the same tier. I could even see Illumi being in the higher tier with Chrollo and Hisoka honestly for how he is portrayed, it's just that we don't have so many Illumi feats to try to compare him.
@@Edogawa199X without prep Kuroro might have lost to hisoka, so they're pretty even, Kuroro just outsmarted him this time. Also Kaito and Morau are slightly above Phinks/Feitan imo, considering they faced royal guards which scales way above Zazan.
@@Professor_Fiction If he can land a strike on Feitan tho. Feitan is faster than Uvo. Feitan receiving punishment is unknown but im confident that Uvo cant 1 hit Feitan. Fei is 3rd 4th Illumi and 5th Nobunaga 6th Uvo/Phinks.
Great video ! I agree with pretty much everything and you make great points. I differ a bit though and would rank them Hisoka (Post-Mortem Nen), Chrollo, Hisoka, Illumi, Uvogin, Nobunaga, Feitan, Shalnark (Autopilot), Phinks, Franklin, Machi, Bonolenov, Shalnark, Shizuku, Kalluto, Pakunoda, Kortopi I say Hisoka is stronger then Chrollo simply since he has face him once already, got a big amp in strength after death and Chrollo would likely not have any other Troupe members in the future since it led to two members death.
HxH + Power scaling doesn't mix well due to the complex nature of Nen and rules/restrictions that go along with it. Nen User A could lose against Nen User B simply from getting countered by 1. A different Nen Affinity. 2. Skill expression/IQ. 3. Vows/Restrictions. 4. Location/Environment A few examples: Chrollo v.s. Hisoka was heavily favored through Location, Prep Time, Hatsu, and Skill Expression based off the above. Under different circumstances, the outcome could've been completely different. Kurapika with Vows/Restrictions had Chrollo's life in the palm of his hand, but I highly doubt Kurapika can survive a 1v2 with the Zoldycks the way Chrollo did. Anyways, that's just me yapping, but nice content! I usually just skip anything HxH involving power scaling.
I tried to rank the characters “generally” as in “who wins MOST of the time” or who is the overall strongest. I think you’d have to agree outside of fringe scenarios someone like Pakunoda or Shizuku stand no chance against Uvogin. That’s also why I made tiers to the more close and debatable matchups, like for example how Feitan vs Uvogin could go either way depending on those factors, but either one of them would beat those in Class B most of the time
I tried to rank the characters “generally” as in “who wins MOST of the time” or who is the overall strongest. I think you’d have to agree outside of fringe scenarios someone like Pakunoda or Shizuku stand no chance against Uvogin. That’s also why I made tiers to the more close and debatable matchups, like for example how Feitan vs Uvogin could go either way depending on those factors, but either one of them would beat those in Class B most of the time, or how Phinks probably packs more firepower than Nobunaga but Nobunaga is much more skilled
@@Professor_Fiction I agree, I may have worded things wrong in my comment, that's my bad. Like it would stupid to compare the royal guards to majority of the other characters in the story. Overall it's a good list and it's pretty hard to rank characters that may have imbalances in IQ/Strength/Nen
@@Lightskinned2.0 idk. While he’s really strong we really don’t see much from him beyond that in terms of fighting skills. It’s most been prep and tactician skills. We know he is around Hisoka level at least. Perhaps his potential is S but you’d have to stretch it. The way I see it is chrollo is around A-S tier, Chrollo beats Hisoka semi-easily, and Hisoka is about equal to chrollo. Hisoka himself being A tier
@@Professor_Fiction If you were gonna do it would you consider characters that should be really strong but we know next to nothing about (I.e Maha, Zigg, Don, etc.)?
The point I was making is that her best feat is overpowering Gon and Killua and she still did a pretty bad job. Even if you say she was off guard or holding back or sometbing, it’s all we know about her combat abilities
Yup, I’m seeing a lot of comments about Machi’s placement lol. Dang, I didn’t know she was such a fav, I always overlooked her 😅 Not that you’re right or wrong, but I can agree with your placements based on the reasonings you give for your personal placements. Especially those with less to no feats. I do have to say that with Feitan vs Zazan, the PT repeatedly said that he wasn’t at full strength during the whole fight. So I see it kind of hard to scale his actual spot in a number, I do agree with it being in A though.
The way I see it, he was already outclassing the other members, while not at his peak. He could be slightly higher but to say any more would be headcanon
Some argument to chrollo favor to definitely put him above hisoka Chrollo scratched Silva with a poison knife while fighting Zeno and Silva simultaneously without an hatsu Therefore, Chrollo should have decent to great chances of scratching Hisoka with the knife, paralyzing him, just in CQC without any hatsu. Chrollo told Hisoka about every hatsu he planned to use. We have seen repeatedly in HxH that keeping Nen abilities secret is an enormous advantage or disadvantage. Pariston literally set up an enormous rouse to see Ging’s hatsu and Ging purposefully chose not to show him. Chrollo was making an insane flex by telling Hisoka every hatsu he would use in their battle, as well as their nuances and weaknesses. We do not see Nen users do this when fighting people they consider remotely their equals. Chrollo artificially restricted himself to using only 3 abilities in the fight, citing it was more than he used for anybody else. He has more, but seems to always choose to limit himself to two or less (except for Hisoka) because it’s either a matter of pride or entertainment. I very much doubt that at no time would it have been more efficient to use some other ability. Chrollo said he valued style over victory Why would Chrollo give Hisoka all these advantages of telling him each ability and their weaknesses, say he would only use 3 abilities and no more, not using a hax poison knife, and so on? Because he was maximizing style. He was flexing on a televised match. Heck, even early in their fight, Chrollo landed critical punches and yet never stuck a needle in him. It was theatrics. Therefore, a Chrollo that will use any and all abilities whenever he wants, and gives Hisoka no knowledge on them, a poisoned knife and enough skill to scratch Silva when Silva had Zeno as pure backup, and values an efficient victory overs stylish one, should win. I just don’t see any way that that is not logical at this point. Not knowing an enemy’s hatsu while they know yours is already such an enormous advantage. Needing to only scratch an opponent while having semi adult Zoldyck CQC abilities is an enormous advantage. Together, it’s ridiculous. Hisoka did not want a fair match with Shalnark or Kortopi. He is fighting the way Gon did against superior opponents when trying to use ambushes to maximize his odds. A tangent point, but an important one. We have seen REPEATEDLY that the Troupe will let one member fight in a true 1v1. Uvo and Feitan were each heavily pressured while the rest of the Troupe played cards and chilled. Yet Hisoka chose to ambush Kortopi in the bathroom when Kortopi didn’t even have his hatsu. This is not what someone does when they’re hugely superior. Yet this is for some weird reason compared as equivalent to Chrollo’s prep. Chrollo showed up formally for a scheduled match that Hisoka agreed to, explained all the abilities he would use, as well as their weaknesses and nuances, and gave Hisoka the chance to back out twice after explaining the abilities he planned to use. This is very different than Chrollo ambushing a hypothetically hatsu-less Hisoka with Ghost Fish and other hatsu or whatever while Hisoka was taking a shit and didn’t know anything was coming. Next time they meet Chrollo will fight with pure intent of Murdering Hisoka in the shortest, most convenient and most effective way possible without having the slightest desire for making it a fun battle.
You nailed every single point. I made a post on this on Reddit recently with very similar points. Chrollo folded Hisoka so badly that the killer clown had a full on orgasm. Hisoka had never been defeated or faced an enemy he could do nothing against. Chrollo utterly humiliated him. Even without prep, Chrollo was likely to kill him anyways. He is simply put, better than Hisoka in every way.
wow the way you ate every single point up cause hisoka fans swear up and down chrollo would lose if he didnt have prep like dude literally told hisoka the abilities he’s using and the weaknesses 😹
Hisoka could very well be so powerful and skilled that the poison knife wouldn’t work or he would straight up tank it. There’s nothing wrong with that idea The way Chrollo explains it is not restricting himself, but carefully planning pretty much every part of the fight. He did say he cared about style but he never said that’s what he was focusing on. By his own statements, and I included this in the video, when preparing for a fight Chrollo eliminates all possibilities that he could lose. He sets up the conditions for a 100% victory. This includes the heavens arena so he can easily hide in the crowd, launch puppets, and have plenty of time to create bombs. These are things he probably cannot do on the fly, but regardless he clearly saw Hisoka as such a major threat that he needed to set up these conditions for a sure fire victory You’re overestimating how easily it is for Chrollo to just whip out abilities. Zeno said it himself, it’s very hard for Chrollo to actually fight with his ability which is why he relies on a poison knife to fight people. It’s not easy to go flipping through pages while also pondering strategies, moving his bookmark around and activating multiple Hatsu at the same time. This is why he spent most of the fight hiding in the crowd, so he could freely bum rush Hisoka with puppets and attack him when he wasn’t looking. It’s also very likely that Chrollo was further playing mind games on Hisoka by explaining his abilities to make Hisoka second guess himself and underestimate Chrollo, which he literally did in the fight when Chrollo outplayed him and he realized he was wrong
Illumi is a type of character that doesn't do much, but u know that he's strong af... His presence alone delivers that, and by the fact that Hisoka likes him and he's the Zoldyck's oldest son, that just implies how strong he is.
Raw power is like raw numbers in military. Quality over quantity is a good general rule that is wise follow and acknowledge, but one should also remember that quantity is a quality in and of its self. So at a certain point the difference of quantity becomes an issue of quality vs quality. In military history strategists wouldn’t just rely on their military being of a better quality than their adversary. Quantity, when treated as a quality, has to be measured and managed like any other quality. So funnel large numbers into a narrow area where the larger numbers cannot be used at the same time. Use the fact large numbers are harder to control and manoeuvre. Orders and information are harder to transverse a large group, so employ subterfuge and instil discordance among the ranks. But at a certain point quantity is often just too overwhelming
I'd put nobunaga higher considering he was teaming up with uvogin. They were the 2 fighters of the troop, so most likely the most experienced fighting wise. I guess we'll see more about him in future scans.
Pretty much agree on all of them, great ranking! Could you make a similar video on all the chimera ants? We obviously know the strongest 4 + Gyro. But it'd be nice to know how the rest would rank against eachother.
i HEAR what you’re saying about machi, but you’re wrong. She is consistently shown to have a faster reaction time than whichever troupe members are around her in that moment. She had made direct threats to Hisoka that she’d kill him, which indicates a level of relativity, as she is also known to have good instincts. Machi is at worst one or two spots below Hisoka. While her combative skills might be weaker than other members, her reaction time would be more than enough to compensate.
I’m assuming the reaction speed feat you’re referring to is when she threw a needle on Uvogin when the other troupe members were just surprised, but that’s just the thing. The other troupe members don’t have an ability like Machi does. Nobunaga can visually see what’s happened, go “awooga?!” but he can’t throw his sword and follow it back to where Uvogin is being captured I do think it’s PLAUSIBLE the threats against Hisoka have some merit, however, and I apply this to most of the Troupe members in general, it’s that they probably don’t know how strong Hisoka really is. She may have a vague idea but even when Hisoka fought Kastro he was holding back at the time
@@Professor_Fiction not just the thread but also in the hotel (i think). Machi immediately realized Gon and Killua freed themselves, and then reacted to Killuas enhanced jab upon contact. Realizing they were free was less impressive because she probably felt it through her threads, but her defending against killua using only her sense of touch is genuinely insane, a Kenpachi type feat. Comparatively, a much weaker gon was able to steal hisoka’s badge in the hunter exam by catching him off guard. The two examples are not too similar and are definitely not 1 to 1, but I can guarantee that Machi would not have lost her badge. To further this point, Hisoka DOES have a ranged ability he could’ve used to snag back the badge, but he simply could not react fast enough as far as we are aware.
Well, I’d hope she could react to someone as their fist is actively in their gut. I mean, that’s just reacting to the sensation of pain lol. The second time Killua attacked she didn’t even bother defending she just manipulated her ribs to trap him. With Hisoka, it had been made clear that under normal circumstances that Gon would have no chance getting the badge. The scenario had to be pretty much perfect for him to succeed and it was. Hisoka was ridiculously bloodlusted and distracted to the point he had tunnel vision. He was so focused on killing the person in front of him, then when Gon did grab the badge he didn’t even bother trying to get it back. He kinda was just surprised Gon managed to pull it off. I think you’d agree it would be pretty cartoonish to say Gon flinging his fishing rod isn’t as fast as Chrollo or Razor. That’s barring the fact Hisoka likely held back a majority of the exam to have more fun with the weaker participants
Franklin is being HARD underestimated here, dude is ranked no.4 on the physical scale and he has an insane emmiter ability, like look at the latest manga chapters for reference, Kurapika is being really thoughtful when facing guys with guns and Franklin has an ability that fires nen bullets, not to mention he is the guy that sits ALONE waiting for Hisoka (Confident for his abilities) Imo Franklin is one of the strongest troupe members out there.
The physical scale is not including Nen, most likely. Kurapika in base has no scaling, so that isn’t saying much. And Franklin doesn’t necessarily have any idea how strong Hisoka is, a random monk who’s never seen a tv before could think he could take down Mike Tyson doesn’t mean it’s true
@@Professor_Fiction I think everyone in the Phanton Troupe knows how strong and serious Hisoka is after fighting Chrollo and killing Kortopi and Shalnark. Honestly it would be better not to rank them at all if one of your arguments for them not being strong enough is "I haven't seen any feats by him".
I'm agree with you, in Yorkshin Franklin said "you are all being too generous with Hissoka, he has nothing special" like "yeah, strong but not enough for me to acknowledge him" for me Franklin is a monster
@@Professor_Fiction You kept referring to the "duel" between Nobunaga and Franklin and Nobunaga didn't use his sword so he must be stronger. Yeah well, Franklin didn't use his emitter bullets either which are his main weapons. And Nobunaga also has no real feats shown but you rated him highly because he is the troupes "combat specialist'. Franklin is also a combat specialist.
the criteria used to assume power most of the time makes no sense using funny fights between members, considering that being strong how bad the enemy is after their abilities hit them etc... there's just not enough information to rank them specially if we consider that the plot of the chimera ant fights was just to show off their powers, so it wouldn't make sense to have all of them one shot the enemies
Well most of them did one shot their enemies. I’m not saying we have the full understanding of their limits and abilities but the list is supposed to be a gauge of what we know so far
14:43 I think that these recent notes refer more to how you use your talent and potential as a type of enhancer, rather than ranking their raw strength or power
That’s true, but enhancements is just putting Nen into your body. Emission and the other skills do have other talents but that’s all enhancement really does. It basically just means Uvogin is better at putting his Nen into his body as opposed to Gon
İ do believe shalnark is underrated as hisoka points out advantage of being a manipulator is once your conditions met you directly win which means if you get hit by that antenna you are done basicly
Let me start by saying not a machi fan boy and I do like the video. I do agree that powerscaling somewhat exsists in HxH. As you said very few people can do anything to Meruem. Although 1 of them being Phinxs theoretically at least. Netero honestly depends on your ability. With that being said I got things to say. The guides I’m pretty certain shouldn’t be taken with any seriousness. If you want I can list quite a lot of things that just don’t add up in there or are currently invalid. However, I got to point out your intentionally leaving out machi was caught off guard along with pakinodo and Chrollo to use that as validation already seems faulty. Maki also seems pretty confident she can beat Hisoka on the boat hence why she chooses to go alone. In terms of the troupe as you know everyone is going to disagree with some placements. Using Hisoka as the scale of interest is rather odd, he thought he honestly thought could fight Netero. Hisoka’s desire to fight chrollo simply stems from how long it took to actually achieve it, not because he’s the strongest person he’s seen. I do believe Uvogin is stronger than Hisoka because realistically speaking Kurapika beats any troupe member in 1v1 fight so that’s not a valid comparison. Obonaga said he’d only lose to Uvo in a unarmed fistfight. The troupe members phinks especially is certain they could beat Zanzan with relative ease. Reason Feitan even took as much damage as he did well the implied reason is because he literally took an unguarded nen attack. I strongly doubt he put his all in that strike because what phinks said right after was he didn’t expect no damage. I don’t think they were overconfident because currently in the manga they’re smart enough to realize not to attack a group of nen users head on without knowing what there capable of. Using gon to scale phinks when phinks literally said he could use significantly less than that and the first punch he threw had no aura. I do think current Hisoka is a lot stronger. Also it seems there’s a misconception about the expo but those aren’t in terms of raw fight power it’s in terms of if they reached the maximum potential of their respective abilities. With all that being said I’ll have to say I’d rearrange a few members . TLDR; placements sound wrong based on what you presented from Machi, feitan phinks Illumi nobunaga uvogin Hisoka pre death if post he can stay there.
I didn’t include Machi being off guard because I didn’t feel it necessary. I wasn’t using the fact she got damaged by Killua to say she was weak, I was saying that she has bad feats AND she got damaged by Killua. It was mainly a supporting point but I don’t think it matters. I guess I should’ve explained a little better Basically the point for Machi and Paku was that their only feats in the entire series is beating early Gon. It’s all they have going for them. If a random boxer easily took down a feather weight boxer in a fight, knocking him out in one punch, would you naturally presume he could take down Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather? No, and Machi hasn’t done anything to place her higher. That was the point. When Hisoka encountered Netero Netero was extremely rusty and wasn’t really showing off his power. It’s very well possible that in his rust and age he was weakened to the point Hisoka would be a hard fought match. It’s also explained by Killua that the stronger someone is, it’s harder to sense their true power. Netero was of course not flaunting his strength, and even Pitou who has an innate six sense to know how strong someone is, she thought she could take down Netero until he pulled out the Gyuanyin. So even then I don’t think Hisoka would be able to sense Netero’s Gyuanyin, so either Netero is so much stronger Hisoka just don’t know how strong he is, or he’s so rusty that without his Gyuanyin Netero is near Hisoka. Machi is confident he can fight Hisoka but for all we know she has no idea how strong Hisoka is. He constantly holds back in fights to have a good time so we don’t know if she’s even seen him fight at his max. The only time would maybe be against Chrollo but it’s also possible machi just showed up at the end instead of watching the whole fight. The statement from Nobunaga is that Uvogin would constantly beat him and Franklin up in fist fights. He never said “I only could lose in a fist fight” he’s referring to past events. Phinks never said he was certain he could easily stomp Zazan. He just was confident about fighting her and that he’d win. Feitan also used Ko, and Ko is literally using all your Aura at once. By definition it should be his max output without his Nen ability. And if you don’t think they were overconfident that’s fine, I wasn’t saying that was 100% true either, just a possibility. It wouldn’t change the ranking either way The first punch Phinks threw did have aura. If you read the manga, there’s a giant mass of aura swirling around his hand. And I never said he needed 15 swings to defeat his opponent, but the fact he would’ve needed 7-8 swings is bad since Uvogin and Feitan prolly could’ve done it without their Nen abilities. Gon is also able to defeat officers without using Nen abilities I didn’t mean that the entire Nen expo was about raw power, but for enhancers it should be since enhancement Nen is literally just how good you are at making yourself stronger
if u actually watched the anime,u could tell illumi has a huge amount of aura, killua said it more then once, hisoka praised hes aura also, not one of the zoldyck family fight when theres nothing to gain, illumi and hisoka are very similar and illumi isnt interested in fighting like hisoka is.
I definitely think that Chrollo is #1 but not by a large margin right now. Chrollo was confident he could beat Hisoka he just used the prep to ensure his victory (this without prep scaling is further enforced by him being relative to Zeno and Silva). I also think that Hisoka isn’t stronger than Zeno or Silva because he is only slightly stronger than illumi. However this is all before Hisoka dies and gets post mortem nen, this is when I think Hisoka gets into S tier.
1- Hisoka = Chrollo ( in a fair fight it will be 55% for Hisoka and 45% for Chrollo ) 2 - Illumi 3 - Phinks ( when Feitan was fighting against Zazan, Phinks was making comments about Feitan's silly mistakes such as letting his body completely exposed to her Aura, and he said that her Aura was weak but she was able to put severe damage on him. And he made it seem that he is not the type of guys to make such mistakes unlike Feitan.) 4 - Uvo ( the only different between him and Phinks is that Phinks has more battle IQ which will give him a huge egde against Uvo, i don't think that Phinks will make a silly mistake such as not using Gyo against Kurapika ) 5 - Feitan ( he has the same battle IQ as Uvo but i ranked him lower because Uvo has the ability to one shot him before he even has the chance to activate his ability, you may say that Feitan is faster but Uvo's attack has a big range therefore speed will not be enough also he can use sound attacks ). 6 - Nobunaga and then you can rank the rest as you want.
Phinks didn’t say Zazan had weak aura. He saw that the emitter attack she threw was just some weak aura. And he didn’t say Feitan made a silly mistake, Feitan was surprised that his attack did no damage, and got hit before he had time to defend himself. That’s not an anti feat compared to Phinks. Uvogin has way better power output than Phinks
@@Professor_Fiction Yeah an experienced fighter will never expose his body just for one small attack such as KO, Feitan was lucky that the emited aura from Zazan was weak otherwise he would've been dead. Uvo made only one mistake against Kurapika and he is now a goner. Yes Uvogin have better output but Phinks is smarter and also we don't know the real extent of his ability.
@@aimenemahamdi4360 Ko isnt a small attack bro. It's Basically focusing your whole Aura on 1 spot. Feitan confidently exploit Zazan's transformation to come on top of her. But the Skin is just rock solid. Even Phinks would struggle with Zazan. Zazan isnt stationary like the monke guy. Feitan>Phinks.
@@aimenemahamdi4360 Chrollo vs Hisoka is one sided beatdown. Its a Fair match. Hisoka can see Chrollo fight in the arena same with Chrollo on Hisoka. But skills and strategies Chrollo is on another level. It shows how Hisoka's battle iq is sub par with Chrollo. He never figures out Chrollo even in his Post mortem form. Thats why he killed Shal and Kortopi. More on Chrollo > Hisoka Pissed Chrollo > Post Plot Armortem Hisoka. (Chrollo 60% vs Plot Armortem 40%)
@@jeromedalisay1210 Ko is considered a small attack because we never saw any one get killed or even badly injured by Ko. Even Gon who is an enhancer couldn't finish or even badly damage Genthru who was completely exposed. That's what i meant, you shouldn't let your body exposed unless you are sure that your attack is strong enough to badly damage the opponent and Feitan understimated Zazan and he was lucky that her counter attack wasn't that strong otherwise he would've been dead. In nen battles even small mistakes will lead to your death if the opponent is smart enough, Uvo's only mistake was not using Gyo, and same for Kastro (although he was going to lose anyway but he could've put a better fight by calming down and using Gyo to see the bangee gum). Phinks on the other hand doesn't seem like the type of guys that make such mistakes, he may seem reckless but in serious moments he tends to analyse and estimate the opponent power before attacking. He was the first one who noticed Razor and he could see how strong he was so he didn't attack recklessly. Now imagine if it was Uvo for example or Feitan leading the troupe instead of Phinks, they will surely attack without hesitation and a silly mistake against someone like Razor will mean death.
From all of the Phantom Troupe Ranked videos, i still find this one the most accurate so far; you have done great observations like the one with Machi. However i could still argue with some of your Analysis. - Eventhough Machi is pretty much a supportive character, she can still use the stitches to heal herself, whenever she gets hurt. - Not because Machi, Nobunaga and Franklin were not present when the Phantom Troupe were fighting the Chimera Ant Squadron Leaders; that lower their fences. I mean Franklin has very powerful and has deadly Nen Bullets. - Speaking of Class A, i'd definitelly rank Nobunaga in there. I mean from all of the Troupe Members, Nobunaga along with Feitan & Uvogin is the one who shows off his combat abilities the most. Like you said he is always there to protect the supportive characters weaker than him like Franklin, Shizuku & Machi. Nobunaga has been showned to be able to challenge Hisoka, Chrollo, Feitan, Phinks & Franklin on sparring matches. Not only that but since Nobunaga used to fight alongside Uvogin often, it pretty much tells you how strong & powerful he is; probably equal or even more powerful than Illumi............. that's just my own observation. - Speaking of Illumi, i know that by just being born as a Zoldick he's a beast, and eventhough Hisoka is very confident in his power to the point that he ranks him above most of the Zodiacs; we haven't seen much of his combat style. Only the time when he killed all of the Ten Doers. I still rank Illumi as equal as Nobunaga (call me crazy but even probably lower). So with me being a big Hunter X Hunter fan and after watching this video i will give you my Tier List from the Phantom Troupe Members, and just like you did, no particular order on the members from the same Class: Class D: Kortopi & Pakunoda Class C: Calluto, Shalnark, Shizuku & Machi Class B: Bonolenov, Phinks & Franklin Class A: Illumi, Nobunaga, Uvogin & Feitan Class S: Hisoka & Chrollo Great analysis man, very good observation on Machi, however i still argue with the fact that Machi can heal herself with her own Nen Stitches. And yes Hisoka & Chrollo are in the same tier as Silva & Zeno Zoldick. PS: I know we haven't seen much on Omokage except from the Phantom Rouge Movie, nor from the member who got killed by Silva Zoldick; however due to the fact that one of them fought Silva and warned his family about the Troupe and the other being powerful to the point that even Hisoka spared his life i'd probably consider them as Class B+.
I actually largely agree with this list say for a couple of placements due to Observations. Everyone is I think giving Illumi a whole lot of credit, as you stated yourself Hisoka likes to fight lots of people including Leorio and as much as I love him Leorio gets washed by 99% of the series. Meaning Hisoka liking someone doesn't akin to strength, this doesn't mean Illumi isn't strong because that's just not true he is a Zoldyc after all however Illumi is relatively featless from what we see he's considered strong similar to Shalnark because of his ability to control people but he also has assassination, his abilities I don't think scale that highly with the majority of the troupe I would put him in High C to mid B. Now that being said I'd definitely like to kick Pheton up as he himself stated that the huge sun was one of his weaker abilities meaning he has so much more room for potential and with that as his main ability I expect him to have tons of endurance capable of outlasting alot of the troupe until he's able to decimate them. I think top of A is a good spot for him Nobunaga is an enigma but his overall presentation hints at him being on the stronger end, the fact that he's a troupe member and still hasn't shown his Nen ability even through multiple high level combat missions says it all, he's outlasted most of the gang and you can tell by how Chrollo speaks with him he's respected I'd say he scales above Uvogine purely off Spoken Merit. And finally I believe Hisoka takes the win against Chrollo 9 times out of 10 post Heaven's arena duel as Hisoka states himself that he's gained tons of power and Hisoka using those terms speaks for it self, he's already an extremely gifted fighter so if he gets a high output of nen to boot there's no telling what Hisoka can come up with
I don't know but, you consider it fair to rank Machi base on pure feats, while you rank Illumi base on statements? Not fair. Hisoka contradicts himself too. He isn't the ultimatum reader of the environment. By only saying he wants to fight Netero he shows it. That can't be a fight just a straight up one sided massacre. So Hisoka ranking Illumi above Zodyacks isn't something clear or precise it. Or even right. Also it's weird to take it like this bcs, Illumi presents absolutely no fear for Hisoka. The opposite, he just told him he s killing him right there. I just cannot see Illumi saying the same words to Silva or Zeno. And not bcs they are family members or smth. Also, I like that you said good points for Chrollo. U still let away a key point, feat, pointing his amount of nen aura. He managed to use multiple abilities, and make change again and again between them, using different paths of fight possibilities against Hisoka. Hisoka himself claims that, Chrollo's manage of using the abilities in that way, with that much, are almost impossible. He said either Chrollo managed to strech his ability to a whole new level, either some troupe members litterally helps during the fight. And until isn't confirmed (I mean, we didn't even saw any member helping), the only fact is that Chrollo could manage 6 abilities, changing them multiple times. That, right there, indicate his amount of nen aura. Another valid point of view about Chrollo no needing any kind of help against Hisoka is that, on the black whale, he put other members in teams, while he freely wanted to hunt Hisoka by himself. (Shizuku and Bonolenov going with him is bcs they wanted it, not Chrollo). SO, assuming Chrollo is stronger than Hisoka, it's totally valid. (in my opinion that's not even debatable, having 0% chances of winning is humilitating, either there is prep time or not)
I didn’t say Hisoka was the end all be all of measuring power. Regarding Netero, it’s stated by Killua that it’s harder to measure people the stronger they are, because they are more easily able to hide that power. If Netero in his rust and age is so much stronger than Hisoka, then in his clearly very aloof persona, probably isn’t showing off all his immense power. Even Pitou couldn’t gauge all of Netero’s power until after the Gyuanyin was unveiled and Pitou also has a strange, strength measuring sixth sense It’s also possible that in his rust and age, Netero may be a lot closer to Hisoka’s level of strength. We don’t really know how strong rusty Netero is aside from being above the Zodiacs and soloing Chimera Ant Squadrons, which I’m saying Illumi/Hisoka could do as well The problem is machi has no consistent statements rating her power. The only person confident about her combat abilities is herself. Illumi has various statements from Hisoka and Killua, who are unbiased in this regard. “I can’t see Illumi saying that to Silva or Zeno” you have no basis for that. That’s not based in any evidence or proof. Illumi was also enraged when he said he would murder Hisoka, which amplifies Nen. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he’s beating Zeno or Silva, but I don’t think he’s beating Hisoka either
@@Professor_Fiction Rusty Netero is exponentially beyond Hisoka's level of strength, it's not a debate. It was constantly said Netero even in his old and rusty state was the strongest Hunter, no one was a challenge, he was way stronger than Zeno etc... A rusty Netero defeats Nen users of Zeno’s caliber, such as Silva and Chrollo, without killing them. His martial arts skills are superior to Bisky. None of the Zodiacs can truly challenge Netero, even though they are all top-class Nen users. Zeno said that no one can read Netero’s next move from his aura flow, putting his Gyo and Ryu on another level. Morel said his Ren after Ant training was like being stabbed by needles. I have a hard time believing Hisoka is THAT GUY. He's powerful for sure, but he's getting clapped by Silva, Bisky, and clearly inferior to Chrollo. He ain't doing a single thing to Netero.
Yeah, and if Netero is so so much stronger than Hisoka, Hisoka wouldn’t be able to tell how strong he is. Killua explains this, the stronger someone is, it’s easier for them to hide it Also Hisoka beats Silva and slams Bisky lol
@@Professor_Fiction Hisoka, never puts his hand on Silva. The opposite, if Silva catch him, he's getting obliterated real quick. That's the problem with the fandom in general. I really don't get it why everyone overrate Hisoka that bad. In my eyes, he doesn't have feats to stand with Feitan. His only "feat" is to get 0% chances of winning against Chrollo, which again, is sad. Or else, the fact that Gotoh could pull out an actual fight against Hisoka, is damn bad for Hisoka 💀 Yes, he is a genius, he is a damn menace, but he's as strong or at least relatively as Illumi, they got along in many ways, and Illumi DEFINITELY doesn't beat Silva. Netero ain't a debate. He speedblitzed Pitou. Nah, Netero speedblitzed even Meruem in the beginning. Netero is able to completely annihilated entire Troupe by himself lmao. Hisoka doesn't come close to Netero in any kind of way but only maybe in intelligence.
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It depends, if it's power scaling most likely enhancers will be at the top, but in terms of abilities, it matters. Even Chrollo said that Uvogin is helpless against a conjurer or a manipulator in one on one scenario, meaning a manipulator like illumi or shalnark can beat him. If it's the amount of aura, all of them are high enough. Aura level that will be enhancers, combat skills, it may vary That's what cool with the battle system in hunter x hunter, as long as they're almost with the same power/aura level and combat skills, anyone can win. Nen battle is all about abilities and usage of nen like gyo, in, shu etc.
I wouldn't go as far as saying shalnark can beat uvogin, since shalnark's basic stats are pretty pathetic compared to uvogin, he might just get blitzed and insta killed by uvogin
And also, don't forget that Paku is also in their aura level too.. given that she's an OG PT member and almost got a clash on phinks in the combat.. and she's confident ENOUGH! i don't understand why she rated that low? Maybe cuz we seen her in a series with COMPASSION? Idk.. but for me she's on B-tier
Even Feitan almost frowned when she had her last moments.. they think that they're at risk.. but it turns out that she helped them in the end and sacrifice herself.. she's not afraid also with hisoka.. like 2 of the females in PT were not afraid of hisoka.. and didn't even overwhelmed in his presence.. we don't know what her true potential is..
@@dimensionvisitor7689 tbh, but FEAR are present in their eyes too.. especially on feitan and phinks, like they overreact in the situation.. they don't know what could paku do in her last moment, since they assume that she was controlled by a chain nen-user that no other than kurapika.. until it turns out she just only sacrifices herself.. Due to the short screen time given i think those power is just a tip of an iceberg..
C'mon, Illumi ALLOWED Gon to break his arm. Just like Ging allowed Leorio to punch him. So that shouldn't even be taken into consideration. Pretty sure if he used nen at the time (which he didn't) Gon wouldn't have broken his arm. Illumi wasn't even bothered by it.
It's been a year since the genei ryodan flashback but i remember machi being recognised as potentially very good nen user by another character when she was a kid, if i'm not mistaken she was the first of them to develop nen abilities and was already able to see nen, but again its been i while and i haven't read it again (i should tho, now that the manga is comming back)
I don't think theres much to suggest Gon and Killua from Greed Island or even Chimera Ant arc can beat Pakunoda individually. The feat of Killua breaking her arm and Gon kicking her was largely due to it being a surprise attack in the dark, as they shocked all the other troupe members as well.
I’m not saying Pakunoda is weak cuz she got hurt by Gon and Killua, that was more so a supporting point My point was her ONLY combat feat is to restrain those versions of Gon and Killua, where they get dozens of times more powerful at the series goes on. She doesn’t have anything to put her on the level of higher tier characters
@shoutotodoroki7089 no she's a killer too. There are just some like her, Nobunaga, Machi, Uvogin, and later Phinks comes to understand, who care about Chrollo deeply.
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONENone of the Troupe are stone cold killers wtf. They’re all killers, but they all care for each other and the Spider. That’s why there were disagreements on whether or not to save Chrollo’s life.
I have this feeling after reading what togashi said once on the relationship between phantom troupe’s, kurapika and hisoka. And that’s chrollo gonna dir on the hand of hisoka especially after what we saw on the manga’s scans and hisoka gonna die somehow on the hand of machi.
Here is my opinion on this tier list: S+: Chrollo S-: Illumi, Hisoka A+: Feitan, Machi, Nobunaga, Franklin A-: Pakunoda, Phinks, Uvogin B+: Shalnark, Shizuku, Bonolenov B-: Kortopi C: Kalluto
umm ackcually~ 9:17 that time also kilua being influence by his brother neddle is why he had trouble when fighting strong opponent... although that opponent killua can beat.
Illumi doesn’t have the feats but for someone like Hisoka to treat him like his equal speaks a lot. Tho I initially thought that Feitan can match up to Illumi in combat, Illumi’s personality gives him the edge. Feitan is brutal and a sadist, but he’s not as warped and tricky as Illumi. Which makes him the worse, and stronger. Zeno and Silva don’t even control or command him and that speaks a lot. Hisoka in a way seemed to have found his match.
Machi is definitely underrated. I feel like a lot of people forget that when Gon and Killua were at Heaven's Arena, Machi was the only one who could deduce and determine why Kastro lost, and Hisoka would have been in some trouble if Kastro picked up on Hisoka's trickery. In regards to nen understanding, brief instances like that are a testament to Machi's skill level when it comes to nen, and it seems like she is pretty proficient in nen which makes sense because she's a spider. Also, she was one of the only ones in the troupe to react to Killua and Gon's movements when they tried to sabotage the troupe and she was one of the only members to react quickly enough to place a needle on Chrollo when he was abducted by Kurapika.
@@Professor_Fiction I know but nen intellect and skill have a lot to do with combat ability, especially if you have a nen ability that can become combat or offensively oriented. With an ability as versatile as Machi's I wouldn't be surprised if she has a variety of useful tricks up her sleeve to use in combat, similar to Hisoka with his bungee gum (Hisoka is a transmuter and has a transmutation-based ability like Machi).
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I really wish we would've gotten more Troupe member fights. I'd love to see their abilities more, especially Feitan's.
I guess there would have been another saga completely focussed on the phanthom troupe before they get away from the story but i guess that we will never see it happen
@@rayman8865how come? I’m not completely caught up with the manga yet (or even the anime) but weren’t there still chapters being released. Or is it too big of a spoiler
Feitans real ability is Sun. He will summon a sun, like literally a sun
@@daandepauw5252hxh nickname is hiatus x hiatus, and i think we haven't even had any chapter released in months
@@inmuyatazwe had one 2 day ago bro :v
Just because gon and killua was able to break some phantom troup bones doesn't mean they are automatically weak. Gon was able to break illumi's arm and we all know hisoka more or less ranks illumi as an equal. Being prepared for a battle and getting surprise attacked makes a big difference.
Agree! Pretty sure Gon would break most PT members arms if they didn't have their guard up
L take. if they are easily breakable, that means they are weak. use your brain
were able*
Agreed. To be honest I don't think Illumi couldn't have avoided getting his bones broken by Gon. I think he pretty much allowed it, since it was no big deal to him, lol.
@Ne0LiT ilumi didnt even notice his arm was broke. The dude must not feel pain
Man i wish the phantom troupe had more fights characters like fraklin and phinx are so cool and are rarely shown doing crap
yeah Togashi is a b*tch for that, even the Chrollo fight was short af
Phinks has a very active role in the manga currently so when it comes back we might get some cool phinks stuff
@@timmerss9423yeah if it comes back 😕
@@dreaduchiha8163when* chapters are being worked on
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Illumi got his arm broken cause he wasn't using Nen to protect himself and didn't expect Gon to be capable of that much strength so even after being grabbed he put up 0 defenses.
IF Illumi used Nen he could have easily defended and scared Gon away, I think he was being 'respectful of Killua's acquaintance' in his own way, stopping and speaking to Gon alone is more than he gives most people.
I agree but a lot of people actually think Gon was physically stronger than Illumi
@@Professor_Fiction Gon is an Enhancer tho. He wasn't stronger at that point, but when he channeled his anger, he was strong enough to break his arm. Gon during Chimera Ant could be stronger than Illumi, physically.
@@shapeshifter7676 let's not forget that all the Zoldyck's have to train their physical strength just to pass the gate to get into their estate. I think people underestimate how physically strong Illumi is just cuz he's a manipulator.
@@Professor_FictionIt’s possible that he is without Nen. Gon is obviously way, way beyond any normal human and yes I know the Zoldyck gate and the assassin training but Illumi might have learned nen at an early age and just compensated physical strenght for nen but if we are being honest Togashi didn’t think to much about it.
Killua is stated several times to be explicitly stronger than Gon. Despite being a Transmuter/Enhancer vs. Gon being a pure Enhancer.
Even Bisky reiterates this fact during the Greed Island arc.
(Which surprised me)
Preeetty sure Illumi is physically stronger than Killua, so.....
Even amateur Nen can break bones. It's that much of an enhancement. Hence, the whole Heaven's Arena debacle.
Nen adds that much offense/defense. So nenless Illumi getting his arm crushed makes sense to me.
A class ranking in my opinion:
Illumi
Fitan
Uvogin
Where is PHINKS? Where is NOBUNAGAA? WHERE IS FRANKLINNN? you're delusional
Yeah fr
I'd slide Nobunaga in there too
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONEFranklin? FRANKLIN??
@@anon2427 yea
Machi is one of the most talented nen users, given that she was the first one to master nen and was able to see nen before anyone else
She is very talented but that doesn’t mean she honed her combat abilities as much as her comrades
@@Professor_Fictionhow do you explain the fact that chrollo decided to put machi with shizuku and pakunoda who both had death predictions instead of say nobunaga whose « the combat specialist », it’s because he knows she can defend them + chrollo or hisoka aren’t considered part of the fight squad yet if they were to go against nobunaga they would win.
+ why would she be the only one to stay alone in the boat being extremely confident in her ability to beat hisoka where as shizuku and nobunaga decided to team up with other people to chase hisoka.
Lastly the argument that you make with killua breaking machi bones in the DARK is misleading; after all chrollo was captured with a chain from a far longer distance in the dark where as machi was kicked when he was next to her and still managed to regain her calmness in the dark and neutralise the escape; if it wasn’t for her gon and killua would have escaped; it tells us she is extremely smart and effective under pressure and unpredicted circumstances.
We see that as well when she’s the only one fast enough to respond to kurapika chaining uvo.
@@ahmeddamdami5569I can only speak to the Hisoka thing. But to that, there’s a one off or HxH novel or something like that and it shows that Machi and Hisoka knew each other since they were younger. She isn’t afraid that Hisoka will kill her because he’s literally had no lie I believe 5 times so far to kill her but let her live. And she cares about him as well! After Hisoka’s death to Chrollo Machi stayed behind to take care of his body. So I think she’s not scared because either she’s going to die to Hisoka someone she obviously cares for, thinks that she may have the upper hand on him because they care for each other in some way, or hell she might just run away with him because… they obviously care for each other lol.
@@House.Of.Pain. What did I just read?
@@borismuca9643idk. I've never heard that theory before 🤣🤣
I pretty much agree with every placement besides maybe Machi and Illumi, but their placement really isn't 100% wrong. I think Illumi should be at S-class since Hisoka does consider him a worthy opponent, but he is blatantly featless and under the other two in terms of power, so top of A-class is fine imo. Machi as you said is also largely featless as well but I say she could be anywhere from low A to C-class. I personally consider her high B or low A, because again Hisoka does have some kind of interest in her fighting ability. Now its not on the level of Illumi or Chrollo but definitely above the other members including Uvo who definitely A-class. Keep in mind that most of the other members (besides braindead Nobu and Shizuka) are uncomfortable around Hisoka while Machi is largely annoyed with him and isn't afraid to interact with him or even threaten him.
I know using Hisoka is not much but come on, he's constantly used as a measuring stick even in the series itself. He thinks Leorio has potential when he shown no innate talent and what do you know, the guy is now punching through freaking dimensions. Also, one thing that I have to mention is that Killua freezing up against Nobu was Illumi's doing, not Nobu. All that moment tells us is that Nobu is definitely stronger than Killua but not by how much and shouldn't be used to scale Nobu to the rest of the troupe. A prime example is Killua being affected by Illumi's needle against Rammot. Rammot was clearly stronger than Killua but not by much because once Killua removed the needle, he instantly one shot Rammot with no diff.
My only problem with Machi is Hisoka could simply be fascinated by her because of her ability or talent, not necessarily her straight up combat skills.
As for Nobunaga, what I was trying to get across is Illumi’s needle affects Killua more depending on how outmatched he is. Against Phinks the needle didn’t trigger warning him he had no chance of escape, but did trigger against Nobunaga. Regarding Rammot, I’ve always figured the needle when triggering his fear response weakens him, since we know resolve and confidence has a huge impact on Nen
@@Professor_FictionYeah I know what you were trying to get at with Hisoka's fascination with Machi's ability, I was just pointing out Machi's side of their interactions hinting that there might be something more than just a fascination with her ability since almost all of the other members also had great abilities but Hisoka is more focused more so on others.
And also the reason why the needle didn't trigger against Phinks is because Illumi linked it to Killua's self-preservation. Whenever Killua is up against someone stronger than him, because of the needle, his first instinct is to run. Killua was actively trying to escape Phinks, not fight him. Whereas with Nobunaga, Killua felt like his only option was to fight his way out, which triggered the needle.
Yep Machi is the only person in the troupe apart from Chrollo Hisoka has showed any interest in fighting, that says a lot, plus she’s also the person who knows Hisoka best and still thought she could take him
@@Professor_Fiction your logic is very flawed, when has Hisoka EVER showed interest in someone based on anything apart from fighting ability, he literally said he wanted to kill chrollo so he could get maki mad and fight her, the only other people he’s thought about like that are chrollo himself and illumi
Using hisoka as a metric to powerscale other characters is dumb especially since it’s already been proven that he’s delusional when it comes to his own strength.
I’m not sure why people give Uvogin a bad rap for having lost to Kurapika. Kurapika gave his abilities a bunch of restrictions specifically for killing the Phantom Troupe alone; just landing a chain on Uvogin means game over as it would for any other troupe member.
You probably heard that Fans have noticed the
obvious Trend that Specialist-Nen never seems to be directly harmful to anyone; and i just agree with that (just wanted to mention it).
But i did notice yet another thing. It seems pretty definitive that Specialist-Nen ALWAYS seems to 'layer above' some other Type. I mean, Kurapika 'enhances' his Nen-Efficiency, Meleoron 'transmutes' Invisiblity (while the only other time we see Camouflage is when Morel;
in the same Story-Arc;
camouflages himself with Grass via Transmutation), and Pakunodas Ability can only be described as a Form/Variant of Telepathy.
And we all know which Nen-Type is heavily associated with Telepathy and Signal-Receiving: EMISSION.
And this list goes on and on and can be applied to literally everyone. I think people have not noticed but you can do 10 Things with Nen: The normal 5 things plus what i call special-enhance, special-emit, special-manipulate, special-transmute and special conjure. I'm not a professional Speech-Maker, so my explanation may have been lackluster, so please feel free to ask questions.
I never believed that Chrollo has the 'formless, shapeless' ability to 'steal stuff' and then also conjures a Book just to 'enchant it' with his said ability. That never made sense to me, but ok, Conjuration is right next to him,
so it was kinda logical though odd.
BUT if you want one giant Evidence for all i said today, i present to you a babe... named Neon Nostrade.
She doesnt even know Nen and youre telling me she is 'emitting' an (ugly) Nen-Beast, making it 'manipulate' her Hand into doing something 'special'?
THREE Types? From a rather simplistic Nen-User that isnt aware of Nen?
No way.
No way.
No, instead, it seems to me that Chrollos Ability IS 'to summon a book that allows Ability Stealing' and Neons Specialist-Ability IS 'Fortune Telling in the form of a nen-beast manipulating her'. Means that both are pure Specialization-Abilitys but one can be forgiven to think it's other Types.
And i legit believe that is the Point of Specialization.
The fact that Uvogin lasted that long when wrapped in chains is incredible. He was wrapped when he hit Kurapika and broke his arm and he had no Nen to protect himself when Kurapika was beating the living shit out of him in his strongest form.
that fight was bull
HxH scaling is so weird man, you have to put characters with basically no real fights or no reveal of their hatsu in upper tiers automatically still lol, great video though
That's what I love about it though. It's not just about power, it is very match-up dependant
@@DavidBraun-zv7fm no in a 1v1 it is about Power and Skill
You should make The Chimera Ant Extermination Team VS The Phantom Troupe
An interesting video topic.
If we're counting Netero, he alone just solos
@@cipherscannerthen obviously why make the video
@@bombaymessyasf If you don't count Netero and Zeno and just make it Gon, Killua, Shoot, Knuckle Morel and Knov, then the phantom troupe pretty handly win
Great idea. need this video asap
@00:36 to be fair Morel was speaking from a "realistic" nen aura amount. The Royal Guards and the king's sheer amount of aura is unheard of.
True but we’ve seen massive differences in aura amount before. I don’t think that dude on a beyblade top that Gon beat has any chance to beat Uvogin regardless of strategy. The shadows beasts were all immensely skilled with Unique powers but lost to raw power
Props for taking on such a touchy subject, people get extremely toxic and argumentative when it comes to power rankings esp if it involves their favorite character lol. Overall great list and informative as hell with reasoning behind every decision. When it comes to characters like Machi who we have literally nothing to scale with besides some little details it's better to just not rank them at all but if you had to rank them you did a great job.
Interesting, imo opinion reading debates of power rankings in hxh it’s far more fun than most fandoms
@@darkgenesis342yeah I totally disagree with them. To say people who don't jump on the bandwagon are "toxic and argumentative" is being petty and actually sensitive. Just because a person doesn't agree and fundamentally brings their own argument into the picture doesn't mean that they're toxic and argumentative. I mean honestly people who feel like that, get over yourself. Everyone is entitled to disagree and bring forth their views on the same topic.
@@wadewilson8011 I'm not talking about people who bring their own argument and disagree without getting heated at each other, that's fine and I love talking about power rankings.. that's why I clicked on this video.
I'm just talking about some of the things I've seen on the HxH subreddit for example where people have legitimately insulted each other for having a different opinion about a certain character.
@@Bluexepphoss there's your problem right there. You know damned well how toxic and argumentative reddit and Twitter aka X are. You can't put that off on HxH or any other form of fictional fanbase. Those platforms are going to be full of brash immature and ignorant people who do nothing, and have nothing else better to do with their lives. C'mon man,
@@Bluexepphoss L take
It'd be silly to not rank machi
We've seen her nen and It's silly to pretend like she must have some world ender ability in the tuck
Killua abt put an end to her whole career, wayyy back in yorknew, as you will recall, mr. Machi Man
Anytime I see Chrollo I feel good I feel complete
Nigga really blessed us with a remaster
It's hard to judge power levels in Hunter x Hunter because characters have such diverse, complex abilities and different levels of superhuman traits, but it's also hard to judge power levels in any series that doesn't explicitly state them because writers are not scientists. People love jacking off feats, but whenever a writer draws a character punching something, there is basically zero chance he's also considering every other instance of a character throwing a punch and then using that as a gauge for what he draws (several mangaka have admitted to using fanmade wikis to recall characters' abilities). Hunter x Hunter especially has a trend of confusing the reader on what exactly is supposed to be impressive; critics will sometimes claim the power scaling is different in every arc, but defendants will point out the sheer volume of variables determining one's strength, such as whether they're tired, caught off guard, etc. There's also a scene that confirms Togashi thinks in this way (a scene the "Hunter x Hunter has no power levels" people hate to be reminded of) where Biscuit lectures Killua on character power levels and how people are almost never fighting at their best.
Another detail that often gets forgotten, is most characters are implied to have more abilities than what is shown. Gon and Killua create their special abilities in just a few days. Since Wing estimates they'd master Ten about 30 times faster than a normal person, we can guess it takes a normal person a few months to develop a new ability. I guarantee most of the important characters, like the Troupe, are not "normal," but even if they were, you'd think at their ages they would've created a few extra abilities by now, just for the sake of utility and niche situations. And in fact, Togashi says they have. When the Troupe is first introduced, the narrator says every single member has a trump card they hide from the others, but we're never told what they are. For Pakunoda, everyone trusted her ability to read minds, so they must've known about that, but they probably didn't know about Memory Bomb. The anime changes this, but in the manga, when Pakunoda tells Nobunaga she'll inject Squala's memories into him, he has no idea what she's talking about, he just trusts she's using a Nen ability and not actually trying to kill him. This is also why Phinks reacts the way he does when she points her gun at them later. But it's not just the Phantom Troupe. If you remember, when we first hear Netero's Hyakushiki Kannon explained to us, it's when an off-screen character asks Zeno what his strongest ability is, and he has to think about it before landing on that one - meaning he has other abilities we never got to see.
So it's hard to judge a character's power level and feats aren't the best to go by, but I think it is good to go by the narrative. If a character acts like they're stronger or it would be thematically fitting for them to be stronger, then they probably are. Because of this, my one nitpick would be how you downplay Franklin for not having feats. The other Troupe members listen to Franklin in a way that implies they trust his judgment and he has shown zero utility outside of combat. It would be very strange if he were weaker than all the support members you put him in a tier with. But furthermore, on the Black Whale, Franklin goes off on his own and actually waits in plain sight hoping for Hisoka to come after him, while Phinks and Feitan chase down Nobunaga because they don't trust him being on his own. The three also make it aware to the reader that they know what Franklin is doing and will go get him if they find a lead. This means Phinks and Feitan were afraid for Nobunaga's safety, but not Franklin's.
Great comment! I totally agree with how the writer probably isn’t comparing every single instance to the entirety of the manga, so it’s impossible to truly use this method of comparison fairly
As for your last comment it seems fietan and phinks are babysitting nobu cuz hes bad matchup for hisoka if his sword gets gummed by hisoka it might be over. Meanwhile for franklin it seems hes confident that his nen bullets bypass bungegum.
You may be downplaying Illumi a little. It's always heavily implied from a narrative perspective and through Hisoka himself, who you claimed to be an accurate source it terms of scaling. Hisoka believes Illumi would serve as quite the formidable opponent and Illumi himself even thinks he can KILL Hisoka when bloodlusted, which may potentially amp him. The most probable conclusion deducted from this would simply be that the two are on a very similar field in terms of scaling/highly relative to each other.
Hunter Exams Gon breaking Illumi's arm isn't an anti-feat as Illumi wasn't using any nen at all, or is implied to have been taking Gon seriously. There's also the fact that Killua blatantly concedes inferiority to Illumi even without his nen at that point in the story, and Gon literally had to go through training to even open Killua's doors after the Hunter Exams. His reaction to his arm being broken is literally just "well ok he's interesting." Hisoka still thought he would pose as a formidable opponent even at the time anyways, which wouldn't make sense if his durability was at a level where fodder like Hunter Exams Gon could seriously injure him when he's actually trying; who Hisoka can no diff by the way.. My claims are of course in reference to Hisoka before his recent amps.
Perfect analysis, anyone with common sense can see that Illumi and Hisoka are pretty much relative/equal to eachother.
I do think they are somewhat relative just favoring Hisoka. And definitely weaker than Chrollo seeing as Hisoka values him more as an opponent. I rank him as 3rd strongest but I think him Vs Uvo or Feitan is debatable, but I still favor Illumi
@@Professor_Fiction About your point with favoring Chrollo, Hisoka's whols system on picking his targets is all over the place.
Keep in mind that he was contemplating on killing KILLUA, who is relative to Gon in terms of potential and we SAW what that potential can be, just to get Illumi to fight him.
The fact Hisoka was going to sacrafice Killua's potential to get Illumi's wrath ALSO says alot about how much he wants to fight Illumi, just saying.
Wrath in this context could mean rage. He’s not necessarily saying he’d need to kill Killua to get Illumi to fight him, what he could be saying is Illumi’s rage will make him more powerful and a more interesting fight. Rage amplifies your Nen shown countless times witb Gon. If Hisoka was ever pressed for a fight with Illumi he could literally always just jump him or pay him, as strange as it sounds Hisoka’s rich.
@@Professor_Fiction Rage or not, Illumi's full potential
Man I wish this Anime would continue.
In five jears maybe?
@@IseoDeckers it’s continuing in october
Yay the uploads back!
Frrr
You did a great job with this list and I would say I agree with it 👍
Gotta love the content❤
3:13 john ken is crazy
After Hisoka's post mortum nen buff I do think that he is stronger than Chrollo.
Since Hisoka has now changed his motto to "I will kill you on sight", if Chrollo is not given the same luxuray of prep time against a stronger Hisoka I do think that Chrollo would loose this time around.
Hisoka’s Post Mortem contract was to revive him. He’s not dead anymore, so his Nen wouldn’t be amplified
@@Professor_Fiction that’s not necessarily true since he whips out abilities he never showed before and still uses them - like a bunny gun leg.
Whilst his nen may have gone back to what it was it seems his skills at leats definitely improved which does still make him stronger.
@@CameronkAK He never showed it before because there was never reason to. Why are Hisoka fans so dumb? His new parts of the body are weaker
I think he’s prolly more skilled with it yeah I just don’t think his Nen actually made him stronger. His punches and kicks are the exact same
@@nekitaroyamaoto2135 you literally have zero proof of this. Everything points towards Hisoka having improved after his death rather than regressed. He had been injured before but never shown there’s applications but all of a sudden is showing far better mastery of his ability.
10:43 Ignore the crater in the ground, ignore the following ant merely exploding in bits
How did I ignore that 😭
I personally believe that Phinks and Feitan are neck and neck. And you also didn’t bring up that Phinks said that he charged his ability too much and li😅only needed to use half of what he did to win.
Yes I think phinx is A tier, aboard the phinx train everyone 🚆
Didn't watch the video but considering their "friendship", their personalities and skills, their is no doubt that Phinks is stronger
@shoutotodoroki7089 how is there no doubt? We haven't seen phinx fight lmao come on
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONEidk bout you but feitan looks like the nimber 2 after chrollo, theres even an argument for him being better than hisoka
My only thing with Phinks is his showing against the Chimera Ant Officer is pretty poor, whereas everyone in Class A except maybe Illumi has better feats. I think Feitan and Phinks are just friends, prolly closer than the other members and they both ended up becoming combat focused Nen users. That doesn’t mean they have to be equals
When it comes to Killua and Phinks there are a few things you accidentally missed. With Phinks, Killua had an illusion of escape still, which evaporated when Nobu appeared in the fourth floor window. Phinks was just messing around, unlike Pakunoda who was more serious with gon. If Phinks seemed half as serious as Pakunoda, killua would’ve reacted accordingly (fear). Illumi’s needle forces him to focus on enemies with the most bloodlust or intense emotion, Phinks had neither when encountering killua. Nobunaga cemented himself as the bigger threat immediately by being less mentally stable, then openly displaying his intent to kill, even asking “do you want to die now, or later?” And “speak out of turn once more, and I’ll kill you”. Phinks makes no such threats, as he doesn’t mean them. Nobunaga has reasons (rip uvo) and means what he says. When in a room full of the phantom troupe, it makes sense he focuses on the most immediate threat, even disregarding Hisoka, who is likely stronger than Nobunaga, because Hisoka had no reason to kill him *yet.*
all in all a good vid!
I agree, I was more so constructing an argument for how you COULD say Nobunaga is above Phinks, but I don’t agree with it regardless. I was trying to have a lot of this video be open to interpretation
@@Professor_Fiction It’s a good ranking and I’m glad you left some of it up for debate, since it brings a community together
One thing I love about the Phantom Troupe is how many utility based powers they have.
They have their designated fighting force of course, but there are a couple of the members who are pretty bad in real fights, but invaluable to the troupe in other aspects of the crime world.
Pakunoda is probably the best example of that, in a fight she is pretty weak, but that is neither her designated role in the troupe, nor what she specializes in. But when it comes to extracting information out of someone, no one can do it as well as her.
Machi in the manga is getting some of the most attention of the Troupe, especially when it comes to Hisoka. A Machi vs Hisoka fight is likely in the future, and if one happens, I think Machi will go up in the rankings massively.
I'd also put Nobunaga at 7 or 6 and Bonolenov at 8
5:45 Also, Killua was the same guy who said he could kill Netero if he wanted to
I think this ranking is 100% accurate. You made amazing points on why you picked the ranks. I don’t see how if you read/watched the series you can disagree with it. Thanks for making this 🙏🏾
Nobunaga & Uvogin were best friends. Considering Uvogin's mindset i always thought theyd be on a similar level while using their abilities. We've only seen Nobunaga use one ability tho. I wonder what his hatsu is🤔💭
Iirc he’s confirmed to be an enhancer so I doubt it’s anything complicated
I think hes probably just very fast and skilled. Which is still dangerous in the Hunter x Hunter world.
@@hikaz8704 I think you're probably right, but it wouldn't be surprising to me if he revealed a simple ability (likely some kind of special attack with his sword) or perhaps something not directly suited for combat.
Something thats part of why Hisoka can deal out way better blows is that Chrollo has the lowest possible proficiency with enhancement at 50%, while Hisoka is a transmuter meaning he gets 80% in said category.
Enhancers are generally bound to be physically dominant in fights for this reason
I remind you chrollo fought Silva, which physical strength is surely way above any troupe member, probably only Uvo would be a match for him.
@@Kal911 Uvo would probably be physically stronger, but Silva would win.
Uvogin is an enhancer after all, while Silva is an assassin and a transmuter who would focus much more on finer techniques rather than brute force.
@@aarohalme1020 I remind you the test gate, since he is the head of the family and looking at his body, it’s quite obvious that he can open through the seventh gate, add to this his immense quantity of nen and I’m quite sure he could clap Uvo even in that field. Remember the hole he made with a normal punch charged of nen in the chimera ant saga? It was close to Uvo hole made with his big bang attack. Imagine a Ko delivered with his whole strenght.
@@Kal911 Remember that the Zoldyck family is still vary of the troupe, and Uvogin is literally specialized in physical strength.
Silva is literally an emitter as well, meaning he's specialized at using ranged attacks so he would have less need for brute force.
Silva is a beast, but that's a lot to overcome for something that isn't his specialty.
i wold love a whole series dedicated to the phantom troupe, they are so cool and i would binge watch a series on their story, maybe going from the start and covering every charachter's evolution and their heists.
Can i interest you in some Nen-Secrets and Lore-Nuggets i found by repeatedly analyzing the manga?
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@@francob3155 suree
@@freatzy Lets doooo itttt! Plz start sentences big though - autistic people like m do mind.
Anyway, lets go:
Nen-Fun-Fact:
Most Fans dont realize that Conjuration-Nen has a Replacement-Variant, as shown by Tsubone, Ikalgo and Greed Island,
but most blatantly in the very last Chapter of the Mangaa yet. A Mechanic that i imagine to be quite popular as it's simple but potent: You give something up to get something new.
You could even go to Extremes and conjure yourself into something like a Blade that cant levitate but needs to be used by Someone as a mere Blade,
which would sacrifice everything about you temporarily (or even forever), even youre Autonomy, just to gain give youre Comrade Power.
It’s basically Transifguration-Magic, the thing that Prof McGonagall teaches.
Funny/Epic enough: this is the type that doesnt just allows you to summon Creatures like Werewolves but BECOME ONE. Wow.
And of course all this can be used as Self-Cursing, which Conjuration is anyway best-suited for.
@@freatzy You probably heard that Fans have noticed the
obvious Trend that Specialist-Nen never seems to be directly harmful to anyone; and i just agree with that (just wanted to mention it).
But i did notice yet another thing. It seems pretty definitive that Specialist-Nen ALWAYS seems to 'layer above' some other Type. I mean, Kurapika 'enhances' his Nen-Efficiency, Meleoron 'transmutes' Invisiblity (while the only other time we see Camouflage is when Morel;
in the same Story-Arc;
camouflages himself with Grass via Transmutation), and Pakunodas Ability can only be described as a Form/Variant of Telepathy.
And we all know which Nen-Type is heavily associated with Telepathy and Signal-Receiving: EMISSION.
And this list goes on and on and can be applied to literally everyone. I think people have not noticed but you can do 10 Things with Nen: The normal 5 things plus what i call special-enhance, special-emit, special-manipulate, special-transmute and special conjure. I'm not a professional Speech-Maker, so my explanation may have been lackluster, so please feel free to ask questions.
I never believed that Chrollo has the 'formless, shapeless' ability to 'steal stuff' and then also conjures a Book just to 'enchant it' with his said ability. That never made sense to me, but ok, Conjuration is right next to him,
so it was kinda logical though odd.
BUT if you want one giant Evidence for all i said today, i present to you a babe... named Neon Nostrade.
She doesnt even know Nen and youre telling me she is 'emitting' an (ugly) Nen-Beast, making it 'manipulate' her Hand into doing something 'special'?
THREE Types? From a rather simplistic Nen-User that isnt aware of Nen?
No way.
No way.
No, instead, it seems to me that Chrollos Ability IS 'to summon a book that allows Ability Stealing' and Neons Specialist-Ability IS 'Fortune Telling in the form of a nen-beast manipulating her'. Means that both are pure Specialization-Abilitys but one can be forgiven to think it's other Types.
And i legit believe that is the Point of Specialization.
Days ago: "@freatzy Lets doooo ittt!"
-Franco B
Jupiter was more impressive than the 15x ripper cyclotron imo because of the insane range/inescapability. I do think phinks is probably stronger but purely cause of how he is positioned in the story, I think bonolenov’s feat is actually better
"ok I'm glad you had fun making your list, now gtfo my island"
-Razer
This list is easily the best one online. Machi is probably a low A tier, but I agree with her placement for now since she just has no feats. Its super unclear how strong shalnark is, with autopilot being anywhere from peon ant level to high squadron leader level, so I think I agree with that too. Uvogin is super strong, and he would have annihilated kurapika if kurapika didn’t sacrifice both an ability and his own life just to kill him, so another great placement. Finally, I think I would put post mortem hisoka above chrollo but chrollo above normal hisoka.
What?!? Whay A tier for Machi?
That's very high for nen strings
@@OctavianAsix agreed im just saying that it seems like the current manga is trying to imply that she’s quite strong.
I didn't search for this, i just happened to searched a lot of HxH explained type of channels in the past, so the algorithm did it for me. I would like to point out to everyone watching this video: this is ranking battle ability, not nen ability or who has the most aura. The thing about HxH is, people with only supportive or utility ability can and proofed to be useful in certain situation, that ppl who lacks battle ability but useful in something else are accepted to big groups, like Phantom Troupe here. This is not an Anime or Manga which battle ability actually reign supreme, the groups not just recruiting heavy hitters for wonderful battle scenes, but many people who is useful at something else are valuable in the world of HxH, and it shows. Thx for the video, it's really make sense for me... .
I'd say the tiers are pretty good.
For the A tier i would put Uvogin at 5 because his abilities are pretty limited and i think the other two have more hax that could make them stronger against more different opponents.
Then i would probably put Illumi at 4 and Feitan at 3, but it is only a gut feeling.
Also because Feitan was briefly the head of the spiders and i know it was just a random contest and not for skill but i think Togashi made Feitan the temporary leader and not someone else for a reason, i think he was hinting to his strenght.
And we could say Feitan outperformed every other spider that was present during the chimera ant fight, and i know they are all on a lower tier but it is still impressive.
For Hisoka and Chrollo in my mind they are basically equal, and i would say Hisoka is most definetly phisically stronger than Chrollo.
Maybe it is only my impression but to me it looked like Hisoka was hitting harder and Chrollo had to play 4D chess to avoid being hit because the fight could end there while Hisoka was tanking hits and hitting back everyone like a truck.
And it would make sense because Chrollo being a specialist has the worst affinity with enhancement (40%), while Hisoka being a Transmuter has enhancement as one of his next best affinities (80%).
Chrollo definetly has the advantage in variety of skills and he is really smart and tactical, but Hisoka is really perceptive and instincive and the one skill he has he mastered it and he knows how to use it in hundreds different ways for every scenario he can find himself in.
Both really good strategists with amazing creativity, i would probably put Chrollo at number 1 because we saw their fight but let's not forget that Chrollo had to put all the odds against Hisoka, i think it would be far more difficult for him without prep time, maybe i COULD see Hisoka being slighty above Chrollo.
There are other positions that i would switch around a bit inside the tiers but the comment is already really long, overall for me it's a pretty solid list, well done.
Hisoka and Chrollo are not basically equal lol Chrollo is league above Hisoka. Yall overrating Hisoka too much. Hisoka is on par with Feitan Phinks Illumi Kite Morel.
Uvogin is just so physically powerful I’m not sure if Feitan would be able to use his ability, but if you think he can that’s okay, that’s why they’re in the same tier
Feitan becoming leader I don’t think matters too much but it wouldn’t change the ranking. Everyone else that was there, Bono, Phinks, Shizuku, are all below Feitan anyway. Uvogin was dead and Illumi wasn’t a member at the time. So yes at the time of the chimera ant arc Feitan was the second strongest member, but that wouldn’t include the entire troupe across all of the story
@@Professor_Fiction yeah, i agree that Uvogin could be a bad matchup for Feitan's ability, i was talking about the fact that their abilities are more useful against a more wide variety of opponents (not Uvogin in particular in this case).
I wasn't considering their specific matchup against each other, i was talking about against any opponent.
Anyway i don't have much to say Feitan is over Illumi and Uvogin, as i said it is only a gut feeling, i agree they should be around the same tier.
I could even see Illumi being in the higher tier with Chrollo and Hisoka honestly for how he is portrayed, it's just that we don't have so many Illumi feats to try to compare him.
@@Edogawa199X without prep Kuroro might have lost to hisoka, so they're pretty even, Kuroro just outsmarted him this time. Also Kaito and Morau are slightly above Phinks/Feitan imo, considering they faced royal guards which scales way above Zazan.
@@Professor_Fiction If he can land a strike on Feitan tho. Feitan is faster than Uvo. Feitan receiving punishment is unknown but im confident that Uvo cant 1 hit Feitan. Fei is 3rd 4th Illumi and 5th Nobunaga 6th Uvo/Phinks.
Great video ! I agree with pretty much everything and you make great points.
I differ a bit though and would rank them Hisoka (Post-Mortem Nen), Chrollo, Hisoka, Illumi, Uvogin, Nobunaga, Feitan, Shalnark (Autopilot), Phinks, Franklin, Machi, Bonolenov, Shalnark, Shizuku, Kalluto, Pakunoda, Kortopi
I say Hisoka is stronger then Chrollo simply since he has face him once already, got a big amp in strength after death and Chrollo would likely not have any other Troupe members in the future since it led to two members death.
HxH + Power scaling doesn't mix well due to the complex nature of Nen and rules/restrictions that go along with it.
Nen User A could lose against Nen User B simply from getting countered by 1. A different Nen Affinity. 2. Skill expression/IQ. 3. Vows/Restrictions. 4. Location/Environment
A few examples:
Chrollo v.s. Hisoka was heavily favored through Location, Prep Time, Hatsu, and Skill Expression based off the above. Under different circumstances, the outcome could've been completely different.
Kurapika with Vows/Restrictions had Chrollo's life in the palm of his hand, but I highly doubt Kurapika can survive a 1v2 with the Zoldycks the way Chrollo did.
Anyways, that's just me yapping, but nice content! I usually just skip anything HxH involving power scaling.
I tried to rank the characters “generally” as in “who wins MOST of the time” or who is the overall strongest. I think you’d have to agree outside of fringe scenarios someone like Pakunoda or Shizuku stand no chance against Uvogin. That’s also why I made tiers to the more close and debatable matchups, like for example how Feitan vs Uvogin could go either way depending on those factors, but either one of them would beat those in Class B most of the time
I tried to rank the characters “generally” as in “who wins MOST of the time” or who is the overall strongest. I think you’d have to agree outside of fringe scenarios someone like Pakunoda or Shizuku stand no chance against Uvogin. That’s also why I made tiers to the more close and debatable matchups, like for example how Feitan vs Uvogin could go either way depending on those factors, but either one of them would beat those in Class B most of the time, or how Phinks probably packs more firepower than Nobunaga but Nobunaga is much more skilled
@@Professor_Fiction I agree, I may have worded things wrong in my comment, that's my bad. Like it would stupid to compare the royal guards to majority of the other characters in the story.
Overall it's a good list and it's pretty hard to rank characters that may have imbalances in IQ/Strength/Nen
8:13 Me. I’m the Machi fan
Kurapika forcing zetsu on Chrollo and sealing his nen was hella badass
Are you ever going to power scale the boys comic or Kengan Ashura/Omega?
The hisoka theme was a nice touch in s rank
Illumi did take out all the rising dawns by himself, so I think it’s pretty safe say he is A or at the least top B tier
lol why B he scales way above those weaklings he is A but if killua would die that means a raged illumi almost S or be S
@@Lightskinned2.0 idk. While he’s really strong we really don’t see much from him beyond that in terms of fighting skills. It’s most been prep and tactician skills. We know he is around Hisoka level at least. Perhaps his potential is S but you’d have to stretch it. The way I see it is chrollo is around A-S tier, Chrollo beats Hisoka semi-easily, and Hisoka is about equal to chrollo. Hisoka himself being A tier
I'd like to see a video like this but with like the top 30 or something characters in general.
I’m considering it
@@Professor_Fiction If you were gonna do it would you consider characters that should be really strong but we know next to nothing about (I.e Maha, Zigg, Don, etc.)?
Maybe in honorable mentions
1:06 update that is not hisoka😂
Exactly what I thought
In the manga
We will really see what the phantom troupe is made of on the black whale (marshal law)😮🤝thanks for the hard work 👑
Who would win
The entire phantom troop
Or
Random mid tier predator on the dark continent
I see you. Using Puzzle and Dragons pictures. ;D
I think you're forgetting the fact that Chrollo can now use 2 abilities at the same time
Was wondering who made this then realized it’s you. Going big as an ibc vet I see
What if Pakunoda didn’t use nen to protect her arm and that’s why it got broken?
The point I was making is that her best feat is overpowering Gon and Killua and she still did a pretty bad job. Even if you say she was off guard or holding back or sometbing, it’s all we know about her combat abilities
Yup, I’m seeing a lot of comments about Machi’s placement lol. Dang, I didn’t know she was such a fav, I always overlooked her 😅
Not that you’re right or wrong, but I can agree with your placements based on the reasonings you give for your personal placements. Especially those with less to no feats. I do have to say that with Feitan vs Zazan, the PT repeatedly said that he wasn’t at full strength during the whole fight. So I see it kind of hard to scale his actual spot in a number, I do agree with it being in A though.
The way I see it, he was already outclassing the other members, while not at his peak. He could be slightly higher but to say any more would be headcanon
Some argument to chrollo favor to definitely put him above hisoka
Chrollo scratched Silva with a poison knife while fighting Zeno and Silva simultaneously without an hatsu
Therefore, Chrollo should have decent to great chances of scratching Hisoka with the knife, paralyzing him, just in CQC without any hatsu.
Chrollo told Hisoka about every hatsu he planned to use.
We have seen repeatedly in HxH that keeping Nen abilities secret is an enormous advantage or disadvantage. Pariston literally set up an enormous rouse to see Ging’s hatsu and Ging purposefully chose not to show him.
Chrollo was making an insane flex by telling Hisoka every hatsu he would use in their battle, as well as their nuances and weaknesses. We do not see Nen users do this when fighting people they consider remotely their equals.
Chrollo artificially restricted himself to using only 3 abilities in the fight, citing it was more than he used for anybody else.
He has more, but seems to always choose to limit himself to two or less (except for Hisoka) because it’s either a matter of pride or entertainment. I very much doubt that at no time would it have been more efficient to use some other ability.
Chrollo said he valued style over victory
Why would Chrollo give Hisoka all these advantages of telling him each ability and their weaknesses, say he would only use 3 abilities and no more, not using a hax poison knife, and so on?
Because he was maximizing style. He was flexing on a televised match. Heck, even early in their fight, Chrollo landed critical punches and yet never stuck a needle in him. It was theatrics.
Therefore, a Chrollo that will use any and all abilities whenever he wants, and gives Hisoka no knowledge on them, a poisoned knife and enough skill to scratch Silva when Silva had Zeno as pure backup, and values an efficient victory overs stylish one, should win.
I just don’t see any way that that is not logical at this point. Not knowing an enemy’s hatsu while they know yours is already such an enormous advantage. Needing to only scratch an opponent while having semi adult Zoldyck CQC abilities is an enormous advantage. Together, it’s ridiculous.
Hisoka did not want a fair match with Shalnark or Kortopi. He is fighting the way Gon did against superior opponents when trying to use ambushes to maximize his odds.
A tangent point, but an important one. We have seen REPEATEDLY that the Troupe will let one member fight in a true 1v1. Uvo and Feitan were each heavily pressured while the rest of the Troupe played cards and chilled.
Yet Hisoka chose to ambush Kortopi in the bathroom when Kortopi didn’t even have his hatsu. This is not what someone does when they’re hugely superior.
Yet this is for some weird reason compared as equivalent to Chrollo’s prep. Chrollo showed up formally for a scheduled match that Hisoka agreed to, explained all the abilities he would use, as well as their weaknesses and nuances, and gave Hisoka the chance to back out twice after explaining the abilities he planned to use.
This is very different than Chrollo ambushing a hypothetically hatsu-less Hisoka with Ghost Fish and other hatsu or whatever while Hisoka was taking a shit and didn’t know anything was coming.
Next time they meet Chrollo will fight with pure intent of Murdering Hisoka in the shortest, most convenient and most effective way possible without having the slightest desire for making it a fun battle.
You nailed every single point. I made a post on this on Reddit recently with very similar points. Chrollo folded Hisoka so badly that the killer clown had a full on orgasm. Hisoka had never been defeated or faced an enemy he could do nothing against. Chrollo utterly humiliated him. Even without prep, Chrollo was likely to kill him anyways. He is simply put, better than Hisoka in every way.
wow the way you ate every single point up cause hisoka fans swear up and down chrollo would lose if he didnt have prep like dude literally told hisoka the abilities he’s using and the weaknesses 😹
We will NOT be reading this novel
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONE you should read it i gave some very interesting point 👍🏾
Hisoka could very well be so powerful and skilled that the poison knife wouldn’t work or he would straight up tank it. There’s nothing wrong with that idea
The way Chrollo explains it is not restricting himself, but carefully planning pretty much every part of the fight. He did say he cared about style but he never said that’s what he was focusing on. By his own statements, and I included this in the video, when preparing for a fight Chrollo eliminates all possibilities that he could lose. He sets up the conditions for a 100% victory. This includes the heavens arena so he can easily hide in the crowd, launch puppets, and have plenty of time to create bombs. These are things he probably cannot do on the fly, but regardless he clearly saw Hisoka as such a major threat that he needed to set up these conditions for a sure fire victory
You’re overestimating how easily it is for Chrollo to just whip out abilities. Zeno said it himself, it’s very hard for Chrollo to actually fight with his ability which is why he relies on a poison knife to fight people. It’s not easy to go flipping through pages while also pondering strategies, moving his bookmark around and activating multiple Hatsu at the same time. This is why he spent most of the fight hiding in the crowd, so he could freely bum rush Hisoka with puppets and attack him when he wasn’t looking.
It’s also very likely that Chrollo was further playing mind games on Hisoka by explaining his abilities to make Hisoka second guess himself and underestimate Chrollo, which he literally did in the fight when Chrollo outplayed him and he realized he was wrong
Great scaling without any bias 🎉.
Now i need a scaling of all Bleach Captains
Illumi is a type of character that doesn't do much, but u know that he's strong af... His presence alone delivers that, and by the fact that Hisoka likes him and he's the Zoldyck's oldest son, that just implies how strong he is.
Raw power is like raw numbers in military. Quality over quantity is a good general rule that is wise follow and acknowledge, but one should also remember that quantity is a quality in and of its self. So at a certain point the difference of quantity becomes an issue of quality vs quality.
In military history strategists wouldn’t just rely on their military being of a better quality than their adversary. Quantity, when treated as a quality, has to be measured and managed like any other quality. So funnel large numbers into a narrow area where the larger numbers cannot be used at the same time. Use the fact large numbers are harder to control and manoeuvre. Orders and information are harder to transverse a large group, so employ subterfuge and instil discordance among the ranks. But at a certain point quantity is often just too overwhelming
I'd put nobunaga higher considering he was teaming up with uvogin. They were the 2 fighters of the troop, so most likely the most experienced fighting wise. I guess we'll see more about him in future scans.
Tks you I don't get why he's so underrated
Nobunaga is trash, he can't use en for more than 1 meter, while Kite can for 70 meters and Zeno for 300 meters.
@@matteocicaloni did you read the recent chapter of the manga ? I doubt it so go read before talking shit
Beautifully done. No one has done it better.
Pretty much agree on all of them, great ranking! Could you make a similar video on all the chimera ants? We obviously know the strongest 4 + Gyro. But it'd be nice to know how the rest would rank against eachother.
i HEAR what you’re saying about machi, but you’re wrong. She is consistently shown to have a faster reaction time than whichever troupe members are around her in that moment. She had made direct threats to Hisoka that she’d kill him, which indicates a level of relativity, as she is also known to have good instincts. Machi is at worst one or two spots below Hisoka. While her combative skills might be weaker than other members, her reaction time would be more than enough to compensate.
I’m assuming the reaction speed feat you’re referring to is when she threw a needle on Uvogin when the other troupe members were just surprised, but that’s just the thing. The other troupe members don’t have an ability like Machi does. Nobunaga can visually see what’s happened, go “awooga?!” but he can’t throw his sword and follow it back to where Uvogin is being captured
I do think it’s PLAUSIBLE the threats against Hisoka have some merit, however, and I apply this to most of the Troupe members in general, it’s that they probably don’t know how strong Hisoka really is. She may have a vague idea but even when Hisoka fought Kastro he was holding back at the time
@@Professor_Fiction valid
@@Professor_Fiction not just the thread but also in the hotel (i think). Machi immediately realized Gon and Killua freed themselves, and then reacted to Killuas enhanced jab upon contact. Realizing they were free was less impressive because she probably felt it through her threads, but her defending against killua using only her sense of touch is genuinely insane, a Kenpachi type feat. Comparatively, a much weaker gon was able to steal hisoka’s badge in the hunter exam by catching him off guard. The two examples are not too similar and are definitely not 1 to 1, but I can guarantee that Machi would not have lost her badge. To further this point, Hisoka DOES have a ranged ability he could’ve used to snag back the badge, but he simply could not react fast enough as far as we are aware.
Well, I’d hope she could react to someone as their fist is actively in their gut. I mean, that’s just reacting to the sensation of pain lol. The second time Killua attacked she didn’t even bother defending she just manipulated her ribs to trap him.
With Hisoka, it had been made clear that under normal circumstances that Gon would have no chance getting the badge. The scenario had to be pretty much perfect for him to succeed and it was. Hisoka was ridiculously bloodlusted and distracted to the point he had tunnel vision. He was so focused on killing the person in front of him, then when Gon did grab the badge he didn’t even bother trying to get it back. He kinda was just surprised Gon managed to pull it off. I think you’d agree it would be pretty cartoonish to say Gon flinging his fishing rod isn’t as fast as Chrollo or Razor. That’s barring the fact Hisoka likely held back a majority of the exam to have more fun with the weaker participants
Great list can’t argue
@Professor_Fiction If you include Omokage, where do you rank him? He is a former member right?
Franklin is being HARD underestimated here, dude is ranked no.4 on the physical scale and he has an insane emmiter ability, like look at the latest manga chapters for reference, Kurapika is being really thoughtful when facing guys with guns and Franklin has an ability that fires nen bullets, not to mention he is the guy that sits ALONE waiting for Hisoka (Confident for his abilities) Imo Franklin is one of the strongest troupe members out there.
The physical scale is not including Nen, most likely. Kurapika in base has no scaling, so that isn’t saying much. And Franklin doesn’t necessarily have any idea how strong Hisoka is, a random monk who’s never seen a tv before could think he could take down Mike Tyson doesn’t mean it’s true
@@Professor_Fiction I think everyone in the Phanton Troupe knows how strong and serious Hisoka is after fighting Chrollo and killing Kortopi and Shalnark. Honestly it would be better not to rank them at all if one of your arguments for them not being strong enough is "I haven't seen any feats by him".
Part of that was kinda the point, to show how characters are being overrated
I'm agree with you, in Yorkshin Franklin said "you are all being too generous with Hissoka, he has nothing special" like "yeah, strong but not enough for me to acknowledge him" for me Franklin is a monster
@@Professor_Fiction You kept referring to the "duel" between Nobunaga and Franklin and Nobunaga didn't use his sword so he must be stronger. Yeah well, Franklin didn't use his emitter bullets either which are his main weapons. And Nobunaga also has no real feats shown but you rated him highly because he is the troupes "combat specialist'. Franklin is also a combat specialist.
the criteria used to assume power most of the time makes no sense
using funny fights between members, considering that being strong how bad the enemy is after their abilities hit them etc...
there's just not enough information to rank them
specially if we consider that the plot of the chimera ant fights was just to show off their powers, so it wouldn't make sense to have all of them one shot the enemies
Well most of them did one shot their enemies. I’m not saying we have the full understanding of their limits and abilities but the list is supposed to be a gauge of what we know so far
Hisoka Vs Chrollo in a true 1 on 1 could literally go either away. Even though I personally think Hisoka would win. But they do scale VERY closely.
isnt that 1v1 and Hisoka Mop the Heaven's Arena floor with his own arrogant face?
@@jeromedalisay1210he survived and got stronger
@@bluefreely the clown still died lol
@@thinkingslinky loss on his part
@@bluefreely killing your opponent is a strange way to lose
14:43 I think that these recent notes refer more to how you use your talent and potential as a type of enhancer, rather than ranking their raw strength or power
It even says that it is a proficiency ranking
That’s true, but enhancements is just putting Nen into your body. Emission and the other skills do have other talents but that’s all enhancement really does. It basically just means Uvogin is better at putting his Nen into his body as opposed to Gon
@@Professor_Fiction yeah thats true
Greg video! High quality analysis and editing. You should do some more inverse HxH content such as hypothetical scenarios, vs battles etc
Being compare to Zeno Zoldyck is such a feat cuz Togashi himself put Zeno as 1 of the 7 Nen Masters, the Ultimate tier.
Bro get rid of that swooshing sound when you transition
İ do believe shalnark is underrated as hisoka points out advantage of being a manipulator is once your conditions met you directly win which means if you get hit by that antenna you are done basicly
Let me start by saying not a machi fan boy and I do like the video. I do agree that powerscaling somewhat exsists in HxH. As you said very few people can do anything to Meruem. Although 1 of them being Phinxs theoretically at least. Netero honestly depends on your ability.
With that being said I got things to say. The guides I’m pretty certain shouldn’t be taken with any seriousness. If you want I can list quite a lot of things that just don’t add up in there or are currently invalid. However, I got to point out your intentionally leaving out machi was caught off guard along with pakinodo and Chrollo to use that as validation already seems faulty. Maki also seems pretty confident she can beat Hisoka on the boat hence why she chooses to go alone. In terms of the troupe as you know everyone is going to disagree with some placements. Using Hisoka as the scale of interest is rather odd, he thought he honestly thought could fight Netero. Hisoka’s desire to fight chrollo simply stems from how long it took to actually achieve it, not because he’s the strongest person he’s seen. I do believe Uvogin is stronger than Hisoka because realistically speaking Kurapika beats any troupe member in 1v1 fight so that’s not a valid comparison. Obonaga said he’d only lose to Uvo in a unarmed fistfight. The troupe members phinks especially is certain they could beat Zanzan with relative ease. Reason Feitan even took as much damage as he did well the implied reason is because he literally took an unguarded nen attack. I strongly doubt he put his all in that strike because what phinks said right after was he didn’t expect no damage. I don’t think they were overconfident because currently in the manga they’re smart enough to realize not to attack a group of nen users head on without knowing what there capable of. Using gon to scale phinks when phinks literally said he could use significantly less than that and the first punch he threw had no aura. I do think current Hisoka is a lot stronger. Also it seems there’s a misconception about the expo but those aren’t in terms of raw fight power it’s in terms of if they reached the maximum potential of their respective abilities. With all that being said I’ll have to say I’d rearrange a few members .
TLDR; placements sound wrong based on what you presented from Machi, feitan phinks Illumi nobunaga uvogin Hisoka pre death if post he can stay there.
We will NOT be reading this novel
i read it@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONE
I didn’t include Machi being off guard because I didn’t feel it necessary. I wasn’t using the fact she got damaged by Killua to say she was weak, I was saying that she has bad feats AND she got damaged by Killua. It was mainly a supporting point but I don’t think it matters. I guess I should’ve explained a little better
Basically the point for Machi and Paku was that their only feats in the entire series is beating early Gon. It’s all they have going for them. If a random boxer easily took down a feather weight boxer in a fight, knocking him out in one punch, would you naturally presume he could take down Mike Tyson or Floyd Mayweather? No, and Machi hasn’t done anything to place her higher. That was the point.
When Hisoka encountered Netero Netero was extremely rusty and wasn’t really showing off his power. It’s very well possible that in his rust and age he was weakened to the point Hisoka would be a hard fought match. It’s also explained by Killua that the stronger someone is, it’s harder to sense their true power. Netero was of course not flaunting his strength, and even Pitou who has an innate six sense to know how strong someone is, she thought she could take down Netero until he pulled out the Gyuanyin. So even then I don’t think Hisoka would be able to sense Netero’s Gyuanyin, so either Netero is so much stronger Hisoka just don’t know how strong he is, or he’s so rusty that without his Gyuanyin Netero is near Hisoka.
Machi is confident he can fight Hisoka but for all we know she has no idea how strong Hisoka is. He constantly holds back in fights to have a good time so we don’t know if she’s even seen him fight at his max. The only time would maybe be against Chrollo but it’s also possible machi just showed up at the end instead of watching the whole fight.
The statement from Nobunaga is that Uvogin would constantly beat him and Franklin up in fist fights. He never said “I only could lose in a fist fight” he’s referring to past events.
Phinks never said he was certain he could easily stomp Zazan. He just was confident about fighting her and that he’d win. Feitan also used Ko, and Ko is literally using all your Aura at once. By definition it should be his max output without his Nen ability. And if you don’t think they were overconfident that’s fine, I wasn’t saying that was 100% true either, just a possibility. It wouldn’t change the ranking either way
The first punch Phinks threw did have aura. If you read the manga, there’s a giant mass of aura swirling around his hand. And I never said he needed 15 swings to defeat his opponent, but the fact he would’ve needed 7-8 swings is bad since Uvogin and Feitan prolly could’ve done it without their Nen abilities. Gon is also able to defeat officers without using Nen abilities
I didn’t mean that the entire Nen expo was about raw power, but for enhancers it should be since enhancement Nen is literally just how good you are at making yourself stronger
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONEyou should he makes some decent points
1:06 your incorrect on that he knocked her out before he could answer her question
if u actually watched the anime,u could tell illumi has a huge amount of aura, killua said it more then once, hisoka praised hes aura also, not one of the zoldyck family fight when theres nothing to gain, illumi and hisoka are very similar and illumi isnt interested in fighting like hisoka is.
Thank you for the Uvogin respect
Didn’t Illumi send an entire village after Killua when he was tryna save his sister?
solid list 💯😁
15 - Kortupi
14 - Pakunoda
13 - Kalluto
12 - Shizuku
11 - Shalnark
10 - Franklin
9 - Machi
8 - Bonolenov
7 - Phinks
6 - Nobunaga
5 - Uvogin
4 - Feitan
3 - Illumi
2 - Hisoka
1 - Chrollo
I agree with this
Perfect list 👌
I definitely think that Chrollo is #1 but not by a large margin right now. Chrollo was confident he could beat Hisoka he just used the prep to ensure his victory (this without prep scaling is further enforced by him being relative to Zeno and Silva). I also think that Hisoka isn’t stronger than Zeno or Silva because he is only slightly stronger than illumi. However this is all before Hisoka dies and gets post mortem nen, this is when I think Hisoka gets into S tier.
1- Hisoka = Chrollo ( in a fair fight it will be 55% for Hisoka and 45% for Chrollo )
2 - Illumi
3 - Phinks ( when Feitan was fighting against Zazan, Phinks was making comments about Feitan's silly mistakes such as letting his body completely exposed to her Aura, and he said that her Aura was weak but she was able to put severe damage on him. And he made it seem that he is not the type of guys to make such mistakes unlike Feitan.)
4 - Uvo ( the only different between him and Phinks is that Phinks has more battle IQ which will give him a huge egde against Uvo, i don't think that Phinks will make a silly mistake such as not using Gyo against Kurapika )
5 - Feitan ( he has the same battle IQ as Uvo but i ranked him lower because Uvo has the ability to one shot him before he even has the chance to activate his ability, you may say that Feitan is faster but Uvo's attack has a big range therefore speed will not be enough also he can use sound attacks ).
6 - Nobunaga and then you can rank the rest as you want.
Phinks didn’t say Zazan had weak aura. He saw that the emitter attack she threw was just some weak aura. And he didn’t say Feitan made a silly mistake, Feitan was surprised that his attack did no damage, and got hit before he had time to defend himself. That’s not an anti feat compared to Phinks.
Uvogin has way better power output than Phinks
@@Professor_Fiction
Yeah an experienced fighter will never expose his body just for one small attack such as KO, Feitan was lucky that the emited aura from Zazan was weak otherwise he would've been dead. Uvo made only one mistake against Kurapika and he is now a goner.
Yes Uvogin have better output but Phinks is smarter and also we don't know the real extent of his ability.
@@aimenemahamdi4360 Ko isnt a small attack bro. It's Basically focusing your whole Aura on 1 spot. Feitan confidently exploit Zazan's transformation to come on top of her. But the Skin is just rock solid. Even Phinks would struggle with Zazan. Zazan isnt stationary like the monke guy. Feitan>Phinks.
@@aimenemahamdi4360 Chrollo vs Hisoka is one sided beatdown. Its a Fair match. Hisoka can see Chrollo fight in the arena same with Chrollo on Hisoka. But skills and strategies Chrollo is on another level. It shows how Hisoka's battle iq is sub par with Chrollo. He never figures out Chrollo even in his Post mortem form. Thats why he killed Shal and Kortopi.
More on Chrollo > Hisoka
Pissed Chrollo > Post Plot Armortem Hisoka. (Chrollo 60% vs Plot Armortem 40%)
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Ko is considered a small attack because we never saw any one get killed or even badly injured by Ko. Even Gon who is an enhancer couldn't finish or even badly damage Genthru who was completely exposed. That's what i meant, you shouldn't let your body exposed unless you are sure that your attack is strong enough to badly damage the opponent and Feitan understimated Zazan and he was lucky that her counter attack wasn't that strong otherwise he would've been dead.
In nen battles even small mistakes will lead to your death if the opponent is smart enough, Uvo's only mistake was not using Gyo, and same for Kastro (although he was going to lose anyway but he could've put a better fight by calming down and using Gyo to see the bangee gum).
Phinks on the other hand doesn't seem like the type of guys that make such mistakes, he may seem reckless but in serious moments he tends to analyse and estimate the opponent power before attacking. He was the first one who noticed Razor and he could see how strong he was so he didn't attack recklessly. Now imagine if it was Uvo for example or Feitan leading the troupe instead of Phinks, they will surely attack without hesitation and a silly mistake against someone like Razor will mean death.
13:49 how are we going to say that Chitu has better than zazan? Chitu is known for being ineffective when it comes to nen.
Cheetu is bad with his Nen abilities, im just saying his Nen basics are probably better since he’s actually been trained how to use Nen
This looks like a really cool video I'll save it so I cab come back to it
From all of the Phantom Troupe Ranked videos, i still find this one the most accurate so far; you have done great observations like the one with Machi. However i could still argue with some of your Analysis.
- Eventhough Machi is pretty much a supportive character, she can still use the stitches to heal herself, whenever she gets hurt.
- Not because Machi, Nobunaga and Franklin were not present when the Phantom Troupe were fighting the Chimera Ant Squadron Leaders; that lower their fences. I mean Franklin has very powerful and has deadly Nen Bullets.
- Speaking of Class A, i'd definitelly rank Nobunaga in there. I mean from all of the Troupe Members, Nobunaga along with Feitan & Uvogin is the one who shows off his combat abilities the most. Like you said he is always there to protect the supportive characters weaker than him like Franklin, Shizuku & Machi. Nobunaga has been showned to be able to challenge Hisoka, Chrollo, Feitan, Phinks & Franklin on sparring matches. Not only that but since Nobunaga used to fight alongside Uvogin often, it pretty much tells you how strong & powerful he is; probably equal or even more powerful than Illumi............. that's just my own observation.
- Speaking of Illumi, i know that by just being born as a Zoldick he's a beast, and eventhough Hisoka is very confident in his power to the point that he ranks him above most of the Zodiacs; we haven't seen much of his combat style. Only the time when he killed all of the Ten Doers. I still rank Illumi as equal as Nobunaga (call me crazy but even probably lower).
So with me being a big Hunter X Hunter fan and after watching this video i will give you my Tier List from the Phantom Troupe Members, and just like you did, no particular order on the members from the same Class:
Class D: Kortopi & Pakunoda
Class C: Calluto, Shalnark, Shizuku & Machi
Class B: Bonolenov, Phinks & Franklin
Class A: Illumi, Nobunaga, Uvogin & Feitan
Class S: Hisoka & Chrollo
Great analysis man, very good observation on Machi, however i still argue with the fact that Machi can heal herself with her own Nen Stitches. And yes Hisoka & Chrollo are in the same tier as Silva & Zeno Zoldick.
PS: I know we haven't seen much on Omokage except from the Phantom Rouge Movie, nor from the member who got killed by Silva Zoldick; however due to the fact that one of them fought Silva and warned his family about the Troupe and the other being powerful to the point that even Hisoka spared his life i'd probably consider them as Class B+.
You ranked them well. ❤
I actually largely agree with this list say for a couple of placements due to Observations.
Everyone is I think giving Illumi a whole lot of credit, as you stated yourself Hisoka likes to fight lots of people including Leorio and as much as I love him Leorio gets washed by 99% of the series. Meaning Hisoka liking someone doesn't akin to strength, this doesn't mean Illumi isn't strong because that's just not true he is a Zoldyc after all however Illumi is relatively featless from what we see he's considered strong similar to Shalnark because of his ability to control people but he also has assassination, his abilities I don't think scale that highly with the majority of the troupe I would put him in High C to mid B.
Now that being said I'd definitely like to kick Pheton up as he himself stated that the huge sun was one of his weaker abilities meaning he has so much more room for potential and with that as his main ability I expect him to have tons of endurance capable of outlasting alot of the troupe until he's able to decimate them. I think top of A is a good spot for him
Nobunaga is an enigma but his overall presentation hints at him being on the stronger end, the fact that he's a troupe member and still hasn't shown his Nen ability even through multiple high level combat missions says it all, he's outlasted most of the gang and you can tell by how Chrollo speaks with him he's respected I'd say he scales above Uvogine purely off Spoken Merit.
And finally I believe Hisoka takes the win against Chrollo 9 times out of 10 post Heaven's arena duel as Hisoka states himself that he's gained tons of power and Hisoka using those terms speaks for it self, he's already an extremely gifted fighter so if he gets a high output of nen to boot there's no telling what Hisoka can come up with
I don't know but, you consider it fair to rank Machi base on pure feats, while you rank Illumi base on statements? Not fair. Hisoka contradicts himself too. He isn't the ultimatum reader of the environment. By only saying he wants to fight Netero he shows it. That can't be a fight just a straight up one sided massacre. So Hisoka ranking Illumi above Zodyacks isn't something clear or precise it. Or even right.
Also it's weird to take it like this bcs, Illumi presents absolutely no fear for Hisoka. The opposite, he just told him he s killing him right there. I just cannot see Illumi saying the same words to Silva or Zeno. And not bcs they are family members or smth.
Also, I like that you said good points for Chrollo. U still let away a key point, feat, pointing his amount of nen aura. He managed to use multiple abilities, and make change again and again between them, using different paths of fight possibilities against Hisoka. Hisoka himself claims that, Chrollo's manage of using the abilities in that way, with that much, are almost impossible. He said either Chrollo managed to strech his ability to a whole new level, either some troupe members litterally helps during the fight. And until isn't confirmed (I mean, we didn't even saw any member helping), the only fact is that Chrollo could manage 6 abilities, changing them multiple times. That, right there, indicate his amount of nen aura. Another valid point of view about Chrollo no needing any kind of help against Hisoka is that, on the black whale, he put other members in teams, while he freely wanted to hunt Hisoka by himself. (Shizuku and Bonolenov going with him is bcs they wanted it, not Chrollo). SO, assuming Chrollo is stronger than Hisoka, it's totally valid. (in my opinion that's not even debatable, having 0% chances of winning is humilitating, either there is prep time or not)
I didn’t say Hisoka was the end all be all of measuring power.
Regarding Netero, it’s stated by Killua that it’s harder to measure people the stronger they are, because they are more easily able to hide that power. If Netero in his rust and age is so much stronger than Hisoka, then in his clearly very aloof persona, probably isn’t showing off all his immense power. Even Pitou couldn’t gauge all of Netero’s power until after the Gyuanyin was unveiled and Pitou also has a strange, strength measuring sixth sense
It’s also possible that in his rust and age, Netero may be a lot closer to Hisoka’s level of strength. We don’t really know how strong rusty Netero is aside from being above the Zodiacs and soloing Chimera Ant Squadrons, which I’m saying Illumi/Hisoka could do as well
The problem is machi has no consistent statements rating her power. The only person confident about her combat abilities is herself. Illumi has various statements from Hisoka and Killua, who are unbiased in this regard.
“I can’t see Illumi saying that to Silva or Zeno” you have no basis for that. That’s not based in any evidence or proof. Illumi was also enraged when he said he would murder Hisoka, which amplifies Nen. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he’s beating Zeno or Silva, but I don’t think he’s beating Hisoka either
@@Professor_Fiction Rusty Netero is exponentially beyond Hisoka's level of strength, it's not a debate. It was constantly said Netero even in his old and rusty state was the strongest Hunter, no one was a challenge, he was way stronger than Zeno etc...
A rusty Netero defeats Nen users of Zeno’s caliber, such as Silva and Chrollo, without killing them. His martial arts skills are superior to Bisky. None of the Zodiacs can truly challenge Netero, even though they are all top-class Nen users. Zeno said that no one can read Netero’s next move from his aura flow, putting his Gyo and Ryu on another level. Morel said his Ren after Ant training was like being stabbed by needles.
I have a hard time believing Hisoka is THAT GUY. He's powerful for sure, but he's getting clapped by Silva, Bisky, and clearly inferior to Chrollo. He ain't doing a single thing to Netero.
Yeah, and if Netero is so so much stronger than Hisoka, Hisoka wouldn’t be able to tell how strong he is. Killua explains this, the stronger someone is, it’s easier for them to hide it
Also Hisoka beats Silva and slams Bisky lol
@@Professor_Fiction Hisoka, never puts his hand on Silva. The opposite, if Silva catch him, he's getting obliterated real quick.
That's the problem with the fandom in general. I really don't get it why everyone overrate Hisoka that bad. In my eyes, he doesn't have feats to stand with Feitan. His only "feat" is to get 0% chances of winning against Chrollo, which again, is sad.
Or else, the fact that Gotoh could pull out an actual fight against Hisoka, is damn bad for Hisoka 💀
Yes, he is a genius, he is a damn menace, but he's as strong or at least relatively as Illumi, they got along in many ways, and Illumi DEFINITELY doesn't beat Silva.
Netero ain't a debate. He speedblitzed Pitou. Nah, Netero speedblitzed even Meruem in the beginning. Netero is able to completely annihilated entire Troupe by himself lmao. Hisoka doesn't come close to Netero in any kind of way but only maybe in intelligence.
Not to mention the postmortem nen that Hisoka now has that multiplied his already immense power.
hey man, i just wanted to ask you if hunter hunter manga is worth reading after watching the anime. I know that theres alot of text and I'm completely fine with that, but I am still skeptical
It depends, if it's power scaling most likely enhancers will be at the top, but in terms of abilities, it matters. Even Chrollo said that Uvogin is helpless against a conjurer or a manipulator in one on one scenario, meaning a manipulator like illumi or shalnark can beat him. If it's the amount of aura, all of them are high enough. Aura level that will be enhancers, combat skills, it may vary
That's what cool with the battle system in hunter x hunter, as long as they're almost with the same power/aura level and combat skills, anyone can win. Nen battle is all about abilities and usage of nen like gyo, in, shu etc.
I wouldn't go as far as saying shalnark can beat uvogin, since shalnark's basic stats are pretty pathetic compared to uvogin, he might just get blitzed and insta killed by uvogin
And also, don't forget that Paku is also in their aura level too.. given that she's an OG PT member and almost got a clash on phinks in the combat.. and she's confident ENOUGH! i don't understand why she rated that low? Maybe cuz we seen her in a series with COMPASSION? Idk.. but for me she's on B-tier
Even Feitan almost frowned when she had her last moments.. they think that they're at risk.. but it turns out that she helped them in the end and sacrifice herself.. she's not afraid also with hisoka.. like 2 of the females in PT were not afraid of hisoka.. and didn't even overwhelmed in his presence.. we don't know what her true potential is..
@@o_MusicLover_o tbf, confident could simply be empty confidence
@@dimensionvisitor7689 tbh, but FEAR are present in their eyes too.. especially on feitan and phinks, like they overreact in the situation.. they don't know what could paku do in her last moment, since they assume that she was controlled by a chain nen-user that no other than kurapika.. until it turns out she just only sacrifices herself..
Due to the short screen time given i think those power is just a tip of an iceberg..
illumi is not afraid of hisoka. he just doesn't work for free
C'mon, Illumi ALLOWED Gon to break his arm. Just like Ging allowed Leorio to punch him. So that shouldn't even be taken into consideration. Pretty sure if he used nen at the time (which he didn't) Gon wouldn't have broken his arm. Illumi wasn't even bothered by it.
It's been a year since the genei ryodan flashback but i remember machi being recognised as potentially very good nen user by another character when she was a kid, if i'm not mistaken she was the first of them to develop nen abilities and was already able to see nen, but again its been i while and i haven't read it again (i should tho, now that the manga is comming back)
I don't think theres much to suggest Gon and Killua from Greed Island or even Chimera Ant arc can beat Pakunoda individually. The feat of Killua breaking her arm and Gon kicking her was largely due to it being a surprise attack in the dark, as they shocked all the other troupe members as well.
I’m not saying Pakunoda is weak cuz she got hurt by Gon and Killua, that was more so a supporting point
My point was her ONLY combat feat is to restrain those versions of Gon and Killua, where they get dozens of times more powerful at the series goes on. She doesn’t have anything to put her on the level of higher tier characters
Pakunoda is weak af, emotionally and in terms of power, that's why she's the one talking to Kurapika. The others are stone cold killers
@shoutotodoroki7089 no she's a killer too. There are just some like her, Nobunaga, Machi, Uvogin, and later Phinks comes to understand, who care about Chrollo deeply.
@@IaloneAmTHEChoppedONENone of the Troupe are stone cold killers wtf. They’re all killers, but they all care for each other and the Spider. That’s why there were disagreements on whether or not to save Chrollo’s life.
I have this feeling after reading what togashi said once on the relationship between phantom troupe’s, kurapika and hisoka. And that’s chrollo gonna dir on the hand of hisoka especially after what we saw on the manga’s scans and hisoka gonna die somehow on the hand of machi.
Here is my opinion on this tier list:
S+: Chrollo
S-: Illumi, Hisoka
A+: Feitan, Machi, Nobunaga, Franklin
A-: Pakunoda, Phinks, Uvogin
B+: Shalnark, Shizuku, Bonolenov
B-: Kortopi
C: Kalluto
Hisoka is stronger than chrollo
@@Filialbertogarcia Chrollo literally killed him
umm ackcually~ 9:17 that time also kilua being influence by his brother neddle is why he had trouble when fighting strong opponent... although that opponent killua can beat.
Illumi doesn’t have the feats but for someone like Hisoka to treat him like his equal speaks a lot.
Tho I initially thought that Feitan can match up to Illumi in combat, Illumi’s personality gives him the edge.
Feitan is brutal and a sadist, but he’s not as warped and tricky as Illumi. Which makes him the worse, and stronger.
Zeno and Silva don’t even control or command him and that speaks a lot.
Hisoka in a way seemed to have found his match.
True.
Agree with this.
1:06 Hisoka knocked her out before she could use her power, difference in aura wasn't the reason.
Machi is definitely underrated. I feel like a lot of people forget that when Gon and Killua were at Heaven's Arena, Machi was the only one who could deduce and determine why Kastro lost, and Hisoka would have been in some trouble if Kastro picked up on Hisoka's trickery. In regards to nen understanding, brief instances like that are a testament to Machi's skill level when it comes to nen, and it seems like she is pretty proficient in nen which makes sense because she's a spider. Also, she was one of the only ones in the troupe to react to Killua and Gon's movements when they tried to sabotage the troupe and she was one of the only members to react quickly enough to place a needle on Chrollo when he was abducted by Kurapika.
She doesnt have that much fighting scenes sad times
Most of her showings are just her intelligence or skill level. That doesn’t mean she’d rank any higher since this is a combat ranking
@@Professor_Fiction I know but nen intellect and skill have a lot to do with combat ability, especially if you have a nen ability that can become combat or offensively oriented. With an ability as versatile as Machi's I wouldn't be surprised if she has a variety of useful tricks up her sleeve to use in combat, similar to Hisoka with his bungee gum (Hisoka is a transmuter and has a transmutation-based ability like Machi).
Heres a question. Could pakunoda use her memory bullet ability to temporarily stun enemies. Like genjitsu from naruto.
It’s definitely possible but she’s too physically weak to capitalize off of it