What If Shino Went on The Sasuke Retrieval Mission?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- What if Shino went in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc with Naruto, Neji, Shikamaru, Kiba, and Choji after the Sound 4? Could Shino beat the Sound 4? Would Shino make a difference as Kimimaro, Rock Lee, Gaara, Kankuro, and Temari arrives in the battlefield as well?
We are going to discuss how Shino would do against Kidomaru, Tayuya, Kimimaro, Jirobo, and Sakon, as well as the impact he would have in the different scenarios of him bein in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. We will use Shino vs Kankuro and Shino vs Zaku as basis for the analysis.
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What's your favorite Shino moment?
When Naruto comes back and He doesn’t know who shino is 😂
When shino keeps asking Naruto that he was abandoned by him.
When shino fought/ held back kankuro
Shino was about to have the best moment in his entire career during the war with Torune before the annoying Naruto clone got there with his bullshit. Kishimoto just couldnt allow any of the side characters to shine even for a moment.
There's not too many Shino moments
Kinda would’ve made it like 5x easier if it was shino and Naruto vs Sasuke and 5x funnier if he is just like standing there
I imagine Shino would be so out of place there lmao
@@stefanrosu248 Yea 😂
At least he'd give Naruto a lift to the hospital afterwards.
Oh I get it like he just let’s them settled they’re differences 1 on 1? Yea shino just standing on a cliff in the background would be hilarious especially if we the audience can’t hear his inner monologue 😭😭
@@Wavecheckfoo He would be sitting on a rock waiting for Naruto to ask for help like Tobi was in the Sasuke Vs Danzo fight lmao
If sakkon tried to enter shino the insects would reject him and eat him alive he would have probably the most horrifying death in the series
Maybe they could try to enter the body of one of the insects inside Shino? We don't have much info on how the twins invade bodies but in case that's possible then it's GGs since the moment one of the brothers try to get a limb out, Shino will burst from the inside out.
But that's assuming that they would even get close to Shino, think about the possibility when one of them is getting BUGGED or simply not discard the idea knowing that Shino is a hive man.
@@luanvieira6892 Wouldn't that result in a super small bug with a HUGE human torso coming out of it? Would look amazing
@@VTWS Then the human half just squashes the bug part like that giant in one punch man
This is pretty much what would happen. Or he can just tell the insects to eat the part of him that's not him.
@@somegamer4071 they are so much more than just one and eventually he could be overwhelmed
I like how Shino does basically nothing in the manga and everyone just agrees that this person is a HUUUGE threat. Like bro showed up in the beginning, bodied two dudes, then went on a high level jonin mission before doing absolutely nothing outside of filler
But I mean, what they showed of him in Naruto Classic they really OP'd him
Just because they hoed him like they did Lee doesn't mean he isn't a potential problem. In fact, I would say that Shino is one of the most powerful non jinchuriki in show.
@@cynicalnitro8416 yeah if kishimoto focuses on side character from original more shino could be possible strongest character in series because when I watched original i like his mystery personality and his bugs skill which looked op in chunin exam arc he was in semi finale but afterwards kishimoto just forget about him totally
Not just that. They made him really scary in his fights
Fillers are part of anime so watch them. I don't read manga and I watched all 720 episodes.
Its really hard to counter "My insects swarm over you and bite you and drain your chakra" None of the Sound 4 have good speed or defensive feats, so they would just get swarmed.
Almost the entire Sasuke Retreval Arc team was entirely Taijutsu based, all of their plans generally became "hit the enemy really hard"
Literally ANYONE with an alternate strategy would beat the sound 4 and Shino has that alternate way.
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I dunno, spiderboy's sweat armor and webs seems like they might be a decent counter to Shino's bugs
@@AlteredNova04 How long can he maintain the armor and does it drain his chakra while doing so? Remember he put it on to counter neijis taijutsu and then let it drop off him.
I think he needs to maintain it in order for its effectiveness to work, which costs chakra, else he would put it on all the time
@TheCrowing14321 I don't know how long he can maintain it for, I'm just pointing out that he does actually have a technique that could probably save him from just getting swarmed and one-shot by bugs. I think his webs would be an even better defense, though. He could probably surround himself with thin, nigh-invisible webs, and a lot of the bugs would get stuck and trapped trying to reach him. I'm also not sure if Shino has any way to dodge or block his arrows reliably.
Basically, while I agree that Shino would easily defeat the other 3, I think he would struggle against Kidomaru, and maybe even lose.
Jirobo and Kidomaru do have defensive feats though. Jirobo tanks 2-pilled Choji without getting a scratch, can the bugs pierce this durability? Kidomaru has his armor.
Also granted , we are talking about the "Chunin exam" Shino. While everyone from the group of 5 got stronger POST Chunin exams , we dont know what Kishi would give Shino have him went to the mission. Perhaps more OP insects , a summoning jutsu for bigger and better insects , better tracking insects , or hell HE BECOMES A KAMEN RIDER LOL
he would get those insects that set traps, so suddenly a hole appears on the ground and a big ass ant bites you.
Honestly he just needs to buff himself. He doesn't really need better insects he just needs to get better at using him. Lets be honest, most people at the chunin exam would have lost to him. The hell would they have done in that situation? Shino is honestly broken vs. most people unless they are strong enough to overpower the bugs which would be kage level opponents.
@@Delimon007 Or they're fast enough to pummel him, or have ranged attacks to destroy his swarm. So Sasuke, Lee, Gaara, Neji and Naruto would beat him, with Kiba in the maybe category.
@@Delimon007 yeah kishimoto literally made him one of strongest character in chunin exam but later forgot to even care about his character
He could use flies as a makeshift sharingan or byakugan, or attach quicker insects on his body to make him quicker and improve his taijutsu.
Shino and the Aburame are so under used in the story for the incredible potential they had.
Kishimoto could have made the Uchiha genocide more realistic by having Danzo make the Aburame Root members poison the Uchiha Shinobi (without Itachis Knowledge) with slow acting poison from those nasty Aburame bugs before Itachi went in there, so that the Uchiha cant put up an effective defense against itachi.
It would make more sense from a tactical perspective from Danzo's position, instead of trusting that a 13 year old who just awakened the MS (which we are not sure Danzo was even aware of) could take out the entire clan cleanly)
It would lend more credence to the itachi as tragic hero retcon too, than the "he was sad about it" bullshit.
I mean yeah it would make more sense- strictly speaking- but it won't be as dramatic and tragic...
There not under used, 9/10 if they are there the fight is decided it’s just do you die immediately or slowly. It’s actually quite comical cause if I’m remembering something, majority of the root/anbu are filled with Aburame clan members
The Aburame are kinda dark already, that would make them look evil lol
It needed to be Itachi. Having an entire clan wiped out over night would cause every other clan and even civilians to rise up AGAINST the higher ups and start their own coup. They needed a fall guy, and painting Itachi as a psychopath who murdered his clan and fled fits the bill. Uchiha's are still respected and they go down in history as an unfortunate tragedy rather than traitors.
Danzo needed itachi to kill the Uchihas because he is an Uchiha as well, if Anbu were found responsible to that masacre, people of Konohagakure would loose faith and fear the leaf high-ups, plus that could turn he Aburame clan into the new "Uchiha" as the clan feared by the whole village for their powers and cold blood. The leaf would be incredible vulnerable in that scenario, that's why Itachi accepted the mission. Also, it's hard to imagine anyone exept an Uchiha could walk around the Uchiha quarters after they were isolated, and right before a coup, I'm sure they had people on guard with sharingan, and Itachi went in, well, because he is itachi Uchiha.
Shino is basically Gaara with bugs. He would've been too OP for this mission lol .
bro I think Shino was more powerful than his whole team sensei included I still remember when he blew off zaku's arm and his sensei was just mortified at what she saw was probably thinking (what the hell did acdemy give me?)
@@lightyoshiman They gave her three people with super specific abilities no single person should be able to actually teach lol
There's people with super specific abilities, and then there's those super specific abilities that are somehow hella versatile when you think about it, dude probably has bugs with better abilities than some pokemon lmao
I'd say a way less powerful version of Gaara, but with slightly more hax. Shino's limited to the amount of insects his body contains. Gaara has an entire gourd of it, and by the SRA, he could create it from the ground iirc. Shino's bugs don't have any speed feats either to say they could tag people as fast as Sasuke or Lee.
@@VTWS yeah i dunno why the academy just puts all 3 different types of ability to a genjutsu master lol. The only common thing those 3 shares are their tracking ability. (Byakugan, insects and smell tracking). Other than that they just had nothing in common, i guess that's why kishi just made kurenai pregnant and disappear from the series because he messed up badly lol. With ino shika cho they have that combination, gai's team all share the taijutsu traits and kakashi's team just left him for the sannin lol. But these 3 just got abandoned i guess or they just learnt nothing from kurenai and instead learnt more from their own families lol.
My headcanon is that Shikamaru and Temari just decided that going after Sasuke sounded like too much trouble and "Naruto's his bro let him cook yeah that's fine he's got it"
Shino had so much potential to be one of greatest. I personally think that it is the character most underutilised in the whole anime.
Shino, Tenten and Lee are probably the holy trinity of characters with incredible potential that just get squandered
They really tried to boost side character screentime with the filler arcs, but that goes about as far as you can throw it obviously
@@violetsparkles5453 tenten potential? bruh she was a random who never had screen time lol
@@manee2412 she has talent in ninja tools and sealing jutsu. Underutilized concepts but doesn’t mean she had no potential. She and Lee were arguably the most quintessential examples of what an ninja should be but were both left in the dust
@@violetsparkles5453 almost every major side character are underutilized in shippuden but shino is most because he was hardly get any screentime after chunin exam
Couldn’t Shino have just placed an insect on Naruto to be able to track him? I imagine he would place a tracker beetle on everyone in the squad just as a precaution.
Also, great video! You covered some minor plot points that I (and I feel many other people too probably) took for granted, which does change the landscape of how the events go down.
I can see shikamaru coming up w that plan
And on spider guy who likes to hide. Easy win for Shino.
The insect would've probably die during naruto vs Sasuke fight.
He could clog up Tayuya's flute, keeping it from making sound. For Kidomaru, they could eat through webs. Theoretically.
As a joke, you should do a video on how Sakura, Ino, Hinata and Tenten all together would fare against each member of the Sound 4 individually.
The Tayuya match up would be funny since she can summon 3 other teammates to "even" the game.
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Ino would 1 shot everyone other than Sakon with mind transfer. That jutsu is too busted to be written in a legitimate fight
@@tacogodboomdogg Ino's jutsu jobs to anyone with enough will power assuming she doesn't off herself immediately after taking over the opponent's mind (and we all know Ino ain't doing that), all they'd get is a free hit.
Tenten solos
@@tacogodboomdogg not really. If your oppunet has more will or someone wakes them up you can counter it. And inos will isnt that strong. Plus thats the only attack shes knows, she scaled to sakura who was weak as shit
Shino if developed and had accesss to all types of insects could’ve been one of the most op characters ever, some bugs are far better trackers than dogs and some carry deadly poisons and some can cause severe pain when it bites and that’s all in the real world, imagine how it would be in a world where they get enhanced by Chakra and be given abilities
I believe kishi only pushed shino aside after realizing how hard it is to draw him fighting with a swarm of bugs. Shino was cool calm and calculated, he literally had the craziest win at the chunin exams.
Honestly I think Shino would’ve battled Kidomaru instead of Neji and we could’ve seen bug guy vs bug guy lol
neji is the only person who could cut the chakra threads and is kidomaru's counter.
@@corndog7813 Shino's bugs can eat chakra though.
@@luanvieira6892 lol i forgot about that part
Agree, then we probably have neji stay back to fight kimimaro, who gets helped by Lee
@@BeegzBomb the fight that never happened neji vs kimmaro would have been legendary
I like adding Shino to the team instead of replacing Kiba because that moment when Kiba busted out the Cerberus it was just so sick. Really wish the Konoha 11 kept on getting more and more abilities and new tech like that. He's also one of my favorite characters, so it'd be a real shame missing out on that moment.
I think Kishi kept Shino out of the arc because he's just like a hard counter to the Sound 4 and would have made it so easy and changed the outcome he wanted, unless he just found a way to cheaply take him out during their mission.
They could've just made Kidomaro counter Shino's insects. It's a known fact that spiders hunt and eat insects as a part of the food chain. It's not a bullshit excuse since it correlates with nature and it's an opportunity for growth.
This could be Shino's motivation to breed and develop insects that fight back against arachnids. Or heck, have him use arachnids as a part of his Jutsu.
Shino has never lost a fight, so Kishimoto knew he couldn't let Shino go with them for dramatic tension. But it still would have had a good plot moment for Shino. He couldn't catch up to Sasuke after his fight with Kankuro, but that would push him to catch up this time around.
Also, this made me realize two of my three favorite characters (Shino & Tenten) were both left out of this mission. At least Shikamaru got a lead role in it, but alas... Shino is too strong to be allowed on screen and Tenten is too fast to even be seen. Either that or Kishi knew she'd out rank the other girls for cutest character and had to keep her hidden to give the others a chance.
Yeah Kishi probably stopped using Shino because he realized he made him too broken for a side character, and we all know Tenten is too OP, but seriously we got all the same favs, Shikamaru was great throughout the series, Shino was disappointing after part 1, and Tenten was disappointing the whole series lol
I wish Kishimoto made a mini series for every significant side ninja. That way, we could see all of the unused, but powerful characters use their abilities to the max
@@avaliausd. And he could make Anko a sexy badass again instead of an incompetent fatass.... One can dream.
Technically in the anime he lost to Mecha Naruto. It's filler but it's extremely high quality filler
@@VTWS He did also lose to another guy in a filler, but in canon he’s undefeated lol
When the anime opening of this arc remembered shino more than kishimoto himself
Shino is very powerful and I wish he had more fights because insect fighting is unique and adds a layer of intelligence and strategy in his fights
Shino is just the most broken character. He stacks up against almost any character. I think that's why the author didn't get into the clan much. If you think about his power, it is just too powerful. It's a direct counter to everything that has chakra, or is made of flesh.
Only maybe lava release would melt the bugs.
Also his bugs could easily sap a Susanoo since they literally eat chakra and unlike a flesh and blood summon, Susanoo is pure chakra
Well in the anime he was defeated by Mecha Naruto's cluster bombs, since his bugs only ate the outer bomb
How fast is he? How fast are his bugs? If they're slow, then he's toast against most of the mid-high tiers.
@@serendipitouscomet Yes and because he was underdeveloped
Still I can see his bugs being able to increase in speed. The novels expand on his potential more.
Also, we all have a bad habit of comparing everyone to the Uchiha, who are just broken by plot, even their base abilities from the wee wee gan
@@aceclover758 They should definitely be able to increase in speed. But there's nothing to suggest that, in this time, they did so.
I think it's funny how adding one member to the team pretty much grants the now Konoha 6 the ability to stomp everyone.
Also, I think Kakashi would be incredibly grateful to the team leader too in that situation (Shikamaru) and develop somewhat of a liking to him due his qualities being quite similar to himself at his best.
The biggest question in a Shino fight is how well people can clear away a whole cloud of insects and the sound 4 doesn’t really have much of a way to do that. You can’t typically punch an insect cloud. Only one with a chance is spider boy thanks to being able to summon the baby spiders that might be able to wrap up Shino’s bugs because, y’know, that is what spiders do
However if said bugs can eat the chakra in the webs to break them then that will be a problem
@@beywheelzhater8930 so, Temari negs Shino?
@@jackgonahieu4999 depends if that fan also works to send em away once the bugs swarm her
I mean it’s more obvious because it’s Shino, but most of the Konoha 13 would be able to tip the scales a bit. Make one fight 2x1 then go help the others. It’s like that Team Fighting Championship event
It wouldn't even matter if Shino could beat the Sound Four or not.
All Shino has to do is get one tiny insect on either Sasuke or the Sound Four and then just have his insects track them to Orochimaru's hideout
and have that information returned to the Hidden Leaf. It's like recon and intelligence gathering is vastly underutilized in the Ninja world of Naruto.
What really interests me is what would happen to Sasuke when he gets brought back. Tsunade believes in Naruto, without a doubt, and would try to reason with him, but I would think Danzo would have tried to take him out to prevent Orochimaru from getting him like in Shippuden.
Nice! Just wrapped up the original series with my girl.
After the valley fight( when I said that's the end) she says ..." wait there's 4 more seasons 😰"
Told her we'd been skipping ( fillers) and she sorta wanted to keep watching--> 4 episodes later and she's says " yeah that doesn't feel like naruto " 😅
Conclusion: Shino would be badass had he been used more
For Kankuro to beat Ukon in a 1v1 while standing INFRONT of him and not hiding, tells me shino would’ve wiped the floor with those guys.
He beat a tired Ukon, not both of them together at their best.
@@serendipitouscomet didn’t ukon and sakon heal up though ? Sakon and ukon were just in a different setting in the forest instead of a open field
@@WesleyWezz Sakon had just gotten grabbed by one of Kankuro’s puppets so he had to heal inside of Ukon’s body.
The bugs could be a good way to tag the sound 4 and follow where they go making things easier.
Though if he had to take a fight I'd say tayuya or sakon would be best in a stall game as shino could easily set up especially in the Forrest if the sound ninja in the arena got jumped when nothing covered shino
Short answer: Yes. Shino could probably solo them all together including Kimimaro. Thats why Kishimoto had to keep him out of the arc. I mean theres endless possibilities with Aburame bugs. We already saw him using them stealthy to drain chakra or clog chakra etc. And thats just what we've seen. Imagine he could use some bugs as chakra bombs or full body paralyze. At that point he could verry well be at the power level of a jonin. Thats why in Boruto he even got nerfed
I agree except for kimimaro. He isn't dumb and is extremely fast. If he can doge sand, he can dodge bug clouds.
Shino is powerful but he ain't soloing them all together even if we ignore Kimimaro.
@@luanvieira6892 even beating spider boy is a stretch. The webs will be useless because the bugs will crawl up them and drain the chakra, but the armor is gonna be a problem.
I don’t see Shino ever beating Kimimaro
The latter was one of the stongest ninja shown on screen in part 1
He is powerful enough that Kabuto implied they would’ve succeeded crushing Konoha if kimimaro was present
@@aceclover758 Shino would do relatively well until Kimimaro says "Fuck it!" and makes the bone forrest, Shino ain't dodging that.
I was waiting for a video like this, I always said that they woulda got Sasuke back easily if Shino was there, I think Kishi left him out because he realized that too, I think Kishi realized he made Shino too broken and decides to stop using him, that’s probably why they joke about him being forgotten all the time too.
Probably but I think there are plausible ways to make him less broken. Doing things like limiting the amount of bugs he can use, making the bugs very chakra-costly, making the bugs' chakra absorption take longer for stronger ninja, etc. These could go a long way to make a battle where theoretically Shino should win low-diff into a struggle for him.
@@Vizardog Yeah I think making using the bugs drain a lot of chakra is the best way to balance it
I might be wrong, but i think Kimimaro can buff his defense to the point where Shino can't do much. If he keeps a layer of bones on his skin there is no way for the insects to bite, and drain his chackra. This only works if Kimimaro can protect his eyes though
In the manga he opens up his flesh. That sounds horrifying to imagine bugs crawling under his fingers and spine.
He’d have to completely cover his skin,any crack or crevice would get breached and his chakra would be bit through
@@CarbonMalite kimimaro could impale the bugs through pretty much everywhere in his body.
@@koltennguyen9604 Thats what I was thinking. A full body armor made of bone. I have not yet found a solution for his eyes though, unless he can turn his bones into a very thin net that allows him to see, but not let the bugs through
@@guisas123 It's like killing bugs with a lance or mace though, Kimimaro probably can't do super small bones
The truth is that Shino was very OP in the classic. And with the right script, he could win anyone
Sauske retrieval is one of the greatest arcs in anime history, saying it's just one of the best of the franchise is underselling it
Man it's alright. Stop meat munching.
As I was thinking about it before and after watching the video Shino just matches so well against the sound four in individual fights... I thought of a theory.
Perhaps Shino who normally doesn't show emotion is so visibly hurt by not being part of the team, that maybe that was a secret nod from Kishimoto himself sort of giving a hint or jab to the readers who may have wanted to have seen Shino the secret "Yeah he would have been VERY useful in those fights that's why he wasn't included ;)"
Shino was cracked all through the original Naruto. Then they turned him into a joke from Shippuden onwards. He probably could've given them all a run for their money
Ofc they would succeed. Remember their first meeting with sound four? When Shikamaru set a trap, but into another trap. Shino is perfect shinobi to counter this case, it would a trap inside another trap inside another trap. In other words things would go rough for sound four from the start, they would have to use cursed seals early to break out...
Imo Shino, despite his skills, having just one more competent and skilled person on the team would’ve changed a lot
Similar if Lee left with them
I can see him easily taking out Jirobo or Tayuya especially teaming up with Choiji and Shika
People also forget due to his bugs being immune to genjutsu, they can always break Shino out of it.
Basically the reason Shino wasn’t involved isn’t because he was on a mission with his dad, it’s because Kishimoto realized that if he was involved his bug justu would have just completely broke the story.
Shino: "I put bugs on all of you years ago. Sasuke is that way."
So in a nutshell Jirobou has no chance, Kidomaru might snacks on Shino's insects, Tayuya's flute would get clogged, Sakon or Ukon would be traumatized by becoming one with Shino and Kimimaro is basically fighting discount Gaara with bugs
Before watching the video, can Shino just clogged Tayuya's flute and the bugs are eating her from the inside? That's some horror type of sht
I feel like if it played out the same. Shino would have stayed behind to fight kimimaru. And Lee and Garra would have been there to back him up later. I think kimimaru was just the strongest there, even more so than sasuke, and if it wasn't for his illness, he would have killed Lee and Garra. So I don't think shino would have changed anything
I really don't get it how people sometimes think that the Uchihas could win agaist Konoha.
Like, Shino is just ONE Aburame, he is a genius on his own right?, heck yeah, but still, imagine the scenario of ''What if the Uchihas din't stop the attack and Itachi was on their side''
Short result : They would be destroyed, it would not be a war by any means, it would be a full on massaquer on all Uchihas by the : Aburames, Hyuugas, Akimichis and Naras, mostly, the Aburames that probably are immune to the most of the genjutsus and they cannot have their insects copied.
Shino vs Jirobo isn't as one-sided as you think. Unlike Choji who can destroy Jirobo's earth prison, Shino has no counter against it. Also, you assume that Shino's insect one-shot everyone. Not necessarily, the problem is we don't know how fast he drains people of chakra. But FWIW Konan fought all the Aburame's clan for hours and she didn't seem to have been drained of even a fraction of her chakra.
Konan could probably just shed whatever part of herself a bug latched onto - very bad matchup for the clan.
Konan is mad powerful though
Yeah the thing here is how much chakra those CM2 folks have. Not sure how that kind of evil chakra and/or nature energy works with the bugs, either. Maybe they'd just keep fighting with the bugs on, or drain nature energy from the bugs, or whatever. Jirobo MIGHT be too dumb to notice a bug is sitting on him though.
@@pieoverlord But without sensory abilities, how would she know that she has one on her? How does she know they drain chakra?
Bruh konan is akatsuki level dude, and akatsukis are just kage level ninjas. These sound 4 are just chunin - jonin level.
If Shino replaces Kiba, nothing changes.
If it's a 6-man team, then that means Naruto doesn't waste time against Kimimaro and catches up to Sasuke early, but he still loses that fight so nothing changes. Unless Lee or Gaara somehow catch up to them at the Valley of the End, in which case... nothing would change either as Sasuke would win a one-on-one fight with either of them at that point.
Then wouldn't that be a 2 vs 1 or even 3 vs 1 fight i doubt sasuke can win against everyone alone if he couldn't even win that easily against a damaged naruto
@@jersont.3339 I'm assuming Sasuke would have already won before Lee or Gaara arrived because Naruto would have caught up with him earlier due to him not needing to fight Kimimaro, but if any of them do show up mid fight then yes, Sasuke wouldn't be able to win a 2v1.
@@KaoruMzk actually, sasuke was still inside the drum when naruto fought kimimaro and immediately as he got out and left the drum, lee appeared and saved naruto. Hence why naruto was able to catch up and fought sasuke. So nope, sasuke won't win anything yet and just got 2 v 1 against either naruto + shino or naruto + lee.
I personally think that even if they retrieved sasuke and brought back to leaf. The stubborn ass sasuke would be again try to escape the village bc of the will of his brother and seeking greater power thru revenge. ALSO DO NOT FORGET Orochimaru seal!!
On another note i think that even if sasuke would be brought back to the village maybe DANZO would be the one who would want to experiment on Sasuke.
You should cover what danzo is, and how powerful he is (politics), as the hidden villain in the story (spoilers), how he transformed his hands thru eyes and wtf he is doing in the underground of leaf village
Thanks for the videos love them. Recently completed naruto and naruto shippuden. Helps with the what ifs
That is such an unhinged matchup at 12:00 Naruto, Kankuro, and Shino vs Sasuke at the valley of the end is crazy and I love it
Regarding Jirobo vs Shino, we have to remember that Jirobo has the ability to drain chakra either with that rock dome or, in CM2, with just his hands. He still probably loses most of the times, but we don't know how would his ability interact with the insects. Could he actually drain the insects' chakra? With just his hands or through his whole skin? If he is able to "eat" their chakra, Shino pretty much loses. But Shino could hide or flee, I don't see Jirobo killing him. Yet, Shino is pretty smart, so he has that advantage.
Imagine Jirobo being the only member of the Sound 4 with a chance to beat Shino despite being the weakest overall just because he is a hard counter to him (in CM2, as tbf I'm assuming he can't drain chakra by just touching the opponent in weaker forms).
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Yeah man! The Sound-Siblings. My favorite team from Naruto :P
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Didn't know shino was this badass in the manga.
Kishimoto should've treated him better instead of being a "forgotten character" gag
Im still upset that Shukaku didnt come out to help Gaara against Kimimaro
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just left my phone in a taxi and the Notification made him know my phone was there 😅😅
Yeah I’m pretty sure Shino woulda destroy Sakkon. He could have his insects drain his own chakra to get sakkon out and then give it back.
I’ve always felt that most of the time in Naruto (especially part 1) Shino got left out because Kishimoto couldn’t figure out how to make him not OP against the enemy types presented.
The 7 versus 3 part made me think of a scenario where all of the teams go after Sasuke and fight the Sound 5, not only the boys but all of the Konoha 12 + the Sand siblings
Actually that could be a nice what if video, even if very similar
I feel like everyone is forgetting Shino’s character and the specific events of this arc… the most logical course of events is the 6 genin are stopped by jirobo and Shino being the guy who likes to chill and support from the background will let Choji stay and fight jirobo, and Shino would continue to do this for all the weaker sound 4 members until Naruto and Shino make it to Kimimaro. We gotta remember that in the original timeline Naruto fought with Kimimaro a bit before Lee shows up to let Naruto move on, so in this timeline it is in character for Shino to take on the strong Kimimaro to let Naruto go on to fight Sasuke. Then Lee shows up to save Shino, and Shino and Lee still can’t beat Kimimaro because Gaara and Lee couldn’t even do it. Then Gaara shows up and tbh the three of them might beat Kimimaro before his sickness takes him out and they could rush to Naruto’s aid, but we gotta consider the original timeline, in which Naruto vs Sasuke starts while Lee and Kimimaro are fighting, and in this timeline, Naruto vs Sasuke starts before Lee even arrives most likely, meaning that even if the 3 beat Kimimaro, Naruto vs Sasuke would be over and nothing really changes.
I don’t see why Naruto vs Sasuke would start any earlier with Shino being included. If the idea is for him to stay back with Kimimaro then he’s just replacing Naruto’s attempts to fight but Lee still arrives at the same time and so does Gaara, only difference is Shino might actually be able to push Kimimaro more and make him exhaust himself a bit faster
@@RagtagOcean Shino replacing Naruto’s attempt to fight means Naruto doesn’t waste time fighting, time he will spend catching up to Sasuke, causing Naruto v Sasuke to happen sooner
@@guywithglasses5309 weeell that's true but shino's bugs can eat chakra so kimimaro wouldn't be able to endure as much as he did in the original and this time it would be a 3v1 so even more difficulty for kimimaro
@@jersont.3339 Yes and I said kimimaro might lose the 3v1, but Sasuke would beat Naruto and leave before they arrive
To be fair,Shino would definitely provide a greater tactical and faster solution against Kimimaru,since Shino’s bugs would be able to catch Kimimaru off guard in the middle of fighting a drunken Lee,who’s already unpredictable.
So Shino would catch Kimi from behind (Shino’s bugs can catch even jonin) while fighting drunken Lee and his chakra would be a good bit drained and he’d have to somehow block out Shino’s bugs with his bones,but his chakra would already be greatly dampened and he’d be tagged by Lee probably,so with that,his sickness might kick in even faster
it was a mistake to not take him. he was stronger than kiba and akamaru from what i could see from both of their performance in their fights (shino kankuro / kiba naruto). shino = kankuro > sakon
Shino's the goat fr.Bro never lost a fight
6:36 Invade one of the insects' body? Not sure how effective that would be but the image of a human sized arm coming out of a bug just to punch Shino sounds too hilarious to me.
Shino's bugs feel like the perfect counter to the Curse Mark, either keeping his opponents from being able to activate it or depleting their chakra to the point they can barely maintain it.
A factor you forgot is that the cure mark is a copy of jugo's bloodline ability to passively absorb nature energy and make sage chakra. So the chakra boost they get is safe chakra, which tends to turn the people who absorb it and don't know how to control it to stone. So if shino tries to absorb their chakra in stage 1 or 2 chances are his bug will petrify before they can make a noticeable dent
That is a really good point
Although this was too early in the series for Kishi to have thought of that and also it may not be the same for bugs or animal
@@yikes313 if the toad statues around the oil pool are of any indication, it is the same for them. Pretty sure pa outright says they were all toads learning safe mode before petrifying. Also no toad human hybrids among them, unlikely any of them were human.
It's similar but it's not the same. There no reason to think people would turn to stone if absorbed. I honestly believe that the curse mark don't have enough nature energy to make the transformation.
@@Slowpoke3x if you are just taking about absorbed sage chakra I would like to remind you of the Petra path when he absorbed Naruto's sage chakra, from his body, he immediately turned into human frog statue. If you are talking about the curse mark sage chakra, there might be a chance it is diluted enough to have no affect, especially since transplanted kekkei genkai are not as powerful as a born user.
@@dylanmiller6169 of course I'm talking about the curse mark, I even said it. Curse mark users, have little to no control over the chakra they absorb. I'm pretty sure they passively build up a well of nature energy and capped at just enough to trigger the transformation for a certain amount of time. They drain this energy then have to wait till they build it up again. Never enough to turn to stone. But I suppose if someone with a tiny amount of Chakra absorbed nature energy from someone with large Chakra stores it could happen.
The what-if we didn't know we wanted, but needed.
Stuff to rememeber, "Never go to a business trip with your dad"
Kidomaru is the only sound ninja that might beat shino. And it's entirely because of that armor. Shino's insects wouldn't be able to get through it. He would need to create an opening. And it's hard to do that on an opponent like kidomaru.
His spiders should also be able to eat Shino's bugs.
Really depends, we know bugs that eat spiders, and bugs that are extremely toxic and poisonous
@@258Loures Kidomaru has a giant spider summon that can birth other spiders of many sizes, no way Shino can have a bug powerful enough to eat all of them at that point in the story.
@@258Loures still would need to get through that fluid armor.
@@luanvieira6892 the idea is Shino don't need to have a bug so big to eat a spider, he can really use a special one to give a lethal dose of venom to the intermediate danger.
Remember that we saw a shinobi from Shino's clan capable of pass on toxic status by only touching you.
bro, if Shino went on the Sasuke Retrieval Mission, he would have brought his unique bug-based jutsu to the table. It would have been interesting to see how he contributed to the mission.
That fact that shino was sulking about the retrieval mission shows how all of their friendship grew since they left the academy. Man was jealous and angry at the same bc he wanted help his friends as well
Can you please tell me what's the name of the music that plays at the minute 3:07 of the moment that destroyed Sasuke's character video?
PLEASE
The original Naruto really painted Shino as such a powerful and resourceful ninja even from 12 yrs old. You have made me realize how much he was slept on in the series and how he really could have shined, I think he is actually one of the top 3 strongest in the konaha 12 maybe too 2 since sasuke is the only one who has the sharingan (to spot the bugs that are attacking him) and a wide area of effect attack in his fireball
Jutsu. I honestly don’t even see how Naruto wins against shino as kids. Naruto would need to rely on a Kyubi Amp if he even wanted to stand a chance. Shino is such a goat I wish he got more screen time. Also more rewriting Naruto now please!!!!
In the match up against Jirobo, you didn't mention that Shino has a way to instantly beat the guy. Jirobo needs to keep his hands on the rock to use Earth Prison Dome. And the walls of the dome clearly have gaps. Shino can just order his bugs to exit the dome and swarm Jirobo, starting by his hands. Jirobo won't have time to activate his curse mark, and the Sasuke Retrieval team doesn't even need to leave Choji behind.
I wished Shino could’ve been an anbu ninja with the way he acts, they could say that he does Anbu missions on the side in shippuden while at times contributing to his original team
Shino have some of the best feats in all of early naruto, never losing a fight and having great battle IQ. Even in shippudden he’s undefeated and has beaten a resurrected kage with no difficulty. They would’ve retrieved sasuke in seconds. Plus his bugs drain chakra.
I have been planning to rewrite naruto for a long time but I never got confident to and I plan to make a video soon your video inspired me more so do I have to credit you for it
I feel like Shino staying behind and fighting Jirobo with Choji would've allowed them to win decisively... then both of them could move forward together and team up 3v1 on the next enemy... 4v1 on the next... and so on and so forth. Eventually they would almost all come upon an exhausted Sasuke and drag him back to the village.
I would put Shino in the squad, but as a secret Ace in the hole that Shikamaru kept back. To counter Shino on one side, I would probably add a much weaker version of Jugo that would show up with Kimmimaro. He would be the one to fight Shino and would come close ro killing him, but Temari and Kankuro would show up to assist after their battles to force Jugo into a retreat.
Shino was low key a top 4 member if the konaha 12 in part 1. He was super strong and got done so dirty by kisimoto the rest of the way
Well, there are ultrasonic sounds that kill pests, so maybe Tayuya has a special justsu that uses these ultrasonic sounds which act as an insect counter. If I was a writer, I would do something like that and maybe have a coordinated attack injure Shino before they all get separated.
Or maybe when Kiba smells the Sand Siblings in the area and was put on edge. Shino volunteers to do some recon as a fellow tracker. They now have the manpower to make the attempt, but this would remove Shino from the fights.
VIDEO IDEA: If you lived in the Narutoverse, what would your original character be like?
I would be an Aburame clan member who defected to Otagakure (Sound village). I'm a big insect/spider lover as well as a musician, so it fits! 😁
Without going into the video (might edit this) here is how I'd imagine certain situations to go:
Shino when entrapped with the others
- Uses his Chakra eating Bugs and disperses them among the rock which will cause it to crumble due to the overload of chakra needed to keep it up again because them insects be many and nasty.
The other Sound 4 Ninjas will still do the same escape but won't travel that far this time. Allowing two people to stay behind with not so much sensory skill needed to follow up after leaving 1 or 2 behind to fight Jirobo.
Shino against Jirobo:
- My estimation in this would be scenario would be, that Jirobo does not know about the bugs and will confusedly slowly die in this battle even with curse mode. Shino will get a beating in curse mode though.
- My more accurate estimation would be that Choji and Neji/Kiba (one of two tracker/sensory) would stay behind and this would cause an even harder beating with both surviving enough to move up to the others after winning against Jirobo. I can also imagine that Shino would leave some surprise bugs that could attack Jirobo unexpectedly.
Shino against Kidomaru
- Shino would outplay hard on this one. Again this comes down to the feats of how vulnerable Shino would be to the Curse Mark Arrow Shot of Kidomaru. Otherwise I can easily see the same reason Kidomaru lost to Neji would happen with Shino but with bugs instead of a Hakke Kushou.
Against the other 3
- He will not fight against anyone here but Tayuya.
- He will outplay once again with bugs in the dense forest
- He has been shown to be very resistant to Genjutsu. His bugs will probably help him break free (The only Genjutsu we see affecting him has been the Infinite Tsukuyomi)
- He will have run out of Chakra at that point and will be unable to continue fighting against Kimimaro or Sakon/Ukon since he wasn't able to consume all the Chakra due to the nature of the mission.
- Those two will have an even harder fight since the Chakra reserves of the Konoha Nin are higher this time with always one 2 v 1 possible at their end.
Again this is highly speculative since Part 1 Shino is still a big mystery character in terms of bug abilities compared to Shippuuden and his damage resistance apart from the feats shown vs Kankuro/Zaku
The thing we gotta remember every single person who participated in the sasuke retrieval arc was stronger the chinium exam except for Lee. We gotta give Shino a power boost.
Shinobi was one of the top genins. Highly intelligent useful jutsu, and barely lost a fight if not any
Very Easily actually.
Jirobo? Do I even need to explain.
Kidomaru? Dude leaps from tree to tree. Bugs on tree's = win for Shino.
Tayuya.: mostly immoble target. Get's swarmed.
Sakkon/Ukkon. HArdest fight tbh. But they can get swarmed no problem. They can't even enter his body without getting drained.
What Burrito did to him was unforgivable.
Chapter 700 is all on Naruto though, same goes for Anko.
@@luanvieira6892 That chapter, that ending happened because the staff forced Burrito.
@@adrian_veidt Not really relevant unless you deluded yourself into thinking there's is some correlation between Kishimoto giving them bad designs and a sequel.
@@luanvieira6892 It is relevant. Kishi had to revise his ending. Burrito could've fixed it but nope. Which makes it shittier than it already was lol
@@adrian_veidt The plot has nothing to do with how an artist draws his characters.
Well, they almost got the Sasuke, so of course adding any other member remotely capable would have result in bringing Sasuke back. He walk alone to Orochimaru, with no Chakra and wounded, it was enough for somebody to get there and take back Sasuke after he was weakened by Naruto. But the story was meant for Sasuke to go to Orochimaru, that's why no jonin get there, why Kakashi was late, and why those members were chosen. I can just guess Koshimoto would change the abilities of one of the sound 4 if it were Shino instead of Kiba there, to get another close match. Maybe it would be revealed that the guy who can split is imune to poisons for some reason, and that the cursed seal (which add natural energy, its a form of artificial weak sage-mode) counter the Chakra consuming insects, thus Shino would have to fight in taijitsu and only use insects for clones, tracking, diversión, shield etc.
Could you do a hypothetical video if Shino had the 7 tailed jinchuriki?
Fuu would be alive and be best friends with Naruto 😢
@@redbool1115 yea I actually liked fuu
Damn, Shino and Fuu almost interacted in the second Chuunin exams in the filler. He was able to detect her status as a jinchuriki when she breathed on one of his scout bettles. Their dynamic as people misunderstood by what they hold inside them, their insect affinity, and contrasting personalities (Reserved Shino and Outgoing Fuu) and appearances (Pale skin, hidden eyes, dark hair, and very concealing clothes VS Tanned skin, vibrant eyes, bright hair, and very revealing clothes) would have been super interesting.
It could have been one of the coolest and well thought out romances in Naruto that would have HAD to end in tragedy, as Fuu needed to die for Akatsuki's plans. I think it's implied that Kakazu, the rogue Taki nin, took her, the Taki Jinchuriki, down.
Imagine Shino teaming up with Shikamaru to take on the Zombie Duo, one to avenge his Sensei, the other his only love. Plus, the threads vs bugs fight would have been amazing, imagine Shino about to lose to Kakazu, cornered by all his masks, only for Shino to reveal his insects had infested each body and ordered them to eat out the hearts. It would give Shino, this stoic, stoney character a foil in Kakuzu, a glimpse into what he could be if he lost his humanity. This would be the only time we see Shino express strong emotions, maybe this is when he uses the forbidden nano beetles and sheds his cloaks and glasses, and we see the raw pain in his expression as he seeks to avenge Fuu and rid the world of the (ironically) heartless Kakuzu
@@jordanmanley9172 wow and here I was thinking it’d be a cool concept if shino had the 7 tailed beast because of of synergy. But I have to admit shino not being a jinchuriki but just interacting with fuu is much better from a narrative standpoint
Dang I wish that could be a video!
I know Boruto is all about the next generation, but Shino, Lee, Hinata, Ino, Shikamaru and Choji realistically all have great matchups for the otsusuki. If you’d like to say choji is too big and too slow alright. If you want to say their minds are too complex or different for ino’s mind transfer to work, okay. But their weaknesses are physical attacks. Lee should be as useful in the 7th gate as Sasuké’s chakra-less ass. And shino’s bugs like Gaara’s sand can’t be absorbed.
If Shino was added, I like to think things play out exactly how they originally did, but Shino is still with Naruto when Lee shows up, so they leave Kimimaro to Lee and run after Sasuke together. But as soon as Naruto starts yelling about their friendship, Shino is just like “A lot of intense personal feelings between you guys here. I’m just gonna step back and let you two have this, this seems important.” And just does nothing the whole time.
Imagine if Gaara and Shino teamed up against Kimimaru. That would be such a unique and strange team, but also a powerhouse team! They both are long range fighters who don’t need to expend much chakra since one uses minerals in the ground to create more sand and the other absorbs chakra. They could combine and use moves (and this is my own head canon ninja art style): ninja art, Sand Beetle Coffin (and it’s Gaaras sand coffin with the outer part being dug into by the beetles, so whether they’re crushed to death or try to escape it’s a lose lose situation) or ninja art, Sand Swatter (and it’s a fly swatter made of sand laced with beetles that also works as a pseudo sealing jutsu cause the net pattern traps the enemy to the ground).
You know what would have been really effective?
Having the party not split up every time they encountered a sound nin.
Think about this for a moment.
The Sound Nin had a dramatic head start in getting away.
The Team had no idea where they were.
The Sound Nin have been long distance sprinting this entire Team.
Yet, somehow, the Team caught up to them, multiple times, through Kiba.
In my opinion it would seem to me that distance and obfuscation will not help the Sound Nin get away. If this were the case the Team would not have been able to catch up to them in the first place.
So now we have multiple 5v1s.
Because it's a 5v1 the fights should dramatically quicker. The team should also be able to pull these victories off with less expended resources, making them less fatigued for the other battles.
Additionally, since they are traveling together, their chances of retrieving Sasuke goes up.
After all they do not know if the Sound Nin or not. If they do, and the Team keeps living members might, they might be opening themselves up to a future curb stomp.
They also have more resources to use to ensure they actually beat foe.
They don't know if their left behind members will win their matches. If they don't those Sound Nin could catch back up and hurt the Team.
Shino vs. Jirobo is pretty straightforward, no discussion there.
There's a lot of fanfics that posit that Kidomaru is from a Spider-theme Clan that got destroyed by the Aburame during the Ninja Wars, much like Suzumebachi and her Bee-themed Kamizuru Clan from the fillers. Kidomaru's skin tone also indicates his clan might be from Kumogakure, much like the Kamizuru Clan comes from Iwagakure. It's a fun idea that each Hidden Village has an insect-themed Ninja Clan, just like each Hidden Village has their own Jinchuriki, just another part of them Ninjutsu Arms Race Cold War shtick. Definitely a missed opportunity for an interesting thematic fight and worldbuilding there. I like Neji vs Kidomaru, but frankly it would pale in comparison to Kidomaru vs Shino's potential family feud vendetta match. I think Shino could win this, but he'd be only slightly better than Neji was.
Tayuya was able to put Shikamaru in a tight spot, so I wouldn't count her out of potentially winning against Shino. Cause Shino's insects are overpowered, but Shino himself isn't necessarily a PHYSICAL power house or very fast. Those Doki Summons hit pretty fucking hard, and Tayuya was smart enough to place Shikamaru in checkmate before Temari came save his ass. Hard to say who's smarter between Shikamaru and Shino, though Shino's advantage is that he's cold-blooded and not lazy like Shikamaru.
Uh, your logic on Sakon here is forgetting a crucial point: Sakon and Ukon have a Kekkei Genkai that breaks down anyone's body they come in physical contact with. Given the crazy shit we see Kabuto pull using their Demon Brothers Kekkei Genkai later in Shippuden, I think Sakon ironically would be a death trap to any Aburame Bug that touched their body. Kankuro's advantage is that he uses non-organic puppets. Also, again, Shino isn't exactly the best physical fighter. I think Shino COULD win, but he'd be carried home by Kankuro afterwards, cause Sakon was leading the Sound Four after Kimimaro's illness took him out of the team for a reason.
Yeah... Shino's my favorite Konoha 12 character, but Kimimaro would massacre him. Kimimaro TANKED Lee and Gaara. Shino's good, but again he isn't anywhere near Lee's level of martial skill, and Gaara's Sand Control definitely overpowers the insects in many ways (example: Gaara can literally turn any battlefield he's in into a desert, whereas Shino could run out of Insects). We never see canon-Shino pull any insane Ultimate Jutsu stunts like those from the Ultimate Ninja Storm games as a Genin, but most of Gaara's insane Ultimate Jutsu from those games are easily feasible even pre-Shippuden. And Kimimaro's lungs were the only reason Gaara didn't get the Vlad Dracul treatment. Kimimaro takes this, sorry Shino.
One thing is shino is bout that action, he don't fuck around he literally nerfs himself with worse insects just to make fights harder for him
Shino vs Shikamaru would be an interesting fight
I worked this out in a fanfiction of mine involving two original characters plus Haku going after Sasuke as well, but AFTER the gennin were already dispatched. My conclusion was that Black and White Zetsu would get involved to assist in helping Sasuke escape, which Sasuke would take advantage of because he actually DID want to leave. So there would have been no stopping him. Even my two OG characters would have had their hands full with Zetsu and would not have been able to capture Sasuke even after his battle with Naruto. And I think this is how Kishimoto would have written it in order to force an outcome where Sasuke leaves to train under Orochimaru.
As for Shino joining in, they might succeed in retrieving Sasuke, despite him wanting to leave. It would depend on them getting the coffin back before Sasuke could emerge though. Once he's out of it, there's no catching him, as the Zetsu factor would come into play. But in theory, if Shino were to stay behind with Choji and help him, the match would have concluded faster and the two of them would have been able to move on to help Neji. This would then snowball toward Kiba and Shikamaru until they finally caught up to Tayuya who would not have been able to keep the coffin away from them. Kimimaro would have arrived too late to intervene as the squad would have been returning to the Leaf with the coffin. Lee would meet up with them as well. Kimimaro would then face the same problem the squad had with the Sound 4, with one or two members hanging back to block Kimimaro while the lead escaped with the coffin.
In my headcannon I whish that there's an other member of the sound 4 (in this case there will be 5)
That have similar ninjutsu,tiajutsu as NEJI
that way, SHINO could fight Kidomaru in a bugs vs spiders fight
MAYBE seeing Shino vs KIMIMARO
OR
NEJI VS KIMIMARO
I'm more interested in how Shinos bugs would react to the nature energy being drawn into the curse marks.
All Shino would have to do is place a big on each member, slowly draining chakra; making the fight easier for everyone at the same time. Shino is underrated.
Imagine if the bugs gotten into tayuya's flute.
Idk, maybe you have him backing up Kiba? Sakon and Ukon are 2 basically, so the sound 4 are actually the sound 6 with Kimimaro and Ukon. He is Kiba's teammate after all, they should work fine together, as for Kankuro, make him retrieve Neji and Choji. I honestly think the fact that a 12/13 year old was required to go on a mission with his jounin clanhead father is far more impressive than going into the retrieval arc. Shino was done dirty in Shippuden, he would've really been a good way to give more depth to the Anbu and characters like Yamato, Danzo and Sai had the author make him join the organization, that would also explain his lack of action in the story. It's the same thing with the Byakugo seal retcon of Boruto, instead of having Sakura say the new info about the jutsu, they had Mitsuki and Sarada, why lol? Back to my Shino in the Anbu comment, Kakashi didn't really help with the depth of the Anbu (in canon), use Shino, a stablished character to do so since he has the requirements to join would be clever and organic.
The ways I can see Shino joining the mission in the arc and it still holds up :
1. Shino fighting Kidoumaru instead of Neji. Neji has a fight with Kimimaro instead of Naruto and in the exact same circumstances loses and is saved by Lee who thinks "If I can defeat the guy who beat Neji I've surpassed Neji". Naruto and Kiba fight Sakon and Ukon together and they are stronger like they were hyped to be.
2. Shino and Kiba tag team Sakon and Ukon which are completely rewritten with different powers and we get to see their teamwork. Shino somehow kills one of the two and faints and the rest of the arc is unchanged. This also makes the Kankuro save more meaningful.
I kinda feel like the reason Shino didn't go on the mission was because the writer realized that logically he would wipe the team since their abilities would be countered by his bugs.
Shino was so cool in part 1 i wished he stayed that way 😢