Would I Buy A VW GTI Again? | The GOOD, The BAD, And The UGLY
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Thank to everyone who has followed along with this build, unfortunately this is the last video of the GTI. I want to share my experience with the car and what I would do differently if I had to start all over.
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They knew you were a nice guy and took you for a sucker. Shame on them. At least you exposed their business
I thnk there should have been full transparency on any additional costs. I do not agree with their decision to add cost without looping you in every step of the way.
Yes, I can understand if it was going to be a little more than $7k with all the BS they had to go through finding a block, but it was $5,600 over the estimate.
@@ChicagoAutoPros ok ,but what is extra stuff ?Must be visible on bill.
@@ChicagoAutoPros did you check the trunk for the extra OEM engine you paid for? :D.
I've had this happen, and I've seen this happen, shop owners assume you're some high roller baller, and they think to themselves that its fine to add x,y and z and you wont care, its peanuts.... then BOOM! bill drops and wtf!
@@MILEVOJVODA ja jaranćina. I'd be upset.
in Sweden it is illegal for any type of worker to charge more than 15% of said price without letting you know before hand. then and there you have the option to have them quit or continue. if they try some BS and charge you twice as much as agreed upon you have the right to tell them to fuck off.
$5K over the orig est and he never never notified you or got authorization? His workmanship might be high quality but his ethics are dirty. How did a $4500 used engine end up costing $9000?
Fraud , It is no different then stealing. He is trying to rationalize insanity. Send them a letter from a attorney, and take them to court. This is exactly why you get estimates , documentation for everything.
Keep in mind, my cost for a brand new Gen3 2.0 is about 4.5 - 5k. I can get used ones all day for about half.
Ya that's a really big xtra !!
He should have notified you ahead of time as he knew dam well what his padded bill would be.
As the old saying goes ...
"He didn't even kiss you first"
The guy you worked with is a crook, straight up. Thanks for letting the world know not to do business with them. Sucks man.
Yeah, no respectable shop is going to liberty themselves to roughly $5,000 in unapproved additional work, claim they had a surprise for you then bill you for it.
I think you’re in the right, anybody would assume the extra stuff was on there part
It would have just been nice to know that it would be that much extra so I could have said NO. I know Zach had good intentions with going above and beyond with the engine, just wish I would have clarified with him better after the change of plans. I just assumed that we were going with the quotes I was shown.
I just feel like with anything - construction, purchase order, etc... whatever changes to the original quote should be documented on a change order and signed off on by both parties. Did he specify the extra stuff or was it to be a surprise? If the latter, the cost should be on him.
Btw: I love my Mk7 gti. I’ve had VW‘s the last 20 years. I’ve got 90k on mine right now and bought a daily driver to keep the mileage down since I can’t afford an engine rebuild etc... so now I’m like “crap, I’d better take it for an inspection of the timing chain for stretch” and all that jazz. Luckily mine is dsg. I have suspension work done to it but detuned it after my mechanic told me some horror stories. These are so easy to get a lot of cheap power out of but they’ll bite you!
Good luck with the Tesla! I’m a bit jealous, I love those.
*their
@@Bungletronics @Chicago Auto Pros APR Plus tune, covers warranty with a gain of +60 tq/hp and no need to replace clutch on 6 speed. 5 years/60k miles left on my warranty. Absolutely loving my Mk7.5 GTI. @sti_blob to see it.
DSG itself will be the big problems. It is the nature of dual clutch to be worn out at some point. But clutch replacement in it is not 10k, but if the robotic is running wild, it will cost 10k too.
I agree doing a little something extra means its on the house.
Id definitely say you got ripped hard man. He used your passion for your high end business to stick you with a giant bill without making sure you knew
Without putting anyone down that 12k bill should have been explained by the shop through the process. You can’t say we’re gonna do x,y,z and not speak up about the additional cost. Both parties lacked communication. No one is saying the shop does bad work or is inefficient. However, if replacing with a stock motor is quoted around 7k they let their customer down by not explaining “extras”. I mean literally almost double. Did they charge you storage fees? The business side lacked the communication to the customer IMO.
Move on to RS3 and never look back BTW
Yeah, those are my feelings and interpretation as well. I'm in another country and don't own a VAG product so I'd have no reason to have a beef with a shop I can't visit and from what was shown here, they seem like they do good work. But I can't see why they wouldn't clearly lay out something major like "hey we can do some extras to the car that we think you'll love, but that will add cost, you ok with that?" and also add a quote in there in writing. Heck maybe even throw a freebie in there since you've now got side projects going on (maybe they did, but that wasn't communicated clearly) and the process dragged on for a few months, probably longer than both parties where expecting.
A shame mis-communication can ruin a promising relationship, but that's the story of so many people, right? Hope both our boy here and VFC learn from this experience and improve.
i had my GTI's engine replaced over the summer for about 6k. shop had everything on their website with cost updates, progression pics, chat/service history documented and updated in real-time. real awesome shop. still love driving it every single day. best of luck hopefully one day you'll be back with the VW family MK8 R :D
Jason, Great video. I hope folks can appreciate this thing in two aspects; 1) The challenges in modding a car, and 2) Dealing with unexpected/unplanned expenses. Having modded and built a couple of P-car race cars (and dailies), you really did a fantastic job laying out the process, and your desires, and how it transformed the ride. I know you are getting a lot of comments about what the engine builder should or should not have communicated. It happened, and your transparency in the whole process will make all of us ask more questions in the future. BTW, my current daily is a 2017 GTI (Sport), and you are right, it is a great "all-arounder"!
How's your car doing now?
@@jd_617_yktv2 Going strong, 73K miles.
That’s interesting. All my car work has included a signed estimate followed by a phone call should there be overages.
I ok'd everything through email, including the decision to forgo the performance build and continue with the used engine option.
As an owner of 2 automotive repair shops, and without knowing exactly what was done "extra" I would say that's far too much. A used engine with those KM should be a pretty basic drop in minus some plugs, gaskets, etc. 12xxx$ is pretty extreme
Don't ever assume anything, always ask question when it comes to $$$. It's very unprofessional of them for saying "we'll do something extra" but not stating the cost.
You're a nice guy for accepting the bill for what it ended up being.
He definitely took advantage of you really hoped to see more Gti content hopefully you consider a R
Bro they robbed you! just like All dodgy mechanics 🤨 shouldve exposed them properly and saved the next person. Second hand engine would've cost them 2k, labour 1k. Lets say 2k for their experience. Thats 4-6k max including extras. They rinsed you because of your popularity. Get your money back..
Couple of lessons:
1. A daily driver is not a track car. Unless you are willing to drop some cash. A track car could breaks often due to the stress and all other associated racing things. Because of that you will be out of a daily rider, since will be at the bay waiting for diagnostics, parts and mechanic time.
2. An automaker expends millions of dollars in research and development, guaranteeing the 200+ thousand miles of driving. (With proper maintenance and care)
3. Usually an aftermarket company develop a part base of theory. But they don’t have the millions to drop for research and development than an automaker, unless they are sponsored from the automaker.
4. Shop labor cost money with or without fixing a vehicle.
After all a track car is an expensive hobby, usually just a money dumping toy. with some extra cash, best way. Get your daily from a dealership, then if you want the same car as a track get an used couple of years old from the same or previous generation. That way you know are part available, plenty of knowledge and forums post for it. having a couple of year old within the same generation will be a near seamless driving experience. Getting an older generation will be less money than the current generation.
In my experience most car repair shops have a policy of calling for authorization if the cost is going to be over 10% of the original quote.
I feel you Jason! You’re disappointed with there service and I’m sure you will not do this to your customer. Thank you for sharing your experience men.
My friend, when you got that bill back, you should have refused to take the car. The difference in their estimate to end up with an oem engine with oem + “upgrades” is unacceptable. It doesn’t matter how well it drives after the fact.
I would have gave them the 7 grand and walked away
The work may be fantastic. The car may drive wonderfully. The parts may be top quality. The fact remains the bill was almost 80% over the original estimate. It's not reasonable to expect a customer to pay almost double the original estimate without talking to them first.
i dont normally comment on car vids, but big credits to actually telling the truth that sometimes life sucks and not hiding, when a project turns into dissapointment. If you are the guy 5 years ago with the video of washing the mercedes it shows the long and hard way you have pursued the scene, the vids and stuff has gone a long way in quality and the rest, keep it up man..woop woop for the future builds.
thanks for posting this video Jason. as a fellow GTI owner I feel like I've watched every video on RUclips about upgrading the car over and over. then I stumbled across your video series, and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed each episode. I don't know much about engines etc either, and it was really nice of you to share your learning with us. I still absolutely love my car, and I still want to do some mods to it. but now I am definitely more cautious about what I will do, and to what level I will take it.
to anyone else watching these vids, the videos may seem long when you look at the time, but for a car enthusiast wanting to know some more info about their GTI I will happily say WELL WORTH IT!
by the time I got to this final vid I must say I felt bad for you too. but you seem like a genuine dude, and im happy to report you've got a new subscriber out of me. looking forward to learning about the Tesla next.
peace brother. xx
That ES350 you got is a very good car. Put over 60k miles on mine and had zero major problems.
when I was watching this video and Zack suggested build up the engine or put a stock OEM, I thought to myself how do they know if the block isn't ruined if you decide to build up the engine? I thought what happens if the block is bad and would they charge you for that labor? After watching the video a little longer I was actually right.
That’s unfortunate that you got crankwalk. From the many posts I’ve read from those who have suffered from this on the MK7 GTI, every one of them has tracked their car at some point. Not sure if that is the issue, but I’m IS38 custom tuned on my MK7 GTI, and have had (2) DKM Stage 2 clutch kits on it with zero problems. I’ve never tracked my car. I know the DKM Stage 3 twin-disk has introduced crankwalk, as well as Southbend kits that hold up to 480+whp. Maybe between the tracking and the higher holding capacity clutch kits, that is what introduces crankwalk, but it’s hard to say.
Could be elevated oil temperatures for extended periods of time on the track that cause that bushing to wear excessively
Wow that first shop should have told you about this issue, goes to show how important forged internals are.
You’re 100% right. The extras were on them. I would have declined to pay the extra over that they initially told you. That’s called a bait and switch as far as I’m concerned. Shame them. Shame on Zach. Shame on Vfc.
Well look at this way what if you quoted a customer 2k fir a ceramic coat then they pick up the car and it’s 4k! What would you do for that customer?
or go half ceramic coat then spray paint the rest and wonder why your being charged for more than a few cans of spray paint. I mean he says they worked on the rebuild for months why would anyone think they're not going to charge for that time? rebuilds are all labor, sure it sucks it couldn't get done but yea seems like there was a lot of time spent on it before they hit the impasse. I just don't think any shop anywhere is going to rebuild a motor for a month and just decide to not charge you because the block is bad.
I think the shop should have been more transparent with you on the costs. Great video!
Man, that is the story of the GTI. Luckily i wasnt put in the exact same situation but mine ended up getting totaled by a drunk driver while it was parked outside of my house. My turbo went bad, my intake manifold runner flaps broke, my rear main seal started leaking. But when it was running good it was a dream to drive. Now I'm in a Ford fiesta st and this thing is slow as hell compared to my vw. But it runs reliably. At stage 2 tune right now and not so much as a CEL yet🤞
I'm glad the car was saved anyway. They are really great if you can mod out a few reliability issues and maintain them on schedule, it will repay you with value and quality like no other.
"I didn't even know crank walk was a thing"
DSM guys: *confused unga bunga*
I actually went to a reputable shop that said "hes never seen crank walk on MK7 gti's" i was dumbfounded. Every enthusiasts i spoke with said its a known issue on this car after a clutch upgrade. Mainly stage 2
@@pigg20021 so is there any solution ?
@@seansmile yes. There is a company that took a thrust bearing out of a 1.8T or something and machined it to fit with pins to keep it locked in. While this is a issue it still effects few manuals overall
@@Tony-ps9qk gotcha just wondering my buddy owns one. I like them a lot and haven’t heard of them having crank walk like a 20 year old dsm lol
@@Tony-ps9qk and thanks for the response
We both payed too much, similar happened to me, but more at my own fault. That seems fairly clear that you wanted the cheaper option and being so close to option that was expensive, they knew better. You deserve some money back. And yeah they just dont make small engines the same anymore unless you have a mercedes or toyota yaris GR lol. the 2.5 5 cyl by audi is pretty robust as well. Its crazy how much you gotta pay to play, but we do have a weight advantage vs bigger engines, and better balance
It’s good to hear that you really enjoyed your experience with your GTI Jason. But having a modded vw/ Audi comes at a cost. You never know what’s going to happen, when it’ll happen, or how it happens. My 2008 A4 is just as unpredictable. It’s hard to say if you overpaid or not. Labor cost on euros is definitely high. And you pay the price for good work. Maybe there are some pricing factors that weren’t quite brought into light. But, what do I know I’m just a man commenting his thoughts. I hope you enjoy your Tesla tho (even tho you won’t have any turbo noise 🙃). Keep on killing it you beardiful man 🤙🏼
Yeah I had to learn the hard way. Still enjoyed my time with the car and looking forward to getting more projects.
Enjoyed your story. I have the same car with a DSG. I dont think you were taken for a sucker, nor do I think Zach was being completely transparent. There was a lot of time taken to diagnose the problem. The old engine had to be removed and inspected. There was labor for that, time looking for the block, storage cost, etc...Did you really think the original price quoted to install a used engine would be the same after all the labor that was put into attempting to rebuild the old engine? At the same time, Zach should have informed you that the total bill isn't going to be anywhere near what was quoted. The "extra" were extra charges. You were too nice to say that they ripped you off. You were struggling not to say it. Zach lost all creditability when you asked if the washer was replaced and he said "no". Why the "f" not?
In hindsight, would engine replacement + upgraded clutch washer be the least expensive and workable option? You can keep all your existing mods and not worry about crank-walk. I can only think of two reasons why that wasn't suggested. One, they wanted to bill for a bigger job. Two, they are not engineers and were not 100% certain why the washer broke.
You keep saying you want to push it to the limits. In this case, Stage 1 plus hard driving is pushing the washer to its limits. Let's be honest, is it VW's fault. Are mode guys and aftermarket part designers creating negative reliability to the brand? We can understand why manufacturers void the warranty after backyard "upgrades".
Performance upgrades are for the hobbyist, so expect bigger and more frequent repair bills. More power along with harder driving will naturally cause engines and other components to break faster. "Fun" comes at a price.
Great vid bro. I got my dsg 2019 and I knew I was gonna like it, but didn't know I was gonna love it. Had more fun w/ it in the first 2 months than I had in my past 5 years (we had a Durango and then an F150 before) but yeah same thing - now that I own one, I totally get the community and the following that the Gti has. This little buggy has one of the best packages on the planet!
I recommend you get an lc500 you will enjoy the car with the reliability
Been there man. Sometimes we have to call it quits with cars and it ends up bittersweet.
dam man that is so sad to hear how this all played out!!
Honestly that price at the end it crazy from the original quote. sorry to hear this
Seems shady to me, was the “extra stuff” cleaning and inspecting the replacement engine? You’d think that would be part of the job.
I bought a 2020 GTI a couple of months ago and was thinking about going the same route as you. Stage 2 tune, stage 2 clutch, down pipes, intake, and some suspension bits. I'm glad I saw this video before I started buying parts. I think I'll be leaving mine stock for the time being
All these GTIs with crank walk are on upgraded clutch. Cheaper to just keep burning through the stock units.
Humble about the situation and give you credit for the way you carried yourself throughout the video. I've toyed with the idea of a track car and I would get one for track use only and set up for those road conditions. I hope it doesn't put you off and you still go ahead. In future if an engine blows you can source one from the UK or EU. If you need those contacts feel free to reach out 👍
A couple of insights Jason. If they were working on Option A then you change your mind, you must expect that you would get the initial work on Option A on your bill. Secondly, if they offer to add work you would assume they are doing for love not money, but in my experience ALWAYS ASK who is footing the bill for the extra stuff. Here endeth the lesson my son. Lloyd
This guy charged you more than what a dealership would.
I went to a dealership with my MK7 GTI and got quoted for $13k. Still up there in price.
@@ivansld100 smaller shops should never be charging more than dealerships or even similar prices
@@omarsilim1389 100% agreed. It turned out that the dealership had a 3rd party that would sell and replace the motor since that specific dealership did not do engine repair/replacement. By pure luck I came across that 3rd party (a junkyard/auto parts store) and got the engine from them directly for a lot less.
Big super decision on the Tesla, great choice mate, looking forward to my own someday, happy driving mate God speed, great vid, totally enjoy this posting. I am very happy I watched this posting because I am on the verge of getting the GTI 2018 model, just wanted to know some of the real-world experiences of some owners. Thank you so much for sharing, buddy great stuff.
Concerning the final invoice: I think the error was on both sides. The customer have gotten all the information upfront including an estimate of the final invoice. And on the other side the customer should have asked for that information beforehand or asked for more details of they didn't fully understand the first time around
Yes, I should have definitely asked more questions.
I had a 2016 mk7 gti performance pack 6 speed manual and it was is38 stage 2+ on a stock clutch. It lasted over 2 years and I was surprised. I ended up going back to stock selling it and trading it in for a 2019 mk7.5 gti rabbit dsg.
Why'd you do that?
Can't wait until the you release the video about the problems you have with the Tesla.
It's coming next!
When modding cars especially your daily driver a phrase that comes to mind is “don’t sh*t where you eat.” If you are able to, only mod your fun weekend car, keep your daily driver reliable so you don’t run into issues like this. But hey like you said you had to learn the hard way and that’s a good thing most times. No matter how much I enjoy my car, I’ve got a Tesla Model 3 and I enjoy it a lot, I never get so far involved to where it feels like a member of the family, and I consider myself a car enthusiast. It is a thing and is easily replaceable.
Good advice.
It’s a damn shame. I’m on a stage 2 south bend clutch too with a stage 2 tune from EQT. Super scary when I see these kinds of videos. I’m sorry the car didn’t work out for you. Can’t wait for more videos.
communication is key as you stated but thats on the business performing said service to inform you of costs. I think they realized you were a cash cow and not putting techs/shops in a bad light but in this current environment hours and jobs like this are hard so im sure they needed the money and felt you could handle the bill. Im glad I turn my own wrenches is all I can say. I own a modified MKIV and they are great cars but a learned experience owning and working on them. Congrats on your Tesla.
Don't worry Mr. Jason, this was a new experience for you. I believe you will have much better understanding and clarity on your future builds. Good luck with the new car! :)
Had a 85 GTI loved it
You need to run an oil cooler, better oil, and change it every 2000 miles, if you run a strong Pressure Plate, or this will happen with any manual that has thrust washers to center the crank. The pressure plate pulls too hard on the crank and eats the thrust washers, and then the caps. A fully built engine will NOT solve this problem, ask me how i know. You also need to keep an eye on your end play. You can do a visual inspection by pulling the pan, or you can hit the crank bolt in with a rubber mallet, and then the pry on the crank pulley with a screw driver between the pulley and the block to checkl for any movement. Replacing a trust washer is quick and cheap, but throwing away a fully built engine sucks big time.
Same thing that happen to my Gti mk5 Gti is an iconic car but once that check engine lights on it’s on for ever
everyone is ripping you off man!!!! you are way too nice!
Great story.
These things happen in life.
Popped my motor on my golf R and got a new motor wth 60 miles on it for 6 grand wth install
Had my MK6 from 2014 to 2018 and it was a fantastic car and now I have a MK7 because I couldn't resist the itch. The MK7 is notoriously more reliable with people making it to 150k before doing a carbon cleaning and having engines that look about as bad as a MK6 at 50-70k.
There's more supporting mods if you wanted to go stage 2 and Humble Mechanic has a great video showing just how much you should expect to spend for stage 2 if you want to do it properly.
Any performance car is going to have risks especially if you drive it hard. I know people with WRX's who had to rebuild their engines within 120k miles and then there are people claiming they got above 150k with normal maintenance.
PS. I got to 115k on my MK6 driving it as a delivery driver with one summer averaging 19mpg because I was running performance tires and I was treating my deliveries like time trials...was fun as hell. Eventually I needed to do the timing chain and I had a small leak so maybe a head gasket and I toyed with the idea of doing that or trading it in and that's when I found the MK7 that I have now.
PSS. Yeah I was gonna guess crank walk it's a known issue.
Thanks for sharing this story. Sucks, on the bright side it created some good content and a good video series with the GTI. Keep the videos coming, really enjoy these.
In Business- Anytime a quote is given- that's the Cost. If owner says they're going to do some extra Stuff unless they provide an outline of additional cost then that cost is on them.... they can't come back after job is done with $5k plus added cost....
5k more than what you where expecting is massive. What exactly did that 5k came from?
Neat but Gingerman is in Michigan haha. Can't wait to get my MK7 and take it to Chicago Auto Pros.
Unfortunate. I've got nearly the same exact mods as you. Stage 2, beefier clutch (though not max beefiness), etc. However, I did a mod that allows the car to be started without having to press in the clutch. That's possibly supposed to spare the thrust bearings from the majority of abuse that comes with a cold start.
I've had that setup for 20k miles and am at 60k total. So far so good.
What is that mod you did call?
Am about to get a Mark 7and already nervous if I'm making the right decision
How is it not possible to rebuild the stock block? It is cast iron so should just be able to hone/bore the cylinder walls and be fine to go.
I would have gone crazy on that bill but that’s just me. I’ve got a 2019 manual gti rabbit edition I got new with a little over 23k on the clock. It’s been IE stage 1 since I got it, and at 20k I put a south bend stage 2 in it, CTS catted downpipe, and IE’s stage 2 high torque file. Still doing flawless. Knock on wood it stays this way lol
Fun vid. But ouuuch! 😉
I have given up on so called "specialist" becoz of lack of transparency. Now resigned to Dealership stock.
Its a grey area but i would lean more towards pointing the finger at the shop. If they say they will do 'extras' that previously wasnt scoped, they need to at least highlight the additional cost that is attached.
I was taught old school: if they don’t tell you what they’re doing and attempt to charge you, you pay what you were quoted and that was legal. Of course... it could have been my teacher ranting but the lesson stood. I’ve gotten free work done too.
Geez that’s a steep price. I got a used oem engine on my MK7 GTI for about $3,700 (including labor, engine, and a 6 month warranty).
why did you get another engine?
He should of been very clear on what the price would be and you should of had to sign off on it
Whats up lil bobblehead 🤤
Good ole ea888 crank walk. After market clutch will definitely cause that. That’s why all my vw are dsg transmissions
Probably a bit of miscommunication on both Sides. It happens. Live and learn move on. Honestly if you want a toy car buy something with readily available parts and cheaper to fix. Ran into what you have with my Porsche 944S. Bonus for me though is Zi can do all the work.
Next fun car. Ask lots and lots of questions of who ever you work with. Have a plan with them and any changes need to be signed off on!
Didn’t know the gti had this issue, interesting. Flyin Miata even sold a clutch switch to take load off the thrust bearing on starts (no oil pressure) since this was a weak point.
You had given them the go ahead to rebuild the original engine. When they put the time in to strip the engine and determined that the block was damaged beyond repair you had decided to go with plan B and install a used engine. You being a mechanic know that they still have to get paid (labor) for the tear down of the shot engine. So yes the they were in the right for charging you more than what you expected. Now with that said the final bill should have been no more than $10,000 give or take a few hundred. They takeaway is a simple one - don’t fuck with the car. Keep things OEM. If you wanted a high performance you should have gotten the R.
*ears perk up* Classic Muscle Car? Chevelle, Dart, Duster, Camaro, Firebird were all great in their own right. However, the most mod friendly car out there with the biggest reward is hands down also the most feared car out there. Buick Grand National GNX. A little on the pricey side, compared to the base Grand National. Perhaps do a build not very common, like a 1966 GTO with a modern powerplant. Say a LS7 with 505hp. Wheeeee! Or, ya know, you could do a Syclone or Typhoon build, maybe a fox body, or even a C10. Lots and lots of options from back in the day.
He should've explained to you the updated version of the bill. You have authorize any changes or updates even if "making it better"
Sorry for your bad experience. Two things come to mind. 1. Let the buyer be aware. 2. K.I.S.S. “Keep it simple stupid “. Learned that in the military. Do you think modding the car was the root cause of the problems ? Or is it possible that the engine was faulty to begin with ? After all you did buy it used, and you just never know what it’s been through. Hope you enjoy your new electric vehicle, no more popping exhaust ! Thanks, RickGTI
Euro tuning life. This is why I sold my Audi, not to mention the “Audi tax” when getting VW parts lul also the hesitation was probably your turbo could be the turbine bearing
Sorry but you got taken for a ride...you should check out DAP and Humble Mechanic if you don't already know them because when they do something special for someone it's not tacking on an extra 5,000. There are multiple videos where they either cut the cost down drastically or they did it for free in the case of the Chevy S10 (he is a VW tech by the way).
Gotta upgrade engine internals when you add power. Black Forest Industries have some killer engine internal components. Sorry you had a bad experience. I have a Mk5 that I've had plenty of gremlins with 😅
I sold my '17 Sport last Aug. It was APR stg2, and i loved it. I was ready to go is38 or hybrid version, and be done. However with emission laws, and the fact that stg2 ALONE has a high fail emissions rate, i was done. Sold it for cash, and proceeds went to a s14 with 2jz build. The car is 26 yrs old and smog exempt. For daily, I bought a '16 MDX. What I'm saying is i'm done with OBD-II project cars, and with emissions laws getting worse, its ONLY a matter of time before OBD-II tuners start working exclusively with manufactures, more to survive this inevitability. I know this prolly has NOTHING to do with the vid
Jason, I have a low mile '08 CL600. Everything is thousands of dollars. This is what happens when you have special cars like your GTI. They cost a lot of money. How about $2500 for a radiator and $4000 for a coil pack.
Thanks for sharing your story in an honest light. I picked up a MK7 6MT (also with about 30K miles), after a higher mileage Subaru Forester XT had a catastrophic failure. I've been loving the car so far, and was thinking about going with a Stage-1 tune, but now I'm thinking it may make sense to just keep it stock. Do you know if these failures tend to happen with unmodded cars, or is it generally once you start tuning?
Mostly modded. Outside of specs and design parameters.
Sounds like my “worst case” labour estimate I received last year of 4k. Turned out to be even worse than worse case at 5.5k !! We all get got at least one hey.
Great video . shame about the cross wires between you and Zak, over here in England ,when i take my car into the garage i always get an upfront price for the work. If any extras are needed my mechanic phones me first to discuss the options. That is the way i work , i have been using the same garage for 20 years . Love the channel the detailing is awesome
I work at a Audi dealer at the service department and all prices that the customer agrees are follow by a pepper estimate and a signature if there’s not signature the customer is not liable. No hidden charges.
That shop did you wrong, good thing you’re exposing them.
This is why I love my BRZ. Cheap, reliable even with full bolt ons. Easy af to work on and do my own maintenance.
So is the GTI, what happened here is a fluke, but you pay to play and when you start doing mods you take risks on any car when you mod it, especially doing ECU re tune's on Turbo Cars. What mods have you done to your BRZ to add 70 hp to? Probably nothing like that. That's why you have no problems. Keep in mind many people mod their GTI's and don't have this issue. How many STi's have blown motors when tuned? Think of it that way.
@@eppyz what you say here is true but modding a factory turbo car imo you have increased chances of things possibly blowing up vs an NA motor. Either way you have to pay to play.
@@DirtMagert97 Exactly, but your comparing your BRZ here to the GTI or at least referencing your car, you can't compare the reliability of normally aspirated car to one that has forced induction. That is why I used the STi as an example to compare to the GTI. Once you go forced induction though? Very hard to turn back that is for sure. 😎
I wanted to tell you go DSG but i waited to the end .
Feel like they kind of pulled your leg on that part assuming you where okay with the 13k build price and then saying yeah well do something extra with this stock motor to bring that price closer to that 13k original build price . Knowing you wanted to sell the car should have left it 100% used motor put it in for that 5-7k budget and left it be
If someone says I’m gonna do some “extra” stuff, extra being the key word here. Not to mention the exchange of RUclips video helping hand, that is some bull shit. Not to mention if he didn’t tell you how that stuff would effect your bill?!? Just ridiculous, you 100% right, and I would have been pissed 😤
Ps. Save the manuals
This is why befoore you get any work done you get a written quote, if they will not provide that they are not professionnals.
finally been waiting for this !
This is prettymuch why you just are better off paying a premium and getting the car you REALLY want in OEM fashioned even though it may mean a higher payment or initial cost. Giving up your time is what most don't measure when it comes to car modifications. I say bite the bullet and get the car you REALLY want rather than going heavy mods on one that will have a higher risk factor if it fails. Typically, or atleast in years past it used to be that japanese brands could take more abuse when it comes to being heavily modified. Best way is to get on forums and really research outcomes for prospective vehicles that you're considering and look at key failure points and then decide if the platform is worth modifying or not. Personally if it were me, going with any German brand vehicle, I'd just get the expensive version, LEASE it, run the piss out of it, then RUN away after 36 months.
Thanks for this info , I’m thinking about getting a 2018 R. Awesome content.
when they said they'll do something "extra for you" it immediately made me think of the extra $$$.
Could have almost bought a new Type R for what the VW cost.
Moral of the story, buy the Golf R or any other higher performance variant offered if you will be modding lol
@@antondushenko639 Or do some research, there are numerous forum posts about this very issue on the manual GTis. This problem does not happen or if it does, it's far more rare on the DSG, as the DSG does not thrust load the crank at all.
Type R only has an edge when it comes to engine rest interior and exterior both feels and look cheap.
What is listed in the final bill to account for the additional costs? That should be broken down in detail. Heck for 5k extra that easily would have covered a IS38 and supporting bits since you already had a DP.
Gingerman Raceway is in Michigan.