I think in a case like this you’d be looking at poor effort. Combine drills aren’t secret and everybody trains for them, the fact that he clearly didn’t or didn’t care says something. He just happened to be talented enough to make it work
@@JulianL0pez or he had a plan. Some players know that it's better to go to a better team in a better situation and set yourself up for that big 2nd contract.
Seriously agree with you bro. Fuck the combine fr. It adds so little value in predicting anything you can truly count on. Injuries erode all that combine stuff anyway.
Well, tbf it doesn’t take crazy combine numbers to play his position right. A lot more intangibles and cerebral qualities. Also brady is a tall dude so he’s good there
The most overrated QB ever by a mile due to great team success. QBs don't own the team's wins. And anyway, a pocket passer is not really gonna be judged on their combine numbers.
@@isaiahayers1550 What..."due to great team success"? Well yeah, but the thing is... *Brady was the biggest part of all that "team success".* It wouldn't have happened without him. Look at his numbers and records and look at the rings he's won. I don't like the guy either but to call him overrated shows a lot of ignorance and jealousy by you. But to call him "the most overrated QB ever by a mile" shows that you are "the biggest buffoon to ever comment on RUclips _by a mile"._ 🤭
I’m pretty new to football but it seems like combine really is tailored to show off the skill players rather than this dude like you say. Surely teams should be judging players on their actual game performances and seasons at college rather than a 1 off sprint and 1 off jump under extreme scrutiny.
Any OU fan knew that Brown was arguably the best tackle in college football. How he fell to the 3rd round still baffles me. The ravens got an absolute steal there.
@@IiIsasquatch He was always going home to wreck it? He was a member of the most prolific rushing attack in NFL history then demanded a trade to go from top RT to an average LT. He could have earned his contract at LT if he stayed but didn't have the patience. LoL @ "HOME"
Honestly, it feels like the lions got a couple of those later picks/undrafted guys right. Sure up the defense and this team may just win the division. Wild times we're in.
I tell my son that he's gonna be a big boy not too fast but he's strong very strong I always say your footwork will get you there technique is key is working on it till this day I'm proud of him. Fingers crossed he will make it pro.
No he didn’t. AAV is just over $16 million. That’s not even current top 20. He got the largest signing bonus ever for a lineman but that’s nothing but smoke and mirrors to lower the cap hit.
Coming from a chiefs fan he will be exposed this year his stats were mainly due to Mahomes scramble burrow is more of a pocket QB he is gonna get hit a few more times next year mark my words
@@therealmaxino9081 He’ll be fine and so will they’re entire oline. I watched alot of bengals games and Burrow was holding on to the ball longer than the should have in the beginning of the season which resulted in sacks that were kind of on him. Towards the end of the szn they ran a lot of 5 wide so he can see the field better and get the ball out quicker. Bengals def gonna be dangerous.
I mean, it kinda does. If you’ve got a player that is talented but isn’t putting in the time in off the field to train and get better physically then what does that say about their heart, determination, and work ethic?
I listen to draft shows all of the time, Cowboys Draft podcast literally had arguments over Brown. Bryan Broaddus constantly said this over and over, tape over combine any day of the week. And said he should have been drafted by the Cowboys, welp this is why year after year the Ravens draft amazing players and are constantly the best in the NFL.
@@traivendunbar9917 hahah imagine that, a Cowboy fan, that has some common sense analysis, and admits when he’s envious of another team. Seriously look at who the Ravens draft every year, Patrick Queen, Basham, and others just saying for a team consistently picking near the end of the draft they hit pretty well on their picks.
Look at Malik Willis. Dude was a mediocre quarterback prospect in the upcoming draft and now he might go top 10 because of his draft combine. Not saying he has no chance of being good, but why nfl teams are completely ok with ignoring all film just because a player had a good combine makes no sense. We have seen so many quarterbacks with strong arms be horrible nfl players. Malik Willis has a good chance of becoming one of those players.
You can literally train and be the best at what you do ! But everyone has a bad day and I couldn’t imagine the pressure he had on himself especially being projected to be 1st rounder that definitely got to him in the draft but I’m glad to see he’s balling out now and doing good
I never expect my left tackle to run 40 yards, I don’t need him to be a Bench press champion @ he won’t ever be doing agility drills. So for offensive lineman most all of the combine is useless!💯🤯
This just showed he had poor guidance or lack of work ethic in some people's minds. He just showed up because no way he prepared for the combine and put those numbers up. He lost millions he will never get back as a result of not putting in the work to be presentable (not good) but presentable to NFL talent evaluators. Who wants to draft someone who is the worst at multiple drills when he easily could have done better of he tried. Glad he stepped up and he could have just been going through a hard time or not had an agent yet for some reason
@@yerrrrrrrr4567 Neither one of those things have much to do with precision or timing and size is by far the most important part of being a lineman. There's a reason guys as massive as NFL linemen aren't found in many sports outside of football and the few that are are also in sports that don't require a ton of things like timing and precision like powerlifting and Strongman.
When Jimmy Johnson was told by his scouts that Zack Thomas was only 5-11 and too short he said I don’t know but every time I turn on the tape he is the guy making all the tackles. Rest is history
Dunno. We remember the ones where Game Tape was Right...but not the ones where Combine was Right. Mike Williams on Game Tape at USC? Great. Amazing. Mike Williams at the Combine? Bad. Very bad. Mike Williams on the Lions? Bad. It can let some slip, but also expose the ones that just dominated smaller players or lesser competition they won't find in the NFL.
And game knowledge. Some of the best just understand and can get in position to.make plays. Greatest linebacker taylor was always waiting for the runner, and knew how to blow linemen up to get sacks
Combine doesn’t measure heart. You can have natural athletics and/or talent but an under dog with heart is priceless on the right team. Nothing is absolute.
Gimme the guy who gives it his all on every play, regardless of how he does in the combine. Heart, passion, work ethic and determination are not measured there.
Brown is an extremely savvy guy. His father laid the ground work for him. He tanked the hell out of that combine and got on the same team as the old man. He is now in contract negotiations with kc, without an agent. This guy knows what he is doing.
Yup. Played in highschool with a guy who was an amazing QB. We were a small school in WV. So scouts don't pay attention to us. Which is surprising. WV is just a miniature Texas. We got them big farm boys too.
Terrell Davis, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Orlando Brown Jr, Joe Montana and a host of others prove the combine is a joke. It's really just for guys desperate to get noticed for something.
i believe its more about what system a player gets put in as well. ive seen great players get drafted by a shit coach with a crap system as well as guys with good skills get put in a system and become extraordinary.
It's not a joke at all. You get 255ish guys picked for a career that lasts 2-3 years on average and then you get a couple hundred more undrafted free agents looking to make it. There isn't that many late round/undrafted hall of famers...There really isn't that many all pros or pro bowlers. Also take into account how many of the same franchises are good or better constantly and never really fall off for decades at a time. Some teams scout great for the type of team they want to build. They even cut guys or trade guys because they know they can get production cheaper/longer in the draft. It's not a joke, everyone just thinks they know better. You get to pick 255 guys, the front office/coaching staff gets 7....
Zach seems like he's not the average white kid though, he seems very mobile, and he seems a lot more athletic than someone such as myself with average ass tall white boy genetics.
When Orlando was getting so much bad press, especially when his weight lifting wasn't "up to par", it was his QB from OU who took up for him. When asked about him by the media, Baker Mayfield said he didn't know what happened at the Combine, but every team should be trying to get him as those results didn't accurately portray his skills. He then said when pressed, "Well, Orlando protected me and never let anyone get through". That meant a lot from the #1 pick of the draft that year. This is why teammates loved Baker. Unless you are a prima donna who hurts the team, he always has his teammate's back. Orlando didn't perform as well at the Combine, but I agree Orlando is great, wish he & Baker would be reunited on a team. I think he was at OU at the Heisman statue unveiling on campus last weekend. There were over 75k people at the spring game & ceremony! LOVE ORLANDO! BOOMER SOONER! 🏈😊
You can improve a player's strength, speed and stamina relatively easily. Improving their skill levels, game IQ and ability to perform under pressure is much, much harder
Combine ain't nothing. We done seen it time and time again. It's all in the heart what you wanna be.And especially if you set goals for yourself to be the best.
@@jermainenowels9511 Poor agility scores certainly didn’t help, but ultimately it was character flags and health concerns that had him drop to the end of the 2nd round. In his case the poor agility showed up in his NFL and college tape, although his strength was always being a vertical threat due to his speed and explosiveness. For the physical strengths he has, the performance has been somewhat underwhelming for him (I’ll also note his Year 1 and 2 production has been excellent, it’s the 3rd year that’s been underwhelming).
We've all played football and we've all seen people be judged on there Performances that do not taken to account the mental and physical attitude of the player which is extremely important in football
I personally see alot of the combine as useless. If you want to measure a player's speed have them run 100m. Want to measure theur stregth, make them bench 80% body weight for max reps instead of everyone doing 225
The combine being used as a ladder’s step to get into the NFL is literally equivalent to how bull shit the standardized tests are for getting into college.
OUTSTANDING to see a kid who had a bad day at The Combine continue to train and practice with his new team, fulfilling the faith the team had in him when they Drafted him. Because other people’s judgment of your abilities doesn’t mean shi*!!!
The combine is part of the reason why players get overlooked and some players get big contracts that they should never have received and become busts. You can't measure a player based off of how high they can jump or how fast they can run. You can only judge them based on how they actually play and how much heart and determination they bring. Perfect examples is Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf
What are you talking about bro of course how fast you run and how high you jump matters in football. Imagine if Tom Brady’s job was to tackle Saquon Barkley? Do you understand now you can’t single out one position
@@TYLERORTIZ2021 do you realize how many good people get overlooked cuz they didnt have a good showing at the combine and their draft stock plummeted? So now they have to ride the bench and waste talent? Or how many did good but were busts because they could run and jump but didnt transition from college to become nfl starts because they didnt have "it". The combine needs to be restructured and reworked..... only my opinion tho
Players should get evaluated primarily by game tape and then intangibles such as leadership, hard work etc., and then combine performance last. Combines have been proven numerous times to be completely overrated. I don't care how fast a guy is in a workout show me how he uses his speed in a game to contribute to the team. 70% game tape 20% intangibles 10% combine workout
@@Cookiesrfood bro what if they already value it at that. You’re projecting rn because I think the combine is already only taken at about 10% scouting. Maybe spend less time online and you’ll realize
Could’ve just been a bad day where he wasn’t feeling 100%. If I was a GM or Head Coach of an NFL team in desperate need to improve its O-line, and the guy was originally projected to be a first round draft pick based on what he did game after game after game on the field in college and his college stats for an OL were top notch, I would not overly concern myself with the kid having one bad day doing exercise drills. 14 reps for an OL isn’t considered good at the Combine, but it’s not like the kid was being projected as a low draft pick (like 5th or 6th round). I would prioritize all that video footage I saw of him in multiple, high-caliber college games against the best competition in the country versus one day doing random exercise drills.
Bench press reps for guys with long arms mean nothing. The bench press is the single most overrated exercise on the planet, something for meat heads with their stubby little arms to brag about in the gym, has nothing to do with NFL ability.
Is it though? If you feel like you have a coachable player, you have a belief in your system and ability to coach that player up, it's not hard at all to see dreaming big on insane physical traits. Same can be seen in reverse when a mass of goo is woefully unathletic with tiddies flopping faster than his feet... 🤷♂️
The Combine is a decent test to see how players can react under pressure in person, but definitely not a test to see how well a person will adjust to pro ball from college ball or how good they will be in the future.
I had a 4.71 40 as a RB and no one could fn touch me. I was well rounded in agility, elusiveness, shifting, and my center of gravity was insane. In fact, being a little slower helped me stop on the dime and allow fast running g defenders to pass me up every time.
No. What you witnessed was a guy who was confident to know he was an asset to a team and chose not to take a chance on hurting himself before he was even drafted. Showed ppl he wasn’t too good then became a top Tackle once he was drafted. These guys are taking more notice of how meaningless the combine is and are not trying to “show off” for a spectacle.
This is case by case. For guys with top production or tape, it can cause a decrease in stock, but not break them. Some individuals from small schools or less impressive statistics it is an absolute game changer. Exhibit: Christine Michael to the Seahawks as a 2nd rounder when he barely produced in college.
Or Travon Walker going from a mid to late first rounder to being mocked as the #1 Pick simply because of his insane combine while having lackluster production and an unrefined set of pass rush moves
@@imaxix7779 Teams are desperate for game wrecking DEs so sometimes they will take a project with freak traits in the hopes they can mold them into a star. Sometimes it doesn’t work, sometimes it’s a home run
@@aidanweston1286 I would agree for most drafts, but taking Walker above Thibadeux and Hutchinson seems insane because both of these are crazy athletic as well, have already had great college level production and have shown great pass rush moves. Mean while Walker was relegated to being a run defender/holding the edge and rarely even pass rushed. Also he played in probably the single greatest front 7 in college history mean while Hutch and Thib were usely scheemed against and sometimes double timed in pass pro.
He didn’t want to play for the bottomed feeders. He managed to get on a competitive team and allow his skills do the talking to eventually get him paid. Simply a brilliant risk.
I don't think a person would purposely Tank their Draft stock out of the first round to play on a good team. If you're good you're gonna eventually get a pay day regardless, and being selected in the first round just raises the amount of money you'll make in your career.
Its crazy how much the combine can affect draft stock. Look at 2024 Payton Wilson ran 40 yd dash in 4.3, crazy vertical leap and super amount of bench press reps. Due to his past injuries seems it may repeat in the future but his combine high turn out is putting him drad in the 1st round of the fraft when actually hes a high 2nd round pick due to his past injuries.
It’s the exact same thing but different context when looking at other drafts when discussing other players and not the ones who have the most impact and the best player on their roster is the one who has the most influence
Tom Brady had one of the worst quarterback combines at the time and was picked in the 6th round with the 100th overall pick as a backup but after the Patriots starting qb got injured and had to retire Tom came in and is now known as the best football qb or player to play in the nfl (Edit: Brady was actually picked with the 199th overall pick and also the guy that was the starting qb for the patriots before Tom Brady came in didn’t retire.)
On average their performance there predics how good of a player they're going to be, so it's good business practice to just go for the good numbers, instead of rolling the dices in the lower end of the spectrum
I’m not sure why you guys keep pointing to Tom Brady… Tom Brady was not considered a top draft pick before he got to the combine so the combine actually had very little effect on where his draft status ended up…
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I think Shannon sharpe said it best, “combine stats should be used in addition to film, not as it’s own reason”
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@@jetmoor1983 thanks mate
@@GenevaSuggestionss No problem
I think in a case like this you’d be looking at poor effort. Combine drills aren’t secret and everybody trains for them, the fact that he clearly didn’t or didn’t care says something. He just happened to be talented enough to make it work
@@JulianL0pez or he had a plan. Some players know that it's better to go to a better team in a better situation and set yourself up for that big 2nd contract.
Now he’s a 4 time pro bowler with a SB ring and a huge contract 😂
Gosh just think about how many possible good players lost out because of a stupid combine performance
@@anthonytaylor7928Good point
@anthonytaylor7928 yeah and the dudes in college that put up really good numbers and still can't get drafted in the 7th fucked up
And he just got a massive contract this morning. Fuck the combine bro
Seriously agree with you bro. Fuck the combine fr. It adds so little value in predicting anything you can truly count on. Injuries erode all that combine stuff anyway.
Not as massive than if he just stuck with the cheifs last offseason
he turned down 120million➕️ from the chiefs. Cincinnati gave him 4/64mill😲should have fired his agent.
@@dark8prince201 big facts
Yea I'm from Cincinnati we so glad to have him
Combine can't measure a man's heart and will.
Words that mean absolutely nothing.
@@tylermartin7245let me simplify for you: the nfl combine does not measure a players determination to be great
@@tylermartin7245🤡🤡🤓🤓 go watch soccer doofua
Some fighters aren’t in the best shape but they still kick ass. Some athletes aren’t the most athletic but they still make plays.
Or more likely... his skill and ability to process the game and his assignments lol
Hell yeah 7 rings later Brady still saying “What does this have to do with throwing the ball?”
😂
Well he’s been carried his whole career and cheated dozens of times
@@kingfishcakes69 no way you’re this dense in the head
Dude needs to retire and let some other people win 🤣
@@kingfishcakes69 ???
Tom Brady says: “not much”
Brady !!!!!!!
Well, tbf it doesn’t take crazy combine numbers to play his position right. A lot more intangibles and cerebral qualities. Also brady is a tall dude so he’s good there
The most overrated QB ever by a mile due to great team success. QBs don't own the team's wins. And anyway, a pocket passer is not really gonna be judged on their combine numbers.
Nuff said!
@@isaiahayers1550
What..."due to great team success"? Well yeah, but the thing is... *Brady was the biggest part of all that "team success".* It wouldn't have happened without him. Look at his numbers and records and look at the rings he's won.
I don't like the guy either but to call him overrated shows a lot of ignorance and jealousy by you. But to call him "the most overrated QB ever by a mile" shows that you are "the biggest buffoon to ever comment on RUclips _by a mile"._ 🤭
Lolol. Imagine judging an offensive lineman on his 40 yard dash and vertical leap.
Ikr
I’m pretty new to football but it seems like combine really is tailored to show off the skill players rather than this dude like you say.
Surely teams should be judging players on their actual game performances and seasons at college rather than a 1 off sprint and 1 off jump under extreme scrutiny.
@user-em1ig7xo9d it's a money grab. Televise it and you get advertisers. People know the vast majority is pointless beyond entertainment.
Now he's a four-time pro bowler and a Super bowl champion
“I’ll start worrying about the 40 yard dash when the QB starts lining up 40 yards behind the line”
That's funny but very true...
I almost spit my food out
That's hilarious and true
Great comment
@@jayswah5822 it wasn’t that funny bro
John Ross 4.22 40… where is he now? Rest my case
@@badass9643 he's on the Chiefs about to break out this season
Any OU fan knew that Brown was arguably the best tackle in college football. How he fell to the 3rd round still baffles me. The ravens got an absolute steal there.
He did it on purpose
Did u just watch this whole 60 second video and still say it baffles you?
Guys tits were flapping in the wind as he ran an 11 second 40.
It’s not a steal. He tanked the combine. He was always going home to play for bmore
Bad combine cost him ALOT. Had to wait for the second contract to get the payday he always deserved.
@@IiIsasquatch He was always going home to wreck it? He was a member of the most prolific rushing attack in NFL history then demanded a trade to go from top RT to an average LT. He could have earned his contract at LT if he stayed but didn't have the patience. LoL @ "HOME"
Goes to show that the combine means nothing. Dudes a champion now
so is the punter
I mean...Adam Morrison is one of the biggest busts in NBA history as a 3rd Overall Pick. He's also a Two Time NBA Champion.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 I’m sorry did I comment on an NBA video? 😂😂😂 apples to oranges bro 😂
He got carried to a ring. Stop your sheep takes
Hahaha he’s an absolute bum I went to elementary school with him , he is a rich kid that has no skill whatsoever
The combine tests almost no offensive lineman skills sets.
I like the lions head coaches approach to the draft. “I watch their tape, I don’t care what they can do in pajamas 😂”
Perfectly said !
Well we can only hope that coach turns the lions around because I'm tired of being around my miserable boss😂
Honestly, it feels like the lions got a couple of those later picks/undrafted guys right. Sure up the defense and this team may just win the division. Wild times we're in.
facts
👍 ...plus who they're doin it against
Remember young linemen out there you can be slow just make sure you have feet that move like a ballerina. Quick feet and balance will take you places.
Thanks for the advice
I tell my son that he's gonna be a big boy not too fast but he's strong very strong I always say your footwork will get you there technique is key is working on it till this day I'm proud of him. Fingers crossed he will make it pro.
Who do you play for?
Good advice. Little steps are essential to get in good positions
Definitely balance
Hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
Just signed biggest contract for a lineman😭
No he didn’t. AAV is just over $16 million. That’s not even current top 20. He got the largest signing bonus ever for a lineman but that’s nothing but smoke and mirrors to lower the cap hit.
@@ryanscholl5450 yeah not sure where he got that from in fact KC offered him more LAST season. He took less to play with Burrow 🤷🏿♂️
@Cozyboy Reacts he took less because he bet on himself and lost 😂😂
Coming from a chiefs fan he will be exposed this year his stats were mainly due to Mahomes scramble burrow is more of a pocket QB he is gonna get hit a few more times next year mark my words
@@therealmaxino9081 He’ll be fine and so will they’re entire oline. I watched alot of bengals games and Burrow was holding on to the ball longer than the should have in the beginning of the season which resulted in sacks that were kind of on him. Towards the end of the szn they ran a lot of 5 wide so he can see the field better and get the ball out quicker. Bengals def gonna be dangerous.
He lowered his stock to land with the team he wanted to go to
Nobody in their right mind would wanna go to the Ravens, gtfoh 😂😂😂
@@GandalfTheStraight bro what ravens are a great team u smoking crack💀
@@godlyxnns they missed the playoffs this past season...
@@GandalfTheStraight better than Cleveland missing 21 playoffs in 23 seasons.
@@someperson8151 yeah well Bengals and Browns are starting to heat up, looks like the Ravens are gonna go downhill
Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40 yard dash at the combine. Then proceeded to be a legend.
Hell no, 4.4
@@kozmeetorez no, it was a 4.71
@@kozmeetorez yeah, no. Rice was more quick than fast. In Madden 15, his speed rating is an 85. It wouldn't be that low if he ran a 4.4😅
@@kboi8667 hasise dubois needs to get his chance
Yeah the combine also showed zach wilson being a great qb 😂
Intangibles are immeasurable
The combine cannot measure HEART, DETERMINATION, and WORK ETHIC!🤔
Facts
I mean, it kinda does. If you’ve got a player that is talented but isn’t putting in the time in off the field to train and get better physically then what does that say about their heart, determination, and work ethic?
@@MKucheran some people arent that athletic but still great at their job
Like this guy for example
And that’s what it takes to win championships!
Jamarcus Russell should remind ppl of that
"That kinda gets me fired up cuz it's like, ya know, the hell these people know?"
Tom Brady
🙏🏿
Love it they never learned
He’s still hated with his winning record
Now he’s the highest paid OL 🤷🏾♂️
I wouldn’t want him on my track and field team, that’s for sure. But on my OL, he’s a mountain.
Gay.
He also has it in his blood. His dad was a great tackle
Thats why the ravens took him!
Zeus !
I listen to draft shows all of the time, Cowboys Draft podcast literally had arguments over Brown. Bryan Broaddus constantly said this over and over, tape over combine any day of the week. And said he should have been drafted by the Cowboys, welp this is why year after year the Ravens draft amazing players and are constantly the best in the NFL.
Best in the nfl???
your definitely not a biased raven fan
@@traivendunbar9917 hahah imagine that, a Cowboy fan, that has some common sense analysis, and admits when he’s envious of another team. Seriously look at who the Ravens draft every year, Patrick Queen, Basham, and others just saying for a team consistently picking near the end of the draft they hit pretty well on their picks.
@@worldtsunami9142 that guy isn’t a cowboys fan, and also if they are the best in the NFL, how come they haven’t made the super bowl yet with Lamar?
Look at Malik Willis. Dude was a mediocre quarterback prospect in the upcoming draft and now he might go top 10 because of his draft combine. Not saying he has no chance of being good, but why nfl teams are completely ok with ignoring all film just because a player had a good combine makes no sense. We have seen so many quarterbacks with strong arms be horrible nfl players. Malik Willis has a good chance of becoming one of those players.
You can literally train and be the best at what you do ! But everyone has a bad day and I couldn’t imagine the pressure he had on himself especially being projected to be 1st rounder that definitely got to him in the draft but I’m glad to see he’s balling out now and doing good
I never expect my left tackle to run 40 yards, I don’t need him to be a Bench press champion @ he won’t ever be doing agility drills. So for offensive lineman most all of the combine is useless!💯🤯
drills, needs to be catered to each position...not a standard...
Facts
@@donnie9001
Even more facts
This just showed he had poor guidance or lack of work ethic in some people's minds. He just showed up because no way he prepared for the combine and put those numbers up. He lost millions he will never get back as a result of not putting in the work to be presentable (not good) but presentable to NFL talent evaluators. Who wants to draft someone who is the worst at multiple drills when he easily could have done better of he tried. Glad he stepped up and he could have just been going through a hard time or not had an agent yet for some reason
Yeah a measurement of speed, strength and agility is useless for lineman 🙄
"Timing beats speed, precision beats power."
Conor's quote may be true if you're playing a skill position, but not if you're a lineman.
@@j.menapace625timing and precision is VERY true as a lineman. freak athletes with bad footwork and hand placement dont get very far
@@yerrrrrrrr4567 Neither one of those things have much to do with precision or timing and size is by far the most important part of being a lineman. There's a reason guys as massive as NFL linemen aren't found in many sports outside of football and the few that are are also in sports that don't require a ton of things like timing and precision like powerlifting and Strongman.
Skill beats all
Dude got paid today
nah I loved this dude coming out of college, pops was a stud. RIP
All that matters is the game tape. It never lies.
When Jimmy Johnson was told by his scouts that Zack Thomas was only 5-11 and too short he said I don’t know but every time I turn on the tape he is the guy making all the tackles. Rest is history
Dunno. We remember the ones where Game Tape was Right...but not the ones where Combine was Right. Mike Williams on Game Tape at USC? Great. Amazing. Mike Williams at the Combine? Bad. Very bad. Mike Williams on the Lions? Bad. It can let some slip, but also expose the ones that just dominated smaller players or lesser competition they won't find in the NFL.
Most NFL Bust looks Amazing on Game Tape...but you noticed their flaws in the Combine.
Can’t judge a player by his combine performance it’s the heart and passion he plays with
And game knowledge. Some of the best just understand and can get in position to.make plays. Greatest linebacker taylor was always waiting for the runner, and knew how to blow linemen up to get sacks
Cough Cough Zach Wilson 😂
@@countlessworld620 and Anthony Richardson this year
@@Playlistofshi 😂
No fam, its the technique.
Combine doesn’t measure heart. You can have natural athletics and/or talent but an under dog with heart is priceless on the right team. Nothing is absolute.
Everyone can have their bad days just like everyone has their good days.
“I hate drills but u don’t wanna step in the field with me”
💀 that guy spoke for us
Gimme the guy who gives it his all on every play, regardless of how he does in the combine. Heart, passion, work ethic and determination are not measured there.
The combine is simply for show it's not a test of skill.
Dude just won the super bowl
Yea it’s easy when nobody defends you, the work comes on once the game starts
Literally
Exactly! There are mma fighters that will fuck you up in the gym and can’t buy a win in a real fight.
Sounds like he was trying to avoid being drafted by some teams and it just worked too well
Yeah he didn’t want those extra millions
That makes 0 sense
What Kevo said. 🤣
@@kevo6463 exactly
@@kevo6463 people just don’t think 😭😭
and now he’s on a 64 million dollar contract 😂😂😂
That's the question every GM and scout has to answer every year about every player.
Brown is an extremely savvy guy. His father laid the ground work for him. He tanked the hell out of that combine and got on the same team as the old man. He is now in contract negotiations with kc, without an agent. This guy knows what he is doing.
Combine is overrated but I have a hard time believing he tanked it. Where you get drafted affects how much your rookie contract is likely to be.
hes mid & KC let em walk LoL, cuz he's mid
Football scouting is a complete joke honestly some of the best players I’ve ever seen go completely unnoticed it’s all about hight and connections
Yup. Played in highschool with a guy who was an amazing QB. We were a small school in WV. So scouts don't pay attention to us. Which is surprising. WV is just a miniature Texas. We got them big farm boys too.
Arian Foster is a great example. Massive talent and he wasn’t even drafted.
Terrell Davis, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Orlando Brown Jr, Joe Montana and a host of others prove the combine is a joke. It's really just for guys desperate to get noticed for something.
i believe its more about what system a player gets put in as well. ive seen great players get drafted by a shit coach with a crap system as well as guys with good skills get put in a system and become extraordinary.
It's not a joke at all. You get 255ish guys picked for a career that lasts 2-3 years on average and then you get a couple hundred more undrafted free agents looking to make it.
There isn't that many late round/undrafted hall of famers...There really isn't that many all pros or pro bowlers.
Also take into account how many of the same franchises are good or better constantly and never really fall off for decades at a time. Some teams scout great for the type of team they want to build. They even cut guys or trade guys because they know they can get production cheaper/longer in the draft.
It's not a joke, everyone just thinks they know better. You get to pick 255 guys, the front office/coaching staff gets 7....
Zach Wilson and Tom Brady are proof it don’t matter for qb’ s at least🤣
Zach seems like he's not the average white kid though, he seems very mobile, and he seems a lot more athletic than someone such as myself with average ass tall white boy genetics.
shows how little the combine really matters when you're actually good
I think the combine is more of an indicator for how you handle media pressure and preparation more than anything else.
When Orlando was getting so much bad press, especially when his weight lifting wasn't "up to par", it was his QB from OU who took up for him. When asked about him by the media, Baker Mayfield said he didn't know what happened at the Combine, but every team should be trying to get him as those results didn't accurately portray his skills. He then said when pressed, "Well, Orlando protected me and never let anyone get through". That meant a lot from the #1 pick of the draft that year. This is why teammates loved Baker. Unless you are a prima donna who hurts the team, he always has his teammate's back.
Orlando didn't perform as well at the Combine, but I agree Orlando is great, wish he & Baker would be reunited on a team. I think he was at OU at the Heisman statue unveiling on campus last weekend. There were over 75k people at the spring game & ceremony!
LOVE ORLANDO!
BOOMER SOONER! 🏈😊
Baker sucks
bakers a bum
Orlando is great. I'm a Husker fan...still missing the annual rivalry. Hope Rhule will turn Nebraska around. Good luck next year, OU!
You can improve a player's strength, speed and stamina relatively easily. Improving their skill levels, game IQ and ability to perform under pressure is much, much harder
Combine ain't nothing. We done seen it time and time again. It's all in the heart what you wanna be.And especially if you set goals for yourself to be the best.
Same thing happened to DK Metcalf. “But he had a slow 3 cone drill!” Half the people watching at home don’t even know what the 3cone is 😂
Greetings from the UK, I was just about to cite DK , but you said it already . Go Hawks
Actually your wrong it was health concerns after surgery not 3 cone.
@@R56212 3 come was definitely one of the reasons
@@jermainenowels9511 Poor agility scores certainly didn’t help, but ultimately it was character flags and health concerns that had him drop to the end of the 2nd round. In his case the poor agility showed up in his NFL and college tape, although his strength was always being a vertical threat due to his speed and explosiveness. For the physical strengths he has, the performance has been somewhat underwhelming for him (I’ll also note his Year 1 and 2 production has been excellent, it’s the 3rd year that’s been underwhelming).
This one of the best shorts I’ve seen. 90 percent of long form videos about similar subject matter have less info and are annoying to watch
Yes this is truly a masterpiece of modern media! Bravo poster! You get a gold star!
We've all played football and we've all seen people be judged on there Performances that do not taken to account the mental and physical attitude of the player which is extremely important in football
I remember trying to learn that spin its timing and being able to trick the o lineman shits fire thank you freeney
I personally see alot of the combine as useless. If you want to measure a player's speed have them run 100m. Want to measure theur stregth, make them bench 80% body weight for max reps instead of everyone doing 225
Facts
So you don’t see the combine as useless, you see some of the drills as outdated
Bench is more so for endurance than strength
100m when do players get to do that on the field?
100m ??? When I’m football will u run 100m
Coughs in Tom Brady’s combine
Thinking same thing
Was looking for this comment
The combine being used as a ladder’s step to get into the NFL is literally equivalent to how bull shit the standardized tests are for getting into college.
As THE HALL OF FAME MARK MAYE SAYS. NO ONE SHOULD BE JUDGED BY HOW WELL THEY JUMP ON A BOX 🙄
OUTSTANDING to see a kid who had a bad day at The Combine continue to train and practice with his new team, fulfilling the faith the team had in him when they Drafted him. Because other people’s judgment of your abilities doesn’t mean shi*!!!
When you consider Brock Purdy is Mr. Irrelevant, all this shit doesn't mean anything. It's just bread and circus.
How about Tom Brady as the ultimate example instead.
Purdy had a decent combine though, ran a 4.81 and had a 27” vertical jump
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I would think that he'd be able to get at least 30 inches...
They always have a mr irrelevant to succeed Marques Colston of the saints was 7 round pick an we all kno how he touched the leaugue
@@MarioMartinez-tt9ly as well
Any time a player breaks the combine and there's a lot of buzz around them, they usually never pan out after being drafted
Often people who aren’t drafted in the first round turn out to have better careers
The combine is part of the reason why players get overlooked and some players get big contracts that they should never have received and become busts. You can't measure a player based off of how high they can jump or how fast they can run. You can only judge them based on how they actually play and how much heart and determination they bring. Perfect examples is Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf
What are you talking about bro of course how fast you run and how high you jump matters in football.
Imagine if Tom Brady’s job was to tackle Saquon Barkley? Do you understand now you can’t single out one position
@@TYLERORTIZ2021 do you realize how many good people get overlooked cuz they didnt have a good showing at the combine and their draft stock plummeted? So now they have to ride the bench and waste talent? Or how many did good but were busts because they could run and jump but didnt transition from college to become nfl starts because they didnt have "it". The combine needs to be restructured and reworked..... only my opinion tho
@@BiscuitsOfWrath no I just know I competed at a high level and never thought any of those measurements seemed unfair
Players should get evaluated primarily by game tape and then intangibles such as leadership, hard work etc., and then combine performance last. Combines have been proven numerous times to be completely overrated. I don't care how fast a guy is in a workout show me how he uses his speed in a game to contribute to the team.
70% game tape
20% intangibles
10% combine workout
@@Cookiesrfood bro what if they already value it at that. You’re projecting rn because I think the combine is already only taken at about 10% scouting. Maybe spend less time online and you’ll realize
I love comeback stories like this
You can now add Super Bowl champion to his story
this just proves that the combine doesn’t mean much… you need to go by how well a player plays the actual game of football.
The thing that made him drop was the 14 reps without a doubt. For an offensive lineman to have that low of reps is lowkey a red flag
Yet he's a 4-time Pro Bowler and a Superbowl champion
@@cortlincabbiness1151 low comprehension skills huh. I pointed out the thing that made him drop not that he was a shit player.
Could’ve just been a bad day where he wasn’t feeling 100%. If I was a GM or Head Coach of an NFL team in desperate need to improve its O-line, and the guy was originally projected to be a first round draft pick based on what he did game after game after game on the field in college and his college stats for an OL were top notch, I would not overly concern myself with the kid having one bad day doing exercise drills. 14 reps for an OL isn’t considered good at the Combine, but it’s not like the kid was being projected as a low draft pick (like 5th or 6th round). I would prioritize all that video footage I saw of him in multiple, high-caliber college games against the best competition in the country versus one day doing random exercise drills.
Bench press reps for guys with long arms mean nothing. The bench press is the single most overrated exercise on the planet, something for meat heads with their stubby little arms to brag about in the gym, has nothing to do with NFL ability.
@@rickbrenner6079 he probably has long arms that's why the reps were low
It’s amazing how a combine performance can cause a team to pick a bad player early, or a good player late.
Is it though? If you feel like you have a coachable player, you have a belief in your system and ability to coach that player up, it's not hard at all to see dreaming big on insane physical traits. Same can be seen in reverse when a mass of goo is woefully unathletic with tiddies flopping faster than his feet... 🤷♂️
any 345lber running like that is a blessing itself. He’s running more up right than 170lbers
The combine doesn't measure what's between your ears or whats beating in your chest.
The Combine is a decent test to see how players can react under pressure in person, but definitely not a test to see how well a person will adjust to pro ball from college ball or how good they will be in the future.
It's so dope that yall used mr rager as the back ground music, its 🔥🔥🔥
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I had a 4.71 40 as a RB and no one could fn touch me. I was well rounded in agility, elusiveness, shifting, and my center of gravity was insane. In fact, being a little slower helped me stop on the dime and allow fast running g defenders to pass me up every time.
Just curious.....did you make it to the big show?
Dude is a gamer. Sad he let the combine from getting that bag.
Chuck knoll said " fellas, we're gonna time you, measure you, see how high you can jump, and then we're gonna see if you can play. "- Merrill hodge
Never ever allow yourself to be defined by others! Work, work and really hard work will get you far.
The combine can turn an undrafted player into a 6th rounder but it shouldn't drop a 1st rounder to like 3rd round
It depends on position but at the end of the day it all comes down to the gut feeling of the GM.
Imaging being a scout getting paid millions a year to consistently misjudge players and scout incorrectly for your team. Best job ever
Baseball players get out on most of their st bats yet they still make millions. If it was that easy they wouldn't get paid to do it
No. What you witnessed was a guy who was confident to know he was an asset to a team and chose not to take a chance on hurting himself before he was even drafted. Showed ppl he wasn’t too good then became a top Tackle once he was drafted. These guys are taking more notice of how meaningless the combine is and are not trying to “show off” for a spectacle.
40 yard dash for a lineman 😂
Combine stats matter to a degree, but its the intangibles that cannot be measured.
This is case by case. For guys with top production or tape, it can cause a decrease in stock, but not break them. Some individuals from small schools or less impressive statistics it is an absolute game changer.
Exhibit: Christine Michael to the Seahawks as a 2nd rounder when he barely produced in college.
Or Travon Walker going from a mid to late first rounder to being mocked as the #1 Pick simply because of his insane combine while having lackluster production and an unrefined set of pass rush moves
@@imaxix7779 Teams are desperate for game wrecking DEs so sometimes they will take a project with freak traits in the hopes they can mold them into a star. Sometimes it doesn’t work, sometimes it’s a home run
@@aidanweston1286 I would agree for most drafts, but taking Walker above Thibadeux and Hutchinson seems insane because both of these are crazy athletic as well, have already had great college level production and have shown great pass rush moves. Mean while Walker was relegated to being a run defender/holding the edge and rarely even pass rushed. Also he played in probably the single greatest front 7 in college history mean while Hutch and Thib were usely scheemed against and sometimes double timed in pass pro.
@@imaxix7779 about that.
He didn’t want to play for the bottomed feeders. He managed to get on a competitive team and allow his skills do the talking to eventually get him paid.
Simply a brilliant risk.
I don't think a person would purposely Tank their Draft stock out of the first round to play on a good team. If you're good you're gonna eventually get a pay day regardless, and being selected in the first round just raises the amount of money you'll make in your career.
He fell all the way to the 3rd so he could’ve been drafted by one of those bottomed feeders anyway. And he lost millions
@@KT-qx1tk looking back at this comment, it did not age well. What was I thinking 😂
When a combine stat can play football is when I listen to combine stats only...
Bro was a beast in college nfl managers should have known that he already got the football thing figured out
That’s why you don’t judge a book by his cover
Or by it's combine 💯 📙
A very thicc book
God Loves You Remember That 🙏🏾❤️✝️
Which one ?
Its crazy how much the combine can affect draft stock. Look at 2024 Payton Wilson ran 40 yd dash in 4.3, crazy vertical leap and super amount of bench press reps. Due to his past injuries seems it may repeat in the future but his combine high turn out is putting him drad in the 1st round of the fraft when actually hes a high 2nd round pick due to his past injuries.
The combine cant measure heart.
And now he’s a chief !
Edit: and now he's not a chief (maybe)
What’s greater the best 40 time or winning 7 Super Bowls 🤔
40× for $$ 4the early draft picks. Nothing is guaranteed to a late pick.
It’s the exact same thing but different context when looking at other drafts when discussing other players and not the ones who have the most impact and the best player on their roster is the one who has the most influence
This draft you gotta take a qb that looks good. This offseason will be pivotal for the future of the qb position in New Orleans
Tom Brady had one of the worst quarterback combines at the time and was picked in the 6th round with the 100th overall pick as a backup but after the Patriots starting qb got injured and had to retire Tom came in and is now known as the best football qb or player to play in the nfl
(Edit: Brady was actually picked with the 199th overall pick and also the guy that was the starting qb for the patriots before Tom Brady came in didn’t retire.)
drew bledsoe didn't retire
199th pick.
Pretty sure almost everyone who watches football knows this.
1. Drew Bledsoe did NOT retire
2. Brady was selected 199th overall
bledsoe didn’t have to retire lol what
To much some guys are just football players
Look at him now, im proud he didnt let this bring him down
That’s why they don’t show up to combine if they feel it will have a negative effect
On average their performance there predics how good of a player they're going to be, so it's good business practice to just go for the good numbers, instead of rolling the dices in the lower end of the spectrum
The evidence is in the tape it’s not gamble lol
Just take a look at Brady, that alone shows the combine doesn’t define a player.
I’m not sure why you guys keep pointing to Tom Brady… Tom Brady was not considered a top draft pick before he got to the combine so the combine actually had very little effect on where his draft status ended up…
@@evilsWa exactly and the fact he did “poorly” on the combine just further proves the point that it doesn’t really make a difference.