It is WILD to me too. But I'm thinking a lot of these folks would come up with another reason why they wouldn't support whatever company would get it next.
I live in the South. Legends are hard to find out here. My one complaint about Legends is their scarcity! They aren't rare figures! They are just hard to obtain. Some of the recent characters like Power Princess, Cable, Warbird and Cyclops were just hard to get at retail. I can't find figures to complete build-a-figures because of distribution issues. That shouldn't happen in a line this old! That's frustrating for new and old collectors alike
I have the same issue. The only store I live near now that sells new baf waves and deluxe stuff is GameStop, and it’s extremely hit or miss. Regular figures should never be hard to find.
@BoogSReviews Amen to that! It's frustrating to have money and still not be able to get the figures u want because they are sold out/ never in stock and u don't want to overpay on the secondary market 😒
I feel like some folks assume some magical company is going to do everything Hasbro has done just 10x better and that hope is better than the reality of the situation.
I couldn’t even imagine 20+ years and you’re starting over. I hope this never happens, hasbro just needs to make better decisions, but we’ll see what happens in the future.
@ somehow figure out their distribution problem. Figure out their pricing, and lack of accessories because we’re not getting that many depending on the character.
My only problem with Marvel Legends is that instead of getting more unreleased characters faster, we keep getting more Caps, Ironmans, Dpidermans, Wolverines, etc, but I know that’s never gonna change
Those characters sell the most/best so Hasbro have to rely on them to compensate for the figures they have to make but know won't sell like Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Panther 2, Agatha etc.
@@glennmiller6759 I feel u. When u have been collecting for 20 years or longer, you crave some new characters to liven up your collection. It's crazy that the toy designers from every toy company swears they are collectors too but they very rarely give fans the new never released characters.
I know some collectors have visions of Jada Toys dancing in their head, but the most likely outcome of Hasbro losing the Marvel license is having it go to McFarlane. If you want 7” figures of Storm, Psylocke, and Jean Gray on a repainted Rogue buck for $30, have at it.
Don't forget that Todd would also give you the same figure in 20 different repaints with no accessories and still charge you $29.99 just because the figure is in a new box.
don't worry, todd hardly ever does female figures. look forward to the 240th wolverine repaint, red and purple wolverine, gold label, wal mart exclusive
The Jada Toys crowd pushing for ML confuses me. They haven't done nearly the kind of output of Street Fighters that would come close to satisfying them for a Marvel-based property. Let them excel with manageable licenses instead of an all-consuming one like Marvel.
The license itself may specific the size at this point. Remember when it went from Toybiz to Hasbro they had to maintain the same form factor. Also McFarlane is following the prior Kenner form factor for his DCAU figures. I believe he was asked to by WB. So if he gets Marvel he will likely be locked in at 6".
One thing hasbro does right that many don’t talk about is that hasbro really highlights an shows love to obscure characters Like they do the popular ones but they give the sane attention to b c an even d list characters many companies don’t take that gamble
I feel like this happens to so many lines. Right when they really start to improve, they get cancelled. It happened to DC Icons, DC Universe Classics, and now it could happen to Hasbro. I hope the rumors aren’t true, as I really do enjoy the GOOD Hasbro figures. Plus, I don’t like mixing lines, as I like consistency between my figures.
OMFG DC icons are incredible. I was absolutely heart broken when they got cancelled! I love them so much but I wish they didn’t break like dry spaghetti so easily.
I’d hate to see Hasbro lose the license. What I want from Hasbro is a little more speed in completing various teams instead of endless variants of Spiderman, Wolverine, and iron man. And I love all three of those characters.
Looking at my Marvel Legends collection, here's a short list of characters I have figures for that no other company has made figures of: -Dani Moonstar [w/Karma head] -Moira MacTaggart -Monet -Legion -Boom-Boom -Syrin -Clea -The Stepford Cuckoos -Kate Bishop -Destiny -Bastion -Prime Sentinels -Omega Sentinel -Pretty Boy -Skullbuster -Lilandra -Donald Pierce -Sebastian Shaw -Selene (alt head for Black Queen)
As someone thats been collection marvel figures since the original secret wars, I remember in the mid 90s wishing I had even 70% of the characters in scale and in the costumes I wanted. Fast forward to hasbro since about 2017 to now It's dream land, loads of 80s and and 90s characters and costumes animated series looks. If you grew up in the late 80s/90s Hasbro has made the best marvel line for you. Sure I still want more stuff like a new Wrecking Crew 4 pack with bodys and colors simular to the mU 3.75 line and I want Spider-man animated series Chameleon,Blade and others but it would be insane to want someone else to get marvel at this point. (Start over no thank you!) I want at least another 10 years of legends.
Hasbro needs to keep the Marvel license. I have been very vocal on my dislikes of Hasbro's mistakes, but I have also given them well-deserved credit for improvements they've made. Hasbro isnt so bad where they need to lose the license.
Hasbro has gotten lazy and as a result, their figures have gone stale. How can you put out 100 Spider-Man figures with no toe articulation. Also, they continually repaint outdated bucks from ten years ago but think they compensate by making them pinless. No new sculpt, same articulation but higher prices. Ideally, Jada Toys should have the license but they are far too new to take on the task. Therefore, Hasbro really needs to step it up.
Took a close look at my Kraven the Hunter that just came in the mail. Same old Cap legs and boots, just repainted. Definitely getting the most out of their molds. 😅😅😅
There are rumors that Hasbro is going to give up the Disney License, even more shocking there is a rumor that Hasbro wants to sell off the entire toy divison and only do Wizards of the Coast. Sounds crazy but I keep hearing it from folks who are semi accurate and have sources. I think even if not true, we are in for a major shake up in 2025.
First of all, Giant-Man kicking Egghead had me weak! 😆😂 1000% agree with you Jeff, No one else is going to give us the depth of Marvel's roster. Yes, Hasbro has made some questionable choices, but they have also made some guaranteed bangers. I for one do not want to start over. Now, I will get the occasional Mafex or Mezco for ultimate versions of some of my favorite characters but overall, Hasbro is putting in the work. Now, if we're talking DC, I am all on board with someone like Jada Toys getting the license for 6" scale DC figures. I love what they're doing with Street Fighter and I think they could do a great job. Before people think I'm hating on McFarlane, nothing says they have to stop making 7" scale DC; WB can just let Jada get the 6" scale. The same thing happens already with Diamond Select 7"/Hasbro 6" right now. Also, Let's not forget Jada is doing Scooby Doo and we all know Scooby and DC have the same parent company, soooo...
LOL. Completely impromptu, but those sometimes make for the best video moments :-) Exactly. If another company can upgrade a ML figure then let's do it, but Hasbro needs to be the main source of our Marvel figures because they've done sooo many figures at this point. I love my Jada figures, but I think they'd handle DC like Mafex handles the DC Comics license.
Id rather have fewer figures of well known characters than tons of obscure characters that are subpar quality. Hasbro cant even get Spiderman right most of the time, whether its a movie or comic figure ( the Tobey figure is atrocious, or Magneto or Cap, but thankfully we have a Tarantula figure....
As someone who has close to 500 figures the very thought of someone else taking over is enough to likely make me think of that day comes a large part of my collecting days could be over.
I m not your typical ml collector. Currently I only own a few, and have all of the ml characters I desire. I wish luck to all who desire full teams. X-men and Avengers completists are in an eternal struggle. Any goal that makes you happy is worthwhile, especially in these crazy times.
Every company should be allowed to have the property. Makes companies compete. Competition creates great products. Monopolies makes dull over priced turds
I bought almost the entire Disney Plus Hasbro line of Marvel figures from Ollie's. All I am missing is Kingpin, but all the figures that had a BAF piece, I got all of those. Still have not found squat at any Ross store, but I have found a lot of good figures at Ollie's.
If Bobby Vala is right, and he worked there and knows people there still, Marvel Star Wars are done at Hasbro, and Hasbro has made an offer for the DC License as it is a lot cheaper than the Disney License. He said that is way a lot of stuff for major HasLabs or product hasn’t been shown off since it would extend beyond 2025…the year both licenses end at Hasbro
Well if Bobby Vala says it, it must be true. Bobby Vala is a jackass and every time he opens his mouth we understand why he's not at Hasbro. I'm curious what friends he actually has there, since all he does is bitch about Lenny or Dwight. I couldn't see Dan or Ryan wanting anything to do with him.
@@Slaytanica666LOL another “has-bro”. I bet you’re a huge “Spector Creative” and “Diaper Island” Stan? Lol If being “bitter” leads to starting and running your own successful company, then everyone should be “bitter”.
On a separate note, are there any Marvel characters with a vehicle lineup like Batman? McFarlane has put out around twenty 6 and 7 inch scale vehicles this year alone with most of them being Batman related, some are DC Direct rereleases but still. Meanwhile Hasbro drips and drabs with GI Joe Classified.
I stumbled upon this video by accident. I really enjoyed your conversation. You make great points and are obviously passionate about the Marvel Legends line. I agree wholeheartedly and enjoyed hearing a rational and intelligent debate instead of some of these “shock jock influencers”. Subscribing!
My cousin has been collecting figures for decades now and he used the excuse of hasbro buying the license as a good stopping point in his collection of marble legends.
I'm glad Hasbro has started to scale the Marvel Legends figures better. I really liked their Endgame Worthy Cap figure, but he looks tiny next to a lot of other Marvel Legends figures. Which is kind of a thing you don't even notice when they're in the box. Only when you get them out of the package and start to pose/display them together.
If we don’t want them to lose the license how can we get to them to fix some things, the gummy legs, joints, prices…. I still don’t understand how mcfarlane figures cost less. I also wouldn’t want to start over with a new company… but Jada looks like they’re on the right track
McFarlane figures are way worse than Marvel Legends figures IMO. I think it's pretty clear that Todd's passion is statues, not action figures. Bad articulation, bad anatomy, and bas scaling between the figures is enough for me to prefer Hasbro over McFarlane
@@juansanchez209they might not look as good as legends but if you put that aside and look at what’s there as far as plastic used and how many parts of articulation they’re about the same, different execution….. but also look at the sculpt detail compared to smooth plastic with paint
Very curious to know why you all think that if another company had the license to do these figures, they wouldn't do the "deep dives". Where's your evidence for that?
Evidence? It's not a court case, just kinda the obvious. New company with the license is going to want to do all the big names before getting risky and doing the C-list fringe characters.
Yeah I'm not seeing that either. I would think a new company would do some of the same things hasbeen did, the bigger names and then 1-2 "obscure" characters, and as they move on, do a few more. No reason not to do "deep dives" because frankly collectors have been wanting Hasbenn to do more than The Usual Suspects. They also have been dragging for YEARS to get teams completed, no reason for that. Look at Inhumans. By the time they get to the full Royal Family they have to re-do the few they already did because now they're outdated. I really don't think they're gonna lose it, but it would be great if a new company took over and gave us what we want.
Seriously...i believe that there is ZERO CHANCE that Hasbro will lose the Marvel Legends license! Also im very happy that you mentioned that OIL PRICES have a HUGE effect on Marvel Legends prices...so many naive collectors believe ALL price increases are the result of GREED..
@@LylesFigureFiles I just wanted to point out that oil prices DO have an effect toy prices..& it's more likely than than greed. Anyways keep up the great work brother Looking forward to more of your Marvel Legends reviews 👑
@ I mean it kinda is in some degree because they apparently didn’t care enough to actually paint the gold but instead they molded it or whatever you call it
I AGREE 💯!. There's WAY too much Marvel Legends HATE. I' only collect Marvel Legends & im NOT a fan of Mafex... Mezco..etc etc..& one of the MAIN reasons is the fact that you mentioned .. that Marvel Legends makes all the OBSCURE Marvel Comics characters that they make..i GUARANTEE that NO OTHER line would EVER make 👑..
They earned the hate. Incompetence, laziness, over priced greed. They won't get sizes right, they won't make the females look right. Too many of ya'll simpin' for has BLOW. I don't think they'll lose the license anytime soon but they deserve to.
The wild thing is there are other options to buy "better" Marvel figures. Expecting the mass market one to deliver the same quality as higher end companies doesn't make much sense to me.
just happy to have my favorite 80's character Death's Head 1 (culd have been vac metalized, But small complaint. ) and I got lucky enough to get my other favorite 80's DC from Mc Farline Ambush Bug. My inner child was so happy. I agree with you Hasbro is the best place for the license. I'm just happy to have my favorites within a month of each other.
The fact remains that Hasbro is a company with a BoD and they make all the calls on how much time and money get put into the toys. Watch some of Bobby Valas videos. He did one recently about the Marvel Universe line and he made the Beast and was limited on the stuff he could do; no articulation, no accessories, no extras. He goes in depth a few times. The board makes the rules and profit takes precedent over innovation, quality and even employee intake
I love the legends team because unlike most other toy creative team on the scale of Hasbro they actually listen and take criticism well. They take into account what people say and they take time to listen to us fans via interviews. We’ve seen time and time again when creators hold them accountable and ask the hard hitting questions and they roll with it. We don’t really get that level of attention and care from other representatives of other toy lines outside of Hasbro. This work because they are actually people passionate about what they do and not just mindless corporate stooges. Dan, Ryan, Dwight actually care about our criticisms
I definitely appreciate the ML team listening to our feedback. I would certainly also add in Steve Ozer aka Action Figure Attack over at Mattel. He takes time out of his off-hours time to respond to fan criticism and provide some insight into creative decisions for the WWE line.
Slow down, buddy!!!!Comic book Hawkeye is taller than Captain America Steve Rogers! Comic book Hawkeye should be on the Vulcan body for accurate scaling. Most people don't care but MCU Clint Barton is the short king. The Hasbro Legends team doesn't use the Marvel Handbook as the standard for figure heights otherwise the Renew Your Vows Spider-Man would be much smaller. Most Spider-Man figures are too tall for 5'10" Peter Parker.
Hasbro Legends has some problems. The main one being that many or even most Legends fans also collect Classified GI Joe, and naturally there are comparisons being made. Legends is NOTORIOUS for skimping on accessories while Classified is known for having many killer accessories. That's a fact. It's unfair to compare the two lines though, because Legends has been up front about things. It all comes down to budget, and I don't think that Legends has the budget that the Classified line has--especially since Hasbro owns GI JOE outright, they aren't dependent on Disney budgets or decision making getting in the way of things where GI JOE is concerned. That means they have more leeway to do the characters up right. Unfortunately, Legends doesn't have that luxury. It makes things frustrating for fans and collectors who want things like extra heads and hands with figures. I don't like that we didn't get an extra Rogue head with the white stripes on both sides of her head, or that we didn't get a Siryn screaming head, but I understood that we didn't get those because of budgetary concerns. I can totally forgive Legends because of that. I'm far less forgiving about their choices of characters though. We've gotten tons of X-Men, Spider-Man and Avengers stuff since Hasbro took over. I want to see characters in the Marvel Universe who have not received representation get figures. I want to see classic comic book looks. Those are things that I want as a fan. Legends has done better with this recently. I mean we did finally get Rogue in her original look--even if it didn't have the extra head we wanted. We got Crystal and Lockjaw. I'd have preferred a Kirby style Lockjaw, but I knew they'd never do that. We're getting a classic looking Dragon Man. Classic looking Sentinels. I mean, Marvel Legends has been trying. You have to give them that. I just wish they'd stop doing '90s gimmicks like Cap shields that aren't complete shields. I wish they'd do more accurate classic stuff like giving Thor the classic Mjolnir, or Jean Gray her classic wavy hair instead of giving us modern revisionist stuff. If I wanted to see Legends go to another company, I wouldn't know who would have the facility to do better than Hasbro. I am often disappointed with Hasbro Legends line-ups, but I'm not as often disappointed with their execution. They've improved over the years. They even redid their Magik figure to give us one that was pin-less with legs that weren't bent like Beckum. They're trying. I can see that. I'm not thrilled with half of this years announced figures, but the other half I'm digging. Dude! We're getting a classic comic book ROM figure!! I'm sticking with Legends for the time being. I'm just getting too old to be waiting on characters that I wanted since 2016 without any hope of getting. Can't believe they aren't giving us a Yellowjacket...
The problem is, they have the molds to reuse accessories like hands and stuff. Every figure should have a set of open, fisted, and grappling hands. They already have the molds and reuse parts all the time, so a few extra hands wouldn’t hurt.
Classified make more money per figure than Marvel Legends as Hasbro don't have to pay disney a license for G.I Joe so they have more profits from Classified they can put into extra weapons and accessories. Though I feel Marvel don't need the accessories like G.I Joe do who rely on their military weapons. Most marvel characters have a super power not a weapon.
I dont collect Marvel Legends anymore stopped when they started focusing on Movie version I pick up random fig to fill holes in what I have but very selective , But hasbro had done a solid job on line not like anyone else going to make a superior product.
One item picked up the West Coast Avengers Multipack and Black Knight with Sersi another company will not get to those characters or those version for at least a decade at best
@@LylesFigureFiles true has been some nice figures only concern when Marvel finally gets the movies back to coming out on a reg basis going back to them. It is the last 2 years have been a side effect of Covid shutting down hollywood then on top of it the writer strikes have kept the MCU sideline for most part which have helped Hasbro
I've been buying Legends since the early Toybiz days, continued when Hasbro took over (although unfortunately I skipped some of the early stuff as I was not too impressed with their early figs, especially compared to Toybiz), but have been happily buying and collecting most of what came out since then. And living in Europe that has not always been easy, as in the early days Hasbro's global distribution simply sucked. Fortunately for me I got some very good friends and relatives helping me feed my addiction. But since then Hasbro has picked up and now I can buy almost everything I want through retail or Pulse. I've never been big on the MCU, but I love the all the comics stuff , especially the C and D listers, they have released since then. I'm in the middle of moving my whole Legends collection to a new building and I'm baffled by the number of figures they have released, they went so deep and that's exactly what I love about Legends. And that brings me to the topic at heart. While there's definitely been some frustration with Hasbro over the years, no way would I start all over again with another company, not even if it would be a great but unlikely candidate such as Jada Toys. I just wouldn't have the energy nor the money for it anymore. That would be the end of Legends for me. Could you imagine McFarlane taking over and doing everything in 7 inch and giving us like 3 Spider-Man figures in every wave...? No, thanks, I'm good (I didn't' mind too much with DC Multiverse, as I never got into Mattel's DC Classics before). Hasbro could definitely use some kicks in the butt to change their attitude about some things, but in the end I really hope they can and will keep the license! PS: Love your shirt. :) PPS: Mafex figs are like $100-125 over here, I can get almost a whole ML wave for that price. Not an alternative as far as I'm concerned. If I'm paying over 100 bucks, I prefer going all the way and buy 12 inch Hot Toys or Sideshow figs, but I'm not spending that much on a 6 inch figure. :s
Yeah, I love the Mafex DC figures since they don't have much of an alternative, but a Marvel Legends figure really balances out with the costs for one figure!
Hasbro has too many brands, they can't successfully manage them all without competing with themselves. Marvel Legends didn't even start from Hasbro it was at Toy Biz. i think people saying they're out if Hasbro loses Marvel, then when they see the new line from someone else they'll probably still be excited. it will be something shiny and new.
Fantastic video Jeffrey. With a love/hate relationship with ML I discovered your video a great refreshing look at this topic. It would not surprise me if Hasbro loses the Disney license, but with all things considered, it probably won't happen. These 2 corporate giants would not jeopardize a relationship in such a matter. Now that said, it would also not surprise me should Marvel (a part of Disney) adds more clauses to the contract for more control over character selection and design. Thanks for your efforts Jeffrey.
Thanks Jay! It's an interesting discussion for sure. There's been so much in the comments about it, I think I might just need to dedicate the live tomorrow to chatting real time with everyone about it.
Another banger LFF. i was about to comment about the demand, but you started talking about it lol. Other than MCfarlane, (which i dont want) i dont see any company out right now that can keep up with output for marvel. comics, MCU, and like you said the exclusives and haslab type figures.
Blue Marvel really disappointed me, and it was simply the lack of detail in the hair. At this point the only figures I’m invested into are AoA and no other line is going to give me the amount of characters that legends have. Sure Mayfex looks better but I’m just more interested in the amount of characters I can get over the small improvements in just a couple characters. That’s just my opinion. I’m willing to give a little grace because they are trying to please multiple different types of collectors and some of these failures are unacceptable, I don’t need to start over just to complete teams that I already have completed. The biggest issue with me is accessories, if they just do a better job at giving us accessories that display characters powers I can see less criticism. The price isn’t coming down and Hasbro have to be more aware of giving fans more bang for their buck.
I agree . One thing that should make everyone want Hasbro to keep the Marvel line is the fact that we'll have to start all over again . If soneone else takes over they'll make the big name heroes first . We'll never see some of the heroes we're seeing now . Forget Martow , ROM , the Beyonder , all the rare characters . Gone for years because theyll be making the well known heroes first. All the A and B listers we already have . Plus all the Hasbro figures may not match up with a new companies figures . Id love it if Hasbro got DC too . Why does McFarlane makes his line at 7 inch scale?
The only problem I have with Hasbro is they simply do not put the same amount of effort into Marvel Legends as they do GI Joe or Star Wars…. they just don’t…. It’s an overall lazy overpriced line with no real effort put into it…. with one or two exceptions here and there…. for comparison Jada Toys Street Fighter and Mattel Masterverse blows just about anything Hasbro Marvel Legends produces out of the water and for a lower price point…. I mean compare Masterverse Two Bad at 35 bucks and everything that came with him to a 65+ dollar Odin or Hulkbuster…. the biggest issue with Hasbro is the price to product quality ratio with Marvel Legends…. they are just way overpriced for what Hasbro is giving us….
Mafex puts out high end Marvel figures. Diamond Select puts out quality figures. You don't have to buy anything from Hasbro and avoid feeling like they're ripping you off.
Great vid Jeffrey. I agree that Hasbro should keep the license. Yes, they have some issues, but they undeniably continue to improve. The sheer range and deep cuts that I have in my collection is appreciated along with the teams that are slowly being completed. 😂 Again, I can recognize the need for improvement (number of accessories, head sculpts, some scaling ,etc.), but have to recognize the vast improvements including pinless male and female bodies, face printing and retro waves that give us great figs like She-Hulk, original Iron Man, a great Giant-Man, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. 3pk to name a few.
Absolutely right on the "definitive" version of figures. All these new X-Men figures that have come out, and I still stick with the Love Triangle 3-pack for Wolverine, Jean, and Cyclops. Only time I buy doubles is when I want to compare between companies like Juggernaut, Thanos, Ice Man, and Hulk from Marvel Legends vs Marvel Select. Then I pick one for the collection and sell the other.
Well, maybe Hasbro doing all You're "wanted-lists" is part of the problem: From a business perspective, licensing a brand always has two aspects: On the one hand simply the license fees, but on the other hand also the desire to achieve marketing effects for your own branded products through the licensed products. Those are - for Disney/Marvel - films and comics, both of which are very neglected by Hasbro, who at least today is above all recreating old toylines and makes figures from video games or comics from the 90s and before. Those have only minor marketing effects for Disney (apart from some omnibus reprints of older comics). In terms of films and shows you have to notice: Too little, too late and with a bad flair (f.e. a whole wave for Eternals and Ant Man 3, not a single figure for GotG holiday special, one side charakter for Werewolf by Night A YEAR LATER, D&W four months later). Thus might make Disney reconsider either if Hasbro is still the right licensing partner or the amount of license fees (since the missing marketing effects have to be recouped through the fees), which in turn could be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Hasbro and make them skip the license.
@@LylesFigureFiles Of course they do. Everything else would be economic suicide. As there are production lead times of app. two years you have to prepare your production in case you get the license. If you don't get the license, you can always sell them to the new licensee, who would otherwise be without products for two years. Same that happend 2007 when Hasbro took over the license from ToyBiz (in the first "Hasbro"-waves were even simple repaints of ToyBiz figures. So Hasbro just working in advance doesn't proof anything.
Hasbro has gotten really good at what they do of late like you said. They seemed almost clueless at first when they first took over the line but it’s night and day now. I’d hate to see them lose the license.
The thing is... the "Marvel license" entails a lot. Legends is only a part of what Hasbro produces under that license. Same with "Star Wars." I know a lot of Legends collectors think they're the center of the universe... but it probably isn't the case. Can Hasbro carve off "just 6-inch comic figures" from the Marvel license and drop the rest? So they don't have to produce unsellable "roleplay" accessories for 10-year-olds who aren't buying them? Maybe. Or maybe by having the "Marvel license" they are mandated by the licenser to make toys for various age brackets, and figures from the D+ shows. Etc. That stuff is dragging them down, financially. Given Mattel holds a portion of the Star Wars license, and even McF is doing some Marvel stuff, maybe Hasbro can get out from under the kids-toys part of the brand and put more money and effort into the collectors' line.
I'm rooting for Hasbro to keep the line. Especially with the new body molds they've created; Vulcan, Cable She-Hulk ect. I'm hoping they update the comic versions of Deadpool body though. Those bodies are most for the time small, in size and muscle against a Spiderman figure.
I don’t think Hasbro should lose the license. I feel like Hasbro should be putting more effort into making their figures better. there’s no reason why in 2024 we have figures who have elbows and kneecaps that are completely different colors than the rest of their arms and legs, why we still have fuzzy paint in the faces, why we still have limited accessories with figures, especially for how much they’ve hiked up the prices in the past five years. there’s no reason why the Haslab giant man came out and damn near every single review that I’ve seen on it has a defect with them not receiving the tray with straight eyes. why we’re getting “deluxe” figures that are 50+ dollars that aren’t worth that. Like Phoenix being $50 bc of a stand or Crystal and a damn near statue of lockjaw being almost EIGHTY dollars. The problem is a lot of big content creators in the action figure community are in Hasbro’s pockets so they don’t hold Hasbro accountable. They glaze and kiss ass no matter what Hasbro team does so Hasbro doesn’t think they need to step up their game and continues to give us mediocrity because they know that the voices of the community are never going to speak up and say anything because they want to continue to get figures to reveal and review early.
I wonder if as many content creators get early/free figures from Hasbro as you might think. I think it's a lot more that collectors who are content creators buy figures they assume they'll like. You could buy things you have never liked and build a decent following explaining why the figures are terrible, but I think most people who take the time doing these videos are inherently bias simply because they like the line not because they're hoping for free figures.
Give it time mcfarlane will in some point and time he will start a marvel line of action figures I put money on it they will give him the ok to do 7inch scale diamond select figures It will be McFarlane diamond select marvel figures sad thing is for all of us that has every marvel legends will have to start all over again to scale with the dc multiverse figures He’s already doing the marvel statues just a matter of time before he start doing figures for marvel
Let me just get all the figures I need first then Hasbro can drop the license. No new manufacturer can/will touch the depth and scope of that many characters. No way I'm buying all these characters all over again.
If the time comes that ML will leave hasbro and go to another toy company, they will restart everything again. It's good for new collectors.. but I don't wanna go through restarting the collection again. Also, despite the fact that they release multiple figures of the same characters, I like the fact that they release figures of characters who are Y or Z list characters.. That's a big plus for me. Way back when DCUC was around, I love that I can mix n match them with my ML, since they are both 6 inch figures.. but now, with Todd having the DC line in 7 inch, its not working for me.
But Lyles Hasbro is a billion dollar company they deserve critical criticism to make the brand better and they have made some amazing figures in the past 2 years but the cut corner ways has to stop, the Haslab stuff should have better QR there have been issues with Sentinel and Giant man and shouldn’t be the case especially when it takes a year to make, my 2 cents keep up the great work
@@clarkeant Agreed, it boggles my mind sometimes that collectors can be so quick to defend a huge corporation sometimes even against their own interests. Hasbro is not some magical and unique entity, other companies are able to do the job just fine. Bandai and Spinmaster come to mind.
Watch that Head's Up video. I have zero problems calling Hasbro, Mattel, McFarlane, etc. any company out when they need some "guidance" on how to improve the figures.
@LMoon83 my interest is in my extensive Marvel Legends collection, not Hasbro. I'm not sure how I'm defending them when in the last ML video I mentioned how they mess up too often on head sculpts.
@@LylesFigureFiles point taken. I’m just think this goes beyond the quality and price of their own figures, but their anti consumer practices. Their Star Wars 6” line is overpriced with awful articulation and no accesories, and they actively block import figures from getting official distribution on this side of the world. Sincerely, as far as I’m concerned, screw Hasbro.
I get that you have a collection and history that supersedes most, as a company Hasbro has given us a lot and we all appreciate it and see the potential of what the company can do but they have to button up on the Walmart, Target, and Walgreen exclusive madness which makes it hard to get key figures, also the reuse of old bodies like sunfire, spiderman UK, and Bucky cap. All figures should have double joints and butterfly joints and classified is doing it and more effects and head sculpts… and I’d be less critical but they are so close just practicing bad business practices
Unfortunately, it looks like Hasbro is divesting of making toys altogether. They are dumping off their own IP to other toy companies, which is why I'm scared for Gi Joe. But, for Star Wars and other licenses they currently produce, it may just be a matter of time until they drop them. They are going the route of a digital and IP holding company.
I'm wondering how many more Star Wars figures I absolutely HAVE to have. Transformers is getting close to being wrapped up for me, but GI Joe and Marvel Legends still have a ton of figures left on my wish lists!
Ive only bought 2 figures from hasbro this year. They need to stop with the bs 2 packs and 3 packs that have 1 figure we want. And they need to stop cutting corners at every turn. Till then, ill stick to actually good figures like mafex, mezco, three zero, sentinel etc.
@LylesFigureFiles to be fair, Joytoy has been knocking it out of the park with thier Warhammer line and it's hard enough to keep up. I've been trying my best however and it has forced me to shift directions with my collecting
Jada Toys is a small company, they can't afford the Marvel license (Disney IPs are notorious for having INSANE licensing fees). People who imaging Jada Toys making Marvel figures are living in a fantasy land. It's simply not possible
@@trevormcguire6984 Yes, to an extent. Both Jada Toys and I are based in Southern California (more specifically, we are both in the LA Metropolitan Area), so I have spoken to Jun and other members of the team for media purposes. In case you were unaware, Jada Toys is a relatively small (but growing!) private company as opposed to a major publicly traded corporation like Hasbro Believe me, I am one of Jada Toys' biggest fans and supporters, but I am also a realist. I have an idea of what Disney charges for the Marvel license (the Star Wars license is even more!), and (respectfully) it is WAY more than Jada Toys can afford in their current state
The problem is not the Marvel line it's Hasbro as a company doing dodgy company things. And I feel for the guys working there that just want to make excellent toys. But haslabs where the customer has to fund the toy then deal with a tear system with crap we don't want or the thing we do want is locked behind the final tear. And over priced. And then you finally get your super expensive figures either late or bad quality. They are currently in a class action law suit where they lost the investors nearly a billion dollars with stock piling stock during covid to inflate prices and cause artificial demand. Only problem is they hoarded too much stock that didn't sell that's now being sold below retail. And it was the investors who paid for that stock. Yes the 3d photo real heads are amazing. But those figures you named now, for everyone of those unique sculpts is a hundred bare bucks with painted on uniform and one set of hands. For every one nightcrawler we got a 100 wolverines. Taking all these issues together and the drop in sales and stock, I'm not sure they can afford the Disney Marvel license anymore. And like I said it's not the employees fault. It's senior management who has no love for the product, they only see us as cows to be milked. I would rather pay $50 and get exactly what I want and more. Than gamble with $25 and hope I get something good. Or paying $150 for 6 shitty figures to get 2 good ones in a BAF wave.
I'd be more willing to start over if McFarlane loses the DC license and gives it to another company. I'm a simple man. All I really want are 6 inch DC action figures that scale with Hasbro's Marvel Legends (in terms of size & articulation). It'd be interesting to see Hasbro get DC, but personally I'd love to see Jazwares try their hand at making a 1/12 scale Batman or Superman. Their AEW line proves that they can do fun and exciting things with the DC license.
Hope Hasbro doesn't lose the licence. Although I don't love everything they do, I recently picked up the retro carded venom and it's amazing good video 😁👍
Can’t another company create Marvel figure in the 1/12 scale but not under the Marvel Legends banner? Like if Marvel decide they want more money, they can issue the IP to another company. Like sometime we see SHF or Figma do them. I think it’s good to start from zero. I’m a late collector so I don’t have 1,000+ ML.
I admit I do not collect Marvel Legends as a focus. My Marvel stuff is spread around over a few lines because I grab characters I like. But I agree about if the license moves, the new company will likely start near the beginning with Spider-Man, Cap, etc. Bought the Cabal pack so I could get a good Taskmaster. How long until new company gets to the West Coast Avengers? The Legends I do have are great, like Sabertooth and the recent Cage and Iron Fist pack. So, I am good with it staying at Hasbro.
It's like Black Series. You need someone to keep the license so you can get characters like Pote Snitken or every clone commander. I also think people are one bad or mediocre figure and they declare it a trend. Lynn Swann may have dropped a ball or two, but you'd still keep passing it to him. I am old and need newer references.
Hasbro is always improving i hope they keep it, if another company take over the new company will start from the begining and release only the most popular, i don't want a restart i started with the begining toybiz wave 1, i don't want to wait another 20 years for characters like the acolytes
Is it a package deal for them licensing from Disney? Like do they have to get Star Wars and Marvel movies and comics? It would be nice if they could somehow keep doing the comic figs at least. They have to be losing their ass on the MCU and Disney SW stuff.
I mean, we can say whatever we want, but Disney is the one that will push the button in this case. I was really surprise when Mattel lost DC, a giant company who is indeed the rival of Hasbro.
Hasbro has done a decent job with the face sculpts. They aren't perfect, but they have gotten much better, especially the MCU figures. Not sure if a sucessor would do that good of a job.
marvel should move to Jada instead. Imagine the qulaity and the price, they could make it with cloth similar to cyberpunk, gambit, thor, dr strange, cloak, dagger etc
Mfs also quick to hate on ML when they have a mid at worst release but get really quite when they drop figures like there doctor strange or astonishing x-men wolverine
Chris cocks ceo of hasbro (formerly of Xbox) says “we are not a toy company” in many interviews. He’s taking the company to mobile apps and gaming cause that’s what he knows which means less money spent on toys and new molds, engineers are forced to be clever to get out good product. The only line that seems to be actively getting attention is the gi joe classified line.
While I agree with alot of your points the kang throne point kinda goes flat for me for one reason the lex Luthor figure with a throne came out for the standard price point for mcfarlane and is even on sale rn for $10 at bbts so $60 for a smaller figure with a throne is steep
They do more for G.I. Joe and transformer than what they do for marvel legends, yes we got some good ones, but we had to wait for years to complete some set. It just rubs off the wrong way.
People in the comments raving about the depth of character selection is a bit of a reach really considering legends have been about 20+ years. Their not exactly gonna make avengers or xmen remakes every single year, of course there will be obscure characters Also, how do you know other companies wouldnt go deep, or how do you know other companies wouldnt make haslab scale figures? 10 years ago nobody thought hasbro would make a giant galactus but here we are. Personally, i think the action figure world needs a bit of a shake up, if some licenses get swapped around, im game.
Yes, im ok with that. Granted, im nowhere near a completionist so it wouldnt hurt me as much, i only buy my favourite 5 or 6 characters, so it would be great for another company to tackle a venom or carnage for instance. I know im in the minority as completing teams or figure scale matters little to me. I just want something to look cool on a shelf that looks different to what i already have. Hasbro stuff all looks the same. My shelfs just need freshening up.
Hasbro needs to shake it up a little. Offer hands and accessory packs. Offer alternate heads in a pack. Give more options to want to keep a figure. Ie. a Spider-Man pack with web lines, more hands, and three heads. I would buy that. A blast effects pack. Something not offered with their figures.
$15 - $20 depending on what’s offered. A couple of companies offer that. On top of their main offerings. For example Valaverse, I don’t collect his stuff, but he does offer those options. It would save them from not offering them with the figures. You buy a Banshee and they didn’t give you his screaming head and only fists in the main offering. This way, they can give you a screaming head, flying hands and a calm head in an accessory pack. Make a few of them and see if they sell. Then if they do, make more. Their Classifieds line can do with some of those packs too.
If rumors are true I would rather the line end and not be picked up by another company cause no one could do it better honestly. Jada would take forever and they would only crank out characters we already got from Legends, plus I think Jada's figures are mid so it wouldn't be better than the Mafex Marvel stuff, cause that's something Jada glazers seem to forget that other companies put out better stuff. McFarlane is the one I'm tired of hearing about because it doesn't make sense, how is Todd gonna put out 7inch figures of a rival studio? Not only that but Diamond Select already makes 7 inch Marvel figures so it's competition with itself and Warner Bros. It would honestly just be redundant if another company got the Marvel license and like you said, do we really wanna start over again? With a massive line like Marvel Legends? With characters and figures we don't even see be attempted by import companies? Given how great these last few years have been with Legends I can't see them dropping the license, maybe changing the contract up a bit so we get less MCU figures and better comic figures but they would be crazy to drop Legends entirely.
What's crazy is I REALLY like the Jada figures, but a good amount of their fans seem to think they could immediately step up and crank out anywhere near the amount of figures from Marvel or DC like Hasbro, Mattel or McFarlane. McFarlane's license for DC was extended through 2025 so that's why they're talking about him getting Marvel.
I'm a 4 inch guy so hasbro already lost me, legends just recycled marvel universe designs, but those designs are just about out of figures, so they've gotten even lazier. Not to mention distribution is still trash. Hasbro is screwing up everywhere. Figures is over
I think the consensus of the majority of collectors is shifting to quality over quantity. There was such a glut of figures that have been released since COVID that space and money are now at a premium
That's an interesting point. If those collectors aren't going to buy in to the figures anyway, there's no reason to cater to what they want if you're a Hasbro.
I can't imagine anyone wanting to start over from scratch after 20 plus years... it's weird to me people would root for this
It is WILD to me too. But I'm thinking a lot of these folks would come up with another reason why they wouldn't support whatever company would get it next.
@@n8dawgaic apart from new fans. 🤔
@@kuldipbinning1989 That would absolutely make sense, but that isn't where I hear the majority of this sentiment
@@LylesFigureFiles They might just want an excuse to stop. This hobby can be draining, but we're hooked
I live in the South. Legends are hard to find out here. My one complaint about Legends is their scarcity! They aren't rare figures! They are just hard to obtain. Some of the recent characters like Power Princess, Cable, Warbird and Cyclops were just hard to get at retail. I can't find figures to complete build-a-figures because of distribution issues. That shouldn't happen in a line this old! That's frustrating for new and old collectors alike
I have the same issue. The only store I live near now that sells new baf waves and deluxe stuff is GameStop, and it’s extremely hit or miss. Regular figures should never be hard to find.
@BoogSReviews Amen to that! It's frustrating to have money and still not be able to get the figures u want because they are sold out/ never in stock and u don't want to overpay on the secondary market 😒
amazon gamestop and big bad toy store have preorder if not for them id have nothing
Power Princess and Cable were really hard to get for everyone. Have there been some you couldn't get online?
@@BoogSReviews I agree about that for sure. And exclusives shouldn't be hard to find at that particular retailer either!
Imagine Mcfarlane with the license. You would just get 90 versions of the same spider man and an occasional iron man in every wave.
I feel like some folks assume some magical company is going to do everything Hasbro has done just 10x better and that hope is better than the reality of the situation.
You just described what Hasbro does already.
@@sowintoyouat least Hasbro actually makes women
@@Cenazinosaur04 but they use outdated body bucks with limited articulation. Hasbro is lazy.
@@sowintoyou it’s better than no women
I couldn’t even imagine 20+ years and you’re starting over. I hope this never happens, hasbro just needs to make better decisions, but we’ll see what happens in the future.
What decisions would you like to see them make?
@ somehow figure out their distribution problem. Figure out their pricing, and lack of accessories because we’re not getting that many depending on the character.
My only problem with Marvel Legends is that instead of getting more unreleased characters faster, we keep getting more Caps, Ironmans, Dpidermans, Wolverines, etc, but I know that’s never gonna change
It's for those newcomers to the line to have their crack at the big guns.
For newcomers and it there best sellers
Just like McFarlane with Batman. He sells and pays for other figures to be developed
Those characters sell the most/best so Hasbro have to rely on them to compensate for the figures they have to make but know won't sell like Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Panther 2, Agatha etc.
@@glennmiller6759 I feel u. When u have been collecting for 20 years or longer, you crave some new characters to liven up your collection. It's crazy that the toy designers from every toy company swears they are collectors too but they very rarely give fans the new never released characters.
I know some collectors have visions of Jada Toys dancing in their head, but the most likely outcome of Hasbro losing the Marvel license is having it go to McFarlane. If you want 7” figures of Storm, Psylocke, and Jean Gray on a repainted Rogue buck for $30, have at it.
Don't forget that Todd would also give you the same figure in 20 different repaints with no accessories and still charge you $29.99 just because the figure is in a new box.
don't worry, todd hardly ever does female figures. look forward to the 240th wolverine repaint, red and purple wolverine, gold label, wal mart exclusive
The Jada Toys crowd pushing for ML confuses me. They haven't done nearly the kind of output of Street Fighters that would come close to satisfying them for a Marvel-based property. Let them excel with manageable licenses instead of an all-consuming one like Marvel.
All of Todd's male figures look like they have Down's Syndrome! They all look goofy and the R word!
The license itself may specific the size at this point. Remember when it went from Toybiz to Hasbro they had to maintain the same form factor. Also McFarlane is following the prior Kenner form factor for his DCAU figures. I believe he was asked to by WB. So if he gets Marvel he will likely be locked in at 6".
One thing hasbro does right that many don’t talk about is that hasbro really highlights an shows love to obscure characters
Like they do the popular ones but they give the sane attention to b c an even d list characters many companies don’t take that gamble
Exactly. The Serpent Society, Xnemu, Supreme Scientist. So many offball characters we wouldn't get from another company.
I feel like this happens to so many lines. Right when they really start to improve, they get cancelled. It happened to DC Icons, DC Universe Classics, and now it could happen to Hasbro. I hope the rumors aren’t true, as I really do enjoy the GOOD Hasbro figures. Plus, I don’t like mixing lines, as I like consistency between my figures.
I think Hasbro could get most of the essential characters done in 2 years with a focus on waves and 5-6 box sets.
OMFG DC icons are incredible. I was absolutely heart broken when they got cancelled! I love them so much but I wish they didn’t break like dry spaghetti so easily.
I’d hate to see Hasbro lose the license. What I want from Hasbro is a little more speed in completing various teams instead of endless variants of Spiderman, Wolverine, and iron man. And I love all three of those characters.
Yeah, team completion is absolutely and should be a priority at this stage. I still get annoyed with the holes in my DC Classics line.
Looking at my Marvel Legends collection, here's a short list of characters I have figures for that no other company has made figures of:
-Dani Moonstar [w/Karma head]
-Moira MacTaggart
-Monet
-Legion
-Boom-Boom
-Syrin
-Clea
-The Stepford Cuckoos
-Kate Bishop
-Destiny
-Bastion
-Prime Sentinels
-Omega Sentinel
-Pretty Boy
-Skullbuster
-Lilandra
-Donald Pierce
-Sebastian Shaw
-Selene (alt head for Black Queen)
That seems shorter than I expected. Oh! You said in YOUR collection!
I want an updated "Mole man".
Me too!
hell yea
Man, I for one hope Hasbro keeps the license
You're not the only one!
I dont want Hasbro to lose the license.
I just want them to make better figures, thats it really.
I think they've been doing much better the last two years even with the occasional flawed release.
As someone thats been collection marvel figures since the original secret wars, I remember in the mid 90s wishing I had even 70% of the characters in scale and in the costumes I wanted. Fast forward to hasbro since about 2017 to now It's dream land, loads of 80s and and 90s characters and costumes animated series looks. If you grew up in the late 80s/90s Hasbro has made the best marvel line for you. Sure I still want more stuff like a new Wrecking Crew 4 pack with bodys and colors simular to the mU 3.75 line and I want Spider-man animated series Chameleon,Blade and others but it would be insane to want someone else to get marvel at this point. (Start over no thank you!) I want at least another 10 years of legends.
Exactly. They're so much further along to being done than any other company could dream of!
Hasbro needs to keep the Marvel license. I have been very vocal on my dislikes of Hasbro's mistakes, but I have also given them well-deserved credit for improvements they've made. Hasbro isnt so bad where they need to lose the license.
Yeah no line is perfect and Hasbro's ML misses have been rarer than their hits lately.
Hasbro has gotten lazy and as a result, their figures have gone stale. How can you put out 100 Spider-Man figures with no toe articulation. Also, they continually repaint outdated bucks from ten years ago but think they compensate by making them pinless. No new sculpt, same articulation but higher prices. Ideally, Jada Toys should have the license but they are far too new to take on the task. Therefore, Hasbro really needs to step it up.
I hope Jada never disappoints its fan base at this rate.
@ they will but they have a ways to go. They are still at the excited phase of their work. McFarlane and Hasbro are just phoning it in.
Took a close look at my Kraven the Hunter that just came in the mail. Same old Cap legs and boots, just repainted. Definitely getting the most out of their molds. 😅😅😅
There are rumors that Hasbro is going to give up the Disney License, even more shocking there is a rumor that Hasbro wants to sell off the entire toy divison and only do Wizards of the Coast. Sounds crazy but I keep hearing it from folks who are semi accurate and have sources. I think even if not true, we are in for a major shake up in 2025.
Competition is always good. If it wasn't for McFarlane and others lighting them up they would doing the same rehash
Whatever it takes to get good to great figures out there, I'm on board with!
First of all, Giant-Man kicking Egghead had me weak! 😆😂
1000% agree with you Jeff, No one else is going to give us the depth of Marvel's roster. Yes, Hasbro has made some questionable choices, but they have also made some guaranteed bangers. I for one do not want to start over. Now, I will get the occasional Mafex or Mezco for ultimate versions of some of my favorite characters but overall, Hasbro is putting in the work.
Now, if we're talking DC, I am all on board with someone like Jada Toys getting the license for 6" scale DC figures. I love what they're doing with Street Fighter and I think they could do a great job. Before people think I'm hating on McFarlane, nothing says they have to stop making 7" scale DC; WB can just let Jada get the 6" scale. The same thing happens already with Diamond Select 7"/Hasbro 6" right now.
Also, Let's not forget Jada is doing Scooby Doo and we all know Scooby and DC have the same parent company, soooo...
LOL. Completely impromptu, but those sometimes make for the best video moments :-)
Exactly. If another company can upgrade a ML figure then let's do it, but Hasbro needs to be the main source of our Marvel figures because they've done sooo many figures at this point.
I love my Jada figures, but I think they'd handle DC like Mafex handles the DC Comics license.
Id rather have fewer figures of well known characters than tons of obscure characters that are subpar quality. Hasbro cant even get Spiderman right most of the time, whether its a movie or comic figure ( the Tobey figure is atrocious, or Magneto or Cap, but thankfully we have a Tarantula figure....
@@tonileo9849why not just collect Mafex then?
As someone who has close to 500 figures the very thought of someone else taking over is enough to likely make me think of that day comes a large part of my collecting days could be over.
For sure. I'm sure I'm right there with you with that number and I have no interest in restarting
I m not your typical ml collector. Currently I only own a few, and have all of the ml characters I desire. I wish luck to all who desire full teams. X-men and Avengers completists are in an eternal struggle. Any goal that makes you happy is worthwhile, especially in these crazy times.
(Collector fist bump) You understand it perfectly my friend!
I do not want Hasbro to lose Marvel Legends line .
I wish they had the DC line .
Well, maybe if they lost ML they'd grab DC?
Every company should be allowed to have the property. Makes companies compete. Competition creates great products. Monopolies makes dull over priced turds
Between Mafex, Marvel Select, Mezco, Hono Studios, Sideshow and Hot Toys it seems like a lot of companies already are getting a crack at the property.
I bought almost the entire Disney Plus Hasbro line of Marvel figures from Ollie's. All I am missing is Kingpin, but all the figures that had a BAF piece, I got all of those. Still have not found squat at any Ross store, but I have found a lot of good figures at Ollie's.
Ollie's has been great for picking up figures!
If Bobby Vala is right, and he worked there and knows people there still, Marvel Star Wars are done at Hasbro, and Hasbro has made an offer for the DC License as it is a lot cheaper than the Disney License. He said that is way a lot of stuff for major HasLabs or product hasn’t been shown off since it would extend beyond 2025…the year both licenses end at Hasbro
I suppose they could always just extend the license on both ends :-)
@@randallguzik3764 I take everything he says with a grain of salt. He’s such a bitter ex.
Well if Bobby Vala says it, it must be true. Bobby Vala is a jackass and every time he opens his mouth we understand why he's not at Hasbro. I'm curious what friends he actually has there, since all he does is bitch about Lenny or Dwight. I couldn't see Dan or Ryan wanting anything to do with him.
@@Slaytanica666COPE!!
@@Slaytanica666LOL another “has-bro”. I bet you’re a huge “Spector Creative” and “Diaper Island” Stan? Lol
If being “bitter” leads to starting and running your own successful company, then everyone should be “bitter”.
On a separate note, are there any Marvel characters with a vehicle lineup like Batman? McFarlane has put out around twenty 6 and 7 inch scale vehicles this year alone with most of them being Batman related, some are DC Direct rereleases but still. Meanwhile Hasbro drips and drabs with GI Joe Classified.
No, not on the level of Batman. The Fantastic 4 might be the closest?
I stumbled upon this video by accident. I really enjoyed your conversation. You make great points and are obviously passionate about the Marvel Legends line. I agree wholeheartedly and enjoyed hearing a rational and intelligent debate instead of some of these “shock jock influencers”. Subscribing!
I appreciate the stumble and the kind words! Welcome to the party and don't be a stranger in the comments and live chats! :-)
Considering how Hasbro handles its own licenses, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they dropped the Marvel and Disney licenses
You're not feeling how they're handling GI Joe and Transformers?
My cousin has been collecting figures for decades now and he used the excuse of hasbro buying the license as a good stopping point in his collection of marble legends.
Really? Hasbro has done better figures than 90% of the Toy Biz ones.
@ that also was his response something like 10 years ago when I asked him. It was around the Thor Alfather wave
I'm glad Hasbro has started to scale the Marvel Legends figures better. I really liked their Endgame Worthy Cap figure, but he looks tiny next to a lot of other Marvel Legends figures. Which is kind of a thing you don't even notice when they're in the box. Only when you get them out of the package and start to pose/display them together.
Is it that way with the other MCU figures or the comic book ones?
If we don’t want them to lose the license how can we get to them to fix some things, the gummy legs, joints, prices…. I still don’t understand how mcfarlane figures cost less. I also wouldn’t want to start over with a new company… but Jada looks like they’re on the right track
McFarlane figures are way worse than Marvel Legends figures IMO. I think it's pretty clear that Todd's passion is statues, not action figures. Bad articulation, bad anatomy, and bas scaling between the figures is enough for me to prefer Hasbro over McFarlane
Prices aren't coming down. Have you had much problem with gummy legs lately? I'm finding less issues with QC with my newer MLs.
Yea some of the newer ones I’m not to big of a fan on the plastic they’re using. They are looking better
@@juansanchez209they might not look as good as legends but if you put that aside and look at what’s there as far as plastic used and how many parts of articulation they’re about the same, different execution….. but also look at the sculpt detail compared to smooth plastic with paint
Very curious to know why you all think that if another company had the license to do these figures, they wouldn't do the "deep dives". Where's your evidence for that?
Evidence? It's not a court case, just kinda the obvious. New company with the license is going to want to do all the big names before getting risky and doing the C-list fringe characters.
Yeah I'm not seeing that either. I would think a new company would do some of the same things hasbeen did, the bigger names and then 1-2 "obscure" characters, and as they move on, do a few more. No reason not to do "deep dives" because frankly collectors have been wanting Hasbenn to do more than The Usual Suspects. They also have been dragging for YEARS to get teams completed, no reason for that. Look at Inhumans. By the time they get to the full Royal Family they have to re-do the few they already did because now they're outdated. I really don't think they're gonna lose it, but it would be great if a new company took over and gave us what we want.
Seriously...i believe that there is ZERO CHANCE that Hasbro will lose the Marvel Legends license!
Also im very happy that you mentioned that OIL PRICES have a HUGE effect on Marvel Legends prices...so many naive collectors believe ALL price increases are the result of GREED..
I know that at the beginning of November, gas was comfortably under $3. Now it's $3.25.
It's not a case of them losing the license, it's that they don't want the license anymore because they want to get out of the toy game altogether.
@@LylesFigureFiles I just wanted to point out that oil prices DO have an effect toy prices..& it's more likely than than greed.
Anyways keep up the great work brother
Looking forward to more of your Marvel Legends reviews 👑
Ok the reason why they used the same head sculpt is because Hasbro is lazy that’s kinda it and they don’t care about improving
DA Warbird aside, they've done really well with most of the 2024 releases. Odin certainly isn't a lazy release.
@ I mean it kinda is in some degree because they apparently didn’t care enough to actually paint the gold but instead they molded it or whatever you call it
I AGREE 💯!.
There's WAY too much Marvel Legends HATE.
I' only collect Marvel Legends & im NOT a fan of Mafex... Mezco..etc etc..& one of the MAIN reasons is the fact that you mentioned .. that Marvel Legends makes all the OBSCURE Marvel Comics characters that they make..i GUARANTEE that NO OTHER line would EVER make 👑..
They earned the hate. Incompetence, laziness, over priced greed. They won't get sizes right, they won't make the females look right. Too many of ya'll simpin' for has BLOW. I don't think they'll lose the license anytime soon but they deserve to.
The wild thing is there are other options to buy "better" Marvel figures. Expecting the mass market one to deliver the same quality as higher end companies doesn't make much sense to me.
Yeah. I have no desire to pay three figures for one character, no matter how much I may like it.
just happy to have my favorite 80's character Death's Head 1 (culd have been vac metalized, But small complaint. ) and I got lucky enough to get my other favorite 80's DC from Mc Farline Ambush Bug. My inner child was so happy. I agree with you Hasbro is the best place for the license. I'm just happy to have my favorites within a month of each other.
That's really cool. Got 'em both in 2024!
@@LylesFigureFiles definately, . I've had a bad last few years with medical I needed a bright spot.
@@noamchoseed9665 I can understand on the medical front for sure. Hope you're doing better now!
@@LylesFigureFiles Still alive, that's all that matters
Death's Head 1 and Ambush Bug? You have impeccable taste!
The fact remains that Hasbro is a company with a BoD and they make all the calls on how much time and money get put into the toys. Watch some of Bobby Valas videos. He did one recently about the Marvel Universe line and he made the Beast and was limited on the stuff he could do; no articulation, no accessories, no extras. He goes in depth a few times. The board makes the rules and profit takes precedent over innovation, quality and even employee intake
Maybe Bobby V could pick up the Marvel license?
Given the lazy and incompetent work Hasbro has done on many figures, I wouldn’t shed a tear if they lost the license.
What do you collect for your Marvel figures? Mafex? Marvel Select? Hot Toys?
As always, love the fair and balanced viewpoint, man 👍🏾
Thanks so much! Always try to bring that with the videos.
I love the legends team because unlike most other toy creative team on the scale of Hasbro they actually listen and take criticism well. They take into account what people say and they take time to listen to us fans via interviews. We’ve seen time and time again when creators hold them accountable and ask the hard hitting questions and they roll with it. We don’t really get that level of attention and care from other representatives of other toy lines outside of Hasbro. This work because they are actually people passionate about what they do and not just mindless corporate stooges. Dan, Ryan, Dwight actually care about our criticisms
I definitely appreciate the ML team listening to our feedback. I would certainly also add in Steve Ozer aka Action Figure Attack over at Mattel. He takes time out of his off-hours time to respond to fan criticism and provide some insight into creative decisions for the WWE line.
Slow down, buddy!!!!Comic book Hawkeye is taller than Captain America Steve Rogers! Comic book Hawkeye should be on the Vulcan body for accurate scaling. Most people don't care but MCU Clint Barton is the short king. The Hasbro Legends team doesn't use the Marvel Handbook as the standard for figure heights otherwise the Renew Your Vows Spider-Man would be much smaller. Most Spider-Man figures are too tall for 5'10" Peter Parker.
Whew. Serves me right for doing a video without having the Marvel Encyclopedia in front of me. ;-)
Hasbro Legends has some problems. The main one being that many or even most Legends fans also collect Classified GI Joe, and naturally there are comparisons being made. Legends is NOTORIOUS for skimping on accessories while Classified is known for having many killer accessories. That's a fact. It's unfair to compare the two lines though, because Legends has been up front about things. It all comes down to budget, and I don't think that Legends has the budget that the Classified line has--especially since Hasbro owns GI JOE outright, they aren't dependent on Disney budgets or decision making getting in the way of things where GI JOE is concerned. That means they have more leeway to do the characters up right. Unfortunately, Legends doesn't have that luxury. It makes things frustrating for fans and collectors who want things like extra heads and hands with figures. I don't like that we didn't get an extra Rogue head with the white stripes on both sides of her head, or that we didn't get a Siryn screaming head, but I understood that we didn't get those because of budgetary concerns. I can totally forgive Legends because of that. I'm far less forgiving about their choices of characters though. We've gotten tons of X-Men, Spider-Man and Avengers stuff since Hasbro took over. I want to see characters in the Marvel Universe who have not received representation get figures. I want to see classic comic book looks. Those are things that I want as a fan. Legends has done better with this recently. I mean we did finally get Rogue in her original look--even if it didn't have the extra head we wanted. We got Crystal and Lockjaw. I'd have preferred a Kirby style Lockjaw, but I knew they'd never do that. We're getting a classic looking Dragon Man. Classic looking Sentinels. I mean, Marvel Legends has been trying. You have to give them that. I just wish they'd stop doing '90s gimmicks like Cap shields that aren't complete shields. I wish they'd do more accurate classic stuff like giving Thor the classic Mjolnir, or Jean Gray her classic wavy hair instead of giving us modern revisionist stuff.
If I wanted to see Legends go to another company, I wouldn't know who would have the facility to do better than Hasbro. I am often disappointed with Hasbro Legends line-ups, but I'm not as often disappointed with their execution. They've improved over the years. They even redid their Magik figure to give us one that was pin-less with legs that weren't bent like Beckum. They're trying. I can see that. I'm not thrilled with half of this years announced figures, but the other half I'm digging. Dude! We're getting a classic comic book ROM figure!! I'm sticking with Legends for the time being. I'm just getting too old to be waiting on characters that I wanted since 2016 without any hope of getting. Can't believe they aren't giving us a Yellowjacket...
I'd be SHOCKED if we don't see Yellowjacket soon at this rate.
The problem is, they have the molds to reuse accessories like hands and stuff. Every figure should have a set of open, fisted, and grappling hands. They already have the molds and reuse parts all the time, so a few extra hands wouldn’t hurt.
Classified make more money per figure than Marvel Legends as Hasbro don't have to pay disney a license for G.I Joe so they have more profits from Classified they can put into extra weapons and accessories. Though I feel Marvel don't need the accessories like G.I Joe do who rely on their military weapons. Most marvel characters have a super power not a weapon.
I dont collect Marvel Legends anymore stopped when they started focusing on Movie version I pick up random fig to fill holes in what I have but very selective , But hasbro had done a solid job on line not like anyone else going to make a superior product.
These last two years have been great with so little focus on the MCU.
One item picked up the West Coast Avengers Multipack and Black Knight with Sersi another company will not get to those characters or those version for at least a decade at best
@@LylesFigureFiles true has been some nice figures only concern when Marvel finally gets the movies back to coming out on a reg basis going back to them. It is the last 2 years have been a side effect of Covid shutting down hollywood then on top of it the writer strikes have kept the MCU sideline for most part which have helped Hasbro
I've been buying Legends since the early Toybiz days, continued when Hasbro took over (although unfortunately I skipped some of the early stuff as I was not too impressed with their early figs, especially compared to Toybiz), but have been happily buying and collecting most of what came out since then. And living in Europe that has not always been easy, as in the early days Hasbro's global distribution simply sucked. Fortunately for me I got some very good friends and relatives helping me feed my addiction. But since then Hasbro has picked up and now I can buy almost everything I want through retail or Pulse. I've never been big on the MCU, but I love the all the comics stuff , especially the C and D listers, they have released since then. I'm in the middle of moving my whole Legends collection to a new building and I'm baffled by the number of figures they have released, they went so deep and that's exactly what I love about Legends. And that brings me to the topic at heart. While there's definitely been some frustration with Hasbro over the years, no way would I start all over again with another company, not even if it would be a great but unlikely candidate such as Jada Toys. I just wouldn't have the energy nor the money for it anymore. That would be the end of Legends for me. Could you imagine McFarlane taking over and doing everything in 7 inch and giving us like 3 Spider-Man figures in every wave...? No, thanks, I'm good (I didn't' mind too much with DC Multiverse, as I never got into Mattel's DC Classics before). Hasbro could definitely use some kicks in the butt to change their attitude about some things, but in the end I really hope they can and will keep the license!
PS: Love your shirt. :)
PPS: Mafex figs are like $100-125 over here, I can get almost a whole ML wave for that price. Not an alternative as far as I'm concerned. If I'm paying over 100 bucks, I prefer going all the way and buy 12 inch Hot Toys or Sideshow figs, but I'm not spending that much on a 6 inch figure. :s
Yeah, I love the Mafex DC figures since they don't have much of an alternative, but a Marvel Legends figure really balances out with the costs for one figure!
Hasbro has too many brands, they can't successfully manage them all without competing with themselves. Marvel Legends didn't even start from Hasbro it was at Toy Biz. i think people saying they're out if Hasbro loses Marvel, then when they see the new line from someone else they'll probably still be excited. it will be something shiny and new.
Random thought/comment: Was there any recent rumors on a new Yellowjacket?
Still trying to see if that actually did happen or if it was an offhand comment after the HasLab Giant-Man was on display at NYCC 23.
@ OK ty for the reply.
Fantastic video Jeffrey. With a love/hate relationship with ML I discovered your video a great refreshing look at this topic. It would not surprise me if Hasbro loses the Disney license, but with all things considered, it probably won't happen. These 2 corporate giants would not jeopardize a relationship in such a matter. Now that said, it would also not surprise me should Marvel (a part of Disney) adds more clauses to the contract for more control over character selection and design. Thanks for your efforts Jeffrey.
Thanks Jay! It's an interesting discussion for sure. There's been so much in the comments about it, I think I might just need to dedicate the live tomorrow to chatting real time with everyone about it.
Another banger LFF. i was about to comment about the demand, but you started talking about it lol. Other than MCfarlane, (which i dont want) i dont see any company out right now that can keep up with output for marvel. comics, MCU, and like you said the exclusives and haslab type figures.
Thanks so much! Mattel maybe could, but they couldn't keep DC. I can't see them maximizing Marvel to any degree.
Blue Marvel really disappointed me, and it was simply the lack of detail in the hair.
At this point the only figures I’m invested into are AoA and no other line is going to give me the amount of characters that legends have. Sure Mayfex looks better but I’m just more interested in the amount of characters I can get over the small improvements in just a couple characters. That’s just my opinion.
I’m willing to give a little grace because they are trying to please multiple different types of collectors and some of these failures are unacceptable, I don’t need to start over just to complete teams that I already have completed.
The biggest issue with me is accessories, if they just do a better job at giving us accessories that display characters powers I can see less criticism. The price isn’t coming down and Hasbro have to be more aware of giving fans more bang for their buck.
Don't downplay your opinion, my friend. It's just as valued as everyone's here.
I would like to see them mix up the accessories some more too!
I agree .
One thing that should make everyone want Hasbro to keep the Marvel line is the fact that we'll have to start all over again .
If soneone else takes over they'll make the big name heroes first .
We'll never see some of the heroes we're seeing now .
Forget Martow , ROM , the Beyonder , all the rare characters .
Gone for years because theyll be making the well known heroes first.
All the A and B listers we already have .
Plus all the Hasbro figures may not match up with a new companies figures .
Id love it if Hasbro got DC too .
Why does McFarlane makes his line at 7 inch scale?
He started at 7" and I suppose he just wanted to make his DC figs compatible with his Spawn figures?
The only problem I have with Hasbro is they simply do not put the same amount of effort into Marvel Legends as they do GI Joe or Star Wars…. they just don’t…. It’s an overall lazy overpriced line with no real effort put into it…. with one or two exceptions here and there…. for comparison Jada Toys Street Fighter and Mattel Masterverse blows just about anything Hasbro Marvel Legends produces out of the water and for a lower price point…. I mean compare Masterverse Two Bad at 35 bucks and everything that came with him to a 65+ dollar Odin or Hulkbuster…. the biggest issue with Hasbro is the price to product quality ratio with Marvel Legends…. they are just way overpriced for what Hasbro is giving us….
Mafex puts out high end Marvel figures. Diamond Select puts out quality figures. You don't have to buy anything from Hasbro and avoid feeling like they're ripping you off.
Imagine mcfarlane gets the marvel license. Jokerized wolverine will be a dream come true! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nooooo! With that McFarlane diaper! 😂😂😂😂
No, it would be Venom-ized ;-)
Great vid Jeffrey. I agree that Hasbro should keep the license. Yes, they have some issues, but they undeniably continue to improve. The sheer range and deep cuts that I have in my collection is appreciated along with the teams that are slowly being completed.
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Again, I can recognize the need for improvement (number of accessories, head sculpts, some scaling ,etc.), but have to recognize the vast improvements including pinless male and female bodies, face printing and retro waves that give us great figs like She-Hulk, original Iron Man, a great Giant-Man, and the S.H.I.E.L.D. 3pk to name a few.
Thank you! They're making less mistakes now and really dialing in I think to limiting the legacy issues they keep fighting.
Absolutely right on the "definitive" version of figures. All these new X-Men figures that have come out, and I still stick with the Love Triangle 3-pack for Wolverine, Jean, and Cyclops.
Only time I buy doubles is when I want to compare between companies like Juggernaut, Thanos, Ice Man, and Hulk from Marvel Legends vs Marvel Select. Then I pick one for the collection and sell the other.
Which ones have won out with Juggernaut, Thanos, Iceman and Hulk for you?
Well, maybe Hasbro doing all You're "wanted-lists" is part of the problem:
From a business perspective, licensing a brand always has two aspects: On the one hand simply the license fees, but on the other hand also the desire to achieve marketing effects for your own branded products through the licensed products. Those are - for Disney/Marvel - films and comics, both of which are very neglected by Hasbro, who at least today is above all recreating old toylines and makes figures from video games or comics from the 90s and before. Those have only minor marketing effects for Disney (apart from some omnibus reprints of older comics). In terms of films and shows you have to notice: Too little, too late and with a bad flair (f.e. a whole wave for Eternals and Ant Man 3, not a single figure for GotG holiday special, one side charakter for Werewolf by Night A YEAR LATER, D&W four months later). Thus might make Disney reconsider either if Hasbro is still the right licensing partner or the amount of license fees (since the missing marketing effects have to be recouped through the fees), which in turn could be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Hasbro and make them skip the license.
Well it’s working out for both of them apparently since they’re working on the 2026 lineup.
@@LylesFigureFiles Of course they do. Everything else would be economic suicide. As there are production lead times of app. two years you have to prepare your production in case you get the license. If you don't get the license, you can always sell them to the new licensee, who would otherwise be without products for two years. Same that happend 2007 when Hasbro took over the license from ToyBiz (in the first "Hasbro"-waves were even simple repaints of ToyBiz figures. So Hasbro just working in advance doesn't proof anything.
Mcfarlane was the best thing to happen to DC MULTIVERSE PERIOD
We certainly are getting some fun additions to the DC Universe through McFarlane.
Hasbro has gotten really good at what they do of late like you said. They seemed almost clueless at first when they first took over the line but it’s night and day now. I’d hate to see them lose the license.
They are really making good on so many figures as of late now!
Look at the bright side. If hasbro looses the license, these salty collectors will have nothing felt to cry about
Oh, I'm surrre they'll find something else to gripe about.
The thing is... the "Marvel license" entails a lot. Legends is only a part of what Hasbro produces under that license. Same with "Star Wars." I know a lot of Legends collectors think they're the center of the universe... but it probably isn't the case. Can Hasbro carve off "just 6-inch comic figures" from the Marvel license and drop the rest? So they don't have to produce unsellable "roleplay" accessories for 10-year-olds who aren't buying them? Maybe. Or maybe by having the "Marvel license" they are mandated by the licenser to make toys for various age brackets, and figures from the D+ shows. Etc. That stuff is dragging them down, financially. Given Mattel holds a portion of the Star Wars license, and even McF is doing some Marvel stuff, maybe Hasbro can get out from under the kids-toys part of the brand and put more money and effort into the collectors' line.
I wonder if they could off load that portion or if those products help the bottom line more than we think?
I'm rooting for Hasbro to keep the line. Especially with the new body molds they've created; Vulcan, Cable She-Hulk ect. I'm hoping they update the comic versions of Deadpool body though. Those bodies are most for the time small, in size and muscle against a Spiderman figure.
Agreed on Deadpool. Seems like they've sized him up a bit so he should be bigger/thicker than Spider-Man.
I don’t think Hasbro should lose the license. I feel like Hasbro should be putting more effort into making their figures better. there’s no reason why in 2024 we have figures who have elbows and kneecaps that are completely different colors than the rest of their arms and legs, why we still have fuzzy paint in the faces, why we still have limited accessories with figures, especially for how much they’ve hiked up the prices in the past five years. there’s no reason why the Haslab giant man came out and damn near every single review that I’ve seen on it has a defect with them not receiving the tray with straight eyes. why we’re getting “deluxe” figures that are 50+ dollars that aren’t worth that. Like Phoenix being $50 bc of a stand or Crystal and a damn near statue of lockjaw being almost EIGHTY dollars. The problem is a lot of big content creators in the action figure community are in Hasbro’s pockets so they don’t hold Hasbro accountable. They glaze and kiss ass no matter what Hasbro team does so Hasbro doesn’t think they need to step up their game and continues to give us mediocrity because they know that the voices of the community are never going to speak up and say anything because they want to continue to get figures to reveal and review early.
I wonder if as many content creators get early/free figures from Hasbro as you might think.
I think it's a lot more that collectors who are content creators buy figures they assume they'll like. You could buy things you have never liked and build a decent following explaining why the figures are terrible, but I think most people who take the time doing these videos are inherently bias simply because they like the line not because they're hoping for free figures.
Give it time mcfarlane will in some point and time he will start a marvel line of action figures I put money on it they will give him the ok to do 7inch scale diamond select figures
It will be McFarlane diamond select marvel figures sad thing is for all of us that has every marvel legends will have to start all over again to scale with the dc multiverse figures
He’s already doing the marvel statues just a matter of time before he start doing figures for marvel
And you thought the people complaining about his 7" DC figures was something...
Totally agree. It's only a matter of time 💪🏻
Let me just get all the figures I need first then Hasbro can drop the license. No new manufacturer can/will touch the depth and scope of that many characters. No way I'm buying all these characters all over again.
I'm right there with you. Keep 'em coming Hasbro!
If the time comes that ML will leave hasbro and go to another toy company, they will restart everything again. It's good for new collectors.. but I don't wanna go through restarting the collection again. Also, despite the fact that they release multiple figures of the same characters, I like the fact that they release figures of characters who are Y or Z list characters.. That's a big plus for me. Way back when DCUC was around, I love that I can mix n match them with my ML, since they are both 6 inch figures.. but now, with Todd having the DC line in 7 inch, its not working for me.
I always found my ML figures from Hasbro to be a noticeable step up in quality to work that well with my DC Classics figures.
But Lyles Hasbro is a billion dollar company they deserve critical criticism to make the brand better and they have made some amazing figures in the past 2 years but the cut corner ways has to stop, the Haslab stuff should have better QR there have been issues with Sentinel and Giant man and shouldn’t be the case especially when it takes a year to make, my 2 cents keep up the great work
@@clarkeant Agreed, it boggles my mind sometimes that collectors can be so quick to defend a huge corporation sometimes even against their own interests.
Hasbro is not some magical and unique entity, other companies are able to do the job just fine. Bandai and Spinmaster come to mind.
Watch that Head's Up video. I have zero problems calling Hasbro, Mattel, McFarlane, etc. any company out when they need some "guidance" on how to improve the figures.
@LMoon83 my interest is in my extensive Marvel Legends collection, not Hasbro. I'm not sure how I'm defending them when in the last ML video I mentioned how they mess up too often on head sculpts.
@@LylesFigureFiles point taken. I’m just think this goes beyond the quality and price of their own figures, but their anti consumer practices.
Their Star Wars 6” line is overpriced with awful articulation and no accesories, and they actively block import figures from getting official distribution on this side of the world.
Sincerely, as far as I’m concerned, screw Hasbro.
I get that you have a collection and history that supersedes most, as a company Hasbro has given us a lot and we all appreciate it and see the potential of what the company can do but they have to button up on the Walmart, Target, and Walgreen exclusive madness which makes it hard to get key figures, also the reuse of old bodies like sunfire, spiderman UK, and Bucky cap. All figures should have double joints and butterfly joints and classified is doing it and more effects and head sculpts… and I’d be less critical but they are so close just practicing bad business practices
Unfortunately, it looks like Hasbro is divesting of making toys altogether. They are dumping off their own IP to other toy companies, which is why I'm scared for Gi Joe. But, for Star Wars and other licenses they currently produce, it may just be a matter of time until they drop them. They are going the route of a digital and IP holding company.
I'm wondering how many more Star Wars figures I absolutely HAVE to have. Transformers is getting close to being wrapped up for me, but GI Joe and Marvel Legends still have a ton of figures left on my wish lists!
Ive only bought 2 figures from hasbro this year. They need to stop with the bs 2 packs and 3 packs that have 1 figure we want. And they need to stop cutting corners at every turn. Till then, ill stick to actually good figures like mafex, mezco, three zero, sentinel etc.
That's impressive you've only bought two ML figs this year.
@LylesFigureFiles to be fair, Joytoy has been knocking it out of the park with thier Warhammer line and it's hard enough to keep up. I've been trying my best however and it has forced me to shift directions with my collecting
Agreed, Mafex is killing it
We definitely need a 1970s Ms. Marvel with belly-exposing costume.
:-) I hope that's still an option.
Why not??
Jadatoys would be better :v
Ummm...
Jada Toys is a small company, they can't afford the Marvel license (Disney IPs are notorious for having INSANE licensing fees). People who imaging Jada Toys making Marvel figures are living in a fantasy land. It's simply not possible
@@juansanchez209you know thier ins and outs huh?
@@trevormcguire6984 Yes, to an extent. Both Jada Toys and I are based in Southern California (more specifically, we are both in the LA Metropolitan Area), so I have spoken to Jun and other members of the team for media purposes. In case you were unaware, Jada Toys is a relatively small (but growing!) private company as opposed to a major publicly traded corporation like Hasbro
Believe me, I am one of Jada Toys' biggest fans and supporters, but I am also a realist. I have an idea of what Disney charges for the Marvel license (the Star Wars license is even more!), and (respectfully) it is WAY more than Jada Toys can afford in their current state
@@juansanchez209 i understand licenses fees must be horrible
But that doesn't mean Hasbro has to do bad articulation and sculpts :v
The problem is not the Marvel line it's Hasbro as a company doing dodgy company things. And I feel for the guys working there that just want to make excellent toys. But haslabs where the customer has to fund the toy then deal with a tear system with crap we don't want or the thing we do want is locked behind the final tear. And over priced. And then you finally get your super expensive figures either late or bad quality.
They are currently in a class action law suit where they lost the investors nearly a billion dollars with stock piling stock during covid to inflate prices and cause artificial demand. Only problem is they hoarded too much stock that didn't sell that's now being sold below retail. And it was the investors who paid for that stock.
Yes the 3d photo real heads are amazing. But those figures you named now, for everyone of those unique sculpts is a hundred bare bucks with painted on uniform and one set of hands. For every one nightcrawler we got a 100 wolverines.
Taking all these issues together and the drop in sales and stock, I'm not sure they can afford the Disney Marvel license anymore. And like I said it's not the employees fault. It's senior management who has no love for the product, they only see us as cows to be milked.
I would rather pay $50 and get exactly what I want and more. Than gamble with $25 and hope I get something good. Or paying $150 for 6 shitty figures to get 2 good ones in a BAF wave.
Sadly, I think you could make that upper management complaint about far too many companies these days.
I'd be more willing to start over if McFarlane loses the DC license and gives it to another company. I'm a simple man. All I really want are 6 inch DC action figures that scale with Hasbro's Marvel Legends (in terms of size & articulation). It'd be interesting to see Hasbro get DC, but personally I'd love to see Jazwares try their hand at making a 1/12 scale Batman or Superman. Their AEW line proves that they can do fun and exciting things with the DC license.
You must not have had the quality control issues that I've had with my AEW figures.
Hope Hasbro doesn't lose the licence. Although I don't love everything they do, I recently picked up the retro carded venom and it's amazing good video 😁👍
Thank you. I love that Retro Venom too! Really strong figure!
Can’t another company create Marvel figure in the 1/12 scale but not under the Marvel Legends banner? Like if Marvel decide they want more money, they can issue the IP to another company. Like sometime we see SHF or Figma do them. I think it’s good to start from zero. I’m a late collector so I don’t have 1,000+ ML.
That makes sense. MAFEX makes great starter figures for a new Marvel Legends collection. Do you not like them or Mezco?
I admit I do not collect Marvel Legends as a focus. My Marvel stuff is spread around over a few lines because I grab characters I like. But I agree about if the license moves, the new company will likely start near the beginning with Spider-Man, Cap, etc.
Bought the Cabal pack so I could get a good Taskmaster. How long until new company gets to the West Coast Avengers? The Legends I do have are great, like Sabertooth and the recent Cage and Iron Fist pack. So, I am good with it staying at Hasbro.
Yeah, it would be starting over from scratch and after investing so much into Marvel Legends there's just no way I'd start with another company.
@LylesFigureFiles Right. And like you said they're putting out some bangers. Maybe a miss here or there but perfection is not the expectation.
It's like Black Series. You need someone to keep the license so you can get characters like Pote Snitken or every clone commander.
I also think people are one bad or mediocre figure and they declare it a trend. Lynn Swann may have dropped a ball or two, but you'd still keep passing it to him. I am old and need newer references.
Hasbro is always improving i hope they keep it, if another company take over the new company will start from the begining and release only the most popular, i don't want a restart i started with the begining toybiz wave 1, i don't want to wait another 20 years for characters like the acolytes
Yep and that's the big problem with someone else getting it at this point.
Is it a package deal for them licensing from Disney? Like do they have to get Star Wars and Marvel movies and comics? It would be nice if they could somehow keep doing the comic figs at least. They have to be losing their ass on the MCU and Disney SW stuff.
I think they're separate brands from that sense?
Impossible Man redo six inch fig with attachable hands and arms. A green Ironman hand or a green Thor hammer hand. Rocket launcher hand etc…
I mean, we can say whatever we want, but Disney is the one that will push the button in this case. I was really surprise when Mattel lost DC, a giant company who is indeed the rival of Hasbro.
That's true.
Hasbro has done a decent job with the face sculpts.
They aren't perfect, but they have gotten much better, especially the MCU figures.
Not sure if a sucessor would do that good of a job.
Yeah those MCU sculpts REALLY have improved!
marvel should move to Jada instead. Imagine the qulaity and the price, they could make it with cloth similar to cyberpunk, gambit, thor, dr strange, cloak, dagger etc
Jada couldn't afford that license right now.
Mfs also quick to hate on ML when they have a mid at worst release but get really quite when they drop figures like there doctor strange or astonishing x-men wolverine
And the whole 85th anniversary wave!
Finally someone who makes sense
I appreciate it!
Awesome points! 💯 'Nuff Said!💯 Excelsior 💯!👊🏽💯🍻🔥🙏🏽💯
Thanks, my friend!
Chris cocks ceo of hasbro (formerly of Xbox) says “we are not a toy company” in many interviews. He’s taking the company to mobile apps and gaming cause that’s what he knows which means less money spent on toys and new molds, engineers are forced to be clever to get out good product. The only line that seems to be actively getting attention is the gi joe classified line.
You don't think Transformers is getting any attention?
While I agree with alot of your points the kang throne point kinda goes flat for me for one reason the lex Luthor figure with a throne came out for the standard price point for mcfarlane and is even on sale rn for $10 at bbts so $60 for a smaller figure with a throne is steep
That Luthor throne set came out a while ago. I wonder what he'd charge now? Probably closer to $30 or even $40.
@ good point $30 sounds about right and it might even be labeled a collectors edition if released now
I had most of the 5 inch marvel line, then most of the Toy Biz. I have virtually 70% of the legends. There is no way l could start all over again.
Same. No way I'm switching up.
Never wish bad on anyone… but they act as if they’re on top and can push out mediocre products… they need competition
Competition is ALWAYS good for companies. Helps them step their game up!
Just remind everyone Hasbro is the only figure company to make ultimate Spider-Man figures
:-) I'm sure someone would find some random high-end company that made one LOL
They do more for G.I. Joe and transformer than what they do for marvel legends, yes we got some good ones, but we had to wait for years to complete some set. It just rubs off the wrong way.
I seriously cannot tell you when most of my MLs came out after I get them on my shelf besides say the really amazing ones from the last two years.
Love Legends. I wouldn't want to start over either. And Legends is getting better.
They really are!
Legends are beautiful. I’m always happy when I have one I hand. No company will be perfect and legends is far from bad or even ok.
Exactly, my friend.
Never pay retail people
Unless it's for Cable or Power Princess.
No, the better advice is to never pay scalper prices.
My longtime dream has been for Hasbro to make DC Legends, not for them to lose the Marvel license.
Exactly!!!
People in the comments raving about the depth of character selection is a bit of a reach really considering legends have been about 20+ years. Their not exactly gonna make avengers or xmen remakes every single year, of course there will be obscure characters Also, how do you know other companies wouldnt go deep, or how do you know other companies wouldnt make haslab scale figures? 10 years ago nobody thought hasbro would make a giant galactus but here we are. Personally, i think the action figure world needs a bit of a shake up, if some licenses get swapped around, im game.
Cool, so you'd be on board for McFarlane getting Marvel and shaking the figure world up?
Yes, im ok with that. Granted, im nowhere near a completionist so it wouldnt hurt me as much, i only buy my favourite 5 or 6 characters, so it would be great for another company to tackle a venom or carnage for instance. I know im in the minority as completing teams or figure scale matters little to me. I just want something to look cool on a shelf that looks different to what i already have. Hasbro stuff all looks the same. My shelfs just need freshening up.
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Hasbro needs to shake it up a little. Offer hands and accessory packs. Offer alternate heads in a pack. Give more options to want to keep a figure. Ie. a Spider-Man pack with web lines, more hands, and three heads. I would buy that. A blast effects pack. Something not offered with their figures.
How much more would you want to pay for that?
$15 - $20 depending on what’s offered. A couple of companies offer that. On top of their main offerings. For example Valaverse, I don’t collect his stuff, but he does offer those options. It would save them from not offering them with the figures. You buy a Banshee and they didn’t give you his screaming head and only fists in the main offering. This way, they can give you a screaming head, flying hands and a calm head in an accessory pack. Make a few of them and see if they sell. Then if they do, make more. Their Classifieds line can do with some of those packs too.
If rumors are true I would rather the line end and not be picked up by another company cause no one could do it better honestly. Jada would take forever and they would only crank out characters we already got from Legends, plus I think Jada's figures are mid so it wouldn't be better than the Mafex Marvel stuff, cause that's something Jada glazers seem to forget that other companies put out better stuff. McFarlane is the one I'm tired of hearing about because it doesn't make sense, how is Todd gonna put out 7inch figures of a rival studio? Not only that but Diamond Select already makes 7 inch Marvel figures so it's competition with itself and Warner Bros. It would honestly just be redundant if another company got the Marvel license and like you said, do we really wanna start over again? With a massive line like Marvel Legends? With characters and figures we don't even see be attempted by import companies? Given how great these last few years have been with Legends I can't see them dropping the license, maybe changing the contract up a bit so we get less MCU figures and better comic figures but they would be crazy to drop Legends entirely.
What's crazy is I REALLY like the Jada figures, but a good amount of their fans seem to think they could immediately step up and crank out anywhere near the amount of figures from Marvel or DC like Hasbro, Mattel or McFarlane.
McFarlane's license for DC was extended through 2025 so that's why they're talking about him getting Marvel.
I'm a 4 inch guy so hasbro already lost me, legends just recycled marvel universe designs, but those designs are just about out of figures, so they've gotten even lazier. Not to mention distribution is still trash. Hasbro is screwing up everywhere. Figures is over
Hasbro lost you a long time ago if you're a 4" collector...
Hasbro will never lose the Marvel license
I hope not!
Don't they technically own the Marvel Legends branding?
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And it's weird also because they had the license *before* Disney even bought Marvel.
I think the consensus of the majority of collectors is shifting to quality over quantity. There was such a glut of figures that have been released since COVID that space and money are now at a premium
That's an interesting point. If those collectors aren't going to buy in to the figures anyway, there's no reason to cater to what they want if you're a Hasbro.
@@LylesFigureFiles Good Point. Mafex exists for a reason.
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