Get instant hot water with a Standard Water Heater
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Finally someone who just gets to the point and shows you how its done. Thanks. Excellent!!
thank you.
But what happens if you sleep in and don’t open the tap won’t it build pressure once the bypass valve senes hot water closes then what no one’s there to open the hot tap ??
I understand the dedicated return line the pumps are on the cold inlet with desecrated line from the farthest fixture once it feels hot water in the pump the pump shuts of integrated in the pump
Excellent video! I installed one of these yesterday, followed the video step by step and had no problems. Thank you!
How is it after 2 years ?
Great video I'll install mine tomorrow...I watched several videos, but yours is the best.
I watch several of these do you have the best of anybody explanation and complete and very clear I watched it twice just to make sure, but it seems very simple when you know how plus you made it easy to understand. Thank you.
Thanks bro. I work as a locksmith so im hands on. Good video and i will make this happen at my place, You make it do able!
Well done! Thank you.
Great video and thank you for taking the time🤘🤘🍺🍺🍻
Thank you! Great simple video. I have a problem; when I turn on the water at the stop angle valves, no water flows to the faucets. Something is wrong with the sensor valve, am I missing something?
We have a slab foundation where plumbing installed. Insulated, but probably not but minimum. Our 50 gal builder model has water heater is 8 yrs old. We plan to buy a newer gas model and install because I’m sure that builder model heater won’t last much longer. The gas water heater is located in the garage, elevated 18”, behind a door per code for our state. If the heater fails it will seep water into the bedroom closet next to garage. We had this occur once before and insurance did an inadequate cleaning of carpets and repair. We had toxic mold in the house. Expensive remediation. We waste a lot of water waiting for shower or tub to be filled with warm, then hot water. I’m positive tested for toxic mold now. One of many health challenges. Teacher husband in ignorant state so retirement funds will severely cut income. I’m on social security disabled. Lost my exec career due to ignorant physicians who knew nothing about diagnosing Lyme Disease. My mission has been to educate next generation of physicians. Hold earned doctorate, not medical doctor, but so knowledgeable I lectured on tick, mosquitoes, fleas, 14 types of diseases now until no longer physically able. He retires next year with huge monthly medical costs due to my disabling, serious, ultimately fatal diseases. Can not afford to replace on retirement income, so doing while we get a tax refund. We have a terribly cold master shower and bath. The master sink faucets are the truly farthest from our garage. Do you have recommendations for me Legacy Handyman re what brand, type of gas water heater to buy, recirc pump as you describe in video or another option. Please help us spend our little remaining cash wisely. Thank you.
That is longest comment I have seen so far. You should shop around start with Home Depot look for installation cost , and warranty and price.
Excellent video thank you.
Great video. Do you know, if this works with a water softener? Nobody mentions that anywhere.
Thank you. I don't see why wouldn't it work with water softener.
Great video! I have one question: When the pump's timer is on, does the pump run all the time or only when the sensor at the sink "tells" it to? Thanks.
Pump is running on the timer. But valves shuts off water just like a thermostat on the car
It's always best if you could run separate return lines instead of using the cold line and insu.ate them. It will be instant hot for the sink where you installed the valve, but other sinks and showers will still be a bit of a wait, depending where and how far the original connections were made
correct , but this system cost couple of hundreds to run new pipe in my house would be south of 5K
Awesome my man
Did you use a heat trap in the anode rod before you installed the pump? I'm doing the same install on my Bradford White, the old anode rod has a heat trap installed but I'm replacing it with a new anode rod & heat trap but I'm unsure if I should use the new heat trap or not? Your thoughts please. Thanks!
The heat trap was pre-installed on my water heater and I didn't change it , however when I was doing it it was a fairly new water heater. So if your unit is older I think 7$ investment will not hurt. But I don't know if those go bad .
Great video! Question: Does the pump have to go at the hot water heater, or can it go under the same sink as the bridge valve (or anywhere else in the hot-water line between the heater and the valve)? I would think the location (beginning or end of the same water-line) wouldn't matter where in that line the pump goes, no? Thanks!
Correct. You can install pump anywhere between water heater and first split in the line.
Nice thanks
Great video. I bought this unit and was wondering if it is ok to install this if I have a whole house filtration system? Common sense tells me that it should not cause any problems. However, I wanted to see if anyone has installed one with whole house filtration system. Thanks!!!
yes you can, this system is loops after your filter, so no problem go ahead and install it.
Question - my home is slightly under twenty six hundred sq ft, it take at least five minutes to get hot water to my bedroom side of house, could this work for shower and sink? Any suggestions if not? Would tankless be a better fit? Btw thank you for the video. Great info
yes this will work for both, because it will get hot water much closer to your shower. it will cut your wait time and as a result water consumption. Tankless is awesome system but it will not help you with wait time. assuming you going to install it in the same location as your water heater installed now.
Thanks for video!
I was thinking of installing one of these systems at my mom's but am hesitant as when you get hot water to the tap, the valve under the sink stops the recirculation. After that happens do you get high pressure hot water out of your taps because the pump is still going? Trying to wrap my head around this system 😃
You have slight pressure increase, not like booster pump. You would not see difference in operation.
good job my friend thank you for teaching gracias
you very welcome. Thank you for your comment.
@@Me-du4gi there is a valve connected to a temperature sensor In the tee, when hot water is sensed the valve closes.
Does it help to use pipe dope or Teflon tape when you connect the pump to the water heater? How about when you connect the hoses to the mixer valve under the sink?
It's not needed since you have the rubber gaskets at each connection.
Michael Davis Thanks Michael!
Will this cause problems for a refrigerator cold supply such as an ice maker or drinking water since it circulates some hot water into the cold lines?
Temperature rise is insignificant for beside , hot water freeze faster that cold one .
I hope you can answer this. I know this video is older. My pump works fine - but at the sink where I installed the faucet, it sounds like water is running all the time. It’s not leaking anywhere that I can tell. Should it be making that sound?
I don't think it should make any sound, and it is a little bit hard to troubleshoot issues remotely. I can only think of air in the line, try to open the faucet all the way to remove air. But honestly, I don't know.
People, if you want warm water coming out fast at the faucet, simply make the loop without installing the pump. Pump is not necessary at all. Once the full loop is made in the warm water line, warm water will circulate through the warm water pipe by convection effect where hot water expands in the heater and forces the water to move through the loop to colder region and back into the heater and continue the cycle. I had a water pump installed but failed and I took it out and bypassed it and I still get nice hot water very quickly better than ever before with no headache to deal with failing pump or timer. Pump and timer are expensive and difficult to maintain and absolutely not needed in most residential use. If you do not believe me, try first before you take the trouble of installing one.
tom mason-What do you mean, exactly? I need a better explanation.
So with this unit it plugs in to reg 110w outlet correct?
Correct
Thank you for the video, but I have what is maybe an ignorant question: If the pump is placed at the water heater, why do you need the bridge valve under the sink? Also, would you also need a some other bridge valve is you just install the pump under the sink? Thank you for your help.
It is designed to be installed on the water heater there is a 3/4 size pipe . The bridge is used to bypass a sink, for water to go back to the water heater and it has a thermostat similar to your car thermostat. It shuts off water circulation when the desired temperature is at the sink .I hope it helps
@@LegacyHandyman Thank you so much. Is the bridge available to purchase separately? I bought a Bokywok pump to put at the site of the heater.
If you run a return line from the farthest endpoint, just connect it to the WH drain spigot and put in a check valve. It’s gravity/thermal driven, no pump, low cost and no maintenance, The way the old timers did it.
if you can run line, my lines are in concrete slab .running one in the attic creates more risks than advantages
I have a question.. i have a solar water heater and it doesn't have pressure.. and the cold water doesn't have pressure ether.. all my system works by gravity.. do u think this pump will work no water pressure??
I just installed the watts system this week. My hot water heater is on the third floor of my house and now I have hot water On the first floor in 15 seconds instead 1 and a half minutes and I don’t have good water pressure either. Good luck.
Hi, the pump circulates through the crossover valve. What if for some reason, the crossover valve being blocked, will the system be over pressured? I don’t see anyone install a hammer arrestor or a relief valve. Thank you!
This pump creates slight difference in pressure. It isn't like it's pushing 100 psi.
No danger .I am using this system for a while now . Cold water is little bit warm when system is running, but not enough to be concerned about it. And trust me your hot water not goin to public water main.
It is loop. It will draw water from cold side of your house to push it back to water heater before it will from main. And yes newer houses have backflow preventer in the system.(not always)
Can you install the watts recirculating pump with a “Tank booster pro” ?
Thank You
Tony
I don't see why not , but I would consult with tank booster manufacturer.
Can the pump be installed on the hot water line away from the tank? Our gas water heater is in a metal box outside with no electric outlet nearby.
Yes . It will be little harder because all fittings are designed to be on the water heater. Plus you would probably need to secure it to something . To me it is easier to run new outlet.
@@LegacyHandyman is it reg 110 outlet?
@@silytrtl yes it is 110 v outlet
Is this compatible with a Rheem PROG50-38N-RH60
yes,it is .
You has to instale brige water valve in the shawer to ?
No just under the sink.
Does this work on leaky rusty 30yr old tanks!?
Start with replacing rusty leaking tanks :)
If in my older home I'm unclear on which fixture is the furthest from water heater.... Can I install the sensor on a random fixture?
i would install it on one that is closest to the point that you use most / desire hot water instantly
for anyone that's installed this system and has a gas water heater, how much has your gas bill gone up, if any?
I didnt notice increase, But I bet it is less then water bill from waisting all this water .
Will doing this give you faster hot water to all fixtures in house, or just the furthest away from water heater?
Probably Instant on the one where he installed the sensor and much faster on rest of the house cause hot water is already in nearby pipe
correct it it instant on the point with valve and much faster on other points. In my house i installed 2 valves because hot water pipe is splitting and going two different directions.
@@LegacyHandyman same here. My heater is in the middle of the house and splits into 2 opposite long branches so I will need 2 sensing valves.
So when the pump is on does that mean the cold water line will always be full of hot water? What if you want some cold water?
Your cold water line will be slightly warmer but not drastically. If you want really cold water you would have to drain some water from the cold side .
Thanks for the video. I did exactly what you did and had hot water. It was scalding hot so I reduced the temp on the heater. No more hot water!. I tested the valve and thought I should replace it which I did. Still no hot water. I have increased the temp to 145/150 and still no luck. What do you think is wrong?
What type of the water heater do you have (electric or gas)?
@@LegacyHandyman Electric
Another thing that baffles me is that once when I was checking the heater I felt if the pump was working and figured it is because the hose from the pump was hot and the cold water into the heater was hot too. Of course when I had my wife turn on the hot water in the house the cold water in hose got cold quickly.
I do appreciate any enlightenment you can give me.
Check circuit breaker.
If I understand the mechanics correctly, without a dedicated return line, when the water recirculates back through the cold line, we are then drinking water that has been run through the hot water tank? I have always understood that due the use of decaying aluminum anode rods, water from the hot water tank should not be used for drinking or cooking. Is this safe?
You are correct. Some of the water that been through water heater will get to the cold water lines.You can always run a couple of gallons of water before drinking it. To me it's more important to have a hot water right away when I'm ready to take a shower. Also for drinking and cooking I usually use bottled water that I order separately. This is because Texas water is not very tasty and contains a lot of calcium.
Wouldn't the existence of water pressure (which always exists) be enough to push water to the check valve?
Pump creates difference in your water pressure. But when pump is off it is equal and nothing is moving.
How do you flush a water heater with this valve on the tank
On the bottom it is valve where you connect hose . And drain it
Won’t this mean that you have to draw loads of cold water to get cold water at the tap. Also is there a danger of allowing hot water back into the public main.
I have been using this system for a while now . Sometime you would have your cold water little warm but not enough to make you run loads of it. And no it will never go back to water main. It will recirculate back to water heater.
Legacy Handyman is there a no return valve fitted somewhere to stop the possibility of water getting back into the main?
probably no danger of the water getting back into the water main but yes you are very right warm water in the cold truly no money savings just water savings
Will you still get instant hot water when the pump is on the off position
No . Otherwise why would you need a pump.
What if you have an expansion tank on the water heater ... will it still work correctly?
Yes it will work correctly.
I just installed the Watts pump and it gets quite hot after running for 15 minutes or so. Is that normal?
Hot water running through it if will get hot.
I have two distant sinks from the water heater. The farthest is seldom used and the closer one is used many different times (kitchen). If I install the sensitive valve under the sink used mostly, will the furthest rarely used one still get hot faster from the valve or should I install it beneath the furthest sink rarely used?? Also because the one used many times throughout the day, should I keep the punp timer on all the waking time. How would you mange my new pump?
I would install a valve on the far sink . And what I did I install a smart outlet on the pump and set my schedule on the phone.
@@LegacyHandyman Thanks. Can I assume that you set the timer to be on most of the day and use the smart outlet to just turn on and off the pump and no reset the timer in any way??
... not reset the timer in any way via your phone?
Get the Smart Plug WiFi Outlet plug circulate pump in , set the pump on 24 hours. Use your smart phone turn on and off, I turn hot water on 2 minutes auto off after 2 minutes and i get in shower hot water waiting for me.
A plumber installed this Watts hot water recirculating pump last August. After 14 months, the pump starts making vibration buzzing loud noise. I asked the plumber who installed this Watts hot water recirculating pump and he said he doesn’t know why and he can’t fix it. He told me that he will replace a pump with the cost of $450.00 . That’s is too high. Is anyone have the same issue as mine? Any advise or video how to fix the noise issue? Thank you in advance!
@@vanessapham2486 Pump already install, just buy the same one and replace. I don't think you need the plumber, any man can do this. Don't forget shutoff your water line. Buy smart plug like I said on the top, just turn the pump on when you need and set auto off for 2 or 3 minutes. Your pump go bad, I think because you keep your pump on 24/7, that waist your energy. Use your smart phone turn on your pump when you need, smart plug about $10. Good luck.
I thought you would install on cold line coming into house so all lines get pressure, but maybe I'm wrong
It has to be installed as it is in the video.
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This idea is just okay every time you use your cold water you will noticeably get warm water and will continuously turn on the system...
It will only turn on the system if the temperature sensor detects cold water at the sensor.
Can I do that in my Tankless heater ???
yes technically you can , but it will defeat purpose of tankless water heater . only problem you might want to consider if it will be enough water flow to fire up gas . I have never seen one installed on tankless system. if you going to try please let me know.
@@LegacyHandyman hey
I did on my tankless but don’t work. The pump got offf and no hot water
Doesn't this system mean that you will have Temped water in the cold water line when you want an Cold drink of water? If you don't want Temped cold water you would need to run a return line back to the tank. I'm I incorrect in my understanding?
Yes this will get warm water in your cold line but temperature difference is not dramatic. If you able and willing to run separate lines it is better options for you . Beauty of this system that it is least invasive option.
A plumber installed this Watts hot water recirculating pump last August. After 14 months, the pump starts making vibration buzzing loud noise. I asked the plumber who installed this Watts hot water recirculating pump and he said he doesn’t know why and he can’t fix it. He told me that he will replace a pump with the cost of $450.00 . That’s is too high. Is anyone have the same issue as mine? Any advise or video how to fix the noise issue? Thank you in advance!
It is water pump with motor and bearings. Moving parts can fail. I would talk to Watts and have them send you replacement. However it will be challenging after 14 month.
@@LegacyHandyman thank you. The plumber purchased this Watts pump and installed it last August. He installed the Bradford White water heater along with the Watts pump. How to get replacement from Watts? Thank you so much for your reply.
@@vanessapham2486 1-978-689-6066 customer support from Watts website
To recirc back to the water heater im assuming that pump needs to be pushing more pressure than what is coming in. A true recirculating system would have another hose rigged in to make a loop...(yes ofcourse that is not easy to do) im just concerned that pump will need to put alot more pressure to push against the main pressure coming in. Im justban oilfield worker that understands flow and pressure , but i would like someone to chime in and help me get this out of my head. Thanks and carry on!!
Regular household pressure anywhere from 40 to 50 psi so if you got 10 more psi that's 20% over the regular pressure . You do install loop around under the sink that needs a hot water . Onese hot water pressure pushes the hot water to that sink, thermal switch will switch off when temperature reaches set parameters. I hope it makes sense so feel free to ask . This video was filmed over a year ago at my house The system still works fine only upgrade I did I installed smart switch instead of built-in timer.
@@LegacyHandymanmakes sense ... only part that still has me thinking more than it should... is the water pushes back into the hot water tank through the cold water line ... and how much room is in the water heater .?.. ok i think it just hit me., water heater will not pull on any more water because of maybe some kind of floater valve that is closed since it is already full??
Legacy Handyman could you please teel us about this smart switch, and thank you for your videos
I just removed this device from my house. It is acting weird. When I turn on shower, it takes 5 minutes to get hot water, and as soon as I turn off the shower, and turn it back on, it is cold again. I suspect that the sensor valve has stopped working. I do confirm the censor valve has connected the right pipes.
yes I recommend checking sensor valves once a year. Replace as needed.
I installed one of these Watts hot water recirculating systems in my new construction home and it does not make any difference in the time to get hot water at any of my faucets. I even tried installing multiple valves under each of my sinks hoping that would allow it to work properly. Anyone else experiencing issues like this?
The recirculating line is supposed to connect at the bottom of the tank where the drain spigot is, not the top.
I am. I installed it in January and had success. The water was too hot in the kitchen so in April I reduced the water heater temp. I did a few other minor things like adjusting the pump from timer to on and now I have no hot water for minutes before it comes. In May I have replaced the valve even though it was only 4 months old and returned the temp back up to 150. I am pretty upset that I had almost instant hot water and now I cannot make it work like it should.
However, with prompting from Legacy Handyman I fixed the problem and now have instant hot water. Thanks LH....
@@evenflow3256 ,,,,....No....it's as shown in the vid. The cross-over valve is under the sink. You're thinking another type of system.
@@evenflow3256 ...wrong.....top...for those homes this is meant for, meaning there is no dedicated return line....you're using the CW line for that. It is correct on top...see here too---> ruclips.net/video/TrsptRZtIzc/видео.html
My water heater is 40 feet away from my sink. So it still takes a long time to get there.
40 ft plus distance to the attic and back down in some cases. It could be already 50 or 60.
Why is your water tank in the attic if it fails there will be water going though your house
Unfortunately that is very common situation here in Dallas area. I see it all the time. And I agree it is poor design.
Why?
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to get hot water as soon as you turn it on.
Water heaters in the attic. I can’t stand replacing them. Dumbest idea ever to put them in attics.
agree.