Never in my 10 years of listening to KPop did I think I would find such an unbiased, articulate, well spoken reviewer. Thank you so much for taking so SO much time (I can only imagine) to do proper research into these groups, and give your knowledge about vocals to us. I would much rather have someone like you that backs up EVERY word you say with your reasoning/facts/knowledge, than just have a half-assed tier list with no research other than the most popular members. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I can't sing your praises enough!
Thank you very very much, just read that with a huge smile on my face. Genuinely made my day. You're so kind! Its amazing to know that people like how I do things, and that my content is valuable. Honestly its comments like that, that make this whole thing worth it.
The fact that this video is 41:31 minutes long i can't imagine how much time u spent watcving sj performances and analyzing thel gotta say this is a lot of effort We as elfs are so thankful for this
Fun fact: Super Junior K.R.Y announced an upcoming album a couple of days ago (it will be their first ever Korean album) after 14 long years , yes the fandom waited for FOURTEEN YEARS And I just can't wait to be blessed with such incredible vocal excellence and I'm a sucker for ballads so it really is like heaven to me
For those who have not been blessed enough to hear K.R.Y Try this ruclips.net/video/tWxflb45wn0/видео.html. Their harmonies together make me so happy. ruclips.net/video/J2APs38p71w/видео.html
Sam 3 months ago: Chen is the best vocalist in kpop Sam 2 weeks ago: Jonghyun is the best vocalist in kpop Sam a few weeks ago: Kyuhyun is the best vocalist in kpop The power of SM
Well, objectively speaking Kyuhyun is way better than them. Jonhhyun was better Changmin. The best ones used to be Kyuhyun, Hwanwe, Sandeul folled by Ryewook. Not sure how things are nowadays.
Bur it is sad that henry cant join super junior as the main group not a sub unit. It was controversy at that time since adding member are consider bad at that time
@@qawiemhaziq4650 Zhoumi is under Label SJ and technically still part of SJ-M, but SJ-M haven't been a thing for a while, so he's mostly a soloist now.
Finally someone recognizes Heechul’s vocal talent!! He’s such a talented vocalist! I think he could absolutely be a lead vocalist in the group if his leg injury didn’t prevent him from promoting with them
He was a lead singer during the debut days until he broke his voice in a live performance when performing 'U', many haters asked him to leave the group and he got the leg injury also, so SM entertainment asked him to be a rapper instead. He definitely is a lead vocalist 💙
Christabel Kok Yan Chan he’s definitely more confident now, but I’m sure he feels that he can’t ask to be a lead vocal because he can’t promote with them. It wouldn’t be fair for someone else to have to learn all his lines, in that case
@@Awakening_Sunshine yep, I'm glad also, thanks to the members especially Kyuhyun asked him to go to the Masked singer that show to help him gain back his confidence
Actually, the best ones are Kyuhyun, Hwan Hee and Sandeul, followed by Ryewook so the distance between him and Kyuhyun aren't that narrow. After him we can see Chen. Funny that in western Yesung is so overated when his technique aren't nothing to write home about. But stans can be very annoying as they tend to rate their favorite as a top notch technical singer when they barely know what health technique really means.
Michel Rodrigues What kpop vocal line is better than K.R.Y? None. It’s this simple. Maybe there are two singers (which is actually pretty narrow) who can sing better than Reyewook, so what? As a unit, K.R.Y are still at the top, aren’t they? PS: E.L.F aren’t that type of fans. We know the level of our idols. We’ve watched them climb to this well deserved rank through the past fifteen years. Step by step. We _know_ who they are.
the fact that this is 40+ minutes long and that you had to go through 10-15 years of discography is pretty amazing, thank you for all your hard work ❤️
You really can't beat the vocals of a second generation group. That era everyone in a group had to have above average vocals. I have been a fan of Super Junior since the beginning...yeah I am old. lol I was happy to see you place Lee Tuek higher than most do and I agree. His voice is actually better now and has improved through the years. I have changed who I think has the best voice a million times through the years and admit my bias goes with Ryeowook and Yesung but understand where you are coming from placing Kyuhyun first. I look forward to their K.R.Y work upcoming soon. I really love your videos...take as much time as is comfortable for you. Music to me is all about the vocals and its so nice to listen to someone rate them from a technical aspect while still letting us know who you love. I love Yesung too, the most unique voice in Kpop.
No you can't beat the vocalists of SM. 2nd generation idols a lot of them were weak vocalists kara after school (except raina) miss a 4minute 2ne1(except minzy). few groups like spica all SM groups brow eyed girls apink sistar btob ...were incredibly strong. Third generation there's Wendy who is good as taeyeon eunji..etc yuju another amazing vocalists mamamoo girls also exo vocalists are amazing as suju shinee. 4th generation still no amazing vocalists so far( lia mia miyeon all seems average) only fanatics RAYEON seems strong vocalist
I feel like heechuls vocals are underrated, like people usually remember him as this funny and savage guy whos in variety shows and forget what an amazing vocal he is cause he gets like 3 seconds of lines in half of the songs
I’m still sad that he got a reputation for being bad at singing so early in his career, I feel like it really undermined his confidence in his singing for a lot of years
Part of the reason he gets so few lines is because he can't promote with them, so rather than giving him substantial lines on the album and having other members learn them, they just don't give him many lines
@@Awakening_Sunshine This is also why in songs like Sorry Sorry and Black Suit he doesn't have any parts until the end, so he doesn't have to overdo it physically and only needs to be on stage for the last part of the song.
Kyuhyun- the strongest idol male vocalists so far Ryeowook- perfect pitch the best among all idols. Amazing agility good separation of notes. Nasality is still there Yesung- good support but throatiness is still a huge problem for him can be very thin the higher he gets Zhoumi- 4th strongest in suju good support very balanced mix most of the time strongest foreign male vocalist so far
I remember when I was first getting into SJ, I thought that some members were sorta fillers for the choreo since they didn’t get many lines, but I know now that their songs just aren’t long enough for all the members to show off what they can really do
"Everything is perfect" This is how we need to describe Kyu's voice 😭👍 Even when he's talking, (not singing) I'm already hooked and willing to listen to it for the rest of my life TT So... yeah! KRY is KRY for a reason~
Another perfect description of Kyu: “This guys is insane!”. The control the has over his voice and his resonance are indeed insane. He constantly amazes me and never disappoints. I just love his voice and his style of singing so much!
Kyuhyun is really the best vocalist out of SM male vocalists even one of the best in kpop in general. It is so amazing how he can support C5 while not many female vocalists can reach that level nowadays
These are honestly some of the best vocal ranking videos I’ve ever seen! I always thought Shindong’s singing was super underrated. Keep up the great work!
1.Thank you for including 13 members 2. As a Donghae biased I was shocked when I saw him in seventh place but I immediately remembered how many freaking good singers SJ have 😎 3.I actually saw a lot of people saying Heechul doesn't have a good voice(just imagin that!!!) But I became so happy to see him in 5th place like someone finally said it 4.And for the last thing I have to say SAME BRO I really felt that while you were talking about K.R.Y They really have a perfect and insane voice
For my personal taste, Super Junior has the best vocal in all of Kpop. Not only in relation to K.R.Y. All members have unique voices. Each one is able to impress in their own way. And when their voices come together in harmony, it is something so beautiful and emotional that I have cried a few times listening to them. Kyuhyun has the best voice in all of Kpop. This is undeniable. However, my favorite voice is Yesung's, as he seems to cry through his voice. It's very emotional. I have a special affection for Siwon's voice, since he is my utt throughout Kpop. I am curiously emotional when he and Heechul sing together. It is something special for me. I would like him and Shindong to have more lines in the group's songs, or even, to release solos. I will continue to dream about it. Congratulations on the video, Samuel. It was very well grounded. And I'm sorry for my English mistakes. I'm Brazilian and I'm not fluent.
Thank you SO MUCH for this bc honestly I'm an elf but they all amaze me so it's been really hard to organize where I'd place them in my head. The one reason I tend to put Yesung higher, and why others may as well, is I feel like he tends to show more emotion on his face as he sings. While Ryeowook and Kyuhyun sing more stably, I don't feel the same emotion when they sing, which adds a lot to the overall performance. But I do agree with your ranking, and again THANK YOU!!!
I'm loving your outrage over how good KRY are hahaha. I completely agree with how you ranked them, Yesung is my fave since he's so so so emotive when he sings but you cannot deny that Kyuhyun is just a god amongst men when it comes to singing. I was lucky enough to see SJ perform live last year, and hot damn even with massive mic issues Ryeowook and Yesung sounded beyond amazing. I think I would've died if Kyuhyun was with them omg.
So I got into KPop when Ryeowook was doing his military service so I didn't know until he completed it how amazing he is. Great. But then Kyuhyun completed his service and returned. Only in a group with Kyuhyun would Ryeowook be second. That is how unbelievably great they are, and because of them, everyone else in the group may not seem to shine as brightly as they deserve. Someday I want Changmin, Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Baekhyun, Chen, and Taeil to sing together. Can you imagine? Can you? That would be insane.
Thank you for doing 13 members, and seeing the clips you've used you really did go through most of their discography/live performances So really thank you for the time and efforts you put in this videos, it means a lot to us as fans, because Super Junior are often forgotten when people talk about vocals even tho they literally have (objectively) the TOP2 best singers in Kpop and arguably the most unique voice and talent ever (Yesung)
I've followed them for 14 years and the top 3 is always changing for me but it's always KRY. I know Kyuhyun has a great powerful voice, then Yesung appears with just one syllable and you can feel the blast of emotion and then wookie and his clear high notes appear ... And repeat... It's a treat. I'm so glad the KRY album is finally
It was really enjoyable to hear an objective ranking of SuJu vocals. I'm not really a super huge fan of their group work, so I could be wrong, but I always get the impression that Ryeowook's vocal ability is severely underrated, even by the fandom itself. Most people outside of the fandom (who've heard him sing/know he exists) seem to agree that Kyuhyun is one of, if not THE outright best male idol vocalist, and most people in the fandom seem to really adore Yesung's vocal color. Whereas I always felt like Ryeowook had the unenviable position of not having as well-liked a tone as Yesung's and not as objectively superior technique as Kyuhyun's. His voice surprises me no matter how many times I've heard it. I always think it's going to be much thinner and shriller than it actually is, so the sheer volume of his voice floors me every time. That being said...Kyuhyun...damn, the lungs on that man...I thought his voice was pretty when some of his solo work came up on random shuffle but one listen to the SMtown Bolero and the Masquerade performance on Immortal Songs and I was completely won over. Guy could release a full album of him singing the alphabet with that stupidly gorgeous vibrato of his and I'd be more than happy. This comment got way too long but yes, I second all the requests for B1A4's Sandeul. The other members (no matter how much I love them and their voices) aren't nearly as good technique wise but goddamn Sandeul is a monster.
To be honest I've always liked Kyuhyun's and Ryeowook's voice colors way more than Yesung's (he sounds too strained and exaggerated for my like). I ended up finding not only some people agree with me, but also Kyu and Wookie are much better and smarter vocalists.
@@michelrodrigues5686 Oh oof. I have nothing against Yesung, but his throatiness occasionally borders on painful to listen to for me. It really makes me worry about his vocal chords sometimes. He's definitely had some performances where he knocks it out of the park, like the IS2 the More I Love You one, but he is a much less consistent of a vocalist than the other two. The one thing I never got was how everybody seems to agree that /objectively/ he expresses emotions the best out of the three, when emotions have always been a wholly subjective thing. (Also seeming to make the implicit assumption that emotions=sadness.) His style of singing just means he expresses them more overtly, such as through added adlibs or stylistic raspiness, whereas someone like Kyuhyun would rely on dynamics and such. Well, to each their own I suppose.
I agree with you about RyeoWook's voice, though I know ELFs who prefer his voice. I love KRY. I love how YeSung makes me feel like my soul is breaking with a simple song. I love how KyuHyun warms my heart, because his voice is really soothing. BUT I am kinda addicted to RyeoWook's voice because I think he is really unique. He's not even my bias in the group, but I still find his voice fascinating. «Meet him among them» is like... I just can't express how beautiful his notes are. The color of his voice is the most beautiful in the group for me.
Yesung’s voice is what made me notice Super Junior and now I stan them (sadly very late). His is the only voice that gives me goosebumps, leaves me in awe, make my jaw drop to the floor, scalps me completely bald and make me cry due to my emotions and feels. One RUclipsr said his voice is the voice of god and I couldn’t agree more. Listening to him sing, especially when he unleashes his runs, adlibs and belts at the end of songs, is like a religious experience. That man’s voice and the way he uses it are really something special.
Dude, I don’t know about everyone else, but I’d watch you talk about this stuff for a few hours. I hope you’re not feeling like you have to shorten things when you would rather elaborate more. Either way, you’ve been doing a great job with these and they’re very interesting to watch, I hope you have lot of fun making them :)
@@Detnaq this is about as long as I could go. I ended up speaking longer than I planned for anyway, there isn't too much more to say, I just cut some of the waffle I tend to do hahaha
I remember watching Kyuhyun covering Jonghyun's songs on KoMS. I was kinda shocked/amazed/touched/... idk just a kind of emotion i had never had towards any other singers. (I quickly forgot it later since he wasnt doing anything that sounded enormous) so Im not surprised to see him ranked 1st. Thanks to you that now i really understand how good he is.
Not to mention the fact he was wearing a mask! I cringe when I see some senseless stans saying he lacks in the emotion department. The fact he doesn't need to overdo and force like certain idols doesn't mean he lacks it. It's actually a huge LACK of sense of certain Kpop stans.
I'm a yesung biased but i think i agree that sometimes when yesung sings i'm like "babe, you're perfect but i'm so concerned about your throat at the same time"😂😂
I honestly think the whole group is underrated for their vocals. I've been to some Super Shows and while I love their energy on stage, it is always the ballad medley that blows me away. The fact that all their voices sound so different yet it meshed into this suju sound which I cannot put in words. It amazes me every single time. I feel like telling ppl, stop sleeping on their vocals just because they dance on stage! I'm sad that we're missing out Heechul and Sung min's beautiful voice in future super show...I love listening to both. On a side note, I attended a KRY concert about 4 or 5 years ago. It was one of the best eargasm ever. I'm dying to go another even if it means I need to fly to another country again. Back then, Ryeowook had the most amazing live (could be he was in his best condition). Can't wait to go again and hear how much they have improved after the military! Thank you so much for the video! I'm personally a Ryeowook bias, but I agree with your top 3. A lot of times I am worried when listening to Yesung singing. Like boy, you got a great voice! Stop straining it like that!
The fact that Eunhyuk, with that vocal compilation, came last in a group of 13 people really shows the level that Suju is. Also really enjoy how you bring out the best in everyone’s voices! Yesung is my vocal bias too, but I love how you were so objective in the rankings
I came here to say this!! Like, he's rank 13 out of 13 but his clips are already sooo good. I was like, wtf?? if eunhyuk like this kyuhyun will send me straight to heaven 💀💀
Amazing video and ranking! I've been an elf for almost 10 years and the "dispute" between who is the best singer has been in the fandom forever. I've always said that Kyu is number 1 (i adore all of them, but Kyuhyun's voice just gets me) but since i don't know any technical words i was just like "BUT LISTEN TO HIM HE'S SOO GREAT". Now i can show your video as backup lol.
There no bad vocalist in SJ. In the end it's most range, versality and genre. He nailed Shindong in this. I always thought that Shin's vocal doesnt really fit with SJ musics, but his vocal can and does shine. PS: it also begs the question tho. 2 of last are scouted based on their dancing ability. Was their vocal training were less, well, in depth because they are main dancers?
@@kamuigrey4597 This! When I first found videos of Shindong singing alone I was like... "HE CAN SING 😯". SuJu is such a well-rounded group. As for the PS, that's likely what happened, playing to the members' strengths.
@@nine1zero3zero2 I feel somewhat sad if that's the case tho. The bottom three are main dancers and visual. Was it because they were not considered 'singer' line so their vocal training was just so? Do the singer line has more in depth and thorough vocal training?
I'm a bit surprised that you include Henry and Zhoumi, really thankful for that. Not to mention you put Zhoumi in such a high rank, that guy really deserve it. Such an underated vocal. I love your top 5. And top 3, KRY, their rank for me is not important. In the end, we all know KRY is the best. Hahahaa Don't forget that KRY will get their first korean album. Yeay! And thank you for your effort to make this video!
Yesung is really everyones favourite even among their members. But I totally agree on Kyuhyun being number 1. His vocals are god tier, I can't imagine Suju without his voice.
I feel nothing when Kyuhyun sings.He is bland. I feel sorry because overall I really like him. He has an excellent technique, pleasant voice but there is something missing -the essence (?)Maybe his voice is not emotive enough or he is not feeling it , don't know. I recommend the king of the kings called God's voice -Park Hyo Shin ! He is out of this world and that is a real god tier :)
@@michelrodrigues5686 Well , singing is an art form .It is not only about technique and 'high notes' but also about delivery, story telling , evoking feelings. Yesung's voice is deep ,emotive and very lyrical, he resonates with a lot of people and obviously affects them so...There must be something unique about him then .
@@seokhwawillow311 girl, those are very subjective matter. To you , Kyuhyun's singing sounds bland and you don't feel anything from it but to his fans, knetz and people who religiously streaming his songs say the otherwise tho
I swear, Ryeowook has got to have one of my top 3 favorite voices in kpop. It's so unique, but still so skilled and powerful, yet it has a softness to it. I totally see why Kyuhyun is number 1, of course he is, no surprise there, but I simply prefer Ryeowook's vocal tone. Even though I don't hard-core Stan SuJu anymore, I still adore Ryeowook's voice. Okay, I'm gonna stop rambling now, I could literally go on for several pages about how much I adore his voice. Thank you for the hard work and effort put into this video, I know it probably wasn't easy, but the finished product is excellent.
Thank you so much! This is a vocal list where I don't feel bad for the last placers, as they still are exceptional singers. Also, Kyuhyun deserves that number 1 spot. I remember having a bad sore throat just because I tried to sing Kyuhyun's line in one of Suju's songs. That man has RANGE! Still can't get over how many times I repeated that outro because I didn't understand ACE (I heard it as Ass, sorry lol). My brain went dead after hearing vocal kings.
In my opinion, the reason why I thought kyuhyun always placed on 3rd rank by ELF could be because he sang lower notes too often while yesung and ryeowook sang the higher ones. It doesn't mean yesung and ryeowook wanted to dominated the song, it's just kyuhyun is the only one who can reach the lower notes without hearing so breathy or just a whisper. Well I know nothing about vocal, it's just based on my observation :)
Yeahh the guy is just so humble, he never want to outshine or outpower his members when he sing in a group. And I know most of people have this mindset that screaming high notes is equally good vocalists
Yesung actually trains some sm rookies if I'm not wrong so the guy knows EXACTLY what he's doing so when his technique is on point is ON POINT and when he does all the things he shouldn't he also knows what hes doing but choosing style over technique and we can tell he husrts but he keeps doing it and ugh whatever he does whatever he wants
You're blind as fuck. Hope he's much more careful nowadays. His vocal condition during K.R.Y 2015 tour is just too sad. Keeping a health condition to your vocal chords is still the best way.
@@michelrodrigues5686 ok first of all being a bit nicer wouldn't hurt you I bet. And of course it was sad he had vocal nodules and still had to go on a tour... He's a grown man after all, he should know how far to take things but he still does the things he shouldn't just to sound a certain way. I'm telling nothing but the truth.
@@cicitcuitt2057 Check somr vocal technique website and lessons and see this is not about hating you dumb ass. Of course his stans are stinky! They're so 🤮🤮🤮
I really like Leeteuk's voice, sure he's not the most powerful vocalist but I find it very satisfying to listen to. and YES Zhoumi! he is impressive, from balads to his "metal" voice in the iconic Don't Don break, gosh that makes me miss him even more.
Zhoumi comeback last year was great. Also the song he wrote for Wuhan his hometown was just beautiful. I love that he included the younger SM generation in I'll be the for you, I thought the WayV boys really blended well with Zhoumi. Can't wait to see what he does next.
This is a fair observation for me as an ELF. Most people might see them as a ‘comedian group’ since they’re goofin' around sooo much and forget how good they can be 😄 They’re all talented while excel more in certain area. Like Eunhyuk and Shindong, might be the last two in vocals but as SJ main dancer, rapper and the creative brain of SJ (or SM too now?) stage/MV performance, they’re #1! Has no doubt on the big 3, I might weep every time hearing Kyu’s singing live! Lets wait KRY first full album this June Haha.. Oow i can talk about them all day 😄 Thank you for doing this..
Your 1~3 were what I expected. Personally Ryeowook is my favorite and a lot of people dismissed his voice earlier on because of its nasality, so it makes me really happy to see him praised like this.
His problem is just his vocal doesnt really suit SJ overall musics, but give him suitable song and Shindong vocal can and do shine. PS: I love ballad singer Shindong. He would fit those sad, asian 80's ballads.
So glad to finally see a really unbiased view of SJ vocals. But I promise, try going to a super show (or any of their live performances) and you will really see (hear?) how good Yesung's vocals are. His parts just leave you breathless. Goosebumps.
I've watched super show and for the first time I heard a sound that gave me goosebumps and pierced my heart. And you know what my bias is Kyuhyun but Yesung's voice is really on another level, and I always unconsciously hold my breath when Yesung's singing part
After seeing how detailed and interesting all these videos of godly vocals of super junior and i still don't understand how reacttothek not react and analyse these men so much eye-
I felt very attacked this whole video "I know a lot of people would put Shindong below Eunhyuk" "I know many will be surprised to see Donghae so low" "I know a lot of you rank Yesung first because you like his voice"
Well, in leeteuk's case it's just matter of not being allowed to sing in his natural range ,tessiture & pitch. Also, imho he's the most stable live. I guess he just need a bit more of the vocal training he gave up because there are already other main vocals in the group😁 he is really naturally gifted,so I hope he'll get motivation to work more on perfecting his super nice voice & someday we'll finally have the long awaited solo album😇
I really miss Kangin's voice and personality in suju, adds extra flavor in their songs. I keep coming back to red velvet's guesting on a song for you because 1. gottaloveredvelvet 2. gottalovef(x)-amber 3. gottalovesuju-kangin
I just love the objectivity. Yoou clearly state which voice you favor, but you don't put them first unless they are objectively the best. You did a super, no pun intended, job with this ranking! I can't wait to see what you have to say about A.C.E, I was one of the people that requested them. Great job!
Given that suggestion, he can also rank the number 1's for most of the groups he's done and see how the best of the best compare... That'll be the hardest ranking of his career.
I am telling you, that is not a good idea and I don't want this to happen in this channel. KVA had received a lot of shit comments from fans who cannot accept their bias ranked lower than they expected. There are some who is using it to hate on others, just to prove this group is not good or so... Samuel Bradley, just rank them within the group and just continue what you are doing, but please I am begging you not to rank them as a whole.
KRY has god-tier vocals!!! I think it's just a matter of taste or what you prefer the most, since all 3 vocals are different from each. I prefer Yesung's. He has such a unique tone and his style is amazing! His voice is so beautiful and powerful. His imperfections are what made him perfect. He deserves to be recognized more as a great singer not just in Korea but the whole world.
Teukkie being on #8 means a lot. I also disagree on teuk being bottom 3 in other rankings and lists. People tend to forgot his singing ability because its being overshadowed by his mc skills and humour. 🐥🐥🐥
Super Junior: "All of them could be the main vocal of their own group." No bigger truth has been spoken. The ranking literally goes: KRYYYY! 😂😂 I agree with the top 3 Kyuhyun has Perfect technic, Ryeowook little less range, and Yesung (incredible, imagine being 3rd to Kyu, and Wookie and still being the Favorite! 🤯) From SUJU, my personal favorite voices are Yesung and Heechul. Shindong is my honorable mention since I always end up loving his lines in every song. I'm so happy he has gotten more lines on the 9th album. Guys everyone should go and listen to "Blue" from the "I Think U" Japanese album!
Brilliant ranking again. SuJu have and will always be my ultimate bias male group. Their songs, personalities, variety skills etc etc are just fantastic. And the quality of their top vocalist(s) is no joke. Yesung has always been my favourite too, his voice is very manly and at times rough, which was also why I liked Kangin's vocals too. But you cannot pretend that Kyuhyun isn't No.1 in vocals. He has literally been blessed with one of the best voices in all kpop, let alone SM. His voice is like liquid gold, on honey lol. I wasn't too surprised that my bias Eunhyuk ended up bringing up the rear. He does have a lovely, gentle voice, but ultimately he is their rapper and main dancer .... so no hurt feelings :P
Thank you so much for including Zhoumi and Henry! Was wondering for a while about SJ’s vocal ranking, and I knew that Heechul’s such a good vocalist. He has improved so much since the earlier years of his career..
I think he's defo improved and although inconsistent is a lot more stable,, but at the same time because of his past smoking habits, drinking habits and continuous talking for variety talk shows he can't sing super high anymore which makes me a lil' sad :(
Kyuhyun voice is my favorite from the whole kpop industry. Fun fact; he IS THE ONLY MALE IDOL who win five times (or six, i don't remember so well hehe) on king of masked singer. Others main vocals went at the show but no one ever win once, Kyuhyun is incredible!!! He's always recognized by his amazing voice😻
Five times! And the current King of Masked Singer is actually WINNER's Seungyoon (is on a 6x strike already!), so there's been another male idol. But Kyuhyun will always be the first, in 5 years the show has been running! O.O
other than my curiosity of who would be in the lowest places, i definitely really wanted to know who would be 1st 2nd and 3rd out of KRY and wow im so impressed by your explanation and also SO IMPRESSED by their voice.... its crazy that they have the best vocal line in kpop i hope people would see them more than sorry sorry and mr simple 😂😭 thank you so much for this video!
I laughed so hard with Heechul can do everything Sungmin can, and more SOMETIMES HAHAHAHAHAHA True though. Inconsistent. Maybe because he himself doesn't think of himself as a singer? He does a LOT of other things and does them really well...people know him more in variety shows and hosting. Unfortunate because this probably affects his consistency in singing. Still, even with that, he does sound soooo good for me. When he belts, it sounds so satisfying to me 😍
Yesung's voice is so beautiful, sweet, sensual and unique. His voice is out of this world. Yesung is #3 in "The Most Best Unique Voice in the World". By TENS, YESUNG is #1 Most Perfect K-Pop Singers - #1 Best Lead Vocalist of Korean Boybands - # 2 K-Pop with the Best Voice. He is, Best male singer and Most Unique Singing Voice in K-Pop. K.R.Y ( kyuHyun. RyeoWook. Yesung) are the highest ranked Idols in Korea's Vocal Analisis Ranking, respectively.
yes! your top 3 are the same as mine!! the great never ending discussion between ELF lmao I like all of their voices, but regardless of technical skills I'm personally very partial to yesung, heechul, kyuhyun and kangin's voices. I would listen to them all day
I really expected KRY as the top 3 in this list. They are insane! Though I am Ryeowook biased, I really really acknowledge and love Kyuhyun's vocals. It's whole and has variety. That's why I like listening to Kyuhyun's solo albums. Anyways, the reason I love Ryeowook is because of his voice too. I really don't like nasal but his Little Prince song made me appreciate his vocals a lot. Well apart from his personality too haha. If I can suggest a group to analyze it'll be Vromance. They're not big but they're the brother group of Mamamoo, so they are all amazing vocally as well.
Thank you so much for this work you do🥺 I loved your review and I also loved how you were respectful with everyone's opinion. But what I loved the most is that you mentioned HeeChul and Zhou Mi in the TOP5, because I always thought they are really amazing vocalists. Thank you.
My bias unit is KRY. And I agree with the ranking. Kyuhyun' vocal control is magnificent. He has wide range of voice and also well placed. He can deliver low and high notes effortlessly. His voice is well controlled, full, vibrant and resonant. No wonder you can still here him loud and clear even when the microphone is far from his mouth (example: Masquerade perf). Ryeowook has crystal clear voice, so full and not screechy even when singing high notes but like what you have said his weakness is his low notes. He is much comfortable in singing highnotes. Yesung on the other hand, truly added spice and emotion to SJ's songs, that makes him ELF's favorite but his style of singing kind of bothers me, because it sound painful, in terms of execution. He put so much weight in his voice, that's why everytime he sings low notes, it's barely audible, moreso it's like murmurs already, then when he sings high notes, it's straining (example is My All is In you), which I really found painful to the throat. But nevertheless he still sings great. I really love his vocal color and his emotion/gestures in singing, but I'm more concern about his vocal cords. __________ My ranking - technique-wise (active members only) 1. Kyuhyun 2. Ryeowook 3. Yesung 4. Heechul 5-6. Leeteuk or Donghae 7. Siwon 8. Eunhyuk 9. Shindong Personal preference (vocal color/style) 1. Kyuhyun 2. Yesung 3. Ryeowook 4. Heechul 5. Eunhyuk 6. Donghae 7. Shindong 8. Leeteuk 9. Siwon
Even though Eunhyuk is my favorite member, I think I would agree with his ranking. The poor guy never has a chance to sing as one of the group's main rappers and dancers, so it makes sense that he hasn't improved much. But I've also noticed he actively avoids any chance he's given to sing and tries to play it off as a joke whenever he's asked to do so. I think his lack of confidence really prevents him from growing and reaching his true potential. And I know he has it because his voice really is so lovely 😭
Wow, great video, massively appreciate the work that went into this. This ranking seems pretty spot on. I was so glad when Kyuhyun got to show off his skills on Masked Singer! Can't wait for ACE, they do SO many great covers.
Thank you so much .Im more of a Exo-L but I like some SJ songs & some members solos,They have my respect as one of the giants who contributed fir upliftment of kpop for years .This group's vocal talent is incredible and I feel like all are good vocalists very pleasant & melting .And KRY unit is crazily talented Ryuwook's melting cute angelic voice ,for Kyuhyun's Im speechless,he is a legend . Yesung's vocals are also very attractive.Im waiting for their album.
I like how you always give constructive feedback and are very respectable towards the members. I Love your channel please don’t feel like you have to shorten your videos; I’m sure we would all still watch them :)
Kyuhyun is my fav! From his singing technique and emotions, I’m just blown away by his amazing voice esp in his cover songs where strong vocal performances are required (e.g. Immortal & King of Mask) 🙌 Ryeowook’s crystal clear high voice astounds me and Yesung’s husky and soulful tone is a wonderful treat. These three are the best main vocal line in kpop. They’ve backed it up for the last 15yrs. I don’t know how others can claim otherwise unless you don’t know SJ.
Fantastic job!!! Thank you. Kyuhyun is my ultimate favorite--anytime anywhere, but I agree with you about Yesung. I could listen to Yesung happily all day. (It's just that Kyuhyun's voice gives me goosebumps. :) ) I appreciated where you put Donghae and Heechul--and Leeteuk. I thought your evaluation was fair and very well thought out. That was a huge job--and you scored an A+ in my opinion. Your comments have substance and evidence to back them up. You really know your music! Thanks for sharing that knowledge with us.
I actually really like Eunhyuk's singing. His opening verse in Love at First Sight is pretty. He's improved a lot over the years. I mean, for a rapper, his singing is really good. And of course, Kyuhyun is unparalleled. Apart from being gifted with a naturally beautiful voice, he also has a solid grasp of technique. It's absolutely mesmerising.
What I love about your videos is that you do something that I think nobody else does here on RUclips. Most Kpop group rankings are just lists with no reasoning or explanation for the placements, that’s fine because everyone deserves to have an opinion but still it’s very interesting to hear this in depth analysis because it makes the watcher reevaluate and try to be more objective. Don’t worry about making them long, it’s always interesting I swear. I bet you must have put a lot of effort into ranking Suju, thank you for that. Doing smaller groups next is a good idea too, it can help your subscribers discover more groups
Thank you very much. I love hearing when people value my slightly longer approach. I do get abit anxious about it. But it's great to know you guys value it. But yeah, now that we're growing abit, I'm excited to delve into smaller groups and hopefully people who may not know them. Can get new groups they love. Just like I do.
Never in my 10 years of listening to KPop did I think I would find such an unbiased, articulate, well spoken reviewer. Thank you so much for taking so SO much time (I can only imagine) to do proper research into these groups, and give your knowledge about vocals to us. I would much rather have someone like you that backs up EVERY word you say with your reasoning/facts/knowledge, than just have a half-assed tier list with no research other than the most popular members. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I can't sing your praises enough!
Thank you very very much, just read that with a huge smile on my face. Genuinely made my day. You're so kind! Its amazing to know that people like how I do things, and that my content is valuable. Honestly its comments like that, that make this whole thing worth it.
Yeah right?most rankings usually list d most popular above the real vocal kings,this list is just perfect
Yeah, this guy actually gives reasoning while some others pretend their professionals to prove their point
The fact that this video is 41:31 minutes long i can't imagine how much time u spent watcving sj performances and analyzing thel gotta say this is a lot of effort
We as elfs are so thankful for this
Fun fact: Super Junior K.R.Y announced an upcoming album a couple of days ago (it will be their first ever Korean album) after 14 long years , yes the fandom waited for FOURTEEN YEARS
And I just can't wait to be blessed with such incredible vocal excellence and I'm a sucker for ballads so it really is like heaven to me
wait WHAT? WHY DID I NOT HERE ABT THIS?
Shut the fuck up :o
Why isn't SME promoting this much more?!!!
WAIT RLLY???? I HAVENT HEARD????
For those who have not been blessed enough to hear K.R.Y Try this ruclips.net/video/tWxflb45wn0/видео.html. Their harmonies together make me so happy. ruclips.net/video/J2APs38p71w/видео.html
Sam 3 months ago: Chen is the best vocalist in kpop
Sam 2 weeks ago: Jonghyun is the best vocalist in kpop
Sam a few weeks ago: Kyuhyun is the best vocalist in kpop
The power of SM
Hahaha they're all up there for sure.
@@sambradley8297 definitely! SM trains their vocalists the best out of the big 3 in my opinion
and wendy
Well, objectively speaking Kyuhyun is way better than them. Jonhhyun was better Changmin. The best ones used to be Kyuhyun, Hwanwe, Sandeul folled by Ryewook. Not sure how things are nowadays.
Michel Rodrigues I definitely wouldn’t say Kyuhyun is “way” better than Jonghyun. They’re both insane vocalists
The best decision SM made was putting Kyuhyun into the group and abandoning the rotational concept. They would’ve lost the best trio of vocalists
Bur it is sad that henry cant join super junior as the main group not a sub unit. It was controversy at that time since adding member are consider bad at that time
Kim ? Zhoumi too ㅠㅠ
@@keyyys_ zhoumi still in sm and label sj so that's good
@@qawiemhaziq4650 Zhoumi is under Label SJ and technically still part of SJ-M, but SJ-M haven't been a thing for a while, so he's mostly a soloist now.
@@bandotaku i know
Finally someone recognizes Heechul’s vocal talent!! He’s such a talented vocalist! I think he could absolutely be a lead vocalist in the group if his leg injury didn’t prevent him from promoting with them
He was a lead singer during the debut days until he broke his voice in a live performance when performing 'U', many haters asked him to leave the group and he got the leg injury also, so SM entertainment asked him to be a rapper instead.
He definitely is a lead vocalist 💙
@@christabel0698 actually I think he asked SM to change his position because he became insecure
@@Awakening_Sunshine ahh yes he asked himself, he's not confident with himself, thanks for reminding 🙆♀️
Christabel Kok Yan Chan he’s definitely more confident now, but I’m sure he feels that he can’t ask to be a lead vocal because he can’t promote with them. It wouldn’t be fair for someone else to have to learn all his lines, in that case
@@Awakening_Sunshine yep, I'm glad also, thanks to the members especially Kyuhyun asked him to go to the Masked singer that show to help him gain back his confidence
Say what you want about SM but they know how to pick the best vocalists.
hands down, KRY is the BEST vocal line in the WHOLE K-pop, yes, all generations.
@Heechul's Petal🌸 their songs aren't my cup of tea but boy do I appreciate their skill! congrats to all elf! 💚
Agreee
OH YES, THEY ARE!
Actually, the best ones are Kyuhyun, Hwan Hee and Sandeul, followed by Ryewook so the distance between him and Kyuhyun aren't that narrow. After him we can see Chen. Funny that in western Yesung is so overated when his technique aren't nothing to write home about. But stans can be very annoying as they tend to rate their favorite as a top notch technical singer when they barely know what health technique really means.
Michel Rodrigues What kpop vocal line is better than K.R.Y? None. It’s this simple. Maybe there are two singers (which is actually pretty narrow) who can sing better than Reyewook, so what? As a unit, K.R.Y are still at the top, aren’t they?
PS: E.L.F aren’t that type of fans. We know the level of our idols. We’ve watched them climb to this well deserved rank through the past fifteen years. Step by step. We _know_ who they are.
the fact that this is 40+ minutes long and that you had to go through 10-15 years of discography is pretty amazing, thank you for all your hard work ❤️
Your channel is a nice break from all the toxic kpop youtubers and fans. I hope it will stay so chill in the future
Of course it will. I love doing these and you guys seem to really like them. So I'm never gonna change, don't you worry.
You really can't beat the vocals of a second generation group. That era everyone in a group had to have above average vocals. I have been a fan of Super Junior since the beginning...yeah I am old. lol I was happy to see you place Lee Tuek higher than most do and I agree. His voice is actually better now and has improved through the years. I have changed who I think has the best voice a million times through the years and admit my bias goes with Ryeowook and Yesung but understand where you are coming from placing Kyuhyun first. I look forward to their K.R.Y work upcoming soon.
I really love your videos...take as much time as is comfortable for you. Music to me is all about the vocals and its so nice to listen to someone rate them from a technical aspect while still letting us know who you love. I love Yesung too, the most unique voice in Kpop.
No you can't beat the vocalists of SM. 2nd generation idols a lot of them were weak vocalists kara after school (except raina) miss a 4minute 2ne1(except minzy). few groups like spica all SM groups brow eyed girls apink sistar btob ...were incredibly strong. Third generation there's Wendy who is good as taeyeon eunji..etc yuju another amazing vocalists mamamoo girls also exo vocalists are amazing as suju shinee. 4th generation still no amazing vocalists so far( lia mia miyeon all seems average) only fanatics RAYEON seems strong vocalist
The yeah I'm old killed me. I'm old too, so I'm there with you.😉
This not about preference, it's about technique. Kyuhyun is objectvely better than Ryewook and Yesung.
I feel like heechuls vocals are underrated, like people usually remember him as this funny and savage guy whos in variety shows and forget what an amazing vocal he is cause he gets like 3 seconds of lines in half of the songs
ohmajesus I couldn't agree more
That's so true. I personally as well didn't know he can sing so well until I listened to his work with kim jungmo
I’m still sad that he got a reputation for being bad at singing so early in his career, I feel like it really undermined his confidence in his singing for a lot of years
Part of the reason he gets so few lines is because he can't promote with them, so rather than giving him substantial lines on the album and having other members learn them, they just don't give him many lines
@@Awakening_Sunshine This is also why in songs like Sorry Sorry and Black Suit he doesn't have any parts until the end, so he doesn't have to overdo it physically and only needs to be on stage for the last part of the song.
Kyuhyun- the strongest idol male vocalists so far
Ryeowook- perfect pitch the best among all idols. Amazing agility good separation of notes. Nasality is still there
Yesung- good support but throatiness is still a huge problem for him can be very thin the higher he gets
Zhoumi- 4th strongest in suju good support very balanced mix most of the time strongest foreign male vocalist so far
"Being 9th or 10th in Super Junior is like being the lead vocalist anywhere else"
Truer words have never been said.
That is so true😂😂😂😂
I remember when I was first getting into SJ, I thought that some members were sorta fillers for the choreo since they didn’t get many lines, but I know now that their songs just aren’t long enough for all the members to show off what they can really do
"Everything is perfect"
This is how we need to describe Kyu's voice 😭👍
Even when he's talking, (not singing) I'm already hooked and willing to listen to it for the rest of my life TT
So... yeah! KRY is KRY for a reason~
Another perfect description of Kyu: “This guys is insane!”. The control the has over his voice and his resonance are indeed insane. He constantly amazes me and never disappoints. I just love his voice and his style of singing so much!
Kyuhyun is really the best vocalist out of SM male vocalists even one of the best in kpop in general. It is so amazing how he can support C5 while not many female vocalists can reach that level nowadays
He's vocalist in Kpop actually ot only in SM. Look at his vocal analysis. He's technique can be compared to Hyoshin and Naul
okay like this is going to be very interesting...there is no bad vocalist in suju
Yeah agree ❤
It's scary how Kyuhyun can tune his voice into any desired configuration and kill it well.
These are honestly some of the best vocal ranking videos I’ve ever seen! I always thought Shindong’s singing was super underrated. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much. Really means alot
Happy you included henry and kangin even though they no longer promote with SJ
Okay so what does he do with his voice? EVERYTHING!!! I lost my shit when you started with the top 3 xD
Honestly like they're all actually class. It gives me anxiety hahah
@@sambradley8297 major mood xD
1.Thank you for including 13 members
2. As a Donghae biased I was shocked when I saw him in seventh place but I immediately remembered how many freaking good singers SJ have 😎
3.I actually saw a lot of people saying Heechul doesn't have a good voice(just imagin that!!!) But I became so happy to see him in 5th place like someone finally said it
4.And for the last thing I have to say SAME BRO I really felt that while you were talking about K.R.Y They really have a perfect and insane voice
For my personal taste, Super Junior has the best vocal in all of Kpop. Not only in relation to K.R.Y. All members have unique voices. Each one is able to impress in their own way. And when their voices come together in harmony, it is something so beautiful and emotional that I have cried a few times listening to them. Kyuhyun has the best voice in all of Kpop. This is undeniable. However, my favorite voice is Yesung's, as he seems to cry through his voice. It's very emotional. I have a special affection for Siwon's voice, since he is my utt throughout Kpop. I am curiously emotional when he and Heechul sing together. It is something special for me. I would like him and Shindong to have more lines in the group's songs, or even, to release solos. I will continue to dream about it. Congratulations on the video, Samuel. It was very well grounded. And I'm sorry for my English mistakes. I'm Brazilian and I'm not fluent.
Yesung is my favorite too! Not just his voice, but everything about him. I just love him so much 💙💙💙 the top 3 are honestly so hard to rank
Meanwhile, Ryeowook & Siwon..............................
Wookie: Do
Siwon: Re
Wookie: Mi hihihihihi
Siwon: HHAHAHAHA
Siwon: FAAAAA
Wookie: SOOOOOOOO
Siwon: LAAAAAAAAAAA
Wookie: TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Siwon: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wookie: LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Siwon: MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Wookie: FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Wookie & Siwon: BWAAAHAHHAHAHAH
Heechul: WAAHAHHAHHA WAHAHHA
Siwon: SOOOOOOOOOL
Wookie: LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Siwon & Wookie: On the floor
Cameraman: Dead from silently laughing
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That video was hilarious.
The cameraman is actually Donghae
@@anhle7022 😂😂😂
I hate that I can hear this!!🤣
and the laughter from Heechul lol
Thank you SO MUCH for this bc honestly I'm an elf but they all amaze me so it's been really hard to organize where I'd place them in my head. The one reason I tend to put Yesung higher, and why others may as well, is I feel like he tends to show more emotion on his face as he sings. While Ryeowook and Kyuhyun sing more stably, I don't feel the same emotion when they sing, which adds a lot to the overall performance. But I do agree with your ranking, and again THANK YOU!!!
I'm loving your outrage over how good KRY are hahaha. I completely agree with how you ranked them, Yesung is my fave since he's so so so emotive when he sings but you cannot deny that Kyuhyun is just a god amongst men when it comes to singing.
I was lucky enough to see SJ perform live last year, and hot damn even with massive mic issues Ryeowook and Yesung sounded beyond amazing. I think I would've died if Kyuhyun was with them omg.
@aviatorcap I so agree that Yesung shows more emotion and makes me FEEL his passion more; that's really what does it for me ☁️☁️
Wow!!!good for you!!seeing them perform live remains a dream for me!!!
UGH i totally want to hear them sing live someday...it must be a totally different experience than just listening on the computer
@@mapotofu9830 Their energy is insane on stage!
So I got into KPop when Ryeowook was doing his military service so I didn't know until he completed it how amazing he is. Great. But then Kyuhyun completed his service and returned. Only in a group with Kyuhyun would Ryeowook be second. That is how unbelievably great they are, and because of them, everyone else in the group may not seem to shine as brightly as they deserve. Someday I want Changmin, Ryeowook, Kyuhyun, Baekhyun, Chen, and Taeil to sing together. Can you imagine? Can you? That would be insane.
That'd be absolutely a blessing for the ears. SM vocals are top tier in K-Pop. No close second.
That would be crazy .I really liked Changmin,Chen ,Kyuhyun singing Bollaro .
세상에서제일빛나는런쥔 I feel like Only cube entertainment can give them a run for their money
You should add onew to that list
@@Doyoungismyfave Thats true,Onew is wow
Thank you for doing 13 members, and seeing the clips you've used you really did go through most of their discography/live performances
So really thank you for the time and efforts you put in this videos, it means a lot to us as fans, because Super Junior are often forgotten when people talk about vocals even tho they literally have (objectively) the TOP2 best singers in Kpop and arguably the most unique voice and talent ever (Yesung)
I literally don't know anything about Super Junior, but I'm here to appreciate your hard work and effort!
Please give them a listen of you can and feel inclined too
@@XimenaSu1609 yeah i've listened to some of their stuff but i'm not interested in beyond the casual listen.
@@phix27 Thanks for listening to them all the same :)
I mean the fact that he spent 40+ minutes for this video is just incredible 👏
You should check out their variety show stuff. Sometimes it's fun to see what idol groups do outside of singing
I've followed them for 14 years and the top 3 is always changing for me but it's always KRY. I know Kyuhyun has a great powerful voice, then Yesung appears with just one syllable and you can feel the blast of emotion and then wookie and his clear high notes appear ... And repeat... It's a treat.
I'm so glad the KRY album is finally
It was really enjoyable to hear an objective ranking of SuJu vocals. I'm not really a super huge fan of their group work, so I could be wrong, but I always get the impression that Ryeowook's vocal ability is severely underrated, even by the fandom itself. Most people outside of the fandom (who've heard him sing/know he exists) seem to agree that Kyuhyun is one of, if not THE outright best male idol vocalist, and most people in the fandom seem to really adore Yesung's vocal color. Whereas I always felt like Ryeowook had the unenviable position of not having as well-liked a tone as Yesung's and not as objectively superior technique as Kyuhyun's. His voice surprises me no matter how many times I've heard it. I always think it's going to be much thinner and shriller than it actually is, so the sheer volume of his voice floors me every time.
That being said...Kyuhyun...damn, the lungs on that man...I thought his voice was pretty when some of his solo work came up on random shuffle but one listen to the SMtown Bolero and the Masquerade performance on Immortal Songs and I was completely won over. Guy could release a full album of him singing the alphabet with that stupidly gorgeous vibrato of his and I'd be more than happy.
This comment got way too long but yes, I second all the requests for B1A4's Sandeul. The other members (no matter how much I love them and their voices) aren't nearly as good technique wise but goddamn Sandeul is a monster.
To be honest I've always liked Kyuhyun's and Ryeowook's voice colors way more than Yesung's (he sounds too strained and exaggerated for my like). I ended up finding not only some people agree with me, but also Kyu and Wookie are much better and smarter vocalists.
@@michelrodrigues5686 Oh oof. I have nothing against Yesung, but his throatiness occasionally borders on painful to listen to for me. It really makes me worry about his vocal chords sometimes. He's definitely had some performances where he knocks it out of the park, like the IS2 the More I Love You one, but he is a much less consistent of a vocalist than the other two. The one thing I never got was how everybody seems to agree that /objectively/ he expresses emotions the best out of the three, when emotions have always been a wholly subjective thing. (Also seeming to make the implicit assumption that emotions=sadness.) His style of singing just means he expresses them more overtly, such as through added adlibs or stylistic raspiness, whereas someone like Kyuhyun would rely on dynamics and such. Well, to each their own I suppose.
I agree with you about RyeoWook's voice, though I know ELFs who prefer his voice. I love KRY. I love how YeSung makes me feel like my soul is breaking with a simple song. I love how KyuHyun warms my heart, because his voice is really soothing. BUT I am kinda addicted to RyeoWook's voice because I think he is really unique. He's not even my bias in the group, but I still find his voice fascinating. «Meet him among them» is like... I just can't express how beautiful his notes are. The color of his voice is the most beautiful in the group for me.
It was Ryeowook who made me like this group and made me stay for 10 years. So I'm so happy when people appreciates him.
Yesung’s voice is what made me notice Super Junior and now I stan them (sadly very late). His is the only voice that gives me goosebumps, leaves me in awe, make my jaw drop to the floor, scalps me completely bald and make me cry due to my emotions and feels. One RUclipsr said his voice is the voice of god and I couldn’t agree more. Listening to him sing, especially when he unleashes his runs, adlibs and belts at the end of songs, is like a religious experience. That man’s voice and the way he uses it are really something special.
Dude, I don’t know about everyone else, but I’d watch you talk about this stuff for a few hours. I hope you’re not feeling like you have to shorten things when you would rather elaborate more. Either way, you’ve been doing a great job with these and they’re very interesting to watch, I hope you have lot of fun making them :)
Thank you haha. Means alot.
Saaaaaame 💘
yeaahh I agree!! U were talking too fast and out of breath. It's okay to make a long video thoo, bcs your videos are really goodd :))
If you ever do a lengthier version for super junior im also gonna watch the whole thing shshhshhs pls consider if you dont mind!!!
@@Detnaq this is about as long as I could go. I ended up speaking longer than I planned for anyway, there isn't too much more to say, I just cut some of the waffle I tend to do hahaha
I remember watching Kyuhyun covering Jonghyun's songs on KoMS. I was kinda shocked/amazed/touched/... idk just a kind of emotion i had never had towards any other singers. (I quickly forgot it later since he wasnt doing anything that sounded enormous) so Im not surprised to see him ranked 1st. Thanks to you that now i really understand how good he is.
This performance gave me chills, it was so beautiful.
@@tdelioncourt1268 you mean 'those'? Yeah they were excellent
Im usually strict towards artists that do covers (im a shawol so i am extra strict to these) but man, this guy, really, i cant complain
Not to mention the fact he was wearing a mask! I cringe when I see some senseless stans saying he lacks in the emotion department. The fact he doesn't need to overdo and force like certain idols doesn't mean he lacks it. It's actually a huge LACK of sense of certain Kpop stans.
I'm a yesung biased but i think i agree that sometimes when yesung sings i'm like "babe, you're perfect but i'm so concerned about your throat at the same time"😂😂
I honestly think the whole group is underrated for their vocals. I've been to some Super Shows and while I love their energy on stage, it is always the ballad medley that blows me away. The fact that all their voices sound so different yet it meshed into this suju sound which I cannot put in words. It amazes me every single time. I feel like telling ppl, stop sleeping on their vocals just because they dance on stage! I'm sad that we're missing out Heechul and Sung min's beautiful voice in future super show...I love listening to both.
On a side note, I attended a KRY concert about 4 or 5 years ago. It was one of the best eargasm ever. I'm dying to go another even if it means I need to fly to another country again. Back then, Ryeowook had the most amazing live (could be he was in his best condition). Can't wait to go again and hear how much they have improved after the military!
Thank you so much for the video! I'm personally a Ryeowook bias, but I agree with your top 3. A lot of times I am worried when listening to Yesung singing. Like boy, you got a great voice! Stop straining it like that!
The fact that Eunhyuk, with that vocal compilation, came last in a group of 13 people really shows the level that Suju is.
Also really enjoy how you bring out the best in everyone’s voices!
Yesung is my vocal bias too, but I love how you were so objective in the rankings
I came here to say this!! Like, he's rank 13 out of 13 but his clips are already sooo good. I was like, wtf?? if eunhyuk like this kyuhyun will send me straight to heaven 💀💀
Amazing video and ranking! I've been an elf for almost 10 years and the "dispute" between who is the best singer has been in the fandom forever. I've always said that Kyu is number 1 (i adore all of them, but Kyuhyun's voice just gets me) but since i don't know any technical words i was just like "BUT LISTEN TO HIM HE'S SOO GREAT". Now i can show your video as backup lol.
I just realize.. if eunhyuk is last of the group then all of suju members are bunch of vocalist.. 😅
Ikr😅.. I don't even feel offended bc eunhyuk is a good vocalist😅
There no bad vocalist in SJ. In the end it's most range, versality and genre. He nailed Shindong in this. I always thought that Shin's vocal doesnt really fit with SJ musics, but his vocal can and does shine.
PS: it also begs the question tho. 2 of last are scouted based on their dancing ability. Was their vocal training were less, well, in depth because they are main dancers?
@@kamuigrey4597 This! When I first found videos of Shindong singing alone I was like... "HE CAN SING 😯". SuJu is such a well-rounded group.
As for the PS, that's likely what happened, playing to the members' strengths.
@@nine1zero3zero2 I feel somewhat sad if that's the case tho. The bottom three are main dancers and visual. Was it because they were not considered 'singer' line so their vocal training was just so? Do the singer line has more in depth and thorough vocal training?
Exact same thought! What a legend suju is..
Kyuhyun is so amazing and I thank god he is still with us today
I'm a bit surprised that you include Henry and Zhoumi, really thankful for that.
Not to mention you put Zhoumi in such a high rank, that guy really deserve it. Such an underated vocal.
I love your top 5.
And top 3, KRY, their rank for me is not important.
In the end, we all know KRY is the best. Hahahaa
Don't forget that KRY will get their first korean album. Yeay!
And thank you for your effort to make this video!
Yesung is really everyones favourite even among their members. But I totally agree on Kyuhyun being number 1. His vocals are god tier, I can't imagine Suju without his voice.
Everyone's?
Yes you are right
I feel nothing when Kyuhyun sings.He is bland. I feel sorry because overall I really like him. He has an excellent technique, pleasant voice but there is something missing -the essence (?)Maybe his voice is not emotive enough or he is not feeling it , don't know. I recommend the king of the kings called God's voice -Park Hyo Shin ! He is out of this world and that is a real god tier :)
@@michelrodrigues5686 Well , singing is an art form .It is not only about technique and 'high notes' but also about delivery, story telling , evoking feelings. Yesung's voice is deep ,emotive and very lyrical, he resonates with a lot of people and obviously affects them so...There must be something unique about him then .
@@seokhwawillow311 girl, those are very subjective matter. To you , Kyuhyun's singing sounds bland and you don't feel anything from it but to his fans, knetz and people who religiously streaming his songs say the otherwise tho
I swear, Ryeowook has got to have one of my top 3 favorite voices in kpop. It's so unique, but still so skilled and powerful, yet it has a softness to it. I totally see why Kyuhyun is number 1, of course he is, no surprise there, but I simply prefer Ryeowook's vocal tone. Even though I don't hard-core Stan SuJu anymore, I still adore Ryeowook's voice.
Okay, I'm gonna stop rambling now, I could literally go on for several pages about how much I adore his voice.
Thank you for the hard work and effort put into this video, I know it probably wasn't easy, but the finished product is excellent.
Thea Bruun He’s in my top 3 for sure, along with Onew
Stevie Carr Same. Onew and Ryeowook are probably my top 2
Thea Bruun 100% 👌🏻💜🙌🏻😩
Thank you so much! This is a vocal list where I don't feel bad for the last placers, as they still are exceptional singers. Also, Kyuhyun deserves that number 1 spot. I remember having a bad sore throat just because I tried to sing Kyuhyun's line in one of Suju's songs. That man has RANGE!
Still can't get over how many times I repeated that outro because I didn't understand ACE (I heard it as Ass, sorry lol). My brain went dead after hearing vocal kings.
In my opinion, the reason why I thought kyuhyun always placed on 3rd rank by ELF could be because he sang lower notes too often while yesung and ryeowook sang the higher ones. It doesn't mean yesung and ryeowook wanted to dominated the song, it's just kyuhyun is the only one who can reach the lower notes without hearing so breathy or just a whisper. Well I know nothing about vocal, it's just based on my observation :)
Yeahh the guy is just so humble, he never want to outshine or outpower his members when he sing in a group. And I know most of people have this mindset that screaming high notes is equally good vocalists
But now in 2022, i think most of ELFs have recognized Kyuhyun's is the best of the best not only in SJ but in the whole KPOP industry.
Yesung actually trains some sm rookies if I'm not wrong so the guy knows EXACTLY what he's doing so when his technique is on point is ON POINT and when he does all the things he shouldn't he also knows what hes doing but choosing style over technique and we can tell he husrts but he keeps doing it and ugh whatever he does whatever he wants
Also I love how passionate you get when you talk about him though 😂
You're blind as fuck. Hope he's much more careful nowadays. His vocal condition during K.R.Y 2015 tour is just too sad. Keeping a health condition to your vocal chords is still the best way.
@@michelrodrigues5686 ok first of all being a bit nicer wouldn't hurt you I bet. And of course it was sad he had vocal nodules and still had to go on a tour... He's a grown man after all, he should know how far to take things but he still does the things he shouldn't just to sound a certain way. I'm telling nothing but the truth.
@@michelrodrigues5686 @elfzen Yesung is Top 1. even kyu respect yesung's voice. Have you heard yesung covering kyu song, it was more emotional. hahaha
@@firefly8383 Kyuhyun can support C5 and Yesung can't even be consistent with his Bb4. Ya’ll overestimate Yesung’s vocal capabilities. Stop.
Yes, Yesung has his drawbacks, but we love his voice the most, it's so colorful💗💗💗
Subjective
@@michelrodrigues5686 you are yesungs haters lol
@@cicitcuitt2057 Check somr vocal technique website and lessons and see this is not about hating you dumb ass. Of course his stans are stinky! They're so 🤮🤮🤮
I really like Leeteuk's voice, sure he's not the most powerful vocalist but I find it very satisfying to listen to.
and YES Zhoumi! he is impressive, from balads to his "metal" voice in the iconic Don't Don break, gosh that makes me miss him even more.
Zhoumi comeback last year was great. Also the song he wrote for Wuhan his hometown was just beautiful. I love that he included the younger SM generation in I'll be the for you, I thought the WayV boys really blended well with Zhoumi. Can't wait to see what he does next.
This is a fair observation for me as an ELF. Most people might see them as a ‘comedian group’ since they’re goofin' around sooo much and forget how good they can be 😄 They’re all talented while excel more in certain area. Like Eunhyuk and Shindong, might be the last two in vocals but as SJ main dancer, rapper and the creative brain of SJ (or SM too now?) stage/MV performance, they’re #1!
Has no doubt on the big 3, I might weep every time hearing Kyu’s singing live! Lets wait KRY first full album this June Haha..
Oow i can talk about them all day 😄 Thank you for doing this..
Your 1~3 were what I expected. Personally Ryeowook is my favorite and a lot of people dismissed his voice earlier on because of its nasality, so it makes me really happy to see him praised like this.
Super Junior is the first kpop act I've ever heard and Yesung is one my favorite voices of all time. Thanks for all of this amazing analysis 💗
Shindong: second last ranked
Also shindong: king of masked singer
this comment is so funny truly the power suju holds
His problem is just his vocal doesnt really suit SJ overall musics, but give him suitable song and Shindong vocal can and do shine.
PS: I love ballad singer Shindong. He would fit those sad, asian 80's ballads.
Truuuee! Shindong has a unique timbre! Deep, a lil bit rough in low note but in higher note can be soft and touching! I love his tone ❤️
So glad to finally see a really unbiased view of SJ vocals. But I promise, try going to a super show (or any of their live performances) and you will really see (hear?) how good Yesung's vocals are. His parts just leave you breathless. Goosebumps.
Have you been to a live performance? I really want to go just to hear Yesung sing live!
I've watched super show and for the first time I heard a sound that gave me goosebumps and pierced my heart.
And you know what my bias is Kyuhyun but Yesung's voice is really on another level, and I always unconsciously hold my breath when Yesung's singing part
After seeing how detailed and interesting all these videos of godly vocals of super junior and i still don't understand how reacttothek not react and analyse these men so much eye-
Yes, Sungmin's voice is like honey, hope one day he returns to the group😢🙏
I felt very attacked this whole video "I know a lot of people would put Shindong below Eunhyuk" "I know many will be surprised to see Donghae so low" "I know a lot of you rank Yesung first because you like his voice"
I was just kinda pre warning people that my opinion differed abit from what I saw alot online that's all. No offence meant what so ever.
@@sambradley8297 Ah no I was joking! It's really funny actually that you predicted us so well XD
@@brieebruh9383 ah hahaha, sorry I'm so bad at gauging jokes over text hahaha. My bad.
You're about to pull me back into my hardcore elf days lol
Me too bro, me too.. I'm going to listen to some KRY and masked singer performances now
Well, in leeteuk's case it's just matter of not being allowed to sing in his natural range ,tessiture & pitch.
Also, imho he's the most stable live.
I guess he just need a bit more of the vocal training he gave up because there are already other main vocals in the group😁 he is really naturally gifted,so I hope he'll get motivation to work more on perfecting his super nice voice & someday we'll finally have the long awaited solo album😇
I was honestly only expecting OT9, thank you so much for including all 13 members! Great video as always 😊
My dream is to sing like Kyuhyun. A SM main vocal ranking would be interesting. Also, please ranks Loona, Izone ans ACE
I really miss Kangin's voice and personality in suju, adds extra flavor in their songs.
I keep coming back to red velvet's guesting on a song for you because 1. gottaloveredvelvet 2. gottalovef(x)-amber 3. gottalovesuju-kangin
Omg so me! :'(
yessss... his voice.. was so unique!! in entire Kpop..
yea i miss him too
I just love the objectivity. Yoou clearly state which voice you favor, but you don't put them first unless they are objectively the best. You did a super, no pun intended, job with this ranking! I can't wait to see what you have to say about A.C.E, I was one of the people that requested them. Great job!
Henry treats his voice like just another of his instruments, but true, his technic is not very good at times😢
Can you do a tier list for female Main Vocalists like Taeyeon, Jessica, Luna, Solar and more?
I will certainly look into that, once I have got a really good amount of people analysed.
@@sambradley8297 maybe you could do a tier list for all the people you rank as first in their groups and we'll find the best of the best
Given that suggestion, he can also rank the number 1's for most of the groups he's done and see how the best of the best compare... That'll be the hardest ranking of his career.
I am telling you, that is not a good idea and I don't want this to happen in this channel. KVA had received a lot of shit comments from fans who cannot accept their bias ranked lower than they expected. There are some who is using it to hate on others, just to prove this group is not good or so... Samuel Bradley, just rank them within the group and just continue what you are doing, but please I am begging you not to rank them as a whole.
@Sadecebirinsan True, but fans are not familiar with them. SM neglected them so bad. Hayss...
KRY has god-tier vocals!!! I think it's just a matter of taste or what you prefer the most, since all 3 vocals are different from each.
I prefer Yesung's. He has such a unique tone and his style is amazing! His voice is so beautiful and powerful. His imperfections are what made him perfect. He deserves to be recognized more as a great singer not just in Korea but the whole world.
I would have put Eunhyuk higher personally.
His imperfection can really hurt his chords so no...
Having Kyuhyun as my favorite is the best decision I've ever made. The voice that made stay in KPop. I'm so proud of the best male vocalist in Kpop.
your camera presence and way of speaking was really enjoyable to watch here, it seemed like you really enjoyed ranking these vocal kings.
Oh I absolutely. The more of these I do and the more you guys enjoy them, I'm letting a little more of my personality to come though a bit.
@@sambradley8297 good to hear! you have a nice way of speaking when you're comfortable
Yesung is my bias but honestly i cant even rank KRY's voice since they have different technique and tone. You did a great job for this :)
Teukkie being on #8 means a lot. I also disagree on teuk being bottom 3 in other rankings and lists. People tend to forgot his singing ability because its being overshadowed by his mc skills and humour. 🐥🐥🐥
Super Junior: "All of them could be the main vocal of their own group." No bigger truth has been spoken.
The ranking literally goes: KRYYYY!
😂😂 I agree with the top 3 Kyuhyun has Perfect technic, Ryeowook little less range, and Yesung (incredible, imagine being 3rd to Kyu, and Wookie and still being the Favorite! 🤯)
From SUJU, my personal favorite voices are Yesung and Heechul. Shindong is my honorable mention since I always end up loving his lines in every song. I'm so happy he has gotten more lines on the 9th album.
Guys everyone should go and listen to "Blue" from the "I Think U" Japanese album!
Brilliant ranking again. SuJu have and will always be my ultimate bias male group. Their songs, personalities, variety skills etc etc are just fantastic. And the quality of their top vocalist(s) is no joke. Yesung has always been my favourite too, his voice is very manly and at times rough, which was also why I liked Kangin's vocals too. But you cannot pretend that Kyuhyun isn't No.1 in vocals. He has literally been blessed with one of the best voices in all kpop, let alone SM. His voice is like liquid gold, on honey lol. I wasn't too surprised that my bias Eunhyuk ended up bringing up the rear. He does have a lovely, gentle voice, but ultimately he is their rapper and main dancer .... so no hurt feelings :P
thank you for this !!! it must’ve taken a long time
It did indeed haha. Pretty much 3 full days of research and clip gathering and editing. I hope you enjoy!
Thank you so much for including Zhoumi and Henry! Was wondering for a while about SJ’s vocal ranking, and I knew that Heechul’s such a good vocalist. He has improved so much since the earlier years of his career..
I think he's defo improved and although inconsistent is a lot more stable,, but at the same time because of his past smoking habits, drinking habits and continuous talking for variety talk shows he can't sing super high anymore which makes me a lil' sad :(
I just love your excitement when you're talking about Kyuhyun's voice.
Kyuhyun voice is my favorite from the whole kpop industry.
Fun fact; he IS THE ONLY MALE IDOL who win five times (or six, i don't remember so well hehe) on king of masked singer.
Others main vocals went at the show but no one ever win once, Kyuhyun is incredible!!!
He's always recognized by his amazing voice😻
Five times! And the current King of Masked Singer is actually WINNER's Seungyoon (is on a 6x strike already!), so there's been another male idol. But Kyuhyun will always be the first, in 5 years the show has been running! O.O
@@XimenaSu1609 i didn't about that! Then Kyuhyun and Seungyoon are the only male idols who wins on koms👍
other than my curiosity of who would be in the lowest places, i definitely really wanted to know who would be 1st 2nd and 3rd out of KRY and wow im so impressed by your explanation and also SO IMPRESSED by their voice.... its crazy that they have the best vocal line in kpop i hope people would see them more than sorry sorry and mr simple 😂😭 thank you so much for this video!
I laughed so hard with
Heechul can do everything Sungmin can, and more SOMETIMES
HAHAHAHAHAHA
True though. Inconsistent. Maybe because he himself doesn't think of himself as a singer? He does a LOT of other things and does them really well...people know him more in variety shows and hosting. Unfortunate because this probably affects his consistency in singing. Still, even with that, he does sound soooo good for me. When he belts, it sounds so satisfying to me 😍
Yesung's voice is so beautiful, sweet, sensual and unique. His voice is out of this world. Yesung is #3 in "The Most Best Unique Voice in the World". By TENS, YESUNG is #1 Most Perfect K-Pop Singers - #1 Best Lead Vocalist of Korean Boybands - # 2 K-Pop with the Best Voice. He is, Best male singer and Most Unique Singing Voice in K-Pop. K.R.Y ( kyuHyun. RyeoWook. Yesung) are the highest ranked Idols in Korea's Vocal Analisis Ranking, respectively.
yes! your top 3 are the same as mine!! the great never ending discussion between ELF lmao I like all of their voices, but regardless of technical skills I'm personally very partial to yesung, heechul, kyuhyun and kangin's voices. I would listen to them all day
These people in this list have very beautiful vocal tones
I really expected KRY as the top 3 in this list. They are insane! Though I am Ryeowook biased, I really really acknowledge and love Kyuhyun's vocals. It's whole and has variety. That's why I like listening to Kyuhyun's solo albums. Anyways, the reason I love Ryeowook is because of his voice too. I really don't like nasal but his Little Prince song made me appreciate his vocals a lot. Well apart from his personality too haha.
If I can suggest a group to analyze it'll be Vromance. They're not big but they're the brother group of Mamamoo, so they are all amazing vocally as well.
Wow.. Super Junior.. Thank you for the effort.. 13 members is good enough..
I love this video so much
*hears kyuhyun's voice*
"What does this man do ?
EVERYTHING!!!!
I havent watched it yet but 40 minutes! You hardworking man!
Hahaha thank you very much, I just want it to be as detailed as I can for you guys.
Thank you so much for this work you do🥺 I loved your review and I also loved how you were respectful with everyone's opinion. But what I loved the most is that you mentioned HeeChul and Zhou Mi in the TOP5, because I always thought they are really amazing vocalists.
Thank you.
My bias unit is KRY. And I agree with the ranking. Kyuhyun' vocal control is magnificent. He has wide range of voice and also well placed. He can deliver low and high notes effortlessly. His voice is well controlled, full, vibrant and resonant. No wonder you can still here him loud and clear even when the microphone is far from his mouth (example: Masquerade perf). Ryeowook has crystal clear voice, so full and not screechy even when singing high notes
but like what you have said his weakness is his low notes. He is much comfortable in singing highnotes. Yesung on the other hand, truly added spice and emotion to SJ's songs, that makes him ELF's favorite but his style of singing kind of bothers me, because it sound painful, in terms of execution. He put so much weight in his voice, that's why everytime he sings low notes, it's barely audible, moreso it's like murmurs already, then when he sings high notes, it's straining (example is My All is In you), which I really found painful to the throat. But nevertheless he still sings great. I really love his vocal color and his emotion/gestures in singing, but I'm more concern about his vocal cords.
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My ranking - technique-wise (active members only)
1. Kyuhyun
2. Ryeowook
3. Yesung
4. Heechul
5-6. Leeteuk or Donghae
7. Siwon
8. Eunhyuk
9. Shindong
Personal preference (vocal color/style)
1. Kyuhyun
2. Yesung
3. Ryeowook
4. Heechul
5. Eunhyuk
6. Donghae
7. Shindong
8. Leeteuk
9. Siwon
My fav one is yesung cuz i love husky voice so bad but i do agree 100% with this vocal ranking😎😎😎
Even though Eunhyuk is my favorite member, I think I would agree with his ranking. The poor guy never has a chance to sing as one of the group's main rappers and dancers, so it makes sense that he hasn't improved much. But I've also noticed he actively avoids any chance he's given to sing and tries to play it off as a joke whenever he's asked to do so. I think his lack of confidence really prevents him from growing and reaching his true potential. And I know he has it because his voice really is so lovely 😭
Loved the video! Please a Kyuhyun solo video on why he’s good pls
Wow, great video, massively appreciate the work that went into this. This ranking seems pretty spot on. I was so glad when Kyuhyun got to show off his skills on Masked Singer! Can't wait for ACE, they do SO many great covers.
Thank you so much .Im more of a Exo-L but I like some SJ songs & some members solos,They have my respect as one of the giants who contributed fir upliftment of kpop for years .This group's vocal talent is incredible and I feel like all are good vocalists very pleasant & melting .And KRY unit is crazily talented Ryuwook's melting cute angelic voice ,for Kyuhyun's Im speechless,he is a legend . Yesung's vocals are also very attractive.Im waiting for their album.
I like how you always give constructive feedback and are very respectable towards the members. I Love your channel please don’t feel like you have to shorten your videos; I’m sure we would all still watch them :)
Kyuhyun is my fav! From his singing technique and emotions, I’m just blown away by his amazing voice esp in his cover songs where strong vocal performances are required (e.g. Immortal & King of Mask) 🙌
Ryeowook’s crystal clear high voice astounds me and Yesung’s husky and soulful tone is a wonderful treat.
These three are the best main vocal line in kpop. They’ve backed it up for the last 15yrs. I don’t know how others can claim otherwise unless you don’t know SJ.
Fantastic job!!! Thank you. Kyuhyun is my ultimate favorite--anytime anywhere, but I agree with you about Yesung. I could listen to Yesung happily all day. (It's just that Kyuhyun's voice gives me goosebumps. :) ) I appreciated where you put Donghae and Heechul--and Leeteuk. I thought your evaluation was fair and very well thought out. That was a huge job--and you scored an A+ in my opinion. Your comments have substance and evidence to back them up. You really know your music! Thanks for sharing that knowledge with us.
I Love that you Love Yesung as much as we do!! Thank you for creating this video on Super Junior 🌸
I feel so attacked when you say everyone puts yesung first because we love his voice because yes, I'm that person 😂😂
I actually really like Eunhyuk's singing. His opening verse in Love at First Sight is pretty. He's improved a lot over the years. I mean, for a rapper, his singing is really good. And of course, Kyuhyun is unparalleled. Apart from being gifted with a naturally beautiful voice, he also has a solid grasp of technique. It's absolutely mesmerising.
Though Yesung is my man, I first fell in love with Kangin’s voice. It’s not often that a KPOP Idol group has a masculine/manly voice.
What I love about your videos is that you do something that I think nobody else does here on RUclips. Most Kpop group rankings are just lists with no reasoning or explanation for the placements, that’s fine because everyone deserves to have an opinion but still it’s very interesting to hear this in depth analysis because it makes the watcher reevaluate and try to be more objective. Don’t worry about making them long, it’s always interesting I swear. I bet you must have put a lot of effort into ranking Suju, thank you for that. Doing smaller groups next is a good idea too, it can help your subscribers discover more groups
Thank you very much. I love hearing when people value my slightly longer approach. I do get abit anxious about it. But it's great to know you guys value it. But yeah, now that we're growing abit, I'm excited to delve into smaller groups and hopefully people who may not know them. Can get new groups they love. Just like I do.