If you keep your index finger up at the front of the choil, the knife will not cut you when one hand closing. The comparison of the 2 is interesting. The msi wins edc tasks hands down, but for hard use the ad10 wins no contest. Bushcrafters and survivalists frequently carry an ad10 or the 4 max scout as back up knife to their fixed blades. The triad lock gets stronger the more it wears in. Knife destruction testers like the Dutch bushcraft boys failed to break the Ad10 and 4 max scout, stopped trying after they determined they were going to risk severe injuries if they did manage to break them. Their video's are epic! The holes in the handle have a fun story. The CEO of Cold steel Lynn Thompson went down to the research and development department and saw a prototype of the ad10 and wanted to go test it out, the head of R&D quickly grabbed the prototype from Lynn and drilled the holes through the handle and handed it back to Lynn with a hardened steel pin to put through the hole as an emergency safety. They knew Lynn would try to break it. It passed Lynns test with flying colors, he returned it to the R&D guys and said it's perfect, move it into production. The Knife delivered to the production team was the same knife Lynn tested and the factory copied it exactly holes and all. They weren't supposed to be on the producion knives. Great video.
The safest way to close a Tri-Ad lock is to depress the lock release just enough to disengage it then move your fingers out of the way of the closing, and push the back of the blade against your leg or with your other hand. Its not fidget friendly or fast. Some Tri-Ad are easier to close than others, with some of them if you keep your index finger all the way up to the top of the handle the riccaso is big enough that it will fall on your index preventing the blade from hitting you. But not with all designs. There's no argument that the axis type lock is easier to actuate, and some knife designs with them are very strong. You should acquire a ColdSteel Recon 1 spear point, its a better knife overall, and preforms normal knife tasks much easier because it has good blade geometry. If tou wait for a sale it can be acquired for under $100USD. The AD-10 & 4Max are overbuilt tanks suitable for extreme use and "survival" but they don't have good blade geometry for the usual cutting/slicing tasks. These are knives you give to grunt soldiers who don't have much experience or skill using knives. They will survive and get the job done, and they're awesome for what they are. But someone who has a lot of experience and skill would choose something else.
Well when you have to mod the knife with all of the modern updates and sharpening choil so that it doesn't have lock failure, idk how that is a win. Also the AD10s clip is like that because it is based one for one on andrew demkos custom AD10. Cold steel didn't produce that knife until 2019, same year that Andrew allowed them to start producing the AD-15 which is also based one for one with Andrews custom AD-15. Which neither of them come out of the box failing spine wack tests.
Yes! These two Knives aren't in the same Catagory. Or, have the same purpose. The AD10 was built for hard use and heavy-duty Folding Knife Tasks. The MSI is a Lightweight, Light-Duty Folder that has a Fun Fidgeting Lock Type; it's meant to be a great, larger, SDUEDC Folder, in my opinion. I don't put them in the same Catagory. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I just ordered the Original Goat scales for the ad10 today . I thought about it for a while , like a few days and felt I liked the knife enough to go for it . I also like a BM Freek and Griptialian with a hole and the blue liners and standoffs has been a solid use knife for me personally .When I hear people complain about BM prices I think if that griptilian was $180 last time I checked which is a good deal considering the warranty.
My polymer MSI had significant lock stick so I returned it. Really wanted to keep it but I saw damage on the slide & wasn’t paying for a defective knife.
All knife people do know axis locks. The ram lock is pretty good for sure but there are a ton of options in reality that are on the same lvl. I guess you need some update. Also the ram lock is not the same as an axis lock. Its just similar in use. The only reason people recommend the cold steel tri ad lock is that the cold steel tri ad lock is stronger then the axis locks or most other locks if they are not very overbuild. Cold steels new atlas lock is easier to use and similar strong. You can get a very strong liner lock on the microtech socom as well. Or a lot of very strong framelock like on the reate t1000. Thats also a great knife. The mainstream shark lock system from demko is also very strong and can be opened like an axis lock as well. Get some demko ad20 for 450$. Thats a great thing as well. I personally prefer the button lock because its the most comfortable system for me to use and to fidget with Obviously button locks are generally not the strongest. But you can overbuild it as well. Andre de villiers button lock knives are very good and strong enough if you take the full size versions. I did a lot of wood chopping with the Pitboss and it held up nice. The crkt deadbolt lock is also very strong and good to operate. You can find it on the crkt clever girl. Its as strong as any axis lock and also easy to use.
The AD-10 isn’t an old design it was designed to be a folding bushcraft knife which is why the handle is rounded to fill out the palm for less fatigue and you have that big wide blade profile I used my AD-10 to chop through a small tree that fell across a trail by my house using full chopping swings and it performed like a beast. They’re both great but the AD-10 is more purpose built, just sayin. Love your channel by the way, good stuff. 👍
I encourage you to test them against each other - just because a vehicle may have a great entertainment systme and paint job doesn’t mean the engines are the same- I think if one is to use for true hard work environment than there’s one clear winner -
@@CuttingBoardRx that is my humble opinion - also do to thickness of the blade and just the total build in general - many knives claim hard use but very few can be tested and survive
Operator error! :-) You just need to learn how to operate a Andrew Demko Tri-Ad Lock. I am sure it was suggested to you because of the failures you experienced with your MSI. The AD10 is a super strong Knife. And, it isn't outdated. It's just not a Fidgeting type Lock, like the RAM-LOK is. The AD10 is meant for heavy-duty Folder cutting tasks. It's way stronger than the MSI RAM-LOK Folder. They're not comparable, in my opinion. Why? They're very different Folders. The Benchmade Adamas cannot hang with the AD10, either. If you want to compare the two, test their strength. That's where the AD10 will shine. Not the same Catagory of Folder, in my opinion. They're meant for different uses. The MSI or any RAM-LOK Folders are all Light-Duty Folders; they're not Heavy-Duty Folders. They are Lightweight and Light-Duty, SDUEDC, Folders that have a fun and Fidget Friendly Lock Type. :-) Stiletto :-)
@@CuttingBoardRx I won't buy one. And no one else should either. Thought you should know, so you dont get ripped off by buying any more super soft Microtechs.
@@CuttingBoardRx Barros is a rip off with 60rc max m390 at $500 plus. Its an aweful design too. Most benchmades are a rip off. They do m4 and s30v decent if you get one that they didn't burn the edge, lopsided grinds and poor quality control and get one used without that butterfly tax.
I think the MSI is actually a great value considering the quality. I got a G10 frag for like $230. I have seen some places marking these up to $400 which is ridiculous.
If you keep your index finger up at the front of the choil, the knife will not cut you when one hand closing. The comparison of the 2 is interesting. The msi wins edc tasks hands down, but for hard use the ad10 wins no contest. Bushcrafters and survivalists frequently carry an ad10 or the 4 max scout as back up knife to their fixed blades. The triad lock gets stronger the more it wears in. Knife destruction testers like the Dutch bushcraft boys failed to break the Ad10 and 4 max scout, stopped trying after they determined they were going to risk severe injuries if they did manage to break them. Their video's are epic! The holes in the handle have a fun story. The CEO of Cold steel Lynn Thompson went down to the research and development department and saw a prototype of the ad10 and wanted to go test it out, the head of R&D quickly grabbed the prototype from Lynn and drilled the holes through the handle and handed it back to Lynn with a hardened steel pin to put through the hole as an emergency safety. They knew Lynn would try to break it. It passed Lynns test with flying colors, he returned it to the R&D guys and said it's perfect, move it into production. The Knife delivered to the production team was the same knife Lynn tested and the factory copied it exactly holes and all. They weren't supposed to be on the producion knives. Great video.
The safest way to close a Tri-Ad lock is to depress the lock release just enough to disengage it then move your fingers out of the way of the closing, and push the back of the blade against your leg or with your other hand. Its not fidget friendly or fast.
Some Tri-Ad are easier to close than others, with some of them if you keep your index finger all the way up to the top of the handle the riccaso is big enough that it will fall on your index preventing the blade from hitting you. But not with all designs.
There's no argument that the axis type lock is easier to actuate, and some knife designs with them are very strong.
You should acquire a ColdSteel Recon 1 spear point, its a better knife overall, and preforms normal knife tasks much easier because it has good blade geometry. If tou wait for a sale it can be acquired for under $100USD.
The AD-10 & 4Max are overbuilt tanks suitable for extreme use and "survival" but they don't have good blade geometry for the usual cutting/slicing tasks. These are knives you give to grunt soldiers who don't have much experience or skill using knives. They will survive and get the job done, and they're awesome for what they are. But someone who has a lot of experience and skill would choose something else.
Well when you have to mod the knife with all of the modern updates and sharpening choil so that it doesn't have lock failure, idk how that is a win. Also the AD10s clip is like that because it is based one for one on andrew demkos custom AD10. Cold steel didn't produce that knife until 2019, same year that Andrew allowed them to start producing the AD-15 which is also based one for one with Andrews custom AD-15. Which neither of them come out of the box failing spine wack tests.
Yes! These two Knives aren't in the same Catagory. Or, have the same purpose. The AD10 was built for hard use and heavy-duty Folding Knife Tasks. The MSI is a Lightweight, Light-Duty Folder that has a Fun Fidgeting Lock Type; it's meant to be a great, larger, SDUEDC Folder, in my opinion. I don't put them in the same Catagory. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I just ordered the Original Goat scales for the ad10 today . I thought about it for a while , like a few days and felt I liked the knife enough to go for it . I also like a BM Freek and Griptialian with a hole and the blue liners and standoffs has been a solid use knife for me personally .When I hear people complain about BM prices I think if that griptilian was $180 last time I checked which is a good deal considering the warranty.
My polymer MSI had significant lock stick so I returned it. Really wanted to keep it but I saw damage on the slide & wasn’t paying for a defective knife.
All knife people do know axis locks. The ram lock is pretty good for sure but there are a ton of options in reality that are on the same lvl. I guess you need some update. Also the ram lock is not the same as an axis lock. Its just similar in use. The only reason people recommend the cold steel tri ad lock is that the cold steel tri ad lock is stronger then the axis locks or most other locks if they are not very overbuild. Cold steels new atlas lock is easier to use and similar strong. You can get a very strong liner lock on the microtech socom as well. Or a lot of very strong framelock like on the reate t1000. Thats also a great knife. The mainstream shark lock system from demko is also very strong and can be opened like an axis lock as well. Get some demko ad20 for 450$. Thats a great thing as well. I personally prefer the button lock because its the most comfortable system for me to use and to fidget with Obviously button locks are generally not the strongest. But you can overbuild it as well. Andre de villiers button lock knives are very good and strong enough if you take the full size versions. I did a lot of wood chopping with the Pitboss and it held up nice. The crkt deadbolt lock is also very strong and good to operate. You can find it on the crkt clever girl. Its as strong as any axis lock and also easy to use.
The AD-10 isn’t an old design it was designed to be a folding bushcraft knife which is why the handle is rounded to fill out the palm for less fatigue and you have that big wide blade profile I used my AD-10 to chop through a small tree that fell across a trail by my house using full chopping swings and it performed like a beast. They’re both great but the AD-10 is more purpose built, just sayin. Love your channel by the way, good stuff. 👍
Thanks! I do enjoy the AD10
Yes! I absolutely agree! :-) Not every Knife is meant to be in the same Catagory. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I encourage you to test them against each other - just because a vehicle may have a great entertainment systme and paint job doesn’t mean the engines are the same- I think if one is to use for true hard work environment than there’s one clear winner -
@@CuttingBoardRx that is my humble opinion - also do to thickness of the blade and just the total build in general - many knives claim hard use but very few can be tested and survive
Move your index finger forward when closing and this will eliminate the problem of catching your finger with the blade.
Thanks 🤘🏼
Operator error! :-) You just need to learn how to operate a Andrew Demko Tri-Ad Lock. I am sure it was suggested to you because of the failures you experienced with your MSI. The AD10 is a super strong Knife.
And, it isn't outdated. It's just not a Fidgeting type Lock, like the RAM-LOK is. The AD10 is meant for heavy-duty Folder cutting tasks. It's way stronger than the MSI RAM-LOK Folder. They're not comparable, in my opinion. Why? They're very different Folders. The Benchmade Adamas cannot hang with the AD10, either.
If you want to compare the two, test their strength. That's where the AD10 will shine. Not the same Catagory of Folder, in my opinion. They're meant for different uses. The MSI or any RAM-LOK Folders are all Light-Duty Folders; they're not Heavy-Duty Folders. They are Lightweight and Light-Duty, SDUEDC, Folders that have a fun and Fidget Friendly Lock Type. :-) Stiletto :-)
I find AD-10 less useful than the Atlas lock. Same reliability though
Looks at them legs 🤩
You need a mic my dude.
Yup. I agree. Microtech is better than cold steel. Bar none.
Microtech m390 is 57-59rc. That is a rip off for those prices.
@@CuttingBoardRx I won't buy one. And no one else should either. Thought you should know, so you dont get ripped off by buying any more super soft Microtechs.
@@CuttingBoardRx Barros is a rip off with 60rc max m390 at $500 plus. Its an aweful design too. Most benchmades are a rip off. They do m4 and s30v decent if you get one that they didn't burn the edge, lopsided grinds and poor quality control and get one used without that butterfly tax.
@@CuttingBoardRx even 400 is a rip off for that.
I think the MSI is actually a great value considering the quality. I got a G10 frag for like $230. I have seen some places marking these up to $400 which is ridiculous.
@@GreybeardEDC 230 for 57-59rc m390 is not value. Thats getting swindled.
ad10 > msi
MSI=⛽️💩🤡