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Lol, got an ad before the video started for buying aUEC. Absolutely shameless.
I got it midway
I can't believe people are that dumb, buy fake money for a game that will wipe before full release
I just got one too in the middle
Not sure who you’re calling shameless but just in case, he doesn’t choose his ads. You’re targeted based on your internet searches.
@@Swill880 I'm well aware he doesn't pick his ads. My comment was in regards to the dupers that are RMTing.
The ones banned were not your average player just trying to buy ships. They watched for a long time and gathered data and got mainly the ones selling credits for cash.
It’s a great point and I wished they’d state that. Very plausible that the delay was solely because of this initiative
@@Swill880 They are trying to hide the fact that you could have spend either 900€ for a ship or like 30€ paying UEC and have your ship for basically a year ... well now maybe just 6 months till 4.0 gets a release.
They certainly don't need to bring people's attention to that, because they want and need money, badly.
I'm confused about why you are trying to justify Real Money Laundering scams that hurt the general process of development with that idea. I get that the ships are expensive and it's cost prohibitive to buy them, but using RMT sites is a much worse alternative to just earning the money in game through legitimate means. Shortcutting yourself to bigger ships won't make much sense in the long run even upon full release someday. @@Traumglanz
Duping once and voting on the issue with the counsel is one thing. Abusing it to cause server instability issues is a whole different thing. Abusing a known exploit is wrong, enjoy your vacation, caustic players.
They didn't get people that use the exploit 5 times, but 20 or more. I don't need to keep doing it that way to test something. Also they know very well their test base. I believe everyone of them were real dupers.
I don't think that is correct. We all agreed to the Terms Of Service when we supported SC and made our accounts. If I get myself banned for violating TOS, CIG doesn't owe me anything. Not even a refund lol.
TOS protects companies from such abuse and loop holing, like backers thinking "Muahaha I can't be banned. I can't do whatever I want".
Then why doesn’t everyone who gets banned get a refund?
@@saltemikereacts I said if someone was banned for violating TOS, they are not owed anything... Not even a refund.
I don't understand your question lol
Appreciate the video though! I am a casual viewer😊
@@saltemikereactswouldn't they not be entitled to a refund because of the way all the purchases are worded as donations? I may be off base with that as I'm only under the assumption that I've pledged money to a project and haven't actually purchased anything except for a physical mug.
Who are you, Comcast? TOS are worded such that everyone and no one is guilty, depending on nothing more than the service provider’s whim.
i thought i was suspended yesterday when i couldnt log into the launcher i also did not know about that suspension notification thing and no one on spectrum or my org knew what to do. turns out it was the rsi rc launcher being dumb and reinstalling the old launcher let me login and play. as for the whole suspension thing i did not take part in the exploit but i do think i did it unintentionally early on in the patch cycle before it became known as an exploit.
Initially I felt like 2.5 months was excessive. But after hearing how badly the servers were affected and the response from 2 of the largest streamers to the bad performance and the fact that they probably would have made even more money If the server performance was better I understand.
Exploits have been covered in TOS for many years. Glad they are finally taking tangible action on this nonsense and I feel no sympathy for the dupers.
lol tos mean ain’t shit if people start suing.
Cheaters suing because they got caught and temp banned? Good luck with that buddy...
@@hanzo52281 how is it cheating? They messed up und are now banning people for it and you people even defend them for it that’s why people call us a cult…
@@hanzo52281 cig has to legally refund everyone they ban since the tech demo is not done so no cig cant perma ban.
@@hanzo52281 From a legal perspective, one situation comparable to "duping" you may find interesting relates to virtual world Britannia. A player was banned for in-game actions the developer objected to. The player had to be allowed back, arguing successfully that if the developer did not want their actions to be possible then the developer could and should make them impossible (Lastowka, G. (2010), Virtual Justice. The new laws of online worlds).
A second case is Bragg v Linden Research Inc. Bragg bought in-game land for real cash but the game developer asserted the purchase was through an exploit and banned the player, citing a EULA. The case settled, with Linden relaxing its EULA substantially and Bragg successful, after the court repeatedly referenced virtual property and found the EULA and ToS to be "procedurally as well as substantively unconscionable" affecting enforceability.
A third and related case is Davidson & Associates v Internet Gateway. While ruling that a EULA was enforceable in this specific instance given the equal sophistication of parties, the judge focused on situations with disparity and stated that "current legal rules may not be enforceable in all cases if valuable property interests [in virtual objects] are at issue". It is not clear that all courts will enforce EULAs encompassing excessive restrictions that allow platform owners to do what they like with valuable virtual property. A few thousand dollars' worth of ships is valuable virtual property.
In some nations those thousands of dollars' of ships are deemed player property under national law and the developer has no right to control (although the developer does have obligations as a custodian of the player's virtual property). The Taiwanese Criminal Code defines virtual property as moveable (an important distinction with consequences for theft and fraud) and acknowledges the right to control virtual property at the level of code granted to the owner of the code (purchasing player), "not the owner of the server on which the code happens to reside or the intellectual property owner of the code" (CIG here).
How long did they know about the exploit, and how long would it take to gather and track those doing it? You don't act on this stuff straight away, you watch these people, log it, and when you're ready, you do it all at once. Its not just people exploiting, but getting creds from those exploiting.
SO anyone with a C2 during this update has known about the cargo grid issues.. Unable to do a secound load of anything because the grid appears to be full when it is in fact empty..
There are 2 cures for this.. 1. Claim the ship.. blow it up or abandon it over and over for every load.. 2. duping.. The dupe glitch fixes the cargo grid EVERY time.. So is it fair to ban people for duping when CIG has a broken game issue that some people use to avoid another broken game issue? The fact that CIG should have wiped money AND ships for 3.23 anyway means they weren't getting useful in game market data anyway! The ban is/was useless and just looks bad. Its CIGs fault in more then one way.
in my case.. I made very little money "duping" 3 or 4 extra million in comparison to the others that where clearly doing it to make BILLIONS probably. When i found out that duping was causing server issues i stopped playing Star Citizen for that update.. So i haven't been banned for any amount of time and i cant really tell as of this morning if any of my money was taken away.. I was clearly not abusing it enough to get anyone's attention BUT that said.. Even those that where doing it alot more then me where in many cases simply dealing with CIGs issues.
Question: CIG sells aUEC for real money as well correct? What is the percentage of the banned accounts that are aUEC sellers? Is there a way to know that information? Also question: was not this exploit identified before the need to target and suspend players. To be clear I don't have any issue with the suspensions. If they were not in the process of selling ships would this have gone on for so long.
Well... *puts on nerd glasses* technically CIG sells UEC and not aUEC. We can't farm UEC in-game atm. They do mirror our UEC account into aUEC for each patch but that's it for now until 1.0 when UEC gets implemented i guess.
there are probably ToS cases that might allow CIG to ban kickstarter backers or any account while in alpha without refunds. although, should be interesting after 1.0.... the amount of money on some accounts will be an exploit/cheat deterrent in and of itself. blizzard used to have a pretty good cheater policy in WoW lol
thats how BDO works, no matter how old is bug. If you get caught expoliting, account gets deleted, not even suspended. No explanation get provided. players so afraid they dont even use macros because it might fall into "using bot" category and get account deleted.
I am just glad they actually did something, but they have to keep it up. This should not be a one and done situation
I think suspension is better than a ban, because cig can watch these accounts when game goes live. and use this info to cast a larger net for this stuff on live
consequences matter but all of this will get deleted, so effectively doesn't matter because it's still just an alpha, no economy, no game, not even UEC to even account for. I do understand the value of CIG approaching it for future indications. I do not and would not exploit this project(beside CCU's sales lol) so while i dont aggree with the exploiters i still think giving them, punishment is misplaced besides to set precedent. But precedent gets broken by CIG all the time so lol. Gold sellers should be removed/banned form every game imo, and genuinely good luck with that.
It’s a step in the right direction that they ban players for this. But they did launch it live knowing this was a thing also… idk how I feel about it all.
lol I got an ad for uec seller on this vid.
You say it's because they wanted to make the game better, but if you think about it marketing sell aUEC soooo not about the game, still only about marketing.
i would suspend someone distributing exploits publicly especially people farming views for it
Invictus isn’t about selling 3.23 it’s about selling the dream of the game.
The dupers and exploiters are cringe but they’re gonna wipe it anyway.
Building hype and cultivating a huge community around star citizen was most likely their intention with their strategic timing of the patch release.
this is just typical. all mmorpg do this, it do not help shit. Why dont you dev a system to keep track of all monny in the game so you can just easy combat this in the future. so you can roll back bugs /expoits
I don’t think it was the ship sale. And if it was about that, I don’t care.
I’d say fixing the issue by the .1a patch is “expedient.”
When CIG going to address cheating. What isbstance on cheating? I mean it will going to happen. If your only game is start citizen than I will let you knownthat cheaters, nowdays are everywhere.
LOL. they wont make more money waiting.... They let those griefers buy new ships, then banned them... lol. if they waited and banned them first, they probably would have lost sales from those banned. lol.
do not buy money
Probably should have declared it as a bannable exploit first. Otherwise it's just another game loop/feature or a cargo grid workaround. Not even "real" duping since it was finite, may as well have been a typo in the buy price with extra steps.
The people triggered by this have a guilty conscience
Dang I was hoping Mike would address this issue, but I guess I will. I am ok with what they did BUT NOT WITH HOW. I feel that it's a slippery slope, especially in a developing game, but what is the difference from a bug, a glitch, an exploit. And where is the line for each. Where is it communicated what is ok and what isn't? Most people arnt going to be up to date on cigs posts spectrum. This duping issue was a clearish example of you probably shouldn't. But anyone remember the "gear insurance" by placeing ur gear on the mule? That was technically duping. All I'm saying is, in most mmos they have banner notifications, "hey x event is starting", "hey server maintenance in 5min" ext. All I'm asking is that cig make it crystal clear what is ok and what isn't. Next time there is an exploit they don't like, just have a banner notification at the top of the screen every time u log in saying "hey this exploit is being addressed and use of it will result in consequence" that way we all know the rules and no one can say that they didn't know.
If CIG had a man sack they'd have banned those players. The economy is gonna be awesome for about 2 weeks before UEC sellers ruin the game after launch permanently.
They backed the game, they can't ban outright. 3months is long enough...
@@alexanderdooley5833 Imagine watching Tony Z's whole presentation on how intricate the economy and Quanta are going to be and not caring that sh*tbirds like these dudes are going to ruin it mere weeks after launch.
It's an incredibly bad take by you.
I’m glad the RMTers got their comeuppance (if they actually care, which I suspect they don’t). But I have to admit I’m amused to think that some of the folks coming out of the woodwork to cheer CIG for doing this probably exploited the hell out of bugs like the Mule dupe glitch in the past.
"Director of Player Relations" sounds like marketing to me.
Sorry, not sorry. I'm not one for exploiting bugs, but at the end of the day, we don't work for CIG. We're allegedly helping to test this project. Unless CIG specifically asks us to test something specific on the regular, we are only expected to simply react to what they add and/or change. (i.e. the big mystery of making certain new ships or jobs OP for a time, inferring that's what CIG wants us to play with)
Unless an exploit is removed from the project, it should be expected for the players to use it. At this point, telling the players what not to do is beyond silly.
I disagree how is a duper making a game.less fun?I had more fun killing dupers so it was more fun?
and salte mike just making stuff up again in regards to CIG intent...
let me start off by saying this is not even a game we are glorified test dummies for a game that's not even out yet.
We are testers and our job is to test but we being penalized for things that we find out that supposedly are not supposed to be there..
I have a hard time taking any of this seriously while they're in alpha.
So some people cheated in a game that's gonna be wiped. Why should I care? I'm also not a big fan of perma bans anyways. These exploits, as I see it, are mistakes on the devs part for not ironing them out before going to the live server. That's what a test server should be for.
In a full game, they can be more careful about these but in an alpha content should be coming out fast enough that these things are sometimes missed. No sweat. Fix the exploit qnd wipe.
I didn't get a suspension, but I also wasn't parking outside A18, clogging it up. I didn't make billions of aUEC, let alone sell it for cash.
I just like doing RMC trucking. I just wanted to run RMC without having to blow up/claim my ship and wait every time I did a run. Unfortunately, the ghost cargo ruined the thrill of running RMC since it heavily reduced the risk.
Is that why Area 18 was always full of C2's stranded all over the spaceport? That had something to do with this exploit?
@MWTGoldenGun yes, there was another exploit that the seller dupers would do to sell the ghost cargo at full profit price at A18, so you sold it at full price 2x.
I would sell my ghost cargo at reclamation and disposal for slightly less than the buy price at picker's field.
What impresses me the most is despite having the largest development budget of any game in history so far and over 10 years of time to work on things CIG still struggles to fix even the most basic features.
They need to also ban content creators that show exactly how to do the exploits. If you run across it on your own then fine, report it to the IC. Also, once the IC is confirmed by the 10 people it needs for validation, it needs to be hidden so people cannot scour the IC and find these reports detailing the exploit and how to do it and continue to exploit it.
So there is a way to get a full refund on all these broken ships I wasted my money on! 🧠
Mate they didn't ban anybody, some dude on spectrum made a claim without any evidence.
The narrative that everyone is pushing is insane here.
The duping exploit was there in the PTU, and it was reported. "Highest urgency?"
The patch was live for 2 months.
Every other game would hotfix the bug in a couple of days. They even dropped an update for the ship sales event, that didn't fix the problem.
And they ban players for using broken game mechanics? That shit is always going to happen. Especially in an alpha.
And bear in mind, those players that got banned are backers. People that are keeping the game alive, like you and me.
CIG didn't say "we can't fix it now because of this and that, so stop it now or you'll get banned". Naw, they were silent the whole time, and then they banned 600+ accounts?
That's ridiculous, and cannot be justified.
Breaking what economy? I mean come on...
Should they ban the F7A mkII users because the ship is bugged? I mean they're using an exploit to win...
Also most of those were just 3 day bans afaik, so it's not that big of a deal. But 3 months? Jesus... That's like a quarter of a patch cycle (pun intended).
But it's funny to see how they make up the rules as they go.
When it comes to the griefers, they're banning them only if they grief streamers. Nobody else is protected.
What's next? Getting banned for asking someone if they're retarded after they grief you in an armistice zone, during a TEST on the PREVIEW CHANNEL?
Oh wait.. that happened to me already.
Really making me glad you stopped doing Star Citizen content. Comparing the F7A MKII's wrong movement value is not equivalent to exploiting a glitch repeatedly hundreds of times to gain millions or billions of in game currency. What a ridiculous comparison.
I had video evidence of a player using the invisibility glitch to kill my whole org during an event. Guy bragged about it in local and everything. CIG dindo nufin.
@@XShadowAngelIf anything, the F7A glitch is worse. BTW there are known cheaters in AC, with K/D ratios of like 40+:1, who never miss a shot, etc. etc. CIG doesn’t give a squat.
@@rolinthor The F7A "glitch" isn't a glitch. It's just an incorrect value that was put into the metrics. It's not a glitch. It's not an exploit.
@@XShadowAngel I'm sorry bud, but bug in the code is a bug in the code. And if players exploit it by using that bugged thing, it's the same.
The way it makes you feel is irrelevant.
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I feel like this is entirely net negative, CIG KNEW ABOUT THE DUPE BUG and they released the patch I don’t think anyone should have gotten suspended
I agree only because CIG can wipe their account at any time and say we are taking the money made from duplicating and wipe it. They will never be able to stop people from selling aUEC in the real world as long as you can transfer the money in game. This is more than likely going to make players (testers) likely to seek out these exploits and report them. This means they won't get fixed.
They should have known that this dupe bug was completely mainstream on every server and made a statement at the very least before banning anyone. They are retroactively working to ban when there was absolutely zero effort to halt the issue in the first place (and issue that has effected many patches of the PTU) ...But why only ban 600 people? What were these particular people doing? 🤔Probably something we want them banned for. Or maybe it was just CIG incompetence. We'll never really know.
@@Accuracy158 Exactly why not make a statement telling people that they recognize the issue and will be fixing so stop doing it. This is testing so we need to find the exploits and sometimes it takes the community making an issue so large they cannot ignore it to get CIG to do anything about it. If they are banning those that are selling the aUEC then that's an easy fix as well. Turn off the ability to transfer money in game for now. Its testing we don't need it.
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Yup, CIG punishing ppl for their bad development, bad work and for not reflecting error reports. People banned for testing the game and finding a bug that they didn't fix even though they knew about it.. In Alpha.. CIG is totally brainless...
You’re insane if you really think the devs are the only baddies here
Now the players won't report these exploits and they won't get fixed.
@@josh_nbd I don't agree with the dupers but in the past CIG has shown that they don't prioritize issues until they get to a point where they cannot ignore them. While a lot of people were doing this for the wrong reasons I don't think banning them was the right way to handle this. Now they will discourage players from actually reporting issue and players won't push problems by making it so CIG cannot ignore it for fear of being banned. If this is truly all about players selling aUEC in the real world then don't allow the transfer of money in game (turn it off until it goes live). SC is still in testing we don't need to transfer money, its all going to be wiped sooner or later.
There's a clear difference between testing an exploit or bug once in game to verify it, and duping a ships cargo 600 times for UEC and dumping the ships in the landing areas.
What happened in live wasn't people discovering a bug. It was people milking the exploit as hard as they could, and even people selling the duped uec for real money
There was a gold seller in my server last night spamming chat. I screenshot it and sent it to CIG.
Same
You know what I find hilarious is that one of the youtube ads for your video is literally a website where you can buy UEC from these people. Holy shit they are brazen!
Note that different nations have different laws covering virtual currency, encompassing the likes of bitcoin to in-game currencies. In the UK, rulings exist that virtual currency is property (AA v Persons Unknown, Re Bitcoin [2019] EWHC 3556 (Comm); Fetch ai Ltd and another v Persons Unknown Category A and others [2021] EWHC 2254 (Comm)) so the holder has title and can sell. On the point that a seller may have acquired items improperly, common law is that when such instruments are transferred, the purchaser who takes them in good faith, for value and without notice of the defect in title, acquires a good title even though the seller may have had a bad or defective title or no title at all.
I have mixed feelings on their approach. They had ample time to fix the issue, but decided their deadline was more important. I don't know what the criteria was for the suspensions or if the ones caught up in it were guilty of duping over multiple patches. That being said, I'm glad they FINALLY started taking a stand on a larger level. Were there more than 600 people duping, absolutely. I think they made an example out of this group. I just hope they stay consistent which is a problem they have had in the past.
Just because they know about the exploit doesn't mean they've collected all of the data they needed to not only completely close that exploit but also learn more in general about how exploits are used, what players are doing with the credits they gain from those exploits, and so forth.
You really don't get to claim that exploiting is okay because they haven't yet done anything to people about that exploit. You know it's against the rules. If you're testing and confirming and letting them know, great. If you continually use the exploits over and over again, and these people knew they were, and littering their ships everywhere and so forth, they had it coming.
Sometimes letting exploiters get comfy is necessary to get them to show other, unreported exploits. Its Alpha, and their Invictus week could have been delayed and the exploiters banned before the exploit was patched. Sometimes the fix for an exploit can break other things and maybe the patch of the exploits needed to wait until they were certain nothing serious was broken.
Pretty sure "you can't ban them because kickstarter" doesn't hold any real legal water. Honestly, even if it does, it would only be for the relative handful of kickstarter backers. No other fkn game works that way, you're not exempt from being banned from other games just because you spent money on it a decade ago.
Agreed its in their rules and they are legally covered. They can ban if they need to.
These are exploit early and exploit often people. Ban them permanently. Give them their money back.
Loophole for ppl that used alot of money if they refunded
It's pointless selling aUEC for real money, because there will be wipes until proper release. You'll lose the aUEC that you spent real money on.
Not pointless to the sellers, because there'll always be someone to fool into buying it. It's just pointless for buyers to buy it. But I agree with your premise.
money for beginners are to little. you will do delivery missions for month. someone gave me 1million and it made a whole différence playing the game.
@@jensbronton I agree with that. Someone helpful will make a whole difference. But why spend real money on aUEC when it will get wiped?
The irony, while listing to this an advert came up on you tube asking me to buy auec haha…
Forza Horizon devs have suspended someone's account for 4000 years - for a car livery featuring North Korean jokes - why CIG couldn't do this instead?
How about them delaying a hotfix for the exploits then, Mike? You said it yourself, they knew about it from PTU, but then they still release it because of ILW, fair enough. But we have heard that the fix has already been done since a couple of SCL ago, but they kept delaying it.
I genuinely agree to the banhammer, fk em duper. But then again, CIG still need to have a semblance of priority on what to work on. These things will happen, even moreso with a game that is in active development, but I hope they will prioritize more in rectifying it rather than banning people in the future.
Because we don't know what metric they use? I even accidentally did the exploits because I fly away in an empty cargo freelancer, but its full when I went to the outposts to haul some commodities. I can sell it again..the first time around I was questioning myself...maybe I didn't sell it the first time before I logged off. When it happens again, I ask Global and they say that I accidentally did the exploits.
I was selling things like Titanium or Gold, not RMC..on a rented freelancer..even the constant relogging and tram riding wasn't worth the hassle. So I say fk it and just haul like usuals.
Thankfully nothing happens to the account but I hope they prioritize more in fixing it.
On a side note, if only they were so bold and just make RMCO dirt cheap because its flooding the market, duping won't even worth the time. It only works on RMCO because by the nature of it being used as repair resources, its unlimited..unlike any other commodities which need to be mined or wait on outposts' production.
Wait they banned Anaryl 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I was wondering why I didn't see him in Star Marine he was on so much to the point that I thought cig was testing a AI in star Marine. Like no joke he had the worst ping to like 250 😂😂😂😂. Imagine telling somebody you got banned from Star citizen from being annoying and they gave you your money back😂😂 im in tears
Personally I think it's harsh considering their agility to get a fix was ass and the company it self compounded the issue. It's weird to me there is player accountability but nothing for the developer here. If it's people selling aUEC for money yeah fuck that. Perma ban makes sense.
If the exploit in the PTU is known, I think it would be sensible to wait for the live version before taking action. Since PTU testers have discovered and reported the exploit, the concern lies with the live players. Waiting for them to reveal themselves is a logical strategy in my opinion.
I think the reason some creators like to hate on SC is because they thought they were gonna be "the guy" who streams and makes content for SC. They thought they were getting in early to develope and build a community so that when the game launched, they were off to the races to be Star PewdiePie. Then 12 years later, they are bitter old men who had their shot stolen from them.
I just wish cig was honest with us, if invictus is more important because the project needs funding, fine. But say so and dont take us for dumb and say exploit was priority when its clearly not.
Simple .. dupers means more in game money to easily buy ships which means less need to buy ships with real money which means less profits.. that's the real reason ..
if you cant ban, then they need to change their tos to allow for bans. Breaking tos can get you banned from other alpha games? like thats such an empty i dont understand laws argument ive ever heard
I backed the kickstarter might number 9 and picked the 3ds version of the game. I never got my pledge and the company is dead. They never even gave me a steam version.
i was talking to a duper in global the other day, apparently racked up enough aUEC that he sold off on ebay to buy a polaris lmao, wonder if he was one of the 600
I don't know, RUclipsrs should also have consequences. If they can temp ban a player, they can ban a RUclipsr's game account.
Thats not true, they can 100% ban. When u get the game u agree to their terms of service. If u break those they can legally ban u permanently.
Wish I could fucking play, ships are still MIA from terminals. When I log on I have to hitch hike all over the fucking place!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Why oh why do they release major updates and run ship sale events at the same frigging time.
So I didn't do the exploits to make lots of credits. But during this patch I lost my M2 and Taurus. CIG ran an exploit on me.
Hmm my friends that exploited 100's millions did not get suspended? this smells bs that ppl got suspended, i dont think they did at all
Only bans IMO should be ESP AIMBOT CHAMS hacks I've seen aimbot s in arena and pi since 2.6
Plot twist: all 600 accounts were free fly that never bought a game package. Source: trust me bro
I did my part and took out 32 dupers in total, scumbags! Screwed the system up for cargo/salvage. If you love the game and help find issue that’s one thing but to keep going and going therefore making it hard for others or making people not want to play is where we come after you and make life hell! People got to know our names and even had RUclips videos of us taking them out! 🎉😂
They are treating it like a game, cool. When are they going to develop it like a game?
Game economy? I think they meant CIG's economy ....?
LOL Instauec add at the end of the video, can't get better than that!
Why don’t they just make something useful
After 11 years doing something good LOL!!
Agreeable, were there an economy to exploit.
big diff between suspended and banned...
We are all adults, we know perfectly when we are abusing an exploit, if you do it, you risk it, .... and you know it, so if they catch you be ready for the punishment.
Griefers and cheaters need to be perma banned to keep this game from becoming a toxic filled wasteland like Eve Online. Glad to see CIG dealing with both. o7 😎👍
There is nothing on earth that can drive “toxic” players out of an MMO permanently.
They will never get ahead of UEC farming and exploitation as long as it is tied to in game progression. There is a lot of history on this and it is really interesting for anyone who is interested. I hope they hire someone with actual experience with this kind of thing.
damn im so out of the loop just waiting for 4.0 and every week seems that something happens
they have got so bad that on 2 seperate servers i saw gold selling sites in chat advertising
Yeah, make sure you read the user manual and rule booklet for this video game to avoid having it taken from you. This our future as gamers? I didn't dupe nor get banned but this makes me sick. They should have taken the duped money away from the dupers and fixed their dam game. Now there is probably close to 600 less wallets that will open. Cancel culture will eventually cancel it self.
And I get a UEC ad while watching this
Salty hey it was a animated picture
So you're telling me, if I'm annoying and bad enough, I can finally get a full refund and get off MR BONES WILD RIDE? HALLELUJAH!
The amount of annoying you would have to be would be a full time job…
I have mixed feelings and definitely come away feeling a little disturbed, although I suspect if I knew exactly what those particular 600 players were doing I wouldn't.
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I think there is no economy at all. CIG has never taken it seriously. The exploit was known and greenlit with no statement. There's way worse things in the game than these players getting to sell twice and they're basically hurting no one except maybe CIG website sales. The exploit is literally not as bad as PvPing in a Hornet that has broken acceleration. Banning backers for this is absolutely absurd a warning and request not to do it again is definitely as far as any disciplinary action should go. (This time)
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Now on the other hand my above mentality obviously has to change before the dream version of the game that only exists in our heads come out. By taking action CIG is actually taking the smallest step in this direction and they shouldn't be critiqued for caring. The problem is now if CIG is requiring players to take this alpha seriously, as a live competitive game, they have to start doing their part too... And that's not just quadrupling the prices of ships in what looks like a sales incentive then walking away.
It's not a bad precedent for the very long run of the game (seven years from now) but just giving out 90 day bans for something that had gone completely mainstream in the game, that CIG made no statements about or efforts to stop seems like a bit much. ...Now I'm just left with question "why 600?" and if I knew what those particular 600 people where doing I might cheer for their ban. But I also can't rule out incompetence when it comes to CIG. Is this 300 friendly fires? Is this everyone they could identify involved in duping at all? By these implied rules why wasn't everyone PvPing in the F7A suspended? Why are they going to all this work retroactively to ban people when they wouldn't go to any work at all to stop the issue initially? CIG should have known this was popular in every server we played on and made a statement before swinging around the ban hammer.
Like most things CIG does it might not be that bad but the whole situation was handled poorly.
CIG is brain dead. Highly possible I would have bought the iron clad but bc the game was so broken for us salvagers I was too mad and definitely won’t be spending any money on it for a while. Such a dumb decision to prioritize “ship sale” over fixing the game. Why would I spend money on a broken game so they lost out on a sale and I’m sure I’m not the only one who thought the same thing. 17:18
You're getting mad over an entirely self-invented issue. There is no evidence of prioritizing ship sales over acting accounts.
I've worked in CC before. Collecting evidence and actioning accounts takes a LOT of time. Then you have to send it up the chain and make sure the leads believe the action won't create potential backlash and they'll spend weeks pussyfooting around the mere thought that they'll have a PR problem from it.
Game studios are full of beurocrats. You throwing a fit is just a you problem.
he wrote about a negative effect on the economy. Wich economy 😂😂
Uhh the inability to sell RMC as a regular player for the past 3 weeks...
Sir. Do. You. Even. Play. The. Game?
Well, based on the economic data they collected, they lowered mission payouts. The economic data that included duping. There you go.
They reset our money to get better data on how the current system rewards players financially, these dupers fucked with that data.
economy is a bit more than just that. Not all in game yet and quanta as they call it is very far away.
These activities are producing, supplying, buying, selling, and the consumption of goods and services.
exactly
Totally disagree on CIG's attitude. If someone is hacking the game, altering the client to cheat, then sure ban them. But if someone is playing the vanilla client, and just taking advantage of a bug/glitch/exploit created by CIG then so what. Instead of putting effort into investigating who and banning players for YOUR mistake, put the effort into just fixing the mistake and take it on the chin for your fuck-up as a development company. Besides, you are banning your best testers who will help expose future exploits. You are better off keeping them around.
banning people over dupeing in a so called live service game but if you ask cig about your ships you get told its a alpha so which is it sc?
found the duper
Duper
Doubt it, hes right though
@@erlinghaaland8046 nah sold my account 1 year ago when i kept hearing from cig live service and alpha in the same sentence been about a year since i sold it off too.
Schroedinger’s Alpha.
..... and the Irony here....... exploitation....... and then there's the marketing and pledge store. The moral high ground on fake in game money...... vs how they behave with real world dollars 😂
Its more like better late than never they should have gotten on top of the duping when it started to become a problem not later
In all honesty this is fucked, getting suspended for exploiting in an alpha. I think they should be paying people to find and exploit this shit, since it shows how serious the exploits can and will be, if they end up going live.