No music. No goofy opening. No one with a camera close up on their faces yelling at us. Simply to the point with useful information. I wish everyone else would do this...
Every time you do a video I learn more. Once again, clear, utter lack of nomenclature and incredibly informative. thank you for making these. I love learning this stuff and you present really well.
I came to learn about upper control arms and got more than I bargained for. Superior job explaining btw. love the presentation with visuals and all. You explain things very well.
I wish I could like these videos more than once. Honestly, the best videos on the internet I've found for understanding the equipment I want to put on my Taco. I'll definitely be by the shop whenever I'm in Boulder.
I hope people realize the value of your videos Ben! I tell everyone that asks me about my suspension setup to buy from filthy motorsports. I wish i knew about your page before i ordered my setup with another company. God bless you and your peers !
Great video breaking the differences down. To me it seems you are being very impartial and that kind of straightforward breakdown is very much appreciated when trying to make product decisions. Definitely subscribing for hopefully more good content like this.
Thumbs up again for the re-upload. Very informative and interesting even for someone who doesn't have a truck that uses UCAs. The section about ball joints is quite interesting!
Wow! I'm getting a lift done and replacing my UCAs. Very informative vid and now you provided such great information that I at least know how to shop for parts better and to be able to find a shop that is knowledgable on how to align my truck with the new UCAs.
Awesome video. Many people need to watch it before deciding about uca. I really like how you went deep into the ball joints. Made me figure few things out and that was great comparing.
🙏🏽Thank you Ben for doing this subject on Ball joints. I typically stick OEM on 1stgen Tundra 4wd AC. I am looking too get a new set of UC's & I want the best design along with a very durable Balljoint system.
AWESOME video, Sir. I was debating the ICON Delta vs the SPCs and JBAs on a 5th gen T4R, but this settles it SPC it is! I look forward to watching more of your videos!
I was debating with SPC or Camburg for my 2016 4Runner. I’m lifting mine to 2.5” and 1.5” spacer. I guess I might just go SPC it’s cheaper and for its purpose. My 4R is my daily and never Offroad it yet. No plan so far.
Wow awesome videos thanks a lot. Just stumbled upon them looking at your website. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the delta joint upper arms for my 98 tacoma TRD 4x4 V6 but now thinking twice and looking at the SPC's
Great videos Ben. Thank you for sharing your attention to detail and providing the visuals with your cut aways. One suggestion though, and it’s only because you asked. Please, please try to drop the power-block cadence. Yours isn’t horribly bad but it would be such a huge improvement to your presentation. Everything else is so on point.
Finally! After reading through so many forums and articles where it seems like its just preference on getting control arms with a 3" leveling kit on a 15 silverado. Good to hear real information and why you should replace them.
Very informative video specially the cut section part. Thank you for such a nice video lecture. One thing I wanted to know about maximum angular travel allowed by Moog ball joint
Thank you. Even though there are many out there that want to have that race look, it seems to come at a steep price point! This video clip answers so many questions and in detail. This education is awesome!
What about lower a arms? SPC as well ? I’m gathering parts for my 07 frontier 4x Rural Colorado has rough roads and extreme weather......this will be my 3rd time replacing front end . moog was okay but got eaten up within 2 to 3 years
Watched this video soon after the shop I go to recommended SPC UCA’s for my 2013 4Runner Trail. Even when others are going with Total Chaos, etc, he recommended SPC’s for durability and less maintenance.
So I was on Amazon trying to buy uca ball joint and lower ball joints for my 4runner, but moog problem solver was getting bad reviews, like they fail prematurely or what not. Even some RUclips vid out there. So I opted for OEM for that reason. But those SPC uca look real nice.
@Filthy Motorsports 3 Questions caused by your great/extremely educational video; Scenario: Have a 2017 Tacoma OR DCLB. Have an OME BP-51 kit (front and rears) preparing to install soon and am staying as close to no lift as possible for now (maybe go up 3/4-1"). I'm not increasing tire size (265/70/16) yet, may one day go to 265/75/16. Prepping truck for comfortable daily driving (bad back) and weekend getaways with a slide in four wheel pop up camper (arrives in June). Also doing air bags in rear to balance camper load as needed. I'm not blazing off road but I do hit old dirt and rock roads for camping and at a good pace. I'm looking for quality/reliability/ease of service and most importantly, dialed in alignment. So here's my dilemma's/3 questions: #1- I was going to go w/OME's uca's but now I'm not sure if I should consider the SPC's or the Icon Delta uca's. What are your thoughts between the 3 uca's given my scenario? #2-Since I'm more daily driver than weekend warrior and have air bags, I'm beginning to lean towards Icon RXT leafs instead of the OME's, because RXT's appear to be more progressive. Suggestion? #3-Front bump stops. For progressive reasons and lower height I'm leaning towards Wheelers Off Road stops instead of Timbren. Suggestion?
Great video well explained like always... I would like to see a comparison between MAZZULA/ CAMBURG/BAJAKITS/DIRTKING UPPER CONTROL ARMS billet and boxed..and if you recomend those for daily driven or race purposes or weekend warrior..thanks in advance...
I like the the adjustability of the ball joint but I have concerns about squeaking upper control arm bushings. I don't see any zerk fittings to keep them lubed. I had a bad experience with polyurethane bushings making noise in the past.
There are no Zerk fittings on the SPCs, however, the trick with polyurethane is to go heavy with some synthetic lube (Super Lube in a gray tube) during the installation and then they stay quiet.
Another big question I would love to see answered is, and maybe it would have to be vehicle specific, but at a 2-in front level on a truck...is a aftermarket UCA required to not have alignment issues or interference with the strut/spring? Getting Bilstein 6112 for the front of my F150, or that's the plan anyways.
Watching your video; give me a better idea what could be the problem with my front passenger's tire what looks closer to the fender compare to driver side. Will check my lower control arm and hope that I can move the tire forward and fix the problem. Thanks...
Wooow excelent information, thank you for the outstanding research, very easy to understad for those of us that start to modify a Truck suspensión and with this information we can do the rigth way 😀😀
Thank you! There is not much to be said about LCAs, they rarely every need to be replaced outside of a long travel suspension system. Do you have any specific questions about LCAs?
Now it makes sense why some auto shops won’t work on individual suspension pieces on lifted vehicles. I bought and personally installed those $40 upper control arms ($40 for the pair!) on my 07 4Runner Sport with about a 2.5 inch spacer lift. The handling improved quite a bit at least in reducing some steering wander, but a thousand or two miles later and the steering is loose feeling again. It’s like the feeling of crossing another boats’ wake when it’s nearly parallel so it has kind of a roll sensation that may take some extra work to climb out from the low point between wake crests. The UPA I pulled out prior were nearly the same as the replacement, but typically/approximately how much lift can those cheapies handle or were you saying that lifting results in zero changes to the actual travel of the arms? Thanks for the great videos
Thank you for sharing! On a 4runner, an OEM style UCA is typically good for about 1.5" of lift. Aftermarket UCAs will work up to 3" of lift, although we don't recommend more than 2.5"
Can you replace a uniball with a ball joint on a UCA? I have Tuff Country UCA's and have no need for the articulation of a Uniball nor the hassle of replacing a Uniball.
Thanks for the info. Now i am curious about the spc's. Might switch out the fabtech uniballs. Although i just found the replacement spherical bearings for $50 ea. The first set lasted me about two years. I'm in Massachusetts with alot of salt and calcium in the winter. And i go wheeling in the spring, summer and fall, lots of mud.
Amazing video thanks. 25:56 Why would someone choose a delta joint. What are those unique features? Seems like the Moog is the same yet has a better price and is more durable.
Great breakdown on the types of joints. Giving the actual Rockwell C numbers on the hardness test would be beneficial to some. Simply comparing hardness of the ball without the race it sits in doesn't mean much, it's the system. There are instances where I may use parts into the HRc 60 range for one application and only in the 40s for another depending on the ductility required for that joint at my day job. I assume the test were done with one of the file kits? Or do you have a bench top indenter type machine?
The hardness of the balls in these applications isn't critical considering the ball joints are (should be) well lubricated at all times and, as such, wear on the ball joints isn't a common issue and thus should not be a significant deciding factor when selecting UCAs. Great question!
How do you feel about JBA Upper Control Arms ? I want SPC but I worry about people not knowing how to work on them and the expense....JBA is $150 cheaper. I only have a 3" lift with 32" tires and do light to moderate off roading. No extreme crazy stuff. I trust your opinion a ton after this break down. Thanks
Could you maybe just give us a quick explanation of the difference between the Icon tubular UCA w/ delta joint vs the Icon billet UCA? They are vastly different prices. Does the billet offer something much better?
Good video. Very informative. I have a 2017 4runner and doing a Dobinsons lift kit and planning on putting 285s tires. I was not planning on replacing the upper control arm until now. Watching the video is making wonder if I should go ahead and upgrade the stock arm. Is the stock arm strong enough. I am not going to rock climbing or race a baha dessert. Just need the lift for flood zones and crossing creates when going to the mountains. Thank you for your time
I have a 2006 Nissan Frontier. I am going to put on a 3 inch strut spacer and 3 inch shackle on it. I'm installing some 285/75/r16 tires on. What upper control arms do you recommend for my truck with the lift kit and larger tires? Thank you.
How many deg of movement does each joint allow? Do deg of movement matter in typical applications? Does deg of movement matter in a Toyota LT application? What are the hardness ratings? If you would like to include this I work in a lab capable of these hardness measurements. Thanks!
On any aftermarket UCAs, the ball joints offer way more misalignment than the suspension could ever use so it's not a factor in this comparison. As for hardness we do have the numbers but decided not to go into that in this video. Thanks for the offer!
I have a 6inch lift on my taco and was wondering what kind of control arms I should get because I want to put a 1inch spacer but the stock control arms are maxed out at 6inchs what should I get??????
That depends on the lift kit, some are designed to work best with OEM geometry UCAs and others benefit from aftermarket UCAs. In any case, the only UCAs we recommend for lifted trucks are these adjustable SPC UCA: www.filthymotorsports.com/SPC_UCAs_p/spc-uca.htm
I drive a 2019 T4R and was looking to see if you have any input with JBA upper control arms for our trucks? Seems to be the popular choice over SPC on the forums. Thanks!
We've had excellent results with SPC UCAs, and sell a ton of them for 4Runners. JBA is of course another excellent choice so you can;t really go wrong between the two.
Hey, I have a question, is it possible to tow with off road coilovers and still maintain optimum performance, or would I need to switch out the coils for stiffer ones every time I tow?
Would the SPC's work for a 2wd 06 f150? My setup is a 2.5 level with 285/55r20 tires with 0 offset wheels and 5" of backspacing. Also could they handle a fair amount of light off-roading?
I'd need to know more. Many lift kits are engineered to only work with factory UCAs so adding a pair with extra caster may cause an alignment issue. It's best to check with the lift kit manufacturer or your alignment shop.
Is it ok to add SPC upper control arms to an otherwise stock 5th gen 4Runner? Maybe I’m operating under a false assumption that I learned from Icon’s website, but I thought you need “extended travel coilovers” when you install UCAs with extended travel joints, or risk damaging something. Maybe that was with their spherical bearings? BTW, I know it there’s no performance benefit of adding an SPC UCA to a stock truck, but there are a couple good reasons why someone would (ie replacing damaged/boring stock UCAs while planning/saving for a future/expensive coilover upgrade)
Aftermarket UCAs are not needed until the front end is lifted more than 1.5" over stock height. They can certainly still be used but the benefits would be minimal. The coilovers are the "limiting straps" on these vehicles so using an upper control arm that allows for more travel doesn't change anything - but would allow for a slightly longer (extended travel) coilover.
Great video thank you! Been trying to decide what uca to put on 21 Colorado 4x4 with Eibach adjust coil over 2.5” lift front 1” rear . Def want polyurethane bush & beefy ball joint. Mavotechs any good ?
No music. No goofy opening. No one with a camera close up on their faces yelling at us. Simply to the point with useful information. I wish everyone else would do this...
We are so glad to hear that, thank you for the feedback!
Every time you do a video I learn more. Once again, clear, utter lack of nomenclature and incredibly informative. thank you for making these. I love learning this stuff and you present really well.
Thanks for the feedback, I'm so glad to hear it!
What is the maximum angular travel of Moog ball joint
This is the best explanation of upper control arms! I was an idiot before and now I am an educated consumer. Brilliant
This is an incredible presentation. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
I came to learn about upper control arms and got more than I bargained for. Superior job explaining btw. love the presentation with visuals and all. You explain things very well.
Sol glad to hear that, thank you!
I wish I could like these videos more than once. Honestly, the best videos on the internet I've found for understanding the equipment I want to put on my Taco. I'll definitely be by the shop whenever I'm in Boulder.
I'm so glad to hear it, thank you!
You're an outstanding presenter. Please keep up the good work. I'm loving the education.
Thank you, much appreciated!
I hope people realize the value of your videos Ben! I tell everyone that asks me about my suspension setup to buy from filthy motorsports. I wish i knew about your page before i ordered my setup with another company. God bless you and your peers !
I'm so happy to hear that, thank you!
Best deep dive into ball joints I've seen!
So glad you enjoyed it!
Best explanation I have found on YT about UCA
Thank you!
Great video breaking the differences down. To me it seems you are being very impartial and that kind of straightforward breakdown is very much appreciated when trying to make product decisions. Definitely subscribing for hopefully more good content like this.
Nicely done Ben.
Thanks!
Thumbs up again for the re-upload. Very informative and interesting even for someone who doesn't have a truck that uses UCAs. The section about ball joints is quite interesting!
Thanks! So glad to hear it!
Wow! I'm getting a lift done and replacing my UCAs. Very informative vid and now you provided such great information that I at least know how to shop for parts better and to be able to find a shop that is knowledgable on how to align my truck with the new UCAs.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for this. First time upgrading my upper control arms. This showed me so much. Great video
Glad it helped, thank you for letting us know!
This was the best explanation of ball joints and value I have seen great job
Thank you, Tony!
Awesome video. Many people need to watch it before deciding about uca. I really like how you went deep into the ball joints. Made me figure few things out and that was great comparing.
Glad you liked it!
Best information I've seen. Excellent online learning and support.
Fantastic video. Very well done. This really helped me understand the differences between the UCA’s and made my next decision easy. Thank you.
Great to hear!
Another quality video! Definitely interested in the SPC UCA for my full setup.
🙏🏽Thank you Ben for doing this subject on Ball joints. I typically stick OEM on 1stgen Tundra 4wd AC. I am looking too get a new set of UC's & I want the best design along with a very durable Balljoint system.
Very detailed and clear explanation. Learnt so much from you Ben. Awaiting for future videos. Keep up the great work. Cheers
Thank you, so glad to hear it!
"learnt" 😂
Nice class FOR FREE, lots of learning my man, thanks for sharing
You are very welcome, thanks for watching!
AWESOME video, Sir. I was debating the ICON Delta vs the SPCs and JBAs on a 5th gen T4R, but this settles it SPC it is! I look forward to watching more of your videos!
I'm so glad to hear that, thank you!
I was debating with SPC or Camburg for my 2016 4Runner. I’m lifting mine to 2.5” and 1.5” spacer. I guess I might just go SPC it’s cheaper and for its purpose. My 4R is my daily and never Offroad it yet. No plan so far.
Very well presented! Nothing I didn’t already know, but clear and concise. Job well done.
Wow awesome videos thanks a lot. Just stumbled upon them looking at your website. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on the delta joint upper arms for my 98 tacoma TRD 4x4 V6 but now thinking twice and looking at the SPC's
So glad to hear it! They are both excellent options!!
Great videos Ben. Thank you for sharing your attention to detail and providing the visuals with your cut aways. One suggestion though, and it’s only because you asked. Please, please try to drop the power-block cadence. Yours isn’t horribly bad but it would be such a huge improvement to your presentation. Everything else is so on point.
Thank you for the feedback!
Finally! After reading through so many forums and articles where it seems like its just preference on getting control arms with a 3" leveling kit on a 15 silverado. Good to hear real information and why you should replace them.
Very informative video specially the cut section part. Thank you for such a nice video lecture. One thing I wanted to know about maximum angular travel allowed by Moog ball joint
Excellent video. Very thorough and precise. Great channel.
Much appreciated!
Best ever video explaining this! Thanks
Oh wow, thank you!!
Thank you. Even though there are many out there that want to have that race look, it seems to come at a steep price point! This video clip answers so many questions and in detail. This education is awesome!
So glad to hear it, thank you!
Outstanding video. Very informative and well done. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I was about to buy race UCAs for the FJ. Looks like SPC is the way to go for my application. Great video!
Thank you for the info! Very knowledgeable and user friendly. Appreciate you!
Awesome explanation, super stoked to see more content. Staying tuned!
Cheers!
Thank you for this! Very clear. Was looking forever for answers i didnt know i needed. Then this. Learning complete! Thanks again!
Haha, so glad to hear it, glad you watched!
Super educational! Thanks for taking the time to do all the cutting, etc.
I'm so glad to hear that, thank you!
Great stuff guys! Learned a lot while folding laundry 😆
Glad to hear we made your chores more enjoyable!
Thanks Ben for such a great video. I changed where I am getting my SPC control arm aligned at.
Cheers!
Thank you so much for making these videos. No bro hype with just facts. I love the pros and cons of all the setups. Your the man!!
That is exactly what we were shooting for, so glad to hear it came out that way! Cheers!
Excellent presentation.I learn a lot.THX you..keep up the good work
Thank you!
This video is so detailed and awesome!
Thanks so much!
What about lower a arms? SPC as well ?
I’m gathering parts for my 07 frontier 4x
Rural Colorado has rough roads and extreme weather......this will be my 3rd time replacing front end .
moog was okay but got eaten up within 2 to 3 years
Watched this video soon after the shop I go to recommended SPC UCA’s for my 2013 4Runner Trail. Even when others are going with Total Chaos, etc, he recommended SPC’s for durability and less maintenance.
Thanks for sharing, we hear that a lot from our customers!
So I was on Amazon trying to buy uca ball joint and lower ball joints for my 4runner, but moog problem solver was getting bad reviews, like they fail prematurely or what not. Even some RUclips vid out there. So I opted for OEM for that reason. But those SPC uca look real nice.
@Filthy Motorsports
3 Questions caused by your great/extremely educational video; Scenario: Have a 2017 Tacoma OR DCLB. Have an OME BP-51 kit (front and rears) preparing to install soon and am staying as close to no lift as possible for now (maybe go up 3/4-1"). I'm not increasing tire size (265/70/16) yet, may one day go to 265/75/16. Prepping truck for comfortable daily driving (bad back) and weekend getaways with a slide in four wheel pop up camper (arrives in June). Also doing air bags in rear to balance camper load as needed. I'm not blazing off road but I do hit old dirt and rock roads for camping and at a good pace. I'm looking for quality/reliability/ease of service and most importantly, dialed in alignment. So here's my dilemma's/3 questions: #1- I was going to go w/OME's uca's but now I'm not sure if I should consider the SPC's or the Icon Delta uca's. What are your thoughts between the 3 uca's given my scenario? #2-Since I'm more daily driver than weekend warrior and have air bags, I'm beginning to lean towards Icon RXT leafs instead of the OME's, because RXT's appear to be more progressive. Suggestion? #3-Front bump stops. For progressive reasons and lower height I'm leaning towards Wheelers Off Road stops instead of Timbren. Suggestion?
So far the best videos I’ve seen. I love the very well detailed explanation. God bless you.
Great video well explained like always...
I would like to see a comparison between MAZZULA/ CAMBURG/BAJAKITS/DIRTKING UPPER CONTROL ARMS billet and boxed..and if you recomend those for daily driven or race purposes or weekend warrior..thanks in advance...
I like the the adjustability of the ball joint but I have concerns about squeaking upper control arm bushings. I don't see any zerk fittings to keep them lubed. I had a bad experience with polyurethane bushings making noise in the past.
There are no Zerk fittings on the SPCs, however, the trick with polyurethane is to go heavy with some synthetic lube (Super Lube in a gray tube) during the installation and then they stay quiet.
Am I not seeing one in the above video?
@@Filthymotorsports
You definitely explained the uniball well.....thanks
Thank you for watching!
I’d love for you to compare some JBA control arms in with these too. Another option worth a look. And cheaper than the spc.
JBAs are great, they use the Moog ball joints :)
What about their delta joints? Still Moog ???
Excellent video! keep up the good work.
This stuff should be thought in high school to everyone By this guy.
Haha!
Another big question I would love to see answered is, and maybe it would have to be vehicle specific, but at a 2-in front level on a truck...is a aftermarket UCA required to not have alignment issues or interference with the strut/spring? Getting Bilstein 6112 for the front of my F150, or that's the plan anyways.
Thanks for the question, yes, aftermarket UCAs would be highly recommended above 1.5" of lift for a proper alignment.
Watching your video; give me a better idea what could be the problem with my front passenger's tire what looks closer to the fender compare to driver side.
Will check my lower control arm and hope that I can move the tire forward and fix the problem.
Thanks...
Could be an alignment issue or some vehicles are in-fact built with one front tire slightly forward of the other by design.
You really are one of the best out there. Thx for the great info!
Wooow excelent information, thank you for the outstanding research, very easy to understad for those of us that start to modify a Truck suspensión and with this information we can do the rigth way 😀😀
You are very welcome, glad to hear you enjoyed it!
The plastic in the SPC may be so dirt will dig into the softer plastic vs scratching on the ball. Path of least resistance possibly?
Very interesting! I like it.
Learned a lot from this video. Thanks for all of the info.
Very informative. When are you going to do a similar full video on lower control arms?
Thank you! There is not much to be said about LCAs, they rarely every need to be replaced outside of a long travel suspension system. Do you have any specific questions about LCAs?
thank you for the education. your presentation is excellent.
Now it makes sense why some auto shops won’t work on individual suspension pieces on lifted vehicles. I bought and personally installed those $40 upper control arms ($40 for the pair!) on my 07 4Runner Sport with about a 2.5 inch spacer lift. The handling improved quite a bit at least in reducing some steering wander, but a thousand or two miles later and the steering is loose feeling again. It’s like the feeling of crossing another boats’ wake when it’s nearly parallel so it has kind of a roll sensation that may take some extra work to climb out from the low point between wake crests. The UPA I pulled out prior were nearly the same as the replacement, but typically/approximately how much lift can those cheapies handle or were you saying that lifting results in zero changes to the actual travel of the arms? Thanks for the great videos
Thank you for sharing! On a 4runner, an OEM style UCA is typically good for about 1.5" of lift. Aftermarket UCAs will work up to 3" of lift, although we don't recommend more than 2.5"
insane value in this video. curious if there is any updates you think could be added in past 5 years?
Awesome video ! Thank you for passing on your knowledge !
You are very welcome, thank you for watching!
Can you replace a uniball with a ball joint on a UCA? I have Tuff Country UCA's and have no need for the articulation of a Uniball nor the hassle of replacing a Uniball.
The Icon Delta Joint was originally developed for that purpose, primarily for Icon Uniball arms but I think they have models for other UCAs.
Fantastic video and awesome explanation, thank you!
Great video Thank you. What kind of RC truck is that. In the beginning of video.
Wish I could remember as we get that question a lot. We bought used ones on eBay.
Thanks for the info. Now i am curious about the spc's. Might switch out the fabtech uniballs. Although i just found the replacement spherical bearings for $50 ea. The first set lasted me about two years. I'm in Massachusetts with alot of salt and calcium in the winter. And i go wheeling in the spring, summer and fall, lots of mud.
Amazing video thanks. 25:56 Why would someone choose a delta joint. What are those unique features? Seems like the Moog is the same yet has a better price and is more durable.
Pretty much. The main benefit of the Delta joint is that it replaces the spherical bearings on some older Icon upper control arms.
@@Filthymotorsports Thanks for the quick reply. Also how do you know when your bearing needs replacing?
i want to lift my 1995 dodge dakota 2inch and use after market upper and lower control arms ,can u reckamend any
Do any aftermarket UCA companies use Moog Problem Solver ball joints as their standard equipment?
What a wealth of knowledge. Great videos. You are making me want to drive 30 hours to come to your shop. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
So glad to hear it, thank you for watching!
Great breakdown on the types of joints. Giving the actual Rockwell C numbers on the hardness test would be beneficial to some. Simply comparing hardness of the ball without the race it sits in doesn't mean much, it's the system. There are instances where I may use parts into the HRc 60 range for one application and only in the 40s for another depending on the ductility required for that joint at my day job. I assume the test were done with one of the file kits? Or do you have a bench top indenter type machine?
The hardness of the balls in these applications isn't critical considering the ball joints are (should be) well lubricated at all times and, as such, wear on the ball joints isn't a common issue and thus should not be a significant deciding factor when selecting UCAs. Great question!
How do you feel about JBA Upper Control Arms ? I want SPC but I worry about people not knowing how to work on them and the expense....JBA is $150 cheaper. I only have a 3" lift with 32" tires and do light to moderate off roading. No extreme crazy stuff. I trust your opinion a ton after this break down. Thanks
JBA makes very good upper control arms!
@@Filthymotorsports Thank you , I went ahead and got them. People in my area dont understand SPC UCA's it seems.
4years later is the moog upper control arm still safe to buy for durability?
Yes, absolutely.
Could you maybe just give us a quick explanation of the difference between the Icon tubular UCA w/ delta joint vs the Icon billet UCA? They are vastly different prices. Does the billet offer something much better?
The billet arms look cooler.
wow. such great information. Great work!
Glad you liked it! Thank you!
Great educational video! Thanks for the class and your time for doing it. I’m definitely going to subscribe to your channel.
Good video. Very informative. I have a 2017 4runner and doing a Dobinsons lift kit and planning on putting 285s tires. I was not planning on replacing the upper control arm until now. Watching the video is making wonder if I should go ahead and upgrade the stock arm. Is the stock arm strong enough. I am not going to rock climbing or race a baha dessert. Just need the lift for flood zones and crossing creates when going to the mountains. Thank you for your time
I have a 2006 Nissan Frontier. I am going to put on a 3 inch strut spacer and 3 inch shackle on it. I'm installing some 285/75/r16 tires on. What upper control arms do you recommend for my truck with the lift kit and larger tires? Thank you.
SPC for sure: www.filthymotorsports.com/SPC_UCAs_p/spc-uca.htm
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great video answered many of my questions
Glad to hear it!
How many deg of movement does each joint allow? Do deg of movement matter in typical applications? Does deg of movement matter in a Toyota LT application? What are the hardness ratings? If you would like to include this I work in a lab capable of these hardness measurements. Thanks!
On any aftermarket UCAs, the ball joints offer way more misalignment than the suspension could ever use so it's not a factor in this comparison. As for hardness we do have the numbers but decided not to go into that in this video. Thanks for the offer!
Thanks for making this video
Really enjoyed it.
Glad to hear it!
Very helpful video , thank you sir !
PS. You have a new subscriber 👍
Thank you for watching and subscribing!
I notice King offers Camburg UCA in their advanced kits. Other than for racing does Camburg also offer an endurance UCA with Moog ball joints?
I have a 6inch lift on my taco and was wondering what kind of control arms I should get because I want to put a 1inch spacer but the stock control arms are maxed out at 6inchs what should I get??????
That depends on the lift kit, some are designed to work best with OEM geometry UCAs and others benefit from aftermarket UCAs. In any case, the only UCAs we recommend for lifted trucks are these adjustable SPC UCA: www.filthymotorsports.com/SPC_UCAs_p/spc-uca.htm
Any suggestions or ideas for the 2001 ford super duty 7.3, upper Control arm replacement
Lol. Those trucks don't have UCAs.
I have All Pro uniball upper control arms and the uniball is so hard to move to install and lineup with my spindle. Any tips anyone?
I now know truck-fu a little better now, thank you so much!
Lol, glad we could help!
My Icons UCA on my F150 squeak even after greasing them. Do I just go with another brand that’s not ooly ?
We would need to know more information. None of these upper control arms should squeak when installed correctly and lubricated properly.
I drive a 2019 T4R and was looking to see if you have any input with JBA upper control arms for our trucks? Seems to be the popular choice over SPC on the forums. Thanks!
Chevy s10 ball joint.
We've had excellent results with SPC UCAs, and sell a ton of them for 4Runners. JBA is of course another excellent choice so you can;t really go wrong between the two.
Awesome videos..i learned allot thru them all thank you
if I add a 1" extended ball joint to an aftermarket UCA how much inches in lift allowance will it give me?
Hey, I have a question, is it possible to tow with off road coilovers and still maintain optimum performance, or would I need to switch out the coils for stiffer ones every time I tow?
That really depends more on how the suspension is setup, but yes, that is a very common request.
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Would the SPC's work for a 2wd 06 f150? My setup is a 2.5 level with 285/55r20 tires with 0 offset wheels and 5" of backspacing. Also could they handle a fair amount of light off-roading?
Absolutely! www.filthymotorsports.com/SPC_UCAs_p/spc-uca.htm
I have a 06silverado 1500 with a 6inch liftkit and just got cognito upper control arms will I notice a difference after there installed?
I'd need to know more. Many lift kits are engineered to only work with factory UCAs so adding a pair with extra caster may cause an alignment issue. It's best to check with the lift kit manufacturer or your alignment shop.
Is it ok to add SPC upper control arms to an otherwise stock 5th gen 4Runner? Maybe I’m operating under a false assumption that I learned from Icon’s website, but I thought you need “extended travel coilovers” when you install UCAs with extended travel joints, or risk damaging something. Maybe that was with their spherical bearings?
BTW, I know it there’s no performance benefit of adding an SPC UCA to a stock truck, but there are a couple good reasons why someone would (ie replacing damaged/boring stock UCAs while planning/saving for a future/expensive coilover upgrade)
Aftermarket UCAs are not needed until the front end is lifted more than 1.5" over stock height. They can certainly still be used but the benefits would be minimal. The coilovers are the "limiting straps" on these vehicles so using an upper control arm that allows for more travel doesn't change anything - but would allow for a slightly longer (extended travel) coilover.
I've never seen adjusters on a factory tacoma upper control arm ?
Great video thank you! Been trying to decide what uca to put on 21 Colorado 4x4 with Eibach adjust coil over 2.5” lift front 1” rear . Def want polyurethane bush & beefy ball joint. Mavotechs any good ?