FAMU Marching 100 - Slow One (Death March)

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  • @aaronalmighty1119
    @aaronalmighty1119 4 года назад +39

    If it wasn't for FAMU a lot of these other bands would not exist. FAMU is the father of marching bands. Historical FACT!!! All HBCU'S and PWI'S have take from FAM.

    • @AnthonyEDavis-tm5ci
      @AnthonyEDavis-tm5ci 2 года назад +2

      Do your research. Tuskegee was the FIRST HBCU Marching Band.

    • @sergeverdier1
      @sergeverdier1 2 года назад +1

      Lol sorry u know nothing that rattling they doing originated from Michigan I think a white school

    • @debrascarlett2138
      @debrascarlett2138 2 года назад +5

      @@AnthonyEDavis-tm5ci maybe but they did not perform like the 100! We set the standard!

    • @etgrider77
      @etgrider77 Год назад +5

      @@AnthonyEDavis-tm5ci Tuskegee was the first HBCU to establish a marching band, Alabama A & M was the second but FAMU is noted as the first HBCU band to create the show style. Tuskegee and Alabama A &M were military style bands upon their inception. FAMU introduced the traditional HBCU show style we see today.

    • @ShutUpAndBump
      @ShutUpAndBump Год назад

      @@sergeverdier1 Michigan did not create the rattler

  • @Rapture11968
    @Rapture11968 11 лет назад +65

    it still amazes me how FAMU's drumline is so massive but only has 4 cymbals players... mind-boggling

    • @garyhammons3113
      @garyhammons3113 7 лет назад +18

      And just those 4 sound like 12.

    • @aronthompson5671
      @aronthompson5671 4 года назад +4

      Maybe the band director feels thats all they need

    • @unknownperson993
      @unknownperson993 4 года назад +4

      Aron Thompson it is very difficult to be a cymbal player at famu, everyone can’t do what famu cymbals do

    • @infinitecontent8001
      @infinitecontent8001 3 года назад +1

      Bruh, you still haven't assessed the fact is that is the part of the 100 who was deemed well enough to take the field.

  • @marymalone1754
    @marymalone1754 5 лет назад +11

    The coldest I have seen just on another level than anything I have mad respect for FAMU after seeing this

  • @ptoyman
    @ptoyman 8 лет назад +113

    AMAZING!!! That "Slow One" looks painful as hell!! I love all the HBCU marching bands and the rich tradition they represent but this band is definitely in a class all by itself. What gets me is not only are the steps tight, but the tonality is exceptional. Just saw them play NC A&T this past Halloween and I was blown away. This is a black tradition that we must always embrace and celebrate. Thanks for the post!

    • @3ptmre
      @3ptmre 8 лет назад +7

      Painful but when the drum majors blow that whistle for bring it on the adrenaline starts rushing

    • @ptoyman
      @ptoyman 8 лет назад +6

      +Delvin Scott Yeah, I can believe that by the way they attack that field right after that grueling Slow One. It looks awesome from a distance. Without a doubt the best field entrance out there.

    • @3ptmre
      @3ptmre 8 лет назад +4

      +ptoyman 2010 was a great year as a freshman in that band

    • @ptoyman
      @ptoyman 8 лет назад +4

      +Delvin Scott That's a very special honor to be able to say you were part of that exceptional marching tradition. I live in Georgia and hope to be able to catch more of FAMU's games next season, particularly the Florida Classic against BCU. I hope The 100 participates in the next Honda Battle of the bands. They were truly missed.

    • @3ptmre
      @3ptmre 8 лет назад +3

      +ptoyman hopefully we get a invite this coming year

  • @beverlysmith5153
    @beverlysmith5153 5 лет назад +8

    Will ALWAYS love this band!!! FAMU you have had my heart since the first time I saw you in Tampa, Fl 1979

  • @jkanyce
    @jkanyce 12 лет назад +13

    Man, there's nothing like it!! Especially when they start rattlin'.

  • @Drum2live
    @Drum2live 11 лет назад +16

    A drum major for every FAMU president

  • @tiffanythomas6132
    @tiffanythomas6132 10 лет назад +29

    Memories...sweet, sweet memories

    • @fountainmedia4683
      @fountainmedia4683 10 лет назад +1

      Robert Champions parents wish they could say the same goddam thing.

    • @sirjakesheirachiobabalotti1342
      @sirjakesheirachiobabalotti1342 9 лет назад

      The articles you say were from 2000, are from 2009 ..you need to.do more fundamental reading. It dont matter if it happen in your day or 20 years later. Some way or another you and your fellow band members help create the environment were hazing existed. To sit here and lie to us saying it never happened is bull. You said in another comment you had been hazed before...

  • @robertsmith20022
    @robertsmith20022 4 года назад +14

    Thought it was a myth when I first heard that you could feel the ground shake.....

  • @nostaljiq
    @nostaljiq 12 лет назад +8

    FAMU 4ever!! I bleed orange and green! I grew up on this...Proud alumn!!

    • @BOWBELL2
      @BOWBELL2 4 года назад +1

      # mee toooo🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍🐍

  • @rodtrues1
    @rodtrues1 5 лет назад +19

    I love seeing a Band take the field like that ,,,, that’s ole school,, tradition ,,yes,, we need that,,,

  • @Jays81305girl
    @Jays81305girl 12 лет назад +13

    March Children! #RIP ROBERT CHAMPION

  • @Wizdominion
    @Wizdominion 6 лет назад +25

    Dr. Foster, best band director in the land. R.I.P.

    • @ronniemeador7883
      @ronniemeador7883 4 года назад

      Ronniemeadoryosno

    • @EC-jk4wv
      @EC-jk4wv Год назад +1

      Set the standard for Marching Bands. Precision and sound that’s unrivaled.
      RIP Doctor Foster
      The legacy is alive and well 🙏🏾🙏🏾

  • @chuchibaby305
    @chuchibaby305 8 лет назад +18

    FAMU FOREVER!!!! BLEED ORANGE AND GREEN

  • @darylegranderson3332
    @darylegranderson3332 4 года назад +5

    If only the Football team could keep up with the status of the Marching 100... Remember watching and wondering why ..and no i wasn't in the band but use 2 watch them practice...crazy

  • @leekman4684
    @leekman4684 7 лет назад +22

    famu know they really marching 300

    • @javahrien
      @javahrien 6 лет назад +3

      rasta man its marching 400

    • @BABYDOLLNESTLE
      @BABYDOLLNESTLE 5 лет назад +3

      BCU band is 425 we bigger

    • @shamiaworld8897
      @shamiaworld8897 5 лет назад +2

      @@BABYDOLLNESTLE may be bigger but y'all sure ain't on level lol

  • @reddfyareddfya
    @reddfyareddfya 4 года назад +2

    Haven't watched my HBCU band in a while.. I can say I wasn't disappointed !! Goooo 🐍

  • @g7108
    @g7108 3 года назад +2

    I used to go to the UM- FAMU games just to see this band

  • @Cloud9crown
    @Cloud9crown 13 лет назад +2

  • @DARKNINJA-nb6gx
    @DARKNINJA-nb6gx 5 лет назад +5

    Rattler for life

  • @miamimoney8878
    @miamimoney8878 2 года назад +1

    Never seen them much drum majors much respect to famu

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад +5

    @MrMannM1 use to be the most magical entrance...kinda feel off around 2005...

  • @lashaunwilliams3671
    @lashaunwilliams3671 6 лет назад

    Omg !! They did this frfr❤️❤️❤️

  • @Beauty_is_her
    @Beauty_is_her 7 лет назад +4

    My HBCU ❤️

  • @brightlocs17
    @brightlocs17 13 лет назад +6

    Love Famu, Thanks for posting.

  • @famupiccolo92
    @famupiccolo92 13 лет назад +4

    @ariesfire041 There is a Drum Major for every President FAMU has had...So YES 10 Presidents...10 Drum Majors...

  • @mazemoore5976
    @mazemoore5976 11 месяцев назад

    Beautiful.. 😭

  • @crownloyal7244
    @crownloyal7244 4 года назад +3

    The Marching 100 Tallahassee,Florida

  • @tyronerobinson9239
    @tyronerobinson9239 5 лет назад +3

    i enjoyed it

  • @lboogie30579
    @lboogie30579 10 лет назад +19

    What's with the negative comments about??? Paris seems to like famu. And washington does too especially for inaugurations. Ooops did I forget superbowls also.......gtfoh miss famu with the bs

    • @garyhammons3113
      @garyhammons3113 7 лет назад +3

      lboogie30579 envy makes some folk hate.

    • @sbrown1282
      @sbrown1282 5 лет назад +3

      Haters got to do what haters got to do.

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад +5

    please bring the spats back...it looks alot better then just all white on whites..

  • @acoleman9036
    @acoleman9036 4 года назад

    Great job

  • @HotOffThePressFilms
    @HotOffThePressFilms 11 лет назад +7

    DEATH MARCH! WOW THAT TITLE SPEAKS VOLUMES. BUT GLAD FAMU BAND BACK IN ACTION. THEY HAVE A LOT OF TALENT AND A FEW SHOULDN'T SPOIL IT FOR OTHER TALENTED MUSICIANS WHO OBEY BY THE RULES. CHECK OUT BAND BLAST DOCUMENTARY STARRING NC A&T STATE BAND ON MY PAGE, INTRODUCING NCCU AND WSSU BANDS.

    • @KnightofAntiquity
      @KnightofAntiquity 5 лет назад +3

      The Death March doesn't refer to what you think. FAMU marches must do perfect high knees. Its called The Slow One. AKA the Death March because interval between the steps decreases significantly and you have to keep a perfect stance on one leg, without falling, and carrying you instrument... which can be especially difficult for the Marchers with heavier instruments whose weight hangs on one side of their body.

  • @kingofdrop1
    @kingofdrop1 13 лет назад +5

    @famupiccolo92 Hubba famupiccolo92 they don't understand what the 100 is about and why we do things the way we do them

  • @GentlemanScholar3
    @GentlemanScholar3 13 лет назад +3

    All Hail LB Devon Marrett

  • @KJMitchell
    @KJMitchell 13 лет назад +3

    10 drum majors....10 !!!!!!!!

  • @shaqwilliams3343
    @shaqwilliams3343 4 года назад

    I just watched the new 100 and its amazing how almost everyone has their balance and no one in the new 100 has it together.

  • @johnwilliams5660
    @johnwilliams5660 Год назад

    THIS IS THE REAL DEAL

  • @akeemjackman9582
    @akeemjackman9582 4 года назад +1

    Credit is due where it is given....FAMU is the ish

  • @dmorse91
    @dmorse91 11 лет назад +1

    Good Job FAMU-
    ~S.U.Human Jukebox Jag

  • @Freeumh_
    @Freeumh_ Год назад

    All them damn drummajors

  • @derricktrahan3645
    @derricktrahan3645 Год назад

    On Nov 19, 2011, Robert Champion, A FAMU Drum Major was beaten to death by a busload of not only band members but alumni as well.

    • @AHKAHKI
      @AHKAHKI Год назад

      Mind Your Business

    • @derricktrahan3645
      @derricktrahan3645 Год назад

      @@AHKAHKI This is my business !! Please Mind Your Business.

  • @TiffanyHeggs
    @TiffanyHeggs 6 лет назад

    💕🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💅🏾🔥🔥🔥

  • @charlesbrown4823
    @charlesbrown4823 8 лет назад +2

    famu lifer

  • @bernie7044
    @bernie7044 2 года назад +2

    Those kids do not get the credit they deserve. I'll take it a step further and say no college band gets the credit they deserve. The hours upon hours these kids put in is something that is to be admired and respected. For anybody to make negative comments is just plain rude, ugly, and distasteful. I'm originally from NW Florida and I spent a lot of time in Tallahassee. My dream was to play baseball at FAMU but I ended up going elsewhere. These kids would be practicing in rain, the cold, the heat, you name it. I'm talking Florida heat in the mid to high 90s and then we add in the humidity. I played sports my entire life but there is nothing more brutalizing than standing in the heat. At least in sports we are running to get a breeze. They get nothing. It's hard enough to do that Death March without an instrument. It is really sad that people cannot actually just enjoy they efforts and dedication it took for each of these kids to even be a part of this band. I'm not a band guy. I don't have any experience on any musical instrument. These kids need to know how special they are and how big their accomplishment truly is. That is any band at that level. Sure some are better than others but people just take things like this for granted. We are talking 100 or so kids, that's it. The odds of even making these teams are almost impossible. Unlike a lot of people, I love marching bands of all kinds. It doesn't matter the school nor if the band is predominantly white or black, respect and love one another for the accomplishment they have made. These bands, all of them are a special gift and I wished people would see this instead of being negative. I have been in Stadiums all over and seen many bands but not to be biased, The Marching 100 is something special to behold. But so is Texas A&M, Southern University, Florida State, the list goes on. Only an idiot judges a band by some bs political construct. Enjoy it why we have because we will certainly lose this if people do not wake up to the rruth.

    • @AHKAHKI
      @AHKAHKI Год назад

      Beautifully Applied

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад +1

    the 100 use to be kickin up dust and grass flying when they use to bring it on...def can tell the quality of the musician has changed...put um in the cut..lol

  • @Wizdominion
    @Wizdominion 6 лет назад +31

    This got to be the only band that has no dancers shaking their asses in the middle of the field. Obviously, Dr. Foster did not play that!!!!

    • @veedub447
      @veedub447 5 лет назад +7

      Apparently Dr. Foster did tolerate beating drum majors to death.

    • @CleanIsClean
      @CleanIsClean 5 лет назад +2

      veedub447 lame

    • @shelleybaldwin2147
      @shelleybaldwin2147 5 лет назад +1

      @@veedub447 really?

    • @veedub447
      @veedub447 5 лет назад +1

      @@shelleybaldwin2147 that's why he was fired

    • @kenyettadoyle1200
      @kenyettadoyle1200 5 лет назад +1

      Do one band need this many drum majors?

  • @famupiccolo92
    @famupiccolo92 13 лет назад +1

    @dadegoon85 and Vice Versa to YOU sir....

  • @AsToldByAlexia
    @AsToldByAlexia 10 лет назад +26

    FAMU got 10 drum majors. That's a lot

    • @MsCole2012
      @MsCole2012 6 лет назад +4

      Alexia Mitchell Each Drum Major represents each one of our presidents that served at our school

    • @JustnVids
      @JustnVids 5 лет назад +3

      Tawanda Melvin oh I didn’t know that! That makes it even more reasonable to have 10, but I just wonder why they drop the number tho?

    • @MsCole2012
      @MsCole2012 5 лет назад +1

      @@JustnVids I'm not sure, when I find out I will update you.

    • @JustnVids
      @JustnVids 5 лет назад

      Tawanda Melvin cool

    • @BABYDOLLNESTLE
      @BABYDOLLNESTLE 5 лет назад

      Too damn many

  • @raya7842
    @raya7842 5 лет назад +3

    Death march....how fitting!

  • @djvybez242
    @djvybez242 2 года назад

    I can still do the death March. Summer camps on the patch @FAMU.

  • @ykmaya8371
    @ykmaya8371 3 года назад

    they had bout 20 drum majors and 400 band members that’s bout the whole damn school😭😭..

  • @kenishamilbourne5790
    @kenishamilbourne5790 7 лет назад

    i am so sad😥😥😥

  • @amphowar
    @amphowar 12 лет назад +1

    #RATTLERS STAND UP!!!!!!!!

  • @amphowar
    @amphowar 12 лет назад +9

    It's funny how I see all these negative comments on a FAMU video, Shiddddd if u don't like it stay off the page....This only goes to show....That these other bands do steal our shit....I mean it aint no secret....The Rattler, Dancing, Playing R&B and Rap music...that shit was started by #THA LAW.....shid if i'm lying prove me wrong with video or documentation....I know i aint tho so dont waste ur time looking for it....We set the standard for other bands to follow......CHECK and MATE!!!!!!

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад +1

    drum major to the far right doin the back bend then taking the fuck off need to be be head DM...dat shit was tight though

  • @marquelwood3178
    @marquelwood3178 5 лет назад +1

    How many drum majors do you have

  • @the_comfy_pa3da150
    @the_comfy_pa3da150 2 года назад

    2:00 🔥

  • @choclatedrpz
    @choclatedrpz 11 лет назад +2

    Rattle!!!!!!

  • @dcaggie101
    @dcaggie101 12 лет назад +1

    the murdering 100.......who would want to cross now?

    • @marcustaylor5130
      @marcustaylor5130 5 лет назад

      dcaggie101 lol

    • @shamiaworld8897
      @shamiaworld8897 5 лет назад +1

      Can't be murder wen u willing decide to participate in something just to say u did it and made it to bus c. Sorry he lost his life but he was already a an upper classman DM idk what he felt he had to prove he was already that top. Egis are our biggest down fall

  • @famupiccolo92
    @famupiccolo92 13 лет назад +2

    @ariesfire041 and you know how we feel about Opinions....I don't care what you think if you didn't march in the 100...It goes deeper but you didn't cross....so you don't know.....Keep your opinion....It is yours....I won't deny you that...and have a happy day....Come back and talk to me once you have crossed the 100.....IJS.

  • @jennifermondesire3135
    @jennifermondesire3135 Год назад

    Dear FAMU
    Please read my letters Jesus
    Jesus , why do I feel I am breathing glass?

  • @famupiccolo92
    @famupiccolo92 13 лет назад +1

    @Alkaseltzer254 FAMU Drum Major Tradition..

  • @kingtaythe2
    @kingtaythe2 12 лет назад

    Whats the name of the routine after Slow one

  • @amphowar
    @amphowar 12 лет назад +4

    There's always 1......hater that is!!!!!!

  • @UhhhAreyouok
    @UhhhAreyouok 13 лет назад +1

    @famupiccolo92 Oh ok. I'm a FAMU fan of the 90's (not so much of the 00's) and I never knew the band had a DM for every president. I, however, think its a lil too much and unnecessary. That is just my opinion.

  • @PatrickLuft
    @PatrickLuft 11 лет назад

    What this band?

  • @jeremyldb3
    @jeremyldb3 13 лет назад

    @dadegoon85 feel good about yourself after that post now huh?

  • @Tigerwarhawk
    @Tigerwarhawk 13 лет назад +2

    Of course, you can't please everybody...but I like the white shoes! With that said, that's the worse I've ever seen FAMU's drum majors. But hey, even the best have bad days.

  • @godlike3460
    @godlike3460 4 года назад +1

    10 drummajors???

  • @chefthewizard2856
    @chefthewizard2856 7 лет назад +8

    Yo why are there so many drum majors wth

    • @Yamama288
      @Yamama288 7 лет назад +9

      Because famu at that time had 400ish members and the ratio of dms: bms had to be adjusted

    • @liveforone
      @liveforone 6 лет назад +6

      It was a drum major for each president famu had

    • @fallendream.s2035
      @fallendream.s2035 4 года назад

      Lol because the band is too big 😂

  • @UhhhAreyouok
    @UhhhAreyouok 13 лет назад +3

    10 DM's??? Really???

    • @garyhammons3113
      @garyhammons3113 7 лет назад +1

      ariesfire041
      The 10 Drum Majors are section leaders - the head DM is always the one in the middle. In this case it's Devon Marion.

  • @amphowar
    @amphowar 12 лет назад +1

    lmmfao....If u say so smart guy....This dialogue is over....If i argue or debate with a fool i'm just as much a fool as he is!!!!!!!

  • @Travis....
    @Travis.... 6 лет назад +4

    Why do the need all those drumajors ?

    • @amayarberry
      @amayarberry 5 лет назад +1

      Issa big band 💁🏽‍♀️😂😂😂

    • @minniecolson9018
      @minniecolson9018 4 года назад

      Yes, all of them are truly needed. It seems as though they each a have a section and that's awesome.

  • @lvplackbussy9831
    @lvplackbussy9831 Год назад

    Death March? They must have been on bus C

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад

    @Alkaseltzer254 yeah...cant tell um they aint the shit nomore....timothy barber was da shit when he was head dm...

  • @Mr-bk6by
    @Mr-bk6by 3 года назад

    why so many drum majors?

  • @leiaOrgana3000
    @leiaOrgana3000 10 лет назад +4

    y'all some real haters ijs

  • @fwrinkledsoles
    @fwrinkledsoles 12 лет назад +2

    dbaile2 you are right, somehow I almost join FAMU band back in 1968 however I did make it in Southern University Band because I liked southern band better. I can say the both bands were different in the way they marched as a unit.

  • @sbxgii
    @sbxgii 2 года назад

    2:22

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 13 лет назад

    @MrMannM1 use to be...dont know what to make of this...kids sorry nowadays bruh...its no secret to that..

  • @GullahGeecheeFarmer
    @GullahGeecheeFarmer 9 лет назад +4

    I like the 100 up to about 07 after that the band got sloppy

    • @rufus85junyax
      @rufus85junyax 5 лет назад

      Right......u kno what happened right? But, my same thoughts like yikes

    • @shamiaworld8897
      @shamiaworld8897 5 лет назад

      @@rufus85junyax we all know what happen 🙄

  • @awol_n_dallas4402
    @awol_n_dallas4402 2 года назад

    Dang. Took them 20 minutes just to run on the field....🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾

  • @famupiccolo92
    @famupiccolo92 12 лет назад +1

    @wb1031 and you got your info from where? 1 year dear... Only 1

  • @tonmydid
    @tonmydid 5 лет назад

    Yup how did I guess someone would say its a black thing....I thought I was watching the movie -
    ZZZZZUUUUUUULLLLLLUUUUUI

  • @BourneKilla21
    @BourneKilla21 11 лет назад

    10 Drum Majors..... smh

  • @paulcooper4900
    @paulcooper4900 Год назад

    Omg this camera guy is aweful

  • @kirkseyava
    @kirkseyava 5 лет назад

    The most imitated bad in the world?????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sike

    • @KnightofAntiquity
      @KnightofAntiquity 5 лет назад

      The Marching 100 completely chanfed Marching Bands mate.

  • @csbadboy0083
    @csbadboy0083 11 лет назад +2

    They cool but JSU is better and where it started sometimes less is better it look sloppy

    • @shamiaworld8897
      @shamiaworld8897 5 лет назад

      JSU have good dancer and DM that's about it without them no one would pay attention

  • @Ajizzlesoe13
    @Ajizzlesoe13 11 лет назад

    Damn drum majors ruined the effect lol

  • @chisbrabley6887
    @chisbrabley6887 4 месяца назад

    famu is NOT what it used to be

  • @dbaile2
    @dbaile2 12 лет назад +4

    im sorry bruh but the current 100 aint shit compared to the one from 1980's through 2002...you know it, i know it..and the lord knows it...i bet them old heads are very pissed about what the noobs have done to their band program...

    • @veedub447
      @veedub447 5 лет назад

      You mean the 100 that used to beat its members to death?

  • @dcaggie101
    @dcaggie101 12 лет назад +1

    what do u have going for you now other than law suits ....no point of having a band anyway when u don't have a director...lol

  • @BeastMaster500
    @BeastMaster500 11 лет назад

    Bore me to DEATH MARCH

  • @dcaggie101
    @dcaggie101 12 лет назад +2

    but will u be doing it again is the question...proably not....long live the AGGIE band but CAUSE the 100 is DEAD!

  • @UsernameJones
    @UsernameJones 11 лет назад +1

    and attitudes like that are exactly why you guys got exposed and shut down. I love the band but I've never been down with the egos and drama that goes with it.

  • @BABYDOLLNESTLE
    @BABYDOLLNESTLE 5 лет назад +1

    Horrible recording!!

    • @xbox_vault2.099
      @xbox_vault2.099 3 года назад

      Last time I checked bcu band didn’t have a professional recording team

  • @PatrickLuft
    @PatrickLuft 11 лет назад

    I like Notre Dame"s Marching Band better.

    • @daddyyo9103
      @daddyyo9103 6 лет назад +4

      Patrick Luft 😂😂😂😂 fuck outta here

    • @sbrown1282
      @sbrown1282 5 лет назад

      They got a band? Who knew?!

    • @isiahmcmahon6455
      @isiahmcmahon6455 5 лет назад

      famu for god sake stop running you might as well run the 50 yard dash let me a cadance and a solo malik will punish yout snare drum line i mean ooooh i play left right and match grip for 50 some years peace

  • @seanc3106
    @seanc3106 5 лет назад

    👎🏿 🤮

  • @wwapd2
    @wwapd2 9 лет назад

    All flash and no substance the 100 is just as bad as SU human Junkbox