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A big reason why found family is so appealing is because the relatability never fails. We don't choose the families we're born into, which unfortunately leaves room for abuse/neglect/tension/general feelings of disconnect. So many of us can't fully connect with our birth families for one reason or another, or we can only connect with a few but struggle with the rest, leaving a longing to be seen. So we search elsewhere, for people who make us feel truly at home. Even for those of us who can genuinely connect with our birth families, it's still important to make friends outside of that family and find new perspectives. There's still a longing there for more people who make us feel seen, more human. To belong. You can have the freedom of choosing a new or second family and home. At the end of the day, no matter your experiences, who doesn't want to see a group of characters connect with each other? It's just so heartwarming.
@sarahcoutts4854 Let me leave you with something my Father once said to me that might resonate with what you're trying to accomplish and will obviously run *very* counter to what this video and thread is trying to say... _'Your friends are only your friends _*_until the chips are down!'_* I'm not going to get into the specifics of why he said that and I am by *no means* a hater of the Found Family trope...but yea, sometimes there are external circumstances in life that can irrevocably drive people apart for good and I think that you're wanting to explore that.
The found family trope always make my heart warm, and I think Owl House did this trope amazingly. With Luz finding Eda and King who can relate and understand her. With Vee finding Camila and Luz who are willing to give Vee a new home and family. And so many other characters like Hunter. But yeah, amazing video!!!
One thing I’d like to see more is found family with positive blood family relationships. I think a lot of the time it’s treated as mutually exclusive, but you can have friends who might as well be family while also having a good relationship with your blood family
At its core, it's about a second chance. Everyone either has a family they like(1), has a family they don't like(2), or doesn't have a family(3). All find hope in the found family. For (1) it's about carrying forward the love you have experienced from your family to nourish the found family. For (2) and (3) it's a second chance at familial empathy that you either never had or that you lost. 1 and 2 both have families, 2 and 3 both lack a loving family, and 1 and 3 compliment each other with security versus freedom.
I love the irony that Jaime Lannister changed for the better (in one of the strongest redemptive arcs I've ever read) but actually received less acceptance on returning, and never found it among another set of characters. It was just so great how Martin played with tropes, and every single time he subverted our expectations is another moment in the history of literary badassery.
I love the found family trope and it’s really in almost every story we encounter. From the anime scenes you showed, One Piece is a good example of a dynamic one that hardly ever loses it. I love to see Zoro and Sanji arguing, I love to see Luffy and Usopp sharing one brain cell lol and it feels so raw and genuine. This can happen even if the characters are the bad guys. For example, the Phantom Troupe from HunterxHunter. A group of murderous thiefs but their interactions and dynamics with each another is just another level. Even they see themselves as a family actually and mourn their deaths- though not in the nicest way. They grew up in a literal dumpster city called the Meteor City without families so they got one another’s back at tough times and they still do. In the manga, the group members decided to split up to find and fight someone, two members said to the leader of the troupe that they are weak so they prefer staying with him. The leader accepted it even though they were the newest members and the leader did not know them so well to develop a bond. Then out of a sudden one of them said that his (referring to their leader) book really resembles to the Death Note of Light Yagami. Then the other member said that she’s been thinking of that for a while. Like- why did this interaction even had to be there? It gladly just did and it is conversations and scenes like this that just PERFECLY SHOW us the real meaning of found families and I go for it! I almost shed a tear writing this btw.
chrollo cares about his troupe and an important reason is he sees them as a part of himself so he breaks down when any of them dies. my mans was in a deep depression when *spoilers*... shalnark and kortopi died. i really hope they will get sweet sweet revenge from hisoka.
Yeah you're exactly right. Sometimes this is an intently story element, while other times it just sort of happens. I would have loved to go into more detail about some of the anime you mentioned, I just am not as familiar or confident in my recall. Berserk is one that comes to mind, however. Thank you for the other examples and for such a detailed response! I really appreciate it!
I think you just made me realize what sets apart the stories that I love and are deeply meaningful to me from the ones that are just great. The former all have found families. The latter may have great characters, sometimes even better than the former, but puts less emphasis on the human connection. Thanks for sharing.
When I started my story I didn't intend for this theme to be part of it. But I'm a pants-er, and as I discovered more about my characters, this just naturally happened. Good to know that people enjoy this type of book. So far everyone I've let read it has cried. I kind of feel like if someone reads it and doesn't cry, I could've done better🤧👀😂
That's great to hear. This is probably one of those themes/tropes that is the most natural. Family of choice sometimes feels like a three-act structure or hero's journey because it is so inherent in its way of telling a compelling story. Thank you for watching and for sharing your experience! Please keep us updated on how your writing is going in the future!
Some great advice here, as usual. The book I'm finally writing has been planned as a found family story for many years. It's a trope that resonates deeply with me, and I will never tire of it. Thanks again for your great content.
That is fantastic. The family of choice trope is one of those that I don't see going anywhere or people getting tired of. Good luck on your book, I'm glad you're writing it!
@wrestlingwithwords thank you so much. You're right about it not going anywhere. It's amazing to think that it's probably been around since the dawn of storytelling.
Exactly! And I think it is responsible for the evolution and growth of a huge number of genres. Just off my head, I think Harry Potter is so popular or at least grew in popularity because of this trope, even though it kinds only played a complementary role. Also, look at Lord of the Rings. The fandom behind it and the influence it played on the high fantasy adventure genre cannot be denied. You can really go down the rabbit hole on this one haha.
@wrestlingwithwords a deep and convoluted rabbit hole 😂. My favourite books and movies are rife with this trope. The Expanse, Firefly, The Matrix. A lot of Terry Pratchett's work. Stephen King, too. I could go on and on.
This is only tangentially related, but the biggest drawback/danger/pitfall I see with the found family trope is when it paints family in a bad light and shows abandoning that family (over differences that do not warrant abandonment) for people your age and who you relate to more strongly as purely a good thing. I see this especially in Young Adult contemporary drama novels. Learning in a family setting, tradition, and the wisdom of generations are sometimes swept under the rug, and parents and grandparents given no 3 dimensionality. If they have any issues with the main character's lifestyle the main character is completely justified in cutting them off, dismissing them as uncaring, and turning to their friends, their "found family" instead. Does that make any sense?
I totally hear you and would say these two competing themes can sometimes mesh together (having both), and can sometimes act as an interesting juxtaposition. If we think about YA audiences and the age group of the characters, it kinda makes sense that a found family is often seen as more desirable than your own. Teenage angst and the desire to be accepted amongst your peers is a very REAL social phenomenon. On the flip side, I do agree that you don't have to scorn your birth family for the sake of a found one. Neither of these tropes or themes are "better" than the other, they just tell a different story. Really great comment! Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
I think I agree that neither trope is inherently better. Just curious, do you have any thoughts on how media presents the typical family? I was talking with my mother and father in law and they mentioned how dads in media are frequently portrayed as bumbling fools, for example. Or how the last 3 or 4 Pixar movies (Luca, Turning Red, Elemental) have all had a very similar plotline of essentially "breaking away from my parent's expectations until they understand that I know best" So I find myself agreeing that the family is being given an unfair treatment in media-- which I find especially worrying in media for young people. I'm a young person myself, in case that's relevant. Additionally, I wonder if that portrayal of the family in media might be influencing the popularity of the found family trope.
That is why I can't stand the concept of found families because even the false advertising has some reality to it. Your family isn't embracing you as perfection incarnate? That's okay, find a bunch of people who will say you are perfect and they are now family.
@@thomasray I think this is most common in individualistic cultures, where family is less important than they are in communal cultures. Since the West is pretty individualistic, it makes sense that our media reflects that in stressing the importance of friends over family.
@@ChildOfTheFlower I think you might want to word your statement. Found family as a concept can extend to the untimely death of family and thus finding a new one, orphanage, and other various concepts. Is it wrong to find solace in others when you have no one left? I very rarely see media portraying this strange 'abandoning family due to a minor/not at all as important reason' as 'Found family', at all. My mother has hundreds of books as an avid collector, and I've read/watched enough movies/seen enough comics to say that this is the first time I'm hearing a complaint like this.
I live the found family trope. We have been through drama and hell, all of us are neurodivergent misfits. We have been together for over 15 years, (some since elementary school) supported each other through depression and debt. It's heartwarming how the bois banded together to help my partner settle in my country so we can live together. It all begins with never taking your friends for granted.
This video really made me realize that’s the reason I love The Walking Dead so much. Yeah it’s about a zombie apocalypse, but my favorite parts are when the characters can come together, be United, create new societies, bonds, friendships. When they work together, not just because they have a common goal, but because they care about their group and protecting each other… that’s human nature
Yes, I think The Walking Dead really nails this theme. Also, considering how different each character is they can come together in a common cause, forming an unlikely family. Thank you for watching and for your comment!
Found family is literally my favorite trope in all of fiction. There’s certainly a reason the manga/anime has been using this trope for such a long time, and honestly it could probably be enough for a whole video. Surprised you didn’t talked about why found family impacts us as consumers so much. Like demographics of dysfunctional families who escape in to these found family tropes.
Thank you for watching and for your comment! I know I can't touch on every aspect of this trope and mostly wanted to approach it from a "writers"/"Creators" angle, as opposed to an audience member's perspective. Thank you again.
I was already impressed with how many of my favorite stories you included in this video, then you had to bring up Red Rising at the end there. I’m working through Light Bringer now and HOOKED. The found family theme is definitely one of the series highlights that keeps me coming back!
I felt like I was doing my best to not just name a million different stories and tried to get (at least a little) specific about a handful. When I was working on the script for this and started doing some of the research it felt like this trope and theme came up OVER and OVER again. Also, yeah. Red Rising is one of the few trilogies where the story and narrative really mature with each installment. Thank you for watching and for your comment :).
Fascinating. I had no idea how strong this trope is in the novel I am writing! The video will help me clarify and stress it, developing into an explicit theme.
I can see why this trope resonates with a lot of people. You made me realize the reason why I love this trope so much as well. TOT I met my best friends online during the pandemic and ever since that catastrophic event, I felt very connected to them and I even consider them to be family! There are days where I tell them that I love them so much and even though we aren't blood-related or several timezones apart from each other, I still see them as my siblings. I hope to one day go on a big trip to see them but in essence, I see where you're coming from. Found family is a wonderful trope and I love writing found family dynamics in my stories ^^
As with becoming a better artist and animator, I also wanted to become a better writer as well. I've had a story similar to that, where one finds himself, but thanks to you, I can make my story a lot better now. You have earned my sub.
I love this writer❤. Whenever I feel down or don't want to write, all it takes is just one video of his to make me get back to writing✨. You're amazing 🎉
The Promised Land with Mads Mikkelson has been my favorite movie since I saw it. A complicated found family is a central theme. Your video helped articulate some of how it had been so impactful. Thank you!
Our ancestors believed in found family too. As we all know. The true saying goes "the Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" Because we can find meaning and love outaide of blood relations, that makes it so special, because theres no "moral" obligation for those people to love you, they just do
Here I feel the need to point out that your phrase is incorrect. This is oddly a point of great internet contention, but I have yet to see an actually 'ancestrally' old citation of your extension, rather all uses of it are from the 1900s and later. But the simple phrase 'blood is thicker than water' does have historical uses and refers to the primacy of family not found family. Sometimes people even claim your extension to be a biblical quote which I have also found no evidence for
@@wrestlingwithwords yess, definitely read it. it's genuinely one of the best books i've ever read & does the found family trope beautifully among a vv diverse & fun cast :)
"You don't have to do everything alone, Harry." -Hermione, Deathly Hallows. A lot of books, especially those with elements of the Hero's Journey, seem to have a Hero who ventures out alone. Often through sacrifice or through embracing their responsibility or simply having their mentors and allies die, they find themselves alone at many parts of the story, especially at the end of the first book or the during the Dark night of the soul/Low point. It is always great to see these heroes embrace their friends and choose to share the burden, as well as the adventure, their hopes, and dreams with others. And it is even more important that they don't go into that dark cave alone. Life is better with friends, and the idea of choosing your family is a big part of what makes these character arcs even better. Almost like they are realizing for the first time that their chosen family Will stick by them to the very end. In my book The Talisman, I base it heavily off the Hero's Journey, and I have my main character Nathan go it alone at the end of the first and second book (albeit for completely different reasons). The end of the second one has him thinking they succeeded, his friends alongside him, only for something to happen to make it all come crashing down and isolate him. But it wasn't until watching this video and reading the comments that I realized an important point I need to emphasize in Book 3. The need for family is in there, and working with others is an important part of how he stops the Big Bad, but this has helped me to see how much better I can make that culmination before the climax. Great video. As much as I like to pretend I know everything, your videos help me to see things in a new light, and for that I am grateful. Wonderful insights.
That Hermione quote is so good... and so true! Thank you for the comment. I also have a lot to learn (we should never think otherwise), but I do love to share some of the things I've picked up and found to be effective and interesting when it comes to story craft. I really appreciate the detail you included. Thank you for watching!
Thank you for deciding to watch! And that's awesome to hear. I think Found Families and Heist plots are such a powerful combo. Keep us posted on how the progress is going!
I'm just now realizing that nearly every single book Stephen King has written has found family as the backbone. And his books have certainly been popular! ❤❤❤
I’ve seen the found family troupe a lot when I was little, mostly watching the Ice Age movies, and I never really got it till I started playing A3! Spring Troupe specifically being the one who plays out the found family troupe the best imo. Love it so much
Thank you for watching and for your comment! I think this trope is one of those we don't really notice until it is pointed out. Then we start to see it (kind of) everywhere.
I stuck in a writing blockade for moths and finally try to climb out one of the biggest holes I’ve ever put myself into. ~I struggle with almost anything beginning with going to much in my head and forgetting about the most important rule: “Just write”. Some videos like this are really healing to me. ~Thank you! ~You have a great style to explain. I really enjoyed this.
I'm so glad this was helpful! Sometimes finding our own system or rhyme is harder than actually writing. Thank you for watching and for your comment, I am glad you've emerged from your blockade!
I always thought that, most of the well done characters in fiction are those that you want to befriend and be part of their stories / adventures despite being fictional. Characters that feel real and humane enough that you can't help but connect with them emotionally. Some media out there focuses way more on tropes or exaggerated traits on characters, while that's not really a bad thing, sometimes they make them feel... kind of fake.
For sure! I think the big take away that even if a trope/story element is popular, it does not guarantee a good story. The part is not greater than whole. Thank you for the comment, I appreciate you!
There are two main problems with this movie: 1. It's the end of a trilogy that was not consistent, specially with their characters. On episode VIII they almost didn't interact! So many changes between movies that make this trio feel not so united as Anakin and Obi-Wan or Luke, Han and Leia. 2. The conflict. Its origin has no sense, at least in the movie. "Somehow, Palpatine returned", Poe's words on the first half of the movie. And if only it was a surprise, a plot twist... But it wasn't! They spoiled it on the yellow credits! So... If the conflict does not stand on its own and there is no surprise... Where is the fun? The returned of a carismàtic secundary character is not enough no make a movie interesting. Good idea to being Lando back, but not enough. Characters were improvable, but plot was unetable. You enjoy the movie? Awesome. Great. U're lucky. Most people don't, so be glad you are able to enjoy it.
As much as I love baldur's gate 3, I always felt like this is where it lacked. Dragon age was sooo good at the found family trope and that's why I kept going back to it, bc they felt like my people. Same with all the other games I like, ffxiv, the witcher, hakuoki. They all make you feel like you belong and this place is home. BG3 seems to be more about finding a lover and maybe a best friend than a group of friends you brave the world against.
I am kinda kicking myself because I as going to reference Dragon Age but ended up cutting it due to time. Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
This is exactly how I felt!! DA2 I think was the best at connecting the characters together and making you feel like they actually care about each other not just because you’re there. I didn’t realize until now how much I gravitate toward the found family trope-it’s definitely why DA2 is my all time favorite game🥲
@@slurpy-f3k I agree! DA2 gets a lot of negative criticism but I feel it also deserves compliments on the writing considering the constraints the game had. Everything felt so intimate in DA2, it was amazing.
I agree 100%! I was very into dragon age, specifically inquisition for years and I felt so close to each of the characters. It does truly feel like a family and I never found myself really having that same feeling with bg3's characters despite how much I love them. I've got 100s of hours in dragon age and have created lots of fan content for it, but I've still yet to finish bg3 and I haven't felt the desire to make anything for it. I wish everyone felt closer and more like a real family in bg3.
Watching this, I started thinking about Baldur's Gate 3, so of course I grinned like an idiot when you showed Karlach - I keep her around as much for the hilarious banter as for her fighting skills!
Great video! I love this trope but it has also always struck me as kind of sad because a found family, despite the name, rarely stays together as a family, especially when the story ends. It's implied that they'll keep in touch, yeah, but it's just not the same when they end up going their separate ways because the togetherness and belonging is what I always liked best about this trope. Eventually they all get married, have kids, and now that's their family. Their kids probably can't relate to them so of course they drift apart and find their own family of choice. Rinse and repeat forever!
I totally agree that 1 plus 1 can equal 3. Two men are better than one; if one falls, the other is there to help him up. Some of the stories I am working on have a few different variations of the found family trope. In one story, my main character is a prince. His best friend is a somewhat average fellow who knows little of what leadership entails. Despite this handicap, the friend remains an important voice to the prince; urging him on to be his best, calling him to accept his eventual role of king, giving him the hard truth that needs to be said. At the same time, the prince helps his friend start to understand the burden of leadership, and recognize his true strength; as the strength of a king is magnified by that of his people. Either character would sacrifice themself for the other; and sometimes a debate occurs when the prince wants it to be him. There is a friend that sticks closer than a brother. In two other tales, my main character gains a friend whom they give assistance to or are assisted by. These side characters are integral to the protagonist's journey and bring out their best. In my grand project, which is still very much in the works, the main characters ARE a family. The two older brothers are very close; and their younger sister has a yearning to accompany them on their adventures. The erstwhile companions have many shared jokes and memories, and the dynamic between them is a recipe for humor. When the darkness begins to make its presence known and the sister begins to realize her true power, one of the brothers is nearly led astray; which leads to multi-level conflict.
Really interesting! Thank you for sharing some information about your projects. I think this goes to show the variety of the family of choice. Thank you for watching!
The solders from Blood Gulch are this. First on opposite sides in a war, then they worked together to help take down a mad man and his wild, scientific, experiments.
😊 great. My historical romance is a South African family saga about lost family but found each other again. Had 5 rejections from US literary agents so I am wondering if it's because it's a S. A. story, because it's really a good story.
Don't be discouraged. 5 rejections isn't as great as it feels. Without reading your story or query letter, it might not be the fact that it's the content of your manuscript, but might just be the way your QL is written. Keep trying. Keep submitting, and analyze what is working and what isn't!
This is simple. Because most of us come from places we suffered a lot, and the family of choice is a concept t hat every human being on this planet can sympathise with. Because, deep inside, we all have always craved it.
Oh boy have you opened a can of worms. In order of appearance: Disco Elysium, Mass Effect, Baulders Gate 3. All three I HIGHLY recommend. Disco Elysium is my favorite game of all time though, it's writing is unmatched. I will do a video on this eventually.
You've recognized a major archetype. This is what Gail Carriger describes as part of or even the goal of the Heroine's Journey. A lot of writers don't like talking about this archetype in depth because for many decades it received abundant harsh academic criticism from and dismissal by the Cult of a Thousand Faces; the Hero's Journey. Thankfully, the Kool-Aid seems to be losing its flavor. Ted Talk ahead; The Hero's Journey idealizes isolation: the protagonist must be ejected from his community, must face his rival alone, and must end the story alone. Relationship must be defeated, abandoned, or merely serves as distraction from the Hero's purpose. Ultimately the Hero must be left changed and isolated or it is considered a deviation from the archetype. Also, optimally; people must die. The old mentor, the WiR love interest, the funny sidekick, Odysseus's entire crew, and especially the antagonist. Bonus points for heroic death. Loyal adherence to Hero's Journey is why Spiderman 2002 rejects MJ and modern DC Film heroes angst and brood. Meanwhile, in the Heroine's Journey is strength in numbers. Every social interaction strengthens the protagonist(s) and ultimately the Heroine finds new family or has her family restored to her. Even if the protagonist wins the day without friends and family physically by her side, their involvement is essential to her victory and the victory itself is often social and life giving in nature. Moana recognizing Te Ka as the hurting Te Fiti or the goddess Isis essentially inventing Egypt as she restores her husband to life. The Heroine's Journey is also flexible enough to be the Heroines' Journey; there doesn't have to be a singular protagonist because isolation is contrary to the archetype. In Black Panther; T'Challa wins a hero's battle with Killmonger but he got there with the help of friends, family, allies, and an affectionate war rhino. T'Challa ultimately chooses the Heroine's Victory by seeing his enemy's value and seeking compromise and connection. Killmonger, meanwhile, exemplified the Hero's Journey and chose the Hero's Death -denying the audience a Redemption Journey sequel for N'Jadoka. Finally, the Heroine's Journey is believable. We are a social species. Almost nothing is accomplished in isolation, so the lone hero doesn't actually happen often. If a history book or film focuses on the 'Lone Hero' it is usually either a tragedy or edited with heavy bias to exclude the contributions of family, friends, colleagues, associates, and most especially minorities. As most of us are family, friends, colleagues, associates, and minorities; we don't like that exclusion.
Really awesome breakdown. I absolutely love looking at archetypes, tropes, literary elements, and writing/storytelling components. People sometimes look at this as over analysis, or even taking the magic away from a creative endeavor but I think this is an infantile way to look at things. And that isn’t meant to be rude or even discouraging to other writers who think this way. Honestly, back in the early throes of my own writing career I thought of writing as this way. But when we start to look at stories this way, it helps us in being more effective at telling them and writing them. Thank you again for the comment and for watching!!
I think this is because women in general have better social dynamics compared to men, in both individual and societal levels. Like, when women go to a spa or cafe or "girls night out", it rarely really about the activity, but always about the community. It's about keeping touch and hanging out. Meanwhile men barely hangout unless it's a much bigger and longer event like going hiking or building something lmao. Now, there might be many reasons for this: That "hero's journey" alludes to this masculine ideal of being a lone-wolf and being able to handle everything the world throws at you alone. And for many men that is reality as nobody, and I do mean NOBODY is going to help them out. They typically have to really seek help and even fight for it sometimes. For women, that is rarely the case unless they are really down bad in the gutters, being homeless drug addict and such. Because random people will be more inclined and likely to help a random woman than a man (that's just society, bottom text). You could also say women will have build those support networks so they will always have help. There's less demand for women to be independent, but it's slowly changing. And a lot of people aren't actually that happy that "strong independent woman" means you need to actually be strong and independent, not just say it like a slogan on a mug. So you might be asking: Why are men not socializing like women are? Especially with other men? This is kinda wacky, but a big reason is that "men's clubs" are seen as "dangerous". Many argue and fear-monger that if men get together, it's a breeding ground for bigotry and future violence. If a man catches up with their mates every week at the bar, most people will condescendingly joke about them being incels or talking about boobs all day, maybe assume they are going around beating gay people or plotting the next insurrection. 99% of the time it's always something negative and you never heard these types of gatherings as being solely positive. There's always some kind of a whataboutism conspiracy that tries to keep men from coming together to form a community. Most assume the worst in men in general. For an understandable reason as men do commit most crimes. A man sitting by a bench near a playground raises red flags in people while a woman doing the same has people sleeping. There's a constant pressure on men to prove that they are indeed not monsters. And they are constantly tested and probed for this with ever-increasing aggression until there's a misunderstanding and people can pile up and destroy you. "We beat the bad guy" everyone cheers... Mix-in queer-baiting where men cannot show any kind of close connection to another man without being called "gay" by conservatives and progressives alike... In fact, I think progressives do it far more to the point they often do it even with brothers, ugh... And we also cannot completely ignore that a lot of women also find that "hero's journey" attractive in a man (it's really more about masculinity so it can even be what you'd want from a butch). But no woman would admit that, because why would you, you know? Makes you look bad and shows that women set and enable toxic standards just like men do with women... That's too polarizing for most people to even think about. Yeah, there are bunch of micro-aggressions that keep men from wanting to socialize like women do. The Hero's journey isn't really an ideal, more than it's relatable. That it's just something you must go through as a man because you are not loved unconditionally and you will probably end up alone without someone seeing the worth in you. The ending of the Hero's journey is the beginning, that now you as a man have hopefully proved yourself to everyone that you are indeed worthy of a family and community. It is a tragedy that ends with an undecided stubborn hope.
This is ironic because men are more lonely on average than they’ve ever been. They’re less likely than women to band together, especially for activities. Unfortunately, men typically can relate to the hero’s journey more. It’s why veterans, who many Americans would call hero’s, tend to suffer in silence. It’s why men now have an increasingly high rate of “game ending.” Can a lot of men do better to fix their lives? Sure. Is this endemic? Yes.
I immediately thought of "supernatural" and a conversation between dean winchester and crowley (and a famous quote from bobby) D: "What is it, huh? Why're you letting mommy dearest tie you into knots?" C: "because we're family. We're blood" *D: "That's not the same thing. A wise man once told me 'Family don't end in blood' but it doesn't start there, either. Family cares about you, not what you can do for them. Family's there; through the good, bad, all of it. They got your back, even when it hurts. That's family!"* (D: "That sound like your mother?")
Yeah, such a good quote. If I've learned anything from making this video and putting it out there, there have been so many missed opportunities with great quotes that sum up this concept. Thank you for watching and for your comment!
My favorite found families: The Fellowship: Lord of the Rings The X Men: Uncanny X Men The Survivors: The Walking Dead The Rebels: Original Star War Trilogy
Read No Home, its all about family dynamics and has complex characters who gain character development and the two main characters have an enemies/roommates to friends(?) relationship. Its so good and im glad its starting to get recognition considering an anime will be made by the people who animated Alien Stage
It’s funny, because when I came across critiques of it, it kind of rocked my world. The trope is actually…kind of horrible. The “family of choice” almost never focused on the actual families left behind. More often than not, the family of choice often arrives from terrible people seeking out persons who will accept them. That’s been subverted to position the terrible people as the good guys actually.
The true test of modern taste 😂… but in all seriousness, I am glad that people have 1 seen it and 2 love it as much as I do because I plan on referencing it in a lot more videos!
I actually dislike this trope to some extent. I think it’s good for people to make the best of the card they are dealt. Friendships are a very different relationship to family. Even deep friendships are different from family. I’m not supper close to my family. We are all relatively private people, but I’d sooner betray a very close friend than allow my real family to be harmed. Maybe that’s not what most people think is noble these days, but I believe family loyalty is a sacred thing. More so than the bond of battle butties.
I think you're talking about your own personal experience and belief (and as a preface, there isn't anything wrong with that). However, we are mostly talking about fiction and characters that we are creating. And even outside of that, friends can very much feel more like family than your actual family. This is a very human experience but does not have to be one that you personally find compelling, interesting, or believable. But as a literary device, it is quite effective! Thank you for your comment and perspective, and for watching!
Sorry, after seeing the Vin Diesel cult chanting "family" my brain got stuck wondering how exactly that scene came together. Like, having the idea is one thing. Pulling that many muscly bald dudes together in a room with Vin Diesel costumes is entirely another. Were all of them already bald, or did some of them shave their heads just for the bit?
Hey man! Got some good nuggets out of this. Thanks for sharing. I like the long form content idea you have here but I felt this video become quite repetitive. I feel like it could benefit from a tighter script and edit. Just an offer. Feel free to ignore! But congrats on the video and thanks again!
Hmm, interesting. Never thought of the found family trope, for me, my favorite is the underdog. Like in LOTR, seeing Frodo taking on the heavy burden of carrying that ring, and how looking at him, you don't think he can do it, but in the end he does. I also like the new kid/ or person being put in a new location, like in the Guardian Of The Galaxy. I'll need to pay attention to found family trope though, it sounds like another trope I'd like.
The reason why found family is such an appealing notion to this generation of viewers is that previous generations were taught that rejecting and undermining your families was a virtue. Now that cohesion is gone, yet the need and want for it is timeless. So we see out vicarious acceptance through imaginary people. Because it’s a lot easier to find solace in a story about elves then question the moral virtues of the current year and risk being undermined and rejected just as swiftly. Funny how that works.
Ok. chapters - check. slow, understandable speech - check. For native speakers, you can change the playback speed in RUclips to shorten the time. Too long and meandering - unfortunately check. You use the term 'extended family' and that is how someone from the States would see it. But elsewhere I think that is just non-contact friendship (so I don't get deleted, again). My experience of friendship and commitment inside and outside the States is very different. For whatever reason, most English language authors are from the States. I think the lack of such friendships in US literature is the locals writing about what they know. The Shawshank Redemption and Forrest Gump are so powerful because they do include such a dynamic. It took a while to get there, but that is what my book is about. Of course, the problem I had to overcome was that writing advice says to take the most dramatic situation. What is the most dramatic relationship? Attraction. But most dramatic does not mean the most moving; it is just clickbait.
I want to know how to organize my thoughts. I Draw, but I can't write for the fact I have stories in my head but it like short stories that might be connected to longer stories how ever it doesn't really have a beginning or and end. I never know how to start my story or even know how to end my story Or where I should end my story. And on top of that the characters I draw have stories of their own that might intersect with other characters I draw and know how it will make sense? I know exactly what is going on in my head but translating that on paper just sounds like I'm going threw a mania episode and nothing makes sense.
Helloooo a randomo on RUclips with a few select counter proofs to your claim about found families being a sweet spot for us western eyes… well, these three fairly eclectic samples may be few, but the story of of returning or reuniting with family has strong ties as well, and (SPOILERS) Uncharted 4, Barbie & the Magic of Pegasus, Star Wars (original trilogy), and (why not) Frozen seems to paint that argument pretty well. Im not saying found family isn’t sweet, bc it definitely is (my favs are LOTR, Harry Potter, and Tolkien’s tea club I forget the name), but perhaps are these place holders for what would be sweetest and most times near impossible? Just a question from a randomo, thanks for the vid!
The "reunion" trope is a powerful one too and sometimes can outshine the "family of choice" but I think there isn't enough variation in it. I'm not wed to the idea that Found Family is the "best", but I think it might be one of the most compelling when it comes to character dynamics in a story. A reunion-type trope seems to be linear and has a clear conclusion. I'm not too sure what you mean by sweet spot or sweetest, but this is a very compelling device to make the audience invested in the characters and in what these characters are doing (plot-wise). I do appreciate the comment and for you sharing your thoughts and perspective! Thank you for watching!
Interesting. When it comes to sitcoms, I’ve always preferred “forced family” ones. Centered around actual families or workplace. People that have to put up with each other.
That is another aspect that is really interesting. Although “forced family” sounds to me like blood family-or an actual family. Although coworkers might seem like a forced family, I think that is still a family of choice-the coworkers don’t have to become friends, but they can choose to be. Either way, it’s still a good point! Thank you for watching and your comment!
Exactly. In part, this is a process we will all go through and can relate to. There are a ton of nuances that go into this process, making the magnitude of stories we can tell nearly unlimited!
For me its subtract TLOU (At least the HBO version) and add in AMC's The Walking Dead. During Season 5 it is probably one of the best examples of found family. You have Tara Chambers (formerly a foe as she attacked the prison with the Govenor) Abraham Ford, Rosita Espinoza, and Eugene Porter (a group of people who came together for the single mission of getting Eugene to Washington D.C. under the false pretence he has a cure for the Wildfire virus) Rick, Glenn, Daryl, Carol and Rick's son Carl and his "daughter" Judith, the OGs of the Atlanta survial group, the only one left from that starting point. Maggie Greene, a farm girl and only one of her family surviving still, Sasha, Noah, and Michonne. Its said best in Season 7 Episode 16. "The decision was made a long time ago, before any of us knew each other, when we were all strangers who would have just passed each other on the street before the world ended. And now we mean everything to each other." I mean there is a reason TWD has cemented itself among the many franchises that come and go. People didn't need to be exactly like the characters outward appearance, they could relate to Rick's stalwart goal for protecting his "family" Abrahams fu'd sense of humor. Michonne's tentative attachment to the rest of them after being so solitary for so long. Glenn's good heart and just wanting to see the best in others. To keep their humanity in a world so bleak. These characters are truly what made me come back to this franchise after being gone since 2017. I think a lot of modern writing is forgetting characters are the heart of any story. Its why fans cosplay them, draw fanart, write fanfiction. I think a lot of writers are fearful to make their character flawed (ala Captain Marvel -.-) but those are the BEST characters. Ones who go through a rebirth ones who fall to temptation. Another one of my favorite episodes of TWD over all is "A.". It shows the 'death' of peaceful farmer Rick and the full rebirth of the warrior. For him to have to do something so savage to save his son. Truly one of the best fathers of fiction imo. Idk, maybe TLOU (HBO) could have had this effect on me if they weren't rushed with the first season Henry and Sam I felt some attachement to, but Tess, Bill, and Frank, really had no deep connections to Joel and Ellie. Sure Episode 3 was lovely and I'm glad it won awards but it was a bottle episode if I ever saw one, reminded me of "Here's not here" from season 6. Sure I enjoy that episode too, but it also made the flow of that season a bit clunky, and unlike TWD they had 16 episodes to tell the story wheras TLOU only had 8. And with the SAG/AFTRA strike I'm sure these 6-8 episodes are here to stay sadly. I did want to say The Bear is one of the best pieces of tv in a LONG time. Glad they got awarded so heavily.
I agree that The Walking Dead is a really good example of this. I think too, this is kinda the point of TWD. However, I was not trying to a This or That between TWD and The Last of Us. The Last of Us just offered a really good example of two characters who are going through a redemption arc/healing, but doing something worse for the sake of that relationship. Thanks for the detailed response! These are all good points!
I think the only good things in TLOU (the game) are things they directly lifted from Léon: The Professional, pretty much the entire relationship between Joel and Ellie comes from there, and Children of Men, pretty much the entire plot comes from there.
@benjamindeharo314 I agree that TLOU takes a lot from Leon The Professional, and that it's overall very generic and cliché. Some would say that it is a common trope and that no story is really new, but there are still stories that are relatively fresh. Léon: The Professional for instance, has a nuanced relationship between an innocent criminal (an interesting contradiction) stuck into childhood and a child that was thrown into adulthood. A mix between a father-daughter relationship, a forbidden love story, a coming of age story for Mathilda AND Léon (because he's actually the child in their relationship), on top of an initiation story. Léon's redemption arc intertwined beautifully with Mathilda's revenge too. How many movies, tv shows, or games can you name that have this ? TLOU on the other hand is just a basic father-daughter relationship like it's been done a billion times (and in its execution, it takes a lot from Léon). When something is that common, it loses its artistic qualities IMO.
I don't think episode 3 deserves any awards, honestly. Is it really stunning and brave to show a gay couple in 2023 ? The L Word aired for the first time in 2004, The Last of Us is 20 years late for that, and The L Word has a much better representation of the lgbt community while being better written. Blue Is the Warmest Color from 2013 is also a better gay love story. Episode 3 is a cheap Brokeback Mountain, and the strawberry scene is cringe.
@@naturerelaxingmusic4961 I don’t think it has to do entirely with representation but instead the acting, writing, and emotional weight of the episode. In a 40-60 min episode there was so much emotional weight and immersion to their love story.
Well, I don't think I said that what he did was wrong, just that it was potentially worse than anything he had done before. Either way, what happened can be considered terrible, but it can also be considered redeemable, making this a very powerful aspect of the game's story.
and here I thought everyone just wanted to be happy My upbringing was pretty lukewarm and even abusive, but I just don't really like other people. I'm very sensitive to disagreement, so I really just want to be left alone to farm quietly with some animals until I die. I don't want a community; they're just going to bother me. 50 acre distance, please. I loved social distancing---yes, stay away from me. Found family isn't my trope, but it is just a human experience. Doesn't everyone do that? My interactions are digital only but I still have them. To be human is to make connections to others, so isn't that all that is? That's why it's popular. That's what human beings... do. We're social animals. I think to write a story and miss that generic experience is kind of a fault of the writer. I even write it without much thought because that is a staple of our species. You can't really write a story about humans without it. Everyone has a friend (in stories, at least, I won't discount an experience of someone who really doesn't have friends or anything). Unless it's an isolated horror piece, I've never read a book that only looks at one or two people with zero interaction with anyone else. It would probably be a super uninteresting tale. I would never write about my life, for instance. That's boring. I don't do anything. There would be no point. A story is meant to be entertaining. How can you entertain a human audience without interpreting the human experience? Human elements also create conflict, which makes the story more interesting, too. I'll complain about repairs after a big storm, but no one cares about that experience because the conflict is unavoidable. Humans create conflict and I think part of the fun is problem-solving, ie not just how to fix the issue but also to wonder how it could've been avoided. You can't avoid nature, really. You can avoid getting into an argument with your buddy, though, but you didn't. Why? That's the story. Everyone ("everyone") experiences it. Of course everyone wants to read about their experience. Books about asexual or autistic people aren't very common or popular because the majority can't relate to the experience, for example. Stories about loners like me almost always have horror elements for why no one should live like that or why everyone should hate that since the majority of people (if I remember some research properly) literally can't survive a life like that. Or loner stories are about bringing the antisocial little freak out of their shell to experience the light of human connection because the majority would feel like that's what someone like me wants deep-down---that's what they themselves want, so obviously everyone does (/s). Paradoxically to all those self-help books about loving yourself, humans are fulfilled by other humans. Most people would curl up and die if they were left truly isolated. But I just want to be happy. I just want to grow strawberries and raise goats. In my experience, other people only ever interfere with my happiness and desires, so I strive for self-sufficiency. The less I need to be outside my property, the better. My situation is not the norm, though, and, again, I'd never write a story about someone like me. It's not a generic-enough experience. Found family is a very generic experience with a lot of flexibility to meet the needs of all types of people. Like a primary color: You can combine it with all kinds of other experiences and make new, vibrant scenarios. -my long-winded take on the matter for algorithm points.
The reason found family is compelling is because it is biologically wired into us. Every biological family is founded on a found family - a man and woman not biologically related get together in order to provide critical genetic spread in their children. We need and seek people who are not "us" naturally. It’s the story of life.
Baldur's Gate 3 is an excellent recent example of a found family. The narrative is structured to reward the player with better content if they embrace the characters in their party. However, you can play the game however you want, including killing off main characters. Letting the player/reader feel they're building that family is profoundly powerful.
Totally! I think BG3 is one of the best, modern, examples of this trope in video games. What is also powerful is the choice, like you said. You can literally kill them all (lol) or make them your family! Thank you for your comment and for watching :).
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A big reason why found family is so appealing is because the relatability never fails. We don't choose the families we're born into, which unfortunately leaves room for abuse/neglect/tension/general feelings of disconnect. So many of us can't fully connect with our birth families for one reason or another, or we can only connect with a few but struggle with the rest, leaving a longing to be seen. So we search elsewhere, for people who make us feel truly at home. Even for those of us who can genuinely connect with our birth families, it's still important to make friends outside of that family and find new perspectives. There's still a longing there for more people who make us feel seen, more human. To belong. You can have the freedom of choosing a new or second family and home.
At the end of the day, no matter your experiences, who doesn't want to see a group of characters connect with each other? It's just so heartwarming.
Absolutely. I very much agree. Thank you for the comment and for watching, I really appreciate it!
@@wrestlingwithwords of course!!!
I'm writing a story about found family betrayal
@@sarahcoutts4854 that sounds so genuinely heartwrenching (i mean that in the best way), good luck on your writing process!!
@sarahcoutts4854 Let me leave you with something my Father once said to me that might resonate with what you're trying to accomplish and will obviously run *very* counter to what this video and thread is trying to say...
_'Your friends are only your friends _*_until the chips are down!'_*
I'm not going to get into the specifics of why he said that and I am by *no means* a hater of the Found Family trope...but yea, sometimes there are external circumstances in life that can irrevocably drive people apart for good and I think that you're wanting to explore that.
LOTR, Princess Mononoke, Avatar, Murberbot... you have the *exact* same taste as me. Great video!
Some of my absolute favorites! Glad to know others enjoy those as well :).
The found family trope always make my heart warm, and I think Owl House did this trope amazingly. With Luz finding Eda and King who can relate and understand her. With Vee finding Camila and Luz who are willing to give Vee a new home and family. And so many other characters like Hunter. But yeah, amazing video!!!
Thank you so much for watching! I really appreciate you!
One thing I’d like to see more is found family with positive blood family relationships. I think a lot of the time it’s treated as mutually exclusive, but you can have friends who might as well be family while also having a good relationship with your blood family
“Gee Luz, how come your author lets you have too positive family relationships”
For sure. And I think for some stories that works really well and is very compelling. Thank you for the comment and for watching!
I'm trying to write my own story and it actually includes found family while still having a good relationship with your blood family. Lol
Sounds boring af
@@graysanddragon to each their own
I'd say the found family trope is also one of the main reasons why D&D is so popular and loved :)
It's a great thing after all
OH YES! This is totally true.
Also, thank you for watching and for your comment!
At its core, it's about a second chance. Everyone either has a family they like(1), has a family they don't like(2), or doesn't have a family(3). All find hope in the found family. For (1) it's about carrying forward the love you have experienced from your family to nourish the found family. For (2) and (3) it's a second chance at familial empathy that you either never had or that you lost. 1 and 2 both have families, 2 and 3 both lack a loving family, and 1 and 3 compliment each other with security versus freedom.
I love the irony that Jaime Lannister changed for the better (in one of the strongest redemptive arcs I've ever read) but actually received less acceptance on returning, and never found it among another set of characters. It was just so great how Martin played with tropes, and every single time he subverted our expectations is another moment in the history of literary badassery.
I totally agree!! The underwhelming nature of that is amazing. I also love when the readers and the characters expectations are totally subverted!
Commenting for the algorithm because you deserve more views/subs.
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You could actually say something of value while you're at it.
I love the found family trope and it’s really in almost every story we encounter. From the anime scenes you showed, One Piece is a good example of a dynamic one that hardly ever loses it. I love to see Zoro and Sanji arguing, I love to see Luffy and Usopp sharing one brain cell lol and it feels so raw and genuine. This can happen even if the characters are the bad guys. For example, the Phantom Troupe from HunterxHunter. A group of murderous thiefs but their interactions and dynamics with each another is just another level. Even they see themselves as a family actually and mourn their deaths- though not in the nicest way. They grew up in a literal dumpster city called the Meteor City without families so they got one another’s back at tough times and they still do. In the manga, the group members decided to split up to find and fight someone, two members said to the leader of the troupe that they are weak so they prefer staying with him. The leader accepted it even though they were the newest members and the leader did not know them so well to develop a bond. Then out of a sudden one of them said that his (referring to their leader) book really resembles to the Death Note of Light Yagami. Then the other member said that she’s been thinking of that for a while. Like- why did this interaction even had to be there? It gladly just did and it is conversations and scenes like this that just PERFECLY SHOW us the real meaning of found families and I go for it! I almost shed a tear writing this btw.
chrollo cares about his troupe and an important reason is he sees them as a part of himself so he breaks down when any of them dies. my mans was in a deep depression when *spoilers*...
shalnark and kortopi died. i really hope they will get sweet sweet revenge from hisoka.
Yeah you're exactly right. Sometimes this is an intently story element, while other times it just sort of happens. I would have loved to go into more detail about some of the anime you mentioned, I just am not as familiar or confident in my recall. Berserk is one that comes to mind, however.
Thank you for the other examples and for such a detailed response! I really appreciate it!
I think you just made me realize what sets apart the stories that I love and are deeply meaningful to me from the ones that are just great. The former all have found families. The latter may have great characters, sometimes even better than the former, but puts less emphasis on the human connection. Thanks for sharing.
It's amazing how stories with found families can resonate so deeply. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching. I really appreciate you!
When I started my story I didn't intend for this theme to be part of it. But I'm a pants-er, and as I discovered more about my characters, this just naturally happened.
Good to know that people enjoy this type of book.
So far everyone I've let read it has cried. I kind of feel like if someone reads it and doesn't cry, I could've done better🤧👀😂
That's great to hear. This is probably one of those themes/tropes that is the most natural. Family of choice sometimes feels like a three-act structure or hero's journey because it is so inherent in its way of telling a compelling story. Thank you for watching and for sharing your experience! Please keep us updated on how your writing is going in the future!
same!! i really wanted them to look out for each other when their blood family couldn't.
Some great advice here, as usual. The book I'm finally writing has been planned as a found family story for many years. It's a trope that resonates deeply with me, and I will never tire of it. Thanks again for your great content.
That is fantastic. The family of choice trope is one of those that I don't see going anywhere or people getting tired of. Good luck on your book, I'm glad you're writing it!
@wrestlingwithwords thank you so much. You're right about it not going anywhere. It's amazing to think that it's probably been around since the dawn of storytelling.
Exactly! And I think it is responsible for the evolution and growth of a huge number of genres. Just off my head, I think Harry Potter is so popular or at least grew in popularity because of this trope, even though it kinds only played a complementary role. Also, look at Lord of the Rings. The fandom behind it and the influence it played on the high fantasy adventure genre cannot be denied. You can really go down the rabbit hole on this one haha.
@wrestlingwithwords a deep and convoluted rabbit hole 😂. My favourite books and movies are rife with this trope. The Expanse, Firefly, The Matrix. A lot of Terry Pratchett's work. Stephen King, too. I could go on and on.
You hit a few of my own favorites already... I'm right there with you!
This is only tangentially related, but the biggest drawback/danger/pitfall I see with the found family trope is when it paints family in a bad light and shows abandoning that family (over differences that do not warrant abandonment) for people your age and who you relate to more strongly as purely a good thing. I see this especially in Young Adult contemporary drama novels.
Learning in a family setting, tradition, and the wisdom of generations are sometimes swept under the rug, and parents and grandparents given no 3 dimensionality. If they have any issues with the main character's lifestyle the main character is completely justified in cutting them off, dismissing them as uncaring, and turning to their friends, their "found family" instead.
Does that make any sense?
I totally hear you and would say these two competing themes can sometimes mesh together (having both), and can sometimes act as an interesting juxtaposition. If we think about YA audiences and the age group of the characters, it kinda makes sense that a found family is often seen as more desirable than your own. Teenage angst and the desire to be accepted amongst your peers is a very REAL social phenomenon.
On the flip side, I do agree that you don't have to scorn your birth family for the sake of a found one. Neither of these tropes or themes are "better" than the other, they just tell a different story.
Really great comment! Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
I think I agree that neither trope is inherently better.
Just curious, do you have any thoughts on how media presents the typical family? I was talking with my mother and father in law and they mentioned how dads in media are frequently portrayed as bumbling fools, for example. Or how the last 3 or 4 Pixar movies (Luca, Turning Red, Elemental) have all had a very similar plotline of essentially "breaking away from my parent's expectations until they understand that I know best"
So I find myself agreeing that the family is being given an unfair treatment in media-- which I find especially worrying in media for young people. I'm a young person myself, in case that's relevant.
Additionally, I wonder if that portrayal of the family in media might be influencing the popularity of the found family trope.
That is why I can't stand the concept of found families because even the false advertising has some reality to it. Your family isn't embracing you as perfection incarnate? That's okay, find a bunch of people who will say you are perfect and they are now family.
@@thomasray I think this is most common in individualistic cultures, where family is less important than they are in communal cultures. Since the West is pretty individualistic, it makes sense that our media reflects that in stressing the importance of friends over family.
@@ChildOfTheFlower I think you might want to word your statement. Found family as a concept can extend to the untimely death of family and thus finding a new one, orphanage, and other various concepts. Is it wrong to find solace in others when you have no one left? I very rarely see media portraying this strange 'abandoning family due to a minor/not at all as important reason' as 'Found family', at all. My mother has hundreds of books as an avid collector, and I've read/watched enough movies/seen enough comics to say that this is the first time I'm hearing a complaint like this.
I love the way you present your videos with your sage advice and comments. It's much appreciated.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm glad you find this helpful. Every time I finish a video, I'm excited to jump back into making another!
I live the found family trope. We have been through drama and hell, all of us are neurodivergent misfits. We have been together for over 15 years, (some since elementary school) supported each other through depression and debt.
It's heartwarming how the bois banded together to help my partner settle in my country so we can live together.
It all begins with never taking your friends for granted.
This video really made me realize that’s the reason I love The Walking Dead so much. Yeah it’s about a zombie apocalypse, but my favorite parts are when the characters can come together, be United, create new societies, bonds, friendships. When they work together, not just because they have a common goal, but because they care about their group and protecting each other… that’s human nature
Yes, I think The Walking Dead really nails this theme. Also, considering how different each character is they can come together in a common cause, forming an unlikely family. Thank you for watching and for your comment!
Same
I like how relaxing this was to listen to, with the music, your calm voice and the images :)
Thank you for saying so and for watching. I really appreciate you!
Found family is literally my favorite trope in all of fiction. There’s certainly a reason the manga/anime has been using this trope for such a long time, and honestly it could probably be enough for a whole video.
Surprised you didn’t talked about why found family impacts us as consumers so much. Like demographics of dysfunctional families who escape in to these found family tropes.
Thank you for watching and for your comment! I know I can't touch on every aspect of this trope and mostly wanted to approach it from a "writers"/"Creators" angle, as opposed to an audience member's perspective. Thank you again.
I was already impressed with how many of my favorite stories you included in this video, then you had to bring up Red Rising at the end there. I’m working through Light Bringer now and HOOKED. The found family theme is definitely one of the series highlights that keeps me coming back!
I felt like I was doing my best to not just name a million different stories and tried to get (at least a little) specific about a handful. When I was working on the script for this and started doing some of the research it felt like this trope and theme came up OVER and OVER again.
Also, yeah. Red Rising is one of the few trilogies where the story and narrative really mature with each installment. Thank you for watching and for your comment :).
Now that you’ve mentioned it, I realize how many of my favorite stories have this trope… 😮
Yep! And you wont stop seeing it either!
Thanks for sharing your insights and perspective. Some awesome story examples in here, too.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching!
Fascinating. I had no idea how strong this trope is in the novel I am writing! The video will help me clarify and stress it, developing into an explicit theme.
So glad to hear this helped you. Thank you for watching and letting me know! Good luck with your novel, and keep us updated on its progress!
I can see why this trope resonates with a lot of people. You made me realize the reason why I love this trope so much as well. TOT I met my best friends online during the pandemic and ever since that catastrophic event, I felt very connected to them and I even consider them to be family! There are days where I tell them that I love them so much and even though we aren't blood-related or several timezones apart from each other, I still see them as my siblings. I hope to one day go on a big trip to see them but in essence, I see where you're coming from.
Found family is a wonderful trope and I love writing found family dynamics in my stories ^^
Agreed! Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your perspective! I appreciate it!
As with becoming a better artist and animator, I also wanted to become a better writer as well. I've had a story similar to that, where one finds himself, but thanks to you, I can make my story a lot better now. You have earned my sub.
I am so glad my video was helpful. I really appreciate you watching and subscribing. Best of luck and keep us updated on your writing!
I love this writer❤. Whenever I feel down or don't want to write, all it takes is just one video of his to make me get back to writing✨. You're amazing 🎉
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm so glad my videos are helpful!
The Promised Land with Mads Mikkelson has been my favorite movie since I saw it. A complicated found family is a central theme. Your video helped articulate some of how it had been so impactful. Thank you!
I’m so glad to hear this was helpful! Thank you for the comment!
Our ancestors believed in found family too. As we all know. The true saying goes "the Blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb"
Because we can find meaning and love outaide of blood relations, that makes it so special, because theres no "moral" obligation for those people to love you, they just do
Here I feel the need to point out that your phrase is incorrect. This is oddly a point of great internet contention, but I have yet to see an actually 'ancestrally' old citation of your extension, rather all uses of it are from the 1900s and later. But the simple phrase 'blood is thicker than water' does have historical uses and refers to the primacy of family not found family. Sometimes people even claim your extension to be a biblical quote which I have also found no evidence for
@@kirenhinds9137no, that is the actual quote. “Blood is thicker than water” is the misquote which means the exact opposite of the original
@@kirenhinds9137 The Bible can suck it anyway
The found family trope made me think of the six of crows as they're found family. Fight and defend each other to the end.
NMNF
Yep! I have't read Six of Crows, but when I was doing my research, this title came up over and over again.
@@wrestlingwithwords yess, definitely read it. it's genuinely one of the best books i've ever read & does the found family trope beautifully among a vv diverse & fun cast :)
I thought of it too haha, tho I only read crooked kingdom, I though it was a stand alone but the same writer of six of crows
"You don't have to do everything alone, Harry."
-Hermione, Deathly Hallows.
A lot of books, especially those with elements of the Hero's Journey, seem to have a Hero who ventures out alone. Often through sacrifice or through embracing their responsibility or simply having their mentors and allies die, they find themselves alone at many parts of the story, especially at the end of the first book or the during the Dark night of the soul/Low point.
It is always great to see these heroes embrace their friends and choose to share the burden, as well as the adventure, their hopes, and dreams with others. And it is even more important that they don't go into that dark cave alone.
Life is better with friends, and the idea of choosing your family is a big part of what makes these character arcs even better. Almost like they are realizing for the first time that their chosen family Will stick by them to the very end.
In my book The Talisman, I base it heavily off the Hero's Journey, and I have my main character Nathan go it alone at the end of the first and second book (albeit for completely different reasons).
The end of the second one has him thinking they succeeded, his friends alongside him, only for something to happen to make it all come crashing down and isolate him.
But it wasn't until watching this video and reading the comments that I realized an important point I need to emphasize in Book 3. The need for family is in there, and working with others is an important part of how he stops the Big Bad, but this has helped me to see how much better I can make that culmination before the climax.
Great video. As much as I like to pretend I know everything, your videos help me to see things in a new light, and for that I am grateful. Wonderful insights.
That Hermione quote is so good... and so true! Thank you for the comment. I also have a lot to learn (we should never think otherwise), but I do love to share some of the things I've picked up and found to be effective and interesting when it comes to story craft.
I really appreciate the detail you included. Thank you for watching!
Clicked in this randomly, and am already in the middle of a found family/heist novel. This really made me happy! Great video man
Thank you for deciding to watch! And that's awesome to hear. I think Found Families and Heist plots are such a powerful combo. Keep us posted on how the progress is going!
@@wrestlingwithwords I definitely will man
My mind went straight to Six of Crows with your description haha
@@SigridStorjern Six of Crows and Guardians of the Galaxy were my two biggest inspirations 🤌
I'm just now realizing that nearly every single book Stephen King has written has found family as the backbone. And his books have certainly been popular! ❤❤❤
I’ve seen the found family troupe a lot when I was little, mostly watching the Ice Age movies, and I never really got it till I started playing A3! Spring Troupe specifically being the one who plays out the found family troupe the best imo. Love it so much
Thank you for watching and for your comment! I think this trope is one of those we don't really notice until it is pointed out. Then we start to see it (kind of) everywhere.
"How grateful I was then
To be part of the mystery
To love and to be loved
Let's just hope that is enough"
- Conor Oberst
Exactly. Thank you for your comment and for watching!
😂 I read ‘misery’ instead of ‘mystery’
I stuck in a writing blockade for moths and finally try to climb out one of the biggest holes I’ve ever put myself into. ~I struggle with almost anything beginning with going to much in my head and forgetting about the most important rule: “Just write”. Some videos like this are really healing to me. ~Thank you!
~You have a great style to explain. I really enjoyed this.
I'm so glad this was helpful! Sometimes finding our own system or rhyme is harder than actually writing. Thank you for watching and for your comment, I am glad you've emerged from your blockade!
Me too. Hell yes!
Don’t thank me if I thank you than I have to thank you more and we’re in a non breakable circle of appreciation.
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I always thought that, most of the well done characters in fiction are those that you want to befriend and be part of their stories / adventures despite being fictional.
Characters that feel real and humane enough that you can't help but connect with them emotionally.
Some media out there focuses way more on tropes or exaggerated traits on characters, while that's not really a bad thing, sometimes they make them feel... kind of fake.
The Rise of Skywalker has this trope, but everyone hates the movie anyway
For sure! I think the big take away that even if a trope/story element is popular, it does not guarantee a good story. The part is not greater than whole.
Thank you for the comment, I appreciate you!
Rightfully so, might I add.
That's because the characters are flat
Not everyone write well. The rise of skywalker failed because it put as much effort into the found family as it did the rest of the movie.
There are two main problems with this movie:
1. It's the end of a trilogy that was not consistent, specially with their characters. On episode VIII they almost didn't interact! So many changes between movies that make this trio feel not so united as Anakin and Obi-Wan or Luke, Han and Leia.
2. The conflict. Its origin has no sense, at least in the movie. "Somehow, Palpatine returned", Poe's words on the first half of the movie. And if only it was a surprise, a plot twist... But it wasn't! They spoiled it on the yellow credits! So... If the conflict does not stand on its own and there is no surprise... Where is the fun? The returned of a carismàtic secundary character is not enough no make a movie interesting. Good idea to being Lando back, but not enough.
Characters were improvable, but plot was unetable.
You enjoy the movie? Awesome. Great. U're lucky. Most people don't, so be glad you are able to enjoy it.
As much as I love baldur's gate 3, I always felt like this is where it lacked. Dragon age was sooo good at the found family trope and that's why I kept going back to it, bc they felt like my people. Same with all the other games I like, ffxiv, the witcher, hakuoki. They all make you feel like you belong and this place is home. BG3 seems to be more about finding a lover and maybe a best friend than a group of friends you brave the world against.
I am kinda kicking myself because I as going to reference Dragon Age but ended up cutting it due to time. Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
This is exactly how I felt!! DA2 I think was the best at connecting the characters together and making you feel like they actually care about each other not just because you’re there. I didn’t realize until now how much I gravitate toward the found family trope-it’s definitely why DA2 is my all time favorite game🥲
@@slurpy-f3k I agree! DA2 gets a lot of negative criticism but I feel it also deserves compliments on the writing considering the constraints the game had. Everything felt so intimate in DA2, it was amazing.
I agree 100%! I was very into dragon age, specifically inquisition for years and I felt so close to each of the characters. It does truly feel like a family and I never found myself really having that same feeling with bg3's characters despite how much I love them. I've got 100s of hours in dragon age and have created lots of fan content for it, but I've still yet to finish bg3 and I haven't felt the desire to make anything for it. I wish everyone felt closer and more like a real family in bg3.
@@gingko_maple I never even got past act 1 in BG3 lol. It made me want the next dragon age even more, it’s great but it’s just not the same 😭
Really good content, man. Keep the good work going!
Thank you so much for your kind words!
Watching this, I started thinking about Baldur's Gate 3, so of course I grinned like an idiot when you showed Karlach - I keep her around as much for the hilarious banter as for her fighting skills!
I'm glad we aligned on that! She is so entertaining and has such a unique personality (also, yes... she is also quite powerful too lol).
Great video! I love this trope but it has also always struck me as kind of sad because a found family, despite the name, rarely stays together as a family, especially when the story ends. It's implied that they'll keep in touch, yeah, but it's just not the same when they end up going their separate ways because the togetherness and belonging is what I always liked best about this trope.
Eventually they all get married, have kids, and now that's their family. Their kids probably can't relate to them so of course they drift apart and find their own family of choice. Rinse and repeat forever!
There is a pang or even a melancholic feeling for sure in this trope. Thank you for your comment and for watching :).
I totally agree that 1 plus 1 can equal 3. Two men are better than one; if one falls, the other is there to help him up.
Some of the stories I am working on have a few different variations of the found family trope.
In one story, my main character is a prince. His best friend is a somewhat average fellow who knows little of what leadership entails. Despite this handicap, the friend remains an important voice to the prince; urging him on to be his best, calling him to accept his eventual role of king, giving him the hard truth that needs to be said. At the same time, the prince helps his friend start to understand the burden of leadership, and recognize his true strength; as the strength of a king is magnified by that of his people. Either character would sacrifice themself for the other; and sometimes a debate occurs when the prince wants it to be him. There is a friend that sticks closer than a brother.
In two other tales, my main character gains a friend whom they give assistance to or are assisted by. These side characters are integral to the protagonist's journey and bring out their best.
In my grand project, which is still very much in the works, the main characters ARE a family. The two older brothers are very close; and their younger sister has a yearning to accompany them on their adventures. The erstwhile companions have many shared jokes and memories, and the dynamic between them is a recipe for humor. When the darkness begins to make its presence known and the sister begins to realize her true power, one of the brothers is nearly led astray; which leads to multi-level conflict.
Really interesting! Thank you for sharing some information about your projects. I think this goes to show the variety of the family of choice. Thank you for watching!
I'm writing a middle grade series now with this exact theme. As a middle grade teacher, it's the biggest struggle my kids have.
The solders from Blood Gulch are this. First on opposite sides in a war, then they worked together to help take down a mad man and his wild, scientific, experiments.
😊 great. My historical romance is a South African family saga about lost family but found each other again. Had 5 rejections from US literary agents so I am wondering if it's because it's a S. A. story, because it's really a good story.
Don't be discouraged. 5 rejections isn't as great as it feels. Without reading your story or query letter, it might not be the fact that it's the content of your manuscript, but might just be the way your QL is written. Keep trying. Keep submitting, and analyze what is working and what isn't!
Thank you, I really like this topic
Glad you liked it!
I was waiting for you to bring up The Mist!
Ahhh, sorry! There are a lot of good stories that I probably didn't bring up... I can't name them all! :)
This is simple. Because most of us come from places we suffered a lot, and the family of choice is a concept t hat every human being on this planet can sympathise with. Because, deep inside, we all have always craved it.
Wish I knew more than about 4 of the clips of movies and games in the background, a lot them look interesting.
Oh boy have you opened a can of worms. In order of appearance: Disco Elysium, Mass Effect, Baulders Gate 3. All three I HIGHLY recommend. Disco Elysium is my favorite game of all time though, it's writing is unmatched. I will do a video on this eventually.
You've recognized a major archetype. This is what Gail Carriger describes as part of or even the goal of the Heroine's Journey.
A lot of writers don't like talking about this archetype in depth because for many decades it received abundant harsh academic criticism from and dismissal by the Cult of a Thousand Faces; the Hero's Journey.
Thankfully, the Kool-Aid seems to be losing its flavor.
Ted Talk ahead;
The Hero's Journey idealizes isolation: the protagonist must be ejected from his community, must face his rival alone, and must end the story alone. Relationship must be defeated, abandoned, or merely serves as distraction from the Hero's purpose. Ultimately the Hero must be left changed and isolated or it is considered a deviation from the archetype. Also, optimally; people must die. The old mentor, the WiR love interest, the funny sidekick, Odysseus's entire crew, and especially the antagonist. Bonus points for heroic death. Loyal adherence to Hero's Journey is why Spiderman 2002 rejects MJ and modern DC Film heroes angst and brood.
Meanwhile, in the Heroine's Journey is strength in numbers. Every social interaction strengthens the protagonist(s) and ultimately the Heroine finds new family or has her family restored to her. Even if the protagonist wins the day without friends and family physically by her side, their involvement is essential to her victory and the victory itself is often social and life giving in nature. Moana recognizing Te Ka as the hurting Te Fiti or the goddess Isis essentially inventing Egypt as she restores her husband to life. The Heroine's Journey is also flexible enough to be the Heroines' Journey; there doesn't have to be a singular protagonist because isolation is contrary to the archetype.
In Black Panther; T'Challa wins a hero's battle with Killmonger but he got there with the help of friends, family, allies, and an affectionate war rhino. T'Challa ultimately chooses the Heroine's Victory by seeing his enemy's value and seeking compromise and connection. Killmonger, meanwhile, exemplified the Hero's Journey and chose the Hero's Death -denying the audience a Redemption Journey sequel for N'Jadoka.
Finally, the Heroine's Journey is believable. We are a social species. Almost nothing is accomplished in isolation, so the lone hero doesn't actually happen often. If a history book or film focuses on the 'Lone Hero' it is usually either a tragedy or edited with heavy bias to exclude the contributions of family, friends, colleagues, associates, and most especially minorities. As most of us are family, friends, colleagues, associates, and minorities; we don't like that exclusion.
Really awesome breakdown. I absolutely love looking at archetypes, tropes, literary elements, and writing/storytelling components. People sometimes look at this as over analysis, or even taking the magic away from a creative endeavor but I think this is an infantile way to look at things. And that isn’t meant to be rude or even discouraging to other writers who think this way. Honestly, back in the early throes of my own writing career I thought of writing as this way. But when we start to look at stories this way, it helps us in being more effective at telling them and writing them.
Thank you again for the comment and for watching!!
I think this is because women in general have better social dynamics compared to men, in both individual and societal levels. Like, when women go to a spa or cafe or "girls night out", it rarely really about the activity, but always about the community. It's about keeping touch and hanging out. Meanwhile men barely hangout unless it's a much bigger and longer event like going hiking or building something lmao. Now, there might be many reasons for this: That "hero's journey" alludes to this masculine ideal of being a lone-wolf and being able to handle everything the world throws at you alone. And for many men that is reality as nobody, and I do mean NOBODY is going to help them out. They typically have to really seek help and even fight for it sometimes.
For women, that is rarely the case unless they are really down bad in the gutters, being homeless drug addict and such. Because random people will be more inclined and likely to help a random woman than a man (that's just society, bottom text). You could also say women will have build those support networks so they will always have help. There's less demand for women to be independent, but it's slowly changing. And a lot of people aren't actually that happy that "strong independent woman" means you need to actually be strong and independent, not just say it like a slogan on a mug.
So you might be asking: Why are men not socializing like women are? Especially with other men?
This is kinda wacky, but a big reason is that "men's clubs" are seen as "dangerous". Many argue and fear-monger that if men get together, it's a breeding ground for bigotry and future violence. If a man catches up with their mates every week at the bar, most people will condescendingly joke about them being incels or talking about boobs all day, maybe assume they are going around beating gay people or plotting the next insurrection. 99% of the time it's always something negative and you never heard these types of gatherings as being solely positive. There's always some kind of a whataboutism conspiracy that tries to keep men from coming together to form a community.
Most assume the worst in men in general. For an understandable reason as men do commit most crimes. A man sitting by a bench near a playground raises red flags in people while a woman doing the same has people sleeping. There's a constant pressure on men to prove that they are indeed not monsters. And they are constantly tested and probed for this with ever-increasing aggression until there's a misunderstanding and people can pile up and destroy you. "We beat the bad guy" everyone cheers...
Mix-in queer-baiting where men cannot show any kind of close connection to another man without being called "gay" by conservatives and progressives alike... In fact, I think progressives do it far more to the point they often do it even with brothers, ugh...
And we also cannot completely ignore that a lot of women also find that "hero's journey" attractive in a man (it's really more about masculinity so it can even be what you'd want from a butch). But no woman would admit that, because why would you, you know? Makes you look bad and shows that women set and enable toxic standards just like men do with women... That's too polarizing for most people to even think about.
Yeah, there are bunch of micro-aggressions that keep men from wanting to socialize like women do. The Hero's journey isn't really an ideal, more than it's relatable. That it's just something you must go through as a man because you are not loved unconditionally and you will probably end up alone without someone seeing the worth in you. The ending of the Hero's journey is the beginning, that now you as a man have hopefully proved yourself to everyone that you are indeed worthy of a family and community. It is a tragedy that ends with an undecided stubborn hope.
DURRRRR MAN BAAADDD WAHMEN GOOOOODDDD
This is ironic because men are more lonely on average than they’ve ever been. They’re less likely than women to band together, especially for activities. Unfortunately, men typically can relate to the hero’s journey more. It’s why veterans, who many Americans would call hero’s, tend to suffer in silence. It’s why men now have an increasingly high rate of “game ending.” Can a lot of men do better to fix their lives? Sure. Is this endemic? Yes.
That’s because humans are sadistic animals who enjoy seeing others suffer one way or another. It is a FACT.
This is excellent information for writers who might be in danger of writing a flat story with flat characters.
Thank you for watching and for saying so!
I currently have 4 detailed story ideas and all of them have the found family trope in it xD It just happens on its own
Not a bad thing! We all have our own obsessions and fingerprints that make our stories ours!
I immediately thought of "supernatural" and a conversation between dean winchester and crowley (and a famous quote from bobby)
D: "What is it, huh? Why're you letting mommy dearest tie you into knots?"
C: "because we're family. We're blood"
*D: "That's not the same thing. A wise man once told me 'Family don't end in blood' but it doesn't start there, either. Family cares about you, not what you can do for them. Family's there; through the good, bad, all of it. They got your back, even when it hurts. That's family!"*
(D: "That sound like your mother?")
Yeah, such a good quote. If I've learned anything from making this video and putting it out there, there have been so many missed opportunities with great quotes that sum up this concept. Thank you for watching and for your comment!
In first min I saw community, red dead , Star Wars, ATLAB, and GOT; already knew he was gonna cook up
Hitting all the highlights! Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it!
@@wrestlingwithwords Np man can’t wait to dive into ur world building vid next, appreciate everything ur doing here
Awesome! I am planning on getting some more out soon. Thank you again for watching, it means a ton.
My favorite found families:
The Fellowship: Lord of the Rings
The X Men: Uncanny X Men
The Survivors: The Walking Dead
The Rebels: Original Star War Trilogy
All amazing stories/films. Good thing I mentioned/alluded to a few!
Dungeons and Dragons, if the people have good dynamics with one another can be an immersive experience of found family trope.
Yes! Also true! Thank you for the comment.
@wrestlingwithwords absolutely, thought of that before you actually brought up role-playing games in the video. Love your stuff!
I really appreciate you saying so! A few people have also brought up D&D, so you are in familiar company.
Love your videos.
@@jaelazanas8433 thank you!
Read No Home, its all about family dynamics and has complex characters who gain character development and the two main characters have an enemies/roommates to friends(?) relationship. Its so good and im glad its starting to get recognition considering an anime will be made by the people who animated Alien Stage
how does this have under a thousand views 😮
Hopefully the algorithm can do its thing 😅😮💨! Thank you for watching!!
It’s funny, because when I came across critiques of it, it kind of rocked my world. The trope is actually…kind of horrible.
The “family of choice” almost never focused on the actual families left behind. More often than not, the family of choice often arrives from terrible people seeking out persons who will accept them. That’s been subverted to position the terrible people as the good guys actually.
@@WhatDoesEvilMean I think that could be a really interesting angle to explore as a theme. Would love to read a subversion of this trope.
I am writing myself a Found Family story, and hopefully I can make characters that the audience love and hate, why not
Liked as SOON as I saw that you watched the Leftovers. I know you're gonna know what you're talking about lol
The true test of modern taste 😂… but in all seriousness, I am glad that people have 1 seen it and 2 love it as much as I do because I plan on referencing it in a lot more videos!
This dynamic works in Eastern storytelling, too. See: Journey to the West.
How about using this trope not for the protagonists, but for the antagonists?
That could be really interesting!
I actually dislike this trope to some extent. I think it’s good for people to make the best of the card they are dealt. Friendships are a very different relationship to family. Even deep friendships are different from family.
I’m not supper close to my family. We are all relatively private people, but I’d sooner betray a very close friend than allow my real family to be harmed.
Maybe that’s not what most people think is noble these days, but I believe family loyalty is a sacred thing. More so than the bond of battle butties.
I think you're talking about your own personal experience and belief (and as a preface, there isn't anything wrong with that). However, we are mostly talking about fiction and characters that we are creating. And even outside of that, friends can very much feel more like family than your actual family. This is a very human experience but does not have to be one that you personally find compelling, interesting, or believable. But as a literary device, it is quite effective! Thank you for your comment and perspective, and for watching!
@@wrestlingwithwords I think you chose a very good name for your RUclips channel.
Thank you for saying so!
WOW Thanks to this video I understood why I was mad *SPOILERS* when The Guardians of the Galaxy split up.
I bet! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
Sorry, after seeing the Vin Diesel cult chanting "family" my brain got stuck wondering how exactly that scene came together. Like, having the idea is one thing. Pulling that many muscly bald dudes together in a room with Vin Diesel costumes is entirely another. Were all of them already bald, or did some of them shave their heads just for the bit?
Hahaha this is the correct question… if they did shave their heads, that is commitment…
Gonna bet half of 'em are ex-military or motorheads.
Hey man! Got some good nuggets out of this. Thanks for sharing. I like the long form content idea you have here but I felt this video become quite repetitive. I feel like it could benefit from a tighter script and edit. Just an offer. Feel free to ignore! But congrats on the video and thanks again!
Hmm, interesting. Never thought of the found family trope, for me, my favorite is the underdog. Like in LOTR, seeing Frodo taking on the heavy burden of carrying that ring, and how looking at him, you don't think he can do it, but in the end he does. I also like the new kid/ or person being put in a new location, like in the Guardian Of The Galaxy. I'll need to pay attention to found family trope though, it sounds like another trope I'd like.
@@RDCoziness the underdog is a really compelling in too! Thank you for the comment and for watching!
My struggle is letting go. I'm sitting on two debuts now, and fighting the urge to write a third.
That can be tough. Perhaps you can work on those other books in other ways (editing, submissions...) while you start your third.
The reason why found family is such an appealing notion to this generation of viewers is that previous generations were taught that rejecting and undermining your families was a virtue. Now that cohesion is gone, yet the need and want for it is timeless. So we see out vicarious acceptance through imaginary people. Because it’s a lot easier to find solace in a story about elves then question the moral virtues of the current year and risk being undermined and rejected just as swiftly. Funny how that works.
Basically finding ur community after identifying yourself. No wonder every adventure starts that way.
If anyone from Les Mis fandom is reading these comments, I am sure you know why I've liked this video on so many levels
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Who would have thought that the muscle jock from your highschool will be teaching you creative writing 😅
What a time to be alive! Haha, thanks for watching :).
It's the Plato effect.
Ok. chapters - check. slow, understandable speech - check. For native speakers, you can change the playback speed in RUclips to shorten the time. Too long and meandering - unfortunately check.
You use the term 'extended family' and that is how someone from the States would see it. But elsewhere I think that is just non-contact friendship (so I don't get deleted, again). My experience of friendship and commitment inside and outside the States is very different. For whatever reason, most English language authors are from the States. I think the lack of such friendships in US literature is the locals writing about what they know. The Shawshank Redemption and Forrest Gump are so powerful because they do include such a dynamic. It took a while to get there, but that is what my book is about. Of course, the problem I had to overcome was that writing advice says to take the most dramatic situation. What is the most dramatic relationship? Attraction. But most dramatic does not mean the most moving; it is just clickbait.
The Rise of Skywalker is arguably one of the worst examples of how the theme of family choice has been (not) developed.'
It’s funny, I’ve not seen that yet. I’ll have to watch it and see what you mean.
You definitely deserve more subs lol
Trying to just put out the best and most useful content I can make :)
Might consider PTA most of the movies
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I want to know how to organize my thoughts.
I Draw, but I can't write for the fact
I have stories in my head but it like short stories that might be connected to longer stories how ever it doesn't really have a beginning or and end.
I never know how to start my story or even know how to end my story
Or where I should end my story.
And on top of that the characters I draw have stories of their own that might intersect with other characters I draw and know how it will make sense?
I know exactly what is going on in my head but translating that on paper just sounds like I'm going threw a mania episode and nothing makes sense.
Guardians of the Galaxy did this perfectly. While the Suicide squad (2016) did it poorly.
That is a perfect example of what not to do!
Helloooo a randomo on RUclips with a few select counter proofs to your claim about found families being a sweet spot for us western eyes…
well, these three fairly eclectic samples may be few, but the story of of returning or reuniting with family has strong ties as well, and (SPOILERS) Uncharted 4, Barbie & the Magic of Pegasus, Star Wars (original trilogy), and (why not) Frozen seems to paint that argument pretty well.
Im not saying found family isn’t sweet, bc it definitely is (my favs are LOTR, Harry Potter, and Tolkien’s tea club I forget the name), but perhaps are these place holders for what would be sweetest and most times near impossible? Just a question from a randomo, thanks for the vid!
The "reunion" trope is a powerful one too and sometimes can outshine the "family of choice" but I think there isn't enough variation in it. I'm not wed to the idea that Found Family is the "best", but I think it might be one of the most compelling when it comes to character dynamics in a story. A reunion-type trope seems to be linear and has a clear conclusion.
I'm not too sure what you mean by sweet spot or sweetest, but this is a very compelling device to make the audience invested in the characters and in what these characters are doing (plot-wise). I do appreciate the comment and for you sharing your thoughts and perspective! Thank you for watching!
@@wrestlingwithwords thank you!
I had to scroll to the comments ad just listen cause I'm terrified you're gonna show a spoiler for RDR2 and I'd flip out lol
Hahahaha That would have been awful of me. Rest assured, no spoilers here.
Interesting. When it comes to sitcoms, I’ve always preferred “forced family” ones. Centered around actual families or workplace. People that have to put up with each other.
That is another aspect that is really interesting. Although “forced family” sounds to me like blood family-or an actual family. Although coworkers might seem like a forced family, I think that is still a family of choice-the coworkers don’t have to become friends, but they can choose to be.
Either way, it’s still a good point! Thank you for watching and your comment!
Clicking that thumbnail: Gerald? 👀
He of Rivia!! 🙃
Probably why spy x family is so>>>💕
Yes, I am sure this plays a huge part in that as well!
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When you're a child, you don't get to choose your family.
You become an adult when you choose your family.
Exactly. In part, this is a process we will all go through and can relate to. There are a ton of nuances that go into this process, making the magnitude of stories we can tell nearly unlimited!
My two cents on the subject: Breakfast Club.
True. That is a great example too.
For me its subtract TLOU (At least the HBO version) and add in AMC's The Walking Dead.
During Season 5 it is probably one of the best examples of found family. You have Tara Chambers (formerly a foe as she attacked the prison with the Govenor) Abraham Ford, Rosita Espinoza, and Eugene Porter (a group of people who came together for the single mission of getting Eugene to Washington D.C. under the false pretence he has a cure for the Wildfire virus) Rick, Glenn, Daryl, Carol and Rick's son Carl and his "daughter" Judith, the OGs of the Atlanta survial group, the only one left from that starting point. Maggie Greene, a farm girl and only one of her family surviving still, Sasha, Noah, and Michonne.
Its said best in Season 7 Episode 16.
"The decision was made a long time ago, before any of us knew each other, when we were all strangers who would have just passed each other on the street before the world ended. And now we mean everything to each other."
I mean there is a reason TWD has cemented itself among the many franchises that come and go. People didn't need to be exactly like the characters outward appearance, they could relate to Rick's stalwart goal for protecting his "family" Abrahams fu'd sense of humor. Michonne's tentative attachment to the rest of them after being so solitary for so long. Glenn's good heart and just wanting to see the best in others. To keep their humanity in a world so bleak.
These characters are truly what made me come back to this franchise after being gone since 2017. I think a lot of modern writing is forgetting characters are the heart of any story. Its why fans cosplay them, draw fanart, write fanfiction. I think a lot of writers are fearful to make their character flawed (ala Captain Marvel -.-) but those are the BEST characters. Ones who go through a rebirth ones who fall to temptation.
Another one of my favorite episodes of TWD over all is "A.". It shows the 'death' of peaceful farmer Rick and the full rebirth of the warrior. For him to have to do something so savage to save his son. Truly one of the best fathers of fiction imo.
Idk, maybe TLOU (HBO) could have had this effect on me if they weren't rushed with the first season Henry and Sam I felt some attachement to, but Tess, Bill, and Frank, really had no deep connections to Joel and Ellie. Sure Episode 3 was lovely and I'm glad it won awards but it was a bottle episode if I ever saw one, reminded me of "Here's not here" from season 6. Sure I enjoy that episode too, but it also made the flow of that season a bit clunky, and unlike TWD they had 16 episodes to tell the story wheras TLOU only had 8. And with the SAG/AFTRA strike I'm sure these 6-8 episodes are here to stay sadly. I did want to say The Bear is one of the best pieces of tv in a LONG time. Glad they got awarded so heavily.
I agree that The Walking Dead is a really good example of this. I think too, this is kinda the point of TWD. However, I was not trying to a This or That between TWD and The Last of Us. The Last of Us just offered a really good example of two characters who are going through a redemption arc/healing, but doing something worse for the sake of that relationship. Thanks for the detailed response! These are all good points!
I think the only good things in TLOU (the game) are things they directly lifted from Léon: The Professional, pretty much the entire relationship between Joel and Ellie comes from there, and Children of Men, pretty much the entire plot comes from there.
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I agree that TLOU takes a lot from Leon The Professional, and that it's overall very generic and cliché.
Some would say that it is a common trope and that no story is really new, but there are still stories that are relatively fresh.
Léon: The Professional for instance, has a nuanced relationship between an innocent criminal (an interesting contradiction) stuck into childhood and a child that was thrown into adulthood.
A mix between a father-daughter relationship, a forbidden love story, a coming of age story for Mathilda AND Léon (because he's actually the child in their relationship), on top of an initiation story.
Léon's redemption arc intertwined beautifully with Mathilda's revenge too.
How many movies, tv shows, or games can you name that have this ?
TLOU on the other hand is just a basic father-daughter relationship like it's been done a billion times (and in its execution, it takes a lot from Léon).
When something is that common, it loses its artistic qualities IMO.
I don't think episode 3 deserves any awards, honestly.
Is it really stunning and brave to show a gay couple in 2023 ?
The L Word aired for the first time in 2004, The Last of Us is 20 years late for that, and The L Word has a much better representation of the lgbt community while being better written.
Blue Is the Warmest Color from 2013 is also a better gay love story.
Episode 3 is a cheap Brokeback Mountain, and the strawberry scene is cringe.
@@naturerelaxingmusic4961 I don’t think it has to do entirely with representation but instead the acting, writing, and emotional weight of the episode. In a 40-60 min episode there was so much emotional weight and immersion to their love story.
12:15 I was with you in this video until that moment, Joel did nothing wrong imo.
Well, I don't think I said that what he did was wrong, just that it was potentially worse than anything he had done before. Either way, what happened can be considered terrible, but it can also be considered redeemable, making this a very powerful aspect of the game's story.
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and here I thought everyone just wanted to be happy
My upbringing was pretty lukewarm and even abusive, but I just don't really like other people. I'm very sensitive to disagreement, so I really just want to be left alone to farm quietly with some animals until I die. I don't want a community; they're just going to bother me. 50 acre distance, please. I loved social distancing---yes, stay away from me. Found family isn't my trope, but it is just a human experience. Doesn't everyone do that?
My interactions are digital only but I still have them. To be human is to make connections to others, so isn't that all that is? That's why it's popular. That's what human beings... do. We're social animals. I think to write a story and miss that generic experience is kind of a fault of the writer. I even write it without much thought because that is a staple of our species. You can't really write a story about humans without it. Everyone has a friend (in stories, at least, I won't discount an experience of someone who really doesn't have friends or anything). Unless it's an isolated horror piece, I've never read a book that only looks at one or two people with zero interaction with anyone else. It would probably be a super uninteresting tale. I would never write about my life, for instance. That's boring. I don't do anything. There would be no point. A story is meant to be entertaining. How can you entertain a human audience without interpreting the human experience?
Human elements also create conflict, which makes the story more interesting, too. I'll complain about repairs after a big storm, but no one cares about that experience because the conflict is unavoidable. Humans create conflict and I think part of the fun is problem-solving, ie not just how to fix the issue but also to wonder how it could've been avoided. You can't avoid nature, really. You can avoid getting into an argument with your buddy, though, but you didn't. Why? That's the story. Everyone ("everyone") experiences it. Of course everyone wants to read about their experience.
Books about asexual or autistic people aren't very common or popular because the majority can't relate to the experience, for example. Stories about loners like me almost always have horror elements for why no one should live like that or why everyone should hate that since the majority of people (if I remember some research properly) literally can't survive a life like that. Or loner stories are about bringing the antisocial little freak out of their shell to experience the light of human connection because the majority would feel like that's what someone like me wants deep-down---that's what they themselves want, so obviously everyone does (/s). Paradoxically to all those self-help books about loving yourself, humans are fulfilled by other humans. Most people would curl up and die if they were left truly isolated.
But I just want to be happy. I just want to grow strawberries and raise goats. In my experience, other people only ever interfere with my happiness and desires, so I strive for self-sufficiency. The less I need to be outside my property, the better. My situation is not the norm, though, and, again, I'd never write a story about someone like me. It's not a generic-enough experience. Found family is a very generic experience with a lot of flexibility to meet the needs of all types of people. Like a primary color: You can combine it with all kinds of other experiences and make new, vibrant scenarios.
-my long-winded take on the matter for algorithm points.
I totally get where you're coming from. And what a wonderful comparison to colors. Thank you for sharing and for watching.
The reason found family is compelling is because it is biologically wired into us. Every biological family is founded on a found family - a man and woman not biologically related get together in order to provide critical genetic spread in their children. We need and seek people who are not "us" naturally. It’s the story of life.
Baldur's Gate 3 is an excellent recent example of a found family. The narrative is structured to reward the player with better content if they embrace the characters in their party. However, you can play the game however you want, including killing off main characters. Letting the player/reader feel they're building that family is profoundly powerful.
Totally! I think BG3 is one of the best, modern, examples of this trope in video games. What is also powerful is the choice, like you said. You can literally kill them all (lol) or make them your family! Thank you for your comment and for watching :).
“Found family” = instantly think of GOTG
They are one of the best examples!
This video is missing clips from Arcane and The Mandalorian 😢
ALSO TRUE! Missed opportunity 😭
Something, something the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.
Missed opportunity to include this quote.... But yeah!
"And give us this day our Daily Bread..."
I'm thinking too belonging
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