I like the koopalings even when their presence in Mario games gets repetitive. These are some great ideas. However, if Roy were to use his bill blaster cannon in a boss fight, then I think he should be the boss of Petal Isles. Or more specifically, the last line of defense before taking on Castle Bowser because it wasn’t until those last couple of levels when all the bullet bills had appeared to establish their gimmicks.
I honestly never got bored of the Koopalings. I think they have been some great boss fights and their previous mechanics combined with the Wonder Flower could have lead to some incredible boss fights
As a huge Koopalings fan , I really enjoyed what you come up with if they were in Super Mario Bros. WONDER. It certainly captures their traits and their personality.
Really happy to see a fellow Koopaling fan! Bosses really were the low light of Mario Wonder. I guess they took the critique "Koopalings are repetetive" too strong, and removed them completely. Even tho they could've been mega cool if they all got new powers in this game, and utilize Wonder's many transformations like in your concept here!
"The koopaling battles are too repetitive!" "Alright, we'll get rid of them" "Woo- wait, who's their replacement?" "Replacement? That wasn't part of the deal"
While we're at it, why not also give Kamek a proper boss fight too? Imagine him channeling the power of the Wonder Flowers in his wand and sending tons of different Wonder Effects to hinder you...
I personally believe that without kamek Bowser would not have been able to control the wonder power like he did. Seeing as the wonder effect is unpredictable there is no way he could've guaranteed becoming what he did and having control over it. Not without a smart master of magic like kamek to somehow control what the wonder power did.
People: We do not want Koopalings! Devs: Wish granted. Mario Wonder: *only has Bowser Jr., WHATEVER THAT DUMB EASY ROBOT BOWSER BOSS IN THE AIRSHIPS, and Bowser. Not even Kamek had a chance to shine.* People: No, this is not what we meant! We wanted original bosses, not just Jr. and Bowser, and that easy robot Bowser in the airship!
It’s funny how everyone was like “it better not just be the Koopalings again!” before the game came out, but now everyone is saying “I wish the Koopalings were there and not just Bowser Jr.!”
I love the Koopalings. Their problem was always that they never had their full potential explored with their bosses. I feel like Wonder could've brought it out finally.
@@LCharles34even more weirder the bosses that they do have are not even designed to differently from past games (they could’ve went nuts with bowser jr variations)
I actually think these ideas are really cool! I like idea of having to chase after some of Koopalings or having to go through maze while dodging them and I'm actually kinda suprised that the boss fights in Super Mario Bros Wonder weren't as fleshed out as the most of the other Wonder effects sections that are in rest of the game
I had this exact same idea Here is what I had. World 1 you fight Morton First. With the size manipulation as his wonder gimmick. World 2 you fight Larry Koopa, with the platform gimmick. World 3, Roy Koopa is fought, and he fights you in an arena, where his duel has you tackling him with different character transformations. World 4 is Wendy. (The water arena fits her perfectly.) World 5 you fight Iggy Koopa. He uses Wonder transformations that makes his battle more of an escape type thing. You have to avoid his attacks until you can damage him. World 6 is Ludwig. (Ludwig uses the cloning, and making everything dark as his gimmick. Added with multiple projectiles and his ability to levitate or flutter jump, would make him a major threat. World Bowser would have Lemmy as the final Koopaling. As the koopaling who is a circus fan, he goes ahead and has exclusive wonder effects that make him have an effect on his movement. (so jet, spring, and invisible) He would also be fought right before you fight Bowser's Level. It would be as if he is the last line of defense from you stopping Bowser. You would also fight the Bowser castle itself in a style similar to Newers final boss fight. Defeating castle Bowser would leave it open for you to tackle the final world. Now for Kamek... his 3 Airship appearances would now be turned into Boss fights. You'd fight Kamek himself in the airship right before you do the whole Bowser button section. Defeating him would leave it open for you to destroy it. So you have to defeat Kamek before you destroy the airship. Bowser Junior would be the tower boss in the main 6 worlds. Getting stronger and maybe even using wonder effects of his own. In the special world, you'd get a special Bowser Junior Boss fight where he uses all wonder effects and power-ups to try and stop you. leading to a secret final battle.
I've always loved the kooplings, no matter what! They would've been PERFECT in this game with all the wonder possibilities! Even if there were only 4 palaces still, they could have two kooplings each, and then Ludwig would be in the final Bowser area!
I think all your ideas were amazing, maybe the devs will see this video and take more time with the bosses, I think it would have been so cool if we got a boss dedicated to that weird dark cosmic energy, the stuff where that mario clone appears during like 2 wonder events in the game, I just feel like it hasn't been used in the game that much
They definitely felt like they were meant to be in. But sadly, they warned like they would have had crazy things. Like I really wanted them in really badly
I second this, new original bosses would make the game feel even more fresh and new, adding the koopalings would’ve taken it a step back to the NSMB era which is likely what Nintendo was trying to avoid.
@@VolcanoFarts15no the koopalings have been around for a while now, they’ve been here since the golden era with the original super Mario games on the NES
Ludwig would be super cool if he played the organ, that is firing out flaimng pirrhana plant notes and he would ochestate the singing pirrhana plants, spike dancer, dancing ninjies and singing boos+ king boos would have been amazing. You could hurt him either when his organ jams and he flys from the background to the foreground.
I absolutely miss the Koopalings now. Here are my ideas! Larry: (my personal favorite) A battle were he masters the water elements and makes them come alive, no, not something lame like Bowser jrs water fight. Wendy: a ballerina dance fight. She uses a mirror to shoot evil hearts at you occasionally. Iggy: a scientific potions fight. Iggy is the craziest of the bunch, and can boil up potions that erupt like volcanoes. Roy: he owns a bright purple car now, and it plays hard rock. A music fight. Morton: a strength related fight we’re you each acquire a magic hammer and break through pillars to get to each other. Lemmy: a circus performance fight. You know it would work. Ludwig: a fight were he plays a piano summoning evil music notes with teeth that try and attack you. Those are my ideas!
I thought of a boss battle idea for Morton, in which he gets extremely large. When he stomps, it stuns you, but when he ground pounds, it makes the bottom platforms go upwards, similar to his castle fight in Nsmbw, albeit faster and all the platforms one after the other. At certain points, he will do a series of jumps, and at the end, if you time it correctly, you can do a super bounce that lands on his head, incorporating the effects of the platforms in the Bowser boss fight.
I agree. The bosses is where this game dropped the ball. And if they did an expansion/DLC (which I think they should, even if there's some kind of philosophy that says they shouldn't), that should definitely have more, better, and more varied bosses. Maybe even Kamek says "Bowser and Bowser Junior were hoping to do this as a father and son bonding event. But sadly, someone had to wreck this triumph, so we've had no choice but to bring a few heavy hitters back. You shall pay for this right now!"
I rlly wished the koopalings were the bosses in the palaces and bowser jr were a miniboss in a tower and they all have this cool wonder look like bowser jr, dang this would have changed the game 😕
Here is an idea where we can have Bowser Jr. as a boss. Maybe he can be the boss at the end of every Battleship instead of the Robot Bowser thing. This is what Jr. does in NSMBWII and in NSMBU where he is the boss in the airships.
I didn't really mind the bosses being just Junior. The Bosses just weren't really the focus of this game, the Devs were just more focused on the Wonder Events than the Boss Battles. Maybe if they see that we miss the Koopalings, they could maybe bring them back for a Mario Wonder 2. Or whatever the next Mario game is.
The problem with the Koopalings Imo is that they don't really do anything outside the spin-offs. If Bowser can constantly have different forms and appearances, why not the Koopalings.
It’s honestly not even about the koopalings. I think it’s more to do with just not having fleshed out boss battles with unique gimmicks. People originally complained about the koopalings because they were more or less the same mechanic-wise
I dont get why they weren't in this game, if anything they made bosses interesting since they all play differently (there's also seven of them, which is the same amount of wonder seeds)
My time has come, I made a google doc with this premise the Koopalings plus Kamek. They are not in order and in addition they are the least plausible type of boss fights. How I made these fights I chose the last time we saw the Koopalings in a 2d game based on that so for example I watched a video on all of wendy's boss fights and one of them had her ice skating so that's the context for her fight Ludvig Von Koopas After knocking him out we’re about to grab the royal seed, when he comes back for an encore riding a boo and he grabs the seed merging with the boo turning into Ludvig Von Boo. Now to be fair and honest this is just a repeat of the boo opera level with Ludvig just throwing boos at you until you get to a button that turns on light immediately defusing the two. Lemmy Koopa After knocking him down he gets wonderfied and we enter the Hoppo wonder effect where the ceiling and floor is lava. Lemmy will throw some conjured Hoppos at you trying to knock you into the lava, now even if you don’t have the elephant power up you can knock the hoppos back at him to do the same thing Roy Koopa After knocking him down he gets wonderfied and enters the ground as he’s merged with the drill power up, but wait that’s not all as he also has the Seeker Bullet Bills. Now it’s obvi that you can’t jump on him because he has the drill hat and while you can beat him with the elephant fruit, fire flower and even the drill your supposed to use the seeker bill to hit him when he comes out the ground Iggy Koopa Now to those reading this, as the lankiest member of the Koopa, most would think to choose the stretch wonder effect, but you would be wrong. After knocking him down the lanky koopa he gets wonderfied and he is now riding on a cloud made of gnashers. Wendy O. Koopa After defeating her she gets wonderfied and we get a unique wonder effect. Teaming up with the ice kicking Outmaways, Wendy can ice skate onto the blocks. Obviously you just have to jump on her head to defeat her, but the aforementioned ice block might make this task difficult as they easily spell your doom. Morton Koopa Jr. After knocking him down he gets wonderfied. Morton disappears then holes in the walls open up and we hear the familiar sound of a bullrush stampede and riding on top of them is Morton. Now the Bullrushes will exit one hole and enter the hole perpendicular to the exit while Morton throw magic or something at you and just for the record the room were in is three platforms. Now all we got to do is jump on mortons head while not being trampled by the stampede Larry Koopa After knocking him down he gets wonderfied kind of. To reiterate context I looked at the koopalings boss fights from other games the exception being Ludvigs and Morton and matched them with an appropriate wonder effect, but with Larry he got nothing interesting. That being said, for Larry wonder fight, a combination of living pipes and light bridges happen. Kamek After knocking him down he gets wonderfied sort of. Yes Kamek gets a wonder form, but it is more of the stage and player changes. Everytime Kamek gets hit he changes the wonder event happening in the boss fight. Its start off with the slow down and speed up wonder event then after you hit him he changes the wonder event into the falling pipe wonder event. After you hit him again he turn you into a goomba in tandem with the living pipe wonder effect.
usually for me the third most important factor for a game is the bosses so i was pretty dissapointed to see that only 2 bosses were actually somewhat decent
I think if the koopalings were to come back, they would work with some sort of new mechanic, like Larry could have Petey piranha with him and Roy could have the unused clow car launcher (For anyone who doesn't know the game had some unused bossfights and one of them was a koopa clown car with a bullet launcher)
What I think they should’ve done: Koopalings as tower bosses And then the main boss of every world can be an actual original boss(of course, including Bowser Jr.) We could’ve had Petey Piranha, Boom Boom, even King Bob-bomb if we wanted!
Honestly that would be SUPER interesting I like the fact that we need to make them more unique With their special ability it way better than we actually have Really good job 👍
I miss haunted houses for once. When i discovered that there was like 1 (one) ghost house level i got pretty disapointed, honestly. This and the bosses could've been better.
Larry's done a few more things elsewhere. I like to often think, since he was a former leader for the group. I vaguely recall him doing some stealth such before, which works well with that. So, what if Larry was a stealth focus, to compensate for being physically weak compared to the rest of the koopalings?
The Wonder effects for Boss Battles NEED correspond with the rest of the World. It wouldn't make sense to have the Jelly Blob transformation in the first world. W1 Pipe-Rock Plateau: Lemmy will be a basic boss battle starting with Moving Pipes. Then he'll summon Singing Piranhas from the pipes. Finally the pipes will spawn a bunch of Hoppos. Using goofy Lemmy is perfect for the the early goofy Wonder effects. W2 Fluffpuff Peaks: Larry will summons a climbable tower of Pole Blocks, and after each hit, you'll free fall down to the ground as he attacks you. W3 Shining Falls: Ludwig, the clever one, will turn Mario into a Hoppycat and send Giant Hoppycats to attack. W4 Sunbaked Desert: Wendy steals all the water for a personal spa will angrily send you to the dungeon at the BEGGINING of the level. The level itself is a more puzzle-like maze to get through like the Color-Switch palace and the Shova Mansion. All the wonder effects make traps, as well as fire Wendy's signature rings. The final phase is being chased by a giant boulder WHILE turned into a spiked ball. The giant spike boulder will actually crash through the castle, freeing all the water from the castle. W5 Fungi Mines: Roy, the Bully that he is kidnapped the miners. The entire level will play similarly to the Poison Ruins mixed with an enemy gauntlet, each gauntlet has a kidnapped Popplin. W6 Deep Magma Bog: Iggy will befriend an evil version of the Bone Dragon and you'll have a Boss Fight while the dragons you stand on dip in and out of lava. Iggy tends to like using monsters to fight for him. Hub Petal Isles (Fightable after exploring all of the Petal Isles): This will be a GOOMBA Boss fight. Morton will spend the whole auto scroller trying to Smash you or send waves of Munchers and Maw-Maws. Using Morton here cuz he's the fat one lol. W7 Bowser's Castle: Bowser Jr. basically does the Bullet Bill launcher battle you said in the video. He does it from his new Wonder-fied Clown Car.
This is where koopalings should be, koopalings + wonder flower could be interesting, but only as a hard mode, so the first koopaling doesn't bore people out
Lemmy and Iggy are probably the most obvious ones, just giant balls and a giant chain chomp personally would put Lemmy in world 1 because hoppos are very similar to his bouncy balls, Wendy in world 4 because of her usual water theming, and Roy in the Petal isles since all 3 new Bullet Bill types are introduced there
Some ideas I had thought of was: Maybe Iggy's Boss fight wiuld have him turn into a hoppycat mid-way, then he would jump high and try to meteor towards the player. Or maybe their hoppycat form could latch onto walls, floor and the ceiling, and ricoche erraticaly to catch the player off guard. Another idea would of been for one of the koopalings to have a spikeball form mid-battle, they would roll around the stage, maybe the walls in some areas lead to a tunnel from where the koopaling could go into, and then apepar in aother tunnel to surprise the player.
I like these ideas, but I would do some rearranging: -If Larry turned you into a Wubba, which is a really good idea by the way, then it would be better for him to be in Fungi Mines, which is the only world where Wubbas and the Wubba transformation are. -Since Lemmy would use Hoppos, he should be the first boss, allowing for a nice and easy mechanic. -Roy should be in the Petal Isles, since the fight would lead up to the Bowser Castle, which is where the new Bullet Bill variants were introduced. Other than that, I love it!
0:46 i would rater prefer Super Mario Bros Wonder has unique bosses like in New Super Mario Bros, rater then a repeat of the Koopalings, it balfling a game so creative, lack bosses so good, i could think of thousands of mechanics that could be used in a boss, put a dragon on world 6 for boss, take King Boo made he the boss of Fungi Mines or a giant version of Wubba
I played through Wonder wondering (haha) where the koopalings were. I went through every boss battle like “okkk which one am I facing” and was disappointed every time it was bowser jr again and again.
I feel like with the wonder effects, this game would’ve been the best game for the Koopalings to appear in because they could each have their own unique wonder mechanic.
I think one of the Koopalings should team up with another so there's one boss fight where you fight both at the same time. I was thinking about combing the wonder effects. Particularly slowing down and speeding up time. This might work with any combination, but I was thinking Larry and Iggy since they both "ride" on objects so they'll focus on trying to run you over while trying to trip you up with the time adjustments.
My ideas: World 1 (Pipe-Rock Plateau): Larry. (Same idea) World 2 (Fluff-Puff Peaks): Iggy. (Same idea) World 3 (Shining Falls): Wendy. (Wendy at first uses her pattern from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, jumping around and throwing bouncing rings, but after taking a certain amount of damage, she floods the room, becomes a Mer-Koopa, and uses SplashWoman's attack pattern in RockMan 9: The Ambition's Revival!!, swimming up in a wavy path while Cheep Cheeps charge in from the sides. When she reaches the top, she launches fireballs, rings, and light spears downward. The spears pierce through terrain, the rings bounce off it, and the fireballs are stopped dead by it. After more hits, she, still in Mer-Koopa form, switches to the pattern she had in Super Mario World, albeit throwing rings and fireballs if she pops out headfirst. If she pops out tail-first, she can only be damaged by fire.) World 4 (Sunbaked Desert): Roy. (Same idea) World 5 (Fungī Mines): Lemmy. (Same idea at first, but Lemmy may summon exploding balls. After a few hits, however, Lemmy will create ghost bombs that summon ghost enemies, and his arena becomes spookier.) World 6 (Deep Magma Bog): Morton. (Same idea) World 7 (Petal Isles): Ludwig. (Same idea, except Ludwig should incorporate music into his fight, with the battle being rhythm-based. Ludwig is also the gatekeeper to Castle Bowser.)
I say Nintendo should’ve given us boss fights that were just Kamek with his Yoshi’s Island antics, either a souped up enemy, or the environment morphs itself into a boss. Basically Kamek could’ve had his magic amped up by the Royal Seed and we have to beat whatever boss he spawns to extract that seed
honestly, the koopalings in my opinion were ALWAYS great despite being overused. imo their only issue is that theyre extremely easy to chain attack. their bosses always has cool concepts (morton using a frickin hammer to launch a pokey at you, wendy flooding the stage, iggy walking on the ceiling or riding a chain chomp, ludwig in nsmb wii), but they hardly matter since theyre so easy to hit out of their shells. the only fix they need is to have them make a shockwave before leaving their shells to knock mario back. that said, the koopalings in this regard would have been PERFECT for wonder
What if Roy was the mini boss on bowser Castle? Kinda like paper mario color splash, plus you would have already seen the missile megs and homing bills
I like to think of some of the Wonder Effects as bosses: the giant enemies, Cosmic Mario, King Boo, and even that Bowser-shaped robot in the airship levels.
I agree with all of these and I also feel like Bowser Jr. should’ve replaced the airship “bosses” since those weren’t really anything in the first place. I think if you just took all of Junior’s fights (not the water one) and put them in each airship, it’s automatically better. And also the final Bowser world could have a Kamek fight somewhere in the middle because it’s absolutely criminal that he doesn’t have a fight.
I think Larry is a good fit for pipe rock plateau, so that stays, here’s how I think it’d play out Phase 1, basic Larry, floor and ceiling are pipes but they are covered, not a lot of cool stuff here Phase 2, wonder effect takes place, the pipes begin to move, they go in a wavy pattern, constricting the fight, sometimes, Larry will go into a pipe and come out on another side, as well as the usual projectiles, a bit more unique Phase 3, the pipe pattern is changed to alternating floor and ceiling, Larry moves through the pipes more often, forcing you to be on your toes, sometimes, Larry fakes coming out, and instead throws a bomb omb at you, and projectiles also go through pipes
I feel like one creative idea wouldve been like, having all the koopalings showing up at the last level before the bowser fight, using the wonder flower powers to combine as one, having the fight change everytime they get hit, to represent the boss arean you fought each on individually, with the fusion each of the koopalings attacks
I thought it'd be cool if Morton and iggy were swapped, iggy could be chasing you through a maze as a wubba, and Morton could've used the hammer to cause stalactites to fall because shining falls is a big cave
For me: Lemmy's ball is a vortex that either pull or pushes depending on how he rolls it. Wendy's would turn into shapes that can separate and target you Roy's would turn into a Mammoth that shoots water to stun you. Iggy's would be stretching parts of his body which you have to use to smack back at him Mortons turns into a mole that trys to get under you leaving jagged shards as he moves Larry's would turn him into a spring that makes him invincible to jump attacks so you have to get him to jump into spikes. Ludwig would turn into a Vulture that shoots feathers and rises Lava from the ground, walls, and ceiling.
Do you know what I thought would’ve been fun? Make the koopalings mid level bosses, and for final boss battles instead of fighting them again, they use their wands to transform regular enemies into wonder monsters.
For Morton, I imagine his wonder effect is him becoming resistant to all of your attacks and summoning Konks in his battle. Your attacks won’t deal normal damage to him but they will stun him for a split second, which, if timed properly, will allow a Konk to fall on top of him which will cause actual damage. And for the last hit, Morton summons one of the Giant Konks that Crush the entire stage and he breaks crystal blocks below him with his hammer. There will be small gaps that you can run through, but Morton can’t, which is why he uses his hammer to break them. You need to hit him on the head enough times so that he stays stunned long enough that he gets crushed by the Giant Konk before you. It might be kind of hard to create in practice, but I feel like it would be an interesting idea as you’ve said you didn’t have a great idea for his boss fight.
"Uuuugh we hate getting the Koopalings all the time!" "Oh, this game is diverging a lot from the New Soup series? No Koopalings, yay! Can't wait for a lot of unique bosses!" (Nintendo slides a small plate over containing all 3 bosses this game has despite its creative premise for boss flexibility) "...GIVE US THE KOOPALINGS BACK PLEASE!!"
I wish the boss fights used wonder things from the levels in that world Why not make Larry summon those pipes to be thse moving platforms? Or use them to go throughout the stage?
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I like the koopalings even when their presence in Mario games gets repetitive. These are some great ideas. However, if Roy were to use his bill blaster cannon in a boss fight, then I think he should be the boss of Petal Isles. Or more specifically, the last line of defense before taking on Castle Bowser because it wasn’t until those last couple of levels when all the bullet bills had appeared to establish their gimmicks.
That would also be a call back to paper Mario color splash in that game he was also the last line of defense
agree
Agree + he could shoot different bullet bill varients each time I mean come on Nintendo didn’t add 3 new bullet bill types for nothing
Yeah, The Koopalings are pretty cool even if there boss fights weren't usually all that creative
That makes sense!
I honestly never got bored of the Koopalings. I think they have been some great boss fights and their previous mechanics combined with the Wonder Flower could have lead to some incredible boss fights
As a huge Koopalings fan , I really enjoyed what you come up with if they were in Super Mario Bros. WONDER. It certainly captures their traits and their personality.
Amen
I don't want to see Koopalings.
I would like to see new characters that acts similarly to the Koopalings.
Mmm
@@superbirdo1430good enough I just didn’t want to just see bowser jr in every map
@@superbirdo1430true, kinda like what they did in 3D World and the Galaxy games.
Really happy to see a fellow Koopaling fan!
Bosses really were the low light of Mario Wonder. I guess they took the critique "Koopalings are repetetive" too strong, and removed them completely.
Even tho they could've been mega cool if they all got new powers in this game, and utilize Wonder's many transformations like in your concept here!
The Koopalings would've made the bosses a lot better and not just Bowser JR in there
Which is ironic because everyone wanted them gone but now……we want them back
@@clonetrooper2003that’s what I’m saying! 😂
@@clonetrooper2003well thats what people get for complaining too much
@@Moonshine568 yeah
@@yoshiponyoschannel6471 ikr
"The koopaling battles are too repetitive!"
"Alright, we'll get rid of them"
"Woo- wait, who's their replacement?"
"Replacement? That wasn't part of the deal"
Ludwig should have came in just before Bowser. Making his music very important to the fight. I would have thought that would have been cool
While we're at it, why not also give Kamek a proper boss fight too? Imagine him channeling the power of the Wonder Flowers in his wand and sending tons of different Wonder Effects to hinder you...
Cool!
I personally believe that without kamek Bowser would not have been able to control the wonder power like he did. Seeing as the wonder effect is unpredictable there is no way he could've guaranteed becoming what he did and having control over it. Not without a smart master of magic like kamek to somehow control what the wonder power did.
@@thatgayguy9365 Oh that's true
People: We do not want Koopalings!
Devs: Wish granted.
Mario Wonder: *only has Bowser Jr., WHATEVER THAT DUMB EASY ROBOT BOWSER BOSS IN THE AIRSHIPS, and Bowser. Not even Kamek had a chance to shine.*
People: No, this is not what we meant! We wanted original bosses, not just Jr. and Bowser, and that easy robot Bowser in the airship!
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@@ryanepic45 If you wanna count him, sure. But I meant bosses that die from taking damage, not by poofing outta existence.
Devs: What do you WANT!?
I really thought that we were getting unique Bosses when I first saw those Airship Factory Bowser Things 😭
It’s funny how everyone was like “it better not just be the Koopalings again!” before the game came out, but now everyone is saying “I wish the Koopalings were there and not just Bowser Jr.!”
I love the Koopalings. Their problem was always that they never had their full potential explored with their bosses. I feel like Wonder could've brought it out finally.
The wonder flower gave bosses so much potential in this game.
Yet, for some reason, Nintendo chose to make Jr the boss of EVERY location instead of making original designs.
@@ma3mc3mu-Xeven weirder how the game gives you freebies with no bosses (only world 3 and 5 I believe)
@@LCharles34even more weirder the bosses that they do have are not even designed to differently from past games (they could’ve went nuts with bowser jr variations)
I actually think these ideas are really cool! I like idea of having to chase after some of Koopalings or having to go through maze while dodging them and I'm actually kinda suprised that the boss fights in Super Mario Bros Wonder weren't as fleshed out as the most of the other Wonder effects sections that are in rest of the game
I had this exact same idea
Here is what I had.
World 1 you fight Morton First. With the size manipulation as his wonder gimmick. World 2 you fight Larry Koopa, with the platform gimmick. World 3, Roy Koopa is fought, and he fights you in an arena, where his duel has you tackling him with different character transformations.
World 4 is Wendy. (The water arena fits her perfectly.) World 5 you fight Iggy Koopa. He uses Wonder transformations that makes his battle more of an escape type thing. You have to avoid his attacks until you can damage him. World 6 is Ludwig. (Ludwig uses the cloning, and making everything dark as his gimmick. Added with multiple projectiles and his ability to levitate or flutter jump, would make him a major threat. World Bowser would have Lemmy as the final Koopaling. As the koopaling who is a circus fan, he goes ahead and has exclusive wonder effects that make him have an effect on his movement. (so jet, spring, and invisible) He would also be fought right before you fight Bowser's Level. It would be as if he is the last line of defense from you stopping Bowser.
You would also fight the Bowser castle itself in a style similar to Newers final boss fight. Defeating castle Bowser would leave it open for you to tackle the final world. Now for Kamek... his 3 Airship appearances would now be turned into Boss fights. You'd fight Kamek himself in the airship right before you do the whole Bowser button section. Defeating him would leave it open for you to destroy it. So you have to defeat Kamek before you destroy the airship.
Bowser Junior would be the tower boss in the main 6 worlds. Getting stronger and maybe even using wonder effects of his own. In the special world, you'd get a special Bowser Junior Boss fight where he uses all wonder effects and power-ups to try and stop you. leading to a secret final battle.
I've always loved the kooplings, no matter what! They would've been PERFECT in this game with all the wonder possibilities! Even if there were only 4 palaces still, they could have two kooplings each, and then Ludwig would be in the final Bowser area!
I think all your ideas were amazing, maybe the devs will see this video and take more time with the bosses, I think it would have been so cool if we got a boss dedicated to that weird dark cosmic energy, the stuff where that mario clone appears during like 2 wonder events in the game, I just feel like it hasn't been used in the game that much
Yeah maybe like the Cosmic Mario could turn gigantic and chase after you breaking an entire level, along with little Cosmic Marios trying to stop you
Hate to be a wet blanket, but the possibility of the devs seeing this and taking more time with the bosses is like zero
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I don't get it, it's only been 1 day
He’s a multi daily uploader? What are you even talking about man
@@GeloSceron97 the whole thing is that Nin10do Land uploading is important, no matter how far apart uploads are
They definitely felt like they were meant to be in. But sadly, they warned like they would have had crazy things.
Like I really wanted them in really badly
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It’s also really annoying because fungi mines and shining falls both don’t have bosses, so I feel we didn’t get enough boss action
Like Jr, the Koopalings are TOO repetitive. Why didn’t they re-establish original bosses?
I second this, new original bosses would make the game feel even more fresh and new, adding the koopalings would’ve taken it a step back to the NSMB era which is likely what Nintendo was trying to avoid.
The koopalings have only been in 5 mainline games that is far from repetitive you’re right about Jr tho
@@VolcanoFarts15no the koopalings have been around for a while now, they’ve been here since the golden era with the original super Mario games on the NES
The fact that New Super Mario Bros (DS) is the only 2D Mario to have truly unique bosses is baffling.
@@Pleasestopnoguingso? They are unique that’s a good thing
Love the idea of having the foreground/background mechanic in one of the bosses, honestly they should've made an entire world themed around that.
I was hoping they would be in there! For once people actually cared about them finally!
The koopalings would've been awesome to see in Super Mario Bros Wonder
Ludwig would be super cool if he played the organ, that is firing out flaimng pirrhana plant notes and he would ochestate the singing pirrhana plants, spike dancer, dancing ninjies and singing boos+ king boos would have been amazing. You could hurt him either when his organ jams and he flys from the background to the foreground.
This video is making me hope that we somehow get a DLC for Wonder and it comes with the Koopalings bosses and their respective wonder effects
I absolutely miss the Koopalings now. Here are my ideas!
Larry: (my personal favorite) A battle were he masters the water elements and makes them come alive, no, not something lame like Bowser jrs water fight.
Wendy: a ballerina dance fight. She uses a mirror to shoot evil hearts at you occasionally.
Iggy: a scientific potions fight. Iggy is the craziest of the bunch, and can boil up potions that erupt like volcanoes.
Roy: he owns a bright purple car now, and it plays hard rock. A music fight.
Morton: a strength related fight we’re you each acquire a magic hammer and break through pillars to get to each other.
Lemmy: a circus performance fight. You know it would work.
Ludwig: a fight were he plays a piano summoning evil music notes with teeth that try and attack you.
Those are my ideas!
I thought of a boss battle idea for Morton, in which he gets extremely large. When he stomps, it stuns you, but when he ground pounds, it makes the bottom platforms go upwards, similar to his castle fight in Nsmbw, albeit faster and all the platforms one after the other. At certain points, he will do a series of jumps, and at the end, if you time it correctly, you can do a super bounce that lands on his head, incorporating the effects of the platforms in the Bowser boss fight.
That would actually be sick! Nintendo, HIRE THIS MAN/WOMAN
@yoshiponyoschannel6471 thank you 😊
@@ProdigyMaster100 no problem!
If the Koopalings were in Wonder it would have been better than having to fight Bowser Jr. EVERY. SINGLE. CASTLE.
It’s almost as if they took all of the Koopalings’ gimmicks and put them in the game but they just got rid of the actual Koopas.
Fans: It's all just Bowser jr.
Nintendo: but he's not a Koopaling.
The Koopalings are so underrated in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. You just almost never see them online.
My go-to is Larry Koopa, and I almost never change it. I love all the Koopalings.
@@mattdickson627fellow Larry main 🤝🏻
@@sicklyeel let’s gooooo I can’t believe it
Me watching wonder trailer: Oh wow! Cool bowser jr boss! I bet there will be more original bosses like this one.
All the bosses end up being jr:
I never got bored of the koopalings
I agree. The bosses is where this game dropped the ball.
And if they did an expansion/DLC (which I think they should, even if there's some kind of philosophy that says they shouldn't), that should definitely have more, better, and more varied bosses. Maybe even Kamek says "Bowser and Bowser Junior were hoping to do this as a father and son bonding event. But sadly, someone had to wreck this triumph, so we've had no choice but to bring a few heavy hitters back. You shall pay for this right now!"
I rlly wished the koopalings were the bosses in the palaces and bowser jr were a miniboss in a tower and they all have this cool wonder look like bowser jr, dang this would have changed the game 😕
Here is an idea where we can have Bowser Jr. as a boss. Maybe he can be the boss at the end of every Battleship instead of the Robot Bowser thing. This is what Jr. does in NSMBWII and in NSMBU where he is the boss in the airships.
I didn't really mind the bosses being just Junior. The Bosses just weren't really the focus of this game, the Devs were just more focused on the Wonder Events than the Boss Battles. Maybe if they see that we miss the Koopalings, they could maybe bring them back for a Mario Wonder 2. Or whatever the next Mario game is.
The problem with the Koopalings Imo is that they don't really do anything outside the spin-offs. If Bowser can constantly have different forms and appearances, why not the Koopalings.
It’s honestly not even about the koopalings. I think it’s more to do with just not having fleshed out boss battles with unique gimmicks. People originally complained about the koopalings because they were more or less the same mechanic-wise
I dont get why they weren't in this game, if anything they made bosses interesting since they all play differently
(there's also seven of them, which is the same amount of wonder seeds)
My time has come, I made a google doc with this premise the Koopalings plus Kamek. They are not in order and in addition they are the least plausible type of boss fights. How I made these fights I chose the last time we saw the Koopalings in a 2d game based on that so for example I watched a video on all of wendy's boss fights and one of them had her ice skating so that's the context for her fight
Ludvig Von Koopas
After knocking him out we’re about to grab the royal seed, when he comes back for an encore riding a boo and he grabs the seed merging with the boo turning into Ludvig Von Boo. Now to be fair and honest this is just a repeat of the boo opera level with Ludvig just throwing boos at you until you get to a button that turns on light immediately defusing the two.
Lemmy Koopa
After knocking him down he gets wonderfied and we enter the Hoppo wonder effect where the ceiling and floor is lava. Lemmy will throw some conjured Hoppos at you trying to knock you into the lava, now even if you don’t have the elephant power up you can knock the hoppos back at him to do the same thing
Roy Koopa
After knocking him down he gets wonderfied and enters the ground as he’s merged with the drill power up, but wait that’s not all as he also has the Seeker Bullet Bills. Now it’s obvi that you can’t jump on him because he has the drill hat and while you can beat him with the elephant fruit, fire flower and even the drill your supposed to use the seeker bill to hit him when he comes out the ground
Iggy Koopa
Now to those reading this, as the lankiest member of the Koopa, most would think to choose the stretch wonder effect, but you would be wrong. After knocking him down the lanky koopa he gets wonderfied and he is now riding on a cloud made of gnashers.
Wendy O. Koopa
After defeating her she gets wonderfied and we get a unique wonder effect. Teaming up with the ice kicking Outmaways, Wendy can ice skate onto the blocks. Obviously you just have to jump on her head to defeat her, but the aforementioned ice block might make this task difficult as they easily spell your doom.
Morton Koopa Jr.
After knocking him down he gets wonderfied. Morton disappears then holes in the walls open up and we hear the familiar sound of a bullrush stampede and riding on top of them is Morton. Now the Bullrushes will exit one hole and enter the hole perpendicular to the exit while Morton throw magic or something at you and just for the record the room were in is three platforms. Now all we got to do is jump on mortons head while not being trampled by the stampede
Larry Koopa
After knocking him down he gets wonderfied kind of. To reiterate context I looked at the koopalings boss fights from other games the exception being Ludvigs and Morton and matched them with an appropriate wonder effect, but with Larry he got nothing interesting. That being said, for Larry wonder fight, a combination of living pipes and light bridges happen.
Kamek
After knocking him down he gets wonderfied sort of. Yes Kamek gets a wonder form, but it is more of the stage and player changes. Everytime Kamek gets hit he changes the wonder event happening in the boss fight. Its start off with the slow down and speed up wonder event then after you hit him he changes the wonder event into the falling pipe wonder event. After you hit him again he turn you into a goomba in tandem with the living pipe wonder effect.
I really miss the koopalimgs because there my favourite Mario bosses
Finally someone finally sees why the koopalings should of been in super Mario bros wonder at
Never in my life would I ever miss the Koopalings, but I’ve grown appreciative of these guys!
Especially after Wonder lacked any meaningful bosses.
usually for me the third most important factor for a game is the bosses so i was pretty dissapointed to see that only 2 bosses were actually somewhat decent
2:55 maybe it would be moving pipes with eyes, just like in the first level of world 1 (world 1 being themed after pipes)
I think if the koopalings were to come back, they would work with some sort of new mechanic, like Larry could have Petey piranha with him and Roy could have the unused clow car launcher (For anyone who doesn't know the game had some unused bossfights and one of them was a koopa clown car with a bullet launcher)
What I think they should’ve done:
Koopalings as tower bosses
And then the main boss of every world can be an actual original boss(of course, including Bowser Jr.)
We could’ve had Petey Piranha, Boom Boom, even King Bob-bomb if we wanted!
Honestly that would be SUPER interesting
I like the fact that we need to make them more unique
With their special ability it way better than we actually have
Really good job 👍
I miss the seven koopalings Ludwig Larry Lemmy Morton Iggy Roy Wendy
i love the koopalings best charectors
Check out “Designing Wonder Versions of all the Koopalings” made by the Worguy
Cause these ideas Suck.
Don’t worry, it’s the only vid I’m disliking.
I miss haunted houses for once. When i discovered that there was like 1 (one) ghost house level i got pretty disapointed, honestly. This and the bosses could've been better.
I know that everyone hates the koopalings but without them everything seems wrong
I really miss the Koopalings, but I know they got rid of them because people complained about Nintendo’s over reliance of them as bosses.
Larry's done a few more things elsewhere. I like to often think, since he was a former leader for the group. I vaguely recall him doing some stealth such before, which works well with that. So, what if Larry was a stealth focus, to compensate for being physically weak compared to the rest of the koopalings?
Hopefully Nintendo takes notes and there will be Koopalings DLC. These ideas will work out almost perfectly
The Wonder effects for Boss Battles NEED correspond with the rest of the World. It wouldn't make sense to have the Jelly Blob transformation in the first world.
W1 Pipe-Rock Plateau: Lemmy will be a basic boss battle starting with Moving Pipes. Then he'll summon Singing Piranhas from the pipes. Finally the pipes will spawn a bunch of Hoppos. Using goofy Lemmy is perfect for the the early goofy Wonder effects.
W2 Fluffpuff Peaks: Larry will summons a climbable tower of Pole Blocks, and after each hit, you'll free fall down to the ground as he attacks you.
W3 Shining Falls: Ludwig, the clever one, will turn Mario into a Hoppycat and send Giant Hoppycats to attack.
W4 Sunbaked Desert: Wendy steals all the water for a personal spa will angrily send you to the dungeon at the BEGGINING of the level. The level itself is a more puzzle-like maze to get through like the Color-Switch palace and the Shova Mansion. All the wonder effects make traps, as well as fire Wendy's signature rings. The final phase is being chased by a giant boulder WHILE turned into a spiked ball. The giant spike boulder will actually crash through the castle, freeing all the water from the castle.
W5 Fungi Mines: Roy, the Bully that he is kidnapped the miners. The entire level will play similarly to the Poison Ruins mixed with an enemy gauntlet, each gauntlet has a kidnapped Popplin.
W6 Deep Magma Bog: Iggy will befriend an evil version of the Bone Dragon and you'll have a Boss Fight while the dragons you stand on dip in and out of lava. Iggy tends to like using monsters to fight for him.
Hub Petal Isles (Fightable after exploring all of the Petal Isles): This will be a GOOMBA Boss fight. Morton will spend the whole auto scroller trying to Smash you or send waves of Munchers and Maw-Maws. Using Morton here cuz he's the fat one lol.
W7 Bowser's Castle: Bowser Jr. basically does the Bullet Bill launcher battle you said in the video. He does it from his new Wonder-fied Clown Car.
I feel like a Petey Piranha fight would be so cool in this game.
This is where koopalings should be, koopalings + wonder flower could be interesting, but only as a hard mode, so the first koopaling doesn't bore people out
Amazing video keep up the good work
Lemmy and Iggy are probably the most obvious ones, just giant balls and a giant chain chomp
personally would put Lemmy in world 1 because hoppos are very similar to his bouncy balls, Wendy in world 4 because of her usual water theming, and Roy in the Petal isles since all 3 new Bullet Bill types are introduced there
Some ideas I had thought of was:
Maybe Iggy's Boss fight wiuld have him turn into a hoppycat mid-way, then he would jump high and try to meteor towards the player. Or maybe their hoppycat form could latch onto walls, floor and the ceiling, and ricoche erraticaly to catch the player off guard.
Another idea would of been for one of the koopalings to have a spikeball form mid-battle, they would roll around the stage, maybe the walls in some areas lead to a tunnel from where the koopaling could go into, and then apepar in aother tunnel to surprise the player.
Everyone: "WE HATE KOOPALINGS!!!!!"
Wonder Flower: *exists*
Also Everyone: actually...
I like these ideas, but I would do some rearranging:
-If Larry turned you into a Wubba, which is a really good idea by the way, then it would be better for him to be in Fungi Mines, which is the only world where Wubbas and the Wubba transformation are.
-Since Lemmy would use Hoppos, he should be the first boss, allowing for a nice and easy mechanic.
-Roy should be in the Petal Isles, since the fight would lead up to the Bowser Castle, which is where the new Bullet Bill variants were introduced.
Other than that, I love it!
0:46 i would rater prefer Super Mario Bros Wonder has unique bosses like in New Super Mario Bros, rater then a repeat of the Koopalings, it balfling a game so creative, lack bosses so good, i could think of thousands of mechanics that could be used in a boss, put a dragon on world 6 for boss, take King Boo made he the boss of Fungi Mines or a giant version of Wubba
I played through Wonder wondering (haha) where the koopalings were. I went through every boss battle like “okkk which one am I facing” and was disappointed every time it was bowser jr again and again.
At 10:03, I would straight up laugh if both you and Ludwig turn into balloons.
1:15 "If you enjoy today's video, stop what you're doing."
So... I stop watching the video?
Minor nitpick, but it would be nice to have like a little animation to go with the things you're talking about
We never knew how much we actually loved the koopalings until they were gone
I feel like with the wonder effects, this game would’ve been the best game for the Koopalings to appear in because they could each have their own unique wonder mechanic.
I really dont understand why the bosses are that bad. There were so many possibilities with the wonder effects. But somehow they screwed it up.
I think one of the Koopalings should team up with another so there's one boss fight where you fight both at the same time.
I was thinking about combing the wonder effects. Particularly slowing down and speeding up time.
This might work with any combination, but I was thinking Larry and Iggy since they both "ride" on objects so they'll focus on trying to run you over while trying to trip you up with the time adjustments.
My ideas:
World 1 (Pipe-Rock Plateau): Larry. (Same idea)
World 2 (Fluff-Puff Peaks): Iggy. (Same idea)
World 3 (Shining Falls): Wendy. (Wendy at first uses her pattern from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, jumping around and throwing bouncing rings, but after taking a certain amount of damage, she floods the room, becomes a Mer-Koopa, and uses SplashWoman's attack pattern in RockMan 9: The Ambition's Revival!!, swimming up in a wavy path while Cheep Cheeps charge in from the sides. When she reaches the top, she launches fireballs, rings, and light spears downward. The spears pierce through terrain, the rings bounce off it, and the fireballs are stopped dead by it. After more hits, she, still in Mer-Koopa form, switches to the pattern she had in Super Mario World, albeit throwing rings and fireballs if she pops out headfirst. If she pops out tail-first, she can only be damaged by fire.)
World 4 (Sunbaked Desert): Roy. (Same idea)
World 5 (Fungī Mines): Lemmy. (Same idea at first, but Lemmy may summon exploding balls. After a few hits, however, Lemmy will create ghost bombs that summon ghost enemies, and his arena becomes spookier.)
World 6 (Deep Magma Bog): Morton. (Same idea)
World 7 (Petal Isles): Ludwig. (Same idea, except Ludwig should incorporate music into his fight, with the battle being rhythm-based. Ludwig is also the gatekeeper to Castle Bowser.)
“You couldn’t live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to me.”
That's a lot harder if the koopalings are in this game!
I say Nintendo should’ve given us boss fights that were just Kamek with his Yoshi’s Island antics, either a souped up enemy, or the environment morphs itself into a boss. Basically Kamek could’ve had his magic amped up by the Royal Seed and we have to beat whatever boss he spawns to extract that seed
honestly, the koopalings in my opinion were ALWAYS great despite being overused. imo their only issue is that theyre extremely easy to chain attack. their bosses always has cool concepts (morton using a frickin hammer to launch a pokey at you, wendy flooding the stage, iggy walking on the ceiling or riding a chain chomp, ludwig in nsmb wii), but they hardly matter since theyre so easy to hit out of their shells. the only fix they need is to have them make a shockwave before leaving their shells to knock mario back.
that said, the koopalings in this regard would have been PERFECT for wonder
I think they would've made a great wonder event musical in nature in the bowser level.
I love the koopaling designs in the thumbnail.. perhaps make a youtube short revealinng every wonder koopaling pls?
What if Roy was the mini boss on bowser Castle? Kinda like paper mario color splash, plus you would have already seen the missile megs and homing bills
I like to think of some of the Wonder Effects as bosses: the giant enemies, Cosmic Mario, King Boo, and even that Bowser-shaped robot in the airship levels.
Could you do more videos about if the Koopalings were bosses in other games(first three paper marios, Mario RPG, Super Princess Peach, etc)?
I haven’t even seen the video and I like it already just by the thumbnail alone.
I agree with all of these and I also feel like Bowser Jr. should’ve replaced the airship “bosses” since those weren’t really anything in the first place. I think if you just took all of Junior’s fights (not the water one) and put them in each airship, it’s automatically better. And also the final Bowser world could have a Kamek fight somewhere in the middle because it’s absolutely criminal that he doesn’t have a fight.
I say morton goes into the magma area so he can have like a lava hammer and hammer those things that fly up when they touch lava
To this day, I still find it criminal that Kamek was literally RIGHT THERE IN THE FIRST INTRO SCENE but didn't become a boss in the game.
Here is my idea of what each would do, it may be long, so watch out
I think Larry is a good fit for pipe rock plateau, so that stays, here’s how I think it’d play out
Phase 1, basic Larry, floor and ceiling are pipes but they are covered, not a lot of cool stuff here
Phase 2, wonder effect takes place, the pipes begin to move, they go in a wavy pattern, constricting the fight, sometimes, Larry will go into a pipe and come out on another side, as well as the usual projectiles, a bit more unique
Phase 3, the pipe pattern is changed to alternating floor and ceiling, Larry moves through the pipes more often, forcing you to be on your toes, sometimes, Larry fakes coming out, and instead throws a bomb omb at you, and projectiles also go through pipes
I feel like one creative idea wouldve been like, having all the koopalings showing up at the last level before the bowser fight, using the wonder flower powers to combine as one, having the fight change everytime they get hit, to represent the boss arean you fought each on individually, with the fusion each of the koopalings attacks
I thought it'd be cool if Morton and iggy were swapped, iggy could be chasing you through a maze as a wubba, and Morton could've used the hammer to cause stalactites to fall because shining falls is a big cave
I liked wonder but the lack of boss fights was disappointing
hello miyamoto, im so glad to meet you! what a blessing
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@@MashupProductions22 i’m pretty sure this is miyamoto bud
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@@kyzomario2639 OMG ITS EIJI ANOUMA
For me:
Lemmy's ball is a vortex that either pull or pushes depending on how he rolls it.
Wendy's would turn into shapes that can separate and target you
Roy's would turn into a Mammoth that shoots water to stun you.
Iggy's would be stretching parts of his body which you have to use to smack back at him
Mortons turns into a mole that trys to get under you leaving jagged shards as he moves
Larry's would turn him into a spring that makes him invincible to jump attacks so you have to get him to jump into spikes.
Ludwig would turn into a Vulture that shoots feathers and rises Lava from the ground, walls, and ceiling.
Do you know what I thought would’ve been fun? Make the koopalings mid level bosses, and for final boss battles instead of fighting them again, they use their wands to transform regular enemies into wonder monsters.
For Morton, I imagine his wonder effect is him becoming resistant to all of your attacks and summoning Konks in his battle. Your attacks won’t deal normal damage to him but they will stun him for a split second, which, if timed properly, will allow a Konk to fall on top of him which will cause actual damage. And for the last hit, Morton summons one of the Giant Konks that Crush the entire stage and he breaks crystal blocks below him with his hammer. There will be small gaps that you can run through, but Morton can’t, which is why he uses his hammer to break them. You need to hit him on the head enough times so that he stays stunned long enough that he gets crushed by the Giant Konk before you. It might be kind of hard to create in practice, but I feel like it would be an interesting idea as you’ve said you didn’t have a great idea for his boss fight.
"Uuuugh we hate getting the Koopalings all the time!" "Oh, this game is diverging a lot from the New Soup series? No Koopalings, yay! Can't wait for a lot of unique bosses!"
(Nintendo slides a small plate over containing all 3 bosses this game has despite its creative premise for boss flexibility)
"...GIVE US THE KOOPALINGS BACK PLEASE!!"
Dose anyone else love that people where begging for the kooplings to be removed but now they’re wanted back
I wish the boss fights used wonder things from the levels in that world
Why not make Larry summon those pipes to be thse moving platforms? Or use them to go throughout the stage?
Remember when the ESRB game description mentioned more involved boss battles vs giant enemies? I wonder what happened to that
i personally think add roy to world 6 bc of the missle megs and morton in world 4, bc vibes 7:21
I wish/hope they add the koopalings as a dlc challenge