I was a police officer in the Dallas area when this happened. The initial reaction to the breaking news was that a bunch of armed religious fanatics had killed federal officers attempting to lawfully execute a search warrant, but as the tragic story unwound, we all could see that this was a horrific power play by the Clinton administration (which was notoriously anti-gun) intended to show the might and anti-2A sentiment of the federal government. While there is no question that Koresh was a perverted, evil person who committed multiple felonies, he could have been peacefully arrested at any time. None of the rest of it was necessary.
The fact that they could have peacefully (or at least far less violently) arrested Koresh should be a frightening thing to all Americans. Like you, I've always found Koresh to be a nut, but the use of force was completely unnecessary. I have issues with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge too, but no one should have died in either instance.
@@DaveMustang74 At the bottom of these events was an attempt to use the same tactics that the IRS used to keep people honest about paying their taxes. They would pick a person in each neighborhood to be audited and that supposedly kept the majority of the people honest. Here they used excessive force and the US Attorney General to keep people afraid.
I remember listening to him on the radio for several hours and thinking about how much of a nut job he was, and then after many of the facts started to come out, I drew the same conclusion as you. No one deserves to be treated like that…not even that pedophile lunatic.
Everyone involved in the Rudy Ridge tragedy should have been fired and escorted out of FBI offices by security at the very least. Horiuchi should have NEVER been allowed in the field again after Ruby Ridge. His service rifle was found to have been re-barreled immediately after the Waco siege.
Did you know that in return for his “service” at Ruby Ridge & for what I can only surmise as being a show of gratitude for it, by the FBI, in the year since Ruby Ridge leading up to Waco, he was promoted to “Head Sniper” for the FBI. And was also rumored to have had his prints on te murdering of a returning compound member who was unarmed & found riddled with bullet holes & lying dead, near a ditch from where he was attempting to sneak into the compound to join his people.
@@Detraf-ohw The biggest asset an officer of these branches of Justice is to carry out orders without question and with 100% efficiency. He did what he was told and he was rewarded for it.
This was an abysmal tragedy. I was 8 years old when I witnessed the horrific conclusion of this event on cable news and I'll never forget how much it scared me. The sight of armored vehicles driving into a structure with children inside it is sickening.
I was 20 and fully trusted the government. They had every right to try and arrest anyone involved in the crimes. That said it was a major failure. The beginning was a mess, the ending was 100x worse. The government was looking bad and they got aggressive at the end. It's most likely the davidians set the house on fire, but they likely did so assuming the end was coming. All that said and seeing the actions of the FBI recently, I don't trust the government, while also believing in law enforcement at the lower levels. I feel like if things don't change and quick, they will be coming for all of us that simply don't want to comply. Again I believe this place was filled with criminals, I don't believe the response was good in any way. I think I'm many ways Ruby ridge was worse. I don't think weaver was trying to build some larger community to thwart the law. He just wanted to be left alone and posed no real threat to greater society. If we can't have that as an option for our lives then America is not free.
THERE WAS A VIDEO MANY YEARS AGO BY A CIA INVESTIGATOR AND IT WAS CALLED HILLIARY CLINTON IS 100 PERCENT INVOLVED IN THIS AND IT SHOWED SO MUCH FOOTAGE AND THEIR LIES AND EVEN CHUCK SCHUMER WHO HAS BEEN CONGRESS FOREVER COVERING FOR THE CLINTONS NOW AND EVEN WAY BACK THEN THEIR LAP DOG. THE COURT CLERK THAT HAS BEEN CONSTANTLY PASSING NOTESBACK AND FORTH WITH THE JUDGE THAT IS VIOLATING HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND ACTING VERY BIZARRELY ABOUT THIS COURT REPORTER ALSO. THAT COURT REPORTER IS CHUCK SCHUMERS GIRLFRIEND WHO HATES TRUMP. WELL THIS VIDEO I TELL YOU ABOUT WACO ANYWAY SHOWED HOW THEY BLOCKED THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE ALL EXITS WITH TANKS AND SHOT TEAR GAS INTO THE HOUSE AND SHEN SHOT BULLETS FROM REAL ASSAULT RIFLES RIGHT AFTER AND MILITARY GRADE TEAR GAS IN FLAMIBLE THEY SET THE HOUSE A BLAZE AND KILLED 57 ADULTS AND 16 OR 17 CHILDREN AND INFANTS IN A 3000 DEGREE FIRE BUT THEY DONT TELL ANYONE THIS IN THESE VIDCEOS. IN THAT DOCUMENTARY YOU CAN SEE THE ARIEL MILITARY INFRARED FOOTAGE SHOWING HOW THEY TRAPPED THE DIVIDIANS INSIDE ALL EXITS WITH TANKS THEY THEN SHOT FLAMABLE TEAR GAS INTO THE HOUSE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS AND SHOT BULLETS IN AFTER WHICH SET THE HOUSE A BLAZE.. AND THE PHOTOS WERE ON THEIR SHOWING THE INCINDIARIES THEY DENIED USING. THESE WERE PRESIDENT BILL CLINTONS SPECIAL FORCES THAT ONLY HE COULD DIRECT. THE DAY AFTER VINCE FOSTER SUPPOEDLY COMMITTED SUICIDE ANOTHER CLINTON BODY COUNT DEAD. HILLIARY CLINTON DEMANDED THAT THEY GET THE EVIDENCE BOXES OUT OF HIS OFFICE ABOUT WACO TEXAS. THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN I AM NOW HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT. EVEN ON THE SECRET SITE I USE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH IT. THEY ARE COVERING THINGS UP AGAIN AS SHE IS OUT THERE SPEAKING AGAIN. MAYBE SHE THINKS SHE HAS A CHANCE IN HELL AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP BUT SOMEONE HAS BEEN BUSY HIDING THIS FILM. BUT I WILL KEEP LOOKING. I SHOULD HAVE FILMED IT WITH MY CAMERA. FROM NOW ON I AM GOING TO BECAUSE THIS CRAP IS HAPPENING WAY TOO MUCH. THERES ANOTHER YOU SHOULD WATCH CALLED BILL AND HILLIARY CLINTON AS DIXIE MAFIA. THERE ARE OTHERS TOO. WATCH HILLIARYS AMERICA. THAT ONE WAS IN THEATERS BRIEFLY. I WENT TO THE ONLY SHOWING IN OUR AREA.
Watching a documentary one of the federal agents interviewed was very eager for a fight. He didn't seem to know he was supposed to be a cop and not a soldier in a declared war. Disturbing.
I was 19 when this happened. Between this and Ruby Ridge, I finished learning to never blindly trust the government. In both instances, no one needed to die. However, the suits in DC thought they knew best. That almost always ends in disaster for the average citizen. Nothing much has changed, really. Especially if you're paying attention to the type of people the Feds are going after today. The Constitution seems to be a hindrance instead of guidance for them.
In both cases, the suits in DC intentionally made matters worse because they felt they needed to "show the American people who's boss" by making an example out of these people. America isn't free. We just live under the illusion of freedom.
The FBI started the fire and the FBI was firing into the compound ( per infrared video) as it burned, preventing people from escaping. Either Bill Clinton or Janet Reno should have stopped the murder of American citizens in the compound but chose not to. Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden were in charge of the congressional investigation of Waco, but no one was charged or went to jail for murder.
I briefly spoke to an FBI agent about this (including Ruby Ridge) several years ago and he said they blew it and blamed it on the good old boy network in WDC.
This is just another example of our government preferring strong arm tactics and displays of force over safe and effective smart alternatives. David Koresh, as reported, regularly left the compound and went jogging. He could have been easily arrested without incident. Then with their leader gone, there would have been a much better chance of avoiding violence. In fact, they could have probably made a deal with Koresh in exchange for his cooperation including calling on his followers to cooperate. By needlessly putting innocent children and others in danger, they demonstrated how little they care about protecting the innocent. All they care about is protecting their power. This attack was nothing more than a demonstration of force intended to intimidate the general public.
They could have call David koresh alone and arrested him it's the government's way of showing we the people what they will do to us if we get out of line.
I don’t think Korean was “targeted”??? He was a pedophile!!! More likely they were trying to make the ATF and DOJ look good after Ruby Ridge. They wanted an image of ATF rescuing children from a pedophilic evil machine gun manufacturer… The Dravidian’s wanted an apocalypse (or at least Koresh did). The Dravidian’s themselves did very little possibly nothing illegal. However Koresh deserved to go down. The travesty is the overreach. Koresh would have ended up dead one way or another on his own!!! The way the ATF operated and justified was the problem…the FBI response was the criticality. Honestly I blame UPS for everything as everyone should!!!
Keep this in mind, arresting Caresh away from the compound risked evidence important to their case being destroyed by those at the compound. But I agree the feds over reacted big time.
@@trob1731Edward Bernays. “Torches of freedom “ is a great example of how easy it is to manipulate public opinion. Edward Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. He was the American version of goebbels, before goebbels. Politicians have been manipulating public opinion for over a century
I remember the television coverage, and constantly explaining to people at work that those "tanks" were Combat Engineer Vehicles, and they do NOT have outside firefighting equipment. Floored a few people that the gun tube has a 6 1/2" bore diameter, and you can fire teargas from inside the turret through the main gun bore, while being safe from return fire. The Ferret tear gas rounds , when fired into a burning building, produce a toxic cyanide gas as a byproduct of the smoke being catalysed by the fire. One way or another, Janet Reno was going to make an example of those people. The whole Clinton administration was anti-gun, Reno was worse then, than Merrick Garland is today, and they were pushing back on a lot of Constitutional rights.
All it would take was a spark of electricity mixed with tear gas that they obviously fired to cause a fire. Not to mention the combustion created by a firearm being shot. The government started the fire, the government killed everybody in that building whether they pulled the trigger or not.
Reno was worse than Merrick Garland? I was only 10 when this occurred, but that’s a hell of a claim. I’m not disagreeing with you, but Garland is a hack and utter garbage. Was Reno really worse?
I heard the same thing. Federal LE can kill people without justification and get away with it. All they needed to do was to wait until Koresh went into town on an errend, or play his guitar, and arrest him then. But they had to try to prove something...
Very interesting, I had no idea, and had never ever heard this reason cited before, as far as legitimizing & necessitating the raid. Thanks for the info/input
Yup The AG had investigated the atf and found the agency and it's members in violation of most every law they enforce. 1000's of weapons,greandes, explosive devices, silencer's and every manor of conficated items Missing and or found in agents personal collections. They were being disbanded. The raid Showtime was to show how necessary they were.
Koresh went jogging, alone, every morning.. if the feds had consulted the local sheriff, he could have been arrested at any time without incident.. but they're feds... Edit, I'm glad this was addressed in the video.
The sheriff had told the feds,that koresh was always in town,on a certain day. What happened could have been avoided. Today we see how weaponized federal agencies are,towards our republic.
You are correct, but it's worse than that. The ATF had the compound under 24/7 surveillance from the rented singlge family home almost directly across the street from the compounds entrance. It was reported that Koresh knew the ATF was there yet continued to jog past it every morning. Almost like he wanted them to arrest him away from the compound.
This event was the moment I lost all trust and respect for the US Government. The realization that our government was not benevolent masters I had been taught they where was a harsh one.
They could have picked up Koresh during the months of surveillance they conducted. He did visit Waco a number of times before word of the raid got to him. Without their leader, there was a very good chance that the remaining members would be ruderless and would have surrendered. I remember watching this as it unfolded. The government was recording it. I just think some have this romantic penchant for a "guns blazing" takeover and cooler heads do not prevail. Once the government felt that it was under attack, it unleashed its machine.
Katrina response who are those who wanted to keep firearms to stay in their homes had them confiscated by the National Guard and the New Orleans PD. also the January 6th situation which is so convoluted and could have been prevented if they just listen to what President Trump pass for the day before by asking for National Guard protection which was refused which makes me believe was a setup.
Haven't seen the whole video yet. Will comment again when I do. What SHOOK ME TO THE CORE, was when I started "connecting dots", and the picture started to become clear; and frankly, horrifying. "Back in the day", CBS' '60mins' did a story about what was referred to as the "Good-Ole-Boy Roundup", which was a white-only event, held on private property, with a DISTINCTIVELY KKK/Aryan flavor; x,x,x,&x were NOT allowed [fill-in the x's]. The unmentioned, and ugliest truth, were that the attendees were all FEDERAL LEOs [+ families]. Everything one might expect to see at a Klan Rally; "effigy-hangings", cross-burnings, racist Wallace-esque speeches; you get it. Most, if not ALL the alphabet agencies were "repped", some more, some less, but ALL "Fed". This was a 'yearly' event, held in the backwoods of AR/TN/MO somewhere; Ozarks area. I give these details in case anyone doubts me, and wants to verify it, they can. I couldn't MAKE this up; not in my most TWISTED nightmare; not if my LIFE depended on it.... When the Waco raid happened, ATF Director Stephen Higgins was being hauled before Congress to give an account of his agency. This was due to a JOINT lawsuit AGAINST the ATF listing 10 of the most EGGREGIOUS INSTANCES of BLATANT VIOLATIONS of people's Constitutional Rights; one of whom I knew PERSONALLY, and another involving an Ohio Policeman as the VICTIM. The two joint-parties were the NRA, and of ALL GROUPS, the ACLU!! The initial raid of 28Feb93 was code-named "Operation SHOWTIME", and was orchestrated to coincide with Higgins' "appearance", so as to give Dir Higgins a "bone" to demonstrate his "leadership acumen" of the ATF. Unfortunately, it DIDN'T work out to their liking, and turned into a REAL GOATSCREW, that was on "TV" every night, for 51 DAYS, at $1M/DAY!!! If those people had been allowed to come out, and the physical evidence was documented [numerous bullet-holes in the gym-roof; the main doors, etc], with the COMPLETE video showing the first 20-30 seconds of the ATF SHOOTING the dogs, and into the structure FIRST...ATF, as a Federal Agency...was DONE; OVER; DISSOLVED! And NOBODY in any OTHER agency wanted them, as they were COWBOYS, and would get the OTHER agencies HORRIBLY sued, down to their skivvies and T-shirts! Uh-UH! There were NO TAKERS for that; NONE! ESPECIALLY after 4 officers were KILLED on the day of the initial raid, and 3-4 Branch Davidians died [a guess from memory...]. So SOMEBODY, at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOV'T [to quote Oliver North re: the Iran-Contra mess], made a DECISION to SAVE a rogue, out of control agency; even if it meant killing Americans WITHOUT any 'due-process' WHATSOEVER!! Anybody remember being taught about what happened at My-Lai? This wasn't "them", or "those people", or on the other side of the world in a war-zone. This was HERE; in the CONUS [Continental US]! With OUR OWN LE Personnel, used against AMERICAN CITIZENS; many of whom...were CHILDREN!!! My God in Heaven...! Then 2-years later, EXACTLY TO THE DAY OF THE Waco Fire [19Apr93], OKC happens; at a time when domestic "anti-terrorism legislation stalled in Congress; and it was immediately RE-INTRODUCED post OKC, and "sailed through" Congress; why...imagine THAT! FASCINATING how that happens, huh? And then, 8 years later when there was something called the PNAC [Plan for a New American Century] that was a collection of "position-papers" charting "America's Future"...9/11 happens, and we get the Patriot/Homeland Security Act, TSA, DHS, and America becomes a blatant "National Security" state, justifying a "never-ending "War on Terror"; as we're being constantly reminded about DOMESTIC terrorism, as this gov't leaves our borders WIDE-OPEN, and INVITING unvetted MASSES of UNCOUNTABLE #s, as this Admin LIES TO OUR FACE, about how our borders are "secure"!!! What ABJECT BS!!! Is there REALLY a WoT, or NOT? If so, WHY doesn't our DOMESTIC policy, match our FOREIGN policy? It's called "consistency"; and clearly, this gov't IS NOT, nor HAS it been; EXCEPT during Trump's time in office. NOW do you see WHY the Deep State [Ds &Rs] are SO terrified of 45 returning to the WH? NOW do you see WHY this gov't is so HELL-BENT on disarming Americans, when it left our enemies $Bs in LETHAL HARDWARE???!!! Folks...are you finally SEEING/SMELLING the BS??? It should be OBVIOUS by now...
At the time, I was in the police academy in Bell County , Texas. At the time I was totally gung ho and on the side of law enforcement in my beliefs. Also, I was freshly discharged from the military. But, now at 53 and out of law enforcement, after learning the facts and settling myself down. I believe it should have been handled a lot different. I believe they could have made an arrest and let him have his day in court without the risk of getting others killed. I believe the ATF wanted a big show to brag about and it was badly planned from the leadership of the federal government. It is a blight on the reputation of fair and decent lawmen forever.
Me too. I was a rookie Houston police officer, all kinds of gung ho, retired now. Realized as the years passed I was helping to create a society I did not want to live in after I retired and was no longer one of "us", but was now one of "them".
I remember seeing the agents blasting the Nancy Sinatra song,” these boots are made for walkin” on tv. Not really a tactic for deescalating the situation. Kind of the opposite actually. I was a psych major at the time. Shouldnt take a psych degree to know that. Not antigovernment. Definitely against the politicians running it though ever since that moment
You told this story in a very objective way. You didn't sugar coat the misdeeds on either side. It was a tragedy, to be sure. And I lived in the Waco area (Bruceville/Eddy) and used to see the Branch Dividian women in the supermarket as late as the early 2000s from time to time...
A very close friend of mine in San Antonio, who was a class 3 firearms dealer (machine guns, silencers, etc.), was retained by one of the Branch Davidians' lawyers to examine the firearms seized in the raid and offer his opinion regarding whether or not any of them had been illegally converted to full automatic. He told me the remains of the AR15 receivers he was shown were in such a state that he could not make a determination one way or the other. However, very shortly after his visit the ATF descended on his home and began an unannounced inspection of his records by multiple ATF personnel. They spent the next three days conducting a detailed examination of his bookkeeping and his inventory, but could find nothing out of order and reluctantly left. However, the message they had sent was clear, so Ken called the Davidian attorney who had hired him and told him he could not continue helping them with their case research. He was a nervous wreck for quite some time following this incident and remained fearful he was now on ATF's radar (I think he was, but that's another story). Anyway, I agree this entire tragedy was grossly mishandled, resulting in an outcome that was far worse than Ruby Ridge. As one gun editor so eloquently and succinctly wrote after the affair died down, "Ultimately, it was a contest between a man who thought he was the son of God and a government that thought it was God."
@@LND209 What reason would I have to lie? I don't prosper from doing so, the story is not about me, and it doesn't put anyone in a particularly favorable light. I only recounted it because it is a small part of the history of this awful event and may serve as a warning to others of what they can expect if they ever run afoul of our government. You can choose not to believe it is true, but I suggest you heed its warning.
This was all over the television and kept a nation glued. And I believe we all cried watching the buildings burn knowing it could have been different. Rest in peace to all the victims and this reminds us that when you step out of line you will be made an example.
I have no experience of the US government, however it has been my experience that officials of the British government will freely lie with little or no provocation, with reasons like , bigotry, not wanting to resolve an issue, absence of proper training or a desire to express control. Each of these has been in my experience as a voter and taxpayer.
I love my country, but the older I get the more I realize that they have done some really messed up things just to stay in control. Sadly, at the very minimum, I think @umhvu just described every government on the planet lately. Especially the comments about the "absence of proper training or a desire to express control". BTW - Great video and probably the most objective description of what happened I have ever seen. Please keep up the good work.
I worked in Waco a few years after the event. Several locals all told me that Koresh was in town on weekends playing music in bars and selling baked goods on the sidewalk. The local police knew him and could have picked him up without a fuss! Totally unnecessary to kill all those innocent people. Big brother at its best!
It was all theatrical play by the USG that went badly off script. Vernon actually looked more in control of himself than the USG agents. An abomination what they did to the innocent and children. The nation has never recovered, and the USG has gotten much worse.
I was at several of those gun shows. The trigger assemblies later claimed to have been on the Branch Davidians' weapons were bought legally and the assembly packages had the official stamp of the BATF&E.
#FACTS Not to mention they legally sold firearms at gun shows to make money. So of course they had stock. Which turned out to be shit... Oh BUT All photos of the firearms BUT 1 AK with a folder... BULLSHIT
It’s amazing that the entire compound and all the people in it, including those in the concrete bunker, were burned to ashes but the ATF and FBI were able to recover all those weapons in almost pristine condition. Many military style weapons are fitted with plastic stocks and furniture but the fire seemed to have no effect on them…………….AMAZING!
I’ve read multiple accounts on the Waco siege and most accounts claim that the ATF had multiple chances to grab Karesh prior to any of the events of the siege happened. That in mind, the ATF could’ve have prevented such events and saved the lives of dozens of people. The fact the ATF held off only proves to me that they wanted blood and wanted to make a show of things to help set an example for anyone else who’d dare to oppose them.
All the people who escaped the fire where in the front of the building where the cameras 2 miles away could see. Everyone fleeing the back of the building was shot, my military personal from special forces, on "special" assignment...
I was 22 and watched the entire thing, I've read a fair bit on the siege since. Not sure which was more revolting, the incompetence or lack of regard for lives and safety.
I was also 22 at the time. Last quarter of nursing school when a classmate ran-in relaying the building was burning. We all felt dread knowing women and children were burning alive. Our government murdered those innocent individuals w/ impunity.
I remember CNN and other media outlets comparing Koresh to all manner of historical villains. The event was heavily laden by government PR. Many accusations proved false. This was ultimately a tragedy of human and civil rights.
Yes but Kiresh was a pervert however the children & women were incinerated for nothing but blood sacrifice for a Jezebel and Ahab in the White House and Jezebel's libby carried out the evil agenda. Much deeper than the surface
Actually, no. Not democracy, but a Constitutional Republic in which one of the two main political parties and half of the other reject the Constitution and elect politicians who have no intention of abiding by their oaths of office.
@@dougearnest7590bu bu but, “democracy‼️”. Politicians and people talk about it like politicians are giving people more choice. “Democracy” to me means the same thing as “woke”. Leftist bull 💩
I was in my late twenties when this happened. The Branch Davidians did not have .50 caliber machine guns, but had Barrett semi-automatic rifles chambered for the .50 caliber Browning Machine gun round, as shown in the pictures in your video. There is some confusion on this, likely spread by the ATF to help justify their actions
As a Texan I watched this event in real time and never understood why after losing element of surprise that ATF continued with plan. Lives would have been saved if they had stopped after that fact. Did they not know? David was a nut. It never would of had a good outcome. Great video thank you.
@AxeRedrum It was not confirmed at the time that they had been tipped off. But watching on that roof it appeared very clear they knew they were coming.
@@AxeRedrum Very little of the truth came out at the time. In fact, at that point in time, there was more evidence to support the theory that Kurt Cobain was killed than there was truth about Waco coming out
Mismanage misuse lack of communication and a total tragedy and overreactment of this situation is one of the most saddest tragedy in the American history. Another great video by your channel
Colin, i love your videos. Your research and fair presentation of the facts is refreshing. Im always better educated and entertained. Keep up the great work!
My husband and I (we had just started dating when the fire happened) sat watching this, talking on the phone with each other. Aftermath, his ex, who worked for Texas DPS crime lab, was one of the people who had to do the site marking. She said it was horrific.
As a former civilian and military LEO, "de-escalation" is primary and key to police work. Koresh was guilty of many crimes it seems, but the federal government is very obviously guilty of murdering the children and all non belligerents inside the compound. The massacre never had to happen.
@@ShannonDove-sy7ye they ain’t no hero’s they are existing modern day red coat who job is it to infringe on our rights. Their motto is guns for me not for thee
You mean a cult leader’s uniform? Also, if you’re referring to the American government why don’t you take a look at the state of Russia and China? How about North Korea? The corruption of the US government pales in comparison. It’s not even close. It’s disgusting how many people like you take what you have for granted. You would be begging to be governed by the United States if you lived in one of the countries I mentioned. Leave our country if you hate it so much 🤡
@@ShannonDove-sy7yeand even worse than that- people like you believe they are the bad guys. When they literally protect and save your life every single day without you knowing it. If you truly believed what you’re spewing out of your mouth, you wouldn’t ever call 911 for any situation. Oh your mother is having a heart attack? You wouldn’t call the bad guys would you? Of course you would. Because you’re a hypocrite. You cry and scream that our government oppresses you, yet you rely on them in every aspect of your life. Extremely Pathetic 🤡
I remember watching the event unfold on TV. It was horrible and infuriating. Frankly, I don't care what or how many weapons one has, it matters what one does with them. There are legal gun owners with hundreds of military-grade weapons who never hurt anyone. IF our government would respect the Second Amendment; IF they had just left them alone; IF they had bothered to research them; IF they had picked up Koresh on a jog or in town, this massacre wouldn't have happened. But it did, and has fueled distrust of our government ever since.
Janet Reno was not the Attorney General at the time of the Ruby Ridge incident. Her handling of the Waco incident was shameful though. If indicted, I suspect she would have claimed she was mislead by federal law enforcement
As a retired street cop (serving 1989-2014), the first thing we would have done in this situation is have Fire and Ambulance stage on the scene, and remain there until it was resolved...you also don't surround and "raid" a structure with possibly armed subjects in broad daylight...they could have isolated and arrested Koresh in town on multiple times a month...Just ask Randy Weaver about the competence of the federal government.
As a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I firmly believe it encompasses the right to own fully automatic arms, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, 50BMG arms and 40mm grenade launchers. These firearms are vital for self-defense, personal safety, and preserving individual freedoms.
Second amendment specifically uses the word “arms” not rifles, and not guns, because they intended for civilians to be able to obtain military grade arms that could check the power of the state The entire constitution is setup as a series of checks and balances and the final check on power was the 2nd amendment which allowed citizens to do what they did in the revolution
David Koresh and his leadership clique regularly frequented a buffet lunch every Tuesday at a nearby shopping center. Same day, same time. They all could have been taken into custody at a place and time that law enforcement authorities chose and not had the tactical advantage of cover and concealment and numbers. Would you consider exploring the 1946 Battle of Pulaski, Tennessee?
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL "An American Story" (1992), starring Brad Johnson, Hallmark television movie. It's worth watching and available for free on RUclips. Some great dialogue. “Why does it always have to come down to a war?” “Because some people can’t be reasoned with.”
Colin, please cover some civil asset forfeiture stories. There are thousands upon thousands to choose from. Particularly cash siezures where there was no conviction or even charges filed.
Thank you for presenting The Waco tragedy in a light that is not seen in other videos. Well done in a different perspective as you did with Ruby Ridge.❤
Very strange about our media, they will take pics of you and me, Bible believing Christians, veterans , conservatives, and Republicans with skulls and children's bodies, but not when their own little hit squads do it. That's why absolutely no one at all respects the ATF or FBI, because they are corrupt boot lickers of the dems
It worries me 70% of "Americans" still either don't care about government tyrannical in actions or don't believe it happens. I see thing's getting worse every year.
How tragic this whole episode is. The Government were very heavy handed and could have dealt with David on his own. Well put together as always Colin. Very interesting but incredibly sad.
Not much has changed with the FBI and ATF .I was an officer in Waco at the time. And FBI agent was being driven around the complex shot 37mm gas grenades into the windows and even parts of the walls. The modified gas tank was ramming the front. The fire was started by the gas grenades no doubt. They burned them up . Sickening. Vernon was not a great guy but the other woman and children were innocent. ☹️
I find it hard to believe anything the government said about Koresh, especially the SA stuff. He didn’t work for the government and if he was as bad as they say, they’d recruit him like they do cartels, terror groups and human traffickers
I believe everything the government says. That said in 30 years there has been no evidence of any illegal* SA stuff that came out from Koresh or others. *IIRC He married an underage girl BUT it was legal under Texas law. So eeeewwww but it required parental consent.
Survivors confirmed his sexual relationships with underaged girls. But that isn't a capital crime. They could have arrested him outside the compound. These deaths were needless and horrific, FUBAR from the start, and Reno should have been held accountable.
Thank you for this very informative talk. I remember whe this was in the news. I didn't understand why the feds had to be so brutal and where was the governor of Texas in this sad chapter. What was the federal government so afraid of?
The Governor at that time, was Gorge W Bush Jr., and the Bush resident’s, known as the Crawford Ranch was further down that same road. The Governor’s office was silent on the matter, to the best of my knowledge? However, I find it interesting, that the one thing that the Bush family and the Clinton’s have in common is that they are all New World Order, Globalist. And guess who the next President would become? That’s right, Gorge W Bush Jr! Sometimes it’s a good idea to remain silent if you don’t want the public to remember that you lived just down the road from the Waco debacle when you were in charge of the State. As it mayhap look as though you had them removed (the Branch Davidian’s). I believe that we haven’t had a President that hasn’t been a Globalist Sense John F Kennedy? And they assassinated him. That said, that’s only my opinion? And opinions like armpits? Each of us have them, And they usually stink😶🌫️ Just saying 🫠
Can you please give me some information to go on ? I tried a basic keyword search but it just takes me to Oklahoma city stuff. You know how hidden some information can be online. Sorry for not being more tech savvy.
I 100% blame the government for this entire debacle. The agents have the nerve to feel bad that some of their own guys were killed/wounded when none of this should have happened. The government was thoughtless and reckless. They could have had Koresh arrested with not one casualty.
Plenty of blame to go around. They could have picked up him and any of the leaders and so-called bad guys at the hardware stores and on the streets around town. Why it was necessary to exercise and display the testosterone in the agency is beyond me.
I had two friends at Waco from different agencies. After things started escalating, one of them informed her supervisor that she either gets resigned out of there or accepted her resignation, retroactively.
This is one of those videos that you should consider following up with another video - after reading all the comments. One thing I would like to see addressed is the role of Texas Rangers and local peace officers at the scene. It is my understanding they took no part in the botched-up murders and subsequent cover-ups of wrongdoing, but were there for crowd control, etc, and then the Feds left a lot of the mess for the Rangers to deal with. I seem to remember something about the Rangers being tasked with being evidence custodians. In addition, what role did the Army play in this? They supplied the armored vehicles, so were they the ones firing the tear gas and flashbangs which possibly started or contributed to the fire nobody can explain? What about Army snipers? I've heard rumors that operators from foreign militaries were also there - as observers maybe? And on the video was clearly an Air Force bus bringing in some people. Did it also come from Ft Hood also, and who was on board?
Great questions, the Air Force bus could have been commandeered to transport, and the Texas LEOs were not involved until it was over, and they were left holding the bag.
If memory serves, there was a significant Air Force presence at nearby Ft Hood. I just can't imagine what USAF personnel would be contributing when they probably had legit jobs to do. The rest of the base was filled with combat arms units and support personnel who didn't have much to do unless they were at war - which means they would have been the better choice for crowd control, or providing services (cooking, waste disposal, communications support - pretty much anything an army in the field would need) and I suspect the Army had busses, too. Then again, it was only one bus in the video. Maybe law enforcement and security personnel - maybe not from Ft Hood but from San Antonio (where their training is), not that much further away. I dread to think they were trainees being sent to observe - to see how the pros do it. It would be nice if someone who was there could provide a little insight.@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
There was a SEAL team assigned to Laon Haruchi, the Fed Sniper that shot the Wever’s at the Wever siege. As he was promoted, afterwards. Funny thing, there’s still twelve empty casings from their hide possession unaccounted for from the Waco siege? And so on top of this tragedy, we have the Posse Comitatus/ Constitution trampled on! And with no afterward accountability??? Proving that: We don’t get the Government that we want, But that in which we deserve- Hamilton
The most shocking thing about this story isn't how the govt handled it or how crazy David Koresh was. No, the craziest thing in this story is that there are still followers of his that think he's the Messiah and will come to save them again... YIKES.
Thank you for covering this. I actually know one of the servivors of this. But unfortunately he didn't know I knew, so no way I would have ever brought it up. It would have been very interesting to get his perspective. Anyway, thanks for covering this. Once again, another great video.
Koresh should have been arrested for his sexual wrongdoings. But this was a massacre. Some of the things you failed to mention: -The video of the tank shooting flames into the compound -the attenpt to escape through the main door during the fire when the atf opened fire on fleeing children trying to escape the fire.
The accusations of “sexual wrongdoing” come from the same people who burned the kids and would later coverup Epstein and his island. I doubt they are true.
Koresh (Vernon Howell) was investigated by the local sheriff's department, and cooperated fully with the investigation. Since the parents consented to letting Koresh have sex with their children, there was no crime. Texas law has been changed to prevent this from happening again.
In the end, it was a fatal confrontation between "a man who believed that he was the son of God, and a government that believed that it was [is] God." "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." ~Tacitus
I seem to always learn something new with your videos. Have followed this story for many years but this is the first time I’ve heard about them having a meth lab.
Same here. Telling that it was the ATF that raided, as getting a warrant was likely an easier sell to Janet Reno as she is very anti-gun, vs a DEA warrant based on the evidence presented here. The actual truth will likely never be known.
For years I've studied this case/incident, and I've almost always at least felt like & had strong suspicions that drugs were involved and perhaps even that the Branch Davidians were in fact running a meth lab, producing/manufacturing methamphetamine and subsequently then distributing it, as one (of several) of their crucial means of generating revenue for the group. Until this video though, it was always just pure suspicion & speculation on my part, however, now for the first time, a credible source doing the proper & thorough investigation & research, has finally come out and stated it... For years I've looked all over to attempt to verify/corroborate this claim, and found almost nothing. So thanks for the long-awaited answer I was looking for
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL I can partly confirm that. The former owner, Mr Roden, did have a meth lab on site. After David became head of the group, he called the police and had them remove it. When the Siege happened, they made the statement that David had a meth lab, that they knew he did not have, as they literally went to remove it personally. They lied, and used this lie to violate Posse Comitatus and send the tanks in. In a just world, they'd be punished for that act. Sadly, we only live in a world where the Government is allowed to investigate the Government and find the Government did nothing wrong, as they always have, and always will
We rebelled against a king. We can rebel against a bunch of cowards in suits telling us they’re here to help while they rob us blind and do as they please while stomping our toes if we step out of line.
I have an issue with what this video says around the 10 minutes, 9 seconds mark, which states that a group of adults and children refused to leave the compound. Children do not refuse to leave of their own accord. They are kept in their location by their parents, and we have a responsibility to protect those children, who are always innocent.
I moved to Minnesota back in 2003. Ended up getting invited to a 7th day Adventist church. I can tell ya from an outsider perspective. The 7th day Adventist is no different then any other Christian denomination. The most extreme about that group is they pray on Saturday not Sunday and they don't eat unclean foods like pork or seafood. I went to the church for over a year. I love myself a good crab or lobster. I love pork chops. I couldn't give that up. But I still went to the church. Nice people there. Not a cult
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL they study out of the king James bible. The same Bible many other denominations use. You might be thinking of the Jehovah witness. They have their own book they study out of. But even they are Christians because a Christian believes the son of God died for their sins. Jewish and people like that don't believe in the whole Jesus dying for our sins. That's what it means to be a Christian. That you believe the whole Jesus part.
Not a cult??? You say misleading things by suggesting the 7th day Adventist are the sane as the branch Dravidian’s??? The truth is “David” made an offshoot of the branch Dravidians that was an offshoot of the 7th day Adventist. Do 7th day Adventist believe one of their members is the second coming of Jesus? Do they make this Kesus character the only person allowed to have sex with all the woman of the community??? Do 7th day Adventist have sex with children because god says so??? I have no reason to believe 7th day Adventist are a cult. However their a completely different organization/religion. You made a strawman argument in a bad way. “Not a cult”??? Hilarious!!!
@@danielcurtis1434 if the 7th day Adventist church is a cult then so are the Lutheran churches. They believe the exact same way. They study out of the king James bible. Except one church believes you can eat what you want and the 7th day Adventist think there are certain foods that are bad and can't eat. I went to the 7th day Adventist church for over a year for every week. I never heard anything about the church before I went. But going to the church for over a year I can tell you it's no different then most denominations of Christian churches. They study out of the same Bible. They don't believe in sleeping with kids or having multiple wives or anything crazy like that. The most extreme thing they did that I thought was weird was not eat certain foods. Just means allot of them were vegetarians. I know vegetarians can be weird but not a cult.
I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist. The ole extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all. That and despise cult leaders taking advantage of troubled people and their weaknesses. However, I watched the final siege in real time. Til this day, I'm absolutely convinced that the government burned them all out to "teach us lesson" for what happens if you stand up that strongly to the government.
As far as who shot first is clear. The ATF lost all their footage with the video cameras they used that day. Also lost the front door showing all the bullet holes going in instead of out. They called it a compound instead of a church. To sway public opinion. All they had to do was wait them out. Instead on the windiest day. Started punching holes all threw the church with a tank. Filling the place with CS gas. Knowing children are inside. Do you know CS gas turns to cyanide when burned? Do you why they strap down and bagthe prisoner head in the death chamber? It's not to keep from escaping. Cyanide will cause muscles to contract to the point of breaking bones. The head can actually twist around backwards. The children in the bunker of the church bodies were contorted and some of their were backwards...
They also shot people who tried to escape the fire, the few survivors there was only lived because they came out in the side the long range news cameras could see, all the others were shot down, there is thermal footage from a plane overhead that shows the atf murdering anyone who got outside of the fire.
I was looking for a chief of my investigative division when a former ATF agent told me his most important moment. Was being the ATF agent in charge of Waco. Later I counseled him that he should revise his answer in the future He couldn’t understand why…..
After Rosen was shot, the Sheriff and a single deputy drove out to arrest Koresh and group leaders. They cooperated completely. If you look at the video of the initial assault, you see the Feds hiding behind vehicles while blindly firing, but there are no signs of any fire from inside the building. Once the Feds were out of ammo, shooting stopped and the Feds were able to leave. The FBI "lost" the steel door that would have showed which direction the first rounds had come from.
Great content Colin! And great fly collars! (Still wanna buy one from ya). I'm commenting a bunch to juice the algorithm. My very close family member was on site when Levoy Finnicum was killed (ambushed). I think that event would make for a good episode.
I would like to see an episode themed around the Massacre Trail in Northern Kentucky. The Trail links the sites of the last three massacres of settlers in Kentucky, in 1781,1786, and 1789.
We lived in Central Texas, i went on military manuevers for a month and came back ( it was still on the television every day )..Watched the ending from home,,,It was a really HOT summer, they turned the electric off ( those poor people must of been sweating badly)..some of our military vehicles were used in the raid (?),,Sad deal
I was a police officer in the Dallas area when this happened. The initial reaction to the breaking news was that a bunch of armed religious fanatics had killed federal officers attempting to lawfully execute a search warrant, but as the tragic story unwound, we all could see that this was a horrific power play by the Clinton administration (which was notoriously anti-gun) intended to show the might and anti-2A sentiment of the federal government. While there is no question that Koresh was a perverted, evil person who committed multiple felonies, he could have been peacefully arrested at any time. None of the rest of it was necessary.
well said
The fact that they could have peacefully (or at least far less violently) arrested Koresh should be a frightening thing to all Americans. Like you, I've always found Koresh to be a nut, but the use of force was completely unnecessary. I have issues with Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge too, but no one should have died in either instance.
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At the bottom of these events was an attempt to use the same tactics that the IRS used to keep people honest about paying their taxes. They would pick a person in each neighborhood to be audited and that supposedly kept the majority of the people honest. Here they used excessive force and the US Attorney General to keep people afraid.
I like how you have Dave condemned as a bad guy. Convienient
I remember listening to him on the radio for several hours and thinking about how much of a nut job he was, and then after many of the facts started to come out, I drew the same conclusion as you. No one deserves to be treated like that…not even that pedophile lunatic.
Everyone involved in the Rudy Ridge tragedy should have been fired and escorted out of FBI offices by security at the very least. Horiuchi should have NEVER been allowed in the field again after Ruby Ridge. His service rifle was found to have been re-barreled immediately after the Waco siege.
Did you know that in return for his “service” at Ruby Ridge & for what I can only surmise as being a show of gratitude for it, by the FBI, in the year since Ruby Ridge leading up to Waco, he was promoted to “Head Sniper” for the FBI. And was also rumored to have had his prints on te murdering of a returning compound member who was unarmed & found riddled with bullet holes & lying dead, near a ditch from where he was attempting to sneak into the compound to join his people.
@@Detraf-ohw The biggest asset an officer of these branches of Justice is to carry out orders without question and with 100% efficiency. He did what he was told and he was rewarded for it.
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And so did the SS prison guards at Auschwitz at the gas chambers!
This was an abysmal tragedy. I was 8 years old when I witnessed the horrific conclusion of this event on cable news and I'll never forget how much it scared me. The sight of armored vehicles driving into a structure with children inside it is sickening.
I was ten, watched it live and I have not trusted the government since then.
I was 20 and fully trusted the government. They had every right to try and arrest anyone involved in the crimes. That said it was a major failure. The beginning was a mess, the ending was 100x worse. The government was looking bad and they got aggressive at the end. It's most likely the davidians set the house on fire, but they likely did so assuming the end was coming.
All that said and seeing the actions of the FBI recently, I don't trust the government, while also believing in law enforcement at the lower levels. I feel like if things don't change and quick, they will be coming for all of us that simply don't want to comply.
Again I believe this place was filled with criminals, I don't believe the response was good in any way. I think I'm many ways Ruby ridge was worse. I don't think weaver was trying to build some larger community to thwart the law. He just wanted to be left alone and posed no real threat to greater society. If we can't have that as an option for our lives then America is not free.
They went there with the best of intentions of saving children. Then saved them by setting them on fire
The worst pic is the one where they’re posing next to the charred bodies of women and children
THERE WAS A VIDEO MANY YEARS AGO BY A CIA INVESTIGATOR AND IT WAS CALLED HILLIARY CLINTON IS 100 PERCENT INVOLVED IN THIS AND IT SHOWED SO MUCH FOOTAGE AND THEIR LIES AND EVEN CHUCK SCHUMER WHO HAS BEEN CONGRESS FOREVER COVERING FOR THE CLINTONS NOW AND EVEN WAY BACK THEN THEIR LAP DOG. THE COURT CLERK THAT HAS BEEN CONSTANTLY PASSING NOTESBACK AND FORTH WITH THE JUDGE THAT IS VIOLATING HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND ACTING VERY BIZARRELY ABOUT THIS COURT REPORTER ALSO. THAT COURT REPORTER IS CHUCK SCHUMERS GIRLFRIEND WHO HATES TRUMP. WELL THIS VIDEO I TELL YOU ABOUT WACO ANYWAY SHOWED HOW THEY BLOCKED THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE ALL EXITS WITH TANKS AND SHOT TEAR GAS INTO THE HOUSE AND SHEN SHOT BULLETS FROM REAL ASSAULT RIFLES RIGHT AFTER AND MILITARY GRADE TEAR GAS IN FLAMIBLE THEY SET THE HOUSE A BLAZE AND KILLED 57 ADULTS AND 16 OR 17 CHILDREN AND INFANTS IN A 3000 DEGREE FIRE BUT THEY DONT TELL ANYONE THIS IN THESE VIDCEOS. IN THAT DOCUMENTARY YOU CAN SEE THE ARIEL MILITARY INFRARED FOOTAGE SHOWING HOW THEY TRAPPED THE DIVIDIANS INSIDE ALL EXITS WITH TANKS THEY THEN SHOT FLAMABLE TEAR GAS INTO THE HOUSE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS AND SHOT BULLETS IN AFTER WHICH SET THE HOUSE A BLAZE.. AND THE PHOTOS WERE ON THEIR SHOWING THE INCINDIARIES THEY DENIED USING. THESE WERE PRESIDENT BILL CLINTONS SPECIAL FORCES THAT ONLY HE COULD DIRECT. THE DAY AFTER VINCE FOSTER SUPPOEDLY COMMITTED SUICIDE ANOTHER CLINTON BODY COUNT DEAD. HILLIARY CLINTON DEMANDED THAT THEY GET THE EVIDENCE BOXES OUT OF HIS OFFICE ABOUT WACO TEXAS. THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN I AM NOW HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT. EVEN ON THE SECRET SITE I USE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH IT. THEY ARE COVERING THINGS UP AGAIN AS SHE IS OUT THERE SPEAKING AGAIN. MAYBE SHE THINKS SHE HAS A CHANCE IN HELL AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP BUT SOMEONE HAS BEEN BUSY HIDING THIS FILM. BUT I WILL KEEP LOOKING. I SHOULD HAVE FILMED IT WITH MY CAMERA. FROM NOW ON I AM GOING TO BECAUSE THIS CRAP IS HAPPENING WAY TOO MUCH. THERES ANOTHER YOU SHOULD WATCH CALLED BILL AND HILLIARY CLINTON AS DIXIE MAFIA. THERE ARE OTHERS TOO. WATCH HILLIARYS AMERICA. THAT ONE WAS IN THEATERS BRIEFLY. I WENT TO THE ONLY SHOWING IN OUR AREA.
Watching a documentary one of the federal agents interviewed was very eager for a fight. He didn't seem to know he was supposed to be a cop and not a soldier in a declared war. Disturbing.
Honed to kill😔
This is what they are doing to the IRS. Get ready buddy! Government dogs are gonna get lose.
Thanks for watching
Hi speed, low drag ATF operator.
He's well learnt now.
I was 19 when this happened. Between this and Ruby Ridge, I finished learning to never blindly trust the government. In both instances, no one needed to die. However, the suits in DC thought they knew best. That almost always ends in disaster for the average citizen. Nothing much has changed, really. Especially if you're paying attention to the type of people the Feds are going after today. The Constitution seems to be a hindrance instead of guidance for them.
In both cases, the suits in DC intentionally made matters worse because they felt they needed to "show the American people who's boss" by making an example out of these people. America isn't free. We just live under the illusion of freedom.
The FBI started the fire and the FBI was firing into the compound ( per infrared video) as it burned, preventing people from escaping. Either Bill Clinton or Janet Reno should have stopped the murder of American citizens in the compound but chose not to. Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden were in charge of the congressional investigation of Waco, but no one was charged or went to jail for murder.
This was Janet Renos biggest fail.
And rarely is there any kind of justice in DC (unless they want it, against political opponents) because it's DC judges, DC juries, etc.
I briefly spoke to an FBI agent about this (including Ruby Ridge) several years ago and he said they blew it and blamed it on the good old boy network in WDC.
This is just another example of our government preferring strong arm tactics and displays of force over safe and effective smart alternatives. David Koresh, as reported, regularly left the compound and went jogging. He could have been easily arrested without incident. Then with their leader gone, there would have been a much better chance of avoiding violence. In fact, they could have probably made a deal with Koresh in exchange for his cooperation including calling on his followers to cooperate. By needlessly putting innocent children and others in danger, they demonstrated how little they care about protecting the innocent. All they care about is protecting their power. This attack was nothing more than a demonstration of force intended to intimidate the general public.
And justify their existence and budget.
They could have call David koresh alone and arrested him it's the government's way of showing we the people what they will do to us if we get out of line.
I don’t think Korean was “targeted”??? He was a pedophile!!! More likely they were trying to make the ATF and DOJ look good after Ruby Ridge.
They wanted an image of ATF rescuing children from a pedophilic evil machine gun manufacturer… The Dravidian’s wanted an apocalypse (or at least Koresh did). The Dravidian’s themselves did very little possibly nothing illegal. However Koresh deserved to go down.
The travesty is the overreach. Koresh would have ended up dead one way or another on his own!!!
The way the ATF operated and justified was the problem…the FBI response was the criticality.
Honestly I blame UPS for everything as everyone should!!!
Keep this in mind, arresting Caresh away from the compound risked evidence important to their case being destroyed by those at the compound. But I agree the feds over reacted big time.
By the people. For the people. Nope. Hasn't been for a long time.
@@trob1731Edward Bernays. “Torches of freedom “ is a great example of how easy it is to manipulate public opinion. Edward Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. He was the American version of goebbels, before goebbels. Politicians have been manipulating public opinion for over a century
He opened the front door for them, and they submachinegunned him. Everything the feds used to do this was a lie.
I remember the television coverage, and constantly explaining to people at work that those "tanks" were Combat Engineer Vehicles, and they do NOT have outside firefighting equipment. Floored a few people that the gun tube has a 6 1/2" bore diameter, and you can fire teargas from inside the turret through the main gun bore, while being safe from return fire.
The Ferret tear gas rounds , when fired into a burning building, produce a toxic cyanide gas as a byproduct of the smoke being catalysed by the fire.
One way or another, Janet Reno was going to make an example of those people. The whole Clinton administration was anti-gun, Reno was worse then, than Merrick Garland is today, and they were pushing back on a lot of Constitutional rights.
The FBI,ATF, and CIA are dangerous organizations and generally supervised by people that scorn the constitution l
Did you know that Jackboot Janet's Bachelor's degree was in Chemistry? She knew full well what would happen when tear gas meets fire.
Your insight and the information you shared is appreciated. Thanks.
All it would take was a spark of electricity mixed with tear gas that they obviously fired to cause a fire. Not to mention the combustion created by a firearm being shot. The government started the fire, the government killed everybody in that building whether they pulled the trigger or not.
Reno was worse than Merrick Garland? I was only 10 when this occurred, but that’s a hell of a claim. I’m not disagreeing with you, but Garland is a hack and utter garbage. Was Reno really worse?
From what I remember, the ATF was about to lose funding and it needed an incident to show the Federal Government that it was a worthwhile agency.
I heard the same thing.
Federal LE can kill people without justification and get away with it.
All they needed to do was to wait until Koresh went into town on an errend, or play his guitar, and arrest him then.
But they had to try to prove something...
Very interesting, I had no idea, and had never ever heard this reason cited before, as far as legitimizing & necessitating the raid. Thanks for the info/input
That was also the inspiration behind the Ruby Ridge incident and the same teams participated in both events
Yup
The AG had investigated the atf and found the agency and it's members in violation of most every law they enforce.
1000's of weapons,greandes, explosive devices, silencer's and every manor of conficated items Missing and or found in agents personal collections.
They were being disbanded.
The raid Showtime was to show how necessary they were.
Hello to the Clinton family
Thanks Colin. Along w/Ruby Ridge and other events by 3 letter agencies, there is unaccountability and unanswered questions.
Koresh went jogging, alone, every morning.. if the feds had consulted the local sheriff, he could have been arrested at any time without incident.. but they're feds...
Edit, I'm glad this was addressed in the video.
The sheriff had told the feds,that koresh was always in town,on a certain day. What happened could have been avoided. Today we see how weaponized federal agencies are,towards our republic.
You are correct, but it's worse than that. The ATF had the compound under 24/7 surveillance from the rented singlge family home almost directly across the street from the compounds entrance. It was reported that Koresh knew the ATF was there yet continued to jog past it every morning. Almost like he wanted them to arrest him away from the compound.
Question: Did the government overreact? Given the jogging information then yes, they could have arrested Koresh without incident
Forgetting History is one thing, never learning from it is another.
This event was the moment I lost all trust and respect for the US Government. The realization that our government was not benevolent masters I had been taught they where was a harsh one.
They could have picked up Koresh during the months of surveillance they conducted. He did visit Waco a number of times before word of the raid got to him. Without their leader, there was a very good chance that the remaining members would be ruderless and would have surrendered. I remember watching this as it unfolded. The government was recording it. I just think some have this romantic penchant for a "guns blazing" takeover and cooler heads do not prevail. Once the government felt that it was under attack, it unleashed its machine.
"benevolent masters" never even enters the same state of thought when it comes to government lol. Glad you came around
Yes that was not the good ole days as some might think.
Katrina response who are those who wanted to keep firearms to stay in their homes had them confiscated by the National Guard and the New Orleans PD. also the January 6th situation which is so convoluted and could have been prevented if they just listen to what President Trump pass for the day before by asking for National Guard protection which was refused which makes me believe was a setup.
Haven't seen the whole video yet. Will comment again when I do.
What SHOOK ME TO THE CORE, was when I started "connecting dots", and the picture started to become clear; and frankly, horrifying.
"Back in the day", CBS' '60mins' did a story about what was referred to as the "Good-Ole-Boy Roundup", which was a white-only event, held on private property, with a DISTINCTIVELY KKK/Aryan flavor; x,x,x,&x were NOT allowed [fill-in the x's]. The unmentioned, and ugliest truth, were that the attendees were all FEDERAL LEOs [+ families]. Everything one might expect to see at a Klan Rally; "effigy-hangings", cross-burnings, racist Wallace-esque speeches; you get it. Most, if not ALL the alphabet agencies were "repped", some more, some less, but ALL "Fed". This was a 'yearly' event, held in the backwoods of AR/TN/MO somewhere; Ozarks area. I give these details in case anyone doubts me, and wants to verify it, they can. I couldn't MAKE this up; not in my most TWISTED nightmare; not if my LIFE depended on it....
When the Waco raid happened, ATF Director Stephen Higgins was being hauled before Congress to give an account of his agency. This was due to a JOINT lawsuit AGAINST the ATF listing 10 of the most EGGREGIOUS INSTANCES of BLATANT VIOLATIONS of people's Constitutional Rights; one of whom I knew PERSONALLY, and another involving an Ohio Policeman as the VICTIM. The two joint-parties were the NRA, and of ALL GROUPS, the ACLU!!
The initial raid of 28Feb93 was code-named "Operation SHOWTIME", and was orchestrated to coincide with Higgins' "appearance", so as to give Dir Higgins a "bone" to demonstrate his "leadership acumen" of the ATF.
Unfortunately, it DIDN'T work out to their liking, and turned into a REAL GOATSCREW, that was on "TV" every night, for 51 DAYS, at $1M/DAY!!!
If those people had been allowed to come out, and the physical evidence was documented [numerous bullet-holes in the gym-roof; the main doors, etc], with the COMPLETE video showing the first 20-30 seconds of the ATF SHOOTING the dogs, and into the structure FIRST...ATF, as a Federal Agency...was DONE; OVER; DISSOLVED! And NOBODY in any OTHER agency wanted them, as they were COWBOYS, and would get the OTHER agencies HORRIBLY sued, down to their skivvies and T-shirts! Uh-UH! There were NO TAKERS for that; NONE! ESPECIALLY after 4 officers were KILLED on the day of the initial raid, and 3-4 Branch Davidians died [a guess from memory...]. So SOMEBODY, at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOV'T [to quote Oliver North re: the Iran-Contra mess], made a DECISION to SAVE a rogue, out of control agency; even if it meant killing Americans WITHOUT any 'due-process' WHATSOEVER!!
Anybody remember being taught about what happened at My-Lai? This wasn't "them", or "those people", or on the other side of the world in a war-zone. This was HERE; in the CONUS [Continental US]! With OUR OWN LE Personnel, used against AMERICAN CITIZENS; many of whom...were CHILDREN!!!
My God in Heaven...!
Then 2-years later, EXACTLY TO THE DAY OF THE Waco Fire [19Apr93], OKC happens; at a time when domestic "anti-terrorism legislation stalled in Congress; and it was immediately RE-INTRODUCED post OKC, and "sailed through" Congress; why...imagine THAT! FASCINATING how that happens, huh?
And then, 8 years later when there was something called the PNAC [Plan for a New American Century] that was a collection of "position-papers" charting "America's Future"...9/11 happens, and we get the Patriot/Homeland Security Act, TSA, DHS, and America becomes a blatant "National Security" state, justifying a "never-ending "War on Terror"; as we're being constantly reminded about DOMESTIC terrorism, as this gov't leaves our borders WIDE-OPEN, and INVITING unvetted MASSES of UNCOUNTABLE #s, as this Admin LIES TO OUR FACE, about how our borders are "secure"!!!
What ABJECT BS!!!
Is there REALLY a WoT, or NOT? If so, WHY doesn't our DOMESTIC policy, match our FOREIGN policy? It's called "consistency"; and clearly, this gov't IS NOT, nor HAS it been; EXCEPT during Trump's time in office.
NOW do you see WHY the Deep State [Ds &Rs] are SO terrified of 45 returning to the WH?
NOW do you see WHY this gov't is so HELL-BENT on disarming Americans, when it left our enemies $Bs in LETHAL HARDWARE???!!!
Folks...are you finally SEEING/SMELLING the BS??? It should be OBVIOUS by now...
At the time, I was in the police academy in Bell County , Texas. At the time I was totally gung ho and on the side of law enforcement in my beliefs. Also, I was freshly discharged from the military. But, now at 53 and out of law enforcement, after learning the facts and settling myself down. I believe it should have been handled a lot different. I believe they could have made an arrest and let him have his day in court without the risk of getting others killed. I believe the ATF wanted a big show to brag about and it was badly planned from the leadership of the federal government. It is a blight on the reputation of fair and decent lawmen forever.
I WAS EX STATE AND FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, THERE IS NO DECENT LAWMAN, JUST CORRUPT ONES AND THE ONES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.
Me too. I was a rookie Houston police officer, all kinds of gung ho, retired now. Realized as the years passed I was helping to create a society I did not want to live in after I retired and was no longer one of "us", but was now one of "them".
Thank you for service & reckoning & speaking out against Undue tyranny.
@@robertshirley1192I bet you don’t live in the Houston city limits eh
I remember seeing the agents blasting the Nancy Sinatra song,” these boots are made for walkin” on tv. Not really a tactic for deescalating the situation. Kind of the opposite actually. I was a psych major at the time. Shouldnt take a psych degree to know that. Not antigovernment. Definitely against the politicians running it though ever since that moment
You told this story in a very objective way. You didn't sugar coat the misdeeds on either side. It was a tragedy, to be sure. And I lived in the Waco area (Bruceville/Eddy) and used to see the Branch Dividian women in the supermarket as late as the early 2000s from time to time...
A very close friend of mine in San Antonio, who was a class 3 firearms dealer (machine guns, silencers, etc.), was retained by one of the Branch Davidians' lawyers to examine the firearms seized in the raid and offer his opinion regarding whether or not any of them had been illegally converted to full automatic. He told me the remains of the AR15 receivers he was shown were in such a state that he could not make a determination one way or the other. However, very shortly after his visit the ATF descended on his home and began an unannounced inspection of his records by multiple ATF personnel. They spent the next three days conducting a detailed examination of his bookkeeping and his inventory, but could find nothing out of order and reluctantly left. However, the message they had sent was clear, so Ken called the Davidian attorney who had hired him and told him he could not continue helping them with their case research. He was a nervous wreck for quite some time following this incident and remained fearful he was now on ATF's radar (I think he was, but that's another story). Anyway, I agree this entire tragedy was grossly mishandled, resulting in an outcome that was far worse than Ruby Ridge. As one gun editor so eloquently and succinctly wrote after the affair died down, "Ultimately, it was a contest between a man who thought he was the son of God and a government that thought it was God."
Wow...I knew somebody who knew somebody that talked to someone who was there too
@@JMAC479 Why do you find it necessary to mock and lie?
@@Paladin1873How do we know youre not lying?
@@LND209 What reason would I have to lie? I don't prosper from doing so, the story is not about me, and it doesn't put anyone in a particularly favorable light. I only recounted it because it is a small part of the history of this awful event and may serve as a warning to others of what they can expect if they ever run afoul of our government. You can choose not to believe it is true, but I suggest you heed its warning.
@@Paladin1873 I could say the same to you when you said the other dude was lying. How do you know he was lying?
One of the few moments in our nations history that will forever be cemented in my mind
Good.
Never drop your guard.
Absolutely.
This was all over the television and kept a nation glued. And I believe we all cried watching the buildings burn knowing it could have been different. Rest in peace to all the victims and this reminds us that when you step out of line you will be made an example.
"this reminds us that when you step out of line you will be made an example" - Not true. None of the Feds were prosecuted.
I have no experience of the US government, however it has been my experience that officials of the British government will freely lie with little or no provocation, with reasons like , bigotry, not wanting to resolve an issue, absence of proper training or a desire to express control. Each of these has been in my experience as a voter and taxpayer.
I love my country, but the older I get the more I realize that they have done some really messed up things just to stay in control. Sadly, at the very minimum, I think @umhvu just described every government on the planet lately. Especially the comments about the "absence of proper training or a desire to express control". BTW - Great video and probably the most objective description of what happened I have ever seen. Please keep up the good work.
I worked in Waco a few years after the event. Several locals all told me that Koresh was in town on weekends playing music in bars and selling baked goods on the sidewalk. The local police knew him and could have picked him up without a fuss! Totally unnecessary to kill all those innocent people. Big brother at its best!
It was all theatrical play by the USG that went badly off script. Vernon actually looked more in control of himself than the USG agents. An abomination what they did to the innocent and children. The nation has never recovered, and the USG has gotten much worse.
I was at several of those gun shows. The trigger assemblies later claimed to have been on the Branch Davidians' weapons were bought legally and the assembly packages had the official stamp of the BATF&E.
#FACTS Not to mention they legally sold firearms at gun shows to make money. So of course they had stock. Which turned out to be shit... Oh BUT All photos of the firearms BUT 1 AK with a folder...
BULLSHIT
It’s amazing that the entire compound and all the people in it, including those in the concrete bunker, were burned to ashes but the ATF and FBI were able to recover all those weapons in almost pristine condition. Many military style weapons are fitted with plastic stocks and furniture but the fire seemed to have no effect on them…………….AMAZING!
The gov, doing what the gov does best
I’ve read multiple accounts on the Waco siege and most accounts claim that the ATF had multiple chances to grab Karesh prior to any of the events of the siege happened. That in mind, the ATF could’ve have prevented such events and saved the lives of dozens of people. The fact the ATF held off only proves to me that they wanted blood and wanted to make a show of things to help set an example for anyone else who’d dare to oppose them.
All the people who escaped the fire where in the front of the building where the cameras 2 miles away could see. Everyone fleeing the back of the building was shot, my military personal from special forces, on "special" assignment...
I was 22 and watched the entire thing, I've read a fair bit on the siege since. Not sure which was more revolting, the incompetence or lack of regard for lives and safety.
I was also 22 at the time. Last quarter of nursing school when a classmate ran-in relaying the building was burning. We all felt dread knowing women and children were burning alive. Our government murdered those innocent individuals w/ impunity.
I remember CNN and other media outlets comparing Koresh to all manner of historical villains. The event was heavily laden by government PR. Many accusations proved false. This was ultimately a tragedy of human and civil rights.
Another Reno/Clinton fuck up.
Yes but Kiresh was a pervert however the children & women were incinerated for nothing but blood sacrifice for a Jezebel and Ahab in the White House and Jezebel's libby carried out the evil agenda. Much deeper than the surface
Wierd how many of the people in power then are still in power today. But democracy though right?
Exactly
Actually, no. Not democracy, but a Constitutional Republic in which one of the two main political parties and half of the other reject the Constitution and elect politicians who have no intention of abiding by their oaths of office.
@@dougearnest7590bu bu but, “democracy‼️”. Politicians and people talk about it like politicians are giving people more choice. “Democracy” to me means the same thing as “woke”. Leftist bull 💩
I was in my late twenties when this happened. The Branch Davidians did not have .50 caliber machine guns, but had Barrett semi-automatic rifles chambered for the .50 caliber Browning Machine gun round, as shown in the pictures in your video. There is some confusion on this, likely spread by the ATF to help justify their actions
Possibly. No M2 types were ever reported as being recovered
Please do one about the Oklahoma City Bombing,and the CIA's connection to it !@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
As a Texan I watched this event in real time and never understood why after losing element of surprise that ATF continued with plan. Lives would have been saved if they had stopped after that fact. Did they not know? David was a nut. It never would of had a good outcome. Great video thank you.
I bet that was strange. How much truth was coming out at that time, I wonder. Be well🍻🇺🇲
@AxeRedrum It was not confirmed at the time that they had been tipped off. But watching on that roof it appeared very clear they knew they were coming.
If they wanted to arrest David they had countless opportunities when he went to town.
@@rebelscumspeedshopExactly. He was unarmed. My dad saw him in town almost every day.
@@AxeRedrum Very little of the truth came out at the time. In fact, at that point in time, there was more evidence to support the theory that Kurt Cobain was killed than there was truth about Waco coming out
Mismanage misuse lack of communication and a total tragedy and overreactment of this situation is one of the most saddest tragedy in the American history. Another great video by your channel
Colin, i love your videos. Your research and fair presentation of the facts is refreshing. Im always better educated and entertained. Keep up the great work!
My husband and I (we had just started dating when the fire happened) sat watching this, talking on the phone with each other. Aftermath, his ex, who worked for Texas DPS crime lab, was one of the people who had to do the site marking. She said it was horrific.
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help"
Mr. Reagan
As a former civilian and military LEO, "de-escalation" is primary and key to police work. Koresh was guilty of many crimes it seems, but the federal government is very obviously guilty of murdering the children and all non belligerents inside the compound. The massacre never had to happen.
When tyranny comes knocking, it comes in a uniform.
Yup and those dudes in uniform’s think they are the good guys
@@tomyoung8563 that's the worst part of all,.... they actually believe they are the good guys
@@ShannonDove-sy7ye they ain’t no hero’s they are existing modern day red coat who job is it to infringe on our rights. Their motto is guns for me not for thee
You mean a cult leader’s uniform? Also, if you’re referring to the American government why don’t you take a look at the state of Russia and China? How about North Korea? The corruption of the US government pales in comparison. It’s not even close. It’s disgusting how many people like you take what you have for granted. You would be begging to be governed by the United States if you lived in one of the countries I mentioned. Leave our country if you hate it so much 🤡
@@ShannonDove-sy7yeand even worse than that- people like you believe they are the bad guys. When they literally protect and save your life every single day without you knowing it. If you truly believed what you’re spewing out of your mouth, you wouldn’t ever call 911 for any situation. Oh your mother is having a heart attack? You wouldn’t call the bad guys would you? Of course you would. Because you’re a hypocrite. You cry and scream that our government oppresses you, yet you rely on them in every aspect of your life. Extremely Pathetic 🤡
I remember watching the event unfold on TV. It was horrible and infuriating. Frankly, I don't care what or how many weapons one has, it matters what one does with them. There are legal gun owners with hundreds of military-grade weapons who never hurt anyone. IF our government would respect the Second Amendment; IF they had just left them alone; IF they had bothered to research them; IF they had picked up Koresh on a jog or in town, this massacre wouldn't have happened. But it did, and has fueled distrust of our government ever since.
Our government has a penchant for harassing law-abiding citizens, yet never pursues murderers, robbers, thieves, etc.
Janet Reno needed to swing for this and Ruby Ridge
Janet Reno was not the Attorney General at the time of the Ruby Ridge incident. Her handling of the Waco incident was shameful though. If indicted, I suspect she would have claimed she was mislead by federal law enforcement
I recall seeing her on TV back then. Bet with confidence that she was definitely a swinger.
As a retired street cop (serving 1989-2014), the first thing we would have done in this situation is have Fire and Ambulance stage on the scene, and remain there until it was resolved...you also don't surround and "raid" a structure with possibly armed subjects in broad daylight...they could have isolated and arrested Koresh in town on multiple times a month...Just ask Randy Weaver about the competence of the federal government.
As a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I firmly believe it encompasses the right to own fully automatic arms, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, 50BMG arms and 40mm grenade launchers. These firearms are vital for self-defense, personal safety, and preserving individual freedoms.
Second amendment specifically uses the word “arms” not rifles, and not guns, because they intended for civilians to be able to obtain military grade arms that could check the power of the state
The entire constitution is setup as a series of checks and balances and the final check on power was the 2nd amendment which allowed citizens to do what they did in the revolution
This video is all the proof you need.
You forgot tanks
I whole heartedly agree.
And to prevent tyranny.
David Koresh and his leadership clique regularly frequented a buffet lunch every Tuesday at a nearby shopping center.
Same day, same time.
They all could have been taken into custody at a place and time that law enforcement authorities chose and not had the tactical advantage of cover and concealment and numbers.
Would you consider exploring the 1946 Battle of Pulaski, Tennessee?
We could do Pulaski, there is a good movie about it.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Yeah, those young WWII vets were not about to put up with any silliness.
A segment on the mass graves found in the Katyn Forest would be fascinating.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL "An American Story" (1992), starring Brad Johnson, Hallmark television movie. It's worth watching and available for free on RUclips. Some great dialogue.
“Why does it always have to come down to a war?”
“Because some people can’t be reasoned with.”
@@bele2.041are you talking about the battle of athens?
“Koresh asked to speak to ATF Agent Gutierrez. Gutierrez refused to speak to him.” That says it all.
Colin, please cover some civil asset forfeiture stories. There are thousands upon thousands to choose from. Particularly cash siezures where there was no conviction or even charges filed.
Yes, we are aware. Thanks.
"seizures" aka outright theft after the massacre...
This was one of the most watched yet tragic moments in American history.
Thank you for presenting The Waco tragedy in a light that is not seen in other videos. Well done in a different perspective as you did with Ruby Ridge.❤
Remember this was the ATF's attempt to make themselves look good.
Also they posed for pictures with the skulls of the citizens/children afterwords.
How Marxist of them.
Very strange about our media, they will take pics of you and me, Bible believing Christians, veterans , conservatives, and Republicans with skulls and children's bodies, but not when their own little hit squads do it. That's why absolutely no one at all respects the ATF or FBI, because they are corrupt boot lickers of the dems
It worries me 70% of "Americans" still either don't care about government tyrannical in actions or don't believe it happens. I see thing's getting worse every year.
@@mikewright8033I have no problem with most in these agency's. Unfortunately the hand full of bad actor's hold power for some unexplainable reasons.
@@Trump2024asw Remember the German occupation of Jersey Island? The English Bobbys colaborated with them, so to not risk their pensions.
I haven't forgotten Waco, nor have I forgotten Ruby Ridge.
Gordon Kahl?
If they knew his routine for jogging they should have grabbed him
Exactly,
but that is not how tyrannical governments show the world their power. They do it by killing women and children. Kinda like Hamas.
How tragic this whole episode is. The Government were very heavy handed and could have dealt with David on his own. Well put together as always Colin. Very interesting but incredibly sad.
Not much has changed with the FBI and ATF .I was an officer in Waco at the time. And FBI agent was being driven around the complex shot 37mm gas grenades into the windows and even parts of the walls. The modified gas tank was ramming the front. The fire was started by the gas grenades no doubt. They burned them up . Sickening. Vernon was not a great guy but the other woman and children were innocent. ☹️
Every time I heard the phrase, "The government said", I was doubtful of what followed.
I find it hard to believe anything the government said about Koresh, especially the SA stuff. He didn’t work for the government and if he was as bad as they say, they’d recruit him like they do cartels, terror groups and human traffickers
I believe everything the government says. That said in 30 years there has been no evidence of any illegal* SA stuff that came out from Koresh or others.
*IIRC He married an underage girl BUT it was legal under Texas law. So eeeewwww but it required parental consent.
Thanks for watching
Some were 10 and 11.
Mean while the church of satan sacrifices children, drug traffic and sexualize the youth and the government does nothing
Survivors confirmed his sexual relationships with underaged girls. But that isn't a capital crime. They could have arrested him outside the compound. These deaths were needless and horrific, FUBAR from the start, and Reno should have been held accountable.
Thank you for this channel, you are doing great work.
Vital work!
This one of very few channels that I immediately hit like.
Thank you for this very informative talk.
I remember whe this was in the news. I didn't understand why the feds had to be so brutal and where was the governor of Texas in this sad chapter. What was the federal government so afraid of?
The Governor at that time, was Gorge W Bush Jr., and the Bush resident’s, known as the Crawford Ranch was further down that same road.
The Governor’s office was silent on the matter, to the best of my knowledge? However, I find it interesting, that the one thing that the Bush family and the Clinton’s have in common is that they are all New World Order, Globalist.
And guess who the next President would become?
That’s right, Gorge W Bush Jr!
Sometimes it’s a good idea to remain silent if you don’t want the public to remember that you lived just down the road from the Waco debacle when you were in charge of the State.
As it mayhap look as though you had them removed (the Branch Davidian’s).
I believe that we haven’t had a President that hasn’t been a Globalist Sense John F Kennedy? And they assassinated him. That said, that’s only my opinion? And opinions like armpits? Each of us have them,
And they usually stink😶🌫️
Just saying 🫠
With what we know about the GOVERMENT today. Who knows what really went down. But I believe massacre is a good word to describe the situation.
Our constitution says to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
"...vs enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC."
You forgot the part where merick garlen, today's ag covered it up...😉
Can you please give me some information to go on ? I tried a basic keyword search but it just takes me to Oklahoma city stuff. You know how hidden some information can be online. Sorry for not being more tech savvy.
I have not forgotten. Agents, this is the sort of thing that builds the divides. It could have ended differently.
That the governor of Texas didn't put a stop to it is telling.
The Governor at the time was Ann Richards, a Democrat Clinton ally, so probably not a coincidence.
It was Ann Richards, she marched in lockstep with Bill Clinton, Janet Reno and the rest of the globalists.
I’m from here. ‘Ol Weapons of Mass Destruction Bush was Governor. Boy oh boy did he screw up our gas prices a decade later.
I 100% blame the government for this entire debacle. The agents have the nerve to feel bad that some of their own guys were killed/wounded when none of this should have happened. The government was thoughtless and reckless. They could have had Koresh arrested with not one casualty.
Plenty of blame to go around. They could have picked up him and any of the leaders and so-called bad guys at the hardware stores and on the streets around town. Why it was necessary to exercise and display the testosterone in the agency is beyond me.
Gun control
I had two friends at Waco from different agencies. After things started escalating, one of them informed her supervisor that she either gets resigned out of there or accepted her resignation, retroactively.
This is one of those videos that you should consider following up with another video - after reading all the comments.
One thing I would like to see addressed is the role of Texas Rangers and local peace officers at the scene. It is my understanding they took no part in the botched-up murders and subsequent cover-ups of wrongdoing, but were there for crowd control, etc, and then the Feds left a lot of the mess for the Rangers to deal with. I seem to remember something about the Rangers being tasked with being evidence custodians.
In addition, what role did the Army play in this? They supplied the armored vehicles, so were they the ones firing the tear gas and flashbangs which possibly started or contributed to the fire nobody can explain? What about Army snipers? I've heard rumors that operators from foreign militaries were also there - as observers maybe? And on the video was clearly an Air Force bus bringing in some people. Did it also come from Ft Hood also, and who was on board?
Great questions, the Air Force bus could have been commandeered to transport, and the Texas LEOs were not involved until it was over, and they were left holding the bag.
If memory serves, there was a significant Air Force presence at nearby Ft Hood. I just can't imagine what USAF personnel would be contributing when they probably had legit jobs to do. The rest of the base was filled with combat arms units and support personnel who didn't have much to do unless they were at war - which means they would have been the better choice for crowd control, or providing services (cooking, waste disposal, communications support - pretty much anything an army in the field would need) and I suspect the Army had busses, too.
Then again, it was only one bus in the video. Maybe law enforcement and security personnel - maybe not from Ft Hood but from San Antonio (where their training is), not that much further away. I dread to think they were trainees being sent to observe - to see how the pros do it.
It would be nice if someone who was there could provide a little insight.@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
There was a SEAL team assigned to Laon Haruchi, the Fed Sniper that shot the Wever’s at the Wever siege. As he was promoted, afterwards.
Funny thing, there’s still twelve empty casings from their hide possession unaccounted for from the Waco siege?
And so on top of this tragedy, we have the Posse Comitatus/ Constitution trampled on! And with no afterward accountability???
Proving that: We don’t get the Government that we want,
But that in which we deserve- Hamilton
Govt corruption is a consistent trait, no matter which party is in power. It just manifests differently depending on who is in power.
The most shocking thing about this story isn't how the govt handled it or how crazy David Koresh was. No, the craziest thing in this story is that there are still followers of his that think he's the Messiah and will come to save them again... YIKES.
I lived through the news of the event.
I had no idea how crazy it was.
Thank you.
I remember this coming on the evening news back then. It was so unreal to see the buildings on fire with people in them.
They smeared Koresh and shut him up by burning down the building then blamed those inside the building for killing themselves.
Thank you for covering this. I actually know one of the servivors of this. But unfortunately he didn't know I knew, so no way I would have ever brought it up. It would have been very interesting to get his perspective.
Anyway, thanks for covering this. Once again, another great video.
Koresh should have been arrested for his sexual wrongdoings. But this was a massacre. Some of the things you failed to mention:
-The video of the tank shooting flames into the compound
-the attenpt to escape through the main door during the fire when the atf opened fire on fleeing children trying to escape the fire.
This video 10:33 (men climbing ladders )through 11:02(man dodging flak) needs to be watched in its original un-cut format
The accusations of “sexual wrongdoing” come from the same people who burned the kids and would later coverup Epstein and his island. I doubt they are true.
Koresh (Vernon Howell) was investigated by the local sheriff's department, and cooperated fully with the investigation. Since the parents consented to letting Koresh have sex with their children, there was no crime. Texas law has been changed to prevent this from happening again.
I was hoping you would follow up Ruby Ridge with the Waco massacre... Great video Colin. thanks...
I lost trust in the Government during Kent State. I was a young child at that time but that started it, this incident and Ruby Ridge solidified it.
In the end, it was a fatal confrontation between "a man who believed that he was the son of God, and a government that believed that it was [is] God."
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
~Tacitus
Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, and there will be more.
I seem to always learn something new with your videos. Have followed this story for many years but this is the first time I’ve heard about them having a meth lab.
Same here. Telling that it was the ATF that raided, as getting a warrant was likely an easier sell to Janet Reno as she is very anti-gun, vs a DEA warrant based on the evidence presented here. The actual truth will likely never be known.
For years I've studied this case/incident, and I've almost always at least felt like & had strong suspicions that drugs were involved and perhaps even that the Branch Davidians were in fact running a meth lab, producing/manufacturing methamphetamine and subsequently then distributing it, as one (of several) of their crucial means of generating revenue for the group. Until this video though, it was always just pure suspicion & speculation on my part, however, now for the first time, a credible source doing the proper & thorough investigation & research, has finally come out and stated it... For years I've looked all over to attempt to verify/corroborate this claim, and found almost nothing. So thanks for the long-awaited answer I was looking for
That was an accusation but I do not believe they ever proved that unless the lab burned up.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL I can partly confirm that. The former owner, Mr Roden, did have a meth lab on site. After David became head of the group, he called the police and had them remove it. When the Siege happened, they made the statement that David had a meth lab, that they knew he did not have, as they literally went to remove it personally. They lied, and used this lie to violate Posse Comitatus and send the tanks in. In a just world, they'd be punished for that act. Sadly, we only live in a world where the Government is allowed to investigate the Government and find the Government did nothing wrong, as they always have, and always will
We rebelled against a king. We can rebel against a bunch of cowards in suits telling us they’re here to help while they rob us blind and do as they please while stomping our toes if we step out of line.
Wacco like the Civil War should always be remembered
I have an issue with what this video says around the 10 minutes, 9 seconds mark, which states that a group of adults and children refused to leave the compound. Children do not refuse to leave of their own accord. They are kept in their location by their parents, and we have a responsibility to protect those children, who are always innocent.
I moved to Minnesota back in 2003. Ended up getting invited to a 7th day Adventist church. I can tell ya from an outsider perspective. The 7th day Adventist is no different then any other Christian denomination. The most extreme about that group is they pray on Saturday not Sunday and they don't eat unclean foods like pork or seafood. I went to the church for over a year. I love myself a good crab or lobster. I love pork chops. I couldn't give that up. But I still went to the church. Nice people there. Not a cult
They don't have the same tenant beliefs as Christians, have their own holy books, so perhaps not a cult, but they are not Christians.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL they study out of the king James bible. The same Bible many other denominations use. You might be thinking of the Jehovah witness. They have their own book they study out of. But even they are Christians because a Christian believes the son of God died for their sins. Jewish and people like that don't believe in the whole Jesus dying for our sins. That's what it means to be a Christian. That you believe the whole Jesus part.
Good people, Desmond Doss, Congressional Medal of Honor 🎖 , ya know
Not a cult??? You say misleading things by suggesting the 7th day Adventist are the sane as the branch Dravidian’s???
The truth is “David” made an offshoot of the branch Dravidians that was an offshoot of the 7th day Adventist.
Do 7th day Adventist believe one of their members is the second coming of Jesus? Do they make this Kesus character the only person allowed to have sex with all the woman of the community??? Do 7th day Adventist have sex with children because god says so???
I have no reason to believe 7th day Adventist are a cult. However their a completely different organization/religion.
You made a strawman argument in a bad way.
“Not a cult”??? Hilarious!!!
@@danielcurtis1434 if the 7th day Adventist church is a cult then so are the Lutheran churches. They believe the exact same way. They study out of the king James bible. Except one church believes you can eat what you want and the 7th day Adventist think there are certain foods that are bad and can't eat. I went to the 7th day Adventist church for over a year for every week. I never heard anything about the church before I went. But going to the church for over a year I can tell you it's no different then most denominations of Christian churches. They study out of the same Bible. They don't believe in sleeping with kids or having multiple wives or anything crazy like that. The most extreme thing they did that I thought was weird was not eat certain foods. Just means allot of them were vegetarians. I know vegetarians can be weird but not a cult.
Thank you. We must never forget what Bill Clinton and Janet Reno did to this nation.
Such a terrible tragedy. The ATF should be abolished and replaced with nothing. Government failing once again
Believe nothing the government says.
It is a sad shame that no government official was ever held accountable for causing the death of so many innocent lives.
This is definitely not forgotten history for me!
Thanks as always 😢 government handled it terribly sad because beauracrates are never held accountable
As always, thanks for keeping these kinds of stories alive
I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist.
The ole extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all.
That and despise cult leaders taking advantage of troubled people and their weaknesses.
However, I watched the final siege in real time.
Til this day, I'm absolutely convinced that the government burned them all out to "teach us lesson" for what happens if you stand up that strongly to the government.
As far as who shot first is clear. The ATF lost all their footage with the video cameras they used that day. Also lost the front door showing all the bullet holes going in instead of out. They called it a compound instead of a church. To sway public opinion. All they had to do was wait them out. Instead on the windiest day. Started punching holes all threw the church with a tank. Filling the place with CS gas. Knowing children are inside. Do you know CS gas turns to cyanide when burned? Do you why they strap down and bagthe prisoner head in the death chamber? It's not to keep from escaping. Cyanide will cause muscles to contract to the point of breaking bones. The head can actually twist around backwards. The children in the bunker of the church bodies were contorted and some of their were backwards...
They also shot people who tried to escape the fire, the few survivors there was only lived because they came out in the side the long range news cameras could see, all the others were shot down, there is thermal footage from a plane overhead that shows the atf murdering anyone who got outside of the fire.
I was looking for a chief of my investigative division when a former ATF agent told me his most important moment. Was being the ATF agent in charge of Waco. Later I counseled him that he should revise his answer in the future He couldn’t understand why…..
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I believe NOTHING the US government says....ask Randy Weaver.
May you do a deep dive into the facts now known about Mena, Arkansas and the "2 Boys on the Tracks" ?
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He's already poked that bear enough. Maybe lay off of Arkansas and those from there before becoming "suicidal"?
After Rosen was shot, the Sheriff and a single deputy drove out to arrest Koresh and group leaders. They cooperated completely.
If you look at the video of the initial assault, you see the Feds hiding behind vehicles while blindly firing, but there are no signs of any fire from inside the building. Once the Feds were out of ammo, shooting stopped and the Feds were able to leave.
The FBI "lost" the steel door that would have showed which direction the first rounds had come from.
The government was completely wrong in this event and also in the Ruby Ridge attack! Government just over react to everything
Visited the compound site and it is heavy with sadness
I heard horrible stories about Janet Reno. She was basically the devil incarnate.
Great content Colin! And great fly collars! (Still wanna buy one from ya).
I'm commenting a bunch to juice the algorithm.
My very close family member was on site when Levoy Finnicum was killed (ambushed). I think that event would make for a good episode.
I would like to see an episode themed around the Massacre Trail in Northern Kentucky. The Trail links the sites of the last three massacres of settlers in Kentucky, in 1781,1786, and 1789.
We lived in Central Texas, i went on military manuevers for a month and came back ( it was still on the television every day )..Watched the ending from home,,,It was a really HOT summer, they turned the electric off ( those poor people must of been sweating badly)..some of our military vehicles were used in the raid (?),,Sad deal
They had every right to be left alone .
When people say “why do you Neeeeeed an AR-15!?!? Do you really think the government is going to attack us !?!” 🙄