Yeah it is way better to use Premiere for captions. I guess some soul is lost but this is RUclips Shorts I don't think there was much soul to begin with.
@ajizel13 We also had legitimate gamers in journalism reviewing the games to let us know if it sucked not the political activists we have now that can't even complete a tutorial stage 😂
Me too. The controls do not take away from the experience because the play area is still pretty big in a lot of levels and you can avoid certain habits that lead to wonky controls making you fall off
@@goingnutzz sonic A 1 and 2, and Sonic 06 aren’t that fast. Sonic man is faster than Sonic in 06. And none of the games actual sonic speed is faster than that of a turtle
@@alanbareiro6806 I played the game on the PS2 when I was a kid, beat all the stories except the Final one. Speed characters were incredibly tricky to control, downright unwieldly at times. The controls were way too sensitive
@@ajgameguy3674 Yeah I also played the PC version. Don't get me wrong, it was fun at times, but the controls launch your characters forward towards an edge and you fell sometimes.
Everyone here is debating over "Skill issues," but I'm over here just disappointed that there was no "explained" here. I thought he was gonna go into the background of why the controls are like this from the game development or sum lol
It could be a rushed development scenario, the new formula for this particular game, or just bad luck when it came to how good the controls were. It is likely not some big history behind the controls, but the first two could be plausible, especially the new formula. I could be wrong, but the controls don't have some quirk about them that yells out they were supposed to be better
@adamspeiser6449 I had never thought there would be any big history behind it either until I saw "Sonic Heroes Terrible Controls Explained" and thought "you mean there's LORE behind this??😮😮" But yes your explanations are the most likely scenarios.
@@adamspeiser6449I don’t think it was rushed since it took 20 months to develop which was a decent amount of time back then. That said they also had to learn how to develop for Xbox, PS2, and GameCube. Plus learn how renderware worked
Heroes is a legitimately difficult Sonic game, partly because of the controls and partly because of the choke points/bullshit enemy placements in the latter half of the game. To answer the question about why Sonic feels so slippery though, is because his acceleration and speed are literally just doubled from Adventure 1. They doubled the parameter for acceleration and speed, you can see this for yourself whenever you go through a scripted loop. ( The final one in Seaside Hill before the Goal Ring being a notable example. ) Adding to this, the PC port of Heroes has NO speed cap to speak of, so Sonic will clip through objects with alarming frequency once he's going fast enough due to the doubled speed. You can also trigger this yourself on console by spamming the kick/rocket accel as you come out of a loop into a spring. Sonic will zip right through it because he's going too fast.
Honestly, I dont think controls are fully at fault. Slippery is fine if you have an area to stress and compensate for it. Levels were also at fault to some degree. Pathways should be wider, levels should be able to compensate for your speeds (vines for example) I think having a couple pace breakers are fine so you can utilize the other characters more. Think of it like a break after just speeding across a long road. I like the insane speeds. Feeling fast should be a priority to a sonic game, something I feel even Frontiers fails at
I managed to get A rank on everything and I still claim these controls were irresponsible. Not a skill issue, there's a reason this shit was forgotten by anyone who isn't a fan of the franchise
@@Kill_Binho Ooph, definitely a skill issue 💯% just cuz u get all A ranks doesn’t mean mastered the controls. U could go super slow in that game, and be as careful as possible and still get an A rank. Also not forgotten, and u know it, but if u want to forget it then move along ✌️
@@reddemon6668 I mean, come on. Saying skill issue to every single comment that dares to say that Heroes has flaws is too much. A game can still be good or at least decent in spite of its flaws. Acting like Heroes is some perfect game that nobody can ever criticize is obnoxious.
@@ajgameguy3674 it’s not perfect, just cuz people got skill issues doesn’t mean the game is perfect. Some glitches here and there, ring light speed dash can be jank at times, switching rails requires one not to hold forward or boost to do so, omega attacking slides way too much, enemies can’t be attacked inside speed type created tornado, one shouldn’t rocket excel on any loops or automated sections, chaotix missions can be a drag, special stage controls are just the worst, casino pinball roll is a bit too difficult to control, and the croc section sucks Speed type running speed though is great, level design is one of the best the series has seen so far, the overall combat, abilities, lvl up system, character switching are good.
Actually power characters aren't required to push or pull switches. You can use speed characters. Also you have to use flying characters to push the switches in the air.
Power characters are best for grounded switches, since flying characters can only pull elevated switches and speed characters will fling them all over the place if you press the button and aren't in the right spot.
100% correct on the puzzles, i got so tired of watching the tornado animation and constantly needing to switch characters to do one singular action, like flying over a 'just tall enough' wall, or dealing with enemies that NEED to be dealt with specific characters, it's all so tedious
The shooting ones were annoying, but some other ones were not too bad, especially enemies since speed can quickly do it if you were at level 3 because the homing attack had tornado properties. This made going on the poles and flipping enemies and their shields a little more fun
Sonic being harder to control is kind of the point. You have two characters with slower speeds but more manageable traction, so if you want to go fast, you have to know what you're doing with Sonic. Also, you can stop knuckles from sliding by letting go of the stick. If you ONLY press the attack button, he jabs while only moving an inch at a time. Hope this helps
As someone who plays on the pc port, I can say this is so cap. Once you get a feel for the movement, the game feels so good to control, especially when you learn to maintain the momentum when switching characters. Also each character has a purpose, sonic is meant to be fast, knuckles is meant to deal with enemies quick, tails is meant to help you get your beaerngs, get to higher areas and save you form bottomless pits Yes, the game does have problems. However, it is more than playable. Tldr: Learn the movement and becomes confident in your inputs
Along with no video game skill, you clearly have no English comprehension skill either. It's not that they couldn't beat the game, it's that the game's design sucks.
It’s arguable that controlling your character shouldn’t be a demanding skill. Doing so well and fluidly, using advanced tech maybe, but not going in the direction you want to go.
Dudes, yes, i know that the acceleration of the speed characters is off the charts and i know Heroes is a janky game. However the speed characters are literally 1/3 of the controls and you are not expected to do platforming with them. Knux a ground attack that can send you to a bottomless pit, but he also has a versatile air attack. Also power formation isn't the only combat option, you also have the tornado and the thunder shoot, making the whole thing more balanced and manageable. The game could have been better? Yes. The game is clearly rushed? Yes. But critcism needs to at least engage with the proposal of mechanics. If you are against a button to switch characters and didn't understand that it needs to be used all the time, then say you don't like the mechanic and discuss the pros and cons of that. But here you are just mixing things poorly
Adventure 1 and 2 had the controls down. Why is it that the game that comes after makes you lose control of the characters easily? This game isnt very well optimized and it failed to make a good game with good control.
My first console game. I didn't have the concept of "pace breakers" back then. At first I was too scared to lose control as Sonic but as I got better, I mastered controlling the Blue Blue.
Other comments here are mind-numbing. Heroes has really stiff controls as a result of having stunted adventure physics (Sonic's acceleration is doubled). Being discontent with the feel of the game isn't a skill issue; the physics in this game are very poor and rushed.
Being discontent with the game isn’t a skill issue, it’s a matter of opinion, which is in contrast to a fact, which is that u suck at the game, then blame it for your poor gameplay skills.
Sonic's acceleration is increased to differentiate the characters, Sonic is a speed type, speed type characters are mainly focused on that, if you want to go with less acceleration, switch to Knuckles or Tails, it's that simple. The game makes it clear when to use each type, it even changes them automatically, you have to use your head a bit, obviously you won't use a speed type for platforming, you can do that but then don't complain that it's difficult or that you're going too fast.
@@reddemon6668 it’s funny that yall default to that anytime someone criticize a game you like. I beat this game as a 7 year old easier than any other game in the series to that point. The controls still aren’t good 😂
I’m not sure how explaining why video game controls are bad equates to being dumb. I love this game and I will be the first to admit its controls suck. But most Sonic fans just can’t take any kind of constructive criticism well.
Recently both SA 1 and 2 on my Xbox, those two being the first 3D Sonic games I’ve ever played (I barely played a 2D one on my mom’s genesis when I was a kid). When I first started playing I despised the janky controls, especially the the camera. But I learned to get used to them and I actually love planning the Sonic levels the most!
Sonic Heroes was actually my first Sonic game and it was likely similar. After figuring out the controls, it was not too bad and felt much better to play overall
The issue with the "different characters are for platforming" is they nerfed Sonic for this to be the case he controlled fine in the other games but this just strips him to the spectacle guy that goes fast on occasion and that's just not it
I finished game and I didn’t have much issues with the controls. The game just likes to kick your ass with its difficulty and very tight A rank requirements
Geez these critics really love bitching about everything, "yeah I opened up this cheeto bag but it only has 70 cheetos when the average bag is supposed to have 71 cheetos based on sampling the average population of that of which is consumed" lmfaoooo
I'd love the idea for alternate endings to levels, reminds me of Shadow the Hedgehog 2005's level design that helps make the levels feel like actual areas you're exploring and reacting to
I agree. It doesn’t seem like the level design was made with the acceleration in mind when games like SA1 and SA2 were. It’s not a skill issue, it’s just developer oversight.
Shocked by the the amount of ppl defending the controls. I beat this game as a child as well and, even then, I knew the controls of the game were shit. Especially on ps2 lol
Every one of this guys videos is filled with rage comments defending this game. I've commented on a few and played the game again last night... it was so frustrating I turned it off and put metroid prime in instead 😂
@@theu20092010 I wouldn't really call it nostalgia. I never had problems with heroes as a kid, similarly I never ran into the glitches ppl complain about in sonic 06. so I feel its people like me were its like. "the controls are bad? really?" and "it had bugs? I never saw any." So I can see why someone would call it a skill issue if as children alot of us didn't even notice it was bad... then again I remember my cousin being unable to beat the game and asking me to do it despite me being younger so im just assuming some of us were just built for heroes controls.
Honestly, falling is a problem in a lot of modern Sonic games. Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, 06, Unleashed, Generations, they all have some variations of things that shouldn't make you fall to your death but does it anyway.
It was not too bad if you had a good start. The times I got them were usually times I got them in like 15 seconds or less since your boost speed is more than enough to quickly close the gap. If you hit spikes and get to tougher parts, then I agree it is the hardest, but ones like Sonic 2 were tougher in my opinion
Using team rose and the power character actually makes collecting the chaos emeralds not to bad. Collecting the keys is the most nerve wrecking thing though
I did love this game, but I remember playing it when it came out and noticing the controls were a lot worse than SA2. I used to think it was because it went to the PS2, Xbox and GameCube 😂 because SA2 controls were on point, looking back though I appreciate this game. Except for the pinball level.
Weakness. No, in all fairness, this game just cannot handle inertia. The turtles in Ocean Palace always make me nervous, despite being only the second stage, because if you’re sailing through the air with a speed character, there’s a coin toss’ chance you’re gonna throw yourself off the edge with momentum
I miss the days when everyone just knew this game wasn’t good before all the people who played it as kids grew up and started blindly defending it out of nostalgia
Easier to say now since you are better with the controls, but I guess that does prove that you can get used to the controls. I still personally dislike them a bit, but I am glad that you are having an easier time than others
@@adamspeiser6449 I don't really know, like I said I played this game for the first time this year, and when I tried the controls I didn't find them so bad, they were functional enough. I don't know if it depends on the version of the game, because as I said I played it on Xbox, which is the second best version of the game, while on Ps2 and PC the game has many problems
I can tell this person grew up in the soft era lol he wouldnt have survived early Donkey Kong Super Mario Rayman and Zelda days if these are his complains
@adamspeiser6449 okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I'm tired of people defending this game and completely ignoring every plot hole, fucked up physics and second worst voice acting in the series.
Maybe more fun, but likely not more polished. I cannot say much since I have not played frontiers, but I will say that behind the jank controls of heroes is a fun idea that came with fun moments
This probably has to do with renderware being an engine for racing games. The early 2000s GTA games had very clunky movement as well, and speedrunners will know about the replay glitch that allows you to zoom off uncontrollably.
I literally not even trolling was on Rail Canyon. I just grabbed the key and the section where you have to use Tails to go over the fence and break the machines to hit the switches. I was literally so scared to use Knucles on that tiny platform because if I fall. I lose the key to the Special Stage and I can’t get it back. I use the punch and i slide off the stage.
I stick to the first fireball hit where the characters spin around you. It is no different from the movement of a normal jump and will destroy the containers. Safe, easy, and effective
Truthfully I didn't mind this game too much, in fact I rarher liked Heroes, despite it getting the reputation of the "jumping the shark" game for Sonic fans. I think it could benefit from a remake fixing it's flaws though. I loved swinging on poles lol.
I beat this game when i was 10 and beat it again when i was 18. And the crying about sonic being too fast. Im just gonna say, huge skill issues my boy.
The only thing is that Heroes promoted the puzzle aspect more than the speed aspect from the start by allowing you to switch to characters that are not fast. Teams like Team Rose have a speed character that is inherently slower too, so that was not their main goal if I were to wager. They do have fast spots though, and perhaps it is disorienting to stop out of nowhere to solve a puzzle while you expect to be going fast
The team blast after effects were hints on how you were supposed to use the teams. (As the meter drains certain effects take place) Also each team has different motion mechanics to match the theme of the team. (The bonus world emerald chasing showcases this with which ever team it felt better getting the emeralds with) Team heroes was the last to show up to the end game scenario.(Neo metal sonic even says something mid game to suggest that they are the last team to be encountered after the grind rail valley lvl) pair that with how reckless this team functions and it starts making sense as to why this team can feel sloppy, it matches the way they think and the fact that team heroes was the last to figure out what was going on and had "3 days" to hastily make it to the egg fleet.
It is a learning curve afapting to how the sored characters move. And judging the attack type to use as power characters. Usually, jumping and soamming the skam attack was better
If you press the attack button rapidly as Knuckles he starts doing a barrage of quick fists, which helps limit his movement (this doesn't work with other Power characters though).
I remember finally playing this game. My neighbor though the game was broke and gave it to me. Had to clean the disk like a mf because they were licking it. When I finally got it to work I was so excited
What I am noticing is everyone saying "skill issue" are lowkey brain numbed fanboys who will defend every aspect of this game despite it being one of the worst to play Sonic games Just because you can adjust to controls doesn't mean they aren't bad, it just means you can adjust to them
It's called having the mental capacity to actually learn the mechanics, learn how to air brake, learn how to chain jumps and attacks together, Caddicarus' video explains how to actually play the game.
@@Cade_Squirrel No, it's called being a braindead fanboy and deflecting criticism out of sheer ego and immaturity. It doesn't matter if you've adjusted to the controls or learned various tricks within their framework; they're still shitty and broken. Only arrogant sheep and mouthy brats dismiss this stuff so readily and pompously.
This. I loved this game as a kid, and even I had some obnoxious moments or downright bs deaths that annoyed me. Thank god I never cared about A ranking. Like, people can still like stuff that has flaws. I don't know why they're losing it because some folks think the controls were kinda wacky in Heroes, especially compared to SA1 and 2.
@@Cade_SquirrelI have every single A rank in this game. I can still confidently say these controls are broken. Every time I touch a spring I switch to fly formation just in case I unexpectedly fly off the stage, because the game does this a lot. Look no further than the special stages. I can see your argument for people that are great at adjusting to slippery controls, but the general audience isn’t going to be able to. I’ve been playing with my girlfriend and her main complaint was “there is no reason that im more concerned about falling than the enemies.” There is a huge difference between hard controls and hard gameplay.
It is usually in specific scenarios where they slide around, so it can be controlled. The only issue is when you are forced into the land of butter by attacking enemies with Knuckles or falling from high heights and using speed boosts. Some things are avoidable given the game has multiple routes and solutions to issues
Jumping around a bit more helps since the air attack with power formation is useful and won't have you fall off, and jumping in speed formeation will have you lose some speed, but you can easily get it back
I knew something felt off. Even as a child, something always felt incredibly wrong about the way this game played, Especially when compared to sonic adventure 2. I can never quite describe it in words like you have here, But I never quite felt in control of the characters
Sonic Heroes is great man, accept it lol. you just showed the bad aspects of it, and Knuckles being slower than Sonic is obvious. If Knuckles was fast too, Sonic would lose his purpose in the game
I could hear so many "Shit! Rough! Eyagh!" just watching this vid. Somehow I found this game more fun to play than SA2, but I think that was due to stage variety, less attempts at being "dark", and the music. Yeah, the controls were pretty rough. And shit. And eyagh.
He think he cooked, but didn't. We all know Sonic Heroes could control a little ass some times, but it's still extremely fun and once tou get the pace the levels are extremely frenetic and epic! Only thing that can really get bad in this game is the bugs that make you fail some automated sections, aside from that, it's fun from point to point
You see an old game with terrible controls. I see a classic rage-game that existed before the likes of Only Up, Getting Over It, or even Jump King. 🌈Perspective ✨️😌
i love the aesthetic of sonic heroes. I truly do... but when my character controls like they've got butter under their shoes, then its hard to really enjoy those good vibes it can offer. It's still a great looking game though. 👍
@JoseGregorioValeroVillarroel Spamming the attack button as Knuckles WITHOUT pressing the analog stick. You do short, fast punches. The "wide arc" punches are actually homing shots meant to close the distance between you an an enemy, like in SA2.
Part of what makes games fun is less than amazing controls, thus making the game way harder and making skill much more important. In some cases it ruins the game, but blasting at insane speeds with Sonic for me was totally worth it
They could have made it harder in other ways than that of blaming the game. I still agree with your statement, though I wish the controls were a bit better
old games dont get patches. we just learned how to play them.
It was called "git gud"
it is getting a remaster tho...
@ajizel13 We also had legitimate gamers in journalism reviewing the games to let us know if it sucked not the political activists we have now that can't even complete a tutorial stage 😂
@@That_Guy- shut up
@@That_Guy-gross exaggeration on certain parts of that but yeah, IGN sucks.
Friendly reminder that everyone can push those switches, and Knuckles only slides while punching if you move while punching
yeah it confused me so much cause i dont think i ever pushed the switch as knuckles ever.
The guy is just a hater
Omega is the one who slides around the stage when punching. At least knuckles has a mini 1,2 you can spam by tapping b without moving
@@lewis2015honestly you can also jump attack to avoid the slide attack.
@@RikusonOne Do you actually know what hating is??
As a kid i didn't care for the poor controls. I still had a fun playing it.
Fr, sonic fans critic three games way too much
Me too. The controls do not take away from the experience because the play area is still pretty big in a lot of levels and you can avoid certain habits that lead to wonky controls making you fall off
Facts
I'm also sure that we tend to forget the struggles we had in these games, only good memories remain(unless there were more negatives)
People are too critical of Sonic games for way too much lol. Heroes is a nice enough game at the end of the day.
The biggest enemy in this game are the bottomless pits. 97% of your death are this
I like Sonic Heroes but the speed momentum definitely felt slippery. A remaster that adjusts this would help a lot.
Especially after landing from a high height. You just slip to somewhere you don't want to be
I think a remake would be much more appreciated.
*BREAKING NEWS: THE SPEED TYPE CHARACTER IS FAST, BE CAREFUL, HE ACTUALLY GOES FAST!*
Every other game in sth series character is also fast, but controls better than in sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog.
@@goingnutzzThank you someone who understands it is black and white.
@@goingnutzz sonic A 1 and 2, and Sonic 06 aren’t that fast. Sonic man is faster than Sonic in 06. And none of the games actual sonic speed is faster than that of a turtle
Yeah but the level designs are designed too poorly for the speed character
@@Babyboy12342-v usually cuz ur meant to use a different character in those sections
Heroe's has slippery controls definetly but it's not as bad as you're claiming
As someone who played this game quite a bit, let's not fool ourselves. They are really bad.
@@alanbareiro6806 I played the game on the PS2 when I was a kid, beat all the stories except the Final one. Speed characters were incredibly tricky to control, downright unwieldly at times. The controls were way too sensitive
@@ajgameguy3674 Yeah I also played the PC version. Don't get me wrong, it was fun at times, but the controls launch your characters forward towards an edge and you fell sometimes.
It’s really bad dawg
Theres a PC version? @@alanbareiro6806
Everyone here is debating over "Skill issues," but I'm over here just disappointed that there was no "explained" here. I thought he was gonna go into the background of why the controls are like this from the game development or sum lol
It could be a rushed development scenario, the new formula for this particular game, or just bad luck when it came to how good the controls were. It is likely not some big history behind the controls, but the first two could be plausible, especially the new formula. I could be wrong, but the controls don't have some quirk about them that yells out they were supposed to be better
@adamspeiser6449 I had never thought there would be any big history behind it either until I saw "Sonic Heroes Terrible Controls Explained" and thought "you mean there's LORE behind this??😮😮" But yes your explanations are the most likely scenarios.
@@adamspeiser6449I don’t think it was rushed since it took 20 months to develop which was a decent amount of time back then. That said they also had to learn how to develop for Xbox, PS2, and GameCube. Plus learn how renderware worked
Heroes is a legitimately difficult Sonic game, partly because of the controls and partly because of the choke points/bullshit enemy placements in the latter half of the game.
To answer the question about why Sonic feels so slippery though, is because his acceleration and speed are literally just doubled from Adventure 1. They doubled the parameter for acceleration and speed, you can see this for yourself whenever you go through a scripted loop. ( The final one in Seaside Hill before the Goal Ring being a notable example. ) Adding to this, the PC port of Heroes has NO speed cap to speak of, so Sonic will clip through objects with alarming frequency once he's going fast enough due to the doubled speed. You can also trigger this yourself on console by spamming the kick/rocket accel as you come out of a loop into a spring. Sonic will zip right through it because he's going too fast.
Honestly, I dont think controls are fully at fault. Slippery is fine if you have an area to stress and compensate for it. Levels were also at fault to some degree. Pathways should be wider, levels should be able to compensate for your speeds (vines for example)
I think having a couple pace breakers are fine so you can utilize the other characters more. Think of it like a break after just speeding across a long road. I like the insane speeds. Feeling fast should be a priority to a sonic game, something I feel even Frontiers fails at
I managed to get A rank on everything and I still claim these controls were irresponsible. Not a skill issue, there's a reason this shit was forgotten by anyone who isn't a fan of the franchise
@@Kill_Binho Ooph, definitely a skill issue 💯%
just cuz u get all A ranks doesn’t mean mastered the controls. U could go super slow in that game, and be as careful as possible and still get an A rank. Also not forgotten, and u know it, but if u want to forget it then move along ✌️
@@reddemon6668You're trying way too hard.
@@ajgameguy3674 ur comment is useless
@@reddemon6668 I mean, come on. Saying skill issue to every single comment that dares to say that Heroes has flaws is too much. A game can still be good or at least decent in spite of its flaws. Acting like Heroes is some perfect game that nobody can ever criticize is obnoxious.
@@ajgameguy3674 it’s not perfect, just cuz people got skill issues doesn’t mean the game is perfect. Some glitches here and there, ring light speed dash can be jank at times, switching rails requires one not to hold forward or boost to do so, omega attacking slides way too much, enemies can’t be attacked inside speed type created tornado, one shouldn’t rocket excel on any loops or automated sections, chaotix missions can be a drag, special stage controls are just the worst, casino pinball roll is a bit too difficult to control, and the croc section sucks
Speed type running speed though is great, level design is one of the best the series has seen so far, the overall combat, abilities, lvl up system, character switching are good.
I loved the game as a kid and I still do, this is peak.
Monotony is not a word I would use to describe Sonic Heroes
You have to play the same 14 stages and 7 boss fights 4 different times, with slight variations from each other
You’re telling us, how many times since you were a kid did you have to play this game to come to an opinion like that😂
Why would you play a game so much that you resent it?
The opening theme is 🔥 tho
Yeah no one can argue against that part. Certified banger
Actually power characters aren't required to push or pull switches. You can use speed characters. Also you have to use flying characters to push the switches in the air.
Power characters are best for grounded switches, since flying characters can only pull elevated switches and speed characters will fling them all over the place if you press the button and aren't in the right spot.
@@ajgameguy3674 that is fair, but it is not too bad once you get used to the timing
@@ajgameguy3674But you DO not realize that there's the B button prompt that will let you know you can grab something. 😂
100% correct on the puzzles, i got so tired of watching the tornado animation and constantly needing to switch characters to do one singular action, like flying over a 'just tall enough' wall, or dealing with enemies that NEED to be dealt with specific characters, it's all so tedious
The shooting ones were annoying, but some other ones were not too bad, especially enemies since speed can quickly do it if you were at level 3 because the homing attack had tornado properties. This made going on the poles and flipping enemies and their shields a little more fun
Everyone loves to rag on this game, but I still think it's fun as hell, I even like the speed. I don't really have any issues with it
Sonic being harder to control is kind of the point. You have two characters with slower speeds but more manageable traction, so if you want to go fast, you have to know what you're doing with Sonic. Also, you can stop knuckles from sliding by letting go of the stick. If you ONLY press the attack button, he jabs while only moving an inch at a time. Hope this helps
As someone who plays on the pc port, I can say this is so cap. Once you get a feel for the movement, the game feels so good to control, especially when you learn to maintain the momentum when switching characters. Also each character has a purpose, sonic is meant to be fast, knuckles is meant to deal with enemies quick, tails is meant to help you get your beaerngs, get to higher areas and save you form bottomless pits Yes, the game does have problems. However, it is more than playable. Tldr: Learn the movement and becomes confident in your inputs
If I, a dumb-ass with no video game skill could manage this master piece of a game as a literal child, then you can as an adult. 😅
Along with no video game skill, you clearly have no English comprehension skill either. It's not that they couldn't beat the game, it's that the game's design sucks.
You should probably watch the whole video before saying smth like this
Apparently anything is a masterpiece now huh
Masterpiece?
Wow. This game a masterpiece? You're a comedian
I ranked A on every stage. I never complained about the controls tbh. But that was what we had back then
95 percent of this is skill issue pal
It’s arguable that controlling your character shouldn’t be a demanding skill. Doing so well and fluidly, using advanced tech maybe, but not going in the direction you want to go.
Skill issue stuff shouldn’t be because of unpredictable controls, and mastery really shouldn’t be expected from most players.
Dudes, yes, i know that the acceleration of the speed characters is off the charts and i know Heroes is a janky game. However the speed characters are literally 1/3 of the controls and you are not expected to do platforming with them. Knux a ground attack that can send you to a bottomless pit, but he also has a versatile air attack. Also power formation isn't the only combat option, you also have the tornado and the thunder shoot, making the whole thing more balanced and manageable.
The game could have been better? Yes. The game is clearly rushed? Yes. But critcism needs to at least engage with the proposal of mechanics. If you are against a button to switch characters and didn't understand that it needs to be used all the time, then say you don't like the mechanic and discuss the pros and cons of that. But here you are just mixing things poorly
yeah, playing heroes growing up this stuff isn't really an issue since the control and movement is muscle memory
Adventure 1 and 2 had the controls down. Why is it that the game that comes after makes you lose control of the characters easily? This game isnt very well optimized and it failed to make a good game with good control.
My first console game.
I didn't have the concept of "pace breakers" back then.
At first I was too scared to lose control as Sonic but as I got better, I mastered controlling the Blue Blue.
Other comments here are mind-numbing.
Heroes has really stiff controls as a result of having stunted adventure physics (Sonic's acceleration is doubled).
Being discontent with the feel of the game isn't a skill issue; the physics in this game are very poor and rushed.
Not only is his acceleration doubled but his ability to stop on a dime like we’ve seen in countless games is none existent
Being discontent with the game isn’t a skill issue, it’s a matter of opinion, which is in contrast to a fact, which is that u suck at the game, then blame it for your poor gameplay skills.
Sonic's acceleration is increased to differentiate the characters, Sonic is a speed type, speed type characters are mainly focused on that, if you want to go with less acceleration, switch to Knuckles or Tails, it's that simple.
The game makes it clear when to use each type, it even changes them automatically, you have to use your head a bit, obviously you won't use a speed type for platforming, you can do that but then don't complain that it's difficult or that you're going too fast.
@@reddemon6668 it’s funny that yall default to that anytime someone criticize a game you like. I beat this game as a 7 year old easier than any other game in the series to that point. The controls still aren’t good 😂
People defending this game is infuriating, the game have trash gameplay, bad controls and poor story
Agree. It's part of why I don't go back to this game very often.
This kind of is a skill issue and you are SUPPOSED to change characters for different situations. That's part of how the game was designed.
this dude is one of the people who needs the yellow spray paint in naughty dog games.
I’m not sure how explaining why video game controls are bad equates to being dumb. I love this game and I will be the first to admit its controls suck. But most Sonic fans just can’t take any kind of constructive criticism well.
Recently both SA 1 and 2 on my Xbox, those two being the first 3D Sonic games I’ve ever played (I barely played a 2D one on my mom’s genesis when I was a kid). When I first started playing I despised the janky controls, especially the the camera. But I learned to get used to them and I actually love planning the Sonic levels the most!
Sonic Heroes was actually my first Sonic game and it was likely similar. After figuring out the controls, it was not too bad and felt much better to play overall
Bro…. Forgot the entire premise of the game
The controls weren’t that bad for me as a kid. Maybe I’m misremembering or maybe it’s because I played the Xbox version.
You are
Had the GC version. No problems as a child.
I played on the GameCube and to my knowledge the controls weren’t bad at all.
They aren't that bad though it also can be that as kids we have way more tolerance for janky controls than as adults.
The same for me, after playing in the gamecube version, the XBOX version felt more stable
Look, I'm not usually that type of guy, but genuinely, skill issue.
That's not how knuckles' punch works
Sonic heroes was still fantastic. So much variety in levels, characters , and cinematics
It's possible to still get A ranks in this game by doing leaps of faith while being the flight captain
Lol. I think I know what you mean
The issue with the "different characters are for platforming" is they nerfed Sonic for this to be the case he controlled fine in the other games but this just strips him to the spectacle guy that goes fast on occasion and that's just not it
Most people saying the controls are good havent played the game
They are not good in my opinion, but they can be mastered
@Tdhdchu On GameCube and Xbox the controls are decent, and I'm not just saying that, I played both versions
I finished game and I didn’t have much issues with the controls. The game just likes to kick your ass with its difficulty and very tight A rank requirements
Geez these critics really love bitching about everything, "yeah I opened up this cheeto bag but it only has 70 cheetos when the average bag is supposed to have 71 cheetos based on sampling the average population of that of which is consumed" lmfaoooo
No more random remasters until Sonic Adventure 2 gets one. How Generations got a remaster before Adventure 2 is mind-boggling to me.
I'd love the idea for alternate endings to levels, reminds me of Shadow the Hedgehog 2005's level design that helps make the levels feel like actual areas you're exploring and reacting to
You can avoid doing the slide punch by not touching the stick while attacking
"Too fast in this game"
Purposely falls off as Amy.
Argument invalid
I agree. It doesn’t seem like the level design was made with the acceleration in mind when games like SA1 and SA2 were. It’s not a skill issue, it’s just developer oversight.
Shocked by the the amount of ppl defending the controls. I beat this game as a child as well and, even then, I knew the controls of the game were shit. Especially on ps2 lol
Fanboys, blinded by nostalgia
Every one of this guys videos is filled with rage comments defending this game. I've commented on a few and played the game again last night... it was so frustrating I turned it off and put metroid prime in instead 😂
@@theu20092010 I wouldn't really call it nostalgia. I never had problems with heroes as a kid, similarly I never ran into the glitches ppl complain about in sonic 06.
so I feel its people like me were its like.
"the controls are bad? really?"
and
"it had bugs? I never saw any."
So I can see why someone would call it a skill issue if as children alot of us didn't even notice it was bad...
then again I remember my cousin being unable to beat the game and asking me to do it despite me being younger so im just assuming some of us were just built for heroes controls.
Honestly, falling is a problem in a lot of modern Sonic games. Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, 06, Unleashed, Generations, they all have some variations of things that shouldn't make you fall to your death but does it anyway.
Getting good at this game takes trial and error, sadly. And this is coming from someone who loved _Heroes_ growing up.
This was the hardest sonic game of all time getting the chaos emeralds were hard af to obtain alone
It was not too bad if you had a good start. The times I got them were usually times I got them in like 15 seconds or less since your boost speed is more than enough to quickly close the gap. If you hit spikes and get to tougher parts, then I agree it is the hardest, but ones like Sonic 2 were tougher in my opinion
Using team rose and the power character actually makes collecting the chaos emeralds not to bad. Collecting the keys is the most nerve wrecking thing though
I did love this game, but I remember playing it when it came out and noticing the controls were a lot worse than SA2. I used to think it was because it went to the PS2, Xbox and GameCube 😂 because SA2 controls were on point, looking back though I appreciate this game. Except for the pinball level.
It’s not that he’s too fast it’s that the controls are too slippery.
Omfg I was replaying the past few weeks and this is so true. Sonic/Shadow and Omega/Knuckles are a trainwreck to play with
Weakness.
No, in all fairness, this game just cannot handle inertia. The turtles in Ocean Palace always make me nervous, despite being only the second stage, because if you’re sailing through the air with a speed character, there’s a coin toss’ chance you’re gonna throw yourself off the edge with momentum
Finally, someone gets it I thought I was the only one who hated the controls
I miss the days when everyone just knew this game wasn’t good before all the people who played it as kids grew up and started blindly defending it out of nostalgia
Honestly sonics speed wouldn’t bother me if there wasn’t so much stopping and starting in these levels
I played this game on the Xbox version for the first time this year and I can safely say that the controls are not bad.
Easier to say now since you are better with the controls, but I guess that does prove that you can get used to the controls. I still personally dislike them a bit, but I am glad that you are having an easier time than others
@@adamspeiser6449 I don't really know, like I said I played this game for the first time this year, and when I tried the controls I didn't find them so bad, they were functional enough.
I don't know if it depends on the version of the game, because as I said I played it on Xbox, which is the second best version of the game, while on Ps2 and PC the game has many problems
I can tell this person grew up in the soft era lol he wouldnt have survived early Donkey Kong Super Mario Rayman and Zelda days if these are his complains
Finally someone who doesn't glaze Sonic Heroes over non-existent positives
I think there are positives, but not the ones people are trying to prove
@adamspeiser6449 okay, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I'm tired of people defending this game and completely ignoring every plot hole, fucked up physics and second worst voice acting in the series.
hmm It's almost like the whole point of this game was to find the best time to use each teammate or something... God...
I loved this game as a kid and recently tried sonic frontiers. i honestly think Heroes’ controls and movement are substantially more fun.
Maybe more fun, but likely not more polished. I cannot say much since I have not played frontiers, but I will say that behind the jank controls of heroes is a fun idea that came with fun moments
@@adamspeiser6449and Shitty Sa2 isn't jank? Lol, heroes. Homing attack is 100 times better
This probably has to do with renderware being an engine for racing games. The early 2000s GTA games had very clunky movement as well, and speedrunners will know about the replay glitch that allows you to zoom off uncontrollably.
Sonic heroes terrible controls explained
*proceeds to explain absolutely nothing*
I literally not even trolling was on Rail Canyon. I just grabbed the key and the section where you have to use Tails to go over the fence and break the machines to hit the switches. I was literally so scared to use Knucles on that tiny platform because if I fall. I lose the key to the Special Stage and I can’t get it back. I use the punch and i slide off the stage.
I stick to the first fireball hit where the characters spin around you. It is no different from the movement of a normal jump and will destroy the containers. Safe, easy, and effective
sonic hereoes was much better than the next 2 games lmao. And sonic heroes worst part was team chaotic, hunting for fkin crabs or some shit.
Truthfully I didn't mind this game too much, in fact I rarher liked Heroes, despite it getting the reputation of the "jumping the shark" game for Sonic fans. I think it could benefit from a remake fixing it's flaws though.
I loved swinging on poles lol.
I beat this game when i was 10 and beat it again when i was 18. And the crying about sonic being too fast. Im just gonna say, huge skill issues my boy.
"Losing momentum/speed" = Sonic Forces
Coming from probably the only person over 13 to like sonic forces I can say that you are absolutely correct
The only thing is that Heroes promoted the puzzle aspect more than the speed aspect from the start by allowing you to switch to characters that are not fast. Teams like Team Rose have a speed character that is inherently slower too, so that was not their main goal if I were to wager. They do have fast spots though, and perhaps it is disorienting to stop out of nowhere to solve a puzzle while you expect to be going fast
You don’t lose speed in forces, that’s prolly the only game where air drag doesn’t exist (and the game is even easier for it)
Played through SH dozens of times and never had these issues.
The team blast after effects were hints on how you were supposed to use the teams. (As the meter drains certain effects take place)
Also each team has different motion mechanics to match the theme of the team. (The bonus world emerald chasing showcases this with which ever team it felt better getting the emeralds with)
Team heroes was the last to show up to the end game scenario.(Neo metal sonic even says something mid game to suggest that they are the last team to be encountered after the grind rail valley lvl)
pair that with how reckless this team functions and it starts making sense as to why this team can feel sloppy, it matches the way they think and the fact that team heroes was the last to figure out what was going on and had "3 days" to hastily make it to the egg fleet.
It is a learning curve afapting to how the sored characters move. And judging the attack type to use as power characters. Usually, jumping and soamming the skam attack was better
We want a remaster 🗣🗣🗣🗣
If you press the attack button rapidly as Knuckles he starts doing a barrage of quick fists, which helps limit his movement (this doesn't work with other Power characters though).
I remember finally playing this game. My neighbor though the game was broke and gave it to me. Had to clean the disk like a mf because they were licking it. When I finally got it to work I was so excited
What I am noticing is everyone saying "skill issue" are lowkey brain numbed fanboys who will defend every aspect of this game despite it being one of the worst to play Sonic games
Just because you can adjust to controls doesn't mean they aren't bad, it just means you can adjust to them
Fax, they’re literally brain dead fans
It's called having the mental capacity to actually learn the mechanics, learn how to air brake, learn how to chain jumps and attacks together, Caddicarus' video explains how to actually play the game.
@@Cade_Squirrel No, it's called being a braindead fanboy and deflecting criticism out of sheer ego and immaturity.
It doesn't matter if you've adjusted to the controls or learned various tricks within their framework; they're still shitty and broken. Only arrogant sheep and mouthy brats dismiss this stuff so readily and pompously.
This. I loved this game as a kid, and even I had some obnoxious moments or downright bs deaths that annoyed me. Thank god I never cared about A ranking.
Like, people can still like stuff that has flaws. I don't know why they're losing it because some folks think the controls were kinda wacky in Heroes, especially compared to SA1 and 2.
@@Cade_SquirrelI have every single A rank in this game. I can still confidently say these controls are broken. Every time I touch a spring I switch to fly formation just in case I unexpectedly fly off the stage, because the game does this a lot. Look no further than the special stages. I can see your argument for people that are great at adjusting to slippery controls, but the general audience isn’t going to be able to. I’ve been playing with my girlfriend and her main complaint was “there is no reason that im more concerned about falling than the enemies.” There is a huge difference between hard controls and hard gameplay.
Even as a little kid I thought this game was terrible.
I'm more concerned about the floor being butter, with how easily everyone slides around
It is usually in specific scenarios where they slide around, so it can be controlled. The only issue is when you are forced into the land of butter by attacking enemies with Knuckles or falling from high heights and using speed boosts. Some things are avoidable given the game has multiple routes and solutions to issues
06 will forever be the best
Jumping around a bit more helps since the air attack with power formation is useful and won't have you fall off, and jumping in speed formeation will have you lose some speed, but you can easily get it back
As Knuckles, mash B to slowly punch forward repeatedly. You don't slide across the stage this way. This only works with Knuckles.
I knew something felt off. Even as a child, something always felt incredibly wrong about the way this game played, Especially when compared to sonic adventure 2. I can never quite describe it in words like you have here, But I never quite felt in control of the characters
What I'm hearing is "I'm not good at easy game."
If a lazy gamer like me can pull it off, I'm sure you can too.
😢which is why I Never used the homing attack
Sonic Heroes is great man, accept it lol. you just showed the bad aspects of it, and Knuckles being slower than Sonic is obvious. If Knuckles was fast too, Sonic would lose his purpose in the game
really needs a remake because i want to love it so much 😭😭
Friendly reminder this game was made by 1 person for a majority of the development because 1 of the 2 devs on this game got sick.
Sonic Team never utilised the analogue stick ability to control your speed to any extent.
These slippery controls are why i hated this game and shadow the hedgehog. I still hate them
I could hear so many "Shit! Rough! Eyagh!" just watching this vid.
Somehow I found this game more fun to play than SA2, but I think that was due to stage variety, less attempts at being "dark", and the music. Yeah, the controls were pretty rough. And shit. And eyagh.
It’s “Shit!! Rock!! YEAH!!”
Don’t let anyone convince you Knuckles is saying “shift”.
Good thing were getting a complete remake
Nah mang I can finish that game in a day you just gotta adapt
I love the slippery actually because you can skip half of the level with good tricks 😂
He think he cooked, but didn't. We all know Sonic Heroes could control a little ass some times, but it's still extremely fun and once tou get the pace the levels are extremely frenetic and epic! Only thing that can really get bad in this game is the bugs that make you fail some automated sections, aside from that, it's fun from point to point
You see an old game with terrible controls. I see a classic rage-game that existed before the likes of Only Up, Getting Over It, or even Jump King. 🌈Perspective ✨️😌
Modern platformers are kinda the same for me now. So slippery and I can't do anything about it
If this game gets remastered hopefully they fix this
i love the aesthetic of sonic heroes. I truly do... but when my character controls like they've got butter under their shoes, then its hard to really enjoy those good vibes it can offer. It's still a great looking game though. 👍
Agree ❤ Sonic Heroes is a really good game
I also agree
Bro does not know about jabbing
Indeed.
@kevinkong64 For sure
"jabbing"? What's that?
@JoseGregorioValeroVillarroel Spamming the attack button as Knuckles WITHOUT pressing the analog stick. You do short, fast punches. The "wide arc" punches are actually homing shots meant to close the distance between you an an enemy, like in SA2.
@AccelerateHedgeOk, the controls are still ass tho
Funny, people hated Riders because of the learning curve. Sonic fans criticize IGN for bad gameplay, but the reality is they're not much better. 😂
"This fucking sucks, actually."
No way, the other characters aren't as fast as the speed characters?!
Sonic heroes was not built to be the traditional sonic game.
The GameCube version handles better than the PC version. I had a lot of trouble with the PC version and I did fine as a kid on the GameCube.
Part of what makes games fun is less than amazing controls, thus making the game way harder and making skill much more important. In some cases it ruins the game, but blasting at insane speeds with Sonic for me was totally worth it
They could have made it harder in other ways than that of blaming the game. I still agree with your statement, though I wish the controls were a bit better