Super cool project. I wouldn't have thought the little motors would react that quickly but they seem to turn to air brake mode quite fast. Very well done.
I'm wondering if this could be available as a kit? I run into issues with my car's rear getting loose under heavy braking at the track. I think I could shave some seconds off my lap times with something like this
I would first recommend replacing your factory shocks with Bilstein shocks. I went to Bilstein shocks three years ago and have seen all that life has to offer since. Simply life changing.
@@samklare1088 What an excellent suggestion Mr. Klare. I too am yearning to get more out of life (and of course shave some seconds off my lap times) and I think some Bilstein shocks might be a great place to start
Yea bro this might be an issue of a wrong braking technique since when you brake all the weight of the car goes to the front and makes you lose grip at the back, or in most cases you might need the rear suspension to be a little stiffer to keep the weight shifting more balanced and keep it planted
I know this is funny and all. But I'm in the middle of building a lemons car and I'm 100% doing this to the ungodly oversized wing and just wiring it to the brake lights. Air brakes on when the brake get hit. Oh God I'm so excited hahaha
Holysheet. Came across this, and then checked out your channel. Damn. You got a sub.... but I’m also gonna need more info on this. I’m really interested in experimenting with this.
That is so awesome! It reminds me of the air brake on a McLaren 765lt. You're right about that carbon fibre vinyl! It might also have helped the drag coefficient once you hit 180mph 🤣. In wing mode, you need the endplates on the sides to get the sick vortices and less drag. But it's way cooler and more practical as primarily an air brake, and you've nailed it. It would be great to get some data and run experiments like distance to stop from different speeds. Better yet, the data from a whole active aero package with front spoiler/splitter that descends dynamically and radiator louvres that react to temperature and airflow. Better ground effect with flat panels under the body and active suspension to dynamically lower the body closer to the ground, and whatever else everyone can come up with. The fuel savings would definitely pay for the modifications in one to two lifetimes max! 🤣 You may need to find a different vehicle, though, because more than suction cups might be necessary.😆 By the way, shout out to those suction cups!! They are hardcore! Great work Michael! Keep it up!
Building a DRS system style wing for my Toyota right now and have been at it for about a week now, and this video has so much good information I'm gonna have to watch it twice. Seriously great stuff and thanks for letting me know there's an arduino nano so I don't have to take up so much space with the electronics!
How cool, I came across this video by accident! I currently have 2 lamborghini's 1988.5 countach and a 2005 gallardo and I have been designing a better active rear wing as well as a new front wing of my own design. I was thinking of servos at 1st but leaning towards linear actuators. Any ideas? Thank you, for the great video and I just subscribed
How did it feel? Was it worth anything as an actual brake? I figure under 40-50mph you might not notice anything but at track speeds that thing could help a lot
Hey Michael, great experiment with the accelerometer. How powerful are the linear actuators you're using? I’m about to start modelling an airbrake into the chassis mounted spoiler on my track car and have thought about a similar design but wired in.
Mr Rechtin , unreal work and great video - congratulations ! I'm reading the other comments - maybe there is a substantial commercial opportunity there for you . I shudder to think about the legal costs in protecting yourself though . If you trust your suction caps enough or maybe use nuts and bolts and put a few holes in your car , I'd love to see how it goes at 150 kays per hour or more . I'm guessing that there would be a pile of down force and braking there .
Do you mind sharing the info of hardware that you used for the moving mechanism? Specifically the servos, type of bearings, and the control unit. Thanks.
look up s2 dynamic wing. you should sell this, heck even if you just made mounts that adapted a standard ebay voltex wing. track guys dont care about brands, we care about performance best of luck, subb'd also how was it in high speed braking? did you do any from 100+?
I'm designing something similar. I intend to use a pair of solenoids from dead starter motors. Run a cable from the brake light circuit to the solenoids. Simplicity has merit.
I wish homemade active aero was more common. The main point of Tuner Car culture, is turning you're cheap, economy box, or sport car, into a home grown, personalized monster, that can not only out perform luxury hyoercars, but is also perfect for you, in feel and usage. Imagine a Ferrari getting out ran, in corners, or straight up, by something that can carry more people & things then it.
its hard to tell the speeds in the video it looked like the top end was about 50mph? at 100mph would this things motors have enough strength to hold it forward. i have faith in the suction cups not being the first failing point. i bought a big suction cup just a little bigger than those on your wing we attached it to a sheet of glass and yanked on it with everthing we had and they just work. genius idea for the suction cups. i know you kinda were doing this in a funny way where it wasnt too serious and had some satire about it. but with a little tweaking to parts ect. you might really be able to sell something like this and make a killing. all you would have to do is gather data on that thing working. maybe not that paticular prototype but say prototype B and you add endplates to the thing, small ones that still go with the look, if you could get this thing wind tunnel tested (expensive) and yield results of any kind. even if its just 100 pounds of downforce at 120mph and say drag in brake mode of almost double that ect.. people WILLLLL buy those. the bondo sand bondo deal seems like too much work but there has to be another way that is cheap and would work aswell. with stronger components and maybe a few slight options in design. if it was proved to work in a wind tunnel and priced at the cost of parts+ time it takes to make one + mark up due to having no competition. i think you could sell those for way over 1000 each, or say math it out so you make 800$ on each wing profit. you make 100 of those things in a year that's $80,000 a year. i have no doubt in my mind you could make ALOT of money with those.
Hey ! I would love to pick your brains on the subject of active aero. I actually have a project that would require some that would actually be of use 👍🏻
Idk what impressed me more, that the servos were able to survive, or that the suction cups held up lol Great job on this project 👏 👏 👏 👏 what servos did you used?
The way you have connected the servos is a call for disaster. You should not be able to move it by hand as this would tear the gears down or blow the servo electronics. You need worm gears, thus you would be able to control it from servo part but not able to move it due to wind/hand pushing. In addition a metal gear servos would be nice addition. Btw what program did you use for the wind simulations?
Hey man i am currently doing a capstone project for automotive engineering and we are doing active aero, can i please ask about the mounts attached to the aero foil part of the wing, i need to essentially build a similar one and i just want to know if you built the mount or bought it somewhere? If you built it can you tell me what you did and what you used (3d printed?, how did you make the suction cups be perfectly attached?, and how the motor was attached/placed) , the info will help alot. Thanks.
The mounts were 3D printed and attached with epoxy. The suction cups just screwed into the supports. I wouldn’t recommend using suction cups if your wing is going to experience real aero forces. Good luck with the project.
@@michaelrechtin how much would you say it cost you for the motor that you used and including the arduino uno? Im trying to find online right now. Thanks again
Im not gonna lie, i wanna do this so bad now. Maybe add some side action, but with more moving parts means more places it can go wrong. Also i dont know how to code and im not an engineer. So itd be a lot of google.
Hi, Did you do all the mechanics and Arduino stuff yourself or buy working components from somewhere. I'd like to get similar automation for my wing but I'm highly disqualified to do so... pls help. Appreciate it!
hi this is exactly what I'm trying to do but I don't have those electronic gizmos. could you link them? I don't know how to make my speed activated. also do you think hiding yours in the trunk is better? Thanks in advance!
I feel like if you made these functional it would be amazing. Also you could actual carbon fiber to duplicate that wing. Also body work takes years to perfect
Hey @Michael Rechtin I was wondering that is the response from the Arduino quick enough How much time does it takes to respond from applying brakes to the spoiler moving
Are you aware of anywhere I can find motors that I could mount inside the car to raise the spoiler up in use but could have enough travel to keep the car stock when not in use? I am able to fabricate whatever carbon fiber bits need to be made but im very inexperienced with electronic motors and the needed programming
I came here cuz Im looking to make this except out of a carbon fiber e46 csl trunk. I want it to look oem when its under 60 but then have the top rear 8" lift off the car beyond that with air braking. Are you aware of any piston sets I can use which could be longer so I could mount them down inside the trunk and only be visible when activated?
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In my case, I use my pop up headlights for hard breaking 🤣
Genius 😂😂
Big brain 😂😭
Same 😂
My goodness, what an idea. Why didn't i think of that?
put your hand out, and you got much breaking 😂
Super cool project. I wouldn't have thought the little motors would react that quickly but they seem to turn to air brake mode quite fast. Very well done.
I’ve always wanted to try my hand at this
Actually looking for build techniques for building a wing strong enough for 150+mph race car and ended up watching this whole thing lol. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I would be interested in seeing more about the components used or a parts list if you would want to share. Subbed!
HOW ARE YOU SO UNDERRATED?
I'm wondering if this could be available as a kit? I run into issues with my car's rear getting loose under heavy braking at the track. I think I could shave some seconds off my lap times with something like this
I would first recommend replacing your factory shocks with Bilstein shocks. I went to Bilstein shocks three years ago and have seen all that life has to offer since. Simply life changing.
@@samklare1088 What an excellent suggestion Mr. Klare. I too am yearning to get more out of life (and of course shave some seconds off my lap times) and I think some Bilstein shocks might be a great place to start
Yea bro this might be an issue of a wrong braking technique since when you brake all the weight of the car goes to the front and makes you lose grip at the back, or in most cases you might need the rear suspension to be a little stiffer to keep the weight shifting more balanced and keep it planted
Yeah man would love to see this as a kit, whatever it does to your lap times would look sick AF on a street car too if done nicely.
@@antolivdiaz Shouldn't it be the front suspension to be more stiffer?
I know this is funny and all. But I'm in the middle of building a lemons car and I'm 100% doing this to the ungodly oversized wing and just wiring it to the brake lights. Air brakes on when the brake get hit. Oh God I'm so excited hahaha
You took diy car modifications to the next level mate.
This video made me smile. Might get some stick on fender vents from Autozone now.
Those will easily add 10hp
amazing job , can you please share a special photos for motors used in this project , thanks :)
Best part that had me dying was "To make it look sick!" at 2:30 lol
Can you please post your coding and instructions, I really want to make one of these for my firebird but with stronger parts
YES to all of the above. Get out of my head! I've been thinking about doing this for years.❤
Holysheet. Came across this, and then checked out your channel. Damn. You got a sub.... but I’m also gonna need more info on this. I’m really interested in experimenting with this.
That is so awesome! It reminds me of the air brake on a McLaren 765lt. You're right about that carbon fibre vinyl! It might also have helped the drag coefficient once you hit 180mph 🤣. In wing mode, you need the endplates on the sides to get the sick vortices and less drag. But it's way cooler and more practical as primarily an air brake, and you've nailed it. It would be great to get some data and run experiments like distance to stop from different speeds.
Better yet, the data from a whole active aero package with front spoiler/splitter that descends dynamically and radiator louvres that react to temperature and airflow. Better ground effect with flat panels under the body and active suspension to dynamically lower the body closer to the ground, and whatever else everyone can come up with. The fuel savings would definitely pay for the modifications in one to two lifetimes max! 🤣
You may need to find a different vehicle, though, because more than suction cups might be necessary.😆 By the way, shout out to those suction cups!! They are hardcore!
Great work Michael! Keep it up!
Building a DRS system style wing for my Toyota right now and have been at it for about a week now, and this video has so much good information I'm gonna have to watch it twice. Seriously great stuff and thanks for letting me know there's an arduino nano so I don't have to take up so much space with the electronics!
How cool, I came across this video by accident! I currently have 2 lamborghini's 1988.5 countach and a 2005 gallardo and I have been designing a better active rear wing as well as a new front wing of my own design. I was thinking of servos at 1st but leaning towards linear actuators. Any ideas? Thank you, for the great video and I just subscribed
How did it feel?
Was it worth anything as an actual brake? I figure under 40-50mph you might not notice anything but at track speeds that thing could help a lot
Can you share the code of Arduino, please
Also which motor you used?
Suction cups stop a car. Amazing. Should work also on trains.
It would be awesome to see the entire build step by step
Hey Michael, great experiment with the accelerometer. How powerful are the linear actuators you're using? I’m about to start modelling an airbrake into the chassis mounted spoiler on my track car and have thought about a similar design but wired in.
You could split the wing and hook it in to ride hight sensors and it will adjust it as the body roll to push the side down that you need for turns.
To make it look SICK! Haha, love it!!!
Jason from Engineering Explained finally dyed his hair
the 1991 mitsubishi 3000gt vr4 has really cool active aerodynamics for an old sports car
Mr Rechtin , unreal work and great video - congratulations ! I'm reading the other comments - maybe there is a substantial commercial opportunity there for you . I shudder to think about the legal costs in protecting yourself though . If you trust your suction caps enough or maybe use nuts and bolts and put a few holes in your car , I'd love to see how it goes at 150 kays per hour or more . I'm guessing that there would be a pile of down force and braking there .
DAMN!! $2.89 for 93?!!
I need to move there!!!! Lol
Do you mind sharing the info of hardware that you used for the moving mechanism? Specifically the servos, type of bearings, and the control unit.
Thanks.
Now make it pop out like a Porsche 😄 sick work bro.
No we need a DRS button in the cockpit 😅😅😅
A company called Victory racing actually makes these as a universal kit for about $3000 for a 70” wing and $2000 for a 58” wing
Upvoted simply for the sense of humour here!
Looks like a fun project for my r53 build.
Bro this is awesome I wish somebody would share it more who has a following because it’s a great video.
look up s2 dynamic wing. you should sell this, heck even if you just made mounts that adapted a standard ebay voltex wing. track guys dont care about brands, we care about performance
best of luck, subb'd
also how was it in high speed braking? did you do any from 100+?
Excellent job bro, Do you mind sharing your programming language code for the active spoiler mechanism ? Thanks
absolutely brilliant video :D
I need this instead of stupid ol’ brake pads
Lol I want to do same thing with rams lol nice job always like people experiment with random stuff keep it up subbed
I'm designing something similar.
I intend to use a pair of solenoids from dead starter motors.
Run a cable from the brake light circuit to the solenoids.
Simplicity has merit.
I'm using a wake board which I got for free. Very light weight.
Cut it to size. An aerofoil profile similar to a spoiler.
Very cool. Please show us how u did the servos and the electronics in general
Would you mind sharing the info on the project, 3d prints, arduino code etc?
Kind regards
stl files for the brackets???
Ok now I gotta do this
Very cool!
Man this is awesome 🔥🔥
Can you do other types of active active aero?
Where can I buy this?
Ngl this wouldve been more sexy if it was more giant n dramatic. Dope vid
Can you share which actuator/servo you use?
Will be great to have detailed instructions mate!
You have to mount it higher to get out of the Dirty Air.
I wish homemade active aero was more common. The main point of Tuner Car culture, is turning you're cheap, economy box, or sport car, into a home grown, personalized monster, that can not only out perform luxury hyoercars, but is also perfect for you, in feel and usage. Imagine a Ferrari getting out ran, in corners, or straight up, by something that can carry more people & things then it.
You are awesome.
Bro this is great quality! How do you have such few subscribers?
its hard to tell the speeds in the video it looked like the top end was about 50mph? at 100mph would this things motors have enough strength to hold it forward. i have faith in the suction cups not being the first failing point. i bought a big suction cup just a little bigger than those on your wing we attached it to a sheet of glass and yanked on it with everthing we had and they just work. genius idea for the suction cups. i know you kinda were doing this in a funny way where it wasnt too serious and had some satire about it. but with a little tweaking to parts ect. you might really be able to sell something like this and make a killing. all you would have to do is gather data on that thing working. maybe not that paticular prototype but say prototype B and you add endplates to the thing, small ones that still go with the look, if you could get this thing wind tunnel tested (expensive) and yield results of any kind. even if its just 100 pounds of downforce at 120mph and say drag in brake mode of almost double that ect.. people WILLLLL buy those. the bondo sand bondo deal seems like too much work but there has to be another way that is cheap and would work aswell. with stronger components and maybe a few slight options in design. if it was proved to work in a wind tunnel and priced at the cost of parts+ time it takes to make one + mark up due to having no competition. i think you could sell those for way over 1000 each, or say math it out so you make 800$ on each wing profit. you make 100 of those things in a year that's $80,000 a year. i have no doubt in my mind you could make ALOT of money with those.
Hey ! I would love to pick your brains on the subject of active aero. I actually have a project that would require some that would actually be of use 👍🏻
Idk what impressed me more, that the servos were able to survive, or that the suction cups held up lol
Great job on this project 👏 👏 👏 👏 what servos did you used?
He wasn't going over 35 lol
The way you have connected the servos is a call for disaster. You should not be able to move it by hand as this would tear the gears down or blow the servo electronics.
You need worm gears, thus you would be able to control it from servo part but not able to move it due to wind/hand pushing.
In addition a metal gear servos would be nice addition.
Btw what program did you use for the wind simulations?
Wow, this is incredible, can you tell me what material you use? please please please
How many pounds of downforce could those servos resist against?
excelente prototipo muy bueno!!!
That's sick man u built thst
Which Mazda 3 package contains this spoiler?
The most expensive package 📦
This Looks SIIICKKKKKKK
What electric system did you use. And do you have a video to set up the electronics?
Hi really want to try this but I am not educated in arduino coding could you please share your files even if its just some of it. Really cool video
Use a spray bottle with soapy water in it to apply vinyl wrap, will maek your life easier.
very cool!
What machine do you use to cut the foam?
I see you can program it to a certain airfoil, that is pretty neat.
Hey man i am currently doing a capstone project for automotive engineering and we are doing active aero, can i please ask about the mounts attached to the aero foil part of the wing, i need to essentially build a similar one and i just want to know if you built the mount or bought it somewhere? If you built it can you tell me what you did and what you used (3d printed?, how did you make the suction cups be perfectly attached?, and how the motor was attached/placed) , the info will help alot. Thanks.
The mounts were 3D printed and attached with epoxy. The suction cups just screwed into the supports. I wouldn’t recommend using suction cups if your wing is going to experience real aero forces. Good luck with the project.
@@michaelrechtin thanks so much man for responding quickly, your diy project was cool man
@@michaelrechtin how much would you say it cost you for the motor that you used and including the arduino uno? Im trying to find online right now. Thanks again
Can you build one half as tall, while still gaining full mobility? Or one that has tilt sensors to assist in turns?
Im not gonna lie, i wanna do this so bad now. Maybe add some side action, but with more moving parts means more places it can go wrong. Also i dont know how to code and im not an engineer. So itd be a lot of google.
Hi,
Did you do all the mechanics and Arduino stuff yourself or buy working components from somewhere. I'd like to get similar automation for my wing but I'm highly disqualified to do so... pls help. Appreciate it!
trying to figure out where you live, it's pretty there. the clue came at 8:50 Van Blaricum Road, Cincinnati, OH
I wonder about whether those servos would be strong enough to move the wing effectively at proper track speeds?
Have you seen the speed of r.c jets? There would be your answer...
Good work but all that for a Mazda 3, why?
do u actually feel a differrence
How much could it help on the hi-speed (100-150mph) downforce?
I want to add this to one of my RC cars! Care to sell the code? Or share where you got the initial idea from if it's open source?!
hi this is exactly what I'm trying to do but I don't have those electronic gizmos. could you link them? I don't know how to make my speed activated. also do you think hiding yours in the trunk is better? Thanks in advance!
I feel like if you made these functional it would be amazing. Also you could actual carbon fiber to duplicate that wing. Also body work takes years to perfect
How did it handle, is there a summary video coming?
i would just use a wire when u hit the brakes the spoiler goes in
this thing must be a track beast with that. im assuming it comes with the background music too when you drive with it engaged?
Of course. Next step is anodized lug nuts to really make sure it can put the power down.
Could you wire the actuators into your brake lights
Do you felt some difference?
Do you have a video teaching me how to make it ? 😮
Hey @Michael Rechtin I was wondering that is the response from the Arduino quick enough
How much time does it takes to respond from applying brakes to the spoiler moving
Are you aware of anywhere I can find motors that I could mount inside the car to raise the spoiler up in use but could have enough travel to keep the car stock when not in use? I am able to fabricate whatever carbon fiber bits need to be made but im very inexperienced with electronic motors and the needed programming
Do you have a parts list I can purchase the items you used for this spoiler wing.
witch sw did u use for make this simulations?
Single linear actuator?
How much does one cost
why not wire it up to a brakelight wire?
So what were the results and did you try it at higher speeds?
can you share your Arduino code file please?
Thank you!
I came here cuz Im looking to make this except out of a carbon fiber e46 csl trunk. I want it to look oem when its under 60 but then have the top rear 8" lift off the car beyond that with air braking. Are you aware of any piston sets I can use which could be longer so I could mount them down inside the trunk and only be visible when activated?