I put together a video comparing the Catalinbread Echorec to their Belle Epoch pedal. Each pedal is amazing in their own right so I wanted to show the differences between them.
@@amritjanardhanan someone who is comparing two delays against each other, someone who doesn't have access to other modulation OR someone who doesn't want any other modulation.
I'm on the fence about what to get, a Wampler Faux Tape Echo v2 or Catalinbread Belle Epoch, which are similar pedals, but the Adineko sounds super cool too (which is quite a bit of a different sound).
Shred5, I had the same problem. I ordered the Wampler, the Belle Epoche, an Echoplex, and Memory Man from Guitar Center for a 30 day trial. After 10 hours with each, the Bell Epoch stood head and shoulders above the others. The Catalinbread Echorec is next on my list
Note: 1) The Belle Epoche's preamp wasn't emphasized enough. It nails the tone of the original EP3. 2) For me, Belle Epoche is an "always on" pedal because of its preamp so dollar-for-dollar, it's a better first purchase, 3) Get the Echorec later for the times that you want nail the 'spacey' Pink Floyd sound, 4) although the modulation in the Belle let's you get very close to the PF sound.
You have to pick both because that was absolutely the worst demo for those 2 pedals ever made holy crap dude if thats what you use them for you might want to take up freakin basket weaving., pathetic ass demo.
So... I'm generally not one of those people who advocates adding 13 different delays generally, either a digital delay or a tape delay (like the Belle Epoch) generally does the trick, but the Echorec with its percussive delays is a great argument to add a second. I think I need both.
I keep my bbelle epoch in trails mode so its constantly goinh thru the pre-amp. Luv it. Nest thing since sliced bread. I run it into catalins dls and use their karma suture for my main drive. Theyre pedals work so hood together. I can tell alot of love went into them
so I'd say the difference is: Echorec = ethereal, dreamlike, "Cocteau Twins"-esque waviness and some spacey sounds with lots of what seem like presets Belle Epoch = late 90's psychedelic grunge, like Blur's "13" with perfectly nauseating warble and weird distortion I prefer the Belle Epoch because of it seems more personal
I have a Belle Epoch. It is everything that it is promoted to be. Don't be fooled by all the analog noisy craziness that it CAN do. It is designed to be and IS a very musical pedal, JUST like an Echoplex, without the hassle of the tape. I use mine on the 'clean' side of my rig, and it is nothing but amazingly beautiful and musical. But, from the quality and tone of this pedal, I would be lying if I said that I don't also want an Echorec also...:-)
I look at these two delays as David Gilmour or Tommy Bollin. If you don’t know what I mean check out Quadrant 4 (Epoch/Bollin) and Echoes (Echorec/Floyd). I’d say the Epoch for messing with the rate/speed of the delay and the Echorec for the distance/time of the delay if that makes sense. Eventually I’ll want both and combine them.
I decided between the Echorec and Belle Epoch, figuring I was only getting one (went with the Belle Epoch although I wish the Deluxe was around when I got it. However, I could justify an Adineko.
I have the Catalinbread Echorec...luv it...very cool effects. And for a pure analog delay my Maxon AD-999 which I adore. Fantastic delay pedal. One day I need to get the Fulltone product...his tape delay unit.
+Lance Keltner I went with the Belle first and also run an EQD Ghost Echo so I can combine the delay and reverb effects separately when/where I need them. I would still like to get the Dispatch Master at some point for times when you need BOTH reverb and delay all in one foot stomp. Another pedal that you may want to check into is the Keeley Caverns. It has delay and reverb in the same pedal, but each function has it's own dedicated foot switch. Happy hunting!
+Lance Keltner One feature that I REALLY like about the Belle is that it has a few mini switches inside that you can adjust the gain of the effect when switched on, almost like a mini "boost" function when the pedal is engaged. There is also another switch inside that allows your delays to trail off naturally as the delay effect decays rather than cut flat out when you hit the switch to turn the effect off. I believe this is called "tails mode"
Great demo, many thanks for posting this. I still can't make my mind up......decisions decisions. Both great pedals. Your pedalboard looks very interesting any chance you could do a full pedalboard demo?
Hey Derek, My opinion is for more classic rock, led zepplin-y stuff I would go with the Belle Epoch - more Gilmour-ish and experimental go with the echorec. Again this is strictly my opinion you really need to try them both out for yourself. Thanks!
getting rid of my Boss Re201 for an Ecorec...but I have to get an A B Y BOX AS i LIKE STEREO with two DI boxes cheap JOYOs jfets and it sounds awesome but an eco rec will polish off my tone perfectly.
Question, were you running them at 9 or 18 volts, I have the Echorec, thinking of getting the Belle Epoch, the only other one I want to get is the Black Fountain made by Old Blood Noise endeavors, if you haven't seen it you should check that one out as well. The Black Fountain and the Belle Epoch are the same price, sooner or later I plan to own them both, just a matter of which one to buy first.
I just got the Belle Epoch, so I got both it and the Echorec, so far I've been utilizing them quite different. The Echorec is obviously darker and spacier, the belle epoch a bit brighter sounding, but very versatile as well!! I think the belle epoch only does 800 milliseconds and the echorec does a 1000 milliseconds. The head thing on the Echorec really changes the sound depending on what you have it on. I prefer the Echorec myself. But both are amazing pedals!!!
doug stossel all depends on the type of music you are playing. I can keep the echorec on playing much more down tempo pink floyd-ish or ambient stuff - just do not keep the mix high. The belle epoche is an always on pedal for me just to add a slight bit of analog delay - it is barely noticeable but gives my signal a lot of space/depth. it is also cool to set one of these to do some crazy modulated repat and kick it on on the last note of a measure before going into some sort of break
Would have sound that wonderful if you play the song showing how to use that normal instead of being trapped in our space on stage, I would not have the time to kneel down and keep effing with the knobs
Nice Comparison. It really Helped me Decide. If the Belle Epoch had a Tap Tempo, I'd have one already. Is there a way to Custom Mod this Pedal for Tap Tempo ? - Michael Caz - NYC -
Nice if you started with a clean amp since you are comparing reverbs, second echorecs used metal wire wound around a drum with many heads no tape involved.
i have both and i prefere Belle Epoch . It is easier and is a little bit cleaner and vivid than Echorec ( 1st position ). You can reach 95% of Deluxe Memory Man sound with Belle Epoch !!
@@markpappas Long after your comment, I know, but the Echorec has a fantastic slapback tone. It's not the same as the BE but I wouldn't sell it short at all.
So according to your summing up - more rock style…Belle Epoch. More tripped out experimental…Belle Epoch 😂 I got what ya meant but funny nonetheless. I think I’ll go for….BELLE EPOCH!!!
By side by side i would think more like you play a lick with one unit and then the same with the other through similar settings, but half of the video with one and the next one with the other playing anything is not so useful. Anyway a good comparison
No Reverb!!! What is wrong with all these people and using reverb to demo a delay. You do know delay is a reverb right!!! I'll take the echorec all day epoch has the tape delay sound that's about it. I had both, sold the epoch in less than a month.
I think it's very important when testing a delay effect is to remove all the ambient effects such as reverb.
Well who is gonna JUST use dry delay?
@@amritjanardhanan someone who is comparing two delays against each other, someone who doesn't have access to other modulation OR someone who doesn't want any other modulation.
I think it'S very important when reviewing a delay that one removes all the ah 's and am's from the dialogue ...!!!
100%
Nice Video. I was on the fence about which one to get, and now the choice is clear: both.
+johnsquibb haha definitely the problem I had
I'm on the fence about what to get, a Wampler Faux Tape Echo v2 or Catalinbread Belle Epoch, which are similar pedals, but the Adineko sounds super cool too (which is quite a bit of a different sound).
Shred5, I had the same problem. I ordered the Wampler, the Belle Epoche, an Echoplex, and Memory Man from Guitar Center for a 30 day trial. After 10 hours with each, the Bell Epoch stood head and shoulders above the others. The Catalinbread Echorec is next on my list
Note: 1) The Belle Epoche's preamp wasn't emphasized enough. It nails the tone of the original EP3. 2) For me, Belle Epoche is an "always on" pedal because of its preamp so dollar-for-dollar, it's a better first purchase, 3) Get the Echorec later for the times that you want nail the 'spacey' Pink Floyd sound, 4) although the modulation in the Belle let's you get very close to the PF sound.
You have to pick both because that was absolutely the worst demo for those 2 pedals ever made holy crap dude if thats what you use them for you might want to take up freakin basket weaving., pathetic ass demo.
So... I'm generally not one of those people who advocates adding 13 different delays generally, either a digital delay or a tape delay (like the Belle Epoch) generally does the trick, but the Echorec with its percussive delays is a great argument to add a second. I think I need both.
please no reverb on when showing delay effects.
I keep my bbelle epoch in trails mode so its constantly goinh thru the pre-amp. Luv it. Nest thing since sliced bread. I run it into catalins dls and use their karma suture for my main drive. Theyre pedals work so hood together. I can tell alot of love went into them
Nice playing, excellent reviews.
so I'd say the difference is:
Echorec = ethereal, dreamlike, "Cocteau Twins"-esque waviness and some spacey sounds with lots of what seem like presets
Belle Epoch = late 90's psychedelic grunge, like Blur's "13" with perfectly nauseating warble and weird distortion
I prefer the Belle Epoch because of it seems more personal
Many many thanks for this. I was torn between the two but edging towards the Belle Epoch.Now I'm sure... Belle Epoch for me.
Great demo!
Tks a lot, pal!
It was really helpful.
I have a Belle Epoch. It is everything that it is promoted to be. Don't be fooled by all the analog noisy craziness that it CAN do. It is designed to be and IS a very musical pedal, JUST like an Echoplex, without the hassle of the tape. I use mine on the 'clean' side of my rig, and it is nothing but amazingly beautiful and musical. But, from the quality and tone of this pedal, I would be lying if I said that I don't also want an Echorec also...:-)
For rock stuff - go Belle Epoch (at 16:45), experimental side also Belle Epoch or did you mean Echorec?
Trippy delay goodness, I want both!
I look at these two delays as David Gilmour or Tommy Bollin. If you don’t know what I mean check out Quadrant 4 (Epoch/Bollin) and Echoes (Echorec/Floyd). I’d say the Epoch for messing with the rate/speed of the delay and the Echorec for the distance/time of the delay if that makes sense. Eventually I’ll want both and combine them.
thanks for the video.
I have the Belle and the Adineko. Trying to talk myself out of getting an echorec too, but I won't be able to help myself
I decided between the Echorec and Belle Epoch, figuring I was only getting one (went with the Belle Epoch although I wish the Deluxe was around when I got it. However, I could justify an Adineko.
Get it
That Sega Dreamcast, tho
Very helpful video! Great explanations!!
Came here to buy the echorec but now I m switching to belle epoch, lol
I have the Catalinbread Echorec...luv it...very cool effects. And for a pure analog delay my Maxon AD-999 which I adore. Fantastic delay pedal. One day I need to get the Fulltone product...his tape delay unit.
id hardly call that a "clean" signal
haha sorry I guess I should had said un-effected instead of clean, had some slight break up
Good demo! I have the Echorec. But now i want the Belle Epoch
Great demo bro, thanks dude!
I wish the mode selector knob was a rotary knob on the Echorec
Thanks for the demo! Are they both equally as good repeating fuzz signals from humbuckers?
Duuuuuuude. Personally, between the two, the Belle Epoch for me. Now, I have to figure out Belle Epoch or EQD Dispatch Master......damn choices.....
Which did you choose I'm having the same conflict?
+Lance Keltner I went with the Belle first and also run an EQD Ghost Echo so I can combine the delay and reverb effects separately when/where I need them. I would still like to get the Dispatch Master at some point for times when you need BOTH reverb and delay all in one foot stomp. Another pedal that you may want to check into is the Keeley Caverns. It has delay and reverb in the same pedal, but each function has it's own dedicated foot switch. Happy hunting!
+Lance Keltner One feature that I REALLY like about the Belle is that it has a few mini switches inside that you can adjust the gain of the effect when switched on, almost like a mini "boost" function when the pedal is engaged. There is also another switch inside that allows your delays to trail off naturally as the delay effect decays rather than cut flat out when you hit the switch to turn the effect off. I believe this is called "tails mode"
I own the Dispatch Master... It's incredible. I want a Belle Epoch though too haha
Great demo, many thanks for posting this. I still can't make my mind up......decisions decisions. Both great pedals.
Your pedalboard looks very interesting any chance you could do a full pedalboard demo?
Excellent comparison video, must needed and well presented. Thanks Mark!
+Pico Ferret thanks for watching!
You mean if you play rock go for the belle epoch, if you play more spaced out go for the echorec right? Or did you mean belle epoch for both?
Hey Derek, My opinion is for more classic rock, led zepplin-y stuff I would go with the Belle Epoch - more Gilmour-ish and experimental go with the echorec. Again this is strictly my opinion you really need to try them both out for yourself. Thanks!
getting rid of my Boss Re201 for an Ecorec...but I have to get an A B Y BOX AS i LIKE STEREO with two DI boxes cheap JOYOs jfets and it sounds awesome but an eco rec will polish off my tone perfectly.
Thanks. Great demoing.
glad you liked it!
Question, were you running them at 9 or 18 volts, I have the Echorec, thinking of getting the Belle Epoch, the only other one I want to get is the Black Fountain made by Old Blood Noise endeavors, if you haven't seen it you should check that one out as well. The Black Fountain and the Belle Epoch are the same price, sooner or later I plan to own them both, just a matter of which one to buy first.
The black fountain is cool but has a noticeable volume drop when engaged.
Aww cool yeah that is what I've heard with that specific pedal, thanks!
I just got the Belle Epoch, so I got both it and the Echorec, so far I've been utilizing them quite different. The Echorec is obviously darker and spacier, the belle epoch a bit brighter sounding, but very versatile as well!! I think the belle epoch only does 800 milliseconds and the echorec does a 1000 milliseconds. The head thing on the Echorec really changes the sound depending on what you have it on. I prefer the Echorec myself. But both are amazing pedals!!!
How do you use these musically within the confines of a song ? I hear a lot of neat sounds but Im not feeling these.
doug stossel all depends on the type of music you are playing. I can keep the echorec on playing much more down tempo pink floyd-ish or ambient stuff - just do not keep the mix high. The belle epoche is an always on pedal for me just to add a slight bit of analog delay - it is barely noticeable but gives my signal a lot of space/depth. it is also cool to set one of these to do some crazy modulated repat and kick it on on the last note of a measure before going into some sort of break
Which would you recommend for more Pink Floyd / David Gilmour sounds and tones?
Michael Torres definitely the echorec. David Gilmour used the original Binson Echorec.
DG uses a Boonar now
what would you suggest between the two for that master of puppets clean bridge sound and more prog metal clean use with Ibanez CS9 chorus?
Nicely done 👍🏻
Thanks for an awesome video Mark. Any thoughts on Echorec vs strymon capistan?
I mean strymon is strymon. If you can afford it go for it. El cap is amazing and then some
Great demo, do these work ok in an effects loop?
Would have sound that wonderful if you play the song showing how to use that normal instead of being trapped in our space on stage, I would not have the time to kneel down and keep effing with the knobs
Nice Comparison. It really Helped me Decide. If the Belle Epoch had a Tap Tempo, I'd have one already. Is there a way to Custom Mod this Pedal for Tap Tempo ? - Michael Caz - NYC -
@neonthunderbird I was just looking at your video for the first time, and saw your comment. 😄
Nice if you started with a clean amp since you are comparing reverbs, second echorecs used metal wire wound around a drum with many heads no tape involved.
for something like David Gilmour, Eric Jhonson, which one do you suggest? thanks !!
definitely the echorec
+Raul oliv Eric Johnson has both on his board!
What toneprint are you running in your Hall of Fame?
Got to turn that reverb off man it should also comment about the power supply that's really why I was looking at your video oh well
i have both and i prefere Belle Epoch . It is easier and is a little bit cleaner and vivid than Echorec ( 1st position ). You can reach 95% of Deluxe Memory Man sound with Belle Epoch !!
hey man thanks for the vid. to confirm you're running into the head and not via fx loop?
Auxend I'm going straight into the amp
rad, do you ever run into issues with it stacking frequencies and overloading the input?
Having a TC HoF next to those delay pedals is surely a joke.
Has anybody heard of an external tap tempo mod for either of these?
Had a German Echo with a bunch of Telefunken ECC83's. Guess what I used it for? Don't worry, those tubes are wasted on new amps.
which is better for slapback?
The belle epoch for sure
@@markpappas Long after your comment, I know, but the Echorec has a fantastic slapback tone. It's not the same as the BE but I wouldn't sell it short at all.
great demo, im between the echorec and the empress tape what do you thing is better? Mark Pappas
I love them both but I use the Belle Epoch more these days
I've had the Empress Tape Delay for about 9 months and it is stellar plus has tap and presets! Worth every penny!
So according to your summing up - more rock style…Belle Epoch. More tripped out experimental…Belle Epoch 😂 I got what ya meant but funny nonetheless. I think I’ll go for….BELLE EPOCH!!!
If the Echorec had the Input Level saturation effect it would be The perfect delay pedal.
It does. It has a gain trim pot inside.
Jose Marquez for the dry sound as well? Cool!
@@javiceres Hell yeah. It can turn into a full on distortion pedal if you crank it.
D Clipper Great to know
@@JoCrizackit doesn’t have an internal gain pot fool
which is better for long spacey ambient sounds !?
Both can get spacey but I prefer the echorec for super tripped out sounds.
NIN @ 6:00
it is? haha had no clue I was just messing around
@105399856847009661008 :)
Funny how things may happen.
You start your introduction of the Belle Epoch saying it's an Ecoplex, then say it's an EchoRec
they both start with an E, close enough. ;-)
Echorec sounds better.
By side by side i would think more like you play a lick with one unit and then the same with the other through similar settings, but half of the video with one and the next one with the other playing anything is not so useful. Anyway a good comparison
To much knob twiddling, just pick one or two good settings and demo.
That clean amp is very dirty.
sound quality could be better...
the good fellow who invented all this apparently had a bad run n with a tree..tonight...
+Nick yeah I saw, that really sucks.
No Reverb!!! What is wrong with all these people and using reverb to demo a delay. You do know delay is a reverb right!!! I'll take the echorec all day epoch has the tape delay sound that's about it. I had both, sold the epoch in less than a month.
I sold the epoch as well
@@markpappas Kept the Echorec though?