William Hague warns of the dangers of a ‘huge labour majority’ if Starmer wins big
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024
- “You’d have five years where a government could do more or less anything they like without much exposure or questioning."
William Hague, who led the smallest opposition in postwar politics between 1997-2001, warns of the dangers of a huge Labour majority.
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What's this cobblers about the size of the majority impacting democracy. I don't remember the size of the majority being a problem when the Tories prorogued parliament. As for the point of ministers resigning, remind me of the Bozo cabinet again!
It wasn’t against the law when he prorogued parliament
It's not cobblers. No real opposition is very dangerous, especially with a hard-left lawyer in No.10. Starmer is an old Haldane Society communist lawyer.
I'm the US constitutional changes need a 2/3 majority and the Tories are wannabe Yanks
Agree. Labour need a majority to undo the damage the Tories did.
@@FionaJane-vc2tw It's the other way round. The Tories need a majority, then they should go back to being an actual Conservative party, that then reverses the Blair/Brown reforms of 1997-2010. That load of Trotskyist nonsense.
Suddenly a Tory concerned about authoritarian rule - oh the irony.
Hague never had a majority.
I'm sure Hague wouldn't have complained about a Tory supermajority in 2001 or any election since. I can't remember him urging Tory voters when he was 16 at the party conference not to vote for Thatcher and give her an undemocratic supermajority! He's just papping his pants about the Tories eventually (hopefully) getting electoral justice from the people.
Super majority is a term for needing more 50%+1 to pass, usually, constitutional change.
It means nothing at Westminster
The people gave Thatcher a majority and thank God they did. Under Labour the country was ungovernable. The only way that Labour could get into power was for Blair to ape many Thatcherit policies and you have seen that old labour as rejuvenated by Corbyn is anathema to the people. The Tories wasted their mandate....they do not deserve to be in power for a long time however there are dangers to a weak opposition and it is foolish to suppose otherwise.
A strong opposition is a good thing, but there's no reason it needs to be the Tories.
Instead of reflecting on why the Tory’s may only get 50 seats he wants to blame the voters
Perfect summary. They STILL don't get it.
It’s what tories do, always blame something else
"No minister will ever have to resign no matter what they get up to." Oh, please. If there is one constant from the last several years of Tory rule it is the constant bleat of "The minister has apologised and I consider the matter closed."
If you truly feared a “super majority” which might be seen as “un-democratic” then you should have reformed the voting system. But of course when it works for you it’s grand, and if it doesn’t then it’s the voters fault
Yeh this new tory line is embarrasing. Any decent majority allows you to effectively do what you want this is no different. How is the prospect of a Labour majority any different to a crackpot Tory majority in 2019. It isn't, only this goverment was so terrible they couldn't even use that to their advantage which tells you all you need to know about their credentials. It will be day to remember if it is an extinction as it will have been entirely self inflicted. Good riddance. All of this "socialist" fear mongering is just a repeat of the same attacks against Corbyn but they have zero relevance to Starmer.
so true and they wasted their majority to focus on divisive culture wars, so rue the day Tories !
This is a good point. Basically, a "super majourity " only exists because of FPP. If it was proportional, labour would be a minority
Exactly.
1 tory in the parliament is 1 too many
This is the most bizarre line of fear mongering. I have one vote, as does everyone else - I struggle to see how I could cast it to avoid a super majority without risking electing another Tory clownshow by accident!
The Tories have now got so desperate 😂😂😂 Please vote for us because Labour will get a big majority 😂😂
He;s only concerned with the survival of the Tory party.
Himself
Always the same. Whenever they talked about not being able to get a Brexit deal done they always spoke about the damage it was doing to the Tory Party, the damage to the country was always a second thought.
@@davidk7262 you lost get over it
And his Paymasters
Within the
☠️🤮"WEF" Globalists!!!!!
Hague Sold his SOUL!!!....
I mean look at the last 14 years?? Is he joking? Absolute car crash!! Bring on Labour!
Labour ? Ffs watch the country go down the toilet under Starmer.
Vote Reform party .
@@johndonson1603funny! 🤣 zero net migration ☺️
I cannot remember him warning us about the dangers of a huge Conservative majority in 2019. It would have been very prescient had he done so.
Don't recall the Tories complaining when they had large majorities - hypocrisy much.
Has it ever occurred to the torries the reason why we are in the situation we are in is because of there constant incompetence, lies, corruption, theft, dishonesty, racism, destitution and everything else they have done to contribute to the downfall of this country? Even now they cannot take accountability
Racism?
Ever the Tory - party before country!
Labour are going to romp into power, not because they are a good option, but because during their 14 year tenure the Tories have made a rip roaring C of it 🤪
The Tories with a 2019 majority of 80 were never in danger of losing a vote in parliament either. Hague never complained then and he's scaremongering now.
Then they should have bought in proportional representation.
Shouldn't the issue about raising taxes be one for the Tories to answer? After all, they are the party that have given us the highest tax burden since WW2.
This conservative brilliant minds think Democracy is so good when they are in power positions!
I don't really see why Hague is at all concerned about this. He will collect his own personal House of Lords handouts regardless of what happens... 😅😅😅
Zero seats.
Hague has joined the Gaslighters Club. The Tories had an 80-seat majority, which meant they never lost a vote. It makes no difference whether the majority is 20 or two hundred from the point of view of the opposition. The only way the government will lose a vote is if some of their own MPs rebel. It looks as though the Labour Party will have to form the opposition as well as the government. If the polls are right, they'll need to use some of the opposition benches anyway; there won't be enough room on the government side.
Tories were given a huge majority and ballsed everything up, they only have themselves to blame for the mess they find themselves in.
Diddums!
Toryboy and his colleagues had several years to keep their pomises and sort out the economic car crash left by the last labour govt. Time for a change!
What economic car crash did Labour leave? The economy was growing at 3% per annum when they left office, borrowing had under undershot forecasts, they’d kept the worst effects of the financial crisis away from High Streets and peoples homes. National debt one ONE THIRD of what it is now and we went into the financial crisis with a lower debt to GDP than Germany, France, the US. If you want to blame someone for the financial crisis start with Rishi Sunak who was part of the hedge fund who forced the sale of ABN-Amro to RBS resulting in its collapse and a £70 billion taxpayer bailout, Rishi made his millions though and took himself off to California afterwards.
@@pipoo1 So you don't remember Brown's end to Boom and Bust, swiftly followed by one of the biggest busts in modern history? Labour were complicit in the the root causes of the financial crisis, including all the war mongering over their tenure, using Brown's quantitative easing to pay for it all, and let's not forgot about Blair filling his boots with buy to let's etc and capitalising on his own policies whilst all this unfolded..Labour under Sir sneer, will be no different, they are Torylite 2.0, and sing to the tune of their corporate masters just like Rishi and his pals at the trough..
William Hague is spot on. I have no doubt that if the Tories were 20 points ahead in the polls, he would be writing in The Times that everybody should vote Labour 'for democracy'
That Tory seems human like. The lizards have acquired updated skins
Yet if the tories were in line to get a big majority, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
Quite.
It would be "the people have spoken" from them then.
So hypocritical
The best thing the Conservatives could do is to step down for the Reform party , a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for Labour.
Don't worry, a Conservative majority would be far worse
A majority of 80 is massive. Didn't hear you complaining about that. Keep talking to yourselves.
This makes zero sense. Was he saying this when the Tories had a huge majourity lol
I wonder who gave labour a 167 seat majority in 2001 🤔
It was the same for the tories with an 80 seat majority. If it's 200 for labout majority it will make no difference. don't forget voters the tories still have a large majority below the House of Lords. Hague is talking a load of nonsense.
Let's assume for a moment that Hague is right (i.e. a huge labour majority is bad for democracy), let's be clear, 14 years of increasing Tory government chaos created this situation. It's simple cause and effect.
I'm not convinced it'll definitely lead to huge problems, but if it does, the Tories but own the fact that they set the stage for this to happen, through disgraceful levels of corruption and incompetence. They won't take responsibility for anything though, hence why even longstanding Tory voters don't trust the party anymore. You reap what you sow.
The biggest damage the tories inflicted on us was freezing the personal tax allowance, which puts more of a burden on people on low incomes and those with small private pensions.
The clear choice for the nation is who forms the opposition.
A party hated for record levels of corruption and failure to fix public services they broke.
Or a party that will push for PR, care reform, proper accountability in public services.
LIke when we had a huge Tory majority? You only need a small majority to get everything through as it is.
Maybe you should be worried about why we are here. Your party has been the most divisive party ever.
The House of Lords has been the only brake on terrible Tory policy for the last 5 years , I didn’t hear Hague complaining then
Oh no a huge Labour Majority how will we survive.
Doesn’t Hague realise that a disinclination to resign has more to do with lack of shame and disrespect for ethical conduct than the size of a parties parliamentary majority.
Voting intention for the Tories among the under 50s is less than 10%, they are in fifth place amongst the bulk of the working age population. This is what they are panicked about, once they are out, they are out for good and with no opportunity to gerrymander the electoral system in their favour with boundary changes and voter ID laws, this election only marks the beginning of the end of the Conservative Party.
The one thing I agree with him on is I would like to see fewer polls. There are far too many polls which everyone likes to jump on top of
They’ve dragged Hague out? Christ they really must be desperate
FPTP helps us to avoid continental-style, unworkable coalitions, like Germany in the 90s.
There is no such beast as a 'Super Majority' in British politics.
As far as I recall the 80 seat Tory majority should have enabled them to wipe the floor with the opposition. That went well didn’t it? Particularly how easy it was to get through some of the more lunatic bills like the Brexit deal, Northern Ireland, Rwanda to mention only three. Once you have forty or fifty majority you should win every vote hands down.
If they didn't want a Labour 'supermajority' then they should have enacted conservative policies that the people voted them in in 2019 to carry out. Simple.
You made it happen mate. Vote Reform if you want reform.
As opposed to the actual damage that’s been done to the country, culture, trust, democracy. From brexit, through the illegal prorogation of parliament, and there were no parties, if there were parties I wasn’t aware, via PPE VIP and the mini budget up to and including seven bin meat tax gaslighting seemingly encouraging the boats, D day and, let’s see what happens tomorrow.
At this point I’d feel safer if the post office management team had a supermajority
Party first, country second
Maybe a big majority where Labour "can do whatever they like" is not the worst thing...
The problem w/ Blair in 1997 was that he didn't do anything with the freedom it gave him, to make transformational change. As Roy Jenkins said: "Majorities are for spending." The freedom to do what is unpopular is the only way to do this. (Since 2010, no govt has had the opportunity.). Instead, Blair just polished his majority for 2001.
So I hope Starmer doesn't do that. Don't go nuts. But use the political capital you have to fix the long-term.
I wonder if he'd have the same worries if we were staring down the barrel of a massive Tory majority? Hmm 🧐
But they will raise council tax and introduce the drive per mile tax 🤷♀️
An 80 seat majority was enough for the Tories to implement the "will of the people".
They had no problem when they had a large majority
Who cares if there are +-100 tory mps. They and labour are advocating for the same policies! Hope they get as low as possible as a warning of not implementing what people voted them in for.
The reason the Tories are in a mess can be attributed to Hague, Cameron, and Finkleston. All of them would be better served being in the Lib Dems.
Hilarious argument given the Tories pushing through appalling legislation and MPs refusal to resign!
Torys don’t seem to be doing all that well with their governing.
So, a majority of 80 in 2019 was absolutely fine. We understand bias, but Hague has lost it completely.
Oh really, the tories never seem to have a problem when they have a massive majority and can push through any law they fancy. We have pretty much ALWAYS elected a dictatorship, that is what FPTP creates.
Can’t seem to find a video of William Hague having concerns around democracy after the Tory majority in 2019…. odd.
So its a worry to have too big a labour majority because "labour MPs will be able to do whatever they want and never have to resign" - I mean did a tory really say that 🤣🤣🤣
Labour will just do with a big majority, the same as the Tory party did with a big majority, they shafted the country, and ignored the will of the people, so only option we have, is reform or Lib Dem
I believe Churchill said all I need is a majority of one.
If you have a majority of 20 or 200 it becomes rather academic. As for a Labour government for 20 years who can predict the out come of future elections after all when Boris Johnson won the media said he would be in power for the next 15 years, then look what happened.
Funny isn’t it? I can’t find any reference to this being such a problem when May was projected to get a 200 seat majority, or when Johnson got an 80 seat majority in 2019.
Wait these conservatives have been speaking on behalf of the people for years and telling us there’s no love for Labour - what happened?
Sunak awarded government contracts to his wife's company millions of pounds 🎉
Not to limply point out political hypocrisy but there is no way a single conservative would give a single F if the shoe was on the other foot.
Well tough for the Tories, who's fault, is it? They have no one to blame but themselves.
So it is down to the public once again, only this time we should not vote out the cons too badly because thats bad for the country … well why did they not think of that before trashing us all? for the last 14 years? I so hope we can go to Proportional Voting and we will see such a change. Let the loonies have a say and it will show us all just how bad they are (left or right)
Beg, cope, and seethe, Tory. I love to see it.
Hague was a prat in his younger days. recently been sounding less of a robot and now gone back to being a prat.
The number of seats is irrelevant. If you have an overall majority, the government can pass through any bill. Johnson had an overall majority of 80 seats, the combined votes of the opposition was not enough to defeat the government. So in his narrow soup kitchen if a mind thats ok. It seems that, for s supposed "clever dude". simple maths is a challenge.
Steady on, William. Green will split the left vote a bit and reform the right. Campaigning that its dangerous for a party to get too many votes in a democracy is a bit...well...undemocratic.
This is the price of brexit . The parties... the lies .. the corruption...
Stop Kier Stalin and vote Reform.
Hague, the first of the three dud leaders before the Tories chose the spiv has nothing to say that will help.
To late to worry now
I think that horse bolted long ago. Your party fked up, Hague.
Perhaps Hague should have warned the Tories about their shenanigans over the last 14 years , but he was too busy swanning around with the likes of Angelina Jolie.
Maybe the tories should have implemented brexit with there majority vote rather than keeping us closer to these EU dictators
The Tories should have been conservative but they weren't.
Ah, Hague warns of.... Well, didn't see him warning the country when the Tories had an 80 seat majority. Complete nonsense of course from a serial political failure.
Boris had an 80 seat majority so ....
Why is it that when William Hague says it, it's somehow not vocal fry? Dear God.
It sounds far worse on women.
The poling day is predicted a low turnout Labour needs every vote to get the conservative out. Vote Labour. 😅😅😅
The sheer brass neck of these guys, they remind me of a fisherman who aint caught anything for days, just casting their rod in one more time, hoping some of these pesky fish will take a bite.
Minister resign?!?
Still voting for Farage
William Hague was a joke when he was relevant. Now, he just comes across as pathetic.
So he is against a huge mandate from the people lol
We need a strong opposition - yep, a resurgent Lib Democrat Party hopefully
They probably will win, but they’ll be just as incompetent as you
REVENGE OF THE COAL.MINER,S..😂😂😂😂😂
Oh go away cue ball
Vote Labour get the Tories out .