The actors playing Tom and Greg became real close friends. Which would explain why they have such a amazing chemistry together. Their scenes are always a joy to watch.
13:42 Damn, that freaking shot of Logan standing behind Kendall at the dinner table, fists on Ken's shoulders, absolutely fucking looming over him. Woof, I love how much this show plays with visual symbolism.
A small detail I picked up on watching this reaction is the part where Logan berates Tom over him not conceiving a grandson for him. This is interesting because; a) he only wants a son, potentially to serve as an heir, which makes you question what his plan with Shiv is. And b) He already HAS a grandson. Though it’s clear he isn’t interested in Iverson due to either his neurodivergence or something else. Just adds another insidious layer to Logan’s character.
@@universalpower419Nope, Iverson has been implied to have been conceived from a Sperm donor. This was alluded early in the series and in the series finale by Roman.
I remember reading somewhere that Logan/Boar on the Floor is supposed to have Stalin parallels. He would host these boozy dinner parties, get his men drunk and then play mean jokes and get info out of them. Also fun fact the actors who play Roman and Gerri have known each other/been friends for 20+ years. The husband J Smith-Cameron (who plays Gerri) Kenneth Longeran did a play with Kieran Culkin in 2003!
@@akshayhere Khrushchev was an antagonist of Stalin within the party. Therefore, his account of Stalin should not be taken as an unbiased fact. A significant myth about the USSR is that they killed all opponents when they won the revolution. However, there were right-wing people within the party with different ideologies who disagreed on how to conduct certain policies, even if the final goal was the same. Some people even wanted to restore capitalism; there was a caste within the party with its own interests, power struggles, and egos. The party was not a monolith as everyone thinks. When Stalin died (and his successor, Lavrentiy Beria, was assassinated), the opposition (Khrushchev), more to the right of Stalin, won. This started the opening of the USSR to capitalism. In 1956, Khrushchev delivered the famous secret speech, where he spoke about how Stalin was stupid, incompetent, and bloodthirsty, anti-Leninist, anti-communist, and that the USSR needed to de-Stalinize. Therefore, Khrushchev is hardly a reliable source on Stalin. Edit: I recommend Michael Sayers e Albert E. Kahn book The Great Conspiracy: The Secret War Against Soviet Russia (1946) and if you can read german Ulrich Huar texts about Stalin. Not sure he has is a book in english, I read a compilation of his text edited in book in my native language.
@@ElleDursten I never insinuated that they killed all their opponents (though did kill a lot), nor that the party was a monolith. It's ok if you don't wanna take his word for it, but none of the historical data is really unbiased is it? Not even the ones you would bring up. It is no falsehood that Stalin had cult of personality and a lot of the documents praising him ase also biased. Krushchev was also part of the machine, he just dumped a lot of the blame to Stalin. I'm sure there were exaggerations though. Stalin was a dictator. This is not very debatable. Though the structure of the Soviet government was more complicated than it is often understood in the United States, Stalin ruled with an iron fist. He micromanaged Soviet life, brooked no serious opposition, and issued degrees that could not be deviated from or challenged. He effectively outlawed entire fields of study (genetics, cybernetics, lots of other things). In some sense, the best one can do is say that Stalin genuinely appeared to have cared about the USSR in some sort of larger sense. The individual people within it, though, were often subsumed to that greater purpose. So from Stalin's point of view, locking up a substantial portion of the population as "wreckers" was a good thing for the USSR, because "wreckers" (and Trotskyites and so on) were, by definition, bad for the USSR. Of course, we know now, and many people knew then, that most of the people locked up for political crimes were in fact fairly arbitrarily incarcerated. This is entirely neglecting the disaster that was collectivization (which killed many millions), the disastrous way Stalin micromanaged World War II (almost losing everything), and the the levels of cruelty and depravity he permitted amongst his immediate subordinates (look up Beria's r*pe "habit").
The Gerri/Greg difference Logan has when they have doubts is hilarious: Gerri has doubts: "Honesty! Finally." Greg has doubts: "Oh? Fucking doubter. Boar on the floor."
I was already in by this ep, but this was the one that made me really know this series was truly special. Always one to watch in full and it's anxiety inducing every time! The way Logan stands behind Kendall like his dark master is such a striking image. Brian Cox is incredible in this one. I also love the stark contrast of the tender bond of Greg and Tom, compared to Shiv calling him a meat puppet, some guy who works for her and then cheating on him. Ouch. There's also a line of dialogue in this that I must remember to flag up later down the track that only hits on rewatches.
what did you think about the shows ending, I can appreciate that its realistic and the shiv was too jealous and couldn't stomach giving it to Kendall but it just left a whole in my stomach about tom winning I just you know...
Logan is a puppeteer. Look at how the moment he puts his hands on to Ken he strarts interrogating his brother. Using him broken as he is to his benefit. It is insane.
Tom definitely sees a lot of his past self in Greg, as someone who is from outside this world and is kinda family but also not really family at all in any way that matters. Tom probably also feels like Greg is one of the few people he can be both as openly honest and as blatantly horrible as he wants to be, whereas with Shiv and the rest of the family he's always pussyfooting around, terrified of saying the wrong thing.
Remember later in this season and show that while Tom was being humiliated in front of Shiv's entire family, Logan specifically and every major exec that he works with, Shiv was stepping out on their marriage for a "little number."
Best episode for Tom just how he protects Greg. Shiv is so cold in this one, “just a guy who works for me.” I get both sides, in terms of her not wanting to only be with Tom (plenty of people are in this camp, even married folk), but Tom should either do the same or bounce. Just my opinion
I don’t know if you already mentioned this but the actors that play Laird (the banker) and Logan both played Striker on Fox’s X-Men, Origins: Wolverine and X-2 respectively
I never once believed Logan was realistically going to make Shiv his replacement. After everything he’s done & built I just couldn’t see him handing it all over to his daughter out of pure nepotism. Obviously he’s fine with a degree of nepotism but I also think he has a line with it
I'm extremely disappointed I you guys ( YOU FANS not blind wave) Why haven't you fans shown Eric, Calvin, Aaron and Rick Kung fu Hustle?! For shame blind wave watcher, shame on you all.
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Eric: "That was the most uncomfortable this show has made me."
Well, it's all uphill from here.
Don't worry guys, you will definitely know who Moe is. 😆
@@Quzga he touched us all
Mr. Lester
He was a man
The actors playing Tom and Greg became real close friends. Which would explain why they have such a amazing chemistry together. Their scenes are always a joy to watch.
13:42 Damn, that freaking shot of Logan standing behind Kendall at the dinner table, fists on Ken's shoulders, absolutely fucking looming over him.
Woof, I love how much this show plays with visual symbolism.
Also when Kendall speaks it's like Logan is speaking through him like he's nothing more than a puppet at that point.
This is how I like to imagine the crew decides important team stuff at meetings, throw sausages at eachother😂
A small detail I picked up on watching this reaction is the part where Logan berates Tom over him not conceiving a grandson for him.
This is interesting because; a) he only wants a son, potentially to serve as an heir, which makes you question what his plan with Shiv is. And b) He already HAS a grandson. Though it’s clear he isn’t interested in Iverson due to either his neurodivergence or something else. Just adds another insidious layer to Logan’s character.
Iverson is also not Kendall’s biological son which is a huge concern for Logan (which Roman brought up in the series finale).
@@136minutes The girl is not his biological daugther, the boy is.
@@universalpower419Nope, Iverson has been implied to have been conceived from a Sperm donor. This was alluded early in the series and in the series finale by Roman.
I remember reading somewhere that Logan/Boar on the Floor is supposed to have Stalin parallels. He would host these boozy dinner parties, get his men drunk and then play mean jokes and get info out of them. Also fun fact the actors who play Roman and Gerri have known each other/been friends for 20+ years. The husband J Smith-Cameron (who plays Gerri) Kenneth Longeran did a play with Kieran Culkin in 2003!
red scare bullshite propaganda
So she really knew him as a kid, maybe not child, but pretty young
@@ElleDurstennot really Kruschev attested to it. And even modern day well attested work by Oleg Khlevniuk confirm the same.
@@akshayhere Khrushchev was an antagonist of Stalin within the party. Therefore, his account of Stalin should not be taken as an unbiased fact. A significant myth about the USSR is that they killed all opponents when they won the revolution. However, there were right-wing people within the party with different ideologies who disagreed on how to conduct certain policies, even if the final goal was the same. Some people even wanted to restore capitalism; there was a caste within the party with its own interests, power struggles, and egos.
The party was not a monolith as everyone thinks. When Stalin died (and his successor, Lavrentiy Beria, was assassinated), the opposition (Khrushchev), more to the right of Stalin, won. This started the opening of the USSR to capitalism. In 1956, Khrushchev delivered the famous secret speech, where he spoke about how Stalin was stupid, incompetent, and bloodthirsty, anti-Leninist, anti-communist, and that the USSR needed to de-Stalinize.
Therefore, Khrushchev is hardly a reliable source on Stalin.
Edit: I recommend Michael Sayers e Albert E. Kahn book The Great Conspiracy: The Secret War Against Soviet Russia (1946) and if you can read german Ulrich Huar texts about Stalin. Not sure he has is a book in english, I read a compilation of his text edited in book in my native language.
@@ElleDursten I never insinuated that they killed all their opponents (though did kill a lot), nor that the party was a monolith. It's ok if you don't wanna take his word for it, but none of the historical data is really unbiased is it? Not even the ones you would bring up. It is no falsehood that Stalin had cult of personality and a lot of the documents praising him ase also biased. Krushchev was also part of the machine, he just dumped a lot of the blame to Stalin.
I'm sure there were exaggerations though. Stalin was a dictator. This is not very debatable. Though the structure of the Soviet government was more complicated than it is often understood in the United States, Stalin ruled with an iron fist. He micromanaged Soviet life, brooked no serious opposition, and issued degrees that could not be deviated from or challenged.
He effectively outlawed entire fields of study (genetics, cybernetics, lots of other things). In some sense, the best one can do is say that Stalin genuinely appeared to have cared about the USSR in some sort of larger sense. The individual people within it, though, were often subsumed to that greater purpose. So from Stalin's point of view, locking up a substantial portion of the population as "wreckers" was a good thing for the USSR, because "wreckers" (and Trotskyites and so on) were, by definition, bad for the USSR. Of course, we know now, and many people knew then, that most of the people locked up for political crimes were in fact fairly arbitrarily incarcerated.
This is entirely neglecting the disaster that was collectivization (which killed many millions), the disastrous way Stalin micromanaged World War II (almost losing everything), and the the levels of cruelty and depravity he permitted amongst his immediate subordinates (look up Beria's r*pe "habit").
The Gerri/Greg difference Logan has when they have doubts is hilarious:
Gerri has doubts: "Honesty! Finally."
Greg has doubts: "Oh? Fucking doubter. Boar on the floor."
😂 true. One he actually respects, to a degree he respects anyone
I was already in by this ep, but this was the one that made me really know this series was truly special. Always one to watch in full and it's anxiety inducing every time! The way Logan stands behind Kendall like his dark master is such a striking image. Brian Cox is incredible in this one. I also love the stark contrast of the tender bond of Greg and Tom, compared to Shiv calling him a meat puppet, some guy who works for her and then cheating on him. Ouch. There's also a line of dialogue in this that I must remember to flag up later down the track that only hits on rewatches.
what line of dialogue?
what did you think about the shows ending, I can appreciate that its realistic and the shiv was too jealous and couldn't stomach giving it to Kendall but it just left a whole in my stomach about tom winning I just you know...
Tom and Greg are the heart of this show and that says A LOT
Logan is a puppeteer. Look at how the moment he puts his hands on to Ken he strarts interrogating his brother. Using him broken as he is to his benefit. It is insane.
Tom bullies Greg but it’s clear that he does have a genuine affection for him
I think of them as Walter and Jesse if they were 19x more cowardly.
Tom definitely sees a lot of his past self in Greg, as someone who is from outside this world and is kinda family but also not really family at all in any way that matters.
Tom probably also feels like Greg is one of the few people he can be both as openly honest and as blatantly horrible as he wants to be, whereas with Shiv and the rest of the family he's always pussyfooting around, terrified of saying the wrong thing.
@@barryaran6147 Yes, people kinda treat them as Rick and Morty, but I think Tom is dependent on Greg. Greg is a Roy, Tom is an outisider
There friendship is made so well
This entire show is one of the best things I've ever seen, but this season is a true masterpiece.
Tom and Greg crack me up!
I can't wait for them to find out what Mo is short for.
BOAR ON THE FLOOR!
Remember later in this season and show that while Tom was being humiliated in front of Shiv's entire family, Logan specifically and every major exec that he works with, Shiv was stepping out on their marriage for a "little number."
Greg and Tom have a pretty fascinating relationship
7:18 One of the most accurate things Connor has ever said.
Connor is a knucklehead, but he does know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Best episode for Tom just how he protects Greg. Shiv is so cold in this one, “just a guy who works for me.” I get both sides, in terms of her not wanting to only be with Tom (plenty of people are in this camp, even married folk), but Tom should either do the same or bounce. Just my opinion
Connor's presidential campaign is iconic I love every scene about it
Oink for your patreons piggies!
No one is ever prepared for ‘Boar on the Floor’ 🫠
"Boar on the Floor". What an episode.
It's hilarious that you guys are watching this episode while the Trump stuff is going on.
I don’t know if you already mentioned this but the actors that play Laird (the banker) and Logan both played Striker on Fox’s X-Men, Origins: Wolverine and X-2 respectively
This episode is when I knew I was watching one of the all time greatest shows ever.
Wasn't Moe already mentioned in a previous episode?
Yes with cruises, but full story still to come
No half hearted oink!
2 William Strikers together
The editor cutting out “I. WILL. WIN.” Is a warcrime
the hog chopter is believe it or not... nessisary... wild hogs DESTROY the enviorment
I never once believed Logan was realistically going to make Shiv his replacement.
After everything he’s done & built I just couldn’t see him handing it all over to his daughter out of pure nepotism.
Obviously he’s fine with a degree of nepotism but I also think he has a line with it
Wait til they find out what MO is short for, lol
Boar on the floor?
I know only 2 adults that drink milk (in cereal or coffee doesn't count), it is bizarre to see an adult drinking a plain glass of milk.
I'm extremely disappointed I you guys ( YOU FANS not blind wave)
Why haven't you fans shown Eric, Calvin, Aaron and Rick Kung fu Hustle?!
For shame blind wave watcher, shame on you all.
Stop talking over every second line of dialogue.