From a materials standpoint this is really interesting to see. I suspect heating an unbroken symbol, not welding just blasting it with a torch for a bit, would have similar results because you will have removed the work hardening. if that's the case I bet you could improve the sound somewhat by tapping the heated area with a hammer.
Cody???? Nice to see you here! Good feedback too, as cymbals DO indeed get their noise mostly from the hammering and heat treatment! When you disrupt that hammering with welds, it causes the vibrations to not spread evenly, and concentrate on that one spot, making a bonk.
I'm 53yrs old and have been playing drums since i was 14. AND I have a degree in music education. Just letting you know you're not getting this info from some knuckle head....I avoid cracks with sandpaper. Periodically a check all my cymbals by running my fingers around the edge. When I feel 'something' I investigate with a magnifying glass. Sometimes it's just old stick hanging out. Sometimes its the start of a crack. Wet down some 180 grit sand paper. And go to work on the 'bad' area until you can't feel it with your fingers anymore. Then you use some wet 500 grit and 'finish' the area. Takes less than 10min. and I have no issues with my cymblas.... I actually wore a flat spot into a splash cymbal that had close to a 1/16" crack in it with this technique. No more crack. Sounds just fine. I have both drilled and cut cymbals when they were damaged. Once broke as many as 11 cymbals in an 18 month period. Trust me when I say, I will never cut or drill another cymbal.
In terms of stress on the material; it's maximal at the max deflection in an oscillating system iirc I think you're right in that because the middle has the biggest distance wobbled, it's copping the peak stress
That seems like an easy way to get a snappier cymbal without a choke. A natural choke at the expense of it being muted. But it also allows you to choke rapidly, which could be an interesting sound.
You can fix the welded one to make it crisper. But you need to do some sanding and agressive brass polishing. It's nit gonna be a Z custom when you are done. It's gonna be a fraken-brass.
Out of sheer curiosity, since you can save a symbol by cutting out from the edge, could that deceased symbol have been "saved" by cutting the cracks out of the center? It would look hilarious, a giant perforated symbol, but would it sound closer to the original than the weld?
Not a cymbal expert, but what I know about sheet metal from aviation mechanic school: Maybe. The thing about a crack is the sharp ends are stress risers, it's a single point where stress concentrates. Drilling the ends of the crack out to put even a small circle on it is often enough to keep the crack from continuing. Taking something like a hole saw to it and punching the entire crack out in favor of a perfectly circular hole, and properly de-burring said hole, might just solve the crack. Whether it will preserve the sound of the cymbal? I dunno.
While I agree that Z/Z Custom/Z3 are among the worst cymbals made out of b20 bronze you cannot forget the iconic Mega Bell ride. I'm a "little bit of everything" drummer and this thing (or an equivalent, as the original ones are harder and harder to find) is a MUST HAVE for metal recordings. Maybe a video about weird/unusual rides? Mega bells, flat rides, this paiste gigabell psychoctopus etc...
i have a welded one like that that i actually used for a song of my dad during recording... sadly it was never released and while the song was being done he died in a crash and i was the one playing that exact beat,and it was good! i wonder how it would be if he didnt die right before its release
I know nothing about symbol making so forgive me if this sounds extremely smooth brained, but after braising, shouldn't you still grind down the weld spot and temper the symbol? Is that not possible with a symbols manufacturing process?
There should be a discount for just sending in the old ones to melt down and make new ones from lol. 5% off for each one sent in send in 20 get a free one.
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It just sounds flat. Hit any big thin piece of metal not designed to be a cymbal and you'll get a similar sound. It's just dead, can't vibrate from all the extra material weighing it down.
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I can't imagine how sad that person was after they put in the effort to braze what was likely their favorite symbol and just hearing that dead tink afterwords. Would have been heart breaking. Thanks for the video, hopefully it will prevent others from making the same mistake.
i don't know what they expected. they put too much stress into it, making it useless. Also every welder knows that the area around the weld that was heated is the most brittle, and is always prone to cracking. And clearly they didn't even try much. Cymbal wasn't even preheated before the weld, bad welding technique and no post-weld heat treatment to reduce the stresses. That's why it looks as bad as it does, sounds as bad as it does and is cracked around the original crack.
@@kasparsjansons9220 they expected it to work would be my guess 😄 Access to the internet is great, but it can lead to overconfidence. They probably googled "how to fix a cracked cymbal" saw the word braze, googled how to do it, and did it. Can't blame them. Everything seems easy when you are just reading or watching a video about it. Doing it is something else entirely. Everyone has messed up at one point or another. And man, how sad that must have been for them. But I'm glad there's people out there making videos like this to show people what not to do. Mistakes are still going to happen. But this video may prevent someone from making this specific mistake.
It sounded a bit "off" to me, something subtle, but a bit weird. No matter, though. It still sounds like a cymbal, unlike the welded one which sounds like a stop sign.
Just commenting to let you know that the way you demonstrated the a/b changes with the symbols was the best you've done so far IMO. As a none drummer having them compared back to back a/b very fast was really helpful as well as *especially* the part with the backing of the drums which made it very obvious what a proper 'crash' is supposed to sound like
I always heard from various teachers a quick fix that seemed to work while keeping that unique cracked sound was to drill a hole at the ends of each crack to stop it from propagating more.
Engineer here, circular holes are the universal best way to dissipate stress. Be it airplane windows (used to be filleted squares, caused numerous crashes), or simply a cymbal, the circle from the drill hole removes the hard edge where the stress all piles up on
I've tried it on several cymbals but it keeps cracking for me, and I drilled it several mm above the crack. I think the best option is to just cut it out. When you leave the crack it sounds weird
@tfk_001 oh man, airplane windows. De Havilland learned that the hard way, didn't they? (For those reading out of the loop: the De Havilland Comet was the first jet airliner to enter regular service. After a year or two a series of fatal crashes forced them to be grounded while engineers trouble-shot. Surprise surprise, it was the square windows.)
I actually really like the sound of the welded one! Obviously it doesn't function as a crash anymore, but it sounds muted, it's still capable of making an interesting sound, though obviously not for its original purpose.
i am with you. it is bot usable as a crash anymore but still very much as a piece of musical equipment. the engineering that went into it is astounding! to make a broken cymbal sound like a closed hi hat is remarkable!
I actually love the dead, muted DINK noise. Sounds like it would be at home in a kitchen kit of unusual drums with pots and pans. I have this gloriously ringy fan motor housing that would be a long-tailed compliment to this.
As we've all seen from the cymbal manufacturing videos, B20 bronze goes brittle like glass if you heat it and cool it slowly without quenching in water. So when you weld the cracks shut, you create these very inelastic, brittle parts in the cymbal that have no flex in them at all. Then you hit it, and the force of the blow probably re-cracks the cymbal immediately. Then you again have loads of cracked metal surfaces rubbing against each other, and the reason it becomes so muted is because the vibrations dampen right away in the cracks as the two sides of the crack chafe together. The same mechanism that doesn't allow stacked cymbals to ring either. They choke themselves out, essentially. What I'd really like to see is someone doing the quenching process to the best of their ability right after each weld. To try and get the best possible springy crystalline structure back in the metal. I'm just blatantly assuming that wasn't done with this Z Custom, well, because the way that it is.
Yup, copper-based alloys (well, face-centered cubic system alloys, includes gold, silver, etc, a lot of non-ferrous stuff) with heat harden if allowed to cool slowly. Getting this cymbal to a medium red hot and then quickly quenching it will soften the whole thing and might make it sound a bit more like a cymbal. Or make it sound like total garbage.
@@AmaraTheBarbarianI think that's what he was talking about at the end. Brazing probably could work and not affect it too bad if done by someone who knows what they are doing. It won't be as strong as a weld though since you haven't literally melted the cymbal... And if you keep beating on it chances are the brazing will crack again.
Now I'm curious if you could solder a crack in a cymbal - that'd be extremely localized heat, and minimal added material, so maybe it wouldn't totally wreck the sound.
Chrrrrist I wasn't expecting that much of a difference! Not being a drummer (guitarist!) I assumed it'd just sound a little duller but wow. Welding absolutely killed it.
There are also new cracks from the stress of the cooling welds. Whole cymbal's trashed. Cutting out cracks with a grinding tool really seems to be the only fix.
I burst out crying laughing when i heard the welded cymbal being crashed, fuck me. Thats beyond bonk, that poor thing just lets out a sigh everytime its hit now.
Now you (or James) have to take it to the next step, make your own welded Frankencymbal. It would be an unworthy successor to the 3D printed ones you made and unmade before.
Welding or braising seems like it would wreck any stamped piece, with different materials and the heat warping hardness consistency. With edge cracks, I’ve had them cut back in diameter. I guess they used a lathe of some sort. Like you, I find it better to just snip off any dangerous shards and keep playing it til the bell explodes 😅
In order to stop a crack with welding, you've got to drill a hole at the end of the crack first, and then weld it up, otherwise the crack will reappear. At 5:55, it doesn't appear that has been done to any of the cracks.
The wacky cymbal series is the gift that keeps on giving. We need to see all of them together in one cursed setup. But wow, welder dad managed to make the true competitor to the ultra dry bonk, but without the shine.
i never thought i'd hear a cymbal that sounds like a closed hihat... it's kinda amazing
for lazy mates who don't wanna bother with their hi hat pedals
It's hella impressive, I wonder how long did the first owner used it before welding it.
For real, I wanna sample this so bad
@@asura_dayooo basically x-hats
I thought it sounded like a stack. I don't hate it actually
From a materials standpoint this is really interesting to see. I suspect heating an unbroken symbol, not welding just blasting it with a torch for a bit, would have similar results because you will have removed the work hardening. if that's the case I bet you could improve the sound somewhat by tapping the heated area with a hammer.
Cody???? Nice to see you here! Good feedback too, as cymbals DO indeed get their noise mostly from the hammering and heat treatment! When you disrupt that hammering with welds, it causes the vibrations to not spread evenly, and concentrate on that one spot, making a bonk.
I'm 53yrs old and have been playing drums since i was 14. AND I have a degree in music education. Just letting you know you're not getting this info from some knuckle head....I avoid cracks with sandpaper. Periodically a check all my cymbals by running my fingers around the edge. When I feel 'something' I investigate with a magnifying glass. Sometimes it's just old stick hanging out. Sometimes its the start of a crack. Wet down some 180 grit sand paper. And go to work on the 'bad' area until you can't feel it with your fingers anymore. Then you use some wet 500 grit and 'finish' the area. Takes less than 10min. and I have no issues with my cymblas.... I actually wore a flat spot into a splash cymbal that had close to a 1/16" crack in it with this technique. No more crack. Sounds just fine. I have both drilled and cut cymbals when they were damaged. Once broke as many as 11 cymbals in an 18 month period. Trust me when I say, I will never cut or drill another cymbal.
I wasn’t aware that Z made stop signs shaped like cymbs. That’s definitely a “custom” work.
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Always great when the sound of hitting a piece of metal with a stick immediately makes me burst into laughter.
The sight of that welded cymbal made me weep profusely. Then I heard the sound.
That welded crash would make a great foundation for a stacked cymbal.
Literally 10% of the sound of the original symbol oh my god
That chomped Paiste at the end out here still sounding better than 99% of the cymbal population, that's wild
Seeing the good one right next to the welded one looks like those pics that show a normal lung and a smoker's lung LOL
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You couldn’t describe that symbol more accurately! I laughed so fucking hard when I heard that first hit and I don’t even know anything about drums!
In terms of stress on the material; it's maximal at the max deflection in an oscillating system iirc
I think you're right in that because the middle has the biggest distance wobbled, it's copping the peak stress
Idk I kinda like the zombiefied lookin one in the side-by-side play comparisons, it's funky
Industrial repair method makes industrial sound.
That seems like an easy way to get a snappier cymbal without a choke. A natural choke at the expense of it being muted. But it also allows you to choke rapidly, which could be an interesting sound.
I've never heard a cymbal go BONK until now. Bwahahahaha love it.
I know shit all about cymbals and drums but this was entertaining as hell
You can fix the welded one to make it crisper. But you need to do some sanding and agressive brass polishing. It's nit gonna be a Z custom when you are done. It's gonna be a fraken-brass.
Out of sheer curiosity, since you can save a symbol by cutting out from the edge, could that deceased symbol have been "saved" by cutting the cracks out of the center? It would look hilarious, a giant perforated symbol, but would it sound closer to the original than the weld?
Not a cymbal expert, but what I know about sheet metal from aviation mechanic school: Maybe. The thing about a crack is the sharp ends are stress risers, it's a single point where stress concentrates. Drilling the ends of the crack out to put even a small circle on it is often enough to keep the crack from continuing. Taking something like a hole saw to it and punching the entire crack out in favor of a perfectly circular hole, and properly de-burring said hole, might just solve the crack. Whether it will preserve the sound of the cymbal? I dunno.
Yep! I see it all the time. I have several cymbals with oblong holes to fix bow cracks and they still sound good
One of the examples (not Wade's but a different drummer's) from the "cut out and repaired" cymbals vid was in the centre
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Well you wanted a dry cymbal in a previous video. Now you've got a Z dry.
I'd be curious to see how that sounds in a stack. I think it could sound really cool
"Improved" crash cymbal vs. metal dust bin lid
In all fairness you could probably make a cool trash stack out of that cymbal
Sounds like a cymbal they’d use in stomp. XP
I read the thumbnail text as 'She's gonna mate'
3:59 "it might as well just be a big piece of wood" HOLD UP! I would watch that!
Please compare the dead cymbal to a wood cymbal.
I audibly laughed when I heard the cymbal for the first time
i'm really into the sound of it. it's not what you want from a normal cymbal but it could totally fun one in some avant garde shit
Have you ever made a Frankenstein kit out of all your worst drumparts??
bestie thats a corpse. how can a hunk of metal be DEAD.
They somehow managed to turn a cymbal into something that sounds like a shaker made of metal. This is impressive LMAO
As a non-drummer, I expected this to be a video for snob drummers and that I could barely hear any difference.
Never have I been so wrong.
Yeah Wade doesn't do snob videos.
Sounds like the stop sign
While I agree that Z/Z Custom/Z3 are among the worst cymbals made out of b20 bronze you cannot forget the iconic Mega Bell ride. I'm a "little bit of everything" drummer and this thing (or an equivalent, as the original ones are harder and harder to find) is a MUST HAVE for metal recordings. Maybe a video about weird/unusual rides? Mega bells, flat rides, this paiste gigabell psychoctopus etc...
i have a welded one like that that i actually used for a song of my dad during recording... sadly it was never released and while the song was being done he died in a crash and i was the one playing that exact beat,and it was good! i wonder how it would be if he didnt die right before its release
Good stack cymbal
I kinda liked it at the end.
sounds like the dirty buds aussie
Jesus, that's not even a donk, that's a dink.
it just went clunk
I audibly gasped at how bad the welded cymbal sounded. Jesus, that thing needs to be melted down.
All 3 could be used in specific situations
They need welded with tone rod. And tone mix shielding gas.
I'm not a drummer but it sounds great. I don't really see a problem with it.
Neat symbal. How many parry frames does it have?
Ironically looks decayed despite have no decay whatsoever, it's a feature not a fault!
Honestly doesn't sound bad as a high hat
Sounds kinda like a closed hat...lol
I made a set of cabinet scrapers out of one
I know nothing about symbol making so forgive me if this sounds extremely smooth brained, but after braising, shouldn't you still grind down the weld spot and temper the symbol? Is that not possible with a symbols manufacturing process?
I like Z custom, first thing that bought me iz the letter Z!
The welded cymbal sounds worse than some trashcan lids... the garbage can lids were much more musical. 😂
...what was the cookie monster incident?
I don't even like drums, but this is great. I'm convinced that I could watch this man file his tax returns and have a wail of a time
Sample it, I'm sure it will fit somewhere.
Good practice cymbal, wont get a noise complaints with that one
You make me wanna learn how to drum but i don't live alone 😢
There should be a discount for just sending in the old ones to melt down and make new ones from lol. 5% off for each one sent in send in 20 get a free one.
I literally laughed out loud at the first hit of the welded cymbal.
Sounded like a cat sneezing.
same, I died laughing
Same. I nearly choked on my snack oh my gosh
I think the cat's louder:
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the welded cymbal nearly made me piss laughing. fuckin' garbage can lid sounding ass turbo dad bodged nonsense. love it.
literally like banging a piece of fucking metal, holy shit, at that point you might as well just grab a rod of rebar and go ham with that instead
I love in the world of cymbals, a “successful repair” is the surgeon equivalent of “he had a bruise so we amputated the whole damn thing”
Cracks in cymbals are more like a gangrenous limb or digit
@@krisjoostemore like cancer than gangrene
@@krisjooste Yup.
He didn't ruin it. He just turned it into a very expressive cowbell.
@@Martin_the_WarriorALWAYS MORE COWBELL
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successfully imbuing a Zildjian with the sound, soul, and spirit of a bin lid is actually quite impressive in my book
"Bin lid" was exactly where my mind went too!
Oscar the Grouch would be proud to add it to his kit 😂
i think it would be fun to do like a “lofi” kit with a bunch of messed up weird sounding drums/cymbals
me at 7 years old banging on pots and trashcans:
Quick and dirty method is old tshirts on all the toms, sets of keys on the dead cymbals, heavy leather wallet on the snare.
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The Z Custom Welded sounds like a stack.
Impressive for a single piece of bronze.
I would argue that its not one piece of bronze anymore
Thats probably the cracks shaking and rubbing against eachother XD
I love the "Z custom welded" like that's a special model or something
It just sounds flat. Hit any big thin piece of metal not designed to be a cymbal and you'll get a similar sound. It's just dead, can't vibrate from all the extra material weighing it down.
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I can't imagine how sad that person was after they put in the effort to braze what was likely their favorite symbol and just hearing that dead tink afterwords. Would have been heart breaking.
Thanks for the video, hopefully it will prevent others from making the same mistake.
i don't know what they expected. they put too much stress into it, making it useless. Also every welder knows that the area around the weld that was heated is the most brittle, and is always prone to cracking. And clearly they didn't even try much. Cymbal wasn't even preheated before the weld, bad welding technique and no post-weld heat treatment to reduce the stresses. That's why it looks as bad as it does, sounds as bad as it does and is cracked around the original crack.
@@kasparsjansons9220 they expected it to work would be my guess 😄
Access to the internet is great, but it can lead to overconfidence. They probably googled "how to fix a cracked cymbal" saw the word braze, googled how to do it, and did it. Can't blame them. Everything seems easy when you are just reading or watching a video about it. Doing it is something else entirely. Everyone has messed up at one point or another. And man, how sad that must have been for them. But I'm glad there's people out there making videos like this to show people what not to do. Mistakes are still going to happen. But this video may prevent someone from making this specific mistake.
Like when I tried polishing my glasses after the film on them peeled.
that cymbal is the embodiment of “please end me, i’m in constant pain”
Nope, its set for purgatory in the live streams 😂
It screams "I'm tired, boss."
Hans Moleman as a symbal.
It sounds like hyperalgesia
“Every moment of my life…is agony” *aggressive vomiting*
sounds like kicking a chain fence
Haunting my dreams tonight 👍🏻
or just dropping some chains too
That Paiste with a bite taken out of it has my favorite sound to date. I love the warm sound it makes, it's just an amazing instrument.
It sounded a bit "off" to me, something subtle, but a bit weird. No matter, though. It still sounds like a cymbal, unlike the welded one which sounds like a stop sign.
@@AnonyMous-pi9zm I like how we actually know what a stop sign sounds like because of this channel.
With that specific beat the welded one actually worked really well.
That’s the sign of a good musician, being able to work with what garbage you’re given
I wanna hear it used for covers of St Anger songs
@@Karmy. Ah a fellow St.Anger enjoyer. I whip out my worst pair of headphones just to listen to that album.
If you ever wanted the driest, dirtiest, bonkiest cymbal, just weld it.
I was thinking the same thing. Like "wait this actually works here."
That stop sign really gives this cymbal some solid competition.
now he just needs to use a 48cm sheet of plywood to complete the trinity of "dead" crash cymbals
What’s cool about all these broken cymbals is that they produce unique sounds that you could definitely use in certain instances
If you need a closed hit hard for someone that isn't a drummer to play there it is
I'm a guitarist in a Hardcore Punk band and would say my drummer could use this in lieu of a standard cowbell for getting people going
Just commenting to let you know that the way you demonstrated the a/b changes with the symbols was the best you've done so far IMO. As a none drummer having them compared back to back a/b very fast was really helpful as well as *especially* the part with the backing of the drums which made it very obvious what a proper 'crash' is supposed to sound like
This is probably the first video where I was able to tell a big difference between every cymbol shown.
I'm not an instrument person but I absolutely laughed my ass off when the welded cymbal was hit and sounded flat as hell.
The unceremonious *bonk* that the welded cymbal let off on that first hit made me say "oh no" out loud.
I remember the search for the driest, bonkiest cymbal.
In a super cheap and disgusting way this welding job outbonks it
I knew it would be bad, but I didn't think it would be that bad, and I wheezed.
I laughed. When a cymbal looks like the snare from St. Anger, you done goofed.
I always heard from various teachers a quick fix that seemed to work while keeping that unique cracked sound was to drill a hole at the ends of each crack to stop it from propagating more.
I think we actually saw one of those among one of Dank's cymbals.
Engineer here, circular holes are the universal best way to dissipate stress. Be it airplane windows (used to be filleted squares, caused numerous crashes), or simply a cymbal, the circle from the drill hole removes the hard edge where the stress all piles up on
I've tried it on several cymbals but it keeps cracking for me, and I drilled it several mm above the crack. I think the best option is to just cut it out. When you leave the crack it sounds weird
@@xerox2227 Shouldnt you drill right at the end of the crack? I feel like if you drill anywhere else, the crack can just propegate around the hole
@tfk_001 oh man, airplane windows. De Havilland learned that the hard way, didn't they?
(For those reading out of the loop: the De Havilland Comet was the first jet airliner to enter regular service. After a year or two a series of fatal crashes forced them to be grounded while engineers trouble-shot. Surprise surprise, it was the square windows.)
I honestly love the dead-ness as a unique sound but I would never want to do this to a cymbal that wasn't already gone gone lol
I actually really like the sound of the welded one! Obviously it doesn't function as a crash anymore, but it sounds muted, it's still capable of making an interesting sound, though obviously not for its original purpose.
i am with you. it is bot usable as a crash anymore but still very much as a piece of musical equipment.
the engineering that went into it is astounding! to make a broken cymbal sound like a closed hi hat is remarkable!
I actually love the dead, muted DINK noise. Sounds like it would be at home in a kitchen kit of unusual drums with pots and pans. I have this gloriously ringy fan motor housing that would be a long-tailed compliment to this.
Me too.I think it might be nice in songs where the drum is in the background
It would sound good in the right song!
@@peachymunmagenta Someone else said it sounded like a closed hihat, and I can't disagree!
As we've all seen from the cymbal manufacturing videos, B20 bronze goes brittle like glass if you heat it and cool it slowly without quenching in water. So when you weld the cracks shut, you create these very inelastic, brittle parts in the cymbal that have no flex in them at all. Then you hit it, and the force of the blow probably re-cracks the cymbal immediately. Then you again have loads of cracked metal surfaces rubbing against each other, and the reason it becomes so muted is because the vibrations dampen right away in the cracks as the two sides of the crack chafe together. The same mechanism that doesn't allow stacked cymbals to ring either. They choke themselves out, essentially.
What I'd really like to see is someone doing the quenching process to the best of their ability right after each weld. To try and get the best possible springy crystalline structure back in the metal.
I'm just blatantly assuming that wasn't done with this Z Custom, well, because the way that it is.
Yup, copper-based alloys (well, face-centered cubic system alloys, includes gold, silver, etc, a lot of non-ferrous stuff) with heat harden if allowed to cool slowly.
Getting this cymbal to a medium red hot and then quickly quenching it will soften the whole thing and might make it sound a bit more like a cymbal. Or make it sound like total garbage.
I find myself wondering how/if a lower temp method of joining metal would change the sound, both soldering and brazing are comparatively quite cold.
@@AmaraTheBarbarian brazing and soldering might not melt down the bronze, but they add other material onto it.
@@AmaraTheBarbarianI think that's what he was talking about at the end. Brazing probably could work and not affect it too bad if done by someone who knows what they are doing. It won't be as strong as a weld though since you haven't literally melted the cymbal... And if you keep beating on it chances are the brazing will crack again.
What I wonder too is if you just repeat the heat treating process to the whole cymbal after welding
Now I'm curious if you could solder a crack in a cymbal - that'd be extremely localized heat, and minimal added material, so maybe it wouldn't totally wreck the sound.
As a man who can solder, I'd absolutely be willing to try if I had a mashed cymbal. Alas I play strings
Interesting thought 👀
Rebonding the metal in any way will just completely fuck the elasticity... Would sound the same I'd say
Solder will quickly de-laminate while playing, without stopping the crack at all.
isnt bronze a really good heat conductor?
That has made me appreciate cymbals SO MUCH. I had absolutely no idea how much went into them.
I don't know what I was expecting. This cymbal has already crossed the river styx. I can't even say it's still going, this thing is just GONE
Putting that cymbal up is like creating musical zombies. They're already gone, but something is forcing them back to the mortal realm
You’ve found a new contender for “World’s Driest Cymbal”.
It almost rivals the stop sign cymbal
Never thought I’d see you on drum related vids
It's 10:14pm AEST and I should be sleeping, but no, Drum Thing videos are a priority.
7:14 am in U.S. Central, I just got up. have a goodnight's sleep.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Cheers mate
Gotta say, that kickdrum through my nice iems sounds fantastic! just boooom!
It's real fun through my 5.1 system. It's not a kick drum unless I feel it in my spleen.
Chrrrrist I wasn't expecting that much of a difference! Not being a drummer (guitarist!) I assumed it'd just sound a little duller but wow. Welding absolutely killed it.
There are also new cracks from the stress of the cooling welds. Whole cymbal's trashed. Cutting out cracks with a grinding tool really seems to be the only fix.
Killed it, shot it's corpse, and then ran over it. This poor cymbol. And yet I want to hear it used in a song it's so endearing
What happens when you go beyond MAXIMUM BONK. MAXIMUM KNOB.
I never thought an actual symbol would loose to the stop sign
I burst out crying laughing when i heard the welded cymbal being crashed, fuck me.
Thats beyond bonk, that poor thing just lets out a sigh everytime its hit now.
Now you (or James) have to take it to the next step, make your own welded Frankencymbal. It would be an unworthy successor to the 3D printed ones you made and unmade before.
the dxp cymbal now has competition
Confusingly still somehow better than a DXP. Shocked at how much it changed though. Also 'the dad way' hahaha.
you're an absolutely incredible drummer, i'm jealous of your skill
Welding or braising seems like it would wreck any stamped piece, with different materials and the heat warping hardness consistency. With edge cracks, I’ve had them cut back in diameter. I guess they used a lathe of some sort. Like you, I find it better to just snip off any dangerous shards and keep playing it til the bell explodes 😅
In order to stop a crack with welding, you've got to drill a hole at the end of the crack first, and then weld it up, otherwise the crack will reappear. At 5:55, it doesn't appear that has been done to any of the cracks.
The wacky cymbal series is the gift that keeps on giving.
We need to see all of them together in one cursed setup.
But wow, welder dad managed to make the true competitor to the ultra dry bonk, but without the shine.
I actually kind of like how it sounds at 3:41. Just up the resonance and make it a little louder and you got something suited for Big Beat.
The stop sign cymbal be like: "Now that's a worthy opponent"