Why Aris Boch Never Returned to STARGATE (Dial the Gate)
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- STARGATE SG-1 gave us a lot of fascinating secondary characters, from the villainous Goa'uld to allies like the Tok'ra and the Tollan. But in that grey area in between sat characters like Aris Boch, a rogue who was an antagonist to SG-1 - capturing them and threatening to hand them over to Sokar - before he turned sympathetic.
In this chat with "Dial the Gate," series writer and executive producer ROBERT C. COOPER talks about Season 3's "Deadman Switch" and what he was hoping to create with the character of Aris Boch, who would be played by "Flash Gordon" veteran Sam J. Jones. And why didn't Aris Boch ever return to the show, in spite of the fact that fans seemed to love the character so much?
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I absolutely adored this character and always wanted him to pop up again, I thought for sure once the lucian alliance came around that he'd be back. Definitely feels like a missed opportunity.
100% agree! He would have certainly been a bounty hunter hunting SG-1 in season 10.
What I loved about the episode and character is that it showed clearly that not everything going on in the galaxy was in the event-orbit of the Tauri.
That things happen that have nothing to do with Stargate Command.
LIKED IT? LIKED IT? I LOVED IT! I always wanted him to come back. One of my favourites. I though they were crazy for not following it up.
He sort of fell off the radar between Flash Gordon & Stargate. I always thought that he could've been another Kurt Russell, even though KR has been in movies for most of his life.
SG1, while episodic, has elements in the majority of episodes that are used later. I took my buddy through the series trying to skip unnecessary episodes cause he didn't wanna watch 200+ of them, and I noticed this a lot. I often had to stop and briefly explain "oh yeah in X episode we found this thing" or whatever.
Like that episode with the invisible aliens. You don't see them again but you do see the weapons that were made in that episode later to find cloaked enemies. Or a character is introduced in an episode with no important implications but is a major player later in other episodes. Or even just characters referring back to a phenomenon in a prior episode that relates to the current problem. The episodes intertwine a lot in subtle ways.
All the episodes,even the silly ones,up until season 9 are important. Tell your friend to not even bother with Ori ass season 9. Nothing that matters happens.
The Galaxy is massive, and the Stargate Network doesn't even connect to every corner of it. So it stands to reason that there will a whole lot of people and things that you will only ever encounter once, but what you learn from that experience will stick with you forever. So I always felt that the episodic format worked well with Stargate.
Rewatching the series recently I can’t believe this character didn’t become a active character in the show.
I was fortunate to meet Sam Jones last October and got his autograph for this episode! He was just so amazing to meet and super nice. Very friendly and chatty and just so cool!
Would love to have seen Aris Boch again.
I loved Vala coming on board as I'm a huge fan of Farscape so having both she and Ben was awesome for me. Im a fan of the Gate because mostly due to Ben but love the Gate now. But Deadman Switch is a favorite.
You didn’t mention Ming did you? :)
I love both shows equally but can recognize that Farscape is far superior. It's the greatest show to have ever existed.
The Reetoo are another group that would have been interesting to see again.
They're kind of a crappy long term plot device, too many flaws in the premise and the writers threw it out when they saw it wasn't working.
I just always assumed that the Goauld could not be trusted and that Aris Boch was not that good at staying alive. I would have liked to have seen him again, popping up when you least expected him to.
Like if someone says "Who do I look like, Aris Boch?" and he jumps out from behind a bush or something?
He was Ronon before Ronon, one of the last of his kind. He also has his freedom which is unusual for someone the Goa'uld tried to eliminate. He most certainly was excellent at surviving plus he caught SG1. If he wanted to, they would be dead.
I liked Aris because he was so capable. I mean the show itself makes fun of the fact that SG-1 seem capable of mowing down unlimited amounts of jaffa, but Aris had a plan and executed it really well. Was pretty interesting to see the team put on the back foot immediately.
oh yes. "I know you must have seen much in your travels. Surely you've never seen anything quite so beautiful. We call them trees." 🤣
Loved the character of Aris Boch. Would have been interesting to see him return in a future episode. On the other hand I never could get into Vala.
me either but if we went to high school together I would have tried. :)
Yes, Me too.
He would've been awesome in the Bounty episode where SG-1 is being hunted by the Lucian Alliance.
I always hoped he would come back
I have the idea the main bounty hunter we did see in that episode was written with Aris Boch in mind: The story contrives that he goes after Cam, the one team member not involved in Deadman Switch and would not have recognized Aris Boch on sight.
Amazing and AWESOME per usual.. You Rock David!!!
My favorite one-off character in Stargate. Love Aris Boch!
Gonna base my Starfield character off him, haha!
I strongly disagree with Robert about the character not "popping" on screen. He stole every scene. Everything from his knowing grin, his movements, humor, with an underlying edge, was perfect. A character that stuck with many in the fan base for many years after the series ended.
I would love to hear Christopher Judge talk about the tacs line in this episode. Tacluchnatagamuntoron
I get the sense that it was adlibbed. If not, it probably should have been.
Stargate surely was episodic but the world was consistent so after some time even the episodic format felt like there was enought connecting tissues.
The episodic formula was good especially later one with multiple 2 and pseudo 3 parters. Episodic enought to hop in and out for the viewer while also allowing for those " man i gonna have to see next week" moments.
I think fans liked it way more than Mr. Cooper even still realizes.
It was the Tokra part 2 episode about breathable air on the Stargate planets. And when Carter went to the Air Force Academy and brought a cadet to a moon(can't remember episode name) when it's explained about trees.
Episode was Prodigy.
I liked Aris Boch as a character, and I understand why we never saw him again. Off the top of my head I can think of some possible story arcs that may have been considered, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were considered but never chosen. That reveal of Apophis I'll be honest I was not extremely surprised, but that's not a bad thing. Like watching him in that full face covering and just his mannerisms I was thinking "something is hinky about that guy I don't know what but its gonna come up". Then, shenanigans occurred, he took his mask off and went all megalomaniac in proper Go'auld system Lord fashion, because its sacrilege if they don't it's why we love them as villains, and I was just like "Ah, there's the hinkiness I suspected, thought we'd seen the last of him but this makes sense given how the Go'auld likely would be about the foes they conquer it makes sense. Pretty awesome creative choice for such an iconic villain. I am a fan of that.
I suspect part of why Vala was more successful is because Claudia Black was known from Farscape. I don't think most people knew at the time that Sam Jones played Flash Gordon. I only realised when I saw Ted. I liked Aris, he's 1 of the elements of SG I wish I'd seen again, like the Reetou.
Mainly Sex Appeal vala is very bland besides Sex Appeal
This was an awesome character. Definitely wished he would have come back at least one more time. What an odd thing for Cooper to say though, that even though the fans loved this episode and character that it just didn't work. Huh?
I think it was his way of nicely and diplomatically saying that the actor did not get along with the cast or crew. He is to much of a professional and nice guy to just come out and say it.
@@SCscoutguy #INDEED 🤔
@@SCscoutguy Absolutely
Here my thoughts.
Sam Mr. "The Highway Man" and "Jungle Jack" was just awesome. And I would have loved to see him coming back. I loved the character of Aris Boch.
But there was a thing which bothered me - mainly in the last third of the episode. I had the feeling that Sam was not allowed to go his full potential and that the other cast did not like him. There was defintely missing some chemistry. The lines of Samantha Carter were just dull and kind of mother in law like.
Did Sam piss them off? In Flash Gordon it was said that he wasn't easy to work with. Left the set before the shooting was done ...
@@yesyesyesyes1600 *OH, he did❓* 🤦🏼♂️ 😬😮😯😐😶 🤔 👎🏼👎🏼
@@jamesfcarlton6890 That is what I heard, but it doesn't have necessarily be true. Besides there are always 2 sides of a story, right?
Definite star quality, he could have his own series just by being himself.
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Thanks for watching!
I recall reading somewhere than Sam Jones was a pain to work with on this one episode and that is why his character was never revisited.
That’s what I read, too. I’d like to get more information about this. I’d say it was worth it to work with him more despite. He was amazing.
Great interview! Good stuff!
One of the stand alone episodes that every time i watch, i always wish the story would've shown up again with some follow-up to close out at least on if the SGC found a cure.
Yeah and it's a bummer. he was cool. Could have made for some interesting guest appearances.
The episode "Prodigy" explains why vegetation is on gated planets and moons.
Sg-1 season 4 episode 19 Prodigy 26:41 HAILEY: Doesn't look that different from home. CARTER: Well, where there's oxygen, there's usually plant life, trees, water. There are a couple of differences.
The Critical Drinker had Sam Jones on not that long ago, and it's well worth watching.
I think this dude is wrong it was a great episode and wanted more of aris
The myth, the man, the legend. Robert C. Cooper.
I think that fans could point to many characters who could and should have returned. In the season four episode The Curse(a brilliant episode), Dr Steven Rayner, Daniel Jackson's bitter rival, who discovers that Daniel's theories about the pyramids being built by aliens are true, would have been a welcome returning or reccuring guest star.
On top of that, i have always felt that The Ashen should have had more of a story arc, 2010 was a brilliant episode, but for me, should have been a two part episode, even spreading the concept over several episodes, there seemed almost too much to cram in in just one episode. The scene in which Sam attempts to persuade Jack to help out, only for Jack, who is bitter and angry at his former colleague and lets her know in no uncertain terms, "i pointed out the red flags, but nobody listened, especialliy you", it was so powerful, and yet, in no time at all, Jack is onboard, just like that, it all seemed so rushed. I also thought it would have been a nice touch to have had Daniel and Janet together(the one relationship that would have been possible), in a relationship and also trying for a child and coming together with Sam to investigate. What do you think?
I think that Jack still felt a sense of duty to his friends and to humanity. He couldn't have cared less about the leaders and the politicians, he just couldn't sit by and let his friends risk everything alone. That sort of explains the quick decision. It felt more like a "I told you so. I was right all along and you all ignored me, but obviously I'm going to help."
I also felt like the Ashen could have been allies that SG-1 occasionally met, much like the Tok'Ra, for a season or two, before a much bigger reveal that they had devastated many of the planets that they already had in their alliance.
@@SuperSpatman Yeah, i get that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if only we could go back, knowing what we know now. The writers have also got budget restraints, maybe some put forward the idea of a story arc, maybe. I think that in a perfect world, they could have had an episode in which they meet the Ashen, and that lays the groundwork for 2010. I read some comments the other day re the Jason Bourne movies, and someone commented, "ah, but in the book, this happens", that's the problem, if you are writing a book, is it 300 pages, 350 or 400 it's up to the author, but in a movie or tv series, you have limits. Thank for the conversation.
wow, I only found this after I rewatched Deadman Switch 2 days ago while on the treadmill (SG-1 makes the minutes go by quick) and afterward I had to google WHY the hell he never came back. Now I've got a couple of Aris Boch comics bookmarked on ebay. I better pull the trigger before this causes them to skyrocket.
Lantash and Martouf were both beautiful souls. However still love Baal. I feel like he was someone you could deal with so long as you respect him and don't waste his time. So mischievous and impossible to get rid of.
The hint of Martouf-Lantash as a member of SG1 in one of those multiverse episodes was a nice nod to what might have been. They wasted his character. I do love Jacob-Selmak, but too many of the other Tokra were just annoying.
I feel that Aris Boch could have potentially had great story potential tying in with the Lucian Alliance, and it could have potentially made a better introduction of the Lucian Alliance to viewers.
For example after the System Lords fell out of power Aris Boch would still need the drug he takes to stay alive and the Lucian Alliance having taken control of a lot of the Goa'uld's holdings could have potentially been a position to supply Boch with the drug. And then he could have met SG-1 as an unwilling enforcer of the Lucian Alliance and hates that they're hooking people on the space corn drug. And eventually SG-1 kills a lot of the Lucian Alliance leaders and installs Boch as their new leader or something.
Great episode, one of my favourites
The episodes not related to the main story lines were sometimes boring, but I realize that the creators had to add stand-alone episodes to extend the main story line. All the extra episodes extended the main stories of the show to 10 years, and a couple of DVD films.
The chemistry between Christopher Judge & Sam J. Jones made me wonder if the two of them knew each other. I had the the thought that they must have went to the same high school, & played on the same football team or something.
I just wish they would bring back universe at least. Honestly so many fans are begging to see it back on the screens.
Yea, but still. Aris Boch didn't have to be an all the time figure. It would have been cool to see him in a couple of more episodes. And most of the times I would argue that if the fans like it, it DID work.
The Highwayman!!! :)
There are so many way worse episodes than this. This episode was genuinely good. Top ten or fifteen sg1 episodes, no question.
Must have been tough to work with or something. There *absolutely* a spark in this episode
damn, nice to know i'm the only one who wanted this character back
NOT you mean 😁
I loved this episode
There's a lot of characters like Aris Boch that were only in one episode that should of came back for more episodes
The episode in question were they mentioned trees if it's forest for their life Is the episode called prodigy I just watched it last night
Difference between Boch and Vala is that Boch is clearly in opposition to protagonists. He is polite and affable, but has aims that contradict the main cast. Vala on the other hand switched back and forth between antagonist and asset over her early appearances. There is no reason why Boch could not do the same if he was brought back.
I think it was in Childhood's End that Rodney mentions how life only develops on planets with "similar conditions" (aka British Columbia)
I always figured the planets were mostly terraformed by the ancients.
An instance where the writer's/producers were COMPLETELY wrong about what we wanted. Should have kept using Boch.
I agree, if the writers/producers had done what we wanted, they wouldn't have killed Dr Fraiser off in Heroes.
I might had become a fan of the show again, if they had kept Sam on the show...
I think there were problems with Sam on the set. Prove me wrong
@@yesyesyesyes1600 Don't know what you mean, can you please explain, if you are claiming some behind the scenes bad feelings, it is up to you to prove it.
@@DavidSmith-fs5qj What are you? A philosopher? Then you should know that the non-existance of a thing can not be proved.
I think there were severe problems on the set.
But maybe you have other information you wanna share with us.
They did continue in a way with tretonin as a substitute in a twisted way for Boch's race.
"Didn't pop" What? Honestly one of my favorite one-off episodes. Always wished they would've brought Aris back as a recurring character. Would've been a great way to work in some Flash Gordon jokes lol.
"Claudia Black brought something to the role that was special"
Visually, right? That's what we're all thinking?
Aris - Pain in the mictah
Jack - Neck?
Teal'c - ...no
Aris Bock technology is introduced in this episode that pays off later in the series. Clocking ship. Nobody had better armor and personal shields than Aris Bock, except for super-soldiers. The writers never used trap shields and restraining shields again. They were too good.
loved this character and always thought they should circle back to that drug of his, guess tretonin kinda served a similar purpose
Jaffa was cool but I always thought we should have seen the Go'uld possessed more advance armies with more advance technologies along the lines of what Aris Boch had.
You See glimpses of IT Like the ashrak
Flash Gordon in Stargate.. What a mix. 👌
I wasn't a big fan of Vala Mal Doran at first. It really took a while of her actually becoming a decent person before I wanted to accept her as part of the team.
Never occurred to me that he was Flash Gordon. :)
Cooper, "It just didn't work."
Cooper a minute later, "Fans loved him."
🤔 ... umm ... I think that means it did work.
He did, he just had to return the infinity stones. What a resemblance.
The Highway Man and Jungle Jack 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
I loved the character.
But there was a thing which bothered me - mainly in the last third of the show. I had the feeling that Sam was not allowed to go his full potential and that the other cast did not like him. There was defintely missing some chemistry. The lines of Samantha Carter were just dull and kind of mother in law like.
Did Sam piss them off? In Flash Gordon it was said that he wasn't easy to work with. Left the set before the shooting was done ...
It was the 3rd season but I am guessing filming it maybe it was 5 years? But he also said 100 episodes so he's wrong, The Devil You Know was around episode 55.
I didn't understand how the Bounty Hunter character was able to resistance zat gun. I know he's physiology he's people couldn't blend with symbiotes.
I always tossed it up to something in his races body chemistry. His race may have started off human but something on the planet he was from changed there biology.
The way I see it was it was his suit. Just like how years later Kull can’t be stopped by them either
I'm pretty sure it was the armor.
I liked Aris in the epiosode but I think he is right, one episode was enough. Vala never did it for me. Actually the two last seasons didn't do it for me.
I liked Black and Browder in Farscape, but not in SG-1.
I read something a while back that when they brought Browder and Blank on it was supposed to be for a new series called Stargate Command(?) but they ended up sticking with SG1. It didn't really feel like the same show in the last 2 seasons.
Whenever a watch Stargate from beginning to end, I always skip season 9 and 10.
@@Mangomesh *#WHY**⁉️* 🤔 😬
@@Mangomesh One of the reasons given for the killing off of Dr Janet Fraiser in season seven was that it was thought that it would be the last season, and the show would go straight to Atlantis. Looking back maybe that is what they should have done. I read that following Teryl Rothery's character being killed off, Don S. Davis felt that it just wasn't the same without her, and for me the quality dropped in those last seasons. That the show ran for ten seasons is always held up as an achievement, say in comparison to the Star Trek shows, TNG, DS9 and Voyager al ran for seven seasons, but for me, seven seasons seemed about right, the writers simply start to run out of ideas.
@@jasonscottjenkins They were going to rename SG1 to Stargate Command but the rest was going to be the same.
Aris Boch struck me as more of a Stargate Universe equivalent of Boba Fett. 🤷♂
I don't think he needed to come back. His character served the purpose of the story and did a good job.
Isn't it amazing how much of the Universe looks like the Pacific Northwest? LOL
So basically they went with a sexy female alien instead lol.
Flash Gordon!
It would have been nice to see him again, it would have been better still to get a Mandalorian style series about him. Where's our baby Asgard, damn it? 😂
Tbh Aris interested me far more than Vala... her first eúpisode was great but her later ones when she became on of the main characters... nah. I hated Mitchels character more... Loved Jonas tho. Pitty he stayed for just 1 season...
A missed opportunity to bring him back in some form.
Honestly, I don't feel this is satisfactory to why Aris Boch didn't have another episode....they didn't jive? That's it? Sitting here after watching Dead Man's Switch on Comet, and reading my Aris Boch comic....he needed a follow-up.
*Deadman Switch - Stargate SG1*
*Hey @Jeff Davis did you see this one⁉️* 🤔 ☝🏼
I liked him 10x better than vala. Strange that they considered her more successful
Pictures of this channel looks always so interesting and then its boring jada when you open it :P
sure do wish they would've done with that character.
Robert gives me soft Patrick Stewart vibes.
Vala worked because Claudia Black is hot AF.
He has his rationales, but I tell you, not bringing Boch back--not even once--was a clear missed opportunity. Not just him, but his race and their particular storyline wrinkles they could have introduced. Big whiff, imho.
I never took to Vala, sorry
It was a good episode, and I agree that making him a recurring character would not have worked. I also think that the Vala character didn’t work at all. I think the Vala character and the Ori arc didn’t work at all.
Hallowed are the Ori!
Coulda brought him back with Vala...maybe a Han/Chewie thing? But who'd be Han, and who'd be CHewie? lol
Boch? Great character to build a movie or mini series around. It could go into his people and his back story, or follow him in future exploits. Vala? Sorry, love her but I never got the same vibe from her at all. She's more the bipolar unscrupulous female "friend who implies more" of Daniel Jackson, popping up to embarrass him the rest of his days.
Honestly only the Actress was convincing she Sure AS hell wasnt unique Heck Former Host of a goa'uld WE Had plenty already
That's why, We the viewers are always correct. If we had our pick this character would have been on more episodes and Vala would not. Vala was only good in 3 episodes at the beginning of her debut. Her interaction with Daniel Jackson is the only time she was good..
Speak for yourself, I LOVE VALA! I also love Aris Boch but I'd choose Vala over him 10 times out of 10.
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Good for you.. But, I don't care what you think.. I wasn't talking to you..
@@hoss1003 you're on the internet friend, anyone can reply to you so you're just going to have to put your big boy pants on and learn how to play with others okay? Thanks.
Dude! Regardless how we feel about each other my response was 38 minutes after yours and not on purpose!
I can’t really explain it, but the Aris Boch character just didn’t resonate with me.
Yuk, clipping that loose thread is called bad story telling. This producer wasn't very good at his job. That is all that was. There was a tonne of errors in Stargate. This is one of the small ones.
I agree Thomas, the season five episode, Rite of Passage has just been shown here in the UK, the last episode to feature Cassandra. The last time we saw her, she was a little girl, yet in this story, she is sixteen, and is growing up as a beautiful young woman. We never see her again after this episode, it's like the writers didn't care about the characters, the thing is, we do, that is why we watch a show.
Guess flash Gordon wasnt as sexy as Vala and we all know a sci fi nerd loves a sexy woman. No wonder it didnt work as well with Sam Jones. But Valas innuendos made a better story i guess. And they go for the 2 seasons shes on.
I would rather have Aris over Vala. Not as an SG-1 team member. Sam Jones is know to be "difficult to work with".
Aris Boch was a character that was left dangling, and that should not have happened, so badly that it actually detracted from the show because many fans were waiting for him to reappear in some future episode. Vala, on the other hand, to me was a character that was injected into the show to please a number crunching quota driven bean counter that was worried about feminists wanting a larger than life female lead character. I could never warm to Vala and felt much of the storyline she was involved in was rushed and to be totally honest not very well written.
It might be only my opinion, but come on.. Vala was the worst thing to happen to SG-1..
"Hey, remember that morally ambiguous bounty hunter idea that we tried before? Why don't we try that again, but this time make them a totally unlikable character that sticks around for no good reason?" "That's fine, but let's make the character bland eye candy as well for the lowest common denominator factor."
Nah, the ori storyline in general was, too much ignoring/forgetting about earlier continuity
@@StarShadowPrimal The Star Trek series, TNG Deep Space 9 and Voayger all had seven season runs, and that seemed about right, with sci-fi you start to run out of ideas, unlike a show such as NCIS, which has an amazing number of seasons.
He was better than Vala.
I was ambivalent. Not bad but agree wit the boss, was fine but not worked as intended. Vala was lightyears better.
Hell No
The reason the character didn’t come back is because it’s an obvious rip off of Boba Fett.
Not Really what exactly IS similar to boba fett besides being a Bounty Hunter? Polar opposites
@@laisphinto6372 "What exactly is similar besides the entire basis for the character?"
Are you serious?
@@laisphinto6372 "what exactly is similar besides the entire character basis and a rough approximation of the wardrobe?"
Besides those two? Probably not much.
They shoulda put HIM in charge of SG1 after O'Neill's departure. Never liked Mitchell. The writers trying waaaaaaay to hard with the corny ass humor. Seemed to me that Daniel was actually the leader in all but name.
It's a big galaxy and he's probably dead anyways.
Flash Gordon's alive!
How did I know he would say Vala… awful character in my opinion 🤷♂️
Remmember the scene in which she is armwrestling Teal'c in the briefing room as general Landry walks in? I juts cannot imagine that happening with Sam as general hammond walks in, just an example of how the standards dropped.
Hated Valas character. Loved Bochs!