$50 Specialized Allez - Let's Count The Problems! Sad Face...
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- I saw this Specialized Allez Sport listed on Craigslist for $100. I was excited as I have wanted a Specialized Allez. Even if this is the entry level one. It was even my size. I went to check it out, and found one problem after another. The frame was toast! I ended up buying it for $50 for the parts.
* NO!!! The chain stay cannot just be easily welded. The whole tube was expanded and deformed. The split is just the most visible part of the damage! The frame would be unsafe. An experienced frame builder could probably replace the stay, but it would cost more than the bike is worth.
* I don't care that I didn't pronounce Allez the correct French way. If I pronounced it correctly, I would still get flack from people. Pronouncing French names is a no win situation. So frankly, I don't care!
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Hi RJ. After riding for 3 years, I decided to do a covid project and build myself a fixed gear bike. I picked all the parts, got the tools, and assembled the whole thing myself. Not gonna lie...your videos were used as references many times. Thanks for all your help!
@Bill Bradford guess what, bill noone gives a shit about the french. noone likes the french and the french like noone. Their cars are absolute shit. learning the french language is a waste of your time, as it is only useful in a tiny, rotten place. But hey, they know how to protest, they make great wine and don't skimp on the butter, so I'll give them a pass.
Hey RJ, love your channel and the content you put out.
Very informative and a fair amount of hidden knowledge gems, which we all need now and then.
I have a 2010 XL Specialized Allez Frame and fork I am willing to donate to you, but you might have to meet me half way on the shipping as I'm in the UK
Oh I would notice that split alright, when the rear triangle collapses, probably at the stop lights, at rush hour, when 100's of people are round to point and laugh at me. OR after i'd ordered $100's worth of parts to fix it up.
LOL!
Lmao, finally a person I can relate too..stay safe!
Ice splitting frames is one problem I'll probably never see living in Australia.
Agree with you on that
Never saw it where i live, here, and it’s pretty cold.
Northwestern America (and Canada) seem to be totally on another level when it comes to winter, subzero temperatures and snow blizzards.
Isn't it snowing in Sydney?
End of August in Northeast US and I have to start thinking about getting the furnace ready for hearing season :D
I meant northeastern, of course, my bad.
I've fixed a chain stay split on a bike I liked. Hammer down the bulge, grind off rust. Cut a small section of steel tubing. Shape the patch to fit. Clamp and flux wire weld it on. Clean up imperfections with angle grinder and apply paint. Not as good as new but stronger!
"stronger" than new?
If so, wow.
a ... bike frame (cro-moly?) badly compromised in this way may or may not be ... fatal.
Steel frame almost always means repairable frame.
Changing the whole chainstay is more of an ideal repair if you ever plan on saving a rare frame and using the bike again. It's just costly, though.
I wouldn’t have spotted the split until strip down and clean. I buy lots of old bikes and it’s always a gamble. Thanks for your videos RJ, they are really valuable and appreciated to us other guys that also work on old bikes.
Will you do a video on full suspension bike build?
I popped to see my daughter and a nieghour had left outside a dawes galaxy al I said could I have it they said yea fine take it. I looked at it it had 26 inch mtb wheels on it probably why it couldn't be ridden. Anyway I found another free dawes that had the correct wheels but the rest was a rusty pile. Swapped wheels over the gears shift fine so been really lucky the only think I have to buy is a saddle and post. I love my crusty bike tho dunno why just nice to get something broken and fixed for next to nothing.
Great vid.
I found an old Trek 400 frame in the garbage, has some surface rust but don't think it's anything too bad. Making it a budget single speed
Thanks for sharing your buy, inspection and result you came away with. No better way to cycle than on a recycled bicycle, or maybe not so in this case. Im sure we will see the parts put to good use though. All the best Andy
Its a shame about the frame RJ, but some nice retro parts to yield for another build.
Hope you and yours are all safe and well RJ.👍😊🚴
good deal for the parts and much value for those looking to restore a bike on what to look for. Video + $50 for parts def cant beat that
Good vid RJ. Nice catch on that seat post. Looks like someone added a shim made of a piece of soda can to make that post tight enough. Possibly a 26.8 post in a 27.2 seat tube.
Too bad about the frame. Those older steel Allez models are nice rides. This one, with the longer wheelbase and rear eyelets would have made a good around town bike.
If the frame is steel, you can proably bring it to a welder and her can weld the split back up. You cn grind the weld smooth and touch up the paint.
There are so many older Shimano brifters out there like that could be put back into service, because they're very robustly designed. Unfortunately replacement hoods aren't made past a couple generations, so these shifters ultimately become paperweights when the hoods wear out... Seems like such a waste.
I think some weight weenies use heat shrink tube on their brifters. Probably not as convenient but certainly incredibly light.
maybe diy with leather ?
Well, the bottle cage is good. 👍
It is, I hope. 😂
LOL
Allez (ah-LAY!) is the imperative form of the French verb aller, which means "to go." Allez means GO!
It would take me 100 years to notice the split and the seat post.
That’s a shame RJ if the chain stay wasn’t split you could’ve had that bike running and looking so nice Nice video though .
Wheel it on into my shop buddy.
Spoke Replacement: $25
Tire/Tube Install: $15
Chain Install: $10
Bar Tape Wrap: $15
True Front: $15
Shifter Flush: $10
Frame Repair: Free inside the dumpster out back.
He paid for this bike with the recycled pop cans from his garage!! 😀
The Z in Allez is silent. I know this because I took French in high school and I'm a proud owner of an Allez Sprint frame :)
French here.
Only on this video did it jump on me that « allez » was a reference to the screams of Tour de France fans on the roadside. Allez ! Allez ! Which basically means « go ».
Funny thing is the way RJ says it , with the z, in sounds perfectly like « à l’aise » in French, which means « very easy ».
@@mariamartins367 You're right, the way RJ says it, it sounds exactly like « à l’aise », but to be honest I think that « à l’aise » is better translated into English as ' *_at_* ease' (whereas ' very easy ' would be « très facile », wouldn't it?).
But well-spotted, in any case :-) !
@@C345OFR oui, c’est vrai.
Isn’t RJ in Canada? You’d think he’d know that.
It's always wise to check these things particularly when someone says "It was serviced just before I put it in the shed." I've seen some truly incredible so called "servicing" practices.
The parts are easily worth $ 50, the fork alone & head set. Handlebars, the freewheel/cassette. Group set too.
Thanks, I always learn from your videos.
Nice, I've sold 4 Allez in my flip history...they make good flips
"Specialized Allehzz i-"... *record scratch* sorry what?
Isn't French supposed to be a major language in Canada? 🤣
I felt dismezzed when I heard that. Guess RJ didn't pezz attention in French class back in the dezz.
This was a great video! - would love to see more of this sort of series - helps train the eye for faults in a bike.
You now have a early example of a hydroformed steel bike frame.
Haven't watched past 0:07. Here goes:
- Possible 39/54t chainring combo on an older 110bcd crank, so chainline/chainring clearance is suspect
- Possible stiff links in that rusted chain, skipping a possibility
- Possibly broken Shimano Light Action rear derailer
- That era of Shimano 600 brifters - guaranteed to be gummed up and take weeks of degreaser and clicking to unstick
- Someone liked REALLY SHORT cable housing when they built this thing. In fact, stupidly short.
- A couple of obvious pad marks on the rear rim, yet only in one place. Truing issue?
Just watched the video. Split chainstay? Hid that well...
That was very useful, RJ. In future I'll be making note of the seat bolt when looking at frames. Thanks!
One thing is good that old bikes survived through the time it's not that peace of marketing trash.
Awesome RJ, embarrassing how much I learned, but grateful as always! Thanks brother!
@RJ, you can talk to the frame builder Paul Brodie (who has his own YT channel) about replacing the cracked chainstay. That could be an interesting colab.
I was thinking "No biggie. No biggie. $100 seems quite the deal. Why are you even making a video about this? Uh oh!". I bought one for $35, a Univega tourer, and didn't notice the broken off cantilever break post. Frame is still a beauty so I am just going to figure out a way to get a front brake that works, maybe even pay somebody to braise a post on.
I thought it was pronounced "uh-lay". At least that is how we said it at a Specialized dealer.
It would be closer to "Ah-lay" being the pronunciation for the french command "Go!"
Shrug. I am not that concerned. If I tried to pronounce it properly, I would still get flack. So it doesn't matter.
Its still a good buy due to the parts haul. Its a shame it has a crack in the frame..Great video RJ!
How about to weld, or to solder
this frame? Dissolve rust with acid, heat the edges and solder with brass, then grind.
the cost of someone who has enough skill to restore it correctly.. could be spent of a different frame. really it would be better to cut the chain stay off and have a new tube welded that has the correct shape but it would need to be fully jigged up and painted afterwards and..well why. unless it was to preserve a rare iconic frame the time and effort would be orders of magnitude over what the bike would be worth.
@@bretmohler9719 any competent weld shop could do this quickly and easily...yes...you would need to do some prep work, but...its a steel frame...no complicated process, and negligent frame warp...easy peasy...heck, I could do it in my garage
@@stephenstevens6573 ok then go fix it for us and post the vid
@@bretmohler9719 send it to me
@@stephenstevens6573 interesting..I figured it would be obvious for any competent watcher of RUclips to know I am not the person who owns it. DM RJ
I'd had to settle for the water bottle cage...LOL!
Please make a video of your bike collection, and components that you are proud to have 🙏
The frame would make a nice art piece to hang on the wall.
Before I watch it. Rusted - chain, chainring bolts, maybe freewheel. Handlebar tape coming off, brake and shiting cables/housing too short, rear brake does not line center
You can sell the - impossible to get - brifter hoods on ebay for 50 bucks, they look pretty alright :D
This. Everyone saying there is no value has no idea of vintage used bike parts market. Not a steal, but I would have paid $50 all day for parts alone.
The chain and rear wheel would have got my alarm bells going, RJ and I'd have been really thorough with further inspection. Still, fifty bucks for the spares salvaged seems to be reasonable.
I pretty much stopped looking after seeing the split.
@@RJTheBikeGuy scrappers and cheap doer-uppers are in short supply in London right now, but I've always got my eyes open. Again, thanks for the worthy tips.
Would have found that stuff easily...
Cause I'm a big fan, luv your vids keep on educating us RJ.
You're The(bike)Man!
Cuz this is an Allez frame (French: 2nd person plural of the verb 'to go' pronounced ALL-AY) you might strip it, send it to a fame builder, and have a new tube put in. At the same time, the frame maker can align everything perfectly, chase threads in the BB and face the BB and steering tube. With paint and graphics, this frame can be made like new. Even if you buy another Allez frame, chances are you would have to get it all checked out by a frame builder anyway. I have five steel frames (three currently on the road) that came to me in nice condition. But, ALL of them benefited from the attention off a professional frame builder. You can do a lot your self if you buy the tools and do some study >>> $$$$$¥¥¥¥¥.
you could eventually get the frame fixed, you'd need to get a frame builder to replace the chainstay which might cost more than a new cheap frame but it is saveable
It would cost more than the bike is worth to have it done correctly.
Wow I’ve never heard of that, thanks for making this video.
It's super example why you shouldn't keep your bike outside. (at least in winter)
True!!!
If you buy enough bikes , you will get burned a few times. years back I would have missed some of these but not now ! too bad for the frame, that would have been one good looking project.
Few good parts there for fifty bucks, must have been left in the rain, rotted from the inside out, I would say good deal, shifters wheels and cranks.
RJ marathon today,I'm at about 25 videos watched. Cool
I have seen them all.
@@RJTheBikeGuy😅.
Part out. Unfortunately Rsx brifters are trash.
Tires brought to max pressure and actually ridden for 10+ miles sorts out any flatspots.
Can welding be solved for the toasted frame? or not?
Looks like a nice bike, cant u let someone weld the frame back together, patch it up with sheet metal for example? Of course if the inside of the tube is rusted away theres no point.
The tube is DEFORMED!!!! It's garbage!!!
A really nicce looking bike. I can see why you went for it.
You bought a piece of junk. I just picked up a free vintage Specialized Crossroads sitting along the street with a sign on it. There's no rust on the chain or sprocket it's so nice I only had to clean the dust off it and blow the tires up. It also has roadbars and boxers.
I found a well maintained early 2000’s Allez Elite at a garage sale for $25. I’d like to convert to a 3 speed..I’d love your thoughts on that.
Thanks! Learned a lot from this!
I saw shims in the seat post so it may not be original to the bike. I never seen a bike split like a water pipe before that’s a new one to me.
I have. A few forks and a couple frames.
That topline crank( cheapo crook bros) worth some cash!
I love your channel and learn so much through your videos, always wondered how many bikes do you have in your collection?
IDK. Like 15 bikes I think among the bikes I plan on keeping.
@@RJTheBikeGuy love all your cheap finds and motivates me to hunt down deals here locally. Whats your favorite places for hidden gems? craigslist, offerup or flea markets?
Great video. Love the old bikes.
Good job spotting all those things! Looking forward to seeing what you’re gonna do with the parts.
I wish my country had cheap second hand bikes
Frame could be welded and repaired relatively easily
So, you are an experienced frame builder? Or are you just throwing your two cents in?
@@RJTheBikeGuy no sir...but, like you, I AM an experienced bike repair guy. I've been doing it for over 40 years. You do your due diligence ..you check the frame for symmetry, you check your rear spacing, and if all is good, your repair it. The only reason I said anything, was that you said you would like to have an Allez in your collection. This is not a complicated repair, but, if you are somehow offended by my observation? Then I apologize. I've learned a lot of tricks from you, but if this isn't worth your time? I get it
Buyer beware, many older bikes. Getting lot of broken axles, run over by car in garage. Just take about 10 min to check things out
You should buy an allez frame and move the parts over
I would not notice the seat post, guaranteed. Shifter. spokes, wobble rims...yes. Split frame...probably.
Don't know part values well. I would not offer $50. I would just pass on the bike.
These shifters are helpful, though, i can understand the offer
RJ saved someone else from buying it and potentially getting really hurt when it eventually snaps. Parts are useful, particularly to RJ.
Never bought a used bike, so good things to know if I do see one I liked 👍
Very insightful!
First thing I try is moving the seat post. Aluminum to steel is a tough bond. I heard of a guy soaking the frame in ammonia, believe it or not, to free it up. Then forks for bends or cracks. Then rear triangle. If all is good, and I really want the bike, time to talk turkey. ( no more bikes for me)
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Yea, no. Unless it was an old Eddy Merckx, or a vintage mountain bike ( my weakness), too much work. Haha. The guy I talked to actually soaked the frame in a kiddie pool of ammonia. Hahaha. Goes to show the beauty of assembly grease or bees wax. Cheers!
Interesting video.
That's such a shame about the chain stay, even if you found a frame builder willing to replace (most likely both) stays given the water ingress there is a good chance that split is just the tip of the iceberg.
This bike wouldn't be worth those measures.
Usually there is a small hole at the back , under side of the chainstay to let water out. Maybe it was clogged ?
How much do you think you could get/did get from those RSX Brifters and Derailleur after cleaning them up nicely?
That is indeed a nice bicycle but if you say the chain stay toasted the frame then so be it. Anyway to repair just that part of the frame?
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The frame is a No thanks for me. Otherwise a total teardown, Clean, lube, cables and housings, brake pads, in this case Saddle,Bar tape, tires tubes and chain and maybe peddles. Depends on your desire and the "market" if you were going to flip it.
Enjoyed the video Rj
I am just going to part it out.
Around here, you would spend $100 fixing it up, and be able to sell it for $75. :)
@@billinhouston3291 Here in good shape, I could probably sell it for $175+ in normal times.
@@RJTheBikeGuy That's amazing!
2:30 I wonder if the guy behind the Pithy Bikes channel is up for another project… 🤔
I woulda noticed the seat post clamp when I wanted to raise the seat, because I'm so tall xD
But also- I live in the Netherlands.
Good eye rj...i have a question now...is the damage you found on the bike bad enough to deem the bike no good? Couldn’t it be fixed like one would fix a car’s dent and then just paint over it? by the way your videos are very very nice...they are full of detail...thank you..
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Do worn out RD pulley can cause chain skipping??
I replace the cogs and chain and still have the problems
Sweet bike , too bad the original owner didn't take better care of it
I was hoping the frame would be in decent condition, or else it would have just been a days worth of work...
Can the frame be repaired to close the crack or straighten the frame through welding? I live in Seattle area and there is a customer welding shop for bicycle which helped me to weld two tabs on the front fork that allows me to convert my Specialized bike with cantilever brakes to disc brakes. I am not sure those shops will be able to repair a cracked frame.
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"Allez" is pronounced "ah-lee" or "Ali" if you prefer since that bike is GOing to put up a fight!
Actually, more like ah Lay.
@@minuteman4199 Sure, that's how we'd say it as anglos in parts of Canada as well but it depends on where and how you hear the French.
Narrow head tube that only accepts 1" steerers is why it should go straight to recycling.
It's a vintage bike. That is the way it's supposed to be!!!
Ummm ... Stem adapters to go from 1" to 1 1/8" are available from $10 to $20.
Frame looks similar to my gitane avenir on columbus gara
That is a real shame lovely little bike the allez.
What a shame this one is not a rebuild candidate! Nice catch on those issues. Now I can use that as an example of things to watch for when trying to accumulate for building the frame I select. Do you sell any parts left over?
I don't sell parts.
@@RJTheBikeGuy cool. You seem trustworthy and going out to find them carries extra risk, exposure, and is now really prohibited in some places. Your tech and willingness to pass it on clearly is of great benefit for many of us. Thanks again.
@@charlesriley23 I wear masks and use hand sanitizer, and maintain social distancing. I buy a lot of parts on ebay, craigslist, amazon, etc.
Really great to hear. My PayPal account got hacked 2 weeks ago today. Trying to straighten up the mess. Still waiting on my new debit card. The mail is getting slower and I have 2 packages being with open search cases with USPS. Just trying to use UPS & FedEx and minimizing risk. Trying safer alternative ways to accomplish things. Sounds like you are as well. Hope everyone follows suit. Who thought even biking would be risky this time last year. Stay safe and good health!
super video
You think the parts are worth 50 bucks RJ?
Are you sure you can't true and weld the frame. It's gone anyway. Cost nothing to try. I would... If it don't work throw it away...
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@RJTheBikeGuy I'm 6'2 n half n wanted to know if you could tell me what size bike would be fitted for me ?? I need help on this my brother n love your knowledge n breakdown of bikes 💪🏽💖🚴🏾♂️
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I would have never thought to look at the seat post gap, even though I've had this happened to me on a previous purchase. I guess I get over passionate about the possibility of a new acquisition to the herd and overlook issues, especially ones that are only visible from small clues. I have gotten to the point where I take tools to see if the seat post and stem will move, and if not, price the bike accordingly (or just walk). Hey RJ, is there a specific tool YOU use to spread out a frame that's been subjected to a too small seat post? Something I could also find for, like 10$, at a flea market tool swap booth?
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@@RJTheBikeGuy You're a genius. I actually thought I had watch every bicycle repair and maintenance video you have created, but I think I somehow missed this one.
@@virgilfulton4426 I am probably the only one who has watch ALL my videos. LOL!
some problems in frame.
frames easy roll the split and weld it.
get the frame welded. Put a shim in the seat post hole. I did it and it fixed the seat problem. Easy stuff to fix. I fix bikes for fun and give them to needy kids. Some real nice bikes I sell cheap. I barely make my expenses back, but hey, at least they don't end up in the landfill ! Our planet has enough garbage !
I certainly would not have noticed the split but my question is what are you going to do with the frame
Dunno. Maybe cut it up and make wind chimes.
@@RJTheBikeGuy LOL
Can the crack be welded ?
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Bella. me gusta mucho
The place where he lives has good deals.