Harley Davidson Performance: Unveiling Stages 1 To 4 & Boosting Motorcycle Power.
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- I receive questions via e-mail sometimes, and quite a few of those questions are people that want to know the basics, but don't want to ask. One question I got recently that I thought was a good one was "what is the difference between a stage 1 and a stage 2 @harleydavidson motor?" There you have it, let's talk about the different stages you hear about and what each one means.
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Man, when u talk , and ur explaining it in simple terms, it makes it a lot easier to understand than all that tech BS. I’ve got a stage one on my bike. No need to go further with it. Great video.
Good video Monk. Always good to cover the basics. IMHO stage 1 always brings a great amount of joy, per $ spent. Loud pipes make smiles.
One hundred percent agree with the joy per buck for stage 1.
I never knew about the "reliability" changes caused by the different stages. Makes sense. I learned something new. Thanks !
thank you for no ads and great advice
All I needed to know, wrapped up in a simple video presentation. Well done Monk
Thanks!!!
I know this is an older topic but I like seeing it. Ya got to remember in getting old ( 68 ) never had the time to do major work on my ride. I've always been on the road as a long haul truck driver BUT that will be changing real soon. Calling it quits so I can enjoy the rest of my life lol
Thank you for this video brother 💯, im a wild land firefighter and ive never bought myself anything, it has always gone to help my family and i just bought myself a 09 Harley Davidson Sportster 883 i just dropped $5000 in parts and labor on it for the engine internals, cams, exhaust and a bunch of other stuff i dont much understand and your videos helpe understand what I'm doing a little bit better and i just have to thank you for that 💪💯 💎
I have road bikes off and on for years but are new to HD so thanks a ton for the video. Very basic and to the point.
Glad it was helpful!
I committed before finishing the video yes the factory engine will last the longest your right dude. and they should make a larger oil pan for the stage kits as well
Stage 4 twin cam here with Darkhorse lower end. When you do your cams I highly recommend upgrading and replacing your cam bearings with a brand of your choosing over stock. Good video.
Ok thanks!
I needed this. I’ve been riding a year and a half and did not know. Thank you!
Happy to help!
Hi from the UK. I recently part exchanged my 94 Fireblade which I had been riding for the last twenty years for a 2018 883 Iron. Lois ( the 883) has stage 1 with Vance and Hines short shots. Despite being told that 883's are underpowered (pretty much anything is after a blade) the look and sound of her is awesome. Good to ride (but not for much longer than an hour 'cos either your ass or the fuel will give out) and handles really well. She is one of those bikes that gets a lot of comments (like the blade did) so nothing lost. Why did I change? Arthritis (I'm 68) and it was an excuse to finally get a Harley.
Good video mate.
Cams on Harley’s are the best! Good stuff, very well explained.
Had 2005 sporster 1200 with a stage 2 and i live in the city and it was crazy!!!! Loved it!!! I got stage 4 cancer , lol. Had to sell it after 70 cemos. Lol . Broke my dame heart!! . Loved to go down a block and all the car alarms would go crazy. Lol . Miss it!!! Only 4000mi. On it!!! . So stage 2 is fast!!!
Sorry you had to part with it, but I’m glad you’re with us!
Had no clue about the stages at first. Got my first bike, a used ‘18 Softail Heritage Classic 107 and my M endorsement, and thought I was done. Soon I wanted better sound, so after saving almost 2 years I got Tab Zombie slip ons and a tuner. What a difference in sound. Hoping this time next year I can put an intake on Rosie (named after the AC/DC song) and really feel the pull. Using stages almost gives a sense of accomplishment. I think I am hooked!
I too have Tab 4.5 pipes with zombie inserts. Consider Tabs head pipe. At 400 bucks and the reduction in engine temp it's an investment that the engine happy. Plus a slight improvement in performance that will pay bigger dividends when the cam is swapped
Just found your channel today. Excellent explanation and delivery. I had a 3 on my flhtk and now onto a. 2020 triglide. I don’t see very many trike channels. Could you maybe do a few vids on the 2020 trike or newer. Things like do I need a lift kit etc. I’m having a stage to put in a few weeks from now. DK Customs has some great info and videos as well. Be great to have 3 or 4 reliable HD channels. Trikes are generally getting more popular and harder to find…… thanks
still on the fence on doing stage 2. My previous scoot had stage 4 done and I really had issues with it. Like you said, it ran HOT and would die sometimes at stop lights, etc.. So good point, once past stage 2...it is a lot to think about and consider.
I’ve had a stage IV for almost 10k miles. Only had one issue after about 50miles.
Had a minor oil leak. Found out it was because a gasket had been pinched. Brought it to the dealer. They fixed it in a couple hours.
I just got a 2009 Harley Davidson .your video answered lot of questions I had . Thank you
Love having your simple explanations to go along with other channels technical info!
For technical videos, including step by step installation, Blockhead is currently doing a series of showing the full stage upgrades.
I saw that tonight as mine was uploading… what timing…
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I watched his yesterday!!!
Your comment about sound for a stage 1 brings up a question which I also asked in Blockhead’s channel; I have the 2016 Electra Glide Ultra that I sent you pictures of, I have been told by the dealership where I bought it, that it has a Stage 1 Screaming Eagle kit installed in it!
I rode the bike around the dealership building and it felt like the bike was chugging, like it wasn’t going fast enough for the gear I was in(1st gear by the way) kinda like it was bogging down with too much fuel and not enough air(the way it sounded, but mostly like I just wasn’t going fast enough)!!!
I’m wondering if it’s possible that there’s actually a Stage 2 kit involved!
It is a twin cam bike not the Milwaukee 8!!
@@AzzKicker-bz1cb sounds like they didn't tune it or tune it right, but what do I know
@@ProfessionalMonkey still nice to have the different perspectives!
@@AzzKicker-bz1cb I’m thinking it just wasn’t warmed up enough or it wasn’t tuned right. You’d hear if it was stage II
I just bought my first harley and have been wondering about stages, thank you for making this video
I enjoy the informative videos and the bits of humor drizzled throughout, you da MAN!!
Thank you!
I'm one of the new riders who barely know how to ride much less repair and replace parts. You are doing awesome. Love the stories.
Not a stupid topic. I new to big bikes and doing research so thank you
Great video, not being a cruiser guy, I really only knew the basics. Those motors seem like they are made to be hopped up.
Glad it was helpful!
awesome. im learning heaps from your videos. getting set to buy my firsy harley so am working to build my knowledge. could you do if you haven't already the types of engines.. .
Your delivery was awesome man. Just subscribed. Keep doing great things
You cleared everything I wanted to know about the stage 1 thru stage 5. Thank you for your input. I am buying a 2009 FLHX street glide all stock. I feel after watching your video that I will just do the stage 1 only. Maybe later on I will go with the stage 2. Right now I will stay with the stage 1. Thank again for your advise. I watch your videos every chance I get.
I just bought a 2019 fat bob with stage 4, 117 upgrade on it. Hopefully the reliability isn't a problem 😬
Thanks buddy! Answereds all my questions perfectly!!
nailed it, im up to stage 3 on my bike and this is where im staying
Great explanations, you hit it out of the park!
Especially with all the power in the Harley's and Indians, It would be useful to know how to tank to tame a motorcycle (where this is stuff making it worse).
PS you opened with a comment about not assuming everyone knows what you know and then throw out a bunch of jargon assuming everybody knew it. You did a pretty good job on stage one explaining what you meant by thanks. It was clear from the video that somebody was asking about heads heads and you were resisting the essence of the question which was "WTF is head?" There was the same problem with some people in my circle in terms of Cam and shaft. People in my circle were asking if you were talking about mining and cameras. In my personal case I think I understand what you said but I don't know enough to translate.
Very informative! Thanks
Right on first time watching I learned a few things. Thanks and Keep 2 on the road.
Hey Monk thanks for the info, just bought my first harley a crossbones 2008 and wanted to let you know your info was great!!!
Thanks for refreshing my memory, another good video
Love this video.. I just went stage 1 on my Road Glide Special with 39" Samson cholo fishtails and a an Arlen Ness drift breather and tune and hubby has a stage 4 on his Street Glide Special a couple years ago
That is awesome!
Great video PM. Just did a stage 2 on my 07 street glide. I love the feel and grunt of the bike. It’s got plenty of torque and speed for me now. No need for more. Keep up the great work. See u at Daytona
Good explanation on everything buddy.
Thank you!
Thank you thank you and thank you for explaining this in simple language. Techs don’t!! Love what you do!!
Good information love the content. Someday I hope to catch a livestream and pester you about the boat anchor ⚓lol. Keep up the good work and be safe
I hope so too!
Great video with some great info thank you for sharing all of the videos that you do also really enjoy all of the humor that goes along with them
Glad you like them!
We all have to start somewhere. Nothing wrong with a video like this.
Stage one is just fine with me, I do a lot of freeway riding ,so I'm happy with that for the time being. Counting the days before heading to Daytona.13 degrees this morning in Columbus Oh. Brrrr!
Less reliability = more fun!! Nothing like getting to the stage where you are measuring your gas mileage as gallons per mile. Love the look of the bike. Great job. Be safe.
In days of old when youth were bold, people - bikers, hooners - would do a full stage one including full open dual carbs and straight pipes, then port and polish the head, and perhaps changing out pushrods, rocker arms, & valve springs.
My old skool Norton was a 600 slaying 750s. I liked that I was doing it with less displacement. But a cam was optional, and done either before or after head and/or valve train work.
And not too many dynos back in the day. You tuned it & ran it. Quick off the line meant you had a beefy power curve.
I’m considering a port and polish on my 02 955i Daytona, but need to find an expert at it.
I noticed you had a Triumph triple as first or second best non-Harley. What I decided also, after some research. As a long time drag racing fan, the power curve of the triples is quite broad and conducive to twisting it even below midrange.
That’s enough. Hope it’s not TMI.
MLLH&R. Any suggestions appreciated.
Where’s the cat on it?
-Matt’s dad, still going fast
Thank you for this video. Just bought my first Harly, a 21 Road Glide that has a Stage 1 already. Was thinking about getting the Stage 2 installed, and hearing that it lessens the reliability, I am now dropping those plans. The bike can already shit and git, I dont need more if it is less reliable. Awesome explanation.
Good video. I always find them informative and entertaining.
Everyone is ignorant only on different subjects-Roy Rogers.
Thanks for the info just picked up a 2012 dyna street Bob custom 103 with a stage 1 done will be getting stage 2 at the end of this riding season
Dude, you hit it spot on!!
So when do you plan on installing the cam in the Ultra? Are we going to see the install video(s). I plan on installing a cam in my 2020 114 next winter when it goes in the basement in Nov (central Michigan). Would like to see your video before I do mine. Still have plenty of time for research but it looks like the S&S 465 Cam Kit for me.
I’d like to do it before Sturgis this year but it depends on a million things. I’ll video the installs but I know it won’t be an “install video.” There will be too many beers and curse words to qualify.
perfect!👌
Good Stuff Monk! I'm a Harley Davidson Factory trained tech/mechanic. I love the way you put in terms that are simple for lots of folks who haven't been on Harley very long or just starting and are great info for those who have been riding and doing upgrades!
Personally speaking, going beyond Stage II is just shortening the life of your motor. Cams make your bike run reliably AKA better and don't require too much time on a Dyno. I no longer work for Harley Davidson, because I'm retired Army and I wasn't interested in all the new doo-dads that the young folks think are so cool. Most of that is just hype and companies getting them to be born again, I know more than you types. BS. Motorcycles are simple machines for the most part. There is so much you can do to them that you could never do them all on one bike unless you like to change up here and there.
I have 2017 FLTRU Road Glide Ultra, it's got the S&S .475c cam, best upgrade for any bagger! It's still a 107" that won't change until it gives up. I have so much work into this bike that it probably wouldn't keep many folks attention span attempting to read it.
So, I'd like to just express some of the highlights of the upgrades that I have on the bike currently:
I have a full Legend Suspension front and rear. I thought it would cure the wobble on tight turns! While it's more comfortable and tracks better, it still has the turn wobble. It's a wobble that becomes a soar spot for me, I have endeavored to make the ride more functional and great handling. Then I saw the King of the Bagger race! 1 and 2. Race 2 the Harley Road Glide took the win and I was curious what it was that they used to rid the bike of the wobble. I'm sure making it lighter was the biggest factor but the folks at Mad Monkey went a step further. They actually got rid of the rubber rear fork bushings and replaced them with CNC aluminum bushings. Wow! Totally changed the entire ride of the bike. Seems to hang in the corners much better and no more rear wheel wobble. I had always thought that since my days of riding Sportster and Evos I was tired of the vibration. Yes, it now vibrates, but not annoyingly so. Harley-Davidson brags on how they got ride of 75% of the bagger vibration and I'm here to tell you I probably added that vibration back with the Mad Monkey rear fork bushing. Best part about it all, it only cost me $49 + tax and shipping.
Any dealership will do the swap for you, but you'll probably spend about $300 in labor getting it done. Plus it's a great way to learn how to work on your own stuff and get some good experience and helping others as well. It doesn't really take as long as you would think. It's exactly the same swap you do on rubber bushings. All done on a bike lift, if you have one, and flat scissor jack. Took me half an hour. Takes a little getting used to the bike RPM increase, I would speculate that is from the rear belt pulling a lot quicker than all that rubber. There's just too much rubber and comfort on these baggers. LOL
Anyway, good channel, you have a new fan!
Nice, i just bought a 22 softail standard, what exhaust would u recommend? And is it easy to install a slip on exhaust? I dont have $1400 to pay harley to do a stage 1
I have 21’ Road King Standard with a stage 2 SE. I got my chops busted for sticking with Harley upgrades but I don’t care i paid for the warranty and I’m super pleased with the power. It don’t matter the power its all about the rider anyway
I understand completely. If warranty is your concern then staying with Harley parts is the way to go no doubt.
Always good to cover the basics
I’m a fan of stage 1 and supporting mods that help the bike run cooler as well as rider triangle comfort.
I think it is time to do a stage 1 in my Dyna, thanks for the simple easy to understand explanation Mr. Monkey! :)
You bet!
really enjoy all the things you cover. Please keep up the good work!
Thank you very much!
Thank you! Just bought my first Harley Davidson. 2019 softail deluxe has a 107 stage 2 kit. And being new to the scene I wasn't sure exactly what all stage 2 included.
Excellent video. Easy to understand. Your videos are excellent. I hope mine get to this level eventually.
Subscribed and Bell Clicked! I stumbled on your channel yesterday, and have been binge watching your content. Good stuff! I rode (a rice-burning superbike, Honda VFR 750) in the 80's and 90's when I lived in Central Florida, but got out of riding when children came along. It was too difficult to predict when I'd have to pick up the kids from day care after work. I'm now within 6 months of retiring, and have bought myself a nice 2017 Sportster Custom 1200, even knowing that Sporties are often snubbed within the riding community. But, for getting back into 'the game,' I thought that it was the perfect bike, especially considering that it looks fantastic, has low miles, and is used (bought through my local HD dealership with a warranty). I'm loving it so far, but know that I'll almost certainly move into a nicer bike as I rediscover the style of riding that I really enjoy. Long preamble... sorry. As I'm trying to get caught up the new stuff, since the 80s/90s, I've really enjoyed your content, especially the content that could keep me from getting my ass kicked, if I unintentionally got to close to 'serious members' of a motorcycle club. Even though I know how to ride, I've signed up for a new riders course and will take a follow-on course or two, too, to hopefully learn stuff that I didn't know that I didn't know. I've read a lot of the snide comments that your channel gets, and I just wanted to say that I think that your content is at the perfect level for someone like, who's relatively new to the motorcycle hobby (although I grew up on dirt bikes and crotch rockets) and its norms of behavior. Please keep it going!
Im happy with my stage 1 on my 103. Plenty of get up and go, sounds great with the Vance Hines 3 slash cuts hi flow KN air filter and Vance Hines tuner
How do you do, fellow V&N runner :)
@@Hero_of_Legend doing well ready for warmer weather to go riding
I appreciate the video! I am new to the Harley/cruiser world and found this extremely helpful. Looking fwd to watching your other videos!
Glad it was helpful!
i like the way you explain things keep up the great work, I have a 2022 street glide st 117. i just did the stage one. thinking of doing the stage 4 just jumping over the over stages lol. what do you think the cost would be .not holding anyone to the price just looking for a ballpark number. ok thnanks
Thanks for a simple explanation. Over 50 years of riding, HD is the only mass-market brand I haven’t owned and I always wonder when my Harley riding buddies talk about “gonna do a stage 2 next year…”
Just got a few Harley’s (fat boy 2021 and cvo street glide 2018) as I hit 50 and decided to move away from sports bikes. I’ve been watching your videos quietly for the last week. I appreciate your content it’s been interesting and you are fun on camera bud. Best from Ireland 🤘🏻
There are a lot of people who ride but have no idea what is going on with their bike. Your simplistic explanations help anyone to understand.
I have a 17 RGSpl with the 114 Stage IV built by the dealer before I bought it home. I like it, but a little underwhelmed. Leaning towards a new Red Shift cam to see if it wakes it up a little more.
Keep the videos coming.
Great shit. Great knowledge. I had know clue about the stages. I do basic shot on all of my Bros bikes. Via oil, brakes stators so and so fourth. This was great. Especially because I'm changing my Bros air filter from a stage 1 filter to another stage 1. Just doing research. Thank you. Will watch more of your great videos
Thank you!
Funny you posted this I literally talked to my local dealership about doing stage 2 with aftermarket cam he said not to if u like your warranty lol
That’s true. Just about anything voids your warranty…
@@ProfessionalMonkey they said a screaming eagle cam only the part is covered and I said to him than I should just go with a zipper performance cam package he said that voids your warranty .it that only for engine or the whole bike
Been riding Harleys for a few years (5) now and have always been curious about stage upgrades, glad to hear them laid out simple instead of confusing me.
Getting close to my 50,000 mile service. Kick in’ around doing a stage 1 and TAB slip ons. It’s funny, I’ve had folk comment that I still have the stock pipes like I’m from another planet. At this point it really wasn’t a concern of mine. I do have allot of accessories on my Street Glide special. I just haven’t done anything to the engine yet.
Love the channel, excellent explanation on a subject I’ve been curious about, just not enough to look it up… 😝
Real simple…Thank you.
I did the Stage 2 on my Twin Cam, with the Jim's tool it was easy. Getting ready to do the S&S 475 stage 2 kit on my M8 CVO 117, but have to buy another Jim's tool for the M8 ....
another great video..i just tried buying a couple stickers for my work bench and my bags on my street glide and it won't let me check out.. tried couple times and it just wont.....:(
Sorry to hear that, let me check it out.
I was very happy with my 2010 FLHTCU. Even happier after the stage 2. K&N, Rinehart, Woods 555, and TTS.
Great video as usual. I myself went with with a stage 2.. best bang for the buck.. I was thinking 124 upgrade but probably not as reliable as you said
Great video. Thanks for putting it together.
Great advice as stage one is going on this week if parts come in. Not to worried about more power but getting my 117 to breathe and run cooler. Also lifting the tank a little do to living out here. I am getting old as I ride a trike but still in the wind and the big thing is I am selling my timeout and getting a toy hauler. I want to go from state to state setting up a base camp and riding that state. Only 2A states. Others don't need my money. Just did 300 miles Friday from St.Johns to Flagstaff and back in the dark. Daytime in low 50s then at dark mid 40s and got back to town where I park it was 37° so a little chilly for this Older Bit. Keep safe and who knows I may end up down that way come fall.
I’m with you on the 2A. We travel a lot and last year we went to 12 states and made sure they all was 2A states or we did not go and spend our money there. I have lots of family in ca and I will not ever go back.
Thank you for the info
Nicely Done Monk! Appreciate your presentation and explanations of the stages to those of us fairly new to HD. Thanks
Moonshine has like a 146!! Idk I could of looked that up but it's close enough!!
Dude! Great stuff on stages, not all are exclusive gear heads but LOVE to ride our HOGS, so great information for those who weren’t sure. That’s what makes a great channel is covering all peoples curiosities.
Great video Monkey!
Thanks for the video. Been riding for a while but, I never had a Harley and not much of a mechanic after the basics. So, I never looked into engine stages or even the difference between panhead/shovelhead etc...
Glad to help!
So what does all the stages cost; say for a Street Glide!!! Really enjoy your channel!!!
How much ya got? Ha! No, really the sky is the limit and depends on what you choose.
Been loving your channel. I wanna get into riding motorcycles and you have been really helpful in understanding more about the culture and even the basics of riding. Keep it up
Awesome, thank you!
PEACE. I've been watching and enjoying your channel for months. I don't know why i'm just getting around to subscribing. Sorry and Thanx!
NOT STUPID! I needed this explanation
I loved the video, very informative, thanks. My problem is I like the sound of the stock pipes on my 21 RK. I ride with earplugs (all the time) and the bike sounds great to me. So, is there a tuner/dyno setup that will improve the fuel map/heat with stock goodies?
You can autotune a stock bike with a Dynojet PV3 and it will still richen the bike up right. All bikes come lean to meet EPA requirements so even a stock bike can be made better.
awesome topic thank you
Thanks!!!
I agree, most refer to stage 1,2,3 and 4
Once again great video..I like how you get your point across. I was one of those guys that didn't know what stage I was on... Because I think I went a little too far 😂. What did all the way up to stage four and then got my engine blueprinted the crank zeroed and a timkin bearing put on I put titanium springs in the heads got it Ford and polished yeah I think I went a little too far... But I actually think my reliability on the bike went up.. did it back in 2016 I got 50k on the bike.. and she just loves to run.. thanks again Mr monkey for a good video . Ride Safe
Oh yeah, that’s a build. If you go all all in like that they’ll be pretty bulletproof but that’s ALL the money, right?
@@ProfessionalMonkey yep...But told the wife We got a great deal on the part's 😉
Hay Pro-Monkey love all your vids keep up the good work on those, just a quick question when doing a stage 1 Can you just upgrade to any after market exhaust or is a 2 into 1 best???
Depends on what you’re after. 2-1’s perform the best if you’re chasing numbers, but if you’re after loud ya need something else. I think a 2-2 with a hidden volume headpipe with whatever muffler you want is the best, buts that’s just my preference. Tab Performance is by far my favorite stuff, but I like loud.
@@ProfessionalMonkey that’s nice to hear cause I’m looking for sound not stats because I was thinking of slapping a Pair of Vance and Hines short shots on my ‘22 street bob for sounds but every video I’ve watch has a 2-1 on it and they look good they just don’t tickle my fancy, just really trying to pay my “Harley tax” and have a non stock bike, everything is so god dam expensive down here in New Zealand , thanks for the help
Great information , thank you
You’re welcome!
Great weather you got down there , get going with some riding video Dude .
Good video Monkey, I have been looking into a Zippers 107 muscle kit for my 08 twin cam. From what I've seen seems to be alot of bang for the buck kit!
Love your videos brother!
Please keep up the outstanding work.
Thank you!
Good video. Basic for those just getting into biking. I like that you said if you want it to start every time leave it alone or do a stage one so it breaths better and runs cooler.
Did a stage 2(?) On my'17 RoadKing 107, Cobra high flow air cleaner, Rhinehart 2-1 pipes, Andrews 460 cam( drop in), ThunderMax tuner. throttle response is awesome, top end is everything I want it to be .
Thank you ! Great video!! I learned something here......
Great information! Thank you. I’d like to ask, but I don’t expect an answer because it may be a stupid question! 😂 I bought my first HD 2001 FatBoy in April 2023. Is there a way to tell if you already have a Stage 1 or Stage 2 in your bike?
Stage 1 you can see if the plastic backing plate is still on the air cleaner.
@@ProfessionalMonkey …thank you sir!!! The backing plate is metal…it looks like I have a hypercharger air cleaner
That was some damn fine Monkness right there!
Grassy ass!