The Two Doors
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- Would you survive the puzzle of the two doors?
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The twist is they're both lying, but one door is lying to the adventurer and the other is lying to themself.
One has self-esteem issues
Reality has entered the chat.
It was obvious because they both are saying the same thing, yet one of them is lieing?
One of them tells truth (not always) other always lies so its probably impossible to solve this puzzlel
LMAO
I love the idea that before they came up with the puzzle, they were just two enchanted doors without any kind of gimmick, greeting adventurers and inviting them inside.
It gets boring when you can't go anywhere and don't even have arms to play.
"Ring my doorbell"
But anyway, i died laughing at how they just casually keep talking after our Adventurer plummets to his death.
Me too
He didn't die. Why will someone walk into a hole or whatever killing method is behind when you can see while openning the door?
He was just asking which door is for men toilet, they say: "it doesn't matter. Both are toilets", then he entered the females one, and a woman sreamemed.
@Normal_user_coniven 😂❤❤
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The adventurer deserves no attention he totally ruined the gig
Oh, I know this one! The trick is to ask one door, if the other one has put on any weight recently. That way they either lie and get called out for it, or they tell the truth and have a big fight over it and you just walk through while they're distracted.
Now I am afrait to ask what doors could eat to gain weight 😢.
@molybdaen11 Wood
@@molybdaen11Don't doors eat anything that walks through them? Wait, that would mean every room is a stomach. A double stomach on either side in offices. Wow this is actually a scary thought experiment, I'm done. Doors don't eat.
K, what if it doesn’t work because they don’t care… they doors waiting for someone for who knows how long…
Acting like it doesn’t matter would be childsplay
@@lucky7bolt456 Well I mean you could also just not walk through the doors. Only the adventurer protagonist has the choices, the poor doors are stuck there indefinitely.
Huh, Yugioh did a subversion like this once. Turned out both of them were lying, but just not always and the whole riddle was just a trap.
Lol I thought of that show too. It was when he n Joey had to face the paradox brothers on the island
Samurai Jack did that too
It's almost impossible in puzzles like this to prove that either one isn't actually a mixed bag of truth and lies. It's nearly always a possibility
@@nyotamwuaji6484 You beat me to it. 😂
@@bobmcguffin5706 "does 1+1=2" Pretty simple if they actually follow the rules of 1 tells only truths and one tells only lies.
But if they both tell truths and lies, then they're just normal ass people and just needed to be treated as such. I mean who believes some rando off the street that says " _I_ only tell truths" at face value? 😅
There are three guards. One of them tells the truth, one lies and the third wacks you on the head if you ask weird questions.
I cast fireball.
does any of the guards whack you on the head if you ask wierd questions?
which head? ;) *gets bonked*
@@user-ef4qi8ik6m Best answer, so it seems.
What even qualifies as weird though?
The way I always used to try n figure these riddles out when I was younger😭😭
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The correct question to ask is “Which door would the other door say is the way to the treasure/the way forward/whatever the prize is?” And then whatever they say, choose the opposite.
If the door is lying, then they will say the opposite of whatever the truthful door says.
If the door tells the truth, they will tell you the lying door’s lie.
But the real Merlee was just the one covered in toilet water.
@@UltrangerSamurai Jack tried this once with a talking two headed serpent. Turns out both were liars.
@@AZSprocket "When does the magic begin" :D
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"there is no magic is there?" ):
U don’t need to ask a question. Open a door to see what’s inside. If it’s the wrong door then close it and go through the other door. They don’t have arms they can’t hurt you.
congratulations you opened the door that kills you when you open it.
@@sea-envy3137 Spring-trapped spear door
See, thos is EXACTLY why doors hate a smarty pants/individual capable of any critical thinking whatsoever.
@@sea-envy3137 while opening the door stay behind it as cover
well, the thing about the riddle is that the trap happens only after you go through it. Whether it's an infinite maze or a deadly calamity, the person doesn't find out until it's too late
if the first one says "one of us tells the truth" and the other says "the other always lies" that implies a paradox to where both statements are equally possibly invalid.
Not really, one of them may lie and rhe other always lies or one of them always tells the truth amd the other doesn't always lie
yeah, no. depends on where is the negative.
on the one (none or both), the truth (lie) and the other (me or none).
this way the statements have no logic meaning because is ambiguous
edit: so can be said without any consideration to being truth or not.
edit2: it can be also a command!
edit3: if you say that the negative goes on the truth or lies, it can be said without any paradox. ot having "none always lies", but tha play goes way
Not at all. If we start with that, we already know the first door is the truth teller. The second door will always lie about the truth teller, and will say that the truth teller (the other) always lies.
Determining that, you can ask the first door which the safe route is.
"one of us tells the truth" is a true statement...something the Liar is incapable of doing.
If both doors are actually liars, the problem is accepting their initial false premise.
If anyone's curious and doesn't know, the question to ask this riddle would be "Where would the other door tell me to go into?" and then pick the opposite path.
Truth door would tell you the liar would go in the Doom door, and the liar will tell you to go to the "Success" door but he's lying so he'll also point to the Doom door!
Only if you assume the riddle itself to be true, but in this case there are many technicalities due to which the normal solution wouldn’t necessarily work.
The doors can't point...they have no arms!
Thank you. I've been trying to figure this out since 1986. They actually give the explanation in Labyrinth, but it goes by too quickly and I never understand it. 😂
That's the right technique, but it's important to also specify the outcome you want. We tend to associate truth with good and lies with evil but the "truth door" doesn't inherently want you to live/succeed.
"Which door would the other door tell me [is safe/leads to the castle]" May work better, lest one end up like that fellow in the video! 😊
Ok.
But what if the liar tells you the safe door is the liar door
And then the safe door tells you that the liar door would not be lying
So then the safe door just made the liar door the truth door because
If the liar lied when he lied but the safe door told the truth saying the liar door isn’t lying
That the safe door is the liar door
Then the liar door would be seen as truthful.
Because the truth telling door told a truth that the liar isn’t lying because he said the truth, that he is the liar door…
So the door wanting to be truthful, lied, confessing that the lie of him being a liar is true
Because by him admitting to it, would make me truthful as per his claim.
But it would invalidate the liar, because now, the liar is speaking truth.
Thus confusing you further, and because you wasted your question
They got u thinking up is down down is up and both is correct.
But then it could as simple as that the truth sayer was saying the truth when he said he was the liar.
Thus fufilling his role.
Speaking truth.
Which would then in turn make the liar door properly a liar, for he has lied.
Whether or not the truth door saw the truth or not…
Now you have a truth telling liar whose confirmed he is the liar while proving the liar is supposedly the truthteller.
Then you go for the door proven as a truthteller , and it’s the liar.
Only if you were to go for the door that lied a truth once…
Instead of the liar who told a truth supposedly.
Never said they can’t cover…
“One of us tells the, the other only tells lies. One of us leads to your quest, the other to your demise.”
“Alright, which one of you is a door?”
“Both of us.”
“That was true. I’ll go with you then.”
*Gets eaten by a dragon inside.*
“Why do they always assume the one telling the truth is the same door they want to go through?”
That is... actually a good point. They never actually specified that the one that told the truth is the one that also led to something good.
@@cjdavis7924 that’s why you never take the word of a talking door at face value.
Because that's not the answer to the riddle. Good try though. The actual answer takes that into account.
Sarah in the David Bowie movie "Labyrinth" asks: "You! If I ask the other one which door is the right one, what would they tell me?" Then takes the other door.
But I don't remember if that is the part when she fell in that deep hole. 🤔
It is immediately after, but it was *also* the correct way to the castle.
So the first door is the one lying.
If the first one is lying, so is the second
I think your correct, the first door was the one to say "One of us tells the truth" which is a lie
@@JLS_Creations yea but the second door said they both lead to the same place so both doors was a trap?
I think the first door was telling the truth (the can't see what's on the other side) and the second was lying (they DON'T lead to the same place) but the first door was the incorrect choice.
@@LycanDreams9159 They said "One of us tells the truth, and the other always lies" it was never said that the other will always tell the truth
Oh, come on, i was watching a stand-up routine of Tom Wilson (AKA Biff Tannen) singing his "Question Song". But... with this being Chris Hallbeck, Biff can wait...
I mean, you could always scratch both itches with the Book of Biff
Q: Who is the biggest asshole you've ever worked with?
A: Gary Busey!
Both were in a little known movie called Let's Get Harry. It also starred Robert Duvall, Mark Harmon, Michael Schoeffling, and the late Glenn Frey, Ben Johnson, and Gregory Sierra.
I mean, both have to do with asking questions...
What does any of this have to do with the video?
One tells truth and the other tells lies, eh?
"Hey bucketheads, what's two plus two?"
so which door you gonna pick
Finding out who's lying is easy, finding out which is the right door is the issue, as long as you're only allowed one question.
Actually that's an astonishingly easy solution. Nobody said you can only ask one question, so just establish which door tells the truth with an easy math question and then ask him if he is the safe door.
@@Statsy10 "you may ask one question" though
@@ConvenientLamp Oh, you're right. Dang!
This actually does work even if you count the "setup", but it proves that neither door can be trusted:
A: One of us tells the truth (true)
B: The other always lies (false)
A: One door leads to your quest (false)
B: The other to your demise (true)
A: You may ask one question (instruction: no truth value)
B: To claim your prize (instruction: no truth value)
The first statement only says that one of the doors tells the truth, but not that it _always_ tells the truth. That is, for one of the doors, it will tell the truth at least some of the time. The second statement says that the other door always lies, which must be false, because A made a true statement (the first one) and B made a true statement (the fourth one), so clearly neither door can _always_ be lying. If the first statement is true and the second one false, that just means that _both_ doors can either tell the truth or tell a lie.
Interesting, and I like the logic. I disagree that the 6th statement has no truth value as it implies that 'the prize' is present and available to someone who uses their one question well, but that's a minor quibble.
You have slipped up though. Intrinsic to this solution is the idea that one of the statements of either A or B must be true, and the other false. But you would only apply such a rule if you believe the first two statements, which you have no reason to, and in fact, you believe the 2nd to be false anyway.
The phrase: "you may ask one question" is not an absolute statement therefore you may ask more than one question.
What happens if your quest is your demise?
What happens if neither door leads to your demise?
also, the "truth" for they is what they know, so, the one who say the truth, say the "truth" he know as truth, about false.
and, by the "truth", he mention thats "the truth" is on a single phrase, like "the one tells THE truth", not, all the truth, so, the only truth is, one of both always lies, so, if one those always lie, it imply thats the one (A) who said "one tell the truth" is telling the truth about it but, about the rest? so, by truth, the only truth is about one of both is always telling lies, because, if the second try to "denay" the true, its a lie, same as denay the lie as a lie, is a lie too, so, by telling the truth the A said thats all danay of truth or lie by the B is false, therefore, the own statement "all a i said is lie" its a lie, however, if its a lie, will be a lie again, so, the one who lies is the A and B, because he's treat like a true a contradictory statement, contradictory dont imply lie btw; another evidence is the A do saying "we both make this idea", and B telling the A thats is his idea, both can lying about the whole idea.
The first one i contradictory, the second is lie, therefore, both cnat be trusted
If the left door (our left) is the liar, then "one of us tells the truth" is a lie - then it isn't the case that one of them tells the truth (they're both liars). Then, the right door must be lying when it says "one of us always lies." If that's a lie, then it isn't the case that one of them always lies (they're both truth tellers). That's a contradiction, so the left door, at least, must be telling the truth, so we know it's a truth teller (we assume that neither door can sometimes tell truth and sometimes lie). What of the right door? It says "one of us always lies". If this is true, then they're both truth tellers, and the statement is false, making it a liar. This is a contradiction, so this can't be the case. If the statement is false, then again, it isn't the case that "one of us always lies", and they must both be telling the truth - but, again, if the statement "one of us always lies" is true, that makes the right door a truth teller as well as the left door, making the statement false, which is also a contradiction.
I love that one still tells the truth and the other lies at the end before he chooses a door... But did the one that said he doesn't know where they lead or the fact they both go to the same place lie...
Well, there wouldn't be any point of the riddle or any way of continuing alive if the second door was telling the truth, so they don't know exactly what is on the other side. However, they don't need to know what is on the other side to know that one of them opens to the correct path to take. After all, they can hear the screams from people entering the first door. If no one screams entering the second door or maybe says something affirming that it is the right path, then they can be sure they don't lead to the same place.
The first one is the one that always lies, rhey both lead to demise since he lied about one of them leading to what he desired and one of them always telling the truth
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 The wizard: "...and then I'll design this one to trap them silently! It's devious, I love it!"
This reminds me of the 1986 movie Labyrinth, with David Bowie and Jennifer Connelly. Where she's stuck in the maze, and meets the two Jester card doors with the riddles.
Exactly what I was thinking of too
That show was weird but fun. Also, the question she asked is the best way to handle this problem
Reminds me of the first season of Yu-Gi-Oh! where Yugi figured the riddle is rigged anyway and instead tricked the door guards to reveal the right door.
@@Crystalelements182 It is the best way to handle the situation if one of the doors always does lie and the other always does speak the truth. Otherwise the best way to handle the situation is, as Arthur Weasley put it: "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain."
From memory, in that there are 4 talking heads. The top two for the riddle, the bottom two explained it.
In the words of a wise Green: "You can't trust either of them."
"You know this is true... because it rhymes" - Vetruvius
Obvious the second door tells the truth.
My personal RPG wisdom: When quest obstacles start mentioning the word "lie", it's time to unpack the rotary cannon.
That wouldn't have any effect whatever on whether you die when you walk through a door.
So the first door was lying since after the setup? "It hasn't started yet" = it has started? And the second one "the setup didn't count" is also true. But then the first door would'nt give a hug to the second? Unwholesome
(Me actively figuring it out, conclusion at bottom)
Wait I feel like this actually works until after the adventurer goes through the door, the chatting after that point seems difficult to claim as one lying and the other not. But according to the "truthful" door it was their idea so they don't have to always lie so for the main part of it they could have been. But the "truthful" one also said they both lead to the same place which in the setup only the "liar" said one would lead to the quest but the setup didn't count yet. But either way the "truthful" one said in the setup "the other to your demise" and afterwards that they "both lead to the same place"
Soooo, in conclusion, the setup didn't count and it was their idea so the whole setup was a lie, the actual thing followed the rules and after the adventurer goes through they speak however they want. Neat.
@@Cameron115the liar said that the other one always tells the truth so they can lie
Isn't the second door the liar? It is the one that said both doors lead to the prize.
They didn't actually say that the truthful door would be the correct one to go through.
@@Devlerbat it actually said they both lead to the same place, in the setup where (in my conclusion) it was mostly bullshit and made up.. it's possible that they both are bad or both good, a scream isn't a good sign but if its a safe enough landing it could potentially lead to the next part of the adventurer's quest somehow. In stories there's always ups and downs both figuratively and literally so it's possible. Whether Chris really thought this hard about any of this idk but its an interpretation which is neat
@@Cameron115 I rewatched it. Only the door that he didn't go through says it doesn't matter which one he picks and that they lead to the same place (the setup actually does say they are different, but not that there is a correlation between survival and the door's truthfulness). I proposed that the door he didn't go through is the lying door. The truthful door is the one that said they can't see what is on the other side (which is not the same as saying it doesn't matter what they picked.)
Why would doors know anything that would help the adventurer? And from a straight logic perspective, Raymond Smullyan's point on the matter is spot-on: a logic puzzle demands at the least metaknowledge confirming this is in fact a puzzle that can be solved by applying logic. Otherwise, doors can say anything, and nothing they say has to be either truth or lie.
0:59 this is a cute way of finding out the answer
1:18 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
*POOR SOUL…*
*PRESS F FOR RESPECT*
Both doors lead to the same place. He was doomed from the start
@@bloodred255Just turn back
@@bloodred255
That door was lying.
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Doors: "One of us lies, the other tells the truth"
Me: "If I asked the other door 'Are there more doors or wheels in the world?', what would it say?"
Doors: "What?"
Me: "This knowledge is way more important than any gold"
It's wheels, by a long shot.
@@peterbraunschweig2779 Unless you count transistors as doors.
@@anerdwithaswitch9686 Why would transistors count as doors?
Because a transistor is like a door for electricity. It's how it's taught. Controlling the transistor is opening and closing a door so small that only an electric charge can pass through. Many electric concepts are taught with practical analogy.
@@Vincent_Beers Oh okay, I guess that makes sense. But, it's too small to be a real door that physically opens and closes.
I love everything about this!!😂❤
I literally paused the video after they first gave their speech and said, "That doesn't make any sense."😂😂😂
😂😂😂
My brain was twisting and contorting about it. I was so relieved the sketch addressed this 🤣
Just see which ones pants catch on fire
*A pair of pants on the side of the road suddenly catches flame*
But that's the problem
They don't wear any
that's the issue, the whole no legs thing
Nah, that'll never work... The no legs thing.
@@jocomfiresin6982 "liar liar, liar's on fire"
"No buddy you haven't asked your questions yet. You're asking for clarification on the setup of the puzzle. Now please ask your one question that's relevant to the puzzle now that you understand the premise"
0:20 Yugioh did this exactly same thing. Yugi realized that the liar could never admit to there being one truth teller and one liar. The only way it makes sense is if they're both liar.
Samurai Jack did the same thing with the two headed snake saying one snake head led to the stomach, the other was a magic portal.
And it's implied the two doors in Labyrinth also did this...
Only if the ones giving the riddle are the twins themselves, though. Like the doors said, an impartial third party helps clear it all up.
The first time I came across this riddle was in Amos Daragon, a teen fantasy novel. The one giving the riddle was a cerberus, and the middle head told the riddle involving its other two heads being one liar and one truth teller.
It is possible that the door guards in Labyrinth are both liars, or don't actually understand the riddle (which they freely admit to Sarah).
But it's likely because Sarah said, "It's a piece of cake." Every time she says this in the movie, she is immediately punished by something going horribly wrong. She barely finishes saying it before the trap door opens.
The hydra or whatever in Jack was of course written incorrectly. If they were both liars, then the head could never have stated "One of us always lies", since that's true.
I love reading how people "solve" this riddle. Because it shows that even in a world where the answer is common knowledge, people are still dumb enough to mess it up by thinking themselves smart.
No, nobody said the truth door leads to your goal. No, you only get one question. Some people even forget the lying door lies to you.
True, but these kinds riddles are usually in the sort of story where morality matters, so 'lying is bad' logic would lead to the honest door being correct. Of course, that only works in kids media where moral lessons are the point.
Yeah, funniest part is when people have heard the solution but word it wrong. Like wording it by while asking which one they'd recommend is also wrong (no one said they want you to live, even the honest one may want you to go in the death door). You need to word it with objectivity ("which one is safe to go through" or something, not "which one should I go through", then modified by however you want to figure out which one is truth like asking "what would you say if I asked" before main question).
@@nnoxie.a ok, let's say they answer yes. What then, would you know which one it is? What if they answer no, would you know?
@@nnoxie.a aight, a double question, that's a smart way to solve it. Not sure the doors will allow it (or even realise you're asking two questions, like it happened to me) but it's worth a try.
The common answer is to ask what would the other door say and then reversing it, which does the same thing by ensuring there's always an even number of lies (2 lies, while in your answer there's sometimes 0 and sometimes 2).
But neat, I've never seen that answer, absolutely love it.
@@nnoxie.a You assume they know what your quest is. What happens if they don't? That hallway clearly continued on, those doors could just be a side room.
This reminds me of that time I watched a video by Chris Hallbeck about two talking doors and one was named “Honest Abe” and the other named “Pants on Fire”. They decided to change their names after a while.
"If you were the other door, which door would you say is the correct one to go through?" (and then go through the opposite of what he says because a lying door would lie about what the truth telling door would say, and would tell you the bad door, and the truth telling door would tell you the truth of what the lying door would say, which would also be the bad door.)
Or even, "What would you say is the right door?" and go through whatever they say. The true one would say the correct door. The liar would say the incorrect, but because you asked what he would say, he lies and also says the correct door.
What does "correct" mean? How does the door know what a human would consider correct? What if doors believe that dying is correct?
When Chris Perkins used this in a Acquisitions Inc podcast, the one door (statue in his case) only spoke the question(s) part, and the other only spoke the truth and lies part. The party quickly figured out the questions one is the liar (but considered the possibility that they might alternate lying), but ended up walking away from the puzzle anyway.
lol the moment one of them started explaining the rules I was "Wait that's not how it's supposed..." 😂
"One of us always tells the truth, the other always lies ... Hey, pay attention. What are you doing down there. What is that? Why is it ticking?! Where are you running off to?"
You get the next adventurer to write it down. As DM the first thing I thought of was "oh yeah, the setup would have to be written down or else they'll be like, 'so half the setup was a lie?'c
And how would you know whoever wrote that down was trustworthy?
Oddly wholesome. I hope these doors get arms.
I find both doors to be enchanting and adorable!
Unless I'm lying...
Adoorable! Love it!
Never trust the enchanted objects of a dungeon which wants to kill you!
That’s why the original riddle had the set up written on a plaque
How do you know the guy that made the plaque was trustworthy?
If the first door is lying and the second tells the truth, then both doors lead to demise.
If both are lying then "the other always lie" is a lie, which means one of them has to tell the truth, which is a paradox.
If I say to you "I always lie" doesn't it mean that I don't always lie rather than always tell the truth
@@pedrolmlkzk Umu, you have a point there.
"the other always lies" would still be a lie if both always lie, it implies the speaker doesn't always lie.
If the left door (our left) is the liar, then "one of us tells the truth" is a lie - then it isn't the case that one of them tells the truth (they're both liars). Then, the right door must be lying when it says "one of us always lies." If that's a lie, then it isn't the case that one of them always lies (they're both truth tellers). That's a contradiction, so the left door, at least, must be telling the truth, so we know it's a truth teller (we assume that neither door can sometimes tell truth and sometimes lie). What of the right door? It says "one of us always lies". If this is true, then they're both truth tellers, and the statement is false, making it a liar. This is a contradiction, so this can't be the case. If the statement is false, then again, it isn't the case that "one of us always lies", and they must both be telling the truth - but, again, if the statement "one of us always lies" is true, that makes the right door a truth teller as well as the left door, making the statement false, which is also a contradiction.
The scenario, as presented, literally can't exist. Even in fiction.
Doors having an existential crisis about their own puzzle was not something id thought id see today, yet here i am
The 10th Kingdom had a great answer for this kind of riddle! 😂 so funny!
I love how your comics are all so wholesome and sweet and dark AF. Subverting expectations. It's a beautiful thing.
I legit thought the adventurer would ask something like "do you two like-like each other" and the respective reactions of the doors would lead to the answer on who was lying, but I guess that wouldn't make any sense since the adventurer would still be clueless as to which door is actually safe lol
Like,
Adventurer: "do you two have feelings for each other?"
Door 1: "n.. no.."
Door 2: "yes"
Door 2: "wait, what?"
Door 1: "you like me??"
Door 2: "but I... I thought you felt the same way.."
Door 1: "I do! Er- I mean- I don't-"
Door 2: "what are you talking a- ohhhhhhhh"
Adventurer: *smiles at the blushing doors*
Fun fact:
The original version of this question involves 2 guards who are lying and telling the truth and the task was to ask them which door to go through
Thats hilarious the first door was telling the truth when he said they don't even know whats on the other side and the second door lied when saying both lead to the same place which means the whole puzzle is just a joke for the doors and its a complete gamble were the door leads you to and this adventurer was unlucky and met his demise lol anything the doors say doesnt matter cause they dont know where the lead to this personification comic between the doors is so cute keep up the good work Chris every upload makes me smile.
Reminds me of The Labyrinth movie from the 80s
I like how the suggestions they come up in the end are the ways this puzzle is presented for real
That awkward moment when you hallucinate that a couple doors are talking to you.
I love that the adventurer looked inside, saw the same thing in both, and still walked right off a cliff. I think the real gimmick was false hope all along.
"how many fingers do i have on my right hand?"
that should solve that.
Is a thumb a finger?
Maybe better to ask, "Do I have 12 fingers on my right hand?"
..but.. then you don't know which door to go through...
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oh right, forgot about that.
i don't think its possible, unless i ask 2 questions.
@@danielgehring7437well if one always tells the truth and one always lies, if it said “yes” to 12 fingers that would be the liar wouldn’t it? (I know the technical answer to this riddle, but I’ve wondered about simple solutions like this too lol)
The face makes me think of good old Henry
For those who don't know the answer to these puzzles, here it is;
(Spoilers, Duh)
"If I asked your counterpart what door leads to the good thing, which would they point to?"
If by chance you asked this to the truth-door/guard/guardian/statue/whatthefuckever then the door would say that the liar door would say the door that leads to the bad thing.
If you picked the liar-door/guard/whatthefuckever then it would say the other door would say the door that leads to the bad thing is the good one.
Therefore nonmatter who you ask, they have just told you which door is the bad one so choose the other one for the loot/treasure/whatever.
If you can't tell, I play a lot of D&D
Yes, exactly! Thank you!
Just ask if they know which one of them is the correct path. The only way the riddle can work is if both doors know which is the correct path. Even figuring out which one is lying is useless if they don't know which one to go through.
The liar will say, "no" while the honest one says, "yes".
Then, ask both of them "are you the correct path?".
If they both say "yes", then go through the truthful door. If they both say "no", then go through the lying door.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 You only get one question.
@@SoulDragonWithFlow Fair point. But, you could claim that the first one is still part of the set up and the trick the doors into doing the lying and honest bit early. They still need to establish the rules of the game. Anything works if you wear the DM down long enough and roll high.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 NGL, you sound like an awful player for a DM to manage.
hilarious as always! 🚪 it open doors for me! 😆
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So how was Sarah wrong? If Jared made the puzzle, did he tell the doors what to do?
Sarah got the answer wrong and fell into an oubliette …
Hey.. at least Hoggle let her put 😂
They’re both lying for the whole setup
That still leads to a contradiction.
This is actually the best representation of this I've ever seen.
Wait.
THEY WERE LYING ABOUT NOT HAVING ARMS.
My One Question: “Do you want more out of life?”
They’re just doors, but their sentient. It’s gotta be boring staring at the same space every day. But doors can be taken off their hinges. Move that door to a moving structure or a popular tavern and suddenly their lives get a whole lot more interesting. I think a door would like the option for a change of scenery.
Plus, if I take them off their hinges I can just see through to the other side and not have to worry about choosing a door.
Kindness plus strategy equals life hacks.
In the normal way its setup, yeah, asking one door where the other would say it leads to would work.
However, as the npc stated, the logic starts going wonky if their conditions apply from the start. If one door says "One of us always lies":
- That door is telling the truth, and the other door is a liar.
- That door is lying, and both doors are liars.
- That door is lying, in that one or both of them don't always lie.
No matter which outcome it is, there's no solution and you shouldn't trust the doors at all. If the door that says "One of us always lies" is telling the truth, the door that says "One of us always tells the truth" is lying, making both doors liars, and the door that doesn't always tell the truth may lie only sometimes. If the door that says "One of us always lies" is lying, it could be that one door sometimes lies, making it impossible to solve the puzzle.
And THIS Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you do a Deconstruction and Reconstruction right!!!
Hardly.
There's 1:42 of my life I'm never getting back
IF.... You had a life.... 😂Badabummtjisss...
@@nungliansum I'm Dutch.. and you're not... 😀
AND ..I know how to spell "Properly"... 😁
1:18 I actually came to the same conclusion for my riddle. You can never trust that they always lie or always tell the truth without some external reason to believe so.
It took a lot of tweaking, but it's a pretty great riddle that went unsolved in the D&D oneshot I used it in, resulting in a close to lethal encounter.
For anyone wondering, here it is (and no, you haven't seen it before, they don't answer questions):
In this dark room, below the library, you see the glow of two magical barriers, each containing a fiendish creature. Behind these barriers, you see a set of five pedestals.
You notice writing inscribed on the wall: "Prove your intellect. Any fiend in this chamber that lies can only lie. Any that speaks the truth can only speak the truth."
The fiends introduce themselves as Ghann and Leewahr and speak the following:
Ghann: "Between the two of us, only I can tell the truth. Only he can lie."
Leewahr: "The opposite is true. Only I can tell the truth, while only he can lie."
Ghann: "You need to activate all but one pedestal."
Leewahr: "You need to activate only one pedestal."
Ghann: "Both pedestals right of the center should be in the same state."
Leewahr: "The center pedestal should not be activated."
Ghann & Leewahr: "The center pedestal should have a pedestal in a different state next to it."
If you wanna solve it, good luck. Lemme know your answer.
The last statement from each indicates that either they both tell the truth, both lie, or the rules are a lie. (Logic: X=X, therefore the 2 fiends have the same state)
The first statement from each means they must both be lying (as if they both tell the truth, then they are lying in that statement)
You must activate 0,2,3, or 5 pedestals (not 1 or activated.
The right 2 pedestals must be in a different state.
The center pedestal must be activated.
The center pedestal must have 0 or 2 in a different state next to it (not 1)
Possible solutions:
IIAIA
AIAIA
IAAAI
You cannot exclude any of these.
If the last statement had been "the center pedestal must have at least 1 in a different state next to it", then the only solution within the rules would be:
IAAAI
The natural conclusion to both sharing a statement is that both are liars. This means we must activate either 0, 2, 3, or 5 pedestals (1 and 4 excluded), the pedestals right of center should be in opposite states, and the center pedestal *should* be activated.
However, we reach an impasse when trying to evaluate the shared statement. It can be read as "The center pedestal should have (at least/exactly) one in a different state next to it." This ambiguity results in multiple valid solutions.
Interpreting it as "at least one," the only solution which satisfies all conditions is 01110 (0 = off, 1 = on), as the center's state must match the state of the two next to it. However, interpreting it as "exactly one" means the form X0101 is also a valid solution, where the state of X cannot be determined from the information provided.
As I assume the problem was meant to have only one solution, I would give my final answer as 01110, as the "exactly one" interpretation results in 3 valid solutions.
edit: Interestingly, this ambiguity actually allows the statement to be simultaneously true *and* false. If the truth-teller uses an implied "at least" and the liar uses an implied "exactly," it is both true and false if the center is different from *both* pedestals next to it. Fortunately, this does not lead to any additional valid solutions. If Leewahr is the liar, 4 pedestals must be activated, including the center, which is a contradiction with the final statement. If Ghann is the liar, you can only activate one pedestal, but it cannot be the center, which *also* contradicts the final statement. So we must assume that both are liars.
My logic is: If there are two, then there is one, and also another one. In my mind, I read "one in a different state" as a single subject. I believe from a linguistic viewpoint, this can be assumed unless otherwise specified.
Very fair point though, I'm not trying to limit the riddle's validity to linguists. I should rephrase it as "a pedestal". I dislike "at least one", because both are trying to make you believe there is only one to begin with.
Despite that, you both got it.
@@Marhathor one statement says "both pedestals next to the center pedestal", implying there are 2 next to the center.
Then, when a statement says “the center pedestal should have a pedestal…" the ‘a’ there could be ‘exactly 1’ or ‘at least 1’.
That inconsistency means we cannot conclude that 2 pedestals being in the opposing state makes the final statements a lie.
This is an important concept in logic - if the language is ambiguous, you cannot simply assume either meaning.
And those solutions only apply if the rules can be trusted.
@@Marhathor I'm not sure that fixes it. While changing "one" to "a" makes it more likely for someone to read it with an implied "at least," it doesn't remove the "exactly" reading from the possible readings of the statement.
To unambiguously rephrase "The center pedestal should have (at least) one in a different state next to it" without the use of "at least," you could say *"The center pedestal is not in the same state as both those next to it."*
Technically, this statement is still ambiguous in that it can mean either "both pedestals next to the center are in the same state, and the center is in a different state" (exactly two are different) or "the center is in a different state from at least one of the pedestals next to it" (at least one is different). But in this case, that ambiguity doesn't introduce any new solutions.
When negated, "The center pedestal is not in the same state as both those next to it" becomes "the center pedestal *is* in the same state as both those next to it." The two interpretations above become "the pedestals next to center are in the same state, and so is the center" (exactly two becomes exactly zero) and "the center pedestal is not in a different state to either of the pedestals next to it" (at least one becomes exactly zero). These sentences all say the same thing, so their meanings converge.
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Doors look like those judges wearing bench wigs.
I literally got so confused thinking about what they said in the first 5 seconds of the video that I had to pause and think about it for 5 more minutes.
The stuggles of a dungeon master - animated
- Well, at least we still have legs, the left door said, as they both wandered away.
You can ask one door "Can the other one speak?" and then whatever they say determines the rest. of course, it doesn't hurt to ask the other door as well just in case :)
So which door do you choose to walk through?
There’s a different version of this puzzle I got from a DnD book (don’t know it exists elsewhere): An animated statue of a king asks you to find and kill a Hag, but she has switched around the clothes and notable features of herself, a lying knight, and a devote cleric (also all statues). The knight always lies, the cleric always tells the truth, and the hag may lie or tell the truth. One in a white robe says “the one in the chainmail is the soldier”, one in a pinch hat says “the one in the white robe is the cleric”, and the one in the chainmail says “I’m the hag, kill me!”. Find the Hag!
Like writing down the riddle is a nice idea but... That's assuming every adventurer that comes *can* read.
"Oh wait, I can't read..." -Knuckles
80' Doctor Who, Labyrinth... Always loved this riddle.
The puzzle itself is pretty interesting (straight out of "The Labyrinth") because it shows a situation where someone could tell the truth but also be lying at the same time. For example, in the movie the girl asks one of the doors, "If I asked the other door which door was safe, what would they say?" (or something to that effect). If she's talking to the honest door then he would be quoting what the lying door would say, which is both a lie and a true statement. And the lying door would of course lie and say the opposite of what the honest door would really say. The trick is to do the *opposite* of what the answer is because the statement given by the door will be the lie not the truth. (In the movie she forgets to do that...)
This is funny to me for two reasons: I love the movie Labyrinth, and I also love The Magnus Archives, and only other fans of TMA will understand why this is funny to me 😂
In the old MUDD days of D&D, GMs had a response for game lawyers who tried tricks like this as a workaround for actually playing the game.
If 1 member of a party speaks, they will speak for the whole party.
You could only ask one question if that question was something like the video. The appropriate door would respond and both doors open to a short path that leads around to the other door.
The GM would explain that only correctly answering the question would trigger the magic that would open the path to whichever choice you made.
can stop being wholesome...FOR FIVE MINUTES!!!!
actually read this thing/concept once.
the solution is as follows:
"if you were the other guy, which door would you say grants me riches?"
1-truth guy: if I'm the other guy, I'd lie, and say it's the door that actually kills him.
2-lie guy: if I'm the other guy, I'd tell the truth; but, since I'm the lie guy, I'll lie and say it's the door that actually kills him.
in other words, both guys will have to point to the wrong door.
~and this, is the origin of "Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door; the leather club is two blocks down"
Thank you! This has been my problem with that puzzle for years. Why don't those puzzles ever have a sign or a third party to explain!
When Stanley came to a set of two open doors, he entered the door on his left.
Finally someone pointed out this inconsistency.
It's from the day that I saw Labyrinth that I'm "how could it be? They just didn't contradict each other and the one who "always lies" should have said "we both lie", instead".
"What will the other door not say when I ask the question which door is safe to enter?"
-Smart guy
Armed Doors ?? When will this arms escalation stop ??!!!
for those who want the actual answer to the riddle:
you ask “what would the other door/person say is the correct one?” and then pick the opposite
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The solution (without even watching this video): Ask both doors the same question: "Which door would you tell me is the door to my quest?" The honest door would tell you the truth. The lying door would tell a lie that contradicts the lie he would tell you; the two lies cancel each other out, leaving only the truth.
I mean, the one on the left didn’t tell the entire truth once. So that one I guess
This is the first time I see this Method be questioned in this manner it makes so much sense
The way the adventurer screams💀
Oh hey, I've thought about this exact thing. "One of us always lies," "And one always tells the truth." Both these statements, spoken by different guardians (who don't have to be the doors themselves), can't both be true. Either one of them _does_ always lie, in which case one of those two statements has to be false, and it can't be the one about always lying. Or one of them doesn't _always_ lie, but neither do they always tell the truth. Either way, you end up with one guardian that is capable of telling both lies and truth. The other guardian might be speaking truthfully. Or they might not.
That plaque would never work for an entirely different secondary reason. The Party never reads! XD
So like people have a misconception about the original riddle here. It does not necessarily mean that the truthful door is the correct door. There is one door which lies and one which tells the truth (or instead of doors we often have guards in some versions), and one door is safe while the other unsafe. The truthful one can also be the unsafe door. So you need to ask a SINGLE question which determines which door is safe, and not which door is truthful. But that's hard because you don't know which door is truthful and which is lying.
If you take guards, it's easier to understand - there are two guards, standing, and two ways before them. One guard always lies while the other always tells the truth, and you need to ask them the way. So there's no guarantee that if you find the truthful one, you find the right path (or door) because you only have ONE question to ask, and you just wasted that determining the truthful guard.
That question is to ask that "If I asked the other which door is UNsafe, what would he say?" The answer will be the safe door, always. Because if you ask this to the truthful guy, he'll say the safe door, because the OTHER in question, who is the liar, will tell you the safe door to be unsafe.
If you ask the liar, he knows that the OTHER, the truthful person, will pick the actually unsafe door, but since he always lies, he will tell you the opposite - the safe door.
So you ask that question, and get your way. There's no need to know which one is lying (there's numerous ways to do that by the way, but not the objective).
Yes, the critical component that makes any Knights and Knaves puzzle work is that at least one fact must be imparted to the participant from "outside the universe", so that they can be certain that it can be trusted to be true. Generally, this is some fact about a lower bound on the number of knights and / or knaves present.
If you go just by the riddle and assume that a door either always tells the truth or always lies, the only option would be that the first door tells the truth. In that case, we will have to understand the second door’s statement “the other lies” as “door 1 lies”.
My theory is they were both lying. Door 1: "One of us tells the truth." Door 2: "The other always lies." If door 1 was telling the truth then door 2 was telling the lie, but that would mean that it's a lie that one of them lies, which doesn't make sense. But if door 2 is telling the truth then door 1 is lying that one of them tells the truth which means that door 2 can't be telling the truth. They can't both be telling the truth because they both claim that only one of them is telling the truth. Ergo they both must be lying, door 1 that one of them is telling the truth and door 2 that only one of them is lying. Does that make sense? 😂
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For anyone that's actually interested in the answer to the puzzle, simply pick any door and ask them, "Would the other door claim that you lead to my quest?" If they say yes, then the right door is the other one, and if they say no, then the right door is them. This works because the question always gets filtered through both doors (the door you're talking to, and the response of the door's partner), and thus filtered through one truth and one lie. Therefore the answer will always be a lie and you can confidently pick the opposite.
what if the door that was telling the thruth killed you and the one who was telling lies let u pass ?
"ONE of us tells the truth" could translate to BOTH can tell some truths, with "The other ALWAYS lies" indicating that either of them SOMETIMES lie. So the best option would be to not go through either door.
The rhymes are INDEED good, as someone who loves rhymes.. the door did good work
Sounds like the second door was putting on some attitude after the adventurer challenged their setup lol
This is even better with the speech added! The scream after the adventurer went through the door was so unexpected.