Yo stop it with those nonsense... warrior team would have beaten bulls team on all finals... who is gonna stop kd curry iggy and klay.. stop it man with nonsense... bulls team would have been burried by 3 pionts all the time when they faced each other... by far warrior team 2017 are the best team of all decade
@Requiem Like I said 4 for 4. That was an old Spurs team. I don't worship Jordan. I rooted against him in every Final. It's just recognizing his greatness. I have watched both play and no athlete in a team sport was more dominant than Jordan other than maybe Gretzky.
So if Lebron was leading up until a certain game (such as the 2-1 lead against the 2015 Warriors), Jordan is put into that hypothetical starting from game 4, but if Lebron's losing 3-1 then Jordan isn't placed into game 5 but rather he starts from game 1? Smh, the disrespect and blatant bias. Just respect that they're both great, no need for comparison videos like this one
Also him being coached by the greatest coach ever doesn’t seem to have an impact or how for some reason James Worthy isn’t injured anymore in the finals.
Jordan wouldn’t even have a 2-1 lead in the finals because he’s never won anything without Horace Grant, and Scottie. Jordan’s Bulls didn’t even have a winning season until those two were drafted
He said that because he knows Jordan wouldn't have been able to overcome that 3-1 deficit. Lebron led every player in everything on both teams to pull that off. Jordan ain't doing that. In fact no player has ever done that in any playoff series of any length aside from Lebron James.
No MJ took his talent to minor league baseball and failed after burning out or quitting however you want to all it..Lmao imagine being a Quitter, not Once not Twice ......lmao
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 yes and the reason they lost had very little to do with the level of defense lebron was playing at because it was literally up to even his standards
This was definitely an interesting hypothetical, but your hand was heavy, heavy in favor of Jordan's ability to score and completely lacked interest in Lebron's other strengths.
@@xxmiltxx9037 And yet LeBron only averaged 2 more assists and 1 more rebound while being a mentally weak bitch. LeBron shoots 35% outside of layups and dunks. MJ is a better offensive player, defensive player and winner than LeBitch. There's no argument against those literal facts. Scoring titles and DPOY while LeBitch stopped playing defense and misses the Playoffs in his late prime.
@@xxmiltxx9037 coaching matters. Jordan pre Phil was 34 8 and 8. Phil told him to run and got better rebounders for him. So instead of crashing the boards he started to run for fast breaks.
I love this narrative that everyone has about Andre Igoudala that he's a "LeBron stopper." LeBron played without both Kyrie and Kevin Love for 5 of the 6 games in the Finals and averages more points, assists and rebounds than anyone in that finals series by a wide margin. It just baffles me to see such disrespect still put upon this man, after all that he has accomplished and will continue to accomplish for years to come.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq the reason he iggy got the finals mvp was because yea lebron avg 35.8 pts but he did it on 38% shooting. do you understand how bad that is how many shots you have to take to avg 35 on 38% shooting not to mention lebron at that time was usually around 52 to 55% from the field
That warriors team almost got beat by the rockets if CP3 didnt get injured in game 5, and it went Game 7. Its all about match up the 96 bulls or 93 Bulls are nightmare match up to 2017 warriors because both teams are all defensive specialist team, The 96 team is stacked with elite defenderds, while the 93 Bulls is younger and is bigger . Warriorsa is pretty small and if they try to play durant as C and PF its over, Kukoc and Rodman are great post and perimeter defender as Bif fuys and small ball, same with Horace Grant and Cartwright. Warriors live and die by 3's while Bulls is playing with dominance game plan
@@joeymanny ok i get your point and I think you are right. but the question isn't can mj bull93-96 beat the warriors17 . it's if you switch mj for lebron can they win ? the answer ... its a super close call, i personally dont think mj add the fire power to change the narrative.
@@joeymanny You're talking about 2018 Warriors. The year that LeBron had his best career playoffs and Kyrie left the team and he played with a bunch of scrubs. MJ ain't winning that series with those scrubs. Maybe with 96 bulls yea but not that with that Cavs team.
Jordan and Kyrie..not like Steph was killing Cleveland the 1st three times..lol..who would guard jordan under todays rule...he would be like Harden on steroids with freethrows..lol..@danzel...not saying he would win but to lose like that especailly passing the ball when Steph guarding you one on one..lol..Jordan would also play better defense..
@@denzeladams7449 what about him..the was there for the last 2 finals...he was not being guarded by Lebron, Lebron was not able to dominate his pisition either..KD outplayed him and they lost...steph was not great...so if lebron played some defense it might have bring different..the second year the warriors did not swep the playoffs only lebron in the finals...you guys are givinc lebron to much excuses for losing..
@@datguitarplayer1656 maybe but that's not the debate the debate is 93 Jordan on a modern Cavs or heat team and I'm sorry to say but the Heat plus Jordan equals 4 rings
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Which just isn’t happening. If others aren’t stepping up, you can’t force your team to a championship if the other team is greater than your own
Your crazy to think they'd win in 2014 and 2017 absolutely crazy!!2014 D wade a eraged 15 and 4 on 41 % shooting and Bosh was an absolute disappointment as well and Lebron played great individually in that series and they still lost by such a margin what could MJ have done other than score a couple of more points but then he would also dish out lesser assists and he would also shot lesser from the field and 3pt% then Lebron did in that series and 2017 is just crazy to think🤣💀
I think that ppl are forgetting that Lebron had to average more Min/Pts/Asts/Rebs/Stls/Blks than EVERYBODY on BOTH teams to beat that 2016 Warriors team. Let's say that u drop Jordan in there and he's averaging 35 per game. He's also doing less play making and he's grabbing less rebounds, meaning that teammates have fewer opportunities and the team is getting fewer possessions. Ppl don't appreciate how much Lebron actually does.
Lebron stans don't realize that Lebron's ball-dominant style marginalizes his teammates. He can't play offball so he dribbles the air out of the ball and then decides to pass or shoot at the last minute. Phil Jackson said this to Kobe (in his playing days) and Kobe said this to Lebron: "You have to do less so your teammates can do more." I'm sorry but Lebron doesn't make his teammates better. Everybody he plays with drops in numbers and despite being on the most talented roster from 2011-2016, the team always performs so bad compared to the talent level. Kobe said it best: Throwing your teammates the ball isn't making them better. Had Jordan been on that team, he'd let Kyrie go to work and lead the team on defense. Curry was already looking shaky that series, imagine adding a Jordan on defense. They wouldn't have even been down 3-1 to the 2016 warrios.
@@simple45679 Jordan's usage rates were just as high as Lebron's, often times more. Also, if u take a player who is a star player on a bad or even good team, ie Kyrie and he becomes the #2 ofcourse his numbers go down. Look at Pippen and Grant's #'s during 3peat 1 vs during Jordan's 1st absence, their numbers are better because they are the #1 #2 option now. Do u think Jordan made them worse? If ur answer is yes that would at least be consistent.
@@maviebaby Usage rate measures on how many plays in a team ENDS with a player, it does not take into account HOW LONG a player holds the ball. It takes into account shots, turnovers and drawing fouls which "end" a possession, note that this doesn't factor in passing. This means that as long as Lebron passes the ball away when he got nothing out of the possession, it isn't reflected in usage rate. I could go on but I recommend you to do your homework instead of spitting out stats you don't know the meaning of. (Just imagine how much Lebron has the ball when his usg% is close to Jordan and that doesn't take into account the times he passes the ball.) Everybody's stats on those Bulls teams got lower in the Triangle offense, EVEN Michael Jordan. Yes, Jordan's stats went down when he played for Phil Jackson. Am I gonna be stupid and say Pippen and Grant also made Jordan worse? Look up Jordan's stats in 84-88 vs 89-93, Jordan was just that great to still put up godly stats on a real system. See the difference?
@@simple45679 I forgot about that with the usage rate. Thanks for the clarification. I was wrong. Regarding the stats. I'm talking about the years leading up to Jordan's 1st exit; early to mid 90's. I'm not talking about Jordan pre and post triangle. The point I'm making is that if you join another great player and especially if your bot the 2nd option, ur numbers will go down. Unless the players are extremely complementary to one another.
The heat lost the second time to the Spurs because they was old and Wade was playing injured all season,and that Spurs team was the deepest team in the league all season so no MJ does not beat them with that team
Mj wouldn’t get locked up Kawhi and he would probably defend on both ends unlike Lebron. Pop strategy was similar to 2007 , make Lebron take jump shots so Lebron would fold , mj on the elite end would give hard time to Kawhi taking more jump shots so pop strategy wouldn’t work. Prime mj was more stronger and more athleticism so compared to slow, old spurs were, no one would’ve guarded mj. Dude is right heat wins in 6 games. You forgot mj doesnt need multiple all stars to win. He needs little help and regardless of injuries wade and bosh. Mj wouldve been better and won the series.
@@ankurkool171 false. And I can prove it. 2014 lebron averaged 28 4 and 7. Shot 51 percent from 3 and 57 percent from the field. Led the heat in everything but blocks. 1996 finals. Jordan averaged 27 5 and 4. 31 percent from 3. 41 percent from the field. Bulls win in 6. Heat loses in 5. LeBron obviously had the better series. The reason I compare the two is because kawhi is just as good as a defender as the glove if not better than him. LeBron performed better against him than jordan did against payton and still lost. Because he was facing a better team. And Gary Payton only guarded jordan the last 3 games of the series. His stats dropped significantly. Jordan averaged 31 points in the first three games on 46% field-goal shooting, including 50% on 3-pointers. In the final three games of the series, Payton held Jordan to 23.7 points per game on 36.7% field-goal shooting and 11.1% shooting on treys. Jordan also went from 2.3 turnovers per game to 3.7 after the switch was made. Game 4: 23 points, 6-19 FGs (31.6%), 0-2 3-pointers, four turnovers • Game 5: 26 points, 11-22 FGs (50%), 0-4 3-pointers, two turnovers • Game 6: 22 points, 5-19 FGs (26.3%), 1-3 3-pointers (33.3%), five turnovers Now imagine jordan is going against a defender of the same capabilities as the glove. He shot worst than LeBron did from the field and from 3. And averaged less points.rebounds and assists. So what he's going to magically win the series against a better team and a defender just as good as the glove and guarding him the entire series and not just 3 games?Spurs won 62 games. They had the best record in the league. They had four players in double figures. They shot 46 percent from 3 as a team. They were number 3 in defense. They had the best coach and system and they had the best defender in the league who went on to win dpoy 2015 and 2016. They broke the bulls record for fg percentage as a team at 52.8 percent, they shot 46.6 percent from 3 in the finals, they shot 72.8 percent in the first half of game 3. All while wade was putting up piss poor performances. They have entire articles about how bad wade played that series. The only person that showed up besides LeBron is pretty much Ray Allen and somewhat bosh. But how does a guy lead his team in everything but blocks and the loss still be his fault? How does a guy average 28 7 and 4, and shoot 57 percent from the field and 51 percent from 3 and the loss still be his fault? LeBron performances (points and fg percentage) games 1-5 are as follows. Game 1, 31 points on 52 percent shooting. Game 2 35 points on 63 percent shooting which is the only game the heat won and they only won by two if I'm not mistaken. Game 3 22 on 64 percent shooting. Game 4 28 on 58 percent shooting. Game 5 31 on 47 percent shooting. Wade averaged 15 a game. We call LeBron out for choking in 2011 and averaging 17 points and scoring 8 points in a game but when LeBron teammate doesn't show up and he does we still scrutinize LeBron instead. Instead of realizing basketball is a team sport and realizing one man cannot beat a team. We blame the loss entirely on him even tho he was the best player on both teams and performed like it. Wade game 1 2014 finals 19 points on 8 of 18 shooting or 44 percent shooting. Game 2 14 on 5 of 9 shooting. Game 3 he tied LeBron for 22 on 8 of 12 shooting and was his highest scoring game. Game 4 he had 10 on 3 of 13 shooting and game 5 he had a whopping 11 points on a measly 4 of 12 shooting. This is called context. All while LeBron was being hounded on defense by kawhi and the spurs had a record breaking finals. and not to add the fact that the one game the heat won LeBron had his best game of the series on the best field goal percentage. 35 on 63 percent shooting, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 10 rebounds, shot 3 of 3 from 3 so 100 percent from 3, and the heat only won by 2. 98-96. Let that sink in.
@@ankurkool171 go to school before you try to tell me something incorrect. Like you got shit on your phone to correct that shit how you mess up that bad.
You completely lost me at the 2015 analysis. Your bias is so obvious that there's no point watching further. 1. MJ would never have taken 2007 Cleveland to the finals 2. Dirk Nowitzki is considered by many top-5 power forwards of all times, so show a little respect. 3. At 2015's , LbJ was a single all-star in the cavs and had too much to process by himself. Under MJ they would've caved even sooner. 4. Comparing Tristan, Smith, Dellavedova and Shumpert to Pippen, Rodman, kukoc and Kerr is clinically borderline insane. 5. Other than Wade & Bosh, who exactly were the other players in the roster? I could look them up, but it's funny that their names never come up when talking about 2012/2013 Heat. Could MJ push them to excellence like LbJ did? Highly questionable. 6. You completely ignore the fact that MJ's bulls were led by the hands-down greatest coach in the history of the game. Only Red Auerbach could pose any competition to Phil Jackson (and would still lose by a landslide). 7. You completely ignored the fact that MJ was never put under the microscope the way that LbJ constantly was (and still is). This puts a tremendous mental pressure on a player. And still LbJ delivers and only caved in once. In all of the above you're taking only scoring into account and disregarding both players' impact on improving their team-mates and managing the game. You're also ignoring field-goal percentages, where misses and failed offensive-rebounds don't count against turnovers. *Pippen:* "Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game, but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game, because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved."
What y'all failing to realize is LeBron in his prime has Pippen and Horce Grant. Then gets Pippen and Rodman. Nobody in any era is beating a team with LeBron and Pippen at the wing.
Just say you are a MJ fan. Either that or you don’t watch basketball. Magic dropped a triple piece on Jordan when he tried to guard him . There is no way in hell he guarding KD
7:04 nuh uh uh u gotta take Into account LeBron was dealing with heat cramps in game 1 and guarded by Kawhi (even tho he still averaged 28 lmao) so u gotta give Jordan the same weakness
He’s tailoring his argument to fit Jordan smh. Lebrons defense wouldn’t have declined with the bulls because he had teammates to pick up slack in other areas. Jordan would have had to rebound and assist more in order to make those games close so that he could close. Tbh if those cavalier teams had Jordan whose to say they even make it to the finals lol. He did have some early round exits before winning those six lol
@@renaldideallfordii6047 Yeah not to mention 7+ consecutive trips to the finals starts to wear on you. You give Lebron a year or two off between finals stints and his defense doesnt slip an inch. Plus Lebron always elevates his defense when playing with defensive minded teammates. Look at his first finals with, look at his years in miami, look at him next to AD in LA (yes that is after this video was made but still). On a team with a defensive priority, with a teammate(s) that help anchor the D he becomes a force multiplier and helps that defensive become top of the league.
First of all, you totally disregard that it was actually Pippen that guarded Magic in that first finals and that Worthy got hurt. Its no way the Lakers beat the Bulls with LeBron on that team.. Utah series even with LeBron declining still had two of the greatest defensive players in the history of the nba with Pippen and Rodman. Not to mention a 6'6 PG in Ron Harper that could play defense. What you're failing to realize is that LeBron wouldn't have to do as much because Pippen handled the ball while also being an elite defender.... On the flip side, Jordan doesn't make it to the finals with the 07 Cavs nor the 2018 Cavs. No way the Cavs beat the Kevin Durant Warriors. Jordan take Durant out the game, who the hell guardian Klay? So in my opinion yea. The Jordan would have beaten the Mavs and the warriors being up 2-1... But Jordan record would either be 6-3 or possibly 5-4. That Spurs team was no joke, Wade knees went bad and Bosh back was about done.... That second 3 peat Bulls would of been PG Harper 6'6, SG Pippen 6'8 SF Lebron 6'9 PF Rodman at 6'10 and C Lonely 7'0. No way the Jazz, sonics or any team in NBA history has a shot against that line up
@@fauzan_hr with Ron Harper at 6'6, Lebron at 6'8, Pippen at 6'8, Rodman at 6'10 and Lonely at 7'0. No way a team was beating them. To much size. Lebron and Karl Malone is the same size who guarding Lebron
I agreed with all your predictions until you stated that Jordan’s 2017 hypothetical cavs would defeat the 2017 warriors. While I agree that Jordan could lockdown Kevin Durant much better than Beverly, you can’t task him with that the entire game let alone a series. Doing so would significantly reduce Jordan’s production on offense where he has responsibilities unlike Beverly. Also let’s not forget, there is only 1 player on that cavs roster that would be able to guard Durant. That player would obviously be Jordan. On the 2017 warriors, there are 4 different defenders that could guard Jordan. Draymond Green, Klay, Durant, and Iguodala can all be assigned that defensive task. Obviously Jordan would have it his way against all 4 of them but the bottom line is he would be forced to see 4 different defenders every game. This allows Durant to rest on the defensive end and conserve energy for offense whenever it is needed. Unfortunately, that option would not be available for Jordan if he’s forced to defend Durant for 48 minutes. The 2017 warriors were way too deep. If the gameplan like u suggested consisted entirely of Jordan defending Durant for 48 minutes while creating opportunities for himself and his teammates on the offensive end, then you’re basically asking Jordan to do everything. I don’t care how great you are. You don’t win championships that way. I’m not trying to argue that LeBron is greater but u just sound like another one of those Jordan dickriders.
Prime Jordan is the best perimeter defender. He would slow down KD. Plus MJ was able to guard Magic pretty well and he only became a better defender in the next few years after he gained some muscle mass.
What? Prime MJ is arguably the greatest guard/perimeter defender of All-Time. MJ guarded the best players while being responsible for 50%+ of the Bulls offense every night! Nobody has ever won MORE with less...
It's facts that Jordan's defense was crazy..but it was mainly in the halfcourt against slow pace teams...guarding kd in a fast past game like today's would significantly take more energy than guarding decent guards from back then in a slow paced game..I think that's slept on
@@Mptappin12 Jordan has 9 years with 82 games played, two seasons with 80 ane 81 played. He was injured in his second year and only played 18 games. When he come out of retirement the first time it was at the end of the season so that's another he would have played 82. Then there's his wizard years he played 60 in his second to last and 82 games in his last year. Lebron has only played over 80 games in season 3 times. Pussy management as they say.
@@user-ko3sd9qj2h wow so you gave me all that in the conclusion you came to was not because he was injured its load management, despite never really being that injured
Let's look at the Jordan more realistically. 1. 2007 vs. Spurs. Agreed with the analysis, the Spurs were awesome and the Cavs would have no one except Jordan. 0-1. 2. 2011 vs. Mavs. Agreed with analysis in general. Though no thought is given to how Jordan and Wade play on the same court. 1-1. 3. 2012 vs. Thunder. Playing against a young team still gelling with a Heat squad that's got more depth. Jordan takes this one. 2-1. 4. 2013 vs. Spurs. Jordan is playing baseball and doesn't make an appearance. 2-1 with 1 no-show. 5. 2014 vs. Spurs. Lebron was the only Heat player to show up that blowout series. Jordan can't beat the Spurs by himself after playing baseball most of the year. 2-2 with 1 no-show. 6. 2015 vs. Warriors. Jordan can't beat the Warriors all by himself with Irving and Lowe out. 2-3 with 1 no-show. 7. 2016 vs. Warriors. Jordan's back at full strength against the best regular season team ever. The Cavs would still be underdogs, but I'll give him this one. 3-3 with 1 no-show. 8. 2017 vs. Warriors. These Warriors might be the best team of all-time. Jordan doesn't make a difference. 3-4 with 1 no-show. 9. 2018 vs. Warriors. No Kyrie and a Warriors team that can't be stopped. 3-5 with 1 no-show. 10. 2020 vs. Heat. Jordan has been retired for 2 years. 3-5 with 2 no-shows. Final record 3-5 with 2 no-shows and honestly, I don't think there's even one mildly controversial take on the list. Giving Jordan a win against the 2016 Warriors was actually a gift as Lebron had one of the best ever Finals that season and it's far from a given that Jordan manages to equal it. Honestly, I gave it to him just so I couldn't be accused of bias. The actual likely record might well be 2-6.
@@phong4396 Thought that was the biggest no-brainer of all. Jordan was AWOL for his 10th season. The video just kinda wished that away. For what it's worth, I'm not sure Jordan does get the ring in 2013 even if he does show up. I didn't really get into it because Jordan's retirement made the whole discussion moot, but Lebron was a better fit playing alongside Wade for the simple fact that he plays a different position and game than Wade. Putting Jordan and Wade together would have been like swapping out Pippen for Drexler on the Bulls. Having Jordan and not-as-good Jordan on the same team means someone would have to make a major adjustment to their game to make it work. And Lebron played very well that series and the Spurs still nearly won.
Death nope But advance stats wise Lebron and MJ are equal! Like their PER and dominance is close! So technically Mj would get a similar fate or worse because Jordan year 14 or 15 was trash compared to his former self or Lebron year 15! So he probably would not have been able to do half of what Lebron did to make it possible to even win a game aka run the offense, score and rebound! Wizard Jordan could not even make the playoff or score 25 ppg average!
TheManloc 1. Jordan was 40yrs old in the Wizard’s team (with no all stars). It’s stupid to hold him accountable. 2. Jordan sacrificed a lot of stat padding opportunities for the triangle offense. 3. Lebron got himself swept damn too many times in his prime (while having 2 all stars on his team), I’m sorry, but there no proof of MJ getting swept by the GSW & Spurs like that in his prime. 4. Lebron may not have the best team in the NBA when he was with the Cavs, but he sure shit had the 2nd best super team to help him. 5.No one calls the 2019-2020 lakers a super team, why? because it doesn’t have two all stars. That’s the type of team MJ had. Put 2012 - 2018 Lebron on MJ’s bulls, he’d trade everyone on that team for star power.
Death 1. He was 40 so you are right 2. No he didn’t as Phil Jackson and Jordan say he would stray away from the triangle offense as the game continued. 3. If 37.1 Jordan is getting swept and MVP Jordan is getting gentlemen swept in 87 and 88 he’s going to get swept by these teams and at the time of the sweeps LeBron was 22 and 33 maybe 33 you have a point but 22 are you serious that was his prime? There’s also no account of Jordan doing anything when the all nba and all defensive teammates were not in his favored. In laymen term, when he had the worse teammates he never bested anyone. 4. If anything Lebron had the second best cast for a year against the best, the best which was designed to beat Lebrons team. And when you are the second best by a large margin there’s no comic book ending where you win regardless of the foe. 5. You are right Put Jordan on these teams and he gets 2 realistically 3 at best Put Lebron on these teams where his leadership isn’t questioned then I don’t see why he won’t win all 6. Scottie’s contributions are highly downplayed until you watch the games he’s not better than Jordan but he is better than the best player on the other side of the court more times than not.
@@MrSlashblade lol..Lebron has had terrible performances. 2007..2011..Jordan never had those..he is going to perform better with the bulls which is a defensive team and he does not play defense...Jordans might lose to GS but not Mavs..Lebron cannot win without another 24 ppg scorer in the finals..have you watched his finals he went to 9 so you know he,needs a scorer with him to win especially when games are tight due to his,poor free throw shooting..😂😂😂
Lebron went to a new team: Straight up finals Lebron's previous team: went last place in the confrence Jordan went to a new team: couldnt even go near the play offs Bulls when jordan retires in 93 : went to the play offs ALL FACTS
getting to the playoffs is easier than making a playoff team into a championship team though. plus the fact that the east were the leastern conference and that he played in superteams against sorry ass teams in the east. with that being said, how can you explain then how Lebron makes his teammates better if they suck without him? this is easy to explain though because wherever LeBron goes, he was their system, very heliocentric. without lebron it turns into shit. just like steve nash in the d'antoni system. their offense is very reliant on one player while MJ played in a system called the triangle offense. Without Jordan, his teammates can still operate the triangle offense. Triangle offense is a basketball offense where they play team ball. MJ may shoot more than others in this system but he doesnt dominate the ball like LeBron, Harden, Nash or Luka does. he does multiple things like pick and roll, post ups, moves off the ball or cutting. Unlike the heliocentric offense in Lebron and D'Antoni system where the guy mostly does it all on offense.
LeBron didn't just score, rebound, and assist the ball in those finals he lost. He also DEFENDED extremely well, much like Jordan would, and doubled as a shotblocking threat as well as a passing lane disruptor. It's not something you can just slide Jordan into the place of and magically achieve better results, because LeBron was always a great playoff defender.
Maybe the bulls would beat the warriors, but mj with the cavs? Neveeeer bro And why u going with a same 2-1 lead in the 2015 finals series, and not with a 1-3 in 2016? I think jordan would be 0-4 against the warriors. And also i cant see jordan beat the spurs 2014. But i give u that that jordan would beat the mavs.
I think it's fair to say Jordan would've won in 2011 but yea people are definitely Jordan biased or Lebron haters if they give him 07 or 15 with costars Booby Gibson and Dellavedova or vs the KD joins 73 win Warriors while Cavs roster adds only Kyle korver then loses Kyrie. The Bulls roster may have won 1 but not Cavs with Jordan. 2014 is the other somewhat reasonable year to say Jordan may get but it's a team sport and the Spurs were great 2013 and got even better 2014 , while Lebrons teammates all looked like they had nothing left in the tank due to age and the 4 year run taking its toll physically.
If LBJ was in MJ shoes he would definitely kick LAL ass with a broken magic but would definitely lose to Sir Chuck because he cannot bully this dude. In summary, I say MJ gets 5 rings because he wouldn't have beaten GSW the first, third or fourth time they meet and LBJ gets 5, losing only to the Suns.
Bro this dude isn't even close to old enough but to watch mj on RUclips. And I guarantee this dude has never sat and watched a full MJ game. MJ is on another level from LeBron .LeBron is great but he isn't no Jordan y'all need to stop lmao 😂
Jordan’s winner mentality has nothing to do with the outcome of these finals, don’t use that as part of the reason why you think he wouldn’t blow a lead, etc... I think the 2014 Spurs would’ve won. Wade’s knees were breaking down, they were shooting like 60% from 3, Kawhi did a decent job at guarding Lebron (I think he would’ve done a better job gaurding a 6’6 slender guard like Jordan) , Bosh did almost nothing, Ray Allen was in his last season but that’s debatable... I don’t think MJ would beat the Warriors in 2015 either... You’re forgetting that LeBron had to rebound (which he does better than MJ) , distribute (which he does way better than MJ) and score at an elite level with Iggy hounding him on defense. I don’t think MJ can do the same at LeBron’s level. In this hypothetical, you not only have to put MJ in LeBron’s shoes, you also have to figure out if MJ’s style of play would be an improvement to LeBron’s in that series. And to that, I say no... 2017? 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 ing heavy! I highly doubt MJ could last more than 6 Games with the Big 4 Warriors. No one in the world is stopping Durant. If MJ tried guarding 6’11 KD, at 34 for most possessions, that would probably hinder his offense. I only see Jordan winning 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016.
@@hectorrosado5807 It doesn’t matter what you believe really. Basketball is a team sport, the fact is LeBron averaged 38.5, 8.3, 8.0, 1.2, 1.2 on 59.1% TS. Not too sure what else you expected from him individually from that series despite your doubts whether MJ could win or not. Hell, if I had just known about LeBron’s playoff performances post his Miami days, I’d find it hard to believe he lost the the Magic as well. The primary reason why they lost that series anyway was because no one on the Cavs could stop Dwight Howard and the Cavs did a horrible job defending 3’s from the Magic.
@@OddWilliam17 base on your point of view it doesn't matter what you believe either. However, the fact point out that in that series both teams were balance, no team was way better than the other. Its also a fact thalt Jordan never lost against a team that was considered inferior like Lebron lost against the Mavs wish the heat were favorite to win, but lost. By the way, Jason Terry played better than Lebron. I think you have heard that before. Right ?
@@hectorrosado5807 I think the Magic ran a bit deeper than the Cavs and they had better coaching but hey, if that’s you’re opinion then we can agree to disagree. Also, it seems you failed to see the end of my comment. I clearly stated that I see Jordan winning in 2011 if he was playing for the Heat instead of LeBron for the mere fact that 1) I don’t think Jordan would’ve underperformed the way Bron had and 2) Jordan honestly fits a lot better next to Wade than Bron did as Jordan could’ve been utilized off ball a lot more while Brons value is waaaay higher as an on ball engine. Wade and Bron both weren’t as valuable without the ball in their hands. What we’re debating about right now has nothing to do with the collapse in 2011 because 1) LeBron played amazing in 2009 so I have no idea where this fits in and 2) I clearly give the championship to Jordan in 2011, but I disagree with the rest of the chips.
Why is he biased? Lebron had 9 finals, he lost finals that were percieved as guaranteed wins. Michael Jordan was not losing easy finals, nor hard ones.
So basically, MJ won whatever LBJ lost and whatever LBJ won. You made too much of bold assumptions on MJ‘s mentality and scoring ability while intentionally eliminating the uncertainty that might hinder the final success. Everyone knows LBJ historically faced tougher team, but it’s not exemplified in your video. Most importantly you ignored how enduring LBJ’s body is. That’s one of his strongest points!!! I give you credit for making the vid, but the hypothetical comparison is not as fair as it sounds
姜皓元 Maybe he gave MJ too much Credit, but I can totally see LeBron losing that fist and Last finals due to inexperience and age. Also MJ probably only gets 5 rings in LBJs finals, the heat ones and 1 warriors one.
Jordan faces all the hard teams, lebron faces easy teams, 90;s teams where hard defencive skilled teams, u not going through them easy, the teams of this era is easy bcuz there is no defence eny more, so its easy to run up and shoot, this league now days os joke compare to the 90's u talking shit
Bro Jordan loses that against that spurs team the third time around cuz if we bring real the reason y lebron and the heat lost was because besides lebron no one else was good wade was avg 13 on 42% shooting and that was the only other player in double figures every one else was avg less then 10 points while lebron was avg 28 8 7 jordan loses that finals easily especially with the amazing shooting from the spurs that year
@you scooper u mean too much credit given to lebron with his big coward self, 9 finals 3 wins and barely win those 3, passing up the ball so much in the 4th quarter, and u say he is the greateat, kmt, far too much credit for this clown, jordan the greatest of them all deserve all credit, never being to a finals and lost, as jamaicans would say, some bwoy a bombocloth stats padder
@@BoringPhonger okay but it still took LeBron having to lead both teams in all major stats (PTS, RBDS, AST, STLS, BLKS). Not just being the best mid range shooter and locking down one guy. Still took him having IQ in regards to making the right play offensively and defensively
@@BoringPhonger because the other teams are better. You can’t convince me that because “Jordan best scorer and defender and killer mentality so Jordan no lose” is why he would beat the 14 Spurs 15, 17, 18 GSW
Bruh I was with u a part of the way but I had to call BS. There us no way mk beating the warriors or his first finals appearance. Plus lbj would beat the lakers tf u talking bout. Plus I see u take every event and record that happened in this timeline with lbj losing to the spurs and mavs and put bron in Jordan era with those same feelings that he experienced in his. That makes no sense it like time travel which it is, if they switch out ones and attitudes will be different so lbj and jordan will have different minds. Plus u said mj would beat the spurs cuz pop turned bron to a jump shooter. Like tf pop would obviously come up with a plan fr jordan and force him to drive or sum and again Jordan in an era where 3's be flying again idk how he beat warriors. But lbj in jordan era will bully everyone plus back then there was no zone defense bro. Players couldn't switch and double team so bron would dominate bro tf🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ u gotta take these narratives into mind. Jordan would get double teamed. 3's would be flying like crazy forcing him to do the same as bron cuz he gotta mk up fr the points difference and would be forced to drive and if he did uk what be coming that's all I gotta say tho🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I agree with you, strange take from him, obviously it's his opinion, but it is wrong. The mentalities of both players would be different+they would be coached in a different ways.
@@skylancer4999 exactly. That part triggered me bout his video plus in the finals with bron allegation was going round bout his mom and shit so the man wasnt locked in.
@shaquan. Look man. The deal here is what you said. Maybe just maybe the mentality would be different if the grew up in different eras. But yes hypothetically if Jordan has his same mentality and lbj with the same mj would have alot more success than bron and bron less than mj. I have never seen a player dominate and be so tactical like mj. Not even kobe. Bron don't have the mentality to be flying around on top of every one like you think in the 80s and 90s. They weren't as soft. I'll tell you what. Go see the last 5 min game 6 of the 98 finals. And if you ever seen bron close a game like that. Than let me know. I'm not talking about final numbers. Just the last 5 min.
Double teaming was allowed, as was switching off of screens. What wasn't allowed was showing to the ball, or "Half-n-half", where you are in between both your man and the ball handler. Especially the Simmons sag would've been illegal.
realistically, mj loses 2014, bosh, wade and allen weren’t really there, and the spurs played great team basketball. mj also loses 2015 without kyrie and kevin love. he loses 2016 against the 73-9 warriors. and loses 2017 especially because of KD.
I'm sorry but they would not win the 2017 warriors sure kd would have trouble but he cant guard kd, curry, and klay. He cant guard 3 people mj is the goat but no
@@Jay_dracoi guarantee you MJ IMPACT WILL BE more pronounce in the defensive end. MJ is a diaruptive PERIMETER DEFENDER, he plays the passing lanes extremely well, warriors cant jusr pass the ball around like they always did when they up against a team.with someone like jordan. Plus kevin love will surely be used as a POST UP THREAT if he played with MJ, LOVE was great with the wolves because of his post game, bron turned him into a SPOT UP SHOOTER LOL. I SAY CAS have a pretty good chance, considering those warriors WENT to GAME 7 AGAINST THE ROCKETS
@@realitybites629 are u dumb they set screens u dumbass and Mj would've been chasing klay or curry on screens he would've got tired and even if he gaurded Durant he gonna score with no effort same with curry and klay just shoot over them like they would just do and Jordan can be stopped put Draymond green or Andre iguodala on him
@@mottofakkushite9817 lol, phil said jordan can break through any screens when it comea to defense when he was asked about the difference between MJ and kobe. Rodman, harper, pippen and jordan are virtually the same length ang athleticism and add kukoc who was a 6'11" pointguard lol
@@iBEEnHEREtoo I mean, he kinda really won 6 straight in actuality. When he came back midseason from retirement, he was rusty. Once the rust was off, it was back to business. MJ is GOAT.
@@puruman1890 Jordan will loose to spurs? I can't take you serious Even kobe in "Miami" won't lose to spurs (2014) nor Dallas(2011) nor GSW(2015) maybe might even win 2017
You aren't even analyzing the series at all to what would truly happen. For example, as good as Jordan was, the Warriors would have likely won all 4 series if it was Jordan instead of LeBron on that Cavs team. What you're failing to realize is the most important differences between the two players mean. LeBron is a better all around player than MJ, and at his size he was responsible for nearly everything that the Cavs did those years that wasn't an iso play for Kyrie. Jordan was the most elite scorer in NBA history outside of prime Wilt, but he was also a lean 6'6" SG. He couldn't play the 1-5 role that LeBron did. What you're most ignorant in ignoring in that rivalry that would be important in that loss of size would mean is that Iguodala was not the Warriors best defender, just the best matchup for LeBron. The best perimeter defender on that team by far was Klay, and he's the perfect size to match up against MJ. MJ absolutely excelled in the triangle, but it's a different story when you're expected to be the everything in the offense. When he played, Kyrie did give offense, but that was about it. Jordan would have to be able to replicate the playmaking ability that LeBron did, because Kyrie is not a true PG.
To anyone saying Jordan couldn't beat the warriors, consider these points: 1) The Rockets took a KD lead warriors to 7 GAMES, and lost because CP3 got injured. 2) NO HAND CHECKING !!! How much points you think MJ can score if you can't HAND CHECK him?? The dude averaged 41 PPG in the 1992-93 finals. This is an era where scoring wasn't as fluid as it is today. LeBron's highest finals was 35 PPG, and that was in 2015 with no Kyrie or K-Love. So Jordan in 2015-2018 could easily average way more than 41 PPG, since he did it in a tougher defensive era. 3) Don't under estimate Jordan's defense. LeBron was NOT guarding KD at all during the Warriors finals. KD was being guarded by bench players. If MJ was guarding KD, I'm sure it would have an effect. 4) The Warriors' perimeter defense will be null because Jordan isn't looking for the open 3 pointer like LeBron always was. Jordan will be constantly attacking the basket and using his near unguardable fadeaway mid-range shot.
You say that Jordan would score a ton and I agree, but the same story with guys like lebron and harden: they can score all they want but it’s their teammates that gotta step up to get a win. I would say Jordan can out score curry, but can kyrie our score KD, can love out score Draymond or iggy. The warriors have more depth so they would prevail
@@chrisrolen3345 True. They forgot the fact that, when Jordan dropped 63 on Celtics, Bulls lost that game. When he averaged 43 points, Bulls got swept. When he averaged 31, Bulls won the title. He wasnt doing it alone, he couldnt do it alone
Cool Waters 1) the rockets were built completely different from Cleveland. For one they could actually hit their average % in that series. 2) I’m glad to tell you Lebron didn’t win because he was this 40 point scorer but because he was all around. For Jordan to win not only would he have to average 43 points in 2017 series he still has to generate 10 assist which is probably around of 23 points per game off of his teammates. So Jordan essentially has to be responsible for 66 points in order to beat this warriors team who beat the cavs by an average of 14 points. Now can you see Jordan putting up at minimum 33 points and 14 assist? Because that’s what’s going to be needed to beat this warriors team. 3) if anything you are underestimating KD offense and forgetting one thing Jordan sucked at guarding guys bigger than him. From magic to hill to Barkley Jordan got thrashed if you had physical advantage over him. 4) is the dumbest Jordan will null the perimeter defender because he’s not shooting 3? That will makes defending him fucking easy. Zone and man hybrid defense will not allow him to operate from mid range unless he’s going to use two pick and rolls inside the three. That will make the offense predictable and limited especially since illegal defense doesn’t exist and you can have multiple bodies defending the paint away from the p/r making him that much more easier to guard. And his fade away came from the post, where the fuck will he have the space to just pull that off.
@@boogy1033 KD gets guarded by pippen, allay gets guarded by Harper and Steph gets guarded by mike. Worst case scenario pip and mike switch. Who’s guarding mike and pippen?
People will just say anything to throw shade at LeBron. MJ is NOT beating the Warriors with that Cavs team. The one series I would most definitely give MJ, that LeBron lost, is the one against the Mavericks. MJ was confident in himself, that he was that guy. LeBron was not fully there yet. He became the player we know him as later on, a complete player. However, no one was beating that Warriors team. Even without KD, that would be a REALLY tough assignment.
I think the bias being exposed is yours. You Warriors fans always have an excuse. And where are the Warriors now. 🤔 You have no concept of MJ and the Bulls team he lead. You have no idea how formidable they were. All you guys have is a media hyped Lebron. Who the media makes every excuse for. And a here they come there the go Warriors team (gone). Really?👍OK
Interesting idea, but I think Jordan wouldn't have beaten GS without Kyrie. Lebron on the other hand, would have had a harder time than you mentioned in my opinion vs the suns, sonics and jazz simply because of th forwards those teams had. Barkley, Kemp and Malone were all forwards. Interesting idea though. Can't agree with everything but it doesn't make it a bad idea.
One thing this video failed to do was to put them in their right position on the other teams. That changes the each teams starters and rotation enough to be a factor for better or worse. Example, with Lebron being a small forward, would Pippen still start?
You do realize Lebron's offense hurts other players stats, right? Why do you think Lebron's teams are always in the bottom 10 in the league in assists? Lebron gets a lot of assists at the expense of team ball movement. He doesnt run an equal opportunity offense, its why players like Bosh and Love look like shells of their former selves playing with Lebron. Lebron's Cavs averaged 21 assists to the Warrior's 29 and MJ's Bull's 28. Jordan was once asked to play PG for 5 games at the end of the 1989 season. He averaged 31 points, 11 assists and 9 rebounds, recorded 12 triple doubles in 25 games including 7 consecutively. He also averaged 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals - more than Lebron has ever averaged in a playoff series, let alone a finals series. So no, your analysis misses the mark. MJ proved he could play the point, he just chose not to. His abilities were better put to use fighting off ball to get open and to score the basketball.
@@Youngster543210 yeah he can play point because he was a great basketball player but there was a reason pippen ran the offense and mj didn't. He played point for 5 games. Not nearly his entire career.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd No they look like shells because they went from playing in an equal opportunity offense to playinh in Lebron's drive/kick system. They are required to get out of the paint to draw defenders to the perimeter so Levron can have an easy drive to the basket. They're essentially glorified role players. Both Bosh and K. Love have spoke in detail about it.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Novody really "ran" the offense on those Bull's teams. Pippen facilitated more often but the entire team moved the ball around the triangle. MJ was called upon to do the bulk of the scoring because he's the greatest scorer in the history of the game. Scottie wasn't the scorer MJ was so naturally he spent more time passing the ball to MJ while MJ fought off ball to get open rather than vice versa. I literally talked about MJ playing PG for 25 straight games in my first comment on here. He averaged 31/9/11.
Agreed my thoughts too. 4-5 is realistic. He takes Ls in 2007, 2015, 2017,2018. Those are definite and I also think he could have difficulty with the 2014 Spurs or the 2016 warriors and either of those could be a potential 5th L. I have him winning 2011-2013 for sure and maybe taking 2014 Spurs or 2016 Warriors but not both. Putting him at 4-5.
This was interestingly dumb, I was giving it a chance in the beginning but he became clearly bias when he had Jordan beating the 2017 warriors and even worst when it was Lebrons turn to play with the bulls smh.....too bad could have been a good video.
The problem is when you idiots think of MJ you don't think of the bulls. Steph, KD and Klay would've been terrorized by Rodman, Pippen, and Harper. Not to mention TK you young bummy ass clowns
@@SPLASHGOD575 you clearly missed the whole point of the video. In this video it's Lebron that has Pippen, Harper and Rodman. Jordan has Wade and Bosh etc
Idc if he is michael freaking jordan, they'd no way in HELL he beats that KD warriors team. You're asking 34 year old Jordan to guard a 7ft sniper. And if he's on the cavs, who's guarding Steph? Klay? "Like pat bev got into KD's head" you mean when he got a 50 piece McNugget with no bev? Come on, there are times when even being as great as Jordan would NOT be enough. Kyrie and Love aren't great defenders, if MJ has to expend all his time and energy trying to stifle the most versatile offensive weapon EVER, who's covering the two greatest and quickest shooters EVER? Besides that, I can see MJ getting the others. But I do think him over the KD warriors is too out of the realm of possibility
This is old and the one constant is this. A losing side will always make excuses, or use intangibles that do not pertain to facts. Like LBJ lead a bunch of no bodies blah, blah, blah! As if that argument holds up to any kind of logical, serious, intelligent, scrutiny. MJ is so great because of the players he had and coach. But when Lebron loses he has awful players. That demonstrates a person who is not capable of logical thinking. And one who has been dumbed down by the media influence. You're saying that Lebron is greater than the team which is asinine. Unless Lebron can win all by himself which is impossible. MJ is greater because of one reason and one reason only and he has said it on a few occasions. He wanted to be the best. He wanted to beat the best because he is a competitor! Lebron goes out and competes because that is the very essence of sports but he is not a COMPETITOR! This is why you Lebron fans will lose all day every day because you fail to grasp that one concept. And for good measure let me educate those who like to manipulate stats. FYI and a study was done analytically also which proves Jordan was superior to Lebron. Hell Kobe was better than Lebron! Michael Jordan in one season (1988).... 1. NBA MVP 2. NBA ALL STAR 3. ALL STAR MVP 4. ALL NBA FIRST-TEAM 5. NBA DEFENSIVE P.O.Y 6. NBA SCORING CHAMPION 7. NBA STEALS LEADER 8. NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPION 9. NBA ALL DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM NBA Championships LJ - 3 Titles MJ - 6 Titles Championship MVPs LeBron James 3 - 3 championship MVPs Michael Jordan 6 - 6 championship MVPs Scoring Leader LJ - 1 MJ - 10 Led the league in steals LJ - 0 MJ - 3 All Defensive Team LJ - 6 MJ - 9 All Defensive 1st Team LJ - 5 MJ - 9 Season MVP LJ - 4 MJ - 5 Remember Jordan played 3 years of college ball versus Lebron coming straight into the league.
@Sean Aric ... nah i dont think so.....if lebron had that chicago bulls team and that coach... he would have all titles ... 9 of 9... yo mj is goat but respect lebron game... but still i think all nba finals are scripted and rigged ...
Look at the guys guarding jordan I'll name a few stacey augman reggie miller plays no def john starks 6'3 Jerome Kersey allan Houston nick Anderson byron Russell Gary peyton 6'3 detlef shemph scott skiles 6'3 Aaron Mckey 6'4 byron Scott 6'3 Joe Dumars 6'3 Eddie jones Kenny Smith 6'3 stop talking if you think guys were better than they are now most of those guys were shorter and way less athletic I love the 90s bulls but saying they faced better comp is stupid most of those guys were trash
Cymone Carter and all those guys could stick a hand on Jordan’s hip and a forearm in his back forcing him to post up from half court come playoff time. Check out a 40 yo MJ low posting up and fading away over a prime Kevin Garnett with ease. Wizards MJ locked down prime VC to zero second half points. Prime MJ with these ticky ticky rules would rinse today’s league, can’t touch MJ and no bigs in the paint, gtfoh. The nba would literally have to change the rules again to slow Jordan down.
I would agree to this but after you said MJ would still beat 2017 Warriors in LBJ place that is absurd. Klay and Step would step up for the warrior like they always do.
mj is 6 of 6 in the finals without getting swept and without game 7. he went to college, returned to the game twice following two retirements, played fewer seasons than lebron. i mean im no lebron hater but lebron had to join other teams and other players to win championships
@@RoninBgk You think switching Lebron for MJ would overturn a 5-game series ahah? The Spurs beat the heat by the biggest margin in NBA history. They are criminally underrated as a team and swapping Jordan would not overcome that deficit regardless how much better you think he is. Also, there is absolutely no way he wins in 17 given that Lebron put up a super efficient 34 point triple double and they didn’t have a chance. I’d also say Jordan winning in 16’ is a debate but 11’-13’ and 20’ he wins for sure IMO.
The only time LeBron James didn't play well in a finals was against the Mavs series. It's something to consider since he when more times to the finals than Jordan. He lost all others because he hadn't had much help. Just watch the games.
@@toxicgamer8100 By 2014 wade was done bruh and that Spurs team shot like 50% from the field as a team which is legnedary they were not slouches and 2017 was yr 1 of the KD warriors and no one would ever have beaten that squad.
This might be the most cap video I’ve ever seen😂😂. I’m glad I was there to see it all when MJ played. Ain’t know way LeBron loses to any of those teams😂😂😂
Dawg, lebron Fucking did horrible in 2011, I live in Florida and was embarrassed until 2012, lebron wouldn’t win to the Lakers, but it would go to game 7.
@doughboy1271 yea he would win vs those lakers. What people don't understand about that Dallas series is they had a roster and a gameplan put together for lebron james. They used defensive schemes to make him read the offense and make him think more than he ever did. The second thing they did was use Jason Terry to run around screens and tire lebron out. A little known fact that most people don't know is that lebron in 2011 played the most and hardest set of postseason minutes without rest in 40 years in the nba up to that point. The other players that played the same amount had rest in the second half. Lebron had none. Because Miami lacked bench depth. So he was playing heavy minutes to make up for it. And it was even reported by articles at that time how those minutes would eventually take a toll. Well anyways in the finals Jason Terry said they implemented making lebron chase him around screens to tire him out because they knew it wasn't his strong suit at that point. Jason Terry said in game 5 when everyone else had gone to the bench lebron was just standing there, with his hands on his legs, breathing hard and shaking his head. He didn't have anymore left. He was fatigued. That's why he performed so bad. Now does he get a pass for it? I would say no he still didn't show up but the reason I'm pointing this is out is because unless the lakers had the personnel and gameplan implemented to make lebron think and make the right reads and the idea to tire him out making him chase one of their guards around screens then the bulls easily win the series. That's without mentioning the fact that the lakers were missing Byron Scott and James worthy. The bulls would win in that scenario.
This is for all the people saying Jordan wouldn't have reached the finals in a weak 2007/2018 Eastern Conference. ----------------- Jordan would've went to the Finals in 2007 and 2018. In comparison, Jordan had a much more impressive run in 1989 playoffs except he faced the eventual champion in his own conference unlike Lebron who had to reach the Finals to face a championship contender. Fact check: This was before Pippen ever thought of becoming an All-star and before Phil came along. Let's look at their competition in their conference: ----------------- 1989 Jordan: 1st Round (3-2) vs Cavaliers (57-25), 2nd Round (4-2) vs Knicks (52-30), and ECF (2-4) vs Champs Pistons (63-19) 2007 Lebron: 1st Round (4-0) vs Wizards (41-41), 2nd Round (4-2) vs Nets (41-41), ECF (4-2) vs Pistons (53-29), then 0-4 vs Champs Spurs (58-24) 2018 Lebron: 1st Round (4-3) vs Pacers (48-34), 2nd Round (4-0) vs Raptors (59-23), ECF (4-3) vs Celtics (55-27), then 0-4 vs Champs GSW ----------------- Not if we look at this data from their (Jordan/Lebron) runs, we can see that Jordan not only went against much higher win teams (57-win, 52-win, and 63-win) than Lebron who had to reach the 2007 ECF to face a 53-win team (lower than even Jordan's 1st round opponent). Mind you Jordan won 2 games vs the eventual Champions Pistons who 4-0 SWEPT the Lakers in the Finals. Lebron couldn't even take a single game from the eventual champions in 2007 or 2018. ----------------- Lebron went against .500 (41-41) teams in the 1st AND 2nd round (oof). The 2018 run was a lot more impressive except he already had Kevin Love who is a perennial all-star at that point. He even needed 7 games vs the less Pacers smh
Exactly. Remember his last 4 finals ECF opponents? Hawks, Raptors, Boston led by a 5'9, and Boston led by a rookie. And his Lebron Fanatics always has the reasoning that he was on his own. He built that team, those were the teammates that he demanded. Never have I seen a player who caused so many trades in their career and still it wasn't enough? Jeeeezzzz. He had 5 perennial all-stars as teammates who before teaming up with Lebron had better individual statistics than Pippen's best season when Jordan left for baseball(except for kyrie because he was young and was injured). ----------------- Here's the individual stats of these players before they teamed up with Lebron and here's Pippen's best season. ----------------- Pippen : 22 ppg, 5.6 apg, 8.7 ppg, 49% fg Wade : 25.5 ppg, 4.6 apg, 6.4 rpg, 50% fg Bosh: 24 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 52% fg Kyrie : 19.6 ppg, 4.7 apg, 3.0 rpg, 45% fg Love : 26ppg, 2 apg, 13.3 rpg, 46% fg Davis : 25.9 ppg, 3.9 apg, 12.0 rpg, 52% fg (slightly lower statistics than his usual because of injuries.) Let's add Larry Hughes just to spice up the conversation, 22ppg, 4.7 apg, 6.3 apg, 43% fg ----------------- See that shit? Those were the stats of those players the season the teamed up with Bron. Lebron's help was waaaaaaaay more than MJ had his entire career. And plus the fact that he keep on demanding for shooters, keep trading for pieces he thought would help him. Still he had lesser help? Jeeeeezzzzzz.....
Datas and stats without the context are worthless. Yeah MJ faced tougher teams, but also had an all time coach implementing the all time winningest system, oh yeah and had Scottie freaking Pippen as his teammate. Perception and feeling that you get from a certain player can make you feel like the players of the past generations are greater, and yes if you ask me who had a better career between Lebron and MJ, I think it’s silly to deny that MJ has had a better career, purely on a fact that he has accomplished more. Evaluating who was a better player is a whole different story, because NO ONE will ever know how Lebron would have performed in circumstances that were given to MJ and vice versa. All we can really do is take an educated guess which in reality, doesn’t prove jack shit. MJ facing John Stockton in the 90’s is a totally different situation than Lebron facing Steph in the 2010’s. Different rules, system, teammates, surroundings and in general its a totally different game. It’s much less likely to win consecutive championships in this era than the past generations.Does that mean it’s more difficult? Not necessarily, could be the case or not be the case. The fact is NO ONE KNOWS, and NO ONE can prove that its one way or the other. No one can definitively prove that MJ would have succeeded in Lebron’s shoes, or that Lebron would have been successful in MJ’s shoe. I am by no means, arguing that Lebron is greater than MJ, for all you MJ dickriders, read until the end before you get all outraged and start insulting me. If I HAD to choose, MJ would get my vote as the greatest, but I am just simply pointing out these cross generation comparisons are worthless and a waste of time, because at the end of the day this is all nothing but a hypothetical and a speculation. So how about we stop diminishing someone’s greatness to elevate others, we just appreciate what we have this day. They are both great, just in two different ways.
@@damroll "This was before Pippen ever thought of becoming an All-star and before Phil came along." Your only way of trying to diminish Jordan's 1989 run goes right to the trash can. --------------- Everything else you said is subjective but I will leave my 2 cents. It isn't even just about what a player makes you feel. Jordan's individual accolades, accomplishments, winning, records, stats, and analytics combined point to him being the GOAT. Jordan's goat case isn't just from his mythology but his body of work.
Louie Paolo Lumanglas I was trying to provide context not diminish MJ in anyways. And seems like I was mis-informed, so I stand corrected. Body of work against totally different players in a totally different circumstances as Lebron. Evaluating career based on their performances , as I have already mentioned I agree with you. MJ is the GOAT. What I was saying is for both fans, Lebrons and MJ fans is not to engage on hypothetical discussions in which the only purpose is to trying to discredit the other, because no one can prove that they are 100% right. That’s all I was saying. We will never know who was truly the best player ever between the two because they never faced against one another. We can only look at how dominant that these guys were against the peers of respective era and determine who had a better career. There’s no need to diminish Lebron to elevate MJ. MJ’s greatness stands on his own.
Lol don't write nothing more for the day, the amount a fuckery u write in one day save some for tomorrow, LeBron is a coward in 4th quarter playing hard teams in this easy defenseless era, how is he going to do that in the 90's were the game wuz twice as hard, he wouldn't even has a name, he would cry and ran away longtime, bulls wouldn't win no chips, talking shit
@@bussheadboss1681 a 6,2 guy like isiah thomas played in the "twice as hard" era (and beat jordan by the way). and u wann tell me that a 6,9 260 guy cant play in this era? basically a bigger stronger faster jordan? and with two elite defenders like pippen and rodman and shooters like steve kerr around him he would kill this era man! you'd better not write anything for the next 2 weeks haha
@@Gentlemaneovah what are u saying, bcuz u ate saying the samething am saying, of course jordan would bully up thia era, scoring 60 a game easy, isiah and celitics beat jordan bcuz jordan didnt have eny help, he had no allstar just him,while the celitics had multiple allstars 4, the first time they get a allstar witch wuz pippen they swept the celitics, so what u really saying
busshead boss imagine if lebron played in an era where help defense didn’t really exist. That’s how they beat him in 2011 and in 2007 and in the other finals he lost. No one is big enough strong enough and fast enough to guard lebron one on one
@@bussheadboss1681 dont change the topic pls, your point was lebron wouldnt kill in this "twice as hard" era, and i want to give an example with a small player like isiah thomas, or skinny people like reggie miller (scored 57 a game) and a guy like lebron wouldnt kill this era? your point is bs because lebron is a genetic machine and would kill in any era! and easily the 90s where is no help defence allowed. and i give u that that jordan needs help to win like every other superstar in history of bball also lebron, but thats not the point. the point is that the bigger and stronger players like lebron, giannis, kd etc. would also kill the 90s. especially if you put one of them in the chicago bulls roster.
You forgot to mention Wade and Jordan are both shooting guards. What happens there? Wade becomes instant 6th man of the year or moves to PG? You do it again when mentioning so and so guarding LeBron and then guarding Jordan. Big fuck up.
Here is a question. What if Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan played in one team. How many championships could they win. Consider their career moves, retirements, egos and may have to battle each other at some point. We can hypothetically use kobes era since they all played that era at some point.
you mean those cavs teams with 3 all stars? Note that Jordan alone took the bad boy pistons to 6 games and that was when Pippen was still pretty much a bench warmer. Imagine Jordan vs. a washed up Pistons in 2007 lmao. With Kyrie and Kevin Love as teammates he wouldn't make it to the finals? Jordan 3-peated with Pippen as the only all star teammate for each of those 3 rings, something only Jordan has done in nba history. Jordan winning vs. the KD warriors with the cavs is a stretch though.
@@simple45679 man, you forgetting this, ROCKETS PUSHED THOSE WARRIORS TO 7 GAMES BECAUSE OF DEFENSE. Jordan is a Very Disruptive perimeter who plays rhe passing lanes really well, a WAY BETTER version of Chris Paul when it comes to playong the passing lanes. Imagine a cavs team with kevin love being more of a POST PLAYER and rebounder. Lebron style of play took a lot out of kevin love game who turned into a spot up 3point shooter when he played with bron. Kevin is more effective as a Post player/rebounder.
If I were to do this and make it without bias since you clearly have a biased opinion. Jordan 2007: Lose 2011: Win 2012: Win 2013: lose 2014: Lose 2015: Lose 2016: Win 2017: Lose 2018: Lose 2020: Lose Record: 3-7 Reasoning 2007: No way does anyone beat the 2007 team. 2011: As long as Jordan doesn’t choke and Dirk doesn’t go insane, the Heat should win. 2013: Jordans major lack in a 3PT shot would be detrimental against this team, 2013 LeBron was shooting 40% from 3 while Jordan in his 10th season was the season he lost to the Magic. 2014: The 2014 Spurs were the most unbeatable and perfect team in NBA history, you’d have to have Steph Curry, Jordan and LeBron together to beat that team. 2015: no way in hell do the Cavs take this without Kyrie and Love, Jordans lack of playmaking and rebounding plus the 3PT shot would all be massive liabilities against these Warriors. 2016: if Kyrie plays great then the Cavs should win this, if Kyrie doesn’t then Warriors in 7. 2017 and 2018: no chance in hell, Cavs likely to get swept in both series. 2020: This is more circumstance, if this was prime Jordan then he would easily win but this is Jordan in the middle of his 2nd retirement. I don’t see how they would even make the Finals. LeBron 1991: Win 1992: Win 1993: Win 1996: Win 1997: Win 1998: Win Record: 6-0 The reasoning behind this is pretty simple, Jordan never faced much competition in the Finals, nearly all of his competition was in the East Playoffs so as long as LeBron makes the finals he will win. Really the only team that could beat them are the SuperSonics but that team was made to slow down and beat Jordan which they would of done if Gary Payton was guarding Jordan the whole series. But LeBron is a very different player to Jordan and his playmaking makes him unstoppable so they win. Not to mention the rules from the 90s heavily favour LeBrons game and if we weren’t just talking Finals series, LeBron would get a whole lot more than just 6 Championships.
he isnt getting stopped by a 32 year old hobbling injured parker and a 21 year old kawhi and a 36 year old duncan, and 2015 he would whoop that team as lebron choked
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET bro fuck how old they were! Kawhi was the real fucking deal and everybody could see it you can't deny talent just to boost up mj he'd be easier to guard then lebron he's not nearly as big or strong and he doesn't facilitate kawhi is also bigger & stronger then mj i don't see any scenario where jordan cooks kawhi we've never seen. Kawhi level defender on mj! 6'2 180 pound gary payton ?? Thats his best defender
I started this video cause I wanted to see what happens. And I saw him riding jordan. 😭😭he ain’t beating warriors. He wont win a 1 championship back in Cleveland. And I think if mj played in lebron era he will barely win 3 championship. Game has changed. He will just be like a Demar derozan on steriods. And lebron would dominate the 90s winning at least 6 cause he will be in the finals every year for like 12-15 years straight.
Here’s a more realistic hypothetical: MJ 2007 - Spurs in 4 2011 - W 2012 - W 2013 - W 2014 - Spurs in 4 2015 - Warriors in 6-7 2016 - Warriors in 6 2017 - Warriors in 5 2018 - Warriors in 5 Lebron 91 - Bulls in 6 92 - Bulls in 5 93 - Bulls in 5 96 - Bulls in 4 97 - Bulls in 5 98 - Bulls in 6
I see what you were trying to say with Jordan guarding KD but where you messed up is that you left out the impact of Steph and Klay like they were nonfactors
Jeffrey Simmons I don’t even understand Jordan guarding KD 😂😂😂 Jordan was great defensively but come on let’s be real here, Jordan couldn’t guard KD. To small
I don't think Jordan would have shut him down just slowed him down a little I feel like ppl think Jordan can guard every position like hes 6'6 Kd is dang near 7 foot
Jeffrey Simmons he literally brought up that one game P Beverly “strapped” up KD and didn’t he stop 50 the next game 😂. I’m sorry even kawhi was struggling to guard Kd when he was healthy and people compare him to Jordan on defense the most lol. It would’ve been a loss with Jordan either way
Jeffrey Simmons Jordan sucked at guarding guys who were bigger than him. Not hate it’s a fact he got killed if you had a weight and or height advantage. He couldn’t slow down the likes of Grant Hill how is he going to stop Hill who is looking to score and has unbelievable range and a better handle? Spoilers he won’t
I don’t think MJ would beat the 2014 spurs (cause Kawhi was a lockup defender, TD is still the fundamental and their core was always really good) 2016 Warriors because for Lebron to beat them, he had to average a 40 point triple double for the last 3 games, and no way MJ would beat the 4 headed monster in the 2017 warriors
It could've been a really good hypothetical situation up until he said that jordan and the miami heat will beat the spurs in 2013-14 finals. I just don't think that i won't happen. Many factors can happen like fatigue and injuries to other stars. Having to 3-peat is already a heavy wear and tear to the body of players. Even MJ in his two 3-peats had to recover and play baseball to have his youth back and his form being better than ever. There's just no way that they'll be taking that 4-peat.
LMAO I know MJ is the goat and all but NOOOOO FCKING SHOT. Nooo fucking way he beats The Warriors without help, and The Warriors with KD. Mavs series would probably be the only one that changes in the MJ LBJ switch. Spurs would have probably won because you kept saying Pop would force MJ to be a jump shooter but if Pop went up against MJ he would habe done a different plan altogether. Why have a man that can shoot and score from every be forced to be a jump shooter?
Meshack Mihayo i see MJ averaging over 40ppg. Between him and Kobe being one of the best scorers in the game and could lock down or guard your best player. I see MJ winning more than 3 rings if he were in Bron's shoes fasho.
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Yo stop it with those nonsense... warrior team would have beaten bulls team on all finals... who is gonna stop kd curry iggy and klay.. stop it man with nonsense... bulls team would have been burried by 3 pionts all the time when they faced each other... by far warrior team 2017 are the best team of all decade
And yo jordan is goat but stop it with this nonsense... u want to tell the world as if all finals were scripted and fixed...
MJ would've still went 100% in the finals...
Regarding LeBron's Bulls against the Suns and Jazz teams, who would hit those late game free throws in a tight nba finals? LeBron? 😯😂
M J IS NOW 74 AND WINS HIS 46 CHAMPIONSHIP AGAINST THE AVENGER
You didnt even consider pop at all what makes you think hell play the same defense he did on lebron with mj
It doesn't matter what Pop did. They wouldn't stop Jordan.
@Requiem Like I said 4 for 4. That was an old Spurs team. I don't worship Jordan. I rooted against him in every Final. It's just recognizing his greatness. I have watched both play and no athlete in a team sport was more dominant than Jordan other than maybe Gretzky.
Pop played the same d with Kobe. I assume he would play the same d on Michael
@@DanielDeng0305 MJ isn't Kobe. MJ was far more efficient scorer.
@@DanielDeng0305 MJ isn't Kobe. MJ was far more efficient scorer.
So if Lebron was leading up until a certain game (such as the 2-1 lead against the 2015 Warriors), Jordan is put into that hypothetical starting from game 4, but if Lebron's losing 3-1 then Jordan isn't placed into game 5 but rather he starts from game 1? Smh, the disrespect and blatant bias. Just respect that they're both great, no need for comparison videos like this one
Also him being coached by the greatest coach ever doesn’t seem to have an impact or how for some reason James Worthy isn’t injured anymore in the finals.
Jordan wouldn’t even have a 2-1 lead in the finals because he’s never won anything without Horace Grant, and Scottie. Jordan’s Bulls didn’t even have a winning season until those two were drafted
He said that because he knows Jordan wouldn't have been able to overcome that 3-1 deficit. Lebron led every player in everything on both teams to pull that off. Jordan ain't doing that. In fact no player has ever done that in any playoff series of any length aside from Lebron James.
@Zoo Keeper maybe u didn't read what I actually said. To pull off that 3-1 comebacks that's what lebron had to do. Jordan would've had to do the same.
@Zoo Keeper I didn't say kyrie wasn't there. Lmao how is it padding stats if that's what it took to win? Dude just stfu
It started to become less realistic when he said he’d beat the KD and the 73-9 warriors
And also the warriors in 2015 without kyrie and love
@@jahleelx9270 exactly
This narrator on heavy drugs
MJ wasn’t going against easy teams the 6 out of 6 times he won the championship
@@kaiser7695 buddy he would have no chance vs them stop
“Micheal Jordan has taken his talents to south beach”😂😂😂
That was funny 😆
Oh boy can you imagine.....😳
Not 5, not, 6 not 7 lol
At least then it would make sense for the Heat to retire his number lol
No MJ took his talent to minor league baseball and failed after burning out or quitting however you want to all it..Lmao imagine being a Quitter, not Once not Twice ......lmao
@@hectorrosado5807 Didn;t have imagine MJ quitting not once,.... not twice....lol
This entire video: hypothetically, if jordan plays like jesus, he just wouldnt lose
And Lebron being bad
Wasn’t hypothetical lol it was true 😂
Like Rodman wouldn't rip Lebrons head off for his softness
I mean, Jordan was basically about as close to Jesus as an athlete can get, so...
but MJ always plays like jesus, so?
“Part of the reason they lost was because lebron was a worse defender at that point of his career” Genuinely, did you watch that series?
Did you?
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 yes and the reason they lost had very little to do with the level of defense lebron was playing at because it was literally up to even his standards
@@RemyKingKen so in other words, you didnt watch. Dumb@ss
@@RemyKingKen you didnt watch
@@nonamewillbegiven9989did you just watch the highlights?
He really said that M.J would beat the 2017 warriors even though Lebron had to average a 33 point triple double to even bring them to a game 5.😂😂😂
Ik this stupid old head is so bias. Jordan would’ve have been 4-6 just like Lebron. Also Lebron would’ve have been 6-0 like Jordan
@@BIGBLICKA bruh LeBron literally lead both teams in every category in 2015 and still lost
@@BIGBLICKA yeah mj aint losing to didk or Duncan 😭 would’ve 4 peated easily
@@BIGBLICKA Lebron have one of weakest mentality he aint winning against magic or jazz in 98. Lebron is ass on defense. Mj was 4 in dpoy voting in 98
jordan would beat them because he would be the best defender that year since the league doesn't play defense at all
U didn’t include unhealthy wade and bosh
This guy doesn’t know basketball
Jordan led bulls to the 98 finals with pippen injured most of the season... and also he won a game being sick... I think MJ is able to handle that...
@@cdbular MJ would not have been able to handle the 2014 spurs by himself. That's ridiculous.
@@cdbular bruh, imagine being this dumb
Lebron could of best Karl Malone and a old magic johnson
This was definitely an interesting hypothetical, but your hand was heavy, heavy in favor of Jordan's ability to score and completely lacked interest in Lebron's other strengths.
Yeah this dude is bias af
Mj didn’t pass lol or rebound like lebron. Plus everyone knows the heat were top heavy and wade was leaving his prime with injury’s the second year.
@@xxmiltxx9037 And yet LeBron only averaged 2 more assists and 1 more rebound while being a mentally weak bitch. LeBron shoots 35% outside of layups and dunks. MJ is a better offensive player, defensive player and winner than LeBitch. There's no argument against those literal facts. Scoring titles and DPOY while LeBitch stopped playing defense and misses the Playoffs in his late prime.
Exactly
@@xxmiltxx9037 coaching matters. Jordan pre Phil was 34 8 and 8. Phil told him to run and got better rebounders for him. So instead of crashing the boards he started to run for fast breaks.
I love this narrative that everyone has about Andre Igoudala that he's a "LeBron stopper." LeBron played without both Kyrie and Kevin Love for 5 of the 6 games in the Finals and averages more points, assists and rebounds than anyone in that finals series by a wide margin. It just baffles me to see such disrespect still put upon this man, after all that he has accomplished and will continue to accomplish for years to come.
2014 and 2015 they gave the Finals MVP to the guys who mildly slowed Lebron down on defense.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq 33 10 10 is slowing him down 🤣
@@charlesbullock5260 Yep, they were totally handing out Finals MVPs for managing to hold Lebron under 40 points in those days.
Uh, bfd on numbers......Westbrook averaged a friggin' triple double for multiple years and his game was still ass.....🤣🤣🤣
@@JonSmith-hk1bq the reason he iggy got the finals mvp was because yea lebron avg 35.8 pts but he did it on 38% shooting. do you understand how bad that is how many shots you have to take to avg 35 on 38% shooting not to mention lebron at that time was usually around 52 to 55% from the field
No way Jordan beats those Warriors lmao this guy is just riding MJ at this point.
Ikr dude delusional af lmfao
@@chichis5757 yep. Giving MJ more rings and Lebron the same 4 rings
That warriors team almost got beat by the rockets if CP3 didnt get injured in game 5, and it went Game 7. Its all about match up the 96 bulls or 93 Bulls are nightmare match up to 2017 warriors because both teams are all defensive specialist team, The 96 team is stacked with elite defenderds, while the 93 Bulls is younger and is bigger . Warriorsa is pretty small and if they try to play durant as C and PF its over, Kukoc and Rodman are great post and perimeter defender as Bif fuys and small ball, same with Horace Grant and Cartwright. Warriors live and die by 3's while Bulls is playing with dominance game plan
@@joeymanny ok i get your point and I think you are right. but the question isn't can mj bull93-96 beat the warriors17 . it's if you switch mj for lebron can they win ? the answer ... its a super close call, i personally dont think mj add the fire power to change the narrative.
@@joeymanny You're talking about 2018 Warriors. The year that LeBron had his best career playoffs and Kyrie left the team and he played with a bunch of scrubs. MJ ain't winning that series with those scrubs. Maybe with 96 bulls yea but not that with that Cavs team.
At first I was with you but when you said mj would've beat the KD warriors I was out. Who guarding klay and Steph?
Jordan and Kyrie..not like Steph was killing Cleveland the 1st three times..lol..who would guard jordan under todays rule...he would be like Harden on steroids with freethrows..lol..@danzel...not saying he would win but to lose like that especailly passing the ball when Steph guarding you one on one..lol..Jordan would also play better defense..
@@rasakiki what bout kd?
@@denzeladams7449 what about him..the was there for the last 2 finals...he was not being guarded by Lebron, Lebron was not able to dominate his pisition either..KD outplayed him and they lost...steph was not great...so if lebron played some defense it might have bring different..the second year the warriors did not swep the playoffs only lebron in the finals...you guys are givinc lebron to much excuses for losing..
He lost it when the 14’ spurs won because of Jordan’s “mentality” that’s a stupid reason
Agree, but Jordan would have one the 1st. Making him 7-1
This guy is a pumped up version of skip bayless
I’ll take that as a compliment. Lol
@@ReboundRewind you shouldn’t
@@ReboundRewind it’s not
@@ReboundRewind that’s a huge insult
.-.
He just said Jordan would beat the 2017 warriors 🤣
Y would he not
@@catsdogsbaby8318 why would he? because hes the goat? foh
@@Sean-wm6qd too many reasons to name
@@datguitarplayer1656 maybe but that's not the debate the debate is 93 Jordan on a modern Cavs or heat team and I'm sorry to say but the Heat plus Jordan equals 4 rings
Shannon Sharpe had the Cavs winning in 6 in 2017.
As a spurs fan, I can say 2014 was some of the best basketball ever played by a team. MJ is not winning 4 games here lmao
he’s a crackhead
Yeah he said the reason they won cause he cramped the first game lol he didn’t take into consideration how mad we bet them in the other games
@@patrickmaldonado7529 or the simple fact that Wade and Bosh underperformed severely
@@Sosavelli Apparently he thinks Jordan could have taken on both the 2014 Spurs and the 2015 Warriors all by himself. Which is just ridiculous.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Which just isn’t happening. If others aren’t stepping up, you can’t force your team to a championship if the other team is greater than your own
Your crazy to think they'd win in 2014 and 2017 absolutely crazy!!2014 D wade a eraged 15 and 4 on 41 % shooting and Bosh was an absolute disappointment as well and Lebron played great individually in that series and they still lost by such a margin what could MJ have done other than score a couple of more points but then he would also dish out lesser assists and he would also shot lesser from the field and 3pt% then Lebron did in that series and 2017 is just crazy to think🤣💀
the funniest thing,is how did they go to finals in cavs??
Jordan makes his teammates better. That’s a huge difference.
@@El_Bueno its literally the opposite
and mj wouldnt beat the 2015 warriors
@@IVslam I think he would have a chance against the 15 warriors but don’t think so with the 14 spurs and def not the 17 warriors
I think that ppl are forgetting that Lebron had to average more Min/Pts/Asts/Rebs/Stls/Blks than EVERYBODY on BOTH teams to beat that 2016 Warriors team.
Let's say that u drop Jordan in there and he's averaging 35 per game. He's also doing less play making and he's grabbing less rebounds, meaning that teammates have fewer opportunities and the team is getting fewer possessions. Ppl don't appreciate how much Lebron actually does.
T Wall, absolute facts
Lebron stans don't realize that Lebron's ball-dominant style marginalizes his teammates. He can't play offball so he dribbles the air out of the ball and then decides to pass or shoot at the last minute. Phil Jackson said this to Kobe (in his playing days) and Kobe said this to Lebron: "You have to do less so your teammates can do more."
I'm sorry but Lebron doesn't make his teammates better. Everybody he plays with drops in numbers and despite being on the most talented roster from 2011-2016, the team always performs so bad compared to the talent level. Kobe said it best: Throwing your teammates the ball isn't making them better.
Had Jordan been on that team, he'd let Kyrie go to work and lead the team on defense. Curry was already looking shaky that series, imagine adding a Jordan on defense. They wouldn't have even been down 3-1 to the 2016 warrios.
@@simple45679 Jordan's usage rates were just as high as Lebron's, often times more. Also, if u take a player who is a star player on a bad or even good team, ie Kyrie and he becomes the #2 ofcourse his numbers go down. Look at Pippen and Grant's #'s during 3peat 1 vs during Jordan's 1st absence, their numbers are better because they are the #1 #2 option now. Do u think Jordan made them worse? If ur answer is yes that would at least be consistent.
@@maviebaby Usage rate measures on how many plays in a team ENDS with a player, it does not take into account HOW LONG a player holds the ball. It takes into account shots, turnovers and drawing fouls which "end" a possession, note that this doesn't factor in passing. This means that as long as Lebron passes the ball away when he got nothing out of the possession, it isn't reflected in usage rate.
I could go on but I recommend you to do your homework instead of spitting out stats you don't know the meaning of. (Just imagine how much Lebron has the ball when his usg% is close to Jordan and that doesn't take into account the times he passes the ball.)
Everybody's stats on those Bulls teams got lower in the Triangle offense, EVEN Michael Jordan. Yes, Jordan's stats went down when he played for Phil Jackson. Am I gonna be stupid and say Pippen and Grant also made Jordan worse? Look up Jordan's stats in 84-88 vs 89-93, Jordan was just that great to still put up godly stats on a real system. See the difference?
@@simple45679 I forgot about that with the usage rate. Thanks for the clarification. I was wrong.
Regarding the stats. I'm talking about the years leading up to Jordan's 1st exit; early to mid 90's. I'm not talking about Jordan pre and post triangle.
The point I'm making is that if you join another great player and especially if your bot the 2nd option, ur numbers will go down. Unless the players are extremely complementary to one another.
The heat lost the second time to the Spurs because they was old and Wade was playing injured all season,and that Spurs team was the deepest team in the league all season so no MJ does not beat them with that team
Mj wouldn’t get locked up Kawhi and he would probably defend on both ends unlike Lebron. Pop strategy was similar to 2007 , make Lebron take jump shots so Lebron would fold , mj on the elite end would give hard time to Kawhi taking more jump shots so pop strategy wouldn’t work. Prime mj was more stronger and more athleticism so compared to slow, old spurs were, no one would’ve guarded mj. Dude is right heat wins in 6 games. You forgot mj doesnt need multiple all stars to win. He needs little help and regardless of injuries wade and bosh. Mj wouldve been better and won the series.
@@ankurkool171 false. And I can prove it. 2014 lebron averaged 28 4 and 7. Shot 51 percent from 3 and 57 percent from the field. Led the heat in everything but blocks. 1996 finals. Jordan averaged 27 5 and 4. 31 percent from 3. 41 percent from the field. Bulls win in 6. Heat loses in 5. LeBron obviously had the better series. The reason I compare the two is because kawhi is just as good as a defender as the glove if not better than him. LeBron performed better against him than jordan did against payton and still lost. Because he was facing a better team. And Gary Payton only guarded jordan the last 3 games of the series. His stats dropped significantly. Jordan averaged 31 points in the first three games on 46% field-goal shooting, including 50% on 3-pointers. In the final three games of the series, Payton held Jordan to 23.7 points per game on 36.7% field-goal shooting and 11.1% shooting on treys. Jordan also went from 2.3 turnovers per game to 3.7 after the switch was made.
Game 4: 23 points, 6-19 FGs (31.6%), 0-2 3-pointers, four turnovers
• Game 5: 26 points, 11-22 FGs (50%), 0-4 3-pointers, two turnovers
• Game 6: 22 points, 5-19 FGs (26.3%), 1-3 3-pointers (33.3%), five turnovers
Now imagine jordan is going against a defender of the same capabilities as the glove. He shot worst than LeBron did from the field and from 3. And averaged less points.rebounds and assists. So what he's going to magically win the series against a better team and a defender just as good as the glove and guarding him the entire series and not just 3 games?Spurs won 62 games. They had the best record in the league. They had four players in double figures. They shot 46 percent from 3 as a team. They were number 3 in defense. They had the best coach and system and they had the best defender in the league who went on to win dpoy 2015 and 2016. They broke the bulls record for fg percentage as a team at 52.8 percent, they shot 46.6 percent from 3 in the finals, they shot 72.8 percent in the first half of game 3. All while wade was putting up piss poor performances. They have entire articles about how bad wade played that series. The only person that showed up besides LeBron is pretty much Ray Allen and somewhat bosh. But how does a guy lead his team in everything but blocks and the loss still be his fault? How does a guy average 28 7 and 4, and shoot 57 percent from the field and 51 percent from 3 and the loss still be his fault? LeBron performances (points and fg percentage) games 1-5 are as follows. Game 1, 31 points on 52 percent shooting. Game 2 35 points on 63 percent shooting which is the only game the heat won and they only won by two if I'm not mistaken. Game 3 22 on 64 percent shooting. Game 4 28 on 58 percent shooting. Game 5 31 on 47 percent shooting. Wade averaged 15 a game. We call LeBron out for choking in 2011 and averaging 17 points and scoring 8 points in a game but when LeBron teammate doesn't show up and he does we still scrutinize LeBron instead. Instead of realizing basketball is a team sport and realizing one man cannot beat a team. We blame the loss entirely on him even tho he was the best player on both teams and performed like it. Wade game 1 2014 finals 19 points on 8 of 18 shooting or 44 percent shooting. Game 2 14 on 5 of 9 shooting. Game 3 he tied LeBron for 22 on 8 of 12 shooting and was his highest scoring game. Game 4 he had 10 on 3 of 13 shooting and game 5 he had a whopping 11 points on a measly 4 of 12 shooting. This is called context. All while LeBron was being hounded on defense by kawhi and the spurs had a record breaking finals. and not to add the fact that the one game the heat won LeBron had his best game of the series on the best field goal percentage. 35 on 63 percent shooting, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 10 rebounds, shot 3 of 3 from 3 so 100 percent from 3, and the heat only won by 2. 98-96. Let that sink in.
“BROO HES JUST, HES JUST BUILT DIFFERENTLY, ITS MJ HE NEVER LOSES!!!!”
@@j.hartman120 get his D out your mouth he lost to Orlando before they added Rodman
@@ankurkool171 go to school before you try to tell me something incorrect. Like you got shit on your phone to correct that shit how you mess up that bad.
You completely lost me at the 2015 analysis. Your bias is so obvious that there's no point watching further.
1. MJ would never have taken 2007 Cleveland to the finals
2. Dirk Nowitzki is considered by many top-5 power forwards of all times, so show a little respect.
3. At 2015's , LbJ was a single all-star in the cavs and had too much to process by himself. Under MJ they would've caved even sooner.
4. Comparing Tristan, Smith, Dellavedova and Shumpert to Pippen, Rodman, kukoc and Kerr is clinically borderline insane.
5. Other than Wade & Bosh, who exactly were the other players in the roster? I could look them up, but it's funny that their names never come up when talking about 2012/2013 Heat. Could MJ push them to excellence like LbJ did? Highly questionable.
6. You completely ignore the fact that MJ's bulls were led by the hands-down greatest coach in the history of the game. Only Red Auerbach could pose any competition to Phil Jackson (and would still lose by a landslide).
7. You completely ignored the fact that MJ was never put under the microscope the way that LbJ constantly was (and still is). This puts a tremendous mental pressure on a player. And still LbJ delivers and only caved in once.
In all of the above you're taking only scoring into account and disregarding both players' impact on improving their team-mates and managing the game. You're also ignoring field-goal percentages, where misses and failed offensive-rebounds don't count against turnovers.
*Pippen:* "Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game, but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game, because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will but he keeps everybody involved."
couldnt agree more!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Wow. Taking hypothetical to a whole nother level
This nigga liked the comment lmfao
@@famouskidzontheblock8905 lol
Randomness and bias as well, lol.
🤣
agreed
I think you didn't take into account LeBron lack of great coaching in his second Cavs stint.
that actually a good point
Dead narrative, it's LeBron who kills his coaches.
What y'all failing to realize is LeBron in his prime has Pippen and Horce Grant. Then gets Pippen and Rodman. Nobody in any era is beating a team with LeBron and Pippen at the wing.
LBJ is the GOAT Going On Another Team(Lakers) searching for a ring😄😁😅🤪
@jocriss that's the whole.point of the video. If LeBron was on the Bulls
Just say you are a MJ fan. Either that or you don’t watch basketball. Magic dropped a triple piece on Jordan when he tried to guard him . There is no way in hell he guarding KD
7:04 nuh uh uh u gotta take Into account LeBron was dealing with heat cramps in game 1 and guarded by Kawhi (even tho he still averaged 28 lmao) so u gotta give Jordan the same weakness
He probably would have been fine I mean Jordan did play through a Flu
@@joemuthaoggabogga5652 nah that's a sickness a cramp is something that has to do with ur muscles u physically can't move with that :(
He’s tailoring his argument to fit Jordan smh. Lebrons defense wouldn’t have declined with the bulls because he had teammates to pick up slack in other areas. Jordan would have had to rebound and assist more in order to make those games close so that he could close. Tbh if those cavalier teams had Jordan whose to say they even make it to the finals lol. He did have some early round exits before winning those six lol
@@renaldideallfordii6047 Yeah not to mention 7+ consecutive trips to the finals starts to wear on you. You give Lebron a year or two off between finals stints and his defense doesnt slip an inch. Plus Lebron always elevates his defense when playing with defensive minded teammates. Look at his first finals with, look at his years in miami, look at him next to AD in LA (yes that is after this video was made but still). On a team with a defensive priority, with a teammate(s) that help anchor the D he becomes a force multiplier and helps that defensive become top of the league.
It was a fun video, but way too much love for Jordan.
First of all, you totally disregard that it was actually Pippen that guarded Magic in that first finals and that Worthy got hurt. Its no way the Lakers beat the Bulls with LeBron on that team.. Utah series even with LeBron declining still had two of the greatest defensive players in the history of the nba with Pippen and Rodman. Not to mention a 6'6 PG in Ron Harper that could play defense. What you're failing to realize is that LeBron wouldn't have to do as much because Pippen handled the ball while also being an elite defender.... On the flip side, Jordan doesn't make it to the finals with the 07 Cavs nor the 2018 Cavs. No way the Cavs beat the Kevin Durant Warriors. Jordan take Durant out the game, who the hell guardian Klay? So in my opinion yea. The Jordan would have beaten the Mavs and the warriors being up 2-1... But Jordan record would either be 6-3 or possibly 5-4. That Spurs team was no joke, Wade knees went bad and Bosh back was about done.... That second 3 peat Bulls would of been PG Harper 6'6, SG Pippen 6'8 SF Lebron 6'9 PF Rodman at 6'10 and C Lonely 7'0. No way the Jazz, sonics or any team in NBA history has a shot against that line up
But you telling me that MJ would still have a better finals record than LBJ?
I just read a bunch of nonsense
@@karlcc95 not at 6-3 or 5-4..
@@TheImSolid if that's how you read it then OK 🤷🏽♂
@@fauzan_hr with Ron Harper at 6'6, Lebron at 6'8, Pippen at 6'8, Rodman at 6'10 and Lonely at 7'0. No way a team was beating them. To much size. Lebron and Karl Malone is the same size who guarding Lebron
I agreed with all your predictions until you stated that Jordan’s 2017 hypothetical cavs would defeat the 2017 warriors. While I agree that Jordan could lockdown Kevin Durant much better than Beverly, you can’t task him with that the entire game let alone a series. Doing so would significantly reduce Jordan’s production on offense where he has responsibilities unlike Beverly. Also let’s not forget, there is only 1 player on that cavs roster that would be able to guard Durant. That player would obviously be Jordan. On the 2017 warriors, there are 4 different defenders that could guard Jordan. Draymond Green, Klay, Durant, and Iguodala can all be assigned that defensive task. Obviously Jordan would have it his way against all 4 of them but the bottom line is he would be forced to see 4 different defenders every game. This allows Durant to rest on the defensive end and conserve energy for offense whenever it is needed. Unfortunately, that option would not be available for Jordan if he’s forced to defend Durant for 48 minutes. The 2017 warriors were way too deep. If the gameplan like u suggested consisted entirely of Jordan defending Durant for 48 minutes while creating opportunities for himself and his teammates on the offensive end, then you’re basically asking Jordan to do everything. I don’t care how great you are. You don’t win championships that way. I’m not trying to argue that LeBron is greater but u just sound like another one of those Jordan dickriders.
Draymond would get owned by Jordan
Dont forget they also have to guard curry and klay
Bro wrote an entire essay 💀💀💀
@@coreyczech Draymond can guard Jordan like any other player
@@coreyczech Draymond would be a better match up on him than maybe anyone aside from Kawhi
He really gave jordan a 7 peat 😂
He forgot the charity bubble ring didn't he?
@@kaiserinyoleba5711 the video was made in 2019
Exactly like be won't be be tired and beat Warriors team
Although I’m a LeBron’s fan I was rocking with you until 2017. That’s when I realized you’re biased AF 👎🏾
Chris Peguero I’m a Kobe fan and this horrible
Kobe the greatest laker i'm an alex caruso fan and this is a bunch of crap😾
Jonathan Flynn everybody’s a bald mamba fan
Kobe the greatest laker facts😈
Jonathan Flynn I like Kobe but Kareem was better maybe even magic
jordan cant guard magic johnson. how can he guard kd? hahaha
I believe weight might be an actual factor
lebron cant guard curry
Prime Jordan is the best perimeter defender. He would slow down KD. Plus MJ was able to guard Magic pretty well and he only became a better defender in the next few years after he gained some muscle mass.
Wdym he cant defend magic? xD
What? Prime MJ is arguably the greatest guard/perimeter defender of All-Time. MJ guarded the best players while being responsible for 50%+ of the Bulls offense every night! Nobody has ever won MORE with less...
It's facts that Jordan's defense was crazy..but it was mainly in the halfcourt against slow pace teams...guarding kd in a fast past game like today's would significantly take more energy than guarding decent guards from back then in a slow paced game..I think that's slept on
Slow paced due to defensive rules bruh 😂 And The over reliance on the 3 ball.
If Jordan took rest days like LeBron he'd have unlimited energy anyways
@@user-ko3sd9qj2h so you’re telling me Jordan never took any rest days😂😂.
@@Mptappin12 Jordan has 9 years with 82 games played, two seasons with 80 ane 81 played. He was injured in his second year and only played 18 games. When he come out of retirement the first time it was at the end of the season so that's another he would have played 82. Then there's his wizard years he played 60 in his second to last and 82 games in his last year.
Lebron has only played over 80 games in season 3 times.
Pussy management as they say.
@@user-ko3sd9qj2h wow so you gave me all that in the conclusion you came to was not because he was injured its load management, despite never really being that injured
Let's look at the Jordan more realistically. 1. 2007 vs. Spurs. Agreed with the analysis, the Spurs were awesome and the Cavs would have no one except Jordan. 0-1.
2. 2011 vs. Mavs. Agreed with analysis in general. Though no thought is given to how Jordan and Wade play on the same court. 1-1.
3. 2012 vs. Thunder. Playing against a young team still gelling with a Heat squad that's got more depth. Jordan takes this one. 2-1.
4. 2013 vs. Spurs. Jordan is playing baseball and doesn't make an appearance. 2-1 with 1 no-show.
5. 2014 vs. Spurs. Lebron was the only Heat player to show up that blowout series. Jordan can't beat the Spurs by himself after playing baseball most of the year. 2-2 with 1 no-show.
6. 2015 vs. Warriors. Jordan can't beat the Warriors all by himself with Irving and Lowe out. 2-3 with 1 no-show.
7. 2016 vs. Warriors. Jordan's back at full strength against the best regular season team ever. The Cavs would still be underdogs, but I'll give him this one. 3-3 with 1 no-show.
8. 2017 vs. Warriors. These Warriors might be the best team of all-time. Jordan doesn't make a difference. 3-4 with 1 no-show.
9. 2018 vs. Warriors. No Kyrie and a Warriors team that can't be stopped. 3-5 with 1 no-show.
10. 2020 vs. Heat. Jordan has been retired for 2 years. 3-5 with 2 no-shows.
Final record 3-5 with 2 no-shows and honestly, I don't think there's even one mildly controversial take on the list. Giving Jordan a win against the 2016 Warriors was actually a gift as Lebron had one of the best ever Finals that season and it's far from a given that Jordan manages to equal it. Honestly, I gave it to him just so I couldn't be accused of bias. The actual likely record might well be 2-6.
Solid analysis
I would give him the 2013 ring, second run against the spurs
And totally understanding what you said on 2016, would take that as an L
@@phong4396 Thought that was the biggest no-brainer of all. Jordan was AWOL for his 10th season. The video just kinda wished that away.
For what it's worth, I'm not sure Jordan does get the ring in 2013 even if he does show up. I didn't really get into it because Jordan's retirement made the whole discussion moot, but Lebron was a better fit playing alongside Wade for the simple fact that he plays a different position and game than Wade. Putting Jordan and Wade together would have been like swapping out Pippen for Drexler on the Bulls. Having Jordan and not-as-good Jordan on the same team means someone would have to make a major adjustment to their game to make it work.
And Lebron played very well that series and the Spurs still nearly won.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq no to any of that bullshit
@@JonSmith-hk1bq and 2020 is not a real finals and Jordan is dominating this cupcake era so there would be no 2-6 record. M.oron
@@JonSmith-hk1bq 2016 Warriors is not the best regular season team ever and Jordan aint letting his team fall down 3-1. M.oron
Lol Jordan is not winning against the warriors! 😂😂😂😂 especially with KD!
Jordan and Kyrie would be a disaster!
TheManloc
U act like Lebron went to a game 7 against KD’s Warriors.
Death nope
But advance stats wise Lebron and MJ are equal! Like their PER and dominance is close!
So technically Mj would get a similar fate or worse because Jordan year 14 or 15 was trash compared to his former self or Lebron year 15!
So he probably would not have been able to do half of what Lebron did to make it possible to even win a game aka run the offense, score and rebound!
Wizard Jordan could not even make the playoff or score 25 ppg average!
TheManloc
1. Jordan was 40yrs old in the Wizard’s team (with no all stars). It’s stupid to hold him accountable.
2. Jordan sacrificed a lot of stat padding opportunities for the triangle offense.
3. Lebron got himself swept damn too many times in his prime (while having 2 all stars on his team), I’m sorry, but there no proof of MJ getting swept by the GSW & Spurs like that in his prime.
4. Lebron may not have the best team in the NBA when he was with the Cavs, but he sure shit had the 2nd best super team to help him.
5.No one calls the 2019-2020 lakers a super team, why? because it doesn’t have two all stars.
That’s the type of team MJ had.
Put 2012 - 2018 Lebron on MJ’s bulls, he’d trade everyone on that team for star power.
Death 1. He was 40 so you are right
2. No he didn’t as Phil Jackson and Jordan say he would stray away from the triangle offense as the game continued.
3. If 37.1 Jordan is getting swept and MVP Jordan is getting gentlemen swept in 87 and 88 he’s going to get swept by these teams and at the time of the sweeps LeBron was 22 and 33 maybe 33 you have a point but 22 are you serious that was his prime? There’s also no account of Jordan doing anything when the all nba and all defensive teammates were not in his favored. In laymen term, when he had the worse teammates he never bested anyone.
4. If anything Lebron had the second best cast for a year against the best, the best which was designed to beat Lebrons team. And when you are the second best by a large margin there’s no comic book ending where you win regardless of the foe.
5. You are right
Put Jordan on these teams and he gets 2 realistically 3 at best
Put Lebron on these teams where his leadership isn’t questioned then I don’t see why he won’t win all 6. Scottie’s contributions are highly downplayed until you watch the games he’s not better than Jordan but he is better than the best player on the other side of the court more times than not.
@@MrSlashblade lol..Lebron has had terrible performances. 2007..2011..Jordan never had those..he is going to perform better with the bulls which is a defensive team and he does not play defense...Jordans might lose to GS but not Mavs..Lebron cannot win without another 24 ppg scorer in the finals..have you watched his finals he went to 9 so you know he,needs a scorer with him to win especially when games are tight due to his,poor free throw shooting..😂😂😂
Lebron went to a new team:
Straight up finals
Lebron's previous team: went last place in the confrence
Jordan went to a new team: couldnt even go near the play offs
Bulls when jordan retires in 93 : went to the play offs
ALL FACTS
Lebron and Pippen were of more value than Jordan when it comes to wins. That's a fact. Pippen has more playoff wins than Jordan also
@@sambeezy007 thank you
Bruh lebron is not better than jordan give it up man!!!!
getting to the playoffs is easier than making a playoff team into a championship team though.
plus the fact that the east were the leastern conference and that he played in superteams against sorry ass teams in the east.
with that being said, how can you explain then how Lebron makes his teammates better if they suck without him?
this is easy to explain though because wherever LeBron goes, he was their system, very heliocentric.
without lebron it turns into shit. just like steve nash in the d'antoni system. their offense is very reliant on one player while
MJ played in a system called the triangle offense. Without Jordan, his teammates can still operate the triangle offense.
Triangle offense is a basketball offense where they play team ball. MJ may shoot more than others in this system
but he doesnt dominate the ball like LeBron, Harden, Nash or Luka does. he does multiple things like pick and roll, post ups, moves off the ball or cutting.
Unlike the heliocentric offense in Lebron and D'Antoni system where the guy mostly does it all on offense.
New team aka superteam and lost that finals and previous team was constructed around him. Context matters Lebron stan
Jordan would not have won in 2017 I can’t believe you said that
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Yes he would LeBron was a defense liability
Jordan wouldve never made it to the finals wit the cavs 07
Kenneth Erickson wait so lose purposely not to make it?
@Kenneth Erickson your a professional lebron hater 😂😂
LeBron didn't just score, rebound, and assist the ball in those finals he lost. He also DEFENDED extremely well, much like Jordan would, and doubled as a shotblocking threat as well as a passing lane disruptor. It's not something you can just slide Jordan into the place of and magically achieve better results, because LeBron was always a great playoff defender.
Pls dont compare lebron an jordan on defense. It is no where close to being the same
@@kingofla2155 I just did. Because that's how well he was defending.
@@poly_g6068 lebron????
@@kingofla2155 Fr, it’s an insult to LeBron, he was wayyy better
@@ihavetowait90daystochangem54 way better than who
Tristan Kardashian??
🤣😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😆😆....
I died with laughter on the spot hearing that...
Yeah boi me too I laughed out hard on hearing that too
ebron jeremiah right it’s actually trashton Thompson
Why did I ruin it by reading it beforehand
Same lol
@@nuamelo3180 dam
You did not just say mj beats that warriors team, I can’t agree with something that ridiculous 😂
Maybe the bulls would beat the warriors, but mj with the cavs? Neveeeer bro
And why u going with a same 2-1 lead in the 2015 finals series, and not with a 1-3 in 2016? I think jordan would be 0-4 against the warriors.
And also i cant see jordan beat the spurs 2014.
But i give u that that jordan would beat the mavs.
I think it's fair to say Jordan would've won in 2011 but yea people are definitely Jordan biased or Lebron haters if they give him 07 or 15 with costars Booby Gibson and Dellavedova or vs the KD joins 73 win Warriors while Cavs roster adds only Kyle korver then loses Kyrie. The Bulls roster may have won 1 but not Cavs with Jordan.
2014 is the other somewhat reasonable year to say Jordan may get but it's a team sport and the Spurs were great 2013 and got even better 2014 , while Lebrons teammates all looked like they had nothing left in the tank due to age and the 4 year run taking its toll physically.
Bro I completely agree with you
Who on that spurs team would guard MJ? Bowen? 😂
I agree, he would possibly win 5 rings
Yeah i agree mavs in 2011 is a loss mj wouldn't have but he takes all the other ones lebron took
Pretty funny he doesn’t play defense but he has made some of the most clutch defensive plays of all time 🥱
If LBJ was in MJ shoes he would definitely kick LAL ass with a broken magic but would definitely lose to Sir Chuck because he cannot bully this dude.
In summary, I say MJ gets 5 rings because he wouldn't have beaten GSW the first, third or fourth time they meet and LBJ gets 5, losing only to the Suns.
That sounds about right.
I knew you are LBJ hater when you took Skib Bayless as your source 😂
bronsexual be quite
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET stfu
Bro this dude isn't even close to old enough but to watch mj on RUclips. And I guarantee this dude has never sat and watched a full MJ game. MJ is on another level from LeBron .LeBron is great but he isn't no Jordan y'all need to stop lmao 😂
@@JJW419 fr
Skip is wrong on most of his takes. But he is spot on with his lbj takes and jordon takes. A broken clock is right twice a day
Jordan’s winner mentality has nothing to do with the outcome of these finals, don’t use that as part of the reason why you think he wouldn’t blow a lead, etc...
I think the 2014 Spurs would’ve won. Wade’s knees were breaking down, they were shooting like 60% from 3, Kawhi did a decent job at guarding Lebron (I think he would’ve done a better job gaurding a 6’6 slender guard like Jordan) , Bosh did almost nothing, Ray Allen was in his last season but that’s debatable...
I don’t think MJ would beat the Warriors in 2015 either... You’re forgetting that LeBron had to rebound (which he does better than MJ) , distribute (which he does way better than MJ) and score at an elite level with Iggy hounding him on defense. I don’t think MJ can do the same at LeBron’s level. In this hypothetical, you not only have to put MJ in LeBron’s shoes, you also have to figure out if MJ’s style of play would be an improvement to LeBron’s in that series. And to that, I say no...
2017? 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 ing heavy! I highly doubt MJ could last more than 6 Games with the Big 4 Warriors. No one in the world is stopping Durant. If MJ tried guarding 6’11 KD, at 34 for most possessions, that would probably hinder his offense.
I only see Jordan winning 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016.
Exactly what i said. Jordan would be 4-5
I highly doubt that Jordan would lost to Dwight Howard's Magics. Ever
@@hectorrosado5807 It doesn’t matter what you believe really. Basketball is a team sport, the fact is LeBron averaged 38.5, 8.3, 8.0, 1.2, 1.2 on 59.1% TS. Not too sure what else you expected from him individually from that series despite your doubts whether MJ could win or not. Hell, if I had just known about LeBron’s playoff performances post his Miami days, I’d find it hard to believe he lost the the Magic as well.
The primary reason why they lost that series anyway was because no one on the Cavs could stop Dwight Howard and the Cavs did a horrible job defending 3’s from the Magic.
@@OddWilliam17 base on your point of view it doesn't matter what you believe either. However, the fact point out that in that series both teams were balance, no team was way better than the other. Its also a fact thalt Jordan never lost against a team that was considered inferior like Lebron lost against the Mavs wish the heat were favorite to win, but lost. By the way, Jason Terry played better than Lebron. I think you have heard that before. Right ?
@@hectorrosado5807 I think the Magic ran a bit deeper than the Cavs and they had better coaching but hey, if that’s you’re opinion then we can agree to disagree.
Also, it seems you failed to see the end of my comment. I clearly stated that I see Jordan winning in 2011 if he was playing for the Heat instead of LeBron for the mere fact that 1) I don’t think Jordan would’ve underperformed the way Bron had and 2) Jordan honestly fits a lot better next to Wade than Bron did as Jordan could’ve been utilized off ball a lot more while Brons value is waaaay higher as an on ball engine. Wade and Bron both weren’t as valuable without the ball in their hands.
What we’re debating about right now has nothing to do with the collapse in 2011 because 1) LeBron played amazing in 2009 so I have no idea where this fits in and 2) I clearly give the championship to Jordan in 2011, but I disagree with the rest of the chips.
7 championships in a row and 7 MVPs 😆😆😆
I can't take this dance. Lmao!!!
You're kind of biased mate
Real talk
true
Fact yo
So true
Why is he biased? Lebron had 9 finals, he lost finals that were percieved as guaranteed wins.
Michael Jordan was not losing easy finals, nor hard ones.
This is terrible my guy 💀
It’s so bad it’s funny 😆
If MJ couldn’t win against the pistons without help. How in earth could he win against the 2015 warriors with Henny Smith and Mozgof??
They pushed the Pistons to the limit. What you on about kiddo?
So basically, MJ won whatever LBJ lost and whatever LBJ won. You made too much of bold assumptions on MJ‘s mentality and scoring ability while intentionally eliminating the uncertainty that might hinder the final success. Everyone knows LBJ historically faced tougher team, but it’s not exemplified in your video. Most importantly you ignored how enduring LBJ’s body is. That’s one of his strongest points!!! I give you credit for making the vid, but the hypothetical comparison is not as fair as it sounds
姜皓元
Maybe he gave MJ too much Credit, but I can totally see LeBron losing that fist and Last finals due to inexperience and age. Also MJ probably only gets 5 rings in LBJs finals, the heat ones and 1 warriors one.
Jordan faces all the hard teams, lebron faces easy teams, 90;s teams where hard defencive skilled teams, u not going through them easy, the teams of this era is easy bcuz there is no defence eny more, so its easy to run up and shoot, this league now days os joke compare to the 90's u talking shit
Bro Jordan loses that against that spurs team the third time around cuz if we bring real the reason y lebron and the heat lost was because besides lebron no one else was good wade was avg 13 on 42% shooting and that was the only other player in double figures every one else was avg less then 10 points while lebron was avg 28 8 7 jordan loses that finals easily especially with the amazing shooting from the spurs that year
@you scooper u mean too much credit given to lebron with his big coward self, 9 finals 3 wins and barely win those 3, passing up the ball so much in the 4th quarter, and u say he is the greateat, kmt, far too much credit for this clown, jordan the greatest of them all deserve all credit, never being to a finals and lost, as jamaicans would say, some bwoy a bombocloth stats padder
@you scooper lebron statpadding in this easy ass era. The late 2010s and the 2020s will be similar to the 50s bc of too much pace with no defense.
Lmfao he thinks he woulda beat the 2016 warriors in 5 😂
Well Lebron beat them in 7
@@BoringPhonger okay but it still took LeBron having to lead both teams in all major stats (PTS, RBDS, AST, STLS, BLKS). Not just being the best mid range shooter and locking down one guy. Still took him having IQ in regards to making the right play offensively and defensively
@@Sosavelli Yes but why would Jordan lose
@@BoringPhonger because the other teams are better. You can’t convince me that because “Jordan best scorer and defender and killer mentality so Jordan no lose” is why he would beat the 14 Spurs 15, 17, 18 GSW
@@Sosavelli Ight 17 and 18 is pushing it but 14 15 definitely make sense
Bruh I was with u a part of the way but I had to call BS. There us no way mk beating the warriors or his first finals appearance. Plus lbj would beat the lakers tf u talking bout. Plus I see u take every event and record that happened in this timeline with lbj losing to the spurs and mavs and put bron in Jordan era with those same feelings that he experienced in his. That makes no sense it like time travel which it is, if they switch out ones and attitudes will be different so lbj and jordan will have different minds. Plus u said mj would beat the spurs cuz pop turned bron to a jump shooter. Like tf pop would obviously come up with a plan fr jordan and force him to drive or sum and again Jordan in an era where 3's be flying again idk how he beat warriors. But lbj in jordan era will bully everyone plus back then there was no zone defense bro. Players couldn't switch and double team so bron would dominate bro tf🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ u gotta take these narratives into mind. Jordan would get double teamed. 3's would be flying like crazy forcing him to do the same as bron cuz he gotta mk up fr the points difference and would be forced to drive and if he did uk what be coming that's all I gotta say tho🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I agree with you, strange take from him, obviously it's his opinion, but it is wrong. The mentalities of both players would be different+they would be coached in a different ways.
@@skylancer4999 exactly. That part triggered me bout his video plus in the finals with bron allegation was going round bout his mom and shit so the man wasnt locked in.
@KobeDropped_81 what do you mean by saying "not in the same breath"?
@shaquan. Look man. The deal here is what you said. Maybe just maybe the mentality would be different if the grew up in different eras. But yes hypothetically if Jordan has his same mentality and lbj with the same mj would have alot more success than bron and bron less than mj. I have never seen a player dominate and be so tactical like mj. Not even kobe. Bron don't have the mentality to be flying around on top of every one like you think in the 80s and 90s. They weren't as soft. I'll tell you what. Go see the last 5 min game 6 of the 98 finals. And if you ever seen bron close a game like that. Than let me know. I'm not talking about final numbers. Just the last 5 min.
Double teaming was allowed, as was switching off of screens. What wasn't allowed was showing to the ball, or "Half-n-half", where you are in between both your man and the ball handler. Especially the Simmons sag would've been illegal.
realistically, mj loses 2014, bosh, wade and allen weren’t really there, and the spurs played great team basketball. mj also loses 2015 without kyrie and kevin love. he loses 2016 against the 73-9 warriors. and loses 2017 especially because of KD.
I'm sorry but they would not win the 2017 warriors sure kd would have trouble but he cant guard kd, curry, and klay. He cant guard 3 people mj is the goat but no
Who is first
Exactly he’s my goat too but he trippin on that one
@@Jay_dracoi guarantee you MJ IMPACT WILL BE more pronounce in the defensive end. MJ is a diaruptive PERIMETER DEFENDER, he plays the passing lanes extremely well, warriors cant jusr pass the ball around like they always did when they up against a team.with someone like jordan. Plus kevin love will surely be used as a POST UP THREAT if he played with MJ, LOVE was great with the wolves because of his post game, bron turned him into a SPOT UP SHOOTER LOL.
I SAY CAS have a pretty good chance, considering those warriors WENT to GAME 7 AGAINST THE ROCKETS
@@realitybites629 are u dumb they set screens u dumbass and Mj would've been chasing klay or curry on screens he would've got tired and even if he gaurded Durant he gonna score with no effort same with curry and klay just shoot over them like they would just do and Jordan can be stopped put Draymond green or Andre iguodala on him
@@mottofakkushite9817 lol, phil said jordan can break through any screens when it comea to defense when he was asked about the difference between MJ and kobe.
Rodman, harper, pippen and jordan are virtually the same length ang athleticism and add kukoc who was a 6'11" pointguard lol
Man this was real bad 😂 never seen more bias in my life.
Absolutely 2014 he'd loose,2015 he'd get swept prolly and in 2017 there's no way he'd win also
My guy said Jordan wins 7 straight titles... jeez.
@@iBEEnHEREtoo I mean, he kinda really won 6 straight in actuality. When he came back midseason from retirement, he was rusty. Once the rust was off, it was back to business. MJ is GOAT.
@@puruman1890 Jordan will loose to spurs?
I can't take you serious
Even kobe in "Miami" won't lose to spurs (2014) nor Dallas(2011) nor GSW(2015) maybe might even win 2017
@@craigthompson168 Jordan lost to the Magic... and I cant figure out why people dont remember that. He is the GOAT tho.
MJ bias video come on😂
I’m Lebron hater but you’re right
I think this is fax you can’t tell me LeBron wouldn’t beat Karol and Magic
😂 ok buddy
SlideIce Lebron would’ve you gotta give credit man
Ethan Baker ? Fix what what you were trying to say then I’ll understand
You aren't even analyzing the series at all to what would truly happen. For example, as good as Jordan was, the Warriors would have likely won all 4 series if it was Jordan instead of LeBron on that Cavs team.
What you're failing to realize is the most important differences between the two players mean. LeBron is a better all around player than MJ, and at his size he was responsible for nearly everything that the Cavs did those years that wasn't an iso play for Kyrie. Jordan was the most elite scorer in NBA history outside of prime Wilt, but he was also a lean 6'6" SG. He couldn't play the 1-5 role that LeBron did.
What you're most ignorant in ignoring in that rivalry that would be important in that loss of size would mean is that Iguodala was not the Warriors best defender, just the best matchup for LeBron. The best perimeter defender on that team by far was Klay, and he's the perfect size to match up against MJ.
MJ absolutely excelled in the triangle, but it's a different story when you're expected to be the everything in the offense. When he played, Kyrie did give offense, but that was about it. Jordan would have to be able to replicate the playmaking ability that LeBron did, because Kyrie is not a true PG.
To anyone saying Jordan couldn't beat the warriors, consider these points:
1) The Rockets took a KD lead warriors to 7 GAMES, and lost because CP3 got injured.
2) NO HAND CHECKING !!! How much points you think MJ can score if you can't HAND CHECK him?? The dude averaged 41 PPG in the 1992-93 finals. This is an era where scoring wasn't as fluid as it is today. LeBron's highest finals was 35 PPG, and that was in 2015 with no Kyrie or K-Love. So Jordan in 2015-2018 could easily average way more than 41 PPG, since he did it in a tougher defensive era.
3) Don't under estimate Jordan's defense. LeBron was NOT guarding KD at all during the Warriors finals. KD was being guarded by bench players. If MJ was guarding KD, I'm sure it would have an effect.
4) The Warriors' perimeter defense will be null because Jordan isn't looking for the open 3 pointer like LeBron always was. Jordan will be constantly attacking the basket and using his near unguardable fadeaway mid-range shot.
Anyone saying that knows absolutely nothing about basketball. They aren't worth conversing with.
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You say that Jordan would score a ton and I agree, but the same story with guys like lebron and harden: they can score all they want but it’s their teammates that gotta step up to get a win. I would say Jordan can out score curry, but can kyrie our score KD, can love out score Draymond or iggy. The warriors have more depth so they would prevail
@@chrisrolen3345 True. They forgot the fact that, when Jordan dropped 63 on Celtics, Bulls lost that game. When he averaged 43 points, Bulls got swept. When he averaged 31, Bulls won the title. He wasnt doing it alone, he couldnt do it alone
Cool Waters 1) the rockets were built completely different from Cleveland. For one they could actually hit their average % in that series.
2) I’m glad to tell you Lebron didn’t win because he was this 40 point scorer but because he was all around. For Jordan to win not only would he have to average 43 points in 2017 series he still has to generate 10 assist which is probably around of 23 points per game off of his teammates. So Jordan essentially has to be responsible for 66 points in order to beat this warriors team who beat the cavs by an average of 14 points. Now can you see Jordan putting up at minimum 33 points and 14 assist? Because that’s what’s going to be needed to beat this warriors team.
3) if anything you are underestimating KD offense and forgetting one thing Jordan sucked at guarding guys bigger than him. From magic to hill to Barkley Jordan got thrashed if you had physical advantage over him.
4) is the dumbest Jordan will null the perimeter defender because he’s not shooting 3? That will makes defending him fucking easy. Zone and man hybrid defense will not allow him to operate from mid range unless he’s going to use two pick and rolls inside the three. That will make the offense predictable and limited especially since illegal defense doesn’t exist and you can have multiple bodies defending the paint away from the p/r making him that much more easier to guard. And his fade away came from the post, where the fuck will he have the space to just pull that off.
Ur such a Jordan fan no way Jordan would ever beat the spurs or warriors
😂😂😂😂 Pathetic.. Ain't no way MJ beats the Warriors by himself and he wouldn't have a chance against the Warriors when KD came on.. Horrible
The 1996 bulls will beat the 2017,2018 GSW.
@@keithwarren1517 who’s guarding Kd, Steph & Klay on that bulls team ?
Oasis 10 there were many defenders in the bulls. I am sure Phil would figure it out.
How do u know?
@@boogy1033 KD gets guarded by pippen, allay gets guarded by Harper and Steph gets guarded by mike. Worst case scenario pip and mike switch. Who’s guarding mike and pippen?
People will just say anything to throw shade at LeBron. MJ is NOT beating the Warriors with that Cavs team. The one series I would most definitely give MJ, that LeBron lost, is the one against the Mavericks. MJ was confident in himself, that he was that guy. LeBron was not fully there yet. He became the player we know him as later on, a complete player. However, no one was beating that Warriors team. Even without KD, that would be a REALLY tough assignment.
You lost all credibility when you chose 2015 Cavs over Warriors. Love-Irving were both out. There is no way MJ can win that. Sorry to expose your bias
I think the bias being exposed is yours. You Warriors fans always have an excuse. And where are the Warriors now. 🤔 You have no concept of MJ and the Bulls team he lead. You have no idea how formidable they were. All you guys have is a media hyped Lebron. Who the media makes every excuse for. And a here they come there the go Warriors team (gone). Really?👍OK
I mean cavs took them to 6. Mj would guard klay then the warriors best scorers would struggle
Sean Aric Whats your excuse for Jordan losing like 9 times before finals?
John Markes Klay doesn't do isos. He shoots behind screens. Sorry it wont cut it
@@1vaultdweller right because screens stops all defense
Interesting idea, but I think Jordan wouldn't have beaten GS without Kyrie. Lebron on the other hand, would have had a harder time than you mentioned in my opinion vs the suns, sonics and jazz simply because of th forwards those teams had. Barkley, Kemp and Malone were all forwards. Interesting idea though. Can't agree with everything but it doesn't make it a bad idea.
LeBron is way faster then any of those forwards in his prime off the first step and his playmaking is not going to be effected. Who could stop magic ?
@@ten0785 Lebron is way better Forward yet he lost to sophomore kawhi and 33 years old keep dirk but keep going🤣
One thing this video failed to do was to put them in their right position on the other teams. That changes the each teams starters and rotation enough to be a factor for better or worse. Example, with Lebron being a small forward, would Pippen still start?
Bruh didn’t even put the right roster on screen for the 2011-12 heat😂can’t take any of this serious, dude is a homer
Jordan wasn't a facilitator, so all of the other Cavs stats would have been worsened if Jordan played for them.
You do realize Lebron's offense hurts other players stats, right? Why do you think Lebron's teams are always in the bottom 10 in the league in assists? Lebron gets a lot of assists at the expense of team ball movement. He doesnt run an equal opportunity offense, its why players like Bosh and Love look like shells of their former selves playing with Lebron. Lebron's Cavs averaged 21 assists to the Warrior's 29 and MJ's Bull's 28. Jordan was once asked to play PG for 5 games at the end of the 1989 season. He averaged 31 points, 11 assists and 9 rebounds, recorded 12 triple doubles in 25 games including 7 consecutively. He also averaged 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals - more than Lebron has ever averaged in a playoff series, let alone a finals series.
So no, your analysis misses the mark. MJ proved he could play the point, he just chose not to. His abilities were better put to use fighting off ball to get open and to score the basketball.
@@Youngster543210 no they look like shelves of themselves because they went from being the first option on their team to being a third option
@@Youngster543210 yeah he can play point because he was a great basketball player but there was a reason pippen ran the offense and mj didn't. He played point for 5 games. Not nearly his entire career.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd No they look like shells because they went from playing in an equal opportunity offense to playinh in Lebron's drive/kick system. They are required to get out of the paint to draw defenders to the perimeter so Levron can have an easy drive to the basket. They're essentially glorified role players. Both Bosh and K. Love have spoke in detail about it.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Novody really "ran" the offense on those Bull's teams. Pippen facilitated more often but the entire team moved the ball around the triangle. MJ was called upon to do the bulk of the scoring because he's the greatest scorer in the history of the game. Scottie wasn't the scorer MJ was so naturally he spent more time passing the ball to MJ while MJ fought off ball to get open rather than vice versa.
I literally talked about MJ playing PG for 25 straight games in my first comment on here. He averaged 31/9/11.
Biggest overrating of Jordan imaginable, i say Jordan would be 4-5 if he was in LeBron's shoes
Still better than Lebron
Agreed my thoughts too. 4-5 is realistic. He takes Ls in 2007, 2015, 2017,2018. Those are definite and I also think he could have difficulty with the 2014 Spurs or the 2016 warriors and either of those could be a potential 5th L.
I have him winning 2011-2013 for sure and maybe taking 2014 Spurs or 2016 Warriors but not both. Putting him at 4-5.
@@CastroJr92 he's not beating the spurs the second time either because MJ couldn't shoot threes
@@Sniper_T_2x I agree people really don't understand how good that team was that team had one of the highest shooting efficiencies in playoff history
Jordan aint losing in Lebron's shoes and there was no overrating you snowflake
This was interestingly dumb, I was giving it a chance in the beginning but he became clearly bias when he had Jordan beating the 2017 warriors and even worst when it was Lebrons turn to play with the bulls smh.....too bad could have been a good video.
He's terrible and I'm a MJ fan but he's wrong ,Mj wasn't beating all those teams
If had played with the heat they would have won all three championship
The problem is when you idiots think of MJ you don't think of the bulls. Steph, KD and Klay would've been terrorized by Rodman, Pippen, and Harper. Not to mention TK you young bummy ass clowns
@@SPLASHGOD575 Rebounds = win?
Ok boomer
@@SPLASHGOD575 you clearly missed the whole point of the video. In this video it's Lebron that has Pippen, Harper and Rodman. Jordan has Wade and Bosh etc
Idc if he is michael freaking jordan, they'd no way in HELL he beats that KD warriors team. You're asking 34 year old Jordan to guard a 7ft sniper. And if he's on the cavs, who's guarding Steph? Klay?
"Like pat bev got into KD's head" you mean when he got a 50 piece McNugget with no bev?
Come on, there are times when even being as great as Jordan would NOT be enough. Kyrie and Love aren't great defenders, if MJ has to expend all his time and energy trying to stifle the most versatile offensive weapon EVER, who's covering the two greatest and quickest shooters EVER?
Besides that, I can see MJ getting the others. But I do think him over the KD warriors is too out of the realm of possibility
This is old and the one constant is this. A losing side will always make excuses, or use intangibles that do not pertain to facts. Like LBJ lead a bunch of no bodies blah, blah, blah! As if that argument holds up to any kind of logical, serious, intelligent, scrutiny. MJ is so great because of the players he had and coach. But when Lebron loses he has awful players. That demonstrates a person who is not capable of logical thinking. And one who has been dumbed down by the media influence. You're saying that Lebron is greater than the team which is asinine. Unless Lebron can win all by himself which is impossible. MJ is greater because of one reason and one reason only and he has said it on a few occasions. He wanted to be the best. He wanted to beat the best because he is a competitor! Lebron goes out and competes because that is the very essence of sports but he is not a COMPETITOR! This is why you Lebron fans will lose all day every day because you fail to grasp that one concept. And for good measure let me educate those who like to manipulate stats. FYI and a study was done analytically also which proves Jordan was superior to Lebron. Hell Kobe was better than Lebron!
Michael Jordan in one season (1988)....
1. NBA MVP
2. NBA ALL STAR
3. ALL STAR MVP
4. ALL NBA FIRST-TEAM
5. NBA DEFENSIVE P.O.Y
6. NBA SCORING CHAMPION
7. NBA STEALS LEADER
8. NBA SLAM DUNK CHAMPION
9. NBA ALL DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM
NBA Championships
LJ - 3 Titles
MJ - 6 Titles
Championship MVPs
LeBron James 3 - 3 championship MVPs
Michael Jordan 6 - 6 championship MVPs
Scoring Leader
LJ - 1
MJ - 10
Led the league in steals
LJ - 0
MJ - 3
All Defensive Team
LJ - 6
MJ - 9
All Defensive 1st Team
LJ - 5
MJ - 9
Season MVP
LJ - 4
MJ - 5
Remember Jordan played 3 years of college ball versus Lebron coming straight into the league.
@Sean Aric ... nah i dont think so.....if lebron had that chicago bulls team and that coach... he would have all titles ... 9 of 9... yo mj is goat but respect lebron game... but still i think all nba finals are scripted and rigged ...
This video is incredibly biased towards Jordan lmao
Look at the guys guarding jordan I'll name a few stacey augman reggie miller plays no def john starks 6'3 Jerome Kersey allan Houston nick Anderson byron Russell Gary peyton 6'3 detlef shemph scott skiles 6'3 Aaron Mckey 6'4 byron Scott 6'3 Joe Dumars 6'3 Eddie jones Kenny Smith 6'3 stop talking if you think guys were better than they are now most of those guys were shorter and way less athletic I love the 90s bulls but saying they faced better comp is stupid most of those guys were trash
And George Foreman was taller bigger then Ali but Ali still knocked him out.
Cymone Carter and all those guys could stick a hand on Jordan’s hip and a forearm in his back forcing him to post up from half court come playoff time. Check out a 40 yo MJ low posting up and fading away over a prime Kevin Garnett with ease. Wizards MJ locked down prime VC to zero second half points. Prime MJ with these ticky ticky rules would rinse today’s league, can’t touch MJ and no bigs in the paint, gtfoh. The nba would literally have to change the rules again to slow Jordan down.
I would agree to this but after you said MJ would still beat 2017 Warriors in LBJ place that is absurd. Klay and Step would step up for the warrior like they always do.
He wouldn't have won 2015 either
2015 too
mj is 6 of 6 in the finals without getting swept and without game 7. he went to college, returned to the game twice following two retirements, played fewer seasons than lebron. i mean im no lebron hater but lebron had to join other teams and other players to win championships
Gotta take into consideration that Jerry Krause was a great evaluator of talent.
Because the cavs didn't get him any help.
Yea u also have to factor in competition
The Bosh dinosaur is hilarious but he always looked like an ostrich to me
Straight up nostalgia/Jordan STAN-ing
LeBron would go 6-0
MJ would go at least 7-3
If the roles were reversed.
@@RoninBgk Jordan wouldn’t win that 2015 chip alone
@@RoninBgk He wins at most 6 but probably 4 imo. There’s absolutely no way he wins in 07’, 14’, 17’ or 18’.
@@BT-dl8in He wins 14 and 17.
The other two fair enough
@@RoninBgk You think switching Lebron for MJ would overturn a 5-game series ahah? The Spurs beat the heat by the biggest margin in NBA history. They are criminally underrated as a team and swapping Jordan would not overcome that deficit regardless how much better you think he is. Also, there is absolutely no way he wins in 17 given that Lebron put up a super efficient 34 point triple double and they didn’t have a chance. I’d also say Jordan winning in 16’ is a debate but 11’-13’ and 20’ he wins for sure IMO.
The only time LeBron James didn't play well in a finals was against the Mavs series. It's something to consider since he when more times to the finals than Jordan. He lost all others because he hadn't had much help. Just watch the games.
He sucked in the 2007 finals, absolute garbage that series.
2011 14 17 ?? Bruh he had good help in those finals
@@toxicgamer8100 By 2014 wade was done bruh and that Spurs team shot like 50% from the field as a team which is legnedary they were not slouches and 2017 was yr 1 of the KD warriors and no one would ever have beaten that squad.
@@toxicgamer8100 did you actually watch those finals or are you just going by name recognition in 2014
@@CastroJr92 Wade aka Father Prime wasnt done. M/oron
I think lbj would’ve taken the wizards to the finals 😭
Even when Lebron is 38-40?
@@fashion3745 look at him rn dude
Lebron can even take his team to the playoffs. Wtf
@@impacc4182 missing the play in
@@nonamewillbegiven9989 averaged 30 keep crying
This might be the most cap video I’ve ever seen😂😂. I’m glad I was there to see it all when MJ played. Ain’t know way LeBron loses to any of those teams😂😂😂
Lost to Dallas so haha emoji boy and you definitely werent there
Dawg, lebron Fucking did horrible in 2011, I live in Florida and was embarrassed until 2012, lebron wouldn’t win to the Lakers, but it would go to game 7.
@doughboy1271 yea he would win vs those lakers. What people don't understand about that Dallas series is they had a roster and a gameplan put together for lebron james. They used defensive schemes to make him read the offense and make him think more than he ever did. The second thing they did was use Jason Terry to run around screens and tire lebron out. A little known fact that most people don't know is that lebron in 2011 played the most and hardest set of postseason minutes without rest in 40 years in the nba up to that point. The other players that played the same amount had rest in the second half. Lebron had none. Because Miami lacked bench depth. So he was playing heavy minutes to make up for it. And it was even reported by articles at that time how those minutes would eventually take a toll. Well anyways in the finals Jason Terry said they implemented making lebron chase him around screens to tire him out because they knew it wasn't his strong suit at that point. Jason Terry said in game 5 when everyone else had gone to the bench lebron was just standing there, with his hands on his legs, breathing hard and shaking his head. He didn't have anymore left. He was fatigued. That's why he performed so bad. Now does he get a pass for it? I would say no he still didn't show up but the reason I'm pointing this is out is because unless the lakers had the personnel and gameplan implemented to make lebron think and make the right reads and the idea to tire him out making him chase one of their guards around screens then the bulls easily win the series. That's without mentioning the fact that the lakers were missing Byron Scott and James worthy. The bulls would win in that scenario.
@@doughboy1271 The Lakers were not as good since 88 and would’ve not even win the chip then if Isiah didn’t get hurt
Well... to call this a flawed and shallow analysis would be an understatement. You have multiple MJ posters in your bedroom, no doubt.
This is for all the people saying Jordan wouldn't have reached the finals in a weak 2007/2018 Eastern Conference.
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Jordan would've went to the Finals in 2007 and 2018. In comparison, Jordan had a much more impressive run in 1989 playoffs except he faced the eventual champion in his own conference unlike Lebron who had to reach the Finals to face a championship contender. Fact check: This was before Pippen ever thought of becoming an All-star and before Phil came along.
Let's look at their competition in their conference:
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1989 Jordan: 1st Round (3-2) vs Cavaliers (57-25), 2nd Round (4-2) vs Knicks (52-30), and ECF (2-4) vs Champs Pistons (63-19)
2007 Lebron: 1st Round (4-0) vs Wizards (41-41), 2nd Round (4-2) vs Nets (41-41), ECF (4-2) vs Pistons (53-29), then 0-4 vs Champs Spurs (58-24)
2018 Lebron: 1st Round (4-3) vs Pacers (48-34), 2nd Round (4-0) vs Raptors (59-23), ECF (4-3) vs Celtics (55-27), then 0-4 vs Champs GSW
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Not if we look at this data from their (Jordan/Lebron) runs, we can see that Jordan not only went against much higher win teams (57-win, 52-win, and 63-win) than Lebron who had to reach the 2007 ECF to face a 53-win team (lower than even Jordan's 1st round opponent). Mind you Jordan won 2 games vs the eventual Champions Pistons who 4-0 SWEPT the Lakers in the Finals. Lebron couldn't even take a single game from the eventual champions in 2007 or 2018.
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Lebron went against .500 (41-41) teams in the 1st AND 2nd round (oof). The 2018 run was a lot more impressive except he already had Kevin Love who is a perennial all-star at that point. He even needed 7 games vs the less Pacers smh
Exactly. Remember his last 4 finals ECF opponents? Hawks, Raptors, Boston led by a 5'9, and Boston led by a rookie. And his Lebron Fanatics always has the reasoning that he was on his own. He built that team, those were the teammates that he demanded. Never have I seen a player who caused so many trades in their career and still it wasn't enough? Jeeeezzzz. He had 5 perennial all-stars as teammates who before teaming up with Lebron had better individual statistics than Pippen's best season when Jordan left for baseball(except for kyrie because he was young and was injured).
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Here's the individual stats of these players before they teamed up with Lebron and here's Pippen's best season.
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Pippen : 22 ppg, 5.6 apg, 8.7 ppg, 49% fg
Wade : 25.5 ppg, 4.6 apg, 6.4 rpg, 50% fg
Bosh: 24 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 52% fg
Kyrie : 19.6 ppg, 4.7 apg, 3.0 rpg, 45% fg
Love : 26ppg, 2 apg, 13.3 rpg, 46% fg
Davis : 25.9 ppg, 3.9 apg, 12.0 rpg, 52% fg (slightly lower statistics than his usual because of injuries.)
Let's add Larry Hughes just to spice up the conversation, 22ppg, 4.7 apg, 6.3 apg, 43% fg
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See that shit? Those were the stats of those players the season the teamed up with Bron. Lebron's help was waaaaaaaay more than MJ had his entire career. And plus the fact that he keep on demanding for shooters, keep trading for pieces he thought would help him. Still he had lesser help? Jeeeeezzzzzz.....
Pure hater
Datas and stats without the context are worthless.
Yeah MJ faced tougher teams, but also had an all time coach implementing the all time winningest system, oh yeah and had Scottie freaking Pippen as his teammate.
Perception and feeling that you get from a certain player can make you feel like the players of the past generations are greater, and yes if you ask me who had a better career between Lebron and MJ, I think it’s silly to deny that MJ has had a better career, purely on a fact that he has accomplished more.
Evaluating who was a better player is a whole different story, because NO ONE will ever know how Lebron would have performed in circumstances that were given to MJ and vice versa. All we can really do is take an educated guess which in reality, doesn’t prove jack shit.
MJ facing John Stockton in the 90’s is a totally different situation than Lebron facing Steph in the 2010’s.
Different rules, system, teammates, surroundings and in general its a totally different game. It’s much less likely to win consecutive championships in this era than the past generations.Does that mean it’s more difficult? Not necessarily, could be the case or not be the case. The fact is NO ONE KNOWS, and NO ONE can prove that its one way or the other.
No one can definitively prove that MJ would have succeeded in Lebron’s shoes, or that Lebron would have been successful in MJ’s shoe.
I am by no means, arguing that Lebron is greater than MJ, for all you MJ dickriders, read until the end before you get all outraged and start insulting me.
If I HAD to choose, MJ would get my vote as the greatest, but I am just simply pointing out these cross generation comparisons are worthless and a waste of time, because at the end of the day this is all nothing but a hypothetical and a speculation.
So how about we stop diminishing someone’s greatness to elevate others, we just appreciate what we have this day.
They are both great, just in two different ways.
@@damroll "This was before Pippen ever thought of becoming an All-star and before Phil came along." Your only way of trying to diminish Jordan's 1989 run goes right to the trash can.
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Everything else you said is subjective but I will leave my 2 cents. It isn't even just about what a player makes you feel. Jordan's individual accolades, accomplishments, winning, records, stats, and analytics combined point to him being the GOAT. Jordan's goat case isn't just from his mythology but his body of work.
Louie Paolo Lumanglas I was trying to provide context not diminish MJ in anyways. And seems like I was mis-informed, so I stand corrected.
Body of work against totally different players in a totally different circumstances as Lebron.
Evaluating career based on their performances , as I have already mentioned I agree with you. MJ is the GOAT.
What I was saying is for both fans, Lebrons and MJ fans is not to engage on hypothetical discussions in which the only purpose is to trying to discredit the other, because no one can prove that they are 100% right.
That’s all I was saying. We will never know who was truly the best player ever between the two because they never faced against one another.
We can only look at how dominant that these guys were against the peers of respective era and determine who had a better career.
There’s no need to diminish Lebron to elevate MJ. MJ’s greatness stands on his own.
I think lebron would be 8-0 in the jordan era. Imagine with phil jackson all the time, two of the highest bbal iq in the history together omg
Lol don't write nothing more for the day, the amount a fuckery u write in one day save some for tomorrow, LeBron is a coward in 4th quarter playing hard teams in this easy defenseless era, how is he going to do that in the 90's were the game wuz twice as hard, he wouldn't even has a name, he would cry and ran away longtime, bulls wouldn't win no chips, talking shit
@@bussheadboss1681 a 6,2 guy like isiah thomas played in the "twice as hard" era (and beat jordan by the way). and u wann tell me that a 6,9 260 guy cant play in this era? basically a bigger stronger faster jordan? and with two elite defenders like pippen and rodman and shooters like steve kerr around him he would kill this era man! you'd better not write anything for the next 2 weeks haha
@@Gentlemaneovah what are u saying, bcuz u ate saying the samething am saying, of course jordan would bully up thia era, scoring 60 a game easy, isiah and celitics beat jordan bcuz jordan didnt have eny help, he had no allstar just him,while the celitics had multiple allstars 4, the first time they get a allstar witch wuz pippen they swept the celitics, so what u really saying
busshead boss imagine if lebron played in an era where help defense didn’t really exist. That’s how they beat him in 2011 and in 2007 and in the other finals he lost. No one is big enough strong enough and fast enough to guard lebron one on one
@@bussheadboss1681 dont change the topic pls, your point was lebron wouldnt kill in this "twice as hard" era, and i want to give an example with a small player like isiah thomas, or skinny people like reggie miller (scored 57 a game) and a guy like lebron wouldnt kill this era? your point is bs because lebron is a genetic machine and would kill in any era! and easily the 90s where is no help defence allowed. and i give u that that jordan needs help to win like every other superstar in history of bball also lebron, but thats not the point. the point is that the bigger and stronger players like lebron, giannis, kd etc. would also kill the 90s. especially if you put one of them in the chicago bulls roster.
You forgot to mention Wade and Jordan are both shooting guards. What happens there? Wade becomes instant 6th man of the year or moves to PG?
You do it again when mentioning so and so guarding LeBron and then guarding Jordan. Big fuck up.
Hypothetically this is awful 🤦🏻♂️
Here is a question. What if Lebron James, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan played in one team. How many championships could they win. Consider their career moves, retirements, egos and may have to battle each other at some point. We can hypothetically use kobes era since they all played that era at some point.
Interesting suggestion! I’ll definitely consider it.
Probably 15 chips if they each know their place and have a solid supporting cast.
Jordan with Cavs beating the 2017 Warriors was like The 1993 Bulls beating 1996 Bulls🤦
don't mind me I'm just vibin' to "You Say Run" in the background
Nice vid
Your on weed the Mavs first wasn’t his first time in the finals and there was no pressure about leaving remember
You didn't get the example it was Brons first finals in MJs shoes
Also he was younger than what MJ was when he won his first so🤷🏽♂️
MJ ain't going to 5 of those finals (including 4 straight finals) with those Cleveland Cavaliers teams.
you mean those cavs teams with 3 all stars? Note that Jordan alone took the bad boy pistons to 6 games and that was when Pippen was still pretty much a bench warmer. Imagine Jordan vs. a washed up Pistons in 2007 lmao.
With Kyrie and Kevin Love as teammates he wouldn't make it to the finals? Jordan 3-peated with Pippen as the only all star teammate for each of those 3 rings, something only Jordan has done in nba history.
Jordan winning vs. the KD warriors with the cavs is a stretch though.
@@simple45679 man, you forgetting this, ROCKETS PUSHED THOSE WARRIORS TO 7 GAMES BECAUSE OF DEFENSE.
Jordan is a Very Disruptive perimeter who plays rhe passing lanes really well, a WAY BETTER version of Chris Paul when it comes to playong the passing lanes.
Imagine a cavs team with kevin love being more of a POST PLAYER and rebounder. Lebron style of play took a lot out of kevin love game who turned into a spot up 3point shooter when he played with bron. Kevin is more effective as a Post player/rebounder.
@@realitybites629 I could give him a solid chance at winning in 2017 if we're talking 91-93 Jordan. 2018 was a lost cause though.
@@simple45679 Probably, but i am not counting out on MJ, though. Those Cavs had a CHANCE to win game 1 lol. After that game, leron simply quit
Yes Jordan would go with Cleland the east was weak.
If I were to do this and make it without bias since you clearly have a biased opinion.
Jordan
2007: Lose
2011: Win
2012: Win
2013: lose
2014: Lose
2015: Lose
2016: Win
2017: Lose
2018: Lose
2020: Lose
Record: 3-7
Reasoning
2007: No way does anyone beat the 2007 team.
2011: As long as Jordan doesn’t choke and Dirk doesn’t go insane, the Heat should win.
2013: Jordans major lack in a 3PT shot would be detrimental against this team, 2013 LeBron was shooting 40% from 3 while Jordan in his 10th season was the season he lost to the Magic.
2014: The 2014 Spurs were the most unbeatable and perfect team in NBA history, you’d have to have Steph Curry, Jordan and LeBron together to beat that team.
2015: no way in hell do the Cavs take this without Kyrie and Love, Jordans lack of playmaking and rebounding plus the 3PT shot would all be massive liabilities against these Warriors.
2016: if Kyrie plays great then the Cavs should win this, if Kyrie doesn’t then Warriors in 7.
2017 and 2018: no chance in hell, Cavs likely to get swept in both series.
2020: This is more circumstance, if this was prime Jordan then he would easily win but this is Jordan in the middle of his 2nd retirement. I don’t see how they would even make the Finals.
LeBron
1991: Win
1992: Win
1993: Win
1996: Win
1997: Win
1998: Win
Record: 6-0
The reasoning behind this is pretty simple, Jordan never faced much competition in the Finals, nearly all of his competition was in the East Playoffs so as long as LeBron makes the finals he will win. Really the only team that could beat them are the SuperSonics but that team was made to slow down and beat Jordan which they would of done if Gary Payton was guarding Jordan the whole series. But LeBron is a very different player to Jordan and his playmaking makes him unstoppable so they win. Not to mention the rules from the 90s heavily favour LeBrons game and if we weren’t just talking Finals series, LeBron would get a whole lot more than just 6 Championships.
No way that Jordan wins in 2015, 2016 or 2017 or maybe 2014. The Lebron takes are also trash. He isn't losing to the lakers lmao
he isnt getting stopped by a 32 year old hobbling injured parker and a 21 year old kawhi and a 36 year old duncan, and 2015 he would whoop that team as lebron choked
Jordan would win in 2015,2016, and 17 LMAO
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET he will not win with a 14 ppg d wade and 11 ppg bosh
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET bro fuck how old they were! Kawhi was the real fucking deal and everybody could see it you can't deny talent just to boost up mj he'd be easier to guard then lebron he's not nearly as big or strong and he doesn't facilitate kawhi is also bigger & stronger then mj i don't see any scenario where jordan cooks kawhi we've never seen. Kawhi level defender on mj! 6'2 180 pound gary payton ?? Thats his best defender
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET did u say lebron chocked in 2015? hahahaha did u even watch it? he was going brazy out there
If you add the conference finals i would give them almost the same record..
I started this video cause I wanted to see what happens. And I saw him riding jordan. 😭😭he ain’t beating warriors. He wont win a 1 championship back in Cleveland. And I think if mj played in lebron era he will barely win 3 championship. Game has changed. He will just be like a Demar derozan on steriods. And lebron would dominate the 90s winning at least 6 cause he will be in the finals every year for like 12-15 years straight.
Here’s a more realistic hypothetical:
MJ
2007 - Spurs in 4
2011 - W
2012 - W
2013 - W
2014 - Spurs in 4
2015 - Warriors in 6-7
2016 - Warriors in 6
2017 - Warriors in 5
2018 - Warriors in 5
Lebron
91 - Bulls in 6
92 - Bulls in 5
93 - Bulls in 5
96 - Bulls in 4
97 - Bulls in 5
98 - Bulls in 6
That aint realistic at all. Nice try i/diotic Lebron stan
Btw your band sucks
@@deepwaterrehab7685 awwww did i struck a nerve you walking anus?
I see what you were trying to say with Jordan guarding KD but where you messed up is that you left out the impact of Steph and Klay like they were nonfactors
Jeffrey Simmons I don’t even understand Jordan guarding KD 😂😂😂 Jordan was great defensively but come on let’s be real here, Jordan couldn’t guard KD. To small
I don't think Jordan would have shut him down just slowed him down a little I feel like ppl think Jordan can guard every position like hes 6'6 Kd is dang near 7 foot
Jeffrey Simmons he literally brought up that one game P Beverly “strapped” up KD and didn’t he stop 50 the next game 😂. I’m sorry even kawhi was struggling to guard Kd when he was healthy and people compare him to Jordan on defense the most lol. It would’ve been a loss with Jordan either way
Jeffrey Simmons Jordan sucked at guarding guys who were bigger than him. Not hate it’s a fact he got killed if you had a weight and or height advantage. He couldn’t slow down the likes of Grant Hill how is he going to stop Hill who is looking to score and has unbelievable range and a better handle? Spoilers he won’t
I don’t think MJ would beat the 2014 spurs (cause Kawhi was a lockup defender, TD is still the fundamental and their core was always really good) 2016 Warriors because for Lebron to beat them, he had to average a 40 point triple double for the last 3 games, and no way MJ would beat the 4 headed monster in the 2017 warriors
W
Role reversed
LeBron 6-0 or at least 4-2
MJ 8-2 or at least 7-3
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It could've been a really good hypothetical situation up until he said that jordan and the miami heat will beat the spurs in 2013-14 finals. I just don't think that i won't happen. Many factors can happen like fatigue and injuries to other stars. Having to 3-peat is already a heavy wear and tear to the body of players. Even MJ in his two 3-peats had to recover and play baseball to have his youth back and his form being better than ever. There's just no way that they'll be taking that 4-peat.
Wasnt a problem for MJ's Bulls in the 90s
And playing baseball isnt recovering and he's older and doesnt have the explosiveness and quickness he had when he was younger you dope
LMAO I know MJ is the goat and all but NOOOOO FCKING SHOT.
Nooo fucking way he beats The Warriors without help, and The Warriors with KD. Mavs series would probably be the only one that changes in the MJ LBJ switch. Spurs would have probably won because you kept saying Pop would force MJ to be a jump shooter but if Pop went up against MJ he would habe done a different plan altogether. Why have a man that can shoot and score from every be forced to be a jump shooter?
After seeing you say MJ would've beaten GSW 2015 I stopped watching......Lebron averaged 36 PPG that series..
Meshack Mihayo i see MJ averaging over 40ppg. Between him and Kobe being one of the best scorers in the game and could lock down or guard your best player. I see MJ winning more than 3 rings if he were in Bron's shoes fasho.
below 40% from the field
@@fashion3745 he averaged almost 9 assists and 13 rebounds to go along with that
And if u think LeBron would be soft in the 90s (hypothetically)going up against tough not good Knicks,pistons,etc
Lol at the My Hero Academia theme