Pharmacy Schools Accepting Everyone - Too Easy
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- In this video Paul Tran talks about the PharmCas Statistics with pharmacy school admission rates.
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Funny when my boss was retail hiring in the eighties, he only hired “C” students. He said they had better personalities than “A” students.
I understand the stats, but I honestly disagree. Many people apply to pharmacy school because they're passionate about medicine, about working in retail or in a lab innovating medicine, NOT to be doctors in a hospital. Pharmacy school is accepting "more" people because there are more pharmacy schools around that want students. Back then, there weren't as many pharmacy schools, which has a significant effect on why more people are getting accepted to pharmacy schools. Some pharmacy schools are not requiring the PCAT because exams like MCAT, PCAT, and SAT, are bad exams. Exams like those don't necessarily measure someone's abilities. Everyone is different when it comes to knowledge and IQ. Lastly, pharmacy school is still competitive, applicants still have to meet every single requirement to be admitted, they still have to go through the interview process including not only a simple interview but also ethical dilemmas, writing a personal statement on the spot, and a health reasoning exam.
If you want to innovate medicine get a PHD. Pharmacy schools accept more people because there is no regulating body like the AAMC to make sure that the disparity between residency spots and medical school admits is not too high. Pharm schools care about money. More students = more tuition
IQ is not a good measure of intelligence
I agree with you. Because even if you're automatically accepted, you aren't automatically passing. And if you do pass you still actually have to know what you are doing to get the job. I know someone who has a very good bachelors degree in healthcare and passed. But cheated their way thru, knows nothing and can't do the job that would have started them at 97k. And his program was competitive. So I think it's less about competitive and more about actually being competent.
Great information, I tell everyone who asks to seriously research the state of the profession now, and not just what any particular PharmD school says.
Good to have you back, Paul. Please keep sharing the content. What these schools are doing to poach students isn't right. I don't know how they can justify saddling down students with all of these loans.
Hi Paul, this is a very informative video and thank you for sharing! I am a current Canadian pharmacy student. I can't speak for pharmacy schools in the US, but here in Canada, pharmacy programs are definitely still VERY competitive. I know many students who have applied to pharmacy programs for 4 YEARS/CYCLES before they got accepted. Also, in my opinion, every profession is competitive, and not just pharmacy. A few months ago I came across this inspirational message: "there will always be a place for those who are good at what they do". I love this and will always live by this quote. Even though it is important to consider the career prospects of the profession that you want to go into, I personally think that it is better to go into a profession that you truly love because if you love it, you will from the bottom of your heart, want to be good at it, and you will have motivation to strive for the best you can be. THIS is what makes you a competitive candidate for jobs. Thanks for reading my long rant :) ~Cecilia
Hii Cecilia I plan on doing pharmacy in Canada, is there a way I could get into contact w you I have a few questions!!
My school took away the PCAT requirement and is now allowing students to join in the middle of January if they couldn't get in for Fall
What school is that
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Why is it so easy now? Because the pharmacy schools need your money; that is it! They know that the demand is very low now after you get PharmD degree. I know someone with PharmD degree, was graduated from Boston, MA; he has to drive Uber. With the loan over $200K; he is very stressful now. While other guy got B.S in Nursing; he can make $55/hr after 1 year experience in nursing home. Now, it is your choice.
Technically it really only matters when you are being hired, passing your naplex, and CPJE. People who can't make it will not survive pharmacy school and in the end that will weed them out. And those who do make it, but obviously not qualified for the job will eventually be let go. It's not about exactly getting accepted into the school, but what makes one competent in any field is continuous self-improvement.
Thank you Paul. Keep up with the good videos. :)
It makes me wonder "Am I competing this position with a bunch of students like this?"
Because I have a much more higher GPA than the 2.0 that you mentioned, haha.
It really hurts feelings for those who truly have passion for becoming a pharmacist.
Even though the rate of acceptance is increased, people still have to study for four years, pass the naplex, CPJE and go for rotation. If they are not qualify, these things will kill them
Oanh Nguyen this is true. I struggled a lot in undergrad trying to balance 3 jobs and majoring in chemistry so my stats were not great and I did ok on the PCAT. One school gave me a chance despite my stats and I did extremely well, graduating magna cum laude, scoring high on the NAPLEX and attaining a great residency right after. So I don’t think looking down on those with lower stats is a fair thing. Some people have lots of struggles. Plus like this comment stated, they still have to pass pharmacy school and the exams.
Your ads might be a result of cookies, but this is a crazy video 😵
The opposite is happening up here in Canada ahah - it keeps getting harder and harder to get in
Thanks for the info, but your reason to have pharmacy school as a plan B doesn't make much sense. "Have pharmacy school as a plan B because it is easy to get in"? "Apply to something that you are actually passionate about?"
So you are trying to say that when there is a high probability that you will achieve something it takes away your passion? well, that might be your case, but for me having a pharmacy school wanting to accept me it's not a factor to feel less passionate about the career. If that is how you feel then it means you are going to the career for the wrong reasons
I would urge people to apply to be physician assistants or nurse practitioners. More hospitals are hiring them instead of physicians because they require less pay. Also, look into nurse anesthetist- they are replacing anesthesiologists at quite high rates.
Depends on the speciality. Physicians are still getting hired.
I agree. I withdrew from UofA pharmacy just before the first semester started. Now I'm studying MS entry to nursing and looking to apply to NP school soon. I feel a lot better about this path.
@@GBJHMVLCJ Good job for cutting your loss. Only the asinine people apply to pharmacy school. Someone I know opened her own clinic after getting her Doctorate of Nursing. All the BS about pharmacist getting prescriber status. Yeah....the PA, NP, and MD will want to give up that piece of pie to the pharmacist.
@ubu 9 NP is ending their masters program. Everyone have to their doctorates. DNP can start their own practice without a MD. Why would NP career collapse?
@@user-lu6yg3vk9z PA and DNP is able to diversify into other clinical work that pharmacist can't because we are way too specialized. Their saturation will not destroy their field like pharmacy.
Your referenced statistic was precise. But how long have you been out of touch from pharmacy schools? Do you know what is behind the scene in admissions? Not all pharmacy schools are accepting students with a 2.0 and removing PCAT and eliminating assays, without first having alternative benchmark measurements. In fact, the ACPE accreditation standard monitors each school's admission criteria in its accreditation evaluation. Those schools that do not demonstrate adequate admission standards will have a hard time receiving full 8-year re-accreditation. In terms of your ad comments. FB and other social media were only starting 10 years ago when you were applying to pharmacy schools. The AI technology was not sophisticated enough to adapt to your browser preference to show you adaptive ads. Since you are likely looking up pharmacy school information and data to prepare your videos. FB is more than likely to be utilizing your browsing records to display pharmacy school ads to you. It is not automatically in as you said. The content in pharmacy school is more challenging then it was 10 years ago. Just look at how many more diabetes drugs and biologics have been approved since you graduated in 2012. Those students that are weak will not make into their later professional years. The NAPLEX is not a 6-hour exam, compares to the one you took, which was a 3-hours exam. To say pharmacy school is not challenging is an understatement.
dental student here. this field is starting to mirror pharmacy as well, albeit I don't think it will ever be as bad as pharm.
it can. It is a slower process since it is more expensive to open up a dental school, but there have been many new dental schools open up in recent years with low admission requirements.
Dental school is heading towards that direction specially after these dental influencers are really catching the attention of many young viewers
Curious about NAPLEX pass rates and those stats in the years to come.
I have wondered the same thing. I do believe the Naplex will be dumbed down but even then there will some schools that have a really poor pass rate.
This is facts, Im a P3, and I cannot believe the students that were admitted the year below me. Heard that most of them failed an intro course. Seems like anyone can get into pharmacy school now. Not good.
Can you do a video on provider status for pharmacists and how that may impact the future of the profession? I know some states already have provider status but a lot don’t.
It’s never going happen.
It's a false hopes pharmacy schools used to justify opening new schools. Second is MTM
So sad, but it does not look like pharmacy will get provider status. Nursing has been sabotaging pharmacy for decades to insure their own success at becoming mid-level practitioners.
@@403woak There is really no need anymore since A.I. will replace majority of Pharmacists.
I just got accepted into pharmacy school, and this is super discouraging to hear. If my MCAT score is very high, I will pursue a MD route instead
I read an interesting idea regarding pharmacy. This is a short version of what I remember with a few of my own points added.
What pharmacy should have done is bring back the bachelors in pharmacy and use this more of a dispensing degree in which whoever graduates from this program would most likely end up in a community setting. While those who wanted more of a clinical position could pursue a Pharm.D. This would replace the retail pharmacists, and clinical pharmacists with a formal differentiation. I believe this stems from the idea that pharmacists do not use a lot of their knowledge from school in a retail setting. Bs Pharm would make around 50-60k/yr while Pharm.D would be around 100-120k/yr.
The bachelors in pharmacy would be 4 years in length; 3.5 years coursework, 0.5 year of community based rotations. The pharmD would be 6-7 year program total(2 years undergrad + 3 years PharmD course work, 1 year rotations +residency if desired). Like any major in college, you can choose to major in a bs.c program, however you would need to take some sort of competency exam to be licensed in order to work (this is to try and limit those who are incompetent enough to dispense). However with the Pharm.D it would be exactly how it is now in which you would apply for a program you get accepted, and start pursuing your pharm.D.
I think the whole premise of this idea is to limit the saturation of pharmacy to retail/community based practices. I know this will probably never happen, but I thought it was a pretty neat idea.
It sounds good in theory, but then what would happen to all the PharmDs jobs and pay currently working in a retail setting.
@@anilfrank809 yeah I agree. I think this would have a better route to go for when they were transitioning from the bsc to a pharmD
@Karmen first of all this isn't "my" idea, but rather me sharing an interesting perspective of someone else. I added a few logistical points of my own to make it seem more realistic. If you read the first paragraph I stated such.
Second of all, In this model, It never claimed to be a solution to anything, however you could conclude that what was said in the end could be considered a "solution" to the entire saturation of the pharmacy market and give a little more prestige to the PharmD. Yet due to the increase in pharmacy schools and 15k graduates graduating with a PharmD, big companies like CVS, Walgreens can take advantage of these new graduates who are 200k+ debt by hiring for lower pay. By utilizing the BS pharm, it can limit the amount of debt for a student who wants to work in the community and the pay will be more accurate in terms of credentials. Because 60-70k for a bachelors is good but 70-80k for a doctorates is just unacceptable.
Third of all, I am fully aware of what a community pharmacist and I appreciate everything they do for the community. In terms of patient care, I understand that this may be more of a detriment rather than a benefit. In many countries, pharmacy is still a bachelors and many countries seem to be fine doing it. Which is why I said this was an interesting idea.
Do you think this may apply for UF pharmacy school ?
Getting into pharmacy school is one thing. Passing those difficult classes and the exams are another, which is the real test of a student’s ability.
Even if they pass they still will be unemployed so, why waste your money and time?
Zero standards. It Is a money grab now. I got banned from reddit just for stating it is not so good anymore.
My school took away the PCAT this year and they actually extended the deadline because they didn’t have enough seats filled for the year. My year was actually the last year that they accepted the PCAT. I was actually surprised the makers of the PCAT were okay with that because that’s a money maker too.
What year are you in? You might want to dropout.
@@user-lu6yg3vk9z I'm in my second year
Which country?
@@aa7352 The US
It's even worse now. I mean with those numbers you might as well be a tech. No debt either.
I’m so confused about the job market. University at Buffalo, their Pharmacy school just posted on their IG saying that Pharmacy is the number 1 highest paying in the US. Isn’t the job market super saturated??? Some say is and some say is not.
Karmen. I understand that. The info they obtained is from CNBC. Thats the confusing part. If it’s saturated, how come pharmacists are making that amount??? I
Yue Yue it’s all lies
@@yueyue7514 : Things are going to change soon. The big chains are in the process of shrinking pharmacist salaries. At some point, the return on investment will be too low for a doctorate education. I hope the excess pharmacy schools close. Also, I am afraid the the chains trying to create an advanced technician that can dispense without pharmacist supervision.
@@403woak The state boards of pharmacy determine who can and cannot dispense. The chains cannot create an "advanced technician" to dispense.
@@DrHongsPharmacyClassroom The chains can buy the state board of pharmacy to allow tech to dispense.
OMG!! This is really sad!!
If i was trying to macimize profits at a for profit school, my goal is.to.fill classes regardless of the quality and they dont csre if they have jobs or not. It is a shoet.sighted strategy for.the schools but.they don't care.
I know students who have never even held a job or talked to customers, before applying to pharmacy schools with C's and B's. So of the dumbest bunch of students who don't even know what they want to do or how working in retail is like. These same students are receiving seat offers from just about every school they have applied to. This is a dead field and machines will replace everyone in the pharmacy.
You still struggling to find work? Are your Pharamcists able to find work or are they still at there old jobs before going to Pharmacy School?
@@user-lu6yg3vk9z $47/hour with no guaranteed hours. With $240,000+ in loans with INTEREST.
Impossible to pay off.
@@sharkparty1027 Yeah with Taxes and living expenses.
@@sharkparty1027 how many hours are averaging a week?
@@user-lu6yg3vk9z Less than 20.
Hello, please help me I have a supplicant 96 out of 100 in school. I want to study pharmacy, please, can I be in any country? 💔😭😭
This has happened to dentistry (though not as bad...yet) also within the past 10 years. Blame it on the Obama administration policy of government guaranteeing loans regardless of the cost and what the job prospects are. This has caused tuitions to rise dramatically (also an occurrence in undergraduate schools). For dentistry (and pharmacy as well), this has caused a lot of massive expensive schools to open up which are simply money making operations. This is terrible for the profession. We have to go back to majority privately funded tuitions rather than government guaranteeing everything. USC/NYU dentistry cost approximately 145-150USD in the first year alone to attend dental school and their admission requirements are very low.
Greedy pharmacy schools! Pharmacist career is going to be a low paying job.
Yes. The schools have been deceiving potential students about the future of pharmacy.
Still lower than nursing school
Paul you became a pharmacist and you earn a good salary.....why discourage people....becoming an MD is much harder and longer than Pharm D....pharmacy is pretty clean you don't have to deal w blood and body fluids...etc....anyways you put your nose to the grindstone to become a well paid pharmacist....now you make videos discouraging people from trying to do the same as you....WHY????