Porsche 911 Vs Toyota Supra Mk2: Daily Driven Classics Battle
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- What makes the best daily driven classic car? My top two choices are the G50 Porsche 911 and a Toyota Supra MkII. I give the pro's and con's of each car as these are personal cars for at least 6 months. Life is too short to drive a boring car!
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00:00 Introduction Best Daily Driven Classics
01:03 Things the supra is better at than a 911
04:31 Biggest DIfferences between Supra and 911
06:17 Steering Wheel Feedback
08:13 Quirky things about these classic cars
13:01 Engine performance differences
13:57 How I decide which car to drive
15:10 Interior noise at freeway speeds comparison
16:32 Clutch Pedal Pressure Test
17:30 Why old cars are better than new cars 
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Please vote for your favorite. Supra or 911 or something else from the 80's.
I cannot believe how clean both of those are, but that Supra is bonkers! Gorgeous cars.
Thanks!
I can't believe this hit my feed. My buddy actually drives his 85 Supra all week and has a basalt black 911 anniv edition he gets out on weekends. Sharing this video with him right now 😊
Wow small world! I'm curious if he has the same opinions.
I have an 85 Supra same color 2jz swapped and did lots of racing 15-20 years ago. My parents bought it new in May 85 and I drove to prom. Great cars!
Very cool. How did the differential and trans hold up? Turbo? How much power?
When I was in highschool my girlfriend's Mother had a black on black Supra Turbo and it hauled ass. I never got to drive it but I will never forget how good she looked.
I joined the Air Force after graduation and was stationed in Germany where a friend of mine had one in silver. He let me take it on the Autobahn and I got it up to 120mph. It handled like a dream.
Nice, I love to hear about experiences when these were new. People ask me all the time if I'm the original owner. I wish it was yes!
I’d take the MK II Supra all day every day.
Wonderful to see such a solid example of the 85 Mk II Supra. Loved mine dearly as my daily driver back in the day. Was great to hear you mention how practical the rear hatchback area is. I used to bring my mountain bike along without even having to remove the front tire. One feature I miss to this day was that power sunroof. My later Mk III Supra had a Targa top, but I hardly ever bothered with it. Whereas the power sunroof of the MK II got a lot of use and never leaked. Overall such a strikingly good looking car. Aggressive in an angular way we don't see anymore. Plus the fun of those pop up headlights, which always sounded amazing when they deployed. Other great MK II features: the full size spare and the engine bay work light.
All great things you mention about the Supra! The hatch is so practical for trips to home depot, etc. I have a small pad that fits over the center console and I can stick things out the back. The hatch actually has tie downs unlike new cars. It's dangerous for long distances, but for a 3 mile haul it's great.
The fuel injection and engine in this car is so good. I'm really loving it.
Working on a mk3 supra now days. Great to see the content.
Very cool. Thanks for watching, I'll do a few videos on this car for sure.
I’m in Atlanta and had an 89 911 coupe back in the early 00s. It was a challenging daily. Traffic sucked and the ac was nonexistent. In the summer I’d have to turn the car off in bumper to bumper for the oil temp even with the wheel well radiator and fan. I would be on the verge of heat stroke some days. I was in my early 20s so I could somewhat handle it. If I were to do it now, I’d get a manual switch for that wheel well radiator fan and electric AC. I had an 86 targa since and currently an 84 targa. I like the spring clutch is so much easier on me. I remember that hydraulic clutch killing me in traffic. It took so much effort. I don’t mind the 915 over the g50 (even though the g50 was so smooth and satisfying to shift) so I’ll stick with the spring clutch. For my second car, I’ve always kept a Honda CRX and r12 AC. B16A is a great engine. I upgraded from the USDM CRX in 2008 to a rhd JDM SiR. I guess I’m drawn to the most impractical forms of transportation.
I love the CRX too. Thanks for the feedback on your 911 experiences. They do run hot.
Smog equipment on the later cars is often blamed for higher temps.
915's are good transmission too.
Beautiful machines. Better years/decades/ times in the USA
Thank you, the 80's were awesome 👍
Tom, Loved the video! and your cars=)
I had a 84 Toyota Supra I bought new back in the day. Red with black and gray interior. I absolutely loved that car.
The 2nd Gen Supra was a beautiful design and will be a favorite with collectors for years to come.
Keep up the great work and keep the smiles coming=)
Cheers!
Good to hear from you Mike. You are lucky to own a new one! If you are interested HB again give me call. You can drive it to lunch .
@@GarageTimeAutoResto Sounds great Tom! next time in HB I will give you a shout. Enjoy that Supra!=)
Classic retrofit is coming out with an electric heating and a/c system this coming winter for g body cars. This is a game changer. No more heat exchangers and a major weight savings. Love to see a video install in the future
I hope it works well with the new updated version.
So dope to have the cars u want. Respects! The comparison is pretty much what I thought. Consumer car vs hot rod. Keep enjoying!!!
Thank you, fun cars for sure, but this one is my hot rod😀
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I was not expecting this comparison... Looking forward to it. I do miss my 83 supra.
Cool, im really enjoying both of them
Nice cars tom! I'd go with the Supra. - Harley
Thx😀
Now we can be friends!
I totally agree about older vehicles. I have a ‘82 FJ40 that I preffer to drive over my ‘19 Tundra. No power steering, ABS, Air conditioning and radio. Completely analog with the exception of the electonic ignition.
Oh good! Let's be friends. A FJ40 sounds like so much analog fun. Old cars are better for sure.
This video only included my daily drivers, my favorite driving car is the 1964! It's like autopia at Disneyland.
I love the MK2 Supra. If I had one today, I'd daily that every time before my SC. The ergonomics in the 911 for me just don't work as a six footer. The gear shift, steering wheel, and dash are too far away (I can't sit crunched up). I used the longer momo hub adapter and a shifter lever extension to make it more comfortable. Ergo not being an issue, the 911 hands down is way more fun to drive.
The Supra does feel more spacious and easy to reach everything. I forgot to mention the tilt column in the Supra.
I also totally agree the 911 drives better and is more fun.
Another vote for the Supra. Wanted a weeknd toy and bought an 85 MK2 Supra. Fantastic car.
Nice and thanks for voting. Also loving my Supra ♥️
Kudos to you for going back and forth between these two manuals. I think you understate how different the Porsche pedals feel.
I borrowed my friend's '76 911 a few years back, and stalled it so much until I got used to the pedal setup.
Then I stalled my own car a few times when I went back to it after driving the Porshe a while😂
You are right, it does take some time when switching between cars. Actually I have four manual cars. 😃
Nice video! I am disappointed the Supra's steering is not more responsive, but I think that was common for that era....
Yeah, I wonder if anyone's out a larger pulley on the ps pump to reduce the pressure? Or would that only work at lower speeds? I haven't looked into ways to improve it yet.
Agreed!! I enjoy driving my old metal, '85 Corolla and '02 Focus SVT, and others to follow ( 4 additional projects). Excellent content and simple to, the point, subscribed.
Great, thx for being here. It's not really a car review channel. More of a get hard projects done channel
The 911 is worth 3 times the Supra? Absolutely.
Toyota has better quality
15:03 … that’s only because it’s rarer to see them. That Supra is a good looking vehicle and a surprise to see in your condition but the 911 is way more legendary. I’d take the 911 any day…
They made 115k of the mk 2 supra! Maybe around the same number of 911's but over a much longer production run. 74-89
I like the supra because it was simply the better developped car,and it s more unique.and i'm a porsche guy myself😅
Cool, Toyota tried really hard on this car and this was the best model they offered in 1986.
Lotus designed suspension, limited slip diff, aggressive fender flares, 6 cyl, Bosch EFI, great w58 trans.
It's a bit heavy at 2844 lbs with only 160hp, but perfectly fine as a daily driver.
The G body 911 was becoming dated towards the end of the 80's.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto here in europe plrsche was really dead with the 911 in the 80ties,the 944 was a welcome desingn piece of art.i really like the toyota because it's special design😎
The wedge design was a hit with a few automakers, but I really like the Supra the best.
Tom, you’re good at car reviews. Your conversational style is refreshing. I wonder if being in SoCal has something to do with why you get more comments on the Supra? 911’s are rare in so much of the rest of the country. My vote is for the Porsche, Japanese cars are just too sanitary for me. Really looking forward to learning the fate of the throttle bodies.
Thank you and thanks for voting. SoCal is a hotbed for Porsches and they are everywhere, even classics. I think the Toyota is less pretentious and more approachable too, so people are more likely to chat about it.
This is one of the few Toyotas that had aggressive styling for that era. This one is the P-type with wider flares etc. I think they did a good job with it. I like it more than later supra which look very different
No news on the throttle body fix, but will keep everyone updated as I know more.
I had 205,000 pleasant miles out of my '84 Supra until a clown drove into it. Apart from routine maintenance, it needed an alternator, wiper motor and a fuel pump. Try that in a 911 and it would require a lot of expensive repairs. PS the E36 M3 that replaced it was faster and better handling, but a lot of failures and a lot of money to keep on the road.
Bummer about the supras.demise. Yes German cars are expensive to maintain. Just the parts add up if doing the work yourself.
So since I've been asked to vote. Since I had the title and car, I should have just kept the Supra. I do miss my 87 Celica GTS. I do prefer rear engined cars though.
Ha ha, thanks for your help acquiring this car 😀🙏
Both cars are great but my vote is for the 911 (MAC in particular). IMHO, new cars are depreciating asset appliances and will never have the appeal these cars share.
Totally agree. MAC is by far the most exciting to drive, but not necessarily the best daily driver. Maybe with ear plugs??
Some like the new Koran EVs are appliances, but there are plenty of new cars that will be classic and sought after eventually. I don’t know how old you are but I’m in my 40s and I built cars in the early 2000s that are very expensive now, me and my car buddies used to sit in our garages and debate this very thing, which cars were gonna go up in value and which we should just get rid of now, will Japanese cars ever be “classic” and expensive the way a 69 Camaro is? After 25 years I can confidently say, any vehicle that is rare will go up in value.
I agree there are some good cars today that will be collectibles. Wish we all had crystal balls, but like you said anything low production with good power to weight will do well.
I love your Supra. Love it!
Thank you! Me too.
I have an 85 Supra that I'll have forever. Yours is in far better condition than mine as mines been a daily driver for the last 10 years at least plus over the years my dearly departed dog left a mountain of fur in it and holes in the passenger arm rest through standing on it while hanging its head out the window as we traveled all over the countryside. Took the original 5me engine (as opposed to 5mge) out after it's 3rd or 4th blown head gasket in 18 months and threw it in the bin. Dreadful engine. Put a 1jz in it. Extra 70 hp for free and it cruises like a dream. It's a great car not that there's many of them left here in Australia at least. Just wanted to say that they have the most comfortable seats possibly of all time. Can drive long distances which I often do and no numb bum sore legs no nothing. The driver's seat has 8 different adjustments you can make. Mine are some sort of material though. They're not leather. Not a fan of leather. Only downside to mine is in the wet weather it's hopeless even with its Lotus rear end. There is no weight in the back so going around corners in the wet is always an experience. One more thing the spoiler you mentioned on the hatch is actually a sunshade to stop people in the back seat cooking on a hot day. Love your Supra. Long may it live.
Very cool that you love your Supra too. The 1JZ/2JZ engine is so tempting. How difficult were the mounts and wiring?
I love the seats too.
The keylock is for antitheft. Because it's in japan a rhd, so one could open the door and steal the key. Just like in your 911 cause it's on the left😂
Steal the key of a running car? That's the worst car jacking idea ever. 🤣
Love the color of your 911. I had an '88 cab in Guards Red which I regret selling. Beautiful cars!
Thanks, I had a red 89 prior to this one. ruclips.net/video/mnNWLWXihwI/видео.html
My vote? I vote you give your son the 911. Which of the three would he take, if he could. Thats who should give us the truth. What would a young guy right now choose.
Also, I have an 87 3.2 Carerra coupe with air conditioning and modern head unit with upgraded speakers, but no cup holder. There is no other car I’d choose over it for daily driving. I 100% love it. I owned an 84 coupe and 89 Celica convertible (alas, not Supra) 30 years ago and they were great. But if you HAD to choose ONE car only, which would you choose? Also, fwiw, excellent effort shooting, editing, and discussing, these cars. You’re good at this. Cheers
Thank you. My youngest son just graduated high school and he and his friends like the Supra more. It appeals to a younger generation for some reason.
The 911 is certainly the better car in my opinion. I also plan to upgrade the A/C in this 911 and the sound too. Then it only comes down to which car has more gas in it😀
I really like them both if I had to only keep one it would be the 911. And I already have an early 911.
I vote for the 911. But for a daily….probably the Toyota- they are just built different. I have a 300tdi, E30, 912 (project) and Toyota Corolla. I daily drive the Corolla cause it simply works and doesn’t ask for much. Unlike the others who require lots of little odds and ends.
Thanks for voting and you have good taste in cars. The Mk2 supra made a big splash when it was new, but it's hard to keep up with the 911 that's been improving since 1965.
The Toyota is a JDM classic, rarer and much more reliable. People heads will turn for it, unlike the dated 911.
Those seats!
Thanks, do you like the 911 sport seats or the supras?
You have so many awesome vehicles
Thank you 🤗
Amazing cars and brave to drive daily. Nice
Thank you🙏
I've owned both cars and loved both 👍
Very cool, I love them too.
Toyotas are known for disconnected steering feel. You have to look to Honda, Mazda, and Nissan for a more connected road feel in my experience.
2010 Mazda 3 has good steering feel, but still not as good as the 911 in my opinion
@@GarageTimeAutoResto …I’ve never had the pleasure of driving a 911. It’s definitely on my “bucket list”. Best handling car I’ve driven was the BMW Zed 4. Super simple to work on as well.
These are fine if you don’t do any driving beyond low speed short commutes, but man I’d hate to be in any significant accident. Having a moron recently barrel into my Lexus IS I was very thankful for designed crumple zones.
Wow, yes you could go to a car lot and get a quicker car, feel good about the 0-60 and quarter mile but never actually smile when you are driving. And, lose a bunch of ££££ or $$$$ while you are not enjoying yourself so much. There is so much in this video for people, including me to learn from. Chasing the latest tech, power bump is NOT ever going to lead to the driving nirvana you are looking for. Hats off to you for showing us the way
I'm touched by your comment and you said it well.
Ever wonder why hit country songs are often about old trucks and boats? They get it. Simple and old is better.
Every year a new car has to outperform the previous year or it won't sell. So after a decade the car is bloated and so jam packed full of tech that it does nothing well. Or even worse it nags you to do something that is totally unrelated to driving.
I much prefer my old cars.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto Thank you 🙏. Not sure if you’ve seen some of Peter Fritz’s content but the sentiment is the same, yes on the face of it about the cars we all love but really about how we all navigate life. Keep the content coming 👍
Hi Tom, enjoyed the video. Regarding the Supra, did you try plugging the hole in the button on the end of the lumbar bladder bulb with your thumb while squeezing the bulb? My Dad had an '83 Celica GTS with the same seats and I seem to recall that that was how the bulb operates. Hopefully it's as simple as that!
Thank you. No I haven't tried covering the hole. Will do and report back. This is why RUclips is so great👍
I agree, analog cars of yesteryear are vastly superior to todays modern computer chip loaded cars. Much easier to maintain and enjoy. The 911 has my vote of the two, but my 72 Jaguar beats them both. 😁
Of course a jag vote from the wrong decade from Jeff, ha ha. 1972 was a good year for me and cars too.😀
Super nice Supra. Your interiors are perfection. Ps. If you want to lighten the clutch on the 911, MPL makes a bored out billet clutch slave that takes about 30% of the pedal pressure. Have to import from UK or Germany, though.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that slave cylinder mod. I don't hate the 911 clutch pedal, but wow the supra is very soft in comparison. Also my 356 is very soft and it's non hydraulic.
Also I realized when editing this video I need to vacuum and clean these interiors😀
Sure thing, and just to be clear - I was being serious about the interior compliment. Cleaning aside (a little dirt shows you use the car which is good!) but leather, dashes everything looks factory perfect condition wise. My goal is to get both my type 3 vws and 911 nicer like yours.
Thank you and keep at it, you'll get there. I'm still improving these cars too.
Back in the day,I had an 82 supra mk2 with the performance package and those recaro lookalike seats... I loved the car but those seats really wrecked my lower back... didnt notice it right away, it took months of driving it for the lack of support to kick in..Got so bad for me that I couldnt even go for drives in it anymore as the pain was so bad,irregardless of how I adjusted things...initially, with all the seat adjustments, they seemed killer cool, How could they not? curious how your experience is over time... you wont notice it right away... in the end I had to sell it...got an 87 rx7 turbo which had the best Long term supportive seats I have ever experienced..
Hmm, I haven't noticed any problems with my back or the seats. Did the lumbar pump up not help?
Another commenter seemed to like the seats.
Longest I've been in them is about three hours straight.
Having once owned a Porsche for a daily driver I can say that nothing before or since measures up to the driving experience.
They are great cars. This one feels so much more refined than my earlier 911. Was yours driven when new?
I think this is the 1st time I've watched your channel & this was an interesting video. I've driven both cars (when they were new) & I'd be hard pressed to choose between them, because they're intended for different purposes. The 911 is supposed to be an exciting sports car, while the Supra is a comfortable grand touring car.
Something I CAN tell you though, it's not the trans gearing in the Supra that holds it back, it's the rear axle... 4.10 😞 Change that to something around 3.55 & you'll feel like you own an entirely
different car. P.S. I bought a 1985 Mustang GT convertible because I couldn't afford the 85 Supra but I'll always love & want a Supra.
My Supra is the P type 4.30 rear gears with limited slip.
I can change it to Cressida gears 3,55, but the engine also needs more power.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto Yes I agree the Mk2 Supra always needed more power. I yoo drove the P model but thought it's rear gear was 4:10 instead of 4.30.
As far as I'm concerened anything lower than 3.79 is usless & I say that having owned a 1983 Mustang GT with a 4.10 rear gear. which returned 12 MPG at BEST.
It's stamped on the engine bay placard. 4:.30 and 4.10 are both options.
I agree gas mileage isn't great with these low rear ends.
I had a Mk2 Supra back in the day. One of the cam seals blew out. I rebuilt the engine. A couple of years later, the same cam seal blew out. I ended up trading the car in. Not sure what caused the blown seals. The first time it happened, i just chalcked it up to worn seal, but obviously not correct.
Bummer about the seal problem. Maybe too much crankcase pressure.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto yeah, I don't remember how the PCV system worked on that car, but definitely something to check in your car. The same seal blew out twice, so maybe the seal housing was a bit oversized. I didn't think to check it. That was back in 1998 or so. That was a sweet car. Glad to see you enjoying yours.
As far as 911 vs Supra, definitely the 911! You can tune it to be a daily cruiser or to be a track monster. There is so much aftermarket support for the 911. Plus turns way more heads if you're into that. I had an 89 Carrera. Everyone, from little kids, to girls, moms, dads, and bike riders were into that car. The sound of the flat 6, the steering, the braking, all top notch. The AC not so much, gotta go aftermarket from what I hear.
The air-cooled 911's oil system is not "kind-of" a dry sump. It absolutely is and has been a feature of the car since it's introduction (up to that point). The water-cooled, (non-GT) flat-6's on the other hand do have a "sort of" dry sump.
The scavenger pump tries to get as much oil as possible back to the tank, but there is always some oil left in the crankcase. There's an entire service bulletin on how to prevent oil frothing so the pumps can do a better job. It's not a perfect system.
Yes yes yes No! 996 997 is not 'kind of' dry sump. It's simply a wet sump. With a scavenge pump in 1 head to sort of help. It's pitiful.
Just when I thought it couldn’t get cooler you got a frigging Mk2 Supra!!! Get a MK3!!!! I would kill for one. :/
Ooh, I actually bid on a mk3 and lost. I'm already wishing for a mk3 or Mk4 engine swap😀
@@GarageTimeAutoRestono please leave the 5m in it. you’re just gonna ruin the supra and devalue it. buy a crappier mk2 if that’s what you want to do.
I stay with the 911. But surely not for summer without AC
That's my challenge with this car. I have some upgraded AC components that should help it a lot. Will be hard to beat the supra though.
@@GarageTimeAutoResto my 911 doesn’t have AC, but I might think about installing an “electric” one. what do you think about it?
By the way, I also only drive my classic cars. I have two classic Mini, for the city (Madrid) and then my 911 for longer trips, I just love it, I am not really interested on modern cars anymore. And I build them for running them, not for leaving them parked on the garage
I've heard mixed feelings about the electric AC. Hopefully the new one coming out will be better.
Very good to hear that you are also enjoying old cars. I've never driven a mini but they look like so much fun.
80's Toyota are rare. I see way more classic 911s.
Strange because Toyota made a bunch. I guess they weren't cherished like many 911s.
Maybe a better comparison would be with the 944.
Sadly Toyotas from the 80s hVe no value
@Haffschlappe check out Toyota fest. There are some valuable ones there, but I'm sure people spend way more than they are worth fixing them up
Both cars are nice
Thank you👍
For taking out the key on the Supra that is so you won't forget your keys in the car that's why they did that
The beeping sound is enough!
911 clearly the better sports car but the Supra is good enough for me and more reliable. 911s not striking though quite good looking n way too common. Supra is rare n sharper looking. I know subjective.
The supra styling made a big splash when it was new and still hold up. The 911 styling was due for a refresh in the late 80's, but it's iconic and also timeless in my opinion.
Can we stretch a little into the 90s? I had a classic shape Subaru WRX which I adored until it was rear-ended by an inattentionate driver (total write-off.) What I'd give to have that little number back... (Edit: But I'd still pick the 911!)
Awe man, sorry to hear about your wrx ending. Even though there is so much 911 hype they are good fun cars.
Don't get me wrong, your Supra is lovely and in great shape too! I'm just a bit 911 obsessed. As a daily the Supra must do great.
The 911 is just way better and way more stylish then a toyota. I would not even put them into the same tier. Despite that driving old cars like these on daily bases would be a complete waste. They deserve the sunny Sundays driver status.
Life's too short to drive boring cars. What are we saving them for? We are likely the last generation to be able to drive them anyway
Do the maintenance and repairs and don't look back.
In EU from 2027 all Gas caes will be banned due to Schlaboubve laws
Non c'è storia: 911 tutta la vita
Is that Depeche Mode.
YES, either behind the wheel or route 66? I don't know the name of the song
Nothing like being pushed down the road!
Yes, ha ha.
I have the same car is not a 1985 Celica
This one is an 86 Celica Supra
is this a joke? 911 no contest
Is it? Because I would rather have the toyota
@@gherasimtibi The 911 is the exciting emotional classic, but I think that so much here indicates that the Supra is a better car
It's a tough comparison, but the Supra is tough to beat as a practical daily driver and still fun.
Better minus some performance. But more practical to carry things, etc.