Wooden Roller Coaster Construction, terms, and Maintenance
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- In this Video I go over basics of wooden rollercoaster construction, maintenance, track terms, train, grease used, and some stories. I also build a small model of how the track and structure are put together.
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first 5 mins is gold buddy
Great to know that your local lumber store sells healthy wood
This explains why old wood coasters were made on site!
Dude you should make a backyard wooden coaster. You have the knowledge and skill, it would probably be the best one ever made honestly.
@@ot.bot.249 I barely know what I’m doing when it comes to wood stuff.
@@ryantheridemechanic would be the perfect opportunity to learn those new skills!! Should definitely do it! Video the process and it could possibly even pay for itself!
@@burntjuggalas well the HOA would not approve it that’s for sure.
Wow I would have thought the footers had to go below the frost line. Thanks for the great content.
LOL. I'm laughing so hard in my office right now at the first 5 mins.... pretty sure my co-workers are like what is this guy doing lmfao.
@@seabass450 ha! Awesome!
Ryan, your amusement/theme park videos are golden. This time, you really hit the nail on the head! Wood coasters are my passion, and they have been since I was a kid of 9 years of age when I rode my first woodie in 1960, which was John Allen's SKYLINER at Roseland Park in Canandaigua, NY. I can easily say that your wood coaster video (attached) is my favorite. Thanks for yet another job well done!
@@51gary51 your welcome! Glad this one hit home for you!
This is quickly becoming my favorite channel
@@emmzu8366 thanks!
Perfect timing!! I've been researching wood coaster construction the last month or so, as I'm going to build a scale model of a coaster. I was thinking of reaching out to you for some specifics that I couldn't find information on, but reckon I'll watch this first!! Thanks Ryan.
One minor correction from somebody in the AEC industry. They are FOOTINGS, not footers. Pendantic, I know. Another great informative video and low-key hilarious.
I like your garage, your wood looked great in there
@@TrueLies23 ha!
This was a great video, thank you. The first ride i helped take care of was an old woodie. Always enjoyed doing track inspection first thing in the morning. The old timers used to oil the tracks by standing with their legs locked in the restraints and leaning over the front of the car with an oil can. Always wished i could try doing it that way 😅
@@jarettyuknalis301 I’ve seen that. Looks scary depending on the ride of course. Once you’ve ridden something enough all the adrenaline goes away and you brain says, I can do that no problem.
Dude I love your videos you lighten my day every time I watch you as I get to learn about my future for fun
@@SC52s that’s great! Thanks!
Your welcome its the price I pay for free education from you as you didn’t have to do this channel just showing my appreciation
Great Video Ryan!! And the explanation of the 2 strips of wood that rest on the Track Gauges makes a lot of sense. But something I've noticed on The Blue Streak at Cedar Point since the modifications that were done with the Trains that added additional weight. Headers/Ledgers have been anchored to the inside, and the outside of the vertical Bents. Especially where the G's are the greatest. And also anchored between the main Headers/Ledgers looks to be 3 Small Bents on each side of The Track in those areas. That was also done with Mean Streak before being converted into a Hybrid Rollercoaster. With the additional work done to Blue Streak as mentioned. It has reduced excessive Train bouncing. Sorry for the extra long response message. It's just something that wasn't meantioned in your video.
@@ellexking9136 that’s great! Response like this are what makes the channel for most people. Even myself. I don’t know all and try to accommodate most. So I love when people come back with more knowledge and add on to the info. That’s the true gold for everyone!
Awesome video!!! Thank you for sharing so much
Yaaaay I was hoping you'd do a video on wood coasters some day :)))
Awesome shop! Love this style of video.
From the clip at 38:28, Someone needs to teach that mechanic how to properly install lock washer lol.
@@Amerigo3356 not sure if your joking or not. But if not. The stack hardware on a lot of coaster is held in with a giant spring under the nut. So when the wood shrinks they keep tension. Honestly I’m not sure how they work, every one I’ve ever seen is crushed flat like a stack of washers. But if you listen them, they are springs !
@@ryantheridemechanic interesting. Makes sense.
Really like this video format, thanks for sharing. However, your coaster needs a name. My vote: Bent Erection.
@@scotthoffman5019 that’s a hard one.
watching this video from on top of the airgates
Wow, great video!! Very informative.
@@gametime2473 thanks!
In my experience as a woodworker, wood gets more brittle as it ages because the oils crystallize. I have some cocobolo that looks glittery.
@@walterandclaude interesting. Well the woodies worked on were typically oiled externally. Even though I didn’t want them to be. It was messy.
@ryantheridemechanic perhaps the difference is that my stuff isn't in the rain. Coaster wood is.
YAY< thanks for doing this one.....
@@Whatchamawhozit your welcome.
Good video, but I think I'm stuck in the 8th grade on this one😂.
Giggling like a middle schooler. He did that on purpose! 🤣
@Skawn7125 I figured, lol I mean I sure as heck would have. That's why I say I dislike wooden. coasters and not woodies. as that would be a lie, lol
I wondered what color tool guy you were.. looks like you’re team yellow!
@@cameronwillis2567 I don’t understand this?
@@ryantheridemechanic You're a DeWalt guy
@@sharkheadism ah! Got it. I do have several DeWalt tools.
Ryan, have you ever riden The Boss at St Louis? There are 3 spots where the top of your head vibrates so intense it feels like a brain freeze, like eating too much ice cream too fast. Its a woodie.
@@MrClutch440T4 I have not. Sounds loose
Most coaster wood is indeed SYP. GCI in particular has begun offering a more durable wood for use in the laminate layers though for parks willing to pay for it. Reducing the retrack need.
@@Danrarbc always hard to swallow big wood.
Loads.
The cost of the big wood loads.
That’s not better.
@@ryantheridemechanic And Gravity Group is doing the thing you say you might not want to do at 29:00. Making the laminate stack vertical instead of horizontal and precutting curves in to the pieces. This is similar to the Intamin prefab product but much less complex to manufacture. In areas when the load is primarily vertical this results in a much longer lasting laminate. This can also be used in curves but they keep the stack horizontal in that case. This precut product seems to be a hit with Cedar Flags using for all kinds of woodie restorations.
@@Danrarbc maybe something has changed. Really puts all the hardware out to the side instead of the bottom. As long as you can anchor the top wood well enough it will work. Hmm interesting.
@@ryantheridemechanic Indeed. The techniques for holding the running steel plate in the video are still used. But for the main running surface you have to be a bit more careful to make sure that bolt is running through one board as opposed to being accidentally offset and running between them - which would likely force the stack apart. Also the laminate is the only thing premanufactured - the top board is still cut and installed on site. There’s video of Gravity Group discussing the precut track at IAAPA. This type of product is only possible due to the computer modeling done today - even for a woodie the forces and design can be hammered out before a single screw, bolt or board is purchased. These boards are cut with CNC machines for precision. In the event the laminate wears down and you need a new board they prefer you order that section from them rather than trying to cut your own since you’re likely not going to have the detailed model to get the shape perfect - I’m sure Six Flags would just have a carpenter use the original piece as a cutting guide though, never mind the shrinkage that probably would make the new board out of spec.
@@Danrarbc very good point wonder if they use some sort of large plate washer underneath just in case. Those 22in drill bits wonder all over inside the wood.
I was wondering about the Gravity Group vertically stacked track.
I wonder if the person who sent that clip of the RMC was asking about the squeek, because Wildcat's Revenge was squeeking every lap at the end of August.
@@mpf1947 a lot of squeaks on an RMC come down to the train running the steel.
Thanks for this video! It was amazing. You should work for RMC! Have you ever thought about something like that? Working for a manufacturer?
@@christiwright3604 well i would but i dont want to relocate. It’s just not my thing.
@@ryantheridemechanic I completely get it! Once you put down roots it’s hard to move. Me I like to move to different areas!
Hilarious watching a guy in his (I'd guess) 40s making sure to put enough teenage jokes in when it comes to the subject of "wood". 🤣
But you can say what you want, first the brake, now this - you can't convince me that you aren't already planning a backyard coaster. If you do, remember to invite your early subscribers for a ride once it's running. 😎
On a more serious note, one thing just now occurred to me. Arrow built steel coasters with the guide wheels running inside the track, while everybody else* has them running on the outside. With Arrow pioneering the tubular steel track back in the day, I wonder if they simply copied the arrangement that was common on wooden coasters of that time. While others, joining the steel market later, realized that track is easier to make and more robust if you have the guide wheels run on the outside.
*) I know, Vekoma does the same on anything MK-1200 and similar, but they got that track design from Arrow, Morgan did, but Dana Morgan is the son of Ed Morgan, one of Arrow's founders, and Chance did it on their Hyper-GTX... but who acquired Morgan when they went out of business? Right, the folks in Wichita did - so all of these styles somehow link back to Arrow.
Oh, by the way, the "Topper Track" is not an older design of RMC compared to IBox... in fact, New Texas Giant, their first project, is IBox. But it's fair to say that this is the way more successful product, they only made 4 Topper Track coasters, and one has since been changed to mostly IBox...
@@Colaholiker my brain is always in the gutter even at 43! I enjoy making jokes so I’ll poke at the low hanging fruit from time to time.
In order to step away from the inbound rails like arrow / Vekoma, they had to completely redesign the train to ride on top of the track instead of inside of it. I feel that’s one of the main reasons for that design, everything is smaller and compact with less stress. That’s just a guess. Now later revisions they stepped out of that comfort zone and made the suspended swinging models.
28:01 Fire in the Hole
@Ryan, what are the dimensions of the wood used in the laminate stack (is it 2X6?), and what is the typical gauge of the track (distance from center top steel left to center top steel right? I've always wondered what those dimensions are. Great video!
@@GodsMan500 unfortunately I don’t have a standard. Gauges very from manufacturer to manufacturer. Same with the wood size. I think the stack is about a 2x8 and the top wood is 2x12. I curious what other woodies are. Don’t worry I’m sure many more will chime in with numbers as welll.
For B&M rides, is it true that the high G curves are built slightly flat between supports so that the weight of the train passing over them bends the steel to the desired curve?
@@Clipstreu I can’t answer that one. Seems like you would feel a ripple?
after the recent hurricane Six Flags over Georgia was flooded and Great American Scream Machine was under A LOT of water. do you think the coaster will have to be scrapped? it was pretty janky before and they never race it anymore, only run one side.
@@dindog22 I don’t think so. But if the whole control systems went and the structure was damaged by swift current. Might be an issue.
That flood photo is actually from 2009 (not from Helene) ... and happened on a Tuesday.
The park was open, and the Scream Machine operational, on Friday.
I'm not sure how you could race on Scream Machine, btw ... it's a single track coaster.
I'm not sure if you have experience with dark rides, but how are those generally propelled (like Disneyland dark rides, (not Mr. Toad), specifically Winnie the Pooh)? Are the guide wheels that pinch the track motorized? Or are the road wheels that sit on the track motorized? Also, do you know what type of motor(s) they generally use (AC/DC) and the HP required to move that many guests?
@@TheLostWorld-i8j so you want a video on dark ride movement?
@@ryantheridemechanic 1 million percent!
I've heard certain medications help with some of those installation issues...lol
Good video, But Ryan: What about the Hybride with wooden track and steel supports?
@@DJWezzyK what about it?
@@ryantheridemechanic Well, they are also called Hybrids. And you left those out. And there are also a ton of them around.
@@DJWezzyK He didn’t leave it out though. He discussed topper track (just replacing the top board with steel) AND he discussed I-Box (the entire laminate structure is steel).
@@DJWezzyK very true. I didn’t plan on touching all types I mainly wanted to hit basic wood construction that was really the point of the video.
@@ryantheridemechanic And it was amazing. I recommended your channel to a few coaster nerds and you give out the best explanations on topics.
Concerning humidty. Why is it that they say because of high humidity that is why wooden coasters do not work in areas like Florida? That was said to be a big problem on the original Gwazi at Busch Gardens Tampa Bay.
@@fredreubens89 could me more like the wood stays too wet causing some issues. And trains run slower in humid weather.
@@ryantheridemechanic Another unrelated question. Is it the parks or insurance companies that are requiring the changes in restraints especially on wooden coasters. Also was wondering why the new mfg. of coaster trains on wooden coasters are getting so much smaller/tighter. They are getting so much harder to get in and out of not to mention with the new trains some people can longer ride them Thank You for your videosand answers to any questions.
@@fredreubens89 hard to answer for retrofits. But manufacturers are making the trains tighter as the safety need to increase. Even old stuff they don’t want to duplicate bad safety standards. So when the ride gets new trains it gets smaller. If there’s a retrofit, tighter. And for newer stuff you have to increase the safety factor as you increase stress on the rider with bigger faster elements.
Ok, so when do we get to see Ryan skateboarding?
@@litz13 that was for my S.O.N. So I tried it for a bit and found out that unlike stock car racing, I couldn’t turn left haha!
@@ryantheridemechanic the bad part is when you realize you can't turn right, either, and the thing doesn't come with brakes.
@@litz13 first time I tried I ended up with a bruise on my hip where I fell. Movement is your friend on one of those boards for sure.
@@ryantheridemechanic probably lucky that's all it was. A significant portion of RUclips's early growth was skateboard fail videos. Lots of cringey "ouch" in those.
@@litz13 I’m the old guy with all the pads and helmet and all that stuff!
If you make a stack, wouldn't it be stronger on the side than the top? Obviously cutting would be prefab
@@sumguy8 they are easier to go up and down. Early coaster don’t turn much. So the rack was easier to from on a hill with the boards that way they are.
@@ryantheridemechanic that makes sense, but if you had big squares of stacking, and prefab it like an intimidating pre fab? Aren’t the vertical loads greater than lateral loads on these. In my vision, the guide wheel would be running on the same plane the road and upstops are on now.
I’m implying on stacking turning 90 degrees. Yes it would take more cuts to make certain turns, but the vertical forces would be more accounted for.
I have little engineering education, but maybe a composite like carbon fiber may help stacking this way
@@sumguy8 it’s harder to hold the stack together and ensure the anchors don’t go between boards. But I’m hearing some companies are doing this. Gravity group maybe?
So what makes the Intamin woodies so different than traditional ones?
@@dwhitman12341 by pre-drilling and pre-cutting all of the wood pieces and treating them as parts, the entire structure is under less stress than fit up issues that traditional wood roller coasters have.
And if you are talking about prefabs, the laminate stack is CNC machined out of a stack of boards glued together...
@@Colaholiker oh I didn’t know that one.
we've upgraded from cardboard!
30:36 😂
@@riichte9208 I like to throw those things in!
Mine are always big enough to get work done ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Wow , youre so good at demonstrating how to erect
@@chuck4714 I’m still amazed thousands of people tune in to see my erections! So happy.
Such dirty talk the first 10 mins 😂😂
@@elliott7568 I’m just talking about rides, what are you talking about?! Haha!
@@ryantheridemechanic just wood coasters 😂😂😂