The History of Boy Bands - From The Beatles to the Rise of BTS (Redemption Reacts) (Guide)
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Music critics and men were hating on The Beatles because they had female fans. Suddenly they became great when men started liking them
Hh..really? i dont know that.ooh.idk wtf wrong with having a female dominated fanbase😶. "Female" is anything wrong with this?😬🙄😤
@@binduc7122 It's called patriarchy
THAT PART
@@bangtanmotion8134 🙂
@@binduc7122 same thing happened with frank sinatra:/
people still turn a blind eye to how much BTS really deserves this popularity, the fact that they are different from the rest makes it special, they are very open minded , has songs of various genres and topics that other groups probably wouldn't. The lyrics are very deep and easy to hear, about dancing and singing, rap we can say all groups have that, but if it's about songs I confidently say There is not a single BTS song that is not good, all of their songs have a story, it's even more interesting when every Mv and VCR is related to each other with the story line .
By the way sorry for my poor English
I agree with both sides; he did gloss over a lot of stuff and may have miscatergorized in terms of group vs. boyband, but it is an overview. He didn't give anybody credit that wasn't theirs or underrate anybody, IMO, but that's just me. If I want to learn about the history of boybands/groups a sub 20-minute video on RUclips from a K-pop fan is not where I would go for education on the subject, but again, that's just me.
Love y'all as always.💜
Exactly
Agreed 10000%
I really don't care for any other band, group, or singer, Im just here for BTS !
Oh yes thank you for supporting BTS🙏💜💜
As Asian Theory said in the beginning, this was an overview, a summary, as he said it would have been 3 hours long, which was not to be the intention, if he wanted to dive deeper. I mean he did kind of gloss over doowop boy groups of the 1940's & 1950's, iirc. Hell, maybe even farther back during Vaudeville, although I think he did mention barbershop groups. To me, if we are to be literal & all-inclusive, then a boy band is literally a music group made of boys, i.e. male humans. As long as it's not a solo artist. And a duo is a group as well. And doesn't matter what music genre, nationality, era (years), or if they just danced, or if they just played instruments. BoyziiMen is a boy band. Until a band has a mix of genders in it, it is either a boy band or a girl band... otherwise it is a mixed/co-ed group. If I wanted, I could even incorporate Christian church boy choirs as boy bands. And obviously, Asian Theory can update this video when necessary, especially if they get critical feedback. He already knew that going in as he made the disclaimer that he might get some flack for not including more bands in this overview. They have already updated their BTS The Most Beautiful Life Goes On video at least once, not necessarily for errors but for updates due to further BTS activity since it was made. There is nothing wrong taking this information at face value, unless this was taught professionally as a university school course. Wikipedia itself has been infamously known for sometimes being inaccurate for decades now, simply because it can be written (and re-written) by anyone (the global community). As aforementioned, once you watch this kind of summarization, then it's up to you to fall down different rabbit holes for more details and/or accuracies. And like Asian Theory said, it was implied that this video was to lead up to BTS, because they are an important & significant group is this type of genre & formation. And at the same time, he also said or impled that BTS won't be around forever. It is hard to say when the next significant boy (or girl) band, as huge as BTS that is, will come around. It could take another 25, 50, 100 or 300 years, who knows. Or it could take less than that since the precedent that BTS has made is now known by everyone, i.e. if you want to be as successful as, or better than, BTS then you better know the requirements. But the next success also has to grow organically & not necessarily forced. No one knew BTS would get this huge. A similar situation has also happened with BlackPink. To stay successful as a band & keep people's eyes on you, I think they need to keep growing & to keep changing, simply because the whole world has ADHD.
Exactly. He said it was an overview. Why are they upset😂
Me personally the whole boy band definition has always been so stupid to me, like why do we have to have so many criteria's to fit what is a boy band and what is a band? Like to me a Boy Band is a Band with boys in it as simple as that. or A group of boys who perform/make music. Like why does us as a society always want to make things so complicated.
@@maskedsoul3068 I'm so glad someone thinks the same way as I do
@@maskedsoul3068 Because pretty much anything that young women are interested in is seen as dumb and unimportant. Think about it, nobody frowns upon and degrades the sports fan base, especially football and basketball because while there are millions of women who are apart of it, it is a male dominated area, so it’s taken seriously and is accepted in society. So because the characteristics of boybands include pandering to girls to the point where people are offended by the term because their music is “above what a boyband would make.”
Ikr? Your point reminds me of a rant from a girl who was going off abt BTS, including being weirdly adamant abt it not being correct to call BTS a "band" bc they aren't playing instruments. Why nitpick like that (I mean, beside having an issue bc of some personal bigotry)?
Language and meanings of words change all the time and to me, I personally think it's better to allow the expansion of the image of what constitutes as a "boy band" with BTS, if only to help get rid of the misogynistic stigma that comes with the term bc it typically is associated with a predominantly large female audience.
Just like when Keith was saying things about the members as "facts" - He should've done his research before saying things too huh? Lol This was an overview of the different "qualifications" of what makes a boy band a boy band. Like the guy said in the beginning...there really isn't a set formula to do this.
Please remind me of said comments so we can see how crazy you'll look. Don't worry I'll wait I got time.🤔
NO ONE does their own research after this. I'd bet on it.
I appreciate you Keith & Lo for the comments you two made. Very valid. But also, pleSe continue to speak your truthful opinion without worrying/censoring yourself in fear of the comments from viewers. We are all here for your honest reaction, otherwise what would be the point.
(I only add the last part because I’ve noticed that sometimes, some of the other guys will try and stop someone from speaking their truth in fear of backlash. But most of us (myself included) watch you guys because you don’t sugar coat things & you aren’t afraid to say if you don’t like something. I love BTS but I don’t watch reactors who disingenuously only say good things about everything. There are some bts songs that I really don’t like and that’s okay 😂).
Nick trying to calm down Keith and Lo 😭 he is literally sitting in between them 😂 in my opinion I feel like the video kept repeating that they can’t talk everything in detail cuz then it will be so long. Backstreet and *NSYNC which is what people think about automatically when someone says boyband and they were both barely talked about in the video so I’m not surprised he also glossed over new edition and Boys 2 men
Yeah I wanted to keep things nice here lol.. I knew what type time the video would be on once I seen it wasn’t a long video lol
If BTS starts to play music are they then a pop/rock group? I think the video is about how BTS got the right formula for making a boy band a success. The presenter sounded like he was searching for what the right formula was. But I think the formula is continually evolving.
Im trying to understand where Keith and Lo are coming from but im only seeing their arguments as petty banter. I say that because the title is your first context clue. The video is about BTS and explaining how the term boy band and the groups who fall under it have created an impact on the world and how that impact has given BTS the ingredients to create success. If you want a video about the creation, rise, and success of boybands this video was not it. And what he said may have seemed wrong because the historical significance black artists, groups, and bands have had on the music industry, seemed to be downplayed or glossed over but his intentions were never to misconstrue or to degrade those groups. It was to give a little history on the reason why BTS are what they are. And compared to how most videos on the topic like to slide past the OGs and get straight to saying "BTS PAVED THE WAY" this video actually gave a more accurate depiction on how BTS was a product of years and years of the same thing just a diff taste.
Keith seemed to have a predjudice towards the video that he refused to let go of before the video even started. I get that history should be told accurately and in detail but not everyone has the tools for that. So if thats the type of video you want to see...MAKE IT.
@@kaheimawhitley145 this isn't a true or fair thing to say.
@@kaheimawhitley145 this ain't a discussion love, sorry if I led you to believe otherwise. I feel like you weren't being honest or fair, dassit.
Quite the opposite... But hypothetically what bias would I possibly have? Other than wanting things to be done accurately. Also with that same energy that means no one should be in our comments with "petty banter" or upset tones when and if we get information wrong correct. Furthermore in this day and age where you have libraries of information and knowledge at your finger tips how does one not have the tools for that? Clearly he had internet cause he uploaded a video using such marvelous technology. Clearly you are the one who came in with bias and truthfully thats fine. Thank you for your support 😁👍🏾
@@R3dRum215 Petty banter isnt always a bad thing. I actually quite enjoy it. I say petty because your arguments didnt expose fallacies in his research. You just nit picked at his points, exposing that the genre "boy band" is just another generic term used by the industry and can be changed at anytime to fit the industries wants and needs. Same way Indie and Alt are. Taking into consideration that idea and most of your questions in the video would be answered.
You guys also didnt like how his focus was more on BTS than other groups and thats fair. But like i said. The context clues were there. His video was about the history of boy bands and how that history got us to BTS, the reason he made the video.
Im am curious though as to how u came to the conclusion that my take was biased....i just didnt expect someone who makes RUclips content about BTS to travel far from the topic of BTS. Thats how a lot of kpop content creators are and also the reason why i follow less and less reactors. They find what will get them the most views, likes, and subs and create an entire platform around that...that being BTS.
That is why i started following you guys..because you didnt stick to what you knew would get you views and actually listen to and want to learn about kpop! Its also refreshing to hear you guys talk about and compare western music. Im a 32 year old woman who grew up listening to most if not all of the songs you guys mention and knowing exactly where the samples, beats, and inspos came from that kpop recreates and immulates...so its nice knowing that someone is on here educating these younger ones who didnt get to experience the culture that was the 90s and so on.
@@vssugakookie2398 I didnt have an issue with the content overall being about BTS. None what so ever... My issue came when he began making statements that weren't researched and saying them as fact. The fact that people on the panel acted like because he's a RUclips creator he doesn't have to verify or research anything only added to the frustration.Double taking and contradicting himself.(Paraphrasing) "This is the qualifications for a boy band but you have people in that grouping who have none of those classifications but its ok because I covered myself by saying the classifications are not concrete" Like really... REALLY didn't help. If we can't take anything he's saying as fact why are we even watching the video. 🤷🏾♂️ I u Der stand everything in these videos aren't going to be 100% but it was things that could have been found out or settled with just the smallest amount of effort and research. My gripe was never the subject matter just the lack of effort in delivering it.
im sorry but watching nick trying to diffuse keith and lo was the funniest thing
He is literally between Keith and Lo 😭😂 poor guy I bet he was just imagining the comment section
You see me? 😂😂😂
@@lalapozada7834 exactly lol
I mean the only reason people have a problem with the term “boyband” is BECAUSE the target audience is often teen girls and the genre is usually pop, so therefore that makes them seem shallow or talentless and “they’re only popular for their looks.” There is some truth to that cause to be painfully honest I did NOT see the hype with 1D in a musical sense😭 I heard RM call BTS a boyband in an interview, so clearly that’s what he sees them as. I see it as there being different levels of boybands, like the Jackson 5, new edition, Boyz II Men, BTS, and the Beatles at the top, having the most talent (again my opinion) and others like 1D, BSB, or new kids on the block on a lower tier. You really can’t make short videos on the history of anything because you’ll always miss something, so I understand why Keith and Lo were fired up.
I understand were they coming from BUT the whole vid was to do a lil over view on Bgs and then put the main focus into Bts that's the point of the vid that's why yall watched the video bc it was showing the lil backstory on previous Bgs and then get to bts. I'd def understand if the vid was abt all Boybands but he touched on the roles in bts and why they are successful bc the main focus on the vid was to talk abt them. He def got some things wrong but hes not no specialist and its a 20min vid not no documentary.
Right, this isnt "The Rise Of Bangtan documentary series"
@@JackInTheBox0294 yea Keith n Lo was more focused on how the man kinda just passed all the previous bgs also saying how the man was kind of pushing this "why bts is better and different than previous bgs" they also touched on how the man discredited groups like temptations calling them more of a rnb grp and stuff so the man wasnt really educated misusing the label "Boy group". I totally get that bc they are right but the way i see it is that, the purpose of the vid was to show a over-view of the previous groups not go into full detail n all that shii i mean some stuff was def wrong but the vid was to build up to BTS and their success everything that Lo and Keith wanted to hear abt previous Boy groups would most likely have to be in a 2-3 hr vid which is what the man constantly said he wasnt aiming for😭 Not to metion this vid was made in early 2020 some things def changed since then and the guy has prob educated himself more. Keith n Lo perspectives are valid but i wouldn't say its that deep for a lil vid like this tbh😭
Yep. People watch it to the most current popularity. Just like th ese guys mentioning BTS knowing it will draw more attention. Lol. Bickering over a quick overview video. Lol.
I think the biggest issue is there is always a lot of information online. Keith and Lo are passionate about this subject and have extensive knowledge. That's different than someone doing casual research/overview to really get to his point, which was BTS.
Exactly. Keith and Lo are educated and passionate about music so I get why they felt a way. I just know that people would take that as hate or them being extra so I want us to have this conversation in an open discussion format.. away from this lol
This is the actual definition of boy band in google- a vocal group consisting of young male singers, usually in their teenage years or in their twenties at the time of formation, singing love songs marketed towards girls.
But from my point of view its just a group of singers singing together,need not make things complicated..
In my opinion why kpop is popular is because of the "whole package"- Powerful choreo,innovative beats,concepts(perspective of visuals),lyrics,music video transitions and also their personaltities which they show to audience through their vlogs or tv shows
He didn't use the term boyband wrong because in this day and age ppl call anyone group comprised of male singers regardless of there genre of music a "Boyband" means as long as they are group of men or boys singing together they are a boyband that what the majority of the world see boyband like now a lot say BTS is a boyband but they are not cuz they write and produce alot of their own stuff and don't just do basic dance moves or choreography but choreography that includes comtemporary,hiphop,jazz,popping and locking etc, Hence BTS are Dance Performance Musicians/Artist cuz they sing, rap, produce and write a lot of their lyrics that usually have deep and thoughtful meaning, so no they are not a boyband but the world calls them that cuz they are a group of men doing music together.
I think you missed or forgot when AsianTheory at first explained 'typical' boy bands, then gave examples of boy bands that don't fall into those categories.
You must understand that in the end we may have a definition of a typical boy band, but not all of them fall into this category but are labeled as. So some artists, too, that you say aren't boy bands actually have traits that you could put in the boy band category.
It's just a long and complicated discussion of what can be called a boy band, which is why nowadays I refer to these artists and BTS as a group, not a boy band.
The definition varies too much to establish which is which.
idk why you guys reacted to this to begin with armys even had problems with the asian theorys video on bts the 2020 introduction he did had so many mistakes too then he updated it for 2021 with more correct info but STILL got stuff wrong.
to be quite honest majority of armys do not like nor care about white boybands because every time bts does something someone brings up a white band. however we as armys always have said media zones in on white boybands and never compares bts to black boybands/groups when bts has more in common since theyre more their inspirations especially Michael.
i get your criticizing this video but dont gloss over how bts are different from majority of kpop and white bands. armys dont even want bts to be called a boyband anymore because of the stupid comments people who dont know bts come up with. like there being 1 member thats better than all the rest fro example that dont exist in bts. and the writing aspect and producing aspect all of bts write and produce when many white boybands didnt.
i feel like a better video would be to react to bts vs kpop by bbygangmag they do actual research i also suggest to react to youre wrong about kpop and kpop vs orientalism both by bbygangmag too. these videos would be actually educational and i feel like youll like them way better than this video by asian theory.
I can agree with this, I feel like nobody talks about how much black artists have contributed to pop music specifically whether it’s one person or a group, as much as they do with white artists, that of course is a different issue, but it trickles down to what you said about the media only focusing on comparing BTS to white boybands when the majority of BTS’ influences are black. I have heard RM call them a boyband, so it would be interesting to hear what the rest of the guys consider themselves, and of course they’re an anomaly when it comes to the Kpop industry, managing to set themselves apart from all other groups in every way. It’s an interesting discussion for sure.
yes pls let’s get them to watch bbygangmag!
Yeah, Asian Theory isn't the best at researching anyways (does great editing tho). I'd love to see more ppl react to Elliot (bbygang)'s videos.
The arguments here are pretty valid. I agree that the vid glossed over a lot of stuff. But that's what's to be expected from an overview. And it's in the title of the video that it eventually leads to Bts' success so. The vid didn't say it but you guys pointed out that kpop was influenced by western music. It is and it isn't being denied at all. Altho it wasn't talked about much, Kpop is heavily influenced by hip-hop and pop music from the western music. A lot of kpop idols have pointed that out and even tho Bts hasn't said anything (as far as I know) they do share their inspirations for making music which are mostly western and hip-hop artists. But those topics are talked about in other videos of the same channel. I can understand the frustration they felt after watching the vid. But yeah like I mentioned, this is what we get from an overview... If we want accurate history on boy bands, we're gonna need a hours long video for that.
Pls don't hesitate to keep sharing your thoughts and insights on the videos. This is a react channel after all. That's why we're here. Everything can be up for debate.
Its not that you have to go into in depth with detail but the details you do mention should at least be correct if they are being stated as fact.
@@R3dRum215 And that too
Hi boys, I want to express my opinion about your debate because I felt very touched, I'm going to use translate so there may be several mistakes.
I really like your conversations, and the fact that you think differently from each other, and you don't censor yourself because of what people are going to say, keep it up, that's how the things that should be discussed are really put and exposed.
Thank you.. We pride ourselves in being honest and respectful. We might not all agree on things but we’re brothers and we just want to have conversations that other reactors aren’t.. Thanks for the love and support 🙏🏽
If u actually wanna dig deeper into video essays where things aren't glossed up, I'd recommend u Elliot sang's videos. His channel is bbygang. A pretty underrated guy who articulates his stuff properly and breaks it down in several videos instead of compiling it in one
Thank you
@@REDEMPTION46 Yes, bbygang does excellent videos, so I hope you'll check his out!
I wouldn't call Asian Theory a BTS content creator. He gets too much wrong too often abt them to be considered that. He seems more into kpop in general.
But this video is just a quick overview to, yes, focus on BTS. So, I wouldn't get too hung up over how he identifies everything and misses things (I already had that experience with his 'Most Beautiful Life Goes On' video). He's going to be biased and he's not going to be thorough. He just gives enough to make his statement and support whatever message he had.
I agree that sm1 with more knowledge and understanding on general music history, along with a much longer video, is going to be more accurate and better suited at educating ppl on this subject.
To me, this is smt light for ppl who are already familiar with this information and can serve as a jumping point for discussions abt the topics touched on in the video (such as what classifies as a "boy band").
Agreed 10000%
He knew why he made the video and I took everything at face value.. If I want to find out the details in everything, I’ll do my own research
@@REDEMPTION46 true to that, but I definitely do get the frustration. Even so, when it brings out reactions like this, I enjoy the discussions we get to see from you guys, esp as you're all clearly passionate abt the music. Ditto for the discussions in the comments. It's way more interesting to watch, as a viewer.
As Jimin says: You nice. Keep going 💜
i really dont get why Keith and Lo are so heated. So what if he got a few things wrong? It was a great video especially for people that dont know a lot about music and boybands/boy groups. i think yall are too stuck on the label "boy band". when i hear boyband i think of Nsync, B2K, Mindless Behavior, 1D, etc. but that doesn't mean those are the only ones. i would also consider r&b groups like boyz 2 men and jodeci as "boybands" just based on the fact that they are guys who make music; thats my only criteria, its really not that deep. the only difference is the genre of music they made; pop vs r&b
I actually do think boys 2 man is a boy band as well. Since my criteria are: 2 or more, all boys/male, and all sing.
Savage garden may or may not fit into this imo because I'm not sure if Daniel actually sings at all(I count harmonizing and ad-libing singing even if only in the background)
The point is everyone have different requirement for the term "boy band" so yeah that's that.
Edit: now I think about it even queen can be classified as boy band by my standard. As funny as that sounds who can say it's absolutely factually wrong lol.
I think you kinda answered your own question we got upset becaus3 they video was aimed and would be seen by people without extensive music knowledge and that being the case the first bit of info shouldn't be opinions passed off as facts because someone who doesn't know better will regurgitate those same wrong options as facts... All just so you can fill time on a video.
I’ve been listening to music since the 70’s. I believe the designation “boy band “ didn’t exist until Backstreet Boys. In essence a music group formed for the main purpose of targeting young girls or women in the pop music genre. I never thought of the Beatles, Bee Gees and the British wave from the 60’s as boy bands. Their music genre was rock and roll. In the 70’s, the Jackson 5 and Osmonds were family music groups targeting the general audience. Definitely not considered or wanted to be seen as what we would think of as a boy band. I don’t think the parents of the Jackson 5 or Osmonds would have appreciated young women throwing themselves at their children. As to BTS being a boy band like Backstreet Boys, I don’t think they are the same. BTS never has targeted just young girls or women in their music nor is their genre just pop.
I get what you are saying but whether it was the intention or not a majority of fans of the Jackson 5 and the Osmonds were young girls who were throwing themselves at the members. For me the first time I heard the term boy band was with New Kids on the Block.
@@crystalsnow1138 There term boy band was really established in the 1990s. But you may be right about new kids on the block. Wrt BTS I think they feel more like a group to me. I have never been really interested in boy bands.
The term "boy band" originally stems from Europe with Take That: the 1st major UK boy band from the early/mid 90s. They were modeled after NKOTB and their success spawned a generation of European pop groups such as Spice Girls, Boyzone, Westlife, Five and most notably One Direction. New Kids On the Block admitted they weren't called a boy band at the time of their peak. They were labeled as a Pop act or Pop sensation. When Backstreet Boys & *NSYNC first started in Europe, their success translated over to the US along with the term "boy band". They would be interviewed and mention the term because of what they were accustomed to in Europe. But the term "boy band' actually first came about with Take That.
@Chad Thank you for mentioning Take That. I know a lot of US people won't know about them because they disbanded *just* as they were about to try to really break into the US market, but here in Europe, they were absolutely HUGE.
Thank you for mentioning Hanson, but even Hanson said they don't know why they were/are considered a boy band. I remember when Hanson was asked why groups like U2 are called rock bands but not them. Considering Hanson don't dance, they play instruments and write/produce their music. They responded saying they think it's because their predominately female fanbase and their more clean cut image, but they would much rather be called a rock band. Another interesting tidbit, Backstreet Boys never had a number 1 song on the billboard hot 100. That's just crazy to me considering how big they were in the late 90's early 00's.
Great reaction guys and I loved the discussion as well. Also could yall react to BTS it's Tricky bangtang Bomb as well as BTS Fake Love behind the scenes their bangtang bombs are great behind scenes.
Boy band = boys/man who form a group and sing regardless the genre of the music
Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, U2, T Rex, Alabama, Beastie Boys, The Police, AC/DC, Queen.......?
There is no definition for a boy band that works. I'm pretty sure a "boy band" isn't a legitimate thing. Pretty sure it's just a term used by men threatened by the attractiveness of these groups to "screaming teen girls" so they can dismiss them and perpetuate a misogynist stereotype.
I just wanna say, this video you reacted to was kind of the 2nd part of a series. Some of your complaints (at least abt the commercial success of certain groups and how their success in the west influenced kpop) were addressed in the other videos.
He pointed that out but y’all might’ve missed it. It’s alright tho. I don’t really follow Asian Theory so idk too much abt their channel. Loved the discussion at the end.
Appreciate that 🙏🏽
Here is my opinion: *It's not that deep* but I love too see the passion nonetheless 🙂
😂😂😂🙏🏽
The reason I hate that phrase is because - every damned thing is that deep if you are looking deep enough. This is history we're talking about. It matters.
But you can go ahead and express your opinion, because it's perfectly valid for you.
I had the exact same energy watching The Most Beautiful Life Goes ON, but I wasn't in as bad a mood back then. He's a self-indulgent writer, doesn't know how to form and stick to an outline, and .......feel free to delete all of my comments because I'm sure I'm just bringing negativity instead of making people think.
I think you guys Forgot the very first statement the guy mentioned bcz this video come from first part one video which people complain about boy band and things that he didn't mention
So this video is continuation of that first video . Sorry can't comment farther bcz of lack of knowledge and my bad english
Agreed
I love how you get the vibe that these kpop docu series revolve around bts and clearly are biased about them. Thats what i hate about these kpop docu that i often seen created by youtube channels. For my time, Also the 90s the biggest boybands were BSB, NSYNC & Westlife. 2010s the biggest boyband was One Direction. It was right before kpop completely exploaded into the western market 100%. I get what the second guy on the left is saying, there's some timeline thats correct but there's some he definitely skipped just to justify talking about bts for a longer period, bec the youtuber knows the target market he's trying to get views from...its def halfassed. And actually the most famous idol in kpop is GDragon.
As usual thank you for an awesome video!
Thanks for the love and support
You guys should react to BTS RISE OF BANGTAN if you want a docu series. Currently there 17 chapters and counting. ☺️ Also, I noticed that when he makes bts content videos, he always uses the same words and phrases. Which is redundant and thought he might talk some new info but its not. 😕
I am sure they get hate as well. They do kpop videos.Aren't you filmmakers ,why don't make a docuseries?
BTW, BTS MOTS7 sold over 2M albums in about 2 hours...just saying.
Great video my guys. If u want a documentary series check out The Rise Of Bangtan its really good. Keep it up!
We watch it.. It’s on our Patreon
Does it need 10 level?
My faves boy band of all the time
Boyz II Man , BSB, westlife, and BTS
I'm sorry...but whoever suggested this...I feel like this was a setup. This content creator is not a creator that is known for doing well researched videos, even about BTS. I actually can't imagine any ARMY suggesting this video as part of your "BTS content" to react to. Listening to some of the language that was used in the kpop section...I would say definitely not something MOST ARMYs would consider worth watching. I know you guys try to avoid "fandom" type issues...but yeah...imho this feels like a set up to me and not something most ARMYs would enjoy.
Unfortunately, there are many ARMYs recommending this channel. I'm guessing younger ones.
I really liked today's video keep making content like this
I find it interesting that I haven't observed many black men referencing black bands as a "boy bands."
Even in this video, you guys said, "...weren't the Beatles just a band?" If they started young,they sang and/or danced, they were boy a band. Case in point, The Temptations, The Jackson Five, Boys II Men... the list goes on. I should think that, as one grows older, you might graduate form the term "boy band" to just... "band( by way of progression of age and skill)."
Yet, even though its been around for such a long time, the term "boy band" is looked down upon. I remember when BTS was first being discovered by American viewers and the common comparison was to One Direction...with derision. Suddenly, now that BTS is considered a talented and successful force, people are eager to claim the term. You all are wondering where are all the black bands in this video are. I was too, but understand that black people themselves have not often described their own bands as boy bands, nor do they claim a positive view with the term. We claimed R&B, Rhythm and Blues, etc. Even if the band itself fit under the criteria of "boy band". Why wold anyone making a video on the topic assume otherwise?
I think once we ourselves claim the term with pride, (Once again, I give you the Temptations, The Jackson Five, how can you NOT be ok with the title?) then the ignorance in the video this gentleman made wouldn't happen so often.
I'm pretty sure I agreed with Keith and Nike-hat-black-hoodie-I-can-never-hear-your-name-dammit (Lo?) last time, too. I'm starting to get a feel for who I'd like to have a beer with.
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I hope you guys argue more 😂. That was entertaining.
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A lot of young ppl don't really know much about music history. I think he just made this to give kids a bit of an intro to the genre and BTS place in it. He covered 60 years in about 10 minutes. Music scholars can't agree on which bands are boybands or what the criteria is so I wasn't expecting any definite answers. I thought it was interesting enough and worth a watch.
P.s. I still don't understand which "facts" they disagreed with. Just the designation of certain groups as boyband or not boyband? They seemed really angry so I couldn't understand if there was something important about which bands he "misidentified"? Like did he skip over or misidentify black bands more or sth dodgy like that?
@Redemption46 - Sending you respect. By the way, there are several RUclips content creators who CONSTANTLY SAY THINGS THAT SHOULD NEVER BE SAID and yet, they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers listening/absorbing their racist, slanderous "opinions" which is MUCH WORSE than a person creating an overview history of boy bands. Now to your video review: Boys II Men members consider themselves A BOY BAND. Hence why one of their members is a huge BTS supporter. I respect that you have your own views and yes, this content creator created an OVERVIEW not a full on series. Respectfully, stop bashing other content creators and instead, if you can do it better, put your money where your mouth is: spend YOUR money and YOUR time and DO IT. I will definitely watch it :)
Small comment: I don't "shade" western music but western music is NOT the be all of end all, nor is it the genesis of anything. There are MANY countries and cultures that did all this BEFORE the US but no one focusses on ALL OTHER countries and cultures (like as if 3/4 of the world doesn't exist which speaks to ignorance).
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Whew, this was a.... discussion. Lol, thanks for the content.💜
Those of you taking what Keith & Lo said personally are doing too much in these comments. weird and mean af for no reason.
I knew people would take some comments personally that’s why I ain’t want to dive too deep into the conversation. We’ll have real conversations about this but on different videos
@REDEMPTION 46 I don't want y'all to have to censor yourselves, if you have an opinion say it and people can be mad if they want.
But I get where you're coming from. 💜💜
Dudes he said he was just doing a general video. An overview. Lol. Yeah he didn't go very deep and he told us about it. I dont know how the 2 dudes are surprised and upset. He told you! 😂 Heck, i know about the western artists more than the kpop ones and yes still alot if kpop fans will complain about there bands not being mentioned, some if whuch definitely outsold western artists. did you know that some people in Japan take credit for kpops success?.. Yeah. And some of them actually say kpop is successful because the government pushes it, and promots which is a lie. There's a lot of drama involved. Just like i wouldn't credit the success of jpop or kpop to western bands. Everyone has to work hard to build their own fanbase, especially for non english speaking artists. So in as much as boybands or western artists have done alot for music, the non English-speaking artists worked hard for their bread and English speaking bands/boybands will always have an advantage in the market. Period. Thus dude doesn't have to be perfect, hes been wrong ob bts videis before. And hes not a bts content creator more of a kpop, creator.
Its just funny, because there's alot to expand on and alot to disagree on, including-, WHICH HE MENTIONED - what boygroup means and how the term was defined and how some "boyband" are doing things outside those definition. but at the end of the day its just an overview video. Just a simple 20min overview. And fyi to some people Bts is just known as a boy band. Not boygroup. To each their own.
I think the heated ones are taking this too seriously 😘 not sure what "hate" comment yall are getting but the content creator said it was an "overview".. I'm not taking what azntheory as gospel of what constitutes a "boy band" so can't be mad at it 🤷🏻♀️
Half this video is from the BTS story, lazy video making. But the biggest point is there is no true definition for what classifies as a boyband. Everyone will have their own opinion.
It was totally half-assed. He skipped an era, yet put in a big chunk from his previous hit video. He spoke as an expert but gave subjective info as fact. He doesn't know shit. I'm listening to you guys argue and I'm getting angrier at the dude because ARMY decided he's someone we should give engagement to. I'll draw hate for this because I'm so negative, but f posers. ARMY needs to think for themselves instead of automatically trusting people just because they speak with authority and praise their favorite subject.
To me, the epitome of a Boy Band is a producer's creation, from the look to the songs. The Beatles did change their look, but by the time they had hit big, the guys were a hardened bar band that had honed its act, sound and everything else playing five to six hours a night in the face of a nightly rough crowd in Germany. They were already formed when discovered. As opposed to most others on this list whose first qualification was to look good and emote.
Another thing, I agree with the argument that he didn't know how to correctly classify all the boy bands, and I'm not going to get into the right and wrong discussion because I'm not American and you know much more from your own experiences.
but as a foreign spectator, many of the groups you mentioned I never met, in the same way that no Brazilian group appeared, for example. I think that when a cut is made and Western music is presented, it is also forgotten that North American music dominates the scene. And when an Asian tells this story it's much more about how this contact with your music made its way and made an impact on outsiders, than him presenting incorrect information.
I agree with you...
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That was true man. I felt like the idea of putting down one thing to lift up other things happen in everywhere. And i do felt like many kpop fan did that eventho the western was the inspiration. Imma kpop fan myself tho
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For my explaintion for music about groups and boyband ,I just respect him to make that video and his ya coming form a kpop fan and his not like know everything about past boygroups and that's alright ,so ya we love your opinions y'all
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@@REDEMPTION46 merci tu es gentil 😘
Yes Army can be aliitle over protected when it comes to BTS. I can understand why., because when I started listen to BtS I really didn't care to listen to western music Artist's anymore but when I heard the song BTS are listening to..itn western music. So I said hey... wake up. Listen to other Artist's.
for the life of me, i dont understand the big difference between boybands and groups? to me one direction, bts n even boys to men are groups..groups of boys in a band which makes them a boyband. so can some please explain it to me in simple terms
Personally, i always considered boybands as singers only while a “group” consists of singers and dancers. It’s how i always see it.
@@mei42na I think most people see it reversed. Boybands sing and dance and groups just sing. The ones considered as groups are usually really strong vocalists and the boybands usually have a younger female following. I don't share this view but majority do. I don't think I've ever used the term boy band. They're all just groups to me
Maybe you guys should make a information video.
Sorry honey . I like you boys but you are wrong about New Edition and Boyz 2 men. They were a Boy band. My generation that was our Band. The Banter was not a good point to use. It’s because I grew up at that time. I’m blown away by the Banter. Love ❤️ you.
Have y’all done a StrayKids guide??? If y'all haven't I recommend you guys should do it!!!!😂🙏 I would be so excited to watch it on your channel.🤩
A lot of guides are dropping this month
@@REDEMPTION46 Okayyy!!! Can’t wait to see them all.
I watched the new edition series like five times 😂
It’s so good
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I think the video is a point of view from a foreign person and the impact outside USA which is different from native Americans. Cause the impact of US groups hits different in every country (I am not American).
For example, in my country some things that some reactors said were wrong, but it's a different point of view.
Sorry for my bad English.
But I think the people who made the video are American.
He needed to do a little more editing. It was a bit sloppy. I agree with the criticizers lol
Lmmfao "the criticizers" though...🤣🤣🤣😁👍🏾
He did what he wanted to do on his channel lol
@@R3dRum215 I was trying to be diplomatic 😆
@@REDEMPTION46 you're still trying to make your case 😆
@@WE__BTS Not at all I thought it was genuinely a funny choice of words. 🤷🏾♂️
I didnt assume your tone as sarcastic at all. Guess I'm not due the same. All good... Thank you for your support 😁👍🏾
Truth is in the middle for me, but leaning more towards the video being too biased having "History of boy bands" in the title. I think it would be okay'ish to have more BTS in this video (since, well, he's biased), but infos about other bands should be correct, and not as scarce. It wouldn't hurt to make the video a few minutes longer to talk more about all the other groups who were shaping the whole "boyband" thing way before BTS (k-pop).
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Don't even know why the Osmonds entered the picture. They were a family group, not a boy band.
Jackson 5, Hanson, Jonas Brothers are all family groups, but still fit the boyband narrative.
@@jessicapierce3027 my mistake. I remembered Marie performing with them more than she actually did - which would definitely negate the boyband narrative! lol
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@Redemption46 - Another comment. I propose we start a movement to eradicate the term "boy band" and replace it with Performance Group. This makes it a level playing field for all performance groups within a music genre. This would make it all fair to compare their success equally - sales, record charting successes, awards, size of supporters (not "fandom"). This also will help eradicate the stigma of "screaming hormonal teenage girls" (a derogatory term not applied to screaming hormonal middle aged men at sporting events). You don't see the term "Boy Band" being applied to hard/soft rock bands or grunge/punk rock bands and yet, they are a group of male performers comprising a band and perform. So, I suggest, we all make the conscious choice to remove the term "boy band" and push the change in language.
Please post the guide to K-pop history on yt!!!! Would love to see what u guys have to say about it
You are allowed to critic thats why this is called a re acting video we can agree to disagree without sending hate.
Exactly
Well, I was introduced to the boy band world by NKOTB, but being in SEA, Take That, Westlife and Boyzone were massive too.
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Thank you for this fun reaction. I was wondering if you might consider a special reaction for Doyoung. I know you guys love his voice. It is his birthday and he has some incredible covers that you still have not had the chance to react to. He is also releasing a new cover within the next 24 hours as a surprise for nctizen ❤️
I recommend his IU (dear name) cover - ruclips.net/video/zWCMQt1X5Ds/видео.html
Harry styles “falling” cover” - ruclips.net/video/BmBoclw-gPM/видео.html
His masked singer “beautiful” cover - ruclips.net/video/NTKGm5pRAAE/видео.html
I don’t wanna be you anymore - Billy relish cover -
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Wendy - when this rain stops (short but incredible)
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Or I highly recommend NCT127 - Back 2 u live. It is iconic. ruclips.net/video/32NrAuOD4U4/видео.html
Very entertaining discussion, as usual!
As someone who was around when the Beatles first became famous (they were young men in their early 20s,) I can attest to the fact that the critics and the bros vilified them. I personally think this was because of their predominantly young female fan base. The critics and bros came around and then conveniently forgot all about the young female fandom that brought them to fame.
To me, the one qualification for being a "boyband" (problematic label imo) is that their fans be mostly young females. Everything else is variable. And therein lies the problem. The disdain for anything liked by girls is ingrained in our culture to such an extent that a lot of bands that make it big on the wings of girl fans turn around and pi$$ all over said fans when the bros discover them later on (example, the 1975).
Final word: love Brockhampton! Call themselves a boyband with pride!
It's kind of sad for any music artist to be appreciated and taken seriously they can't have a female majority fanbase. As if women are so shallow to only like a group made of guys because of their looks and not their actual music, it's kind of sexist to be honest. I'm 34 years old and I've liked plenty of "boy bands" over the years but I've never listened or liked their music just because they were a group of good looking guys who I liked to watch, I genuinely enjoyed the music they put out. Nobody says anything about a 15 year old guy liking Ariana Grande, Taylor Swift, Doja Cat, Dua Lipa etc. but suddenly a 15 year old girl likes BTS and they lose all credibility as an artist. I've seen so many men hesitant to react to BTS because of their title as a "boy band". And when they do check them out some will it's not what they expected and they decide to check out more. But on the other many guys don't even bother listening to the music, checking out the lyrics, and can only say things like they look like girls and speculating on their sexuality.
Also, B2M musically is considered a quartet (although I believe they had elemetns of a boy band according to them), if you want to break that down in terms of history within the Black music culture, the closet to them as predecessors would be the quartets that were popularized in the early 20th century and eventually morphed into quartets (and male groups) that sang secular music, that morphed into R&B and the Motown sound with a strong history in the 60s and 70s. BTW, these groups along with B2M, and several others from that time were early influencers of a lot of the "quartet style" R&B groups you would see in the later New Jack Swing and Atlanta music scene explosion in the early and mid 2000s. Anyways. Dude kinda didn't know what he was talking about across the board and most of what he said was opinion with no stats or facts. But it is YT video...what do we expect. It allows everyone to give an opinion...that is the nature of the platform.
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In short the "Boyband" label is sloppy.
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Wow, this was kind of a mess. I don't know if you DON'T want to see a video about BTS or you're trying to deny their individual impact or what. I don't think either of these things are true...but yall kind of came off that way. This video WAS an overview but the dude definitely had some bias and made a lot of statements that cant be supported by facts...such as claiming that ENTIRE list of kpop bands paved the way for BTS...when BTS had unprecedented cross over success for an Asian boy band. So, I get the frustration about his unsupported statements about western bands. I didn't expect anything more in depth but some of the stuff was just wrong. I also 100% feel that a lot of kpop stans do NOT know the history of boy bands and they DO act like they started with 1D...newsflash, they didn't. I was mad how he glossed over J5 if you ask me. Actually, I didn't like a lot of his videos because he doesn't even seem to know BTSs actual rise and growth accurately, and it seems like that was his actual focus.
I agree his BTS info is lacking. I think he's riding coattails.
Those prior groups were very influential on BTS and did help pave the way so that BTS could experience their unprecedented success! I've been ARMY from way back and it is so annoying when other ARMY discount and try to discredit other K-artists impact, especially when BTS themselves look up to their senior peers!
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The Asian Theory gets too much credit. Their videos are like impressive high school projects. In other words, they look and sound pretty good, but have holes everywhere, and lack nuance and experience.
And if that sounds mean, I'm just saying they need to do more research, ask more experts, and people shouldn't consider anyone who can make a slick bio video as keepers of all knowledge.
I was a huge fan of NSYNC back in the day and I liked Backstreet Boys and they were definitely boy bands. But I will never think of BTS as a boy band. I never even heard them described as such until their fame started really growing here in America where we seem to feel the overwhelming need to categorize everything and everyone. Boy bands don't write and produce their own music and they lack the depth and passion that BTS puts in so many of their songs. And I thought it was so very typical of our American award shows that BTS had to share the limelight with American boy bands as if there is any comparison. However, BTS are humble enough I don't think they really minded. But I did and saw it for what it was.
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Somebody needs to redefine what a boy band is 😐
This got so heated xD
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Boys to men is a boyband
it's just too short to really encompass the boyband history. The non American boybands weren't even mentioned and they were big too in countries outside of the US, like Westlife, Take That, Boyzone.
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I agree with Lo & Keith. Don't get annoyed with me Nick 🥺 But I feel like if you're going to discuss (even briefly) the topic of boy bands and title your video "The History of..." then your delivery should be strictly focused on the major successes that fit the specific criteria of your video. I'm not going to dive too deep because I know Jerick be coming for the long comments lol. I understand where he was coming from but if your going to make content like a journalist then you should do the appropriate research. ☺️ Love ya'll #Redeemers Now on to Patreon to see the new drops 😊💜
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I don’t agree with you. I grew up with New Edition and Boyz 2 Men. I’m older than all of you. New Edition and Boyz 2 Men were a Boy Band to my Generation. All of you were not part of the Time. They were big to girls and boys just like n
New Direction. I’m confused by the banter. That was my Generation. I’m confused.
I feel like term boyband has been tainted too much at this point and maybe boy group or just group would be more appropriate as the spectrum really is broad. Coming from a Gen Z, I'd like to touch on the more recent groups because that's what I've been involved in and I guess yall could correlate it to your bands of the past as well. For now, let's narrow it down to maybe just One Direction, 5SOS, and BTS. Like what was said in the video, 1D didn't dance and were more focused on singing and visuals and in MY eyes, they are what a boyband is. 5SOS is different though compared to 1D right? Because they're more of a band than a "boyband". Their emphasis was more on the singing and playing instruments. While BTS, is also entirely different from the former groups mentioned. Also more modernized than the "boybands" during yall's time if we consider the complexity of their choreo and performances now which is why you hear a lot of btspoppers and kpoppers say boy group instead nowadays because again, they are nothing like One Direction who is our idea of a "boyband". I feel like the term has just been used as an umbrella term for groups that become popular but it's very much arguable what kind of groups they are and I understand that it is hard to actually categorize them when it's always changing. lol anyway... music is music 🤣🤣
It's not that deep, they even categorized BTS as a boy band and they're not. I think he just meant boy bands as men that are singers that are in a group.
Kim taehyung doesn't do savage he's born savage, bts spilling tea about each other and how bts literally know everything about each other