Before you Read The Idiot by Fyodor Dostoevsky - Book Summary, Analysis, Novel Review, Themes
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References:
Dostoïevski, F. M., Dostoyevsky, F., Arad, R., McDuff, D., & Todd, W. M. (2004). The Idiot. Van Haren Publishing.
Bloom, H. (1989). Fyodor Dostoevsky (Bloom’s Modern Critical Views). Chelsea House Pub.
Boone, B. (2017). Ethics 101: From altruism and utilitarianism to bioethics and political ethics, an exploration of the concepts of right and wrong. Adams Media. [[Creature in the Bathroom, pg 214]]
Frank, J. (2012). Dostoevsky: A Writer in His Time (Revised ed.). Princeton University Press.
Nietzsche, F., Tanner, M., & Hollingdale, R. J. (1990). The Twilight of the Idols and the Anti-Christ: or How to Philosophize with a Hammer (Penguin Classics) (Revised ed.). Penguin Classics.
Turgenev, I., & Freeborn, R. (2008). Fathers and Sons. Oxford University Press.
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There is nothing you have to read before reading "The Idiot" but before you read "The Insulted and Humiliated" you must read "Poor Folk" to understand who is your protagonist. If you wish to understand how a human could write "The Idiot" you must read "The Insulted and Humiliated" and / or "Dostoevsky in Love: An Intimate Life" by Alex Christofi.
FAVORITE AUTHORS
1st) Fyodor Dostoevsky
1) “The Insulted and Humiliated” by Fyodor Dostoevsky
4) "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
19) "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
30) "Demons" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
65) "My Uncle's Dream" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
80) "The Heavenly Christmas Tree" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
113) "Poor Folk" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
130) "The Gentle Spirit" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
141) "The Gambler" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
149) "White Nights" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
173) "Netochka Nezvanova" (nameless nobody) by Fyodor Dostoevsky
2nd) Leo Tolstoy
3) "Resurrection" by Leo Tolstoy
9) "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy
16) “Childhood, Boyhood” by Leo Tolstoy
62) "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy
91) "A Confession" by Leo Tolstoy
3rd) Ivan Turgenev
5) "Fathers and Sons" by Ivan Turgenev
11) "Smoke" by Ivan Turgenev
23) "Virgin Soil" by Ivan Turgenev
41) "Torrents of Spring" by Ivan Turgenev
64) "First Love" by Ivan Turgenev
101) "Acia" by Ivan Turgenev
107) "The Watch" by Ivan Turgenev
132) "Rudin" by Ivan Turgenev
141) "On the Eve" by Ivan Turgenev
152) "Home of the Gentry" by Ivan Turgenev
172) "Clara Militch" by Ivan Turgenev
177) "The Inn" by Ivan Turgenev
4th) James A. Michener
12) "Chesapeake" by James A. Michener
13) "Poland" by James A. Michener
36) "Caribbean" by James A. Michener
37) "Hawaii" by James A. Michener
197) “Mexico” by James A. Michener
5th) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10) "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
28) "Cancer Ward" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
44) "In the First Circle" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
78) "The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956: an Experiment in Literary Investigation" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
@@ReligionOfSacrifice I read all of the Dostoevsky. Some of Turgenev. I find Tolstoy boring. Dostoevsky exciting.
@@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633, before I came up with my top 100 favorite books list I would have said Dostoevsky is my favorite author, but upon making the list and reading many Russian books in 2022 Turgenev was my favorite author. But then in 2023 I read many classics and more Russian literature and Doestoevsky was at #5 at one point in 2023, but at the end he rose all the way back up to #1.
Ivan Turgenev stated that one day all the authors would sit under the shade of Leo Tolstoy and that was only after his first two books: "Childhood" (1852) and "Boyhood" (1856).
Leo Tolstoy went on to write "War and Peace" (1867) and "Anna Karenina" (1878) which are considered by the public to be two of the greatest stories of all time.
Tolstoy had his top three books beat Turgenev's top three books and so I had to evaluate and realize how many good books is not the same as favorite author who just didn't write as many good books.
Yet if I could claim books as mine I'd pick Turgenev's top five books as they reveal the depth of human conditioning of personality, relationships between people, perceptions on life, failures in ability despite all the passion or drive, and what humans honor, and, in his writing style, he reveals these things in ways that are amazing.
I wish I had written these five books more than any other books by any other author and all of them are by Ivan Turgenev: Fathers and Sons, Smoke, Virgin Soil, Torrents of Spring, and First Love. If you told me I could pick one more book to make mine, or I wrote, it would be "Asya" or "Acia" depending on how you like to spell it and that is also written by Turgenev and speaks of the idea of the wildness of women. It's not in my top 100, but who cares? What a story to write to describe how men sometimes see women.
The whole time I was reading "The Watch" I felt like I was reading the story of my best friend and I from 10 years old to 16 years old for my life and so if I could pick a seventh story to be written by me it would still be Turgenev.
The ending of "Resurrection" is sublime on two levels: society's answer and the ambiguousness of love.
Read 'The Brothers Karamazov' first. This was the novel that acquainted me with the Russian names - the surname, patronymic, the suffix, etc. There are fewer characters, and it is easier to follow, and you will be well-rewarded for it. I would also recommend 'The Double' and 'Notes From The Underground' as possible starting points. Both brilliant, the former criminally underrated.
Brothers Karamazov is even deeper.
I think The Brothers should be the last one to read, It's more complex than the others.
@@stupefyoreI agree.
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I would argue to read it last. It's his magnum opus; why read the best work straight away? Savour it for the end.
One of the best portrayals of The Idiot classic that I have ever seen. I wish more people come across this video and get the benefit.
That’s very kind of you to say so. We appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment.
“4 or 5 friends … with 4 or 5 names … it’s fine” 😂 So accurate haha.
As always, such an amazing introduction to a Dostoyevsky work. I can’t wait to watch your deep dives! You guys do a phenomenal job of exploring so deeply the details I might’ve overlooked or not understood. I read The Idiot last year and I still have questions, so I am looking forward to your thoughts!
I feel the same way after reading books too! Always great to hear other’s thoughts!
Great vid! The Idiot is my favorite novel above all novels I have read in my life. I got feverish from reding it. Almost insane. It is a masterpiece!!
Amazing!
Read it about two years ago.
It's not my favorite Dostoyevsky novel, but it certainly has a lot of "Dostoyevskian" content, which you've already touched on a little. It will be with great pleasure that I will attend your analysis. I love the way you deconstruct the books and look at the different layers that the books present.
In this one, as usal in Dostoevsky's work, there will certainly be many layers to explore.
I haven’t read any of his minor works yet, but this is as you say one of his works that shows how good he is for discussion and thought even if it isn’t his peak. Thanks for the kind words.
That... was a fun coincidence. I'm actually reading it right now.😊
High five
Same, literally just started 2 days ago. Fantastic so far
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I have loved "The idiot" from the first time a red it {aged 16} till now {aged 55}. I was a intrigued by the obsession from Rogozjin with Nastasja Philipovna, and I loved her ....Prince Myshkin was so open and honest which creates problems, but if that fits your soul, you should be like that anyway...
The love and care and thoughtful approach you take to your videos is very admirable!
Thanks so much! It’s true that it does take a lot!
Brilliant video, lads!
Thanks
Just what I need to understand and appreciate more. Might go back and start the book again.
I hope you enjoy it again!!
Good work man
Thanks!
My personal favorite
Thank you so much, I think this novel is so important especially nowadays. I listened to “Crime and Punishment” and I understood the plot, however I probably will relisten or reread it at some point to get a broader perspective on the novel.
However I remember finishing it at work, and realizing I listened to 20 hours of a novel written close to 200 years ago - I knew something was special about his work.
I’m listening to the idiot rn, I actually learned about it from the movie The Machinist. I’m on part I, however I’m so excited to study the novel. Thank you so much for this introduction to this novel!
Another thing I need to mention, I believe this novel is more important than ever, especially with the social climate (cancel culture, gatekeeping attitudes, etc.) I don’t know if this is a good point but I’d love some feedback on this thought process because as a man in the 21st century I find it very harder to keep up with the changing social climate and wonder if dostoyevsky can give me a better understanding of the new world we live in
Oh now I want to go rewatch the Machinist. The one with Christian Bale? Yeah I think it has a lot of relevance with today. I won’t say too much as our part 2 talk comes out tomorrow but my buddy and I discussed some things that happen today and compare it with 19th century Russia and would this or that work etc
@@TheCodeXCantina Yes, it’s a great movie. And it’s awesome that these videos are coming out at the same time I’m listening to it. I just finished the first part and started part two, and I found the first part absolutely hilarious. I love Myshkin sitting in the background of all the chaos, it’s my favorite part.
Hey! Great stuff! I just discovered your channel.
@6:43...about that firing squad: that was a regular technique of the Tsar. The three prisoners were lined up at dawn, and it went "Ready, aim...[horseman rides up]...you won't be shot today, you will be sent to prison in Siberia." Dead bodies were no use to the Tsar, he needed to send prisoners to go work. But first, they had to be broken, and this faux-execution made them docile.
There were three men about to be executed that day. One went completely mad, the other had his hair turn white instantly, and the other went to Siberia, wound up finding his wife and becoming one of the world's greatest novelists.
Perhaps you talk about this in a later episode: Dostoyevsky often uses names as part of his theme. My favorite is Raskolnikov in C&P. Raskol is Russian for schism, and that is a clue to the character. In addition, there was in his time and there still is a spirituality in Russia that no longer exists in the west. Russians consider Moscow 'the third Rome' that is, the keeper of the promise after Rome and Constantinople. There was a concept of the 'Holy Fool' in Russia in FD's time, a certain character that returns in a recent important Russian novel 'Laurus'.
That was great ty. Your description of the ants reminds me of the words of our Savior about the wheat and the weeds growing together. Peace.
The parable? Interesting to think about that! There are many lines in The Idiot that were almost Book of Revelation lines but it’s hard to know for sure as I’m reading both texts in translation. That parable is actually really interesting to compare w this!
I just discovered the channel and I love it !
Thanks so much
the idiot is one of my favorite book
Amazing review. Thank you!
I enjoyed every second of this video - thank you for making it. Really great skills, btw. I plan to read the Idiot in about 2 or 3 months.
I hope you love it. There's one particular part in this book and in Lemon that I particularly will be interested in hearing your reaction on...
@@TheCodeXCantina 👌🏼👌🏼 pretty exciting
@@TheCodeXCantina I’m now halfway through. Very, very good novel.
I finished the book 2 days ago. At first the ending threw me off as I didn’t understand the significance of it. Now that I’m mulling over for the last couple of days I can honestly say that I love this book more than CP. I remembered in the introduction when Dos wrote a letter to Sofya saying the effort to write this book would be a ‘positive failure’ and it all clicked. I’m just floored at the depth of this book now.
Brilliant! I remember when we had our Part 2 talk on this book it was a strange feeling going through this book one part at a time. I definitely have absorbed more of its depth over time!
@@TheCodeXCantina, the power of "The Idiot" is a Christ type person walking through life with no actual destination or direction. No cross to achieve and so rather we see how society sees the directionless Christ, envies the directionless Christ, distrusts the directionless Christ, or feels unworthy around the directionless Christ.
TOP TEN (10) BOOKS
0) "The Holy Bible: King James Version" copyright 1967
1) "Verbal Behavior" by Dr. B. F. Skinner
2) "Resurrection" by Leo Tolstoy
3) "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
4) "Fathers and Sons" by Ivan Turgenev
5) Myth Adventures - series by Robert Asprin
6) The Chronicles of Narnia - series by C. S. Lewis
7) "Vilette" by Charlotte Brontë
8) "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy
9) "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
10) "Smoke" by Ivan Turgenev
11) "Roots" by Alex Haley
12) The Silmarillion - The Hobbit, or there and back again - The Lord of the Rings - Middle Earth stories by J. R. R. Tolkien
13) Foundation Series - Isaac Asimov
14) "Eugene Onegin" by Alexander Pushkin
15) "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky
16) "Paris 1919: six months that changed the world" by Margaret MacMillian
17) "The Tenant of Wildfell Hall" by Anne Brontë
18) "Virgin Soil" by Ivan Turgenev
19) "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen
20) The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn - by Mark Twain
FAVORITE AUTHORS
1) Ivan Turgenev (Fathers and Sons)
2) Leo Tolstoy (Resurrection)
3) Fyodor Dostoevsky (The Idiot)
4) Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich)
@@ReligionOfSacrifice So happy to read your comment, and to see that you list the Idiot high on your top ten list of books. I haven't read Resurrection or the whole bible yet, so can't really argue for the Idiot to get 1st place on your list. But 4th is pretty darn great. It's my favorite novel, by far of any novel I have ever read in my life. Masterpiece!
@@niebelfromoz3479, when I finished "The Idiot" it was #1. I got saved since then and into Behaviorism enough to teach six little autistic children how to talk from mute to indistinguishable from their same age peers. Hence, the list is what it is for me. How can I argue with you if you stated "Crime and Punishment" was your favorite as that is an amazing book as well.
65) “The Autistic Child: Language Development Through Behavior Modification” by Dr. Ole Ivar Lovaas (1977)
This book above and not "The ME book" (1981) is the one you want from Dr. Ole Ivar Lovaas if you want to save a child from a life of disability.
But do you understand that the book by Lovaas would not exist without the work of Dr. B. F. Skinner?
@@ReligionOfSacrifice Wow, this has to be some kind of fate. First of all, I have an autistic child (so lovely to hear the work you are doing so well with autistic children!!) Secondly, I have 5 years psychology at university level behind me before I got sick and couldn't work anymore (but I am well familiar with B.F Skinner, and since I live in Scandinavia, I have of course known Løvaas and read some of his works. I am not a behaviorist, but have an eclectic approach to Psychology. Behaviorism is interesting and has a lot of good methods, so I understand the dedication to it. Thirdly, I am currently reading: Crime and punishment (for the second time in my life. First time is many years ago and I was too young to really understand it on a meta-level) Indeed it is a Masterpiece. But The Idiot speaks to my heart and soul. Very strange and nice to see other people out there who understands and appreciate good literalure and psychology. Keep up the good work, Sir. :)
i just realized the importance of those little sounds when images come on. kept me focused~
Bloop beep boop
the book is too dense for me, so I apprecaite y'all making this video
Great video, as always! It's been so long since I've read Russian lit, I really hope I'll pick something up soon. Thanks for the introduction to this novel :)
Thanks, Ana! Hope you enjoy whatever your next read is
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Thanks for all your clever and heartfelt efforts to make us better readers! I love your attention to symbolism and your enthusiasm is contagious.
Thanks!!
The fact you shared that sections of this novel were published before the next sections were even sketched out explains a lot. So much of this novel Dostoevsky seemed to be just spinning his wheels with no clear endpoint in mind.
I feel like it helped me understand a bit about what was happening too. Maybe he knew the endpoint but took different paths or changed it by the end too. Either way, was a different journey for sure 👍
You guys are just the best 👌❤
Trying to keep up with you!
@@TheCodeXCantina 🤗
I read the Idiot years ago. Have no recollection of it. Just vague memories. Crime and Punishment was visceral
Must find both in my chaotic bookcases and refresh my memories.
Oh yes. I have returned to his books from years ago as well and loved the reread
VERY well done. Thank you. Recently viewed a season of “Professor” a crime mystery set in St.Petersburg pre-revolution (extremely well done as well, in my view) which had me revisit “russian themes’ and now coming across this (algo’s at work i suppose, or synchroncity?) i WILL listen/read now “The Idiot’ - thanks in part also to your thoughtful/inspiring ‘intro’. Saluti. C
Thanks for the kind words
Now you made me wonder... we read all these at schools alongside with the history of that period, so we're descendants of all these processes, we know that the generation of Bazarovs contribute then to revolution, we feel the Orthodox - atheism swings back and forth. We even do this organic growth from associating ourselves with Bazarov as teens and then with Nikolai Kirsanov as adults. But that's a part of culture code. So the question is: Do we read smth like Lorka, Markes, Cortasar differently? do we miss smth in these texts, being unable to penetrate all the ideas ingraned as the aliens to those cultures?
Thanks very much ❤🎉
Perfect!
Great vid, just a minor remark, nihilism is more precisely described as the belief that nothing has value.
I read in a critical version that the term "Idiot" does not translate well from Russian. It is perhaps worth noting that in the Russian text the word implies someone who suffers from epileptic seizures and not an intellectual retard.
thank you for this ❤
Its not a page turner, god knows. It does stay with you though.
I just finished the book. The ending was a bit confusing and not sure what to really think of it. I didn’t really understand how the ending mattered or tied things up or not even sure how to describe it.
Anywho, the characters behaviors and personalities. How it guided their decisions and left me thinking about the depth of their characters were very eye opening. It was a masterful display of making characters very interesting and complex through settle dialogs. That’s what I enjoyed about it.
Thanks!
Doctoesky is classic
Good example with separating ants.
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maybe analyze the book deeply but with a spoilers alert on the description. I tell people the same info before they start reading, important to be patient and don't feel like memorizing every character is essential. You'll figure out the main ones, books pace is steady.
If you can't read it, at least listen to it.
Amazing presentation, guys.
#LFLR
"VBW"
Thank you 😊
Financial "plate" for plight?
I'm just here to say that Dostoevsky mentions Voltaire in the Idiot. I googled him. Turns out he advocated for the separation of the church and the state. Dostoevsky writes about it in the brother's Karamazov! Can you imagine! Now unto my question, if you've read the Idiot, is he an original or not😂!
Знаете, слава богу, что мой родной язык - русский, ведь я могу читать достоевского без изменений или каких-либо ляпов: трудно переводить русский на другие языки
Many people learn Russian just to read Dostoevsky in his native language.
Да, но вам та он тяжелее даётся, да и без акцента говорить не сможете, а ещё, тем более, не поймёте дореволюционный русский, на котором Фёдор Михайлович и писал. @@TheCodeXCantina
That ending though- 😔
Yeah... recording this in early Feb didn't foresee that.
This video left me on a cliffhanger... which I guess was the purpose?
Not sure if it was intended to be a cliffhanger. It’s the first in a whole video series on “The Idiot”
Is the P and V translation good? I bought it earlier today
A lot of people love it for its very modern friendly approach
The society that Is a "little bit crazy". A little bit? That has been my main issue revisiting these novels decades later... the people all seem totally nuts. It's hard to keep reading the nonsense, but, one has to trust the genius behind it all, I guess. I don't equate orthodoxy with any "moral compass". Nope. Enjoy the commentary though.
Christian thinking: good and bad ants. Nihilism: all just ants
Kindness love faith tested against a greedy society with morality tied to it's laws and culture
Lose the sound effects buddy. I found them to be obnoxious, unnecessary, and generally detracting from your otherwise intelligent analysis.
Thanks for the advice
Why in the flying pink Jesus would I want a summary before I read it?
Oh. I forgot to edit that. That’s just a default description added at the end.
Cool it with the blasphemous remarks.
I found that before you read the Idiot you must make sure your aren't an idiot first. If you feel you're suffering only from a minor case of idiocy check yourself thoroughly. May I suggest first watching the Twit of the year by Monty Python first. If you look up to the twits, like many on tik-tok will, keep watching it until you find it funny.
I almost want to say that Forrest Gump is an example of the "Idiot".
I was called naive just the other day by someone who really doesnt know me at all. I was judged by a brief snapshot of my life experience with this person.
I love random acts of kindness and i have given all of my things away throughout multiple times in my life. Its a very freeing experience not to be tied in with materialistic things and i prefer to travel light in life. I am always replenished in multiple ways.
They do say it is better to give than to recieve and God had to teach me a bit in that regard. Recieve everything with thanksgiving.
People who dont know and understand God or maybe particularly MY God cant make sense of my actions, but those are the actions of a spirit filled life.
I see a need and i try to meet it. Even if there is not a need i love to just randomly give to strangers and the various reactions are just so satisfying to me. Yes, good gifts do sometimes get rejected but that says nothing about the person who offered it but more about the person that refused. I figure if a gift is rejected i just move on and offer it to the next person who then may reply and say that they had been praying for that gift.
One verse in the bible always stuck out to me...that it was GOD who had shut up Pharaohs heart to not let the Israelites go.
So if something is rejected then it just hadnt found its intended place just yet. Ive always had what ive needed in my life and if i didnt have it then i didnt need it apparently. Sometimes ive had too much and i suppose thats where stewardship comes in...to ask God if i have such a surplus show me someone whom i can share with and if i have lack then lead me to where you will meet my needs at. Yeah i am a nomadic trucker...but its been in the solitude and anonymity of my truck cab where ive been able to be of most benefit in my life. Much as jesus had a hard time working miracles in his home town i still have people who dont really know me even tho theyve been around me for a long time. I used to waste a lot of time trying to explain or even convince others...now i just live my life. Not everyone will understand you or your purpose...and sometimes they are not supposed to. As long as My Father knows me...and he truly does...then I'm content and im not offended by the ridicule or other remarks i recieve or negative reactions. Forgive them for they know not what they do...they were just programmed differently from me 😅
I'm 14 years old, can i read this book?
Why wouldn’t you be able to?
Yes! I would say so.
You should look up a study guide. It may be hard to follow at some points since you’re younger and perceive time more slowly.
I have never read Fathers and Sons--despite how often it comes up whenever I discuss Russian lit. I will have to get to that one eventually . Look forward to the discussion tonight! 😎
Fathers and Sons is fantastic!
My favorite work by Turghenev.)
You should, more so than this novel
@@furdiebant Just ordered it! It does sound like one I will very much get in to!😎
Perhaps we could buddy read it!
@@TheCodeXCantina We should! And discuss it on Discord where I can actually be present! 😅
Why did you moderators delete my comment? I read the Idiot in the last year of high school in a wonderful course on World Literature. The teacher had us pick a writer and read his works and then write a paper at the end of the year. I chose Dostoevsky and read everything he wrote including his letters. Then I read Turgenev, Gorky, Gogol, Soholov, Pasternak, Solzhenitsin, etc. I found Tolstoy boring. Dostoevsky exciting. I read the Idiot a few years ago and realized that I didn't understand it back then. Idiot is a work of genius.
I see almost this same comment on the idiot part 1 video. Maybe you thought you put it here and it was on part 1?
You could mention the best translation?