Jordan Peterson: Wrestling with God, The DEFINITION of Truth, and Morality | Eric Metaxas on TBN
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson joins Eric Metaxas to discuss human morality, the definition of truth, and Jesus' crucifixion. What does it look like to press into walking closer to God, and does morality exist without God? Don't miss this special interview with Eric Metaxas on TBN!
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0:00 Intro
0:50 Framing Morality & The Obvious
13:48 Morality Without God
32:32 Why Is Faith Necessary?
37:04 Existence Of Angels & Demons
42:18 Is The Crucifixion True?
Started listening to Dr Peterson 9 years ago. He changed my life and helped turn it around. I lived a fun, free, and liberal life. One day I woke up and realized my life leads to nowhere. Despite my education and a career. Now I m a caregiver to my post stroke husband and experience great fulfillment.
wow, your life STILL leads to nowhere... you HAD education and a career, now you wipe your husbands' butt and chew his food for him....good job you! how is that filling you up with any will to live at all?...people like you scare me, because you think what you left behind is worse than where you are at now, and it's so much like actual hell i can't imagine doing any of that for you for one minute of any day. sounds like you're trying to convince yourself you actually have a good life. . "my life is so good now that i'm just waiting for my husband to croak! his pension makes it all worthwhile!"
Of all the hours I’ve spent listening to Eric interview people this is my favorite. Dr Peterson is brilliant. Eric is able to keep up with him and to ask for more of Dr Peterson than others. And Eric’s smile of real affection as he has to close out the podcast tells so much. Thank you Dr Peterson for all you do and Eric for bringing us this treasure. To God be the Glory.
Eric's smile near the end of the podcast seemed (to me) to be the point where he effectively demonstrated the inescapable truth that Jesus was who he said he was, and that all of Jordan's "practical approach" commentary, while being quite valuable by itself, is ultimately validated by more than a great story which is merely "a definition of truth." It's more than that.
"You dont get to question the moral order, no matter what happens to you."
I needed to hear this. Thank you, Dr. Peterson. I lost a part of my faith after losing my job. Then i lost my government funding after losing my job. Ive been miserable for 2 months feeling sorry for myself, and my family has had to pick up the pieces. Ive been bitter because I was the victim of someone elses lies and they were rewarded. I need to get my ass back out there and figure it out.
Thank you.
Best to you! So proud that you looked in the mirror and saw God’s beloved, whom the world needs. Yes! Eternity is worth the pain. 💜
Yes, the workplace has lots of backstabbers, but now you can learn from that sadly and move forward!
I will pray for you to get a job!
God bless you and your loved ones in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ!
✝️🙏❤️
I Pray you get a better stepping and Good luck for what it's worth
I just questioned the moral order. What do I do now?
Nice job at realizing this, sometimes that’s the most difficult steps. Best wishes for the future!
While some accuse Jordan of over complicating I’d say society has dumbed down everything. He has a knack for showing how complex the most important subjects really are.
Yes. Exactly. He’s not overcomplicating things. Reality is that life is complicated and people don’t want to think. But not thinking is blindness, and blind people fall into a ditch.
True. Folks nowadays, maybe they never have, don't want to deal with the hard questions. I haven't yet heard him throughout these years ask any pointless clarifying questions.
I am not a highly educated person. But for some reason I can follow along with what he is saying when it comes to religion, the Bible, “truth”, etc. Some complain that he drags explanations out and will use terms such as “word salad” and claim that he is over explaining things. I disagree. I get a lot from his viewpoints. He says things that I already know but articulates them very well and I appreciate it.
RIGHT!!!! You know, one of the most common responses I get from others is this: "You're over thinking it...." Like hell I am... 😂 I realize now what is and what was happening in that time... YOU'RE not thinking enough...I couldn't understand why. I know today and it's tragic and it will bring tragedy for certain...
@@Neo2awake - Hopefully, with age comes wisdom and the maturity to discern between over-complicating things which don't require it and the opposite, growing a backbone to keep on keeping on with complexity when the crowd ( including friends and family ) criticize you of paralysis-by-analysis, and to basically be oneself. I've been consistently judged by those who don't want to make the effort for deeper reflection over serious topics as anything from being stubborn to being over-thinky to being a pain in the ___ because I questioned or disagreed with opinions on such deeper topics. A kernel of truth in some of the criticism, for sure, but what are we looking for, anyway? A perfect human example of proper time and energy and thought and articulation?
Personally, Jordan has been one of the most refreshing thinkers / teachers on psychology, politics, and, yes, religion! In fact, I've told my fellow Christian friends that he's been a kind of surrogate pastor for me, and to his credit he's opened up new understanding for me of the Bible that I can't recall ever happening in any church setting. ( He comes at it with an appreciation for the angles of philosophy and psychology and mythology which are quite edifying and intellectually stimulating. And, yes, his longer stream-of-consciousness sermons and brainstorming sessions on his channel with a fascinating array of guests are trying...for some. Not me! I do the EXACT SAME THING with friends when in deeper, probing conversations of theology, spirituality, politics, psychology, art. So, guess you can say that I don't have much of a problem when he does it. He's far more well read and expands my mind and soul often. ) BTW: There have been times where I strongly disagreed with him and thought he was just off. So what. I/We ought to not look to any human being for what can only be found in God, anyway. On that note: Thank God for the mission / calling that Jordan is on in serving some of America's / Canada's / The West's needs ( well, the East's, too ) in a vital way at a crucial time.
Real morality as I know it is no longer taught in most churches. I'm a woman of color born in 1956 and was taught respect to leaders and adults. Church is hard for me because I am an Warrioring angel with little tolerance for coddling grown men, especially. Nobody really walks with me because I worked damn hard to pay off my condo!! I give no money to wasteless organizations..I just learned to do better with my income. Again thank you Mr. Peterson.
He is a practical person who is searching with all is heartto find God. His journey is more pure bcuz its not conformed to religious bias or propaganda. U can c tht he is in deep search for the truth which is all tht God asks us to do. Kno who u are following. He still needs to get there as do I. So i will contine praying and experiencing the glory of God. Keep the faith my brothers God is there to comfort us always
Honestly, and hopefully this isn't widely true, I'm hoping that Christians aren't prideful nor envious of Jordan's intellect in his Search for Meaning and Truth. Not making this up, there have been times where my education / level of intelligence threatened fellow Christians somehow ( not that I have used it as some kind of leverage or tool of pride against others ) and they were resentful, mean-spirited, out of nowhere. When people are impatient or even judgmental towards Jordan for not answering all of their questions as to his converting to Christianity or not ( which is actually none of their business to know his private beliefs ), it comes off as more of a bad look for those Christians, IMO. Not saying people cannot attempt to inquire in conversations, probe his mind and heart, but be humble as to how Jordan's search might not be in any way similar to one's own journey of conversion. Show him the kind of love and respect that one would want for oneself. Cast off any pride and envy. ( Again, not saying probing questions can't or shouldn't be asked. Don't impose where the Spirit is not leading to do so. Discern well. )
Thank you
I am so enjoying the fact that Dr. Peterson will not be coerced, bullied or forced to receive Jesus as his Lord and Savior but is doing exactly what The Holy Bible says to do..."count the cost"...so no man or ministry can take even a wee bit of credit! Great discussion~
I always enjoy listening to Jordan Petersen because I always learn something! 😊
“Faith is necessary because you have to step forward into the unknown.”
“But My righteous one shall live by faith, And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”
- Hebrews 10:38
"But we are not of them that draw back unto perdition, but believe into the saving of the soul Hebrews 10:39
One of my favorite episodes now.
An amazing discussion.
Continued prayers for Dr. Peterson and his wife and family and their growth in God our Father, Christ Jesus, and The Holy Spirit.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
god isnt real
My favorite thread in the Book of Job is that in the conclusion, God invites Job to a conversation. Outstanding!
Jesus is described as the Word. Logos. Which is the REASON of the universe. Dialog is essential in manifesting truth in our lives. It’s why marriage cannot work without honest communication. Well, no relationship can!
Before someone proudly proclaims the blindly ignorant and obvious statement at me, “Christ IS Truth”. Duh. Now move beyond the statement and into its meaning…
@@Logan-un6qwwhat's even cooler is that Jesus was the Logos in the flesh. Meaning that the Logos walked around the earth at some point in history. People dont understand how mind blowing that is.
It wasn’t just the pill. It was the acceptance of evolution into main stream thinking and education.
And the sexual revolution. Have as much sex with random people as you want. 20 years later AIDS showed up...
Jordan speaks. I listen.
I was extremely hurt when I was taught by Keith Moore and Kenneth Hagin that if I prayed enough I could receive healing and it didn’t happen. Same was when I had to watch my father die from cancer. It was a terrible ordeal to be convinced that if my family prayed for my Dad, Jesus would fix his ailment. Seeing my dad die was awful; living through my worldview shattering has been something that has nearly undone me… it’s been five years.
We must not judge the Lord, nor should we harden our hearts when seemingly an answer has not come. Instead, we need to trust the Lord and know he is answering our prayers in his own way and by his own means. As Isaiah taught us: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
I know it's going to sound harsh. But the will of God will always surpass the will or wants of mankind. But if you trust in him. You'll get what you need, which is rarely what we want.
@@MegaMerdeux it’s not harsh to say the truth.
Seemingly arbitrary tragedy / suffering is a strange thing. On one hand it will test and sometimes take the faith of those who previously had it. It will raise doubts, people will struggle and question, some may even give up. On the other hand it is the most consistent primary parent of faith to those who were previously without it. A lot will emerge out of such a hell as unrecognizable, their old selves gone, now replaced by people whose faith is unbreakable.
Now for what it's worth, perhaps consider looking into near death experiences and the such. The most common phenomenon shared by people who went through temporary clinical death is some sort of out of body existence. They float near or above their own bodies in awareness and can see their environment, sometimes even move around. This may imply that our consciousness is more than just brain activity. It implies that there is some other part of us, let's say a soul, which is tied to the body but which will also continue to exist after the body stops functioning. So who knows. Maybe your father is watching over you, and maybe you will be granted the ability to reunite with him on the day of judgement.
Good for you for continuing to walk. I'm no expert but I firmly believe that we are not promised we will be spared suffering, regardless of how much we believe. We ARE assured that Jesus is with us IN and through the pain. And that if we remain open, we will not only be able to endure but will find God in the walk through the fire, through the pain. It's paradoxical but everything worth knowing is.
I love both this conversation and the one they had on Peterson’s podcast.
One of the stumbling blocks for Peterson right now is that he takes the Bible and filters it through other systems of thought as opposed to primarily judging those systems, especially Jungian archetypology, by the Scriptures.
@gmcghee71
Thing is (IMO) He is So Close. Maybe he has to realize that Jung's archetype actually Happened.
Also believe it is NOT our job to say who is and who isn't Saved. That is handled by Someone MUCH more qualified than you or I. Our job is simply to spread The Good News, as best we can.
I don’t see him filtering. I see two modes of thought validating each other. Two witnesses validating a single truth.
If he was filtering, he would need to discard certain ideas, but as it stands I have not witnessed him discarding with any ideas from the Bible. Quite the contrary, I see Christian’s often discarding some ideas while weaponizing others for their moral and intellectual superiority in relation to Peterson.
Many missed it, but in a video celebrating his wife's recent entry into the Catholic Church, he was asked by the interviewer afterwards if he was going to do the same. He replied, 'Where my wife goes I follow'.
@@NightLetterLondon
"'Where my wife goes I follow'."
Smart Man.
If Mama ain't happy, Ain't nobody Happy 🙂
I would argue that the way he interprets the Bible is not completely his personal view which he has stated, but rather a scientific view that bypasses the confusion that is created by most modern religious institutions and reaches an audience that is searching for answers that Peterson provides. The understanding that he provides builds the groundwork for people to find their own path to God. The people who object to his way of teaching are not the people he is trying to reach. If you are unable to see the good provided and feel the need to "correct" something then most likely your worldview was shattered by something you aren't willing to let go.
“Our fundamental mode of being is relational”. Great truth.
It is both the meaning of life and the two greatest commandments!
Yeah, but it's pretty obvious too.
Eric, thank you for pressing Jordan on spiritual fundamentals. He needs to hear it more often and my prayer is that he makes that final connection one day.
Great Interview! I was literally watching the video progress bar around the 35:00 mark and thinking, oh geez how are they going to finish this conversation in 15 minutes! I found myself wanting a part 2! Both of you gentlemen are fascinating to listen to. Well done and thank you! 👏
Prayers for Prof Peterson and His Family.. To grow Closer to Our Lord Jesus!
This was a wonderful discussion on faith. I read Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy, by Eric Metaxas
It will leave you with a profound notion of what faith looks like, it was hard to keep reading the book when you know how it’s going to end. Maybe because I am a mother and have a son, I sobbed starting around page 5 or 6…but I pushed thru. I was astounded by Bonhoeffer’s parents religious faith also. If I was his mother, I would have kidnapped him until the war was over, I am still traumatized by that story. Listening to Dr. Peterson and Eric Metaxas discuss the Christian religion was wonderful, hopefully they will do this again.
Yes, I am a mother of 3 sons and reading this Bonhoeffer became like another. His death is devastating.
God will avenge his death and we know he is with his Savior
I enjoyed the book as well. I have consumed all that I could of Bonhoeffer and about him and his ideas..
*By good rights I ought not to have so much
Put on me, but there seems no other way.
Len says one steady pull more ought to do it.
He says the **best way out is always through.**
And I agree to that, or in so far
As that I can see no way out but through -
Leastways for me - and then they’ll be convinced.
Robert Frost
A Servant To Servants (1914)
why does pushing out a kid make you "know" how it's going to "end"? why is your opinion with a VAGINA mean anything? shrug
The mother did what Mary did
Time. That's what the fall gave us. Time. Limited time meaning a physical death. We don't have forever to come around. We're finite and more time is not promised.
How funny is it that there was an ad break when he was talking about how the cell phone will do everything to get your attention lol
Metaxas was so patient and gracious.
He tried to share the reality of demons, etc, and Peterson still sees the Biblical truths as "ideas", metaphors or archetypes. I believe Peterson will get there. It's evident he truly is wrestling with what is The Truth.
Bravo! Mr Metaxas!!
Peterson calls his new tour, " Those who wrestle with God" However, when Jacob wrestled with God, he already knew God personally. My belief is that is exactly how he had the boldness to dare to wrestle with Him in the first place. He knew God, and had great belief and trust to know that he could (even) have the audacity to say,
"I won't let you go until you bless me".
Jacob's name, (Identily), was changed through the encounter, from Jacob, (deciever), to Israel, (He will rule as God" in Hebrew.
The study of the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew are imperative if we want to know the truth for ourselves.
Check out The Strongs, or Vines exhaustive concordance. .
It'sfascinating, and illuminating.
On point Jordan Peterson as always!
It's funny when people try to disagree with Jordan Peterson from so many different angles and yet he's explaining complicated things so understandable and relatable wich is widely helpful.
- We don't have to try to correct Jordan Peterson. It's only you that has to correct, judge or make claims of yourself, otherwise it just foolish since all this man is doing is helping millions of people ,religious or non religious, become better people.
Why would anyone, That isn't doing that, want to try to correct or judge or claim that they know better. It shows only who you are not who he is FYI.
I’ve been wanting there two to come together for years! My frustration with Peterson is he knows these things, teaches these things, and yet refuses to commit to these things (at least publicly).
That IS his own decisión,we shouldnt judge him
Yet he commits way more than many so called "Christians" . Proclaiming Jesus and yelling his name all the time doesnt mean anything. Jesus said it itself "depart from me, for I never knew you"
When JP crosses over to the other side and recieves Jesus as Lord, Savior, forgiver and God who loves him. When he enters into a genuine relationship with the Living God, through Christ, it will be a blessing of a day. To him first, his family and so many others.❤
I love these types of conversations. I feel compassion for JP. He is so brilliant on so many levels which I think may get in his way of simply accepting Christ and God's truth as literal truth. I applaud Eric for trying to get him there. When Eric pointed out that God is a person, that we can know Him, that others like Moses have known Him on a personal level I was hoping it would break JP out of his whole conceptual idea mode. For many years the simplicity of what it took to become a Christian always got in my way. It made no sense to my human logic. I knew I was guilty of many sins, not just actions but thought & words; all of which I could never take back. I knew there was no balancing the scales of eternal justice. It made no sense to me that God sent Jesus to die in my place; that by choosing to repent & accept by faith that I needed Him as my Savior & Lord I could be saved, delivered , transformed. Once I did I was convinced. I hope & pray that JP & others like him do the same.
People who are too intellectual don't get it
I think he believes, quite frankly.
@@Bachconcertos Smart people believe in a 'god',
You accept the historical existence of Jesus?” Einstein: “Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life"
The trickster has arrived is all I can say. We keep trying to take back control.
There is a simple way. Its surrender into the loving arms of Jesus.
Its a relationship, and that time spent with the Lord is sweet, not always wrestling.
Have you ever wrestled with someone, and ended up with both laughing your heads off? There is a joy. Lying there exhausted God shows how He wins everytime, and the frustration is gone.
Holy Spirit come is my welcoming daily prayer, or Thy Will not mine be done.
We can honour or respect the ancestors, and the heroes of the faith, but do not pray to them, because God is greater, and God's mercies are new e every morning.
May God bless you Eric. Being in the presence of someone wrestling is being a true friend.
"We're at a point where The Obvious has to be explained."
Very Well Said!
Only someone who has not learned the word of God fully, and understood how a believer is supposed to learn, will make this statement. He is one of these people. Though shalt have no Gods before me!
John 8:31-32
He has the most comprehensive, viewed, and impactful teachings of the Bible in history, with thousands of people attending events and thanking him personally because listening to those teachings altered the course of their life for the better. And you’re claiming to have better understanding. That is called delusion. And pride.
@@Logan-un6qw
The major some of us have is Carl Jung and his views on religion in general and Jesus in particular
@@stevenwiederholt7000 He doesn’t agree with everything by Jung. He is his own person. He learned things from many sources, but did not blindly adopt any system of thought. Jung can be wrong about some things, and right about others, and a person with discernment can see the difference.
@@Logan-un6qw
Understand Ii am a fan...But he is Jungian.
Normally I dislike fame and popularity of people.. I don’t follow JP.
But as a Christian I enjoy (to the point of tearing up) watching ANYONE seeking God. On his on pace, through his own path in life. I pray for JP soul and I know he’ll make it home.
Been watching JP since back in his classroom videos. He sees the good within the Christian faith for people. He has come out and said he won't give anyone control of his tongue. This makes me believe what's keeping him from God is pride and a unwillingness to submit. Although i am making assumptions. Wrestle with God, but know you can't win and become humbled to submission.
JP is a scientist, God is in the realm of faith. He exists beyond what science can explain and will always be. JP is trying to push that boundary a little further, and that is what he sees as his role.
If he went into the realm of faith, let's say the supernatural, then he knows just as much as anyone else, nothing.
Astute
I think we all wrestle with god when our sinfulness struggles to survive when we meet God for the first time,we do the most not to submit. I don't think he means it in a way that he opposes god, but he means it in a way of struggling to understand god on your way to theosis
@@sotiriskubu8320Christ is risen! ☦️🙏🏾
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa Indeed He is Risen brother ☦️🇬🇷
This is wonderful - so glad these two made the time to sit down together ❤️🙏🏼❤️
We all wrestle with God.
I appreciate the added dimension Peterson adds to moral discourse
Nothing is hidden that won't be revealed. Deep.
Great conversation!!! Love these guys!!!
“ I think I knew that “ made me laugh
He is a good example and relatable! For sure!
Watching from Canada on the replay
I have heard, numerous times, Dr.Peterson talk about the meaning of Job’s story being, it’s never beneficial to lose faith. I agree, that is an important part of the story but it’s not the ultimate point. I believe, in the story of Job, God was using Satan to show Job how valuable Job’s relationship with God is. Ultimately, Job learned that his relationship with God is the only thing that is really within his or our power to control. God himself is bound by his own law or truth when we conduct ourselves as Job did, with absolute loyalty to God, in spite of the circumstances at hand. Job was given the opportunity by God, to learn that he could command Gods loyalty through absolute loyalty to God. If we allow ourselves to know God as Job did, we will learn, God can restore, correct, etc. any physical circumstance or condition but He can’t rob us of our agency to choose this, that, evil or Him. Job believed and came to know, his loyalty to God would eventually right all the loss and wrongs, he could possibly experience. The knowledge that We have the power to bind ourselves to a perfect God, can do away with the fears of any mortal consequence.
Wonderful conversation to listen to!
Fabulous interview!! Thank you so much Mr. Metaxas!!
Great questions Eric, got so many good nuggets from this interview that I needed. I came to faith by putting my 100 reasons not to believe aside, and left it to my heart. My heart said YES Lord *I believe*. Hope Jordan can do the same, God Bless 🙏🏻♥️
Thank you! Two titans of faith engaged in a wide ranging discussion. I appreciate your giving the discussion so much time.
Titan of psychology yes but I would be wary of considering JP a titan of faith.
@@bringbackthefiretv495 I wouldnt anymore, its quite clear.
Peterson is a Titain professor of psychology. He is keeping devoted to his trade.
As to his personal belief in Jesus, he like the rest of us is in progress.
Don't give up.
Awesome interview!
One of his best interviews
This was superb. God bless
Thanks Jordan and Eric!
Mr. Peterson needs to let The Holy Spirit in to his heart so he can fully trust God's WORD.
Love & enjoy listening to you both!
Blessings to you both.
I became a Christian at about age 12. Life was great until 28 when I lost my health. What a hard journey its been toward maturity ; listening to this reminds me of that goal. Although its not the life I ever would have chosen, I can see from this end that it will be worth it.
The guy who discusses bone cancer in kids doesn't understand his own example. It rots for the parents of course. But that's what I have now but after a long life suffering from something else if it were up to me I would rather have died from it at age 5 than after a horrible struggle
2 of my favorite people. I suspect JP will miss a lot of Eric's jokes. He has such a depth of compassion. We saw him in Charlotte last week and are still pondering some of his points.
You notice Eric isn't joking like he usually does.
@@Kay-tc3goI've never watched this person's podcast but I follow JBP. I thought this hosts jokes were tame, surprisingly really funny, and he was charming.
I like that they argued a bit, it helped paint a lot the different sides.
Amazing, Eric stayed serious for the whole discussion.Now that doesn't happen too often. Even his demeanor seemed thoughtful and serious.
thank you Dr JP you forge on and we need you too its an uphill journey we appreciate you please know that
No one truly knows God without surrendering one's heart. The great thing about Peterson is even though he is a pragmatist, he has immense heart in everything he does. I believe Jesus knows this and is working on him day after day, year after year. To watch the journey unfold is truly a sight to behold. Glory be to God for His patience with us as we are slow to understand.
"We are at a point where the obvious needs to be explained" JP is so right with that one statement.
I don't feel that this is over complicated..... but i went to college for 10 years and learned Latin which lead to 2 languages. Latin helps in knowing the root meaning and endings of words. Then, long words are just simple prefix, words, suffix put together. I also have a clinical psych degree... but i believe, it's desire to learn and eagerness to understand that helps one to understand Jordan. Look up words, put it on pause. That's the way we did it in 70's, 80's, 90's and today
Eric, it takes a lot of courage to believe in God. It's worth it, of course, because that courage is rewarded by God with more courage
Eric needs to believe in the God in people who are not in his high net worth financial bracket.
What God?
@@MangyPL There's only one.
@xaviervelascosuarez Which version of this one God? Catholics, protestants and various sects all have different views and beliefs over who this God is.
See “Knowing with the Heart” by Roy Clouser (from the amazon blurb) “The famous scientist and philosopher Blaise Pascal memorably said that “the heart has its reasons the mind will never know”. But too often it's forgotten that Pascal, in referring to the heart's “reasons”, was not talking about hunches or cozy feelings. Instead he had in mind our intuitive knowledge of “the first principles of number, time, space, and motion”. And he believed God can be known in the same way, so that belief in God has the same justification as scientific and mathematical principles. Was he right? In Knowing with the Heart, Roy Clouser develops a broad, compelling case for Pascal's position....”.
love your channel Eric..
and of course love Jordan Peterson..
What a phenomenal conversation. Brilliant men. Iron sharpening iron.
God is the One infinite, therefore, “We who wrestle with the Infinite One.” In such a case, everything from infinite Good through to the bottomless pit of hell must be reduced, via interlocking logics, within calculable categories, down to one, all-inclusive explanatory divine Principle. You're on the correct path Dr. Peterson, - all success.
Jordan that jacket you are wearing.... biblical
Excellent questions Eric. It's funny it's almost like he's trying to give an explanation to his experience of the Holy Spirit trying to touch his heart 😊 It's about time somebody as smart as him asks him difficult questions. Keep up the good work may God bless you and your family
I saw JP's suit jacket and had to click on this. I love him and I'm so excited to read his 4th book!
Thanks Jordan! Yo are a true scientist and a very true believer. You are making a new way for synthesis between reason and faith as the great intelectual believers: Benedikt 16, Chesterton, Thomas Aquinas! Etc. Go on! The world needs you urgently. Try to translate your lectures. Thanks a lot, and God bless you. HG
That suit jacket is just outrageous, I love it!🔥👌
He's cloaked in the armor of God. Ephesians 6:10 Amen❤️
He's covered in Our Lady❤
Breaking down the phenomenon again and bringing it all together. ❤
This is an excellent discussion between two men trying to understand the meaning of the Bible.
The Holy Bible can and will continue to be interpreted thru different minds. I tend to believe Dr. Peterson is on the same path that all of us are trying to walk. One day hopefully building up to the Evangelism.
Thank you for this conversation.
I've been thinking about this question lately. I'm not sure why.🙏
OmG... wished they would've talked more❤
So fascinating to see believers hone in on the submission piece of the puzzle. He’s said he reads the comments so he hears you and my sense it that you’re correct
I imagine this becomes increasingly difficult as one approaches his level of intellectual horsepower, aye there’s the rub
Could be that his lingering in this limbo may ultimately draw in more believers when compared to any other state of personal/public belief
Wow, back on RUclips!
"where is god in that" "either at the apex or the foundation" that's exactly right and I'd argue it's both simultaneously, god is the rock that you stand on for stability and the vision above that you constantly look to
Thank you, Dr. Peterson!
Quality
WOW!!! TBN
I fully agree with the interviewer on Dawkins and how he has largely put himself in a domain he doesn't belong.
Love you guys your so smart. Thank God for your wisdom, thanks for sharing it. True intelligence and truth in communication is so damn beautiful.
When Eric brought up the Pill and how the 40’s and 50’s gave rise to its propagation and the sexual revolution, I thought of Carl Trueman’s book “The rise and triumph of the modern self” as a gateway into understanding the constellation of variables and worldviews that paved the path towards the sexual revolution, tracing it back centuries to early philosophers and artists, to Darwin, Marx and Nietzche to Freud and the politicization of sex through academia. I urge everyone to read it as a window to beginning to understand the complexity of how we got here.
Thank you Eric so glad to have Jordan on with you. I loved when you went to his site and talked. He’s awesome and the two of you did a great job and the more people like him you can have on the better it would be in my opinion, thank you so much
I love the way Eric cuts to the analog clock in the studio that is STUCK at 3:33. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks this matters. (Go to 2:58)
I dont see any clock at 3:33. An ad immediately starts at that point. What clock?
@@MegaMerdeux Go to 2:58. In the studio the clock that is visible reads "3:33". Later on it reads the same.
This is certainly one of my favorite all time vids out of anyone who has interviewed Peterson to date, because of the abundance of biblical knowledge of the interviewer & because of the depth of biblical insight from the interviewee. Unfortunately, we the church think way to literally in modern terms because of the era we are raised in, but Peterson refuses to indulge any of that nonsense of the materialistic world that we grew up in when people press on him to define transcendent concepts like God & the spiritual realm.
Peterson thinks of demons in a more pragmatic way. And his way of thinking about such things prevents us from escaping the moral & spiritual implications of these concepts. Thinking of demons in more literal or tangible terms allows our minds to see them as boogiemen rather than the immoral dragons they are who long to posses & destroy souls.
We as the church ought to be ashamed for adopting the modern area’s perception of materialism in relation to defining such concepts & Peterson is a breath of fresh air that helps believers escape the boxes of modern thinking & understand, believe & live in a more timeless & historic - even an eternal way. This is exactly what the Bible is proposing from cover to cover.
It’s all over the gospels as well, as Jesus never answers anyone’s questions directly, but rather answers everyone in ways that are more true than what serves as the basis of their questions in the first place.
It is the nature of all mankind to think inside the box, but Christ, God & scripture always challenge us to think outside the box as a way of growing up into what God has intended for us from before time began.
I simply Love Eric's line of questioning. Well positioned to point Jordan deeper truth. It is clear from paying attention to Dr Peterson's work that God is indeed working in his life, I think most significantly as a means to pour out common grace to creation.
I pray that the Lord would have mercy on him and open his eyes to the truth of Jesus Christ and salvation through repentance and belief from our merciful God who took on flesh to pay for our sins and clothe us in His righteousness. 🙏
I love JP. He knows God. He knows the Word of God. He has helped others in so many ways. Although he doesn't come out with what Christians want. But that's not important. I believe he has his own relationship with God. 🙌🏾🙏🏾
I love Jordan Peterson and have learned a lot from him. It has been fascinating to this point to watch his journey.
“Is it true?” Is not a stupid question. Is it true in the sense that the second Person of the Trinity historically took on real flesh and physically died for the sins of the world? That’s a good question.
I don’t see Jordan Peterson as someone who tries to shuck and jive, but my goodness, he tries to be so precise in his language that he picks apart, instead of directly answering, the most obvious questions.
You can see Eric growing as he relates to and keeps up with Jordan. Eric knows more of the overall Bible than Jordan while Jordan unravels the picture into its smallest pieces....making this a most interesting and enlightening conversation.
I've seen several comments criticize Jordan Peterson's approach to the scriptures but I don't agree. Dr. Peterson provides an important perspective and just reflects his focus, which is psychology. As someone who grew up in church and became committed to the truth of God's word and Jesus as an adult, I can say that he takes God more seriously than most people in the pews. He certainly studies the Bible more than most. People herald C.S. Lewis because he made Christianity intellectually appealing. But it can only be so because it is already true. Dr. Peterson likewise adds a meta layer to the Bible and states the obvious--that there are recognizable story arcs and that we do operate more in narrative than in disparate, atomized facts. But God is in the story of our lives, but He is also the source of logic and reason, goodness and self-sacrifice. It makes the Bible more true to me because it resolves issues on every level of our being. The God of the Bible is psychologically, intellectually, spiritually true. He is all in all. As for Dr. Peterson's equivocation about demons, a lot of Christians don't actually believe in demons. They believe in the heaven part, but not necessarily hell or negative forces. I know spiritual warfare is real and is on the rise in our witchcraft-loving world, but if that's the criticism, he again is not too different from a lot of purported believers.
I think it's uncomfortable for believers to think someone doesn't believe "spiritually" or speak in spiritual language, but what is faith except acting out what you've accepted as true? That's what Dr. Peterson does every day and encourages others to do. I agree with another comment that he's dusted off the Bible for a new generation of people who thought it was irrelevant and archaic when it's completely the opposite. The word of God is alive and active and sharper than any two-edged sword. If the only thing that remains for Dr. Peterson is to confess Jesus as Lord and believe he was raised from the dead, I can certainly pray for that but I think he's well on his way.
It's not about telling the truth, its about knowing the truth
It's not enough to just know the truth. Knowing the truth without applying it is worthless. Satan knows the truth because he's spent eons being personally instructed by God when he was angel, but it doesn't benefit him because he won't practice it. Christ said the one who DOES what He says is the one whose faith is resting on a sure foundation.
Morality refers to the goodness or evil of human acts. Human freedom makes a person a "moral" subject, or agent, able to judge the morality (goodness or evil) of the acts which are chosen. The morality of human acts depend on the object(or nature) of the action, the intention or end foreseen, and the circumstances of the action.
What hook me to my screen is Jordan Peterson wisdom.
Wonderful, so I appreciate these conversations.
If there is no evil, then there is no good. One needs to be real in order for the other to exist. Good versus evil.
So before "God" alledgedly created the universe God was not all "Good" because Good can't exist absent evil, is that right ? 🙄
"Good" and "Evil" are words used to describe movement or points on a reference standard or scale conceptualised by man that is based upon our shared goal with regards wellbeing and the values it incorporates like empathy altruism reciprocity equality, respect ect
Whether an action is "Good" is entirely relative to the desired objective / goal one is trying to achieve, the specific situation our levels of information and understanding and the range of posible alternative actions and outcomes available. Whilst "God" is also a man made concept, the percieved whims of your "God" do not reflect these shared values and thus are irrelevant in any discussion of morality.
Would you disagree ? What outcome do YOU think we are striving for when we use the the terms "good" or "Evil" if not human wellbeing ??
Thank you Eric... Jesus is Truth, as well as Life and the only Way out of this mess. Jordan Peterson loves truth. I pray for him to get that Jesus personifies it all!
Dr JP definitely sounds like king Agrippa whom Saul/Paul told “ I wish you were not just almost but that you believe in the LORD Jesus except for this bonds!” This is when the king said to Paul “You’re beside yourself Paul and you almost convinced me to be a Christian” I will say JP is close and I pray the Lord break the barrier in his way! We can never figure God’s out based on our tiny knowledge no matter who we think we are! Praying for him!🙏🩸🔥🤲
Although the interviewer made somewhat his points for too long (he speaks too much!!). It is always a great learning when l see/hear or read Jordan Peterson.
Jordan agrees with atheists that Biblical epistemology is grounded strictly in mythos (per his debates with Sam Harris 6 years ago), but he parts company with them as he asserts that because this very same Biblical epistemology speaks to transcendence, this has imparted evolutionary adaptations that have encouraged our species' survival.
He's religious-friendly because he's a Jungian pantheist at heart and endorses a history of religion perspective like that of a Mircea Eliade. That's the key to understanding Jordan's analysis of Christian theology evidenced by this discussion with Eric and why some falsely accuse him of using word salads.
Wrestling w God in this context involves a chosen one as the only one who can wrestle with God. I love Peterson, but he has not surrendered his sinful heart to the Savior that has shed His blood for this purpose
Some people say that they are surrendered to Christ, but refuse to acknowledge the truth about themselves. Still hiding from that truth, and covering it up by judging others.
Meanwhile others may not proclaim to be “surrendered” in the sense that you expect, but genuinely acknowledge their faults and weaknesses, and pursue truth which burns those faults away, despite the pain.
And which is justified before God?
Well done Eric, I think this was the best interview you have ever done. I wonder if Jordan was disturbed by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Your facial expressions, your poise and forbearance, clearly He was there. Jordan please surrender to Jesus. He is THE way THE truth and THE life, He really and truly is.
hellll yeah
To your points on identity, a wise and inspired man said:
“I believe that if the Lord were speaking to you directly, the first thing He would make sure you understand is your true identity. My dear friends, you are literally spirit children of God.”
"...no identifier should displace, replace or take priority over these three enduring designations..."
"...doing so could stymie your progress or pigeonhole you in a stereotype that could potentially thwart your eternal progression..."
"other labels...will ultimately let you down” ... “because they do not have the power to lead you toward eternal life in the celestial kingdom of God.”
- Russell M. Nelson
Good evening Eric and Jordan
So much of life's bumps has and continues to test. Simply don't have the words right now, hard work. However thankful for Jordan, he has for many years now helped me nudge my spirit in the right direction. Story short.
And if I had a bucket list, an extra long conversation with Jordan would be on it, for sure.😀
Truly grateful to you both.
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