The Real Reason Primož Roglič And Bora Hansgrohe Should Be WORRIED
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2024
- Primož Roglič had a below par Paris Nice finishing the lowest since his dramatic 2021 edition of the race and maybe this is a bigger concern perhaps than he will admit.
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Primož is a Fighter..he proved everyone wrong so many times as no one I can remember..every fall in a start of something special with him. This PN is just another start of unbeliveable story. I belive in him and will cheer for him till the last race he wil do.
Well said
He said in one of the interviews for Slovenian media he has been sick several times this winter.
Excellent info, does shed some light
Could you share a link to that interview?
Can’t wait for Basque Country Jonas vs Roglic is gonna be so fun to watch
and evenepoel
It's still too early in the season. There is plenty of time to get into shape and establish form as well. I wouldn't worry about this
I agree
@@davidgeissler8620 I don' agree, he is going to struggle with this team
He'll have it hard to win the tour or any other race where jonas, tadej and remco are. However he has a history with winning. Furthemore it's his first race, it's too arrogant to conclude he'll do bad yet. He's gonna be at Itzula basque country in a few weeks so then we should see his level against Jonas. Hopefully the weather will be better this time. He doesn't have a good history with cold and raining conditions except his win at Lagos de Covadonga.@@davidmasland5627
Roglic will be there for the TDF…
He do not like the cold weather, also he did not want to risk too much on wet roads. Still his very best won't be enough for Pog and Vinge at Tdf. But perhaps he will be lucky this time, or Jay or Alex could ride away, like Kuss on Vuelta.
Visma got a big win letting him go at this stage of his career and getting something significant in the process as well. He won a lot last year but nothing dominant. Him going life and death to beat a dinosaur in Garent Thomas was eye opening to me. When was the last time he won a mountain stage in dominant fashion going solo? Not sure why he was upset about the vuelta since Jonas was superior in the third week and would have easily won if they were all permitted to go all out in the last week.
Because if he had been allowed to go all out before the Angliru stage, he would have destroyed Jonas on the Tourmalet and would have kept his wheel on stage 16, so he would've won. Instead he gave up 2nd place due to team tactics and really only got to go hard on one climb on stage 17.
@@danielhall1473 no, both stages promos win he had someone on his wheel. Both stages Jonas won…no one was able to go with him. Primoz is done unfortunately. He went life and death to beat the cycling dinosaur, Garent Thomas. He couldn’t even put away a Jonas who literally pooping himself on the side of the road the second week.
@@luiscolon921 if you think letting Jonas up the road especially on stage 13 was anything other than a tactical play, you need your eyes checked. Primoz and Sepp both closed half the gap in the last kilometer.
@@danielhall1473 The thing is that Rog has never had that bite that Jonas has. Jonas doesn't just kick in the last 2Ks, but attacks from far further out and when he does, he destroys. I've never(!) seen Roglic do anything close to what Jonas does, and I honestly don't think Roglic has been better than Vingo since around late 2020 when it comes to stage races.
The 2023 Velta saw a Jonas that was marred by a stomach bug in the first week and which he carried into week two, but when he kicked that, Roglic couldn't shake him. And that was after a hard Tour in his legs.
There is absolutely NOTHING that suggest he could 'destroy' Jonas. Such a stupid comment.
Ask yourself if he'd be a Bora if he was even close to Jonas' level? There is your answer.
First race of the season for him and brutal weather as well. I think he's probably starting to lose a little but the drop off wouldn't be that steep that fast.
He been loosing a little over the last three years while others have gotten stronger. He is still very strong but with stiff competition like he is getting and will see will struggle to get podium.
Thanks for the content
A 3% decline in ability is the difference between 1st and 8th
Money ruins everything. Look at Sagan. The more he made, the less he won. The worst thing you can do to a pro rider if you want him to win is pay him $6,000,000/yr. I don't know the details of that contract, but even if he never wins a single stage or race for Bora, I'm sure he will still be paid millions and millions of Euros. So... what's his motivation to work hard now? He's getting older... he's had some bad crashes--the effects of which will certainly still be with him forever. (Look at Froomie; he's never recovered fully from his last crash.) I like Primoz. He's always had that sprezzatura... and I understand why he left Jumbo... ego is a big thing and the money... goddamn... $6 MILLION a year... but now he's riding AGAINST the best team in the world--maybe in the history of cycling. It aint gonna be so easy to win now.
I‘m afraid that the best times for Roglic is over. I really like his style of racing, but I think he’s not a Tour de France favorite any more.
As a Roglic fan I am worried. Hopefully he is concentrating on the tdf?
Nah, he has been sick twice in the winter leading up to this. The weather was atrocious, and the TTT affecting their leg compared to UAE dropped him down a fair bit. He also didn’t crash so I’m happy with that. Lets see how he goes in some other upcoming races.
I guess it is still early. I felt that he is testing the team, to get more info and build up the team for the Tour, which is his main focus.
Yeah, it's early, and I'm concerned, especially since Tadej and Jonas look so good. We'll see.
It could be that they are both in top form too soon. Although Pogi is going to the Giro and this timing of his form is still ok, it is quite strange for Jonas, because in previous years he was in significantly worse shape at this stage of the season.
@@uroskra77Jonas is very similar to his last season... and some danish commentators indicated that roglic has been sick several times in his start up season. So nothing to worry about 😊
are you sure he is similar to last Year?
He was beaten by Pogacar and Gaudu in Paris-Nice and now he completely dominated.
@@Lotschi after last years paris-nice jonas pointet out that there was some private issues who did that his performace could not be optimal... and tadej and gadu was really strong too
@@finnwillyalbkjensen6960 ok, didn‘t know that.
I think after loosing so much in the team time trial because of weather and bad team tactics, Roglic wouldn't unleash his full potential, as the chance to win GC was quite low then. We will see after altitude training in the giro, if he still is the same roglic.
Vingegaard was much stronger at 2023 VUELTA -
JUMBO put a much stronger leash on him !
Primoz is still a class act, still one of the best of his generation, still one of the most-watched riders, still a superstar, but so far this season, it is clear that Jonas and Tadej are the two clear favorites for the Tour, with Remco likely for a jersey other than Yellow of his choosing. Yet, like Cav, Primoz is a mighty good showman, too, and come July, he could very well be Mr. July as baseball great Reggie Jackson was Mr. October for his performances in the World Series.
Teams should share the Glory & unfortunately 4 Roglic he wasn't allowed 2 be able 2 have a Crack @ the Velta .
Hopefully @ Bora 😅 he will be able 2 do exceptionally well @ both TdeF , Velta
Last week Lefèvre on a podcast said Roglic has paid (i am not sure about the amount, i think it was 3 mio Euro) to Jumbo-Visma to be allowed to leave
True Roglic did not appear snappy in Paris-Nice. But this is one race and the reason could be anything. Let's how the next one goes.
Roglic left Jumbo and in a few months he changed from a champion to an also run. I would like to get what guys at Jumbos are having.
Good video.
After the wins in PN and TA, at Visma HQ they are saying: Primoz Who, who was that guy again? But in all honesty, its early days, there's plenty of time for Primoz to rise to the TdF occasion...
I agree, some reason for concern but I do not agree with your take.Dane. IMO after the TTT he realized it was going to be near impossible to win. I'll bet he gave Vlasov the green light for glory because he is a mature racer and knows a happy lieutenant is a strong ally for the TdF. I also believe he got so cold during the final stage that he just mailed it in. 10th place or second holds little difference to a rider like him. And why risk a fall in the first race that you cannot win? I have enormous respect for PR and I am fully confident he will be competitive at TdF. Now if that matters with Jonas around , I'm not sure.
I think Roglic got a a great deal and it was a good time for him to move. It is still early in the season and he needs to use his momentum now to focus on the tour and change his mindset from a supporting role to a leader.
Shocking to see rogla this bad at paris nice, where he normally has already been so Strong! Yesterdays Stage was looking very Strange, seemed like he is so far away from his best form, thats not the rogla we know, nearly no attacks or anything
No Jumbo juice....
@@rexmundi273so you’re accusing Roglic of not only growing older but growing stupid? Like he wouldn’t know of any special cocktails he was taking and competing without them going forward? 😂
@@luiscolon921 Visma has the best juice, together with UAE. Probably he doesn't have access to it anymore at Bora.
@@rexmundi273 why would he move if he didn’t? Would you? the answer is a simple NO. If he was taking something special at Visma he would take it along with his coach/trainer which he did.
@@luiscolon921He earns 3x more at Bora, that's why he moved.
While I think we will see better form from Roglic later in this season I think the bigger issue is his team. VLAB or UAE can select 7 very very strong riders to support their captain in a grand tour, but Bora is way more limited in that regard.
And then: how good is his peak at this point in his career? Even if he beats Vingegaard, can he beat Pogacar, or vice versa?
I don't see that TDF for Roglic happen to be fair, not with the current amount of younger talent around.
Jury’s out for the minute but disturbing signs
Wieviel haben sie für Roglic bezahlt?
Hat sich bis heute sicher gelohnt!
I'm curious if he'll skip the TDF and wait for La Vuelta.
Time is not on his side. He's 34 and starts every season like a mad man who loves to win. Roglic is not not a slow starter. Last year it took everything he got to beat Geraint Thomas in the Giro with 14 seconds. The same man who was a level or two under Pogarcar and Vingegaard in the Tour of 22 and ended more than 7 min behinde as number 3
After crash, where Tao was also involved, Primoz got some stiches on his leg. And he won a Giro! So yeah by 14 sec and few stiches for bonus. Respect that.
Shocking news? Were people really surprised? I think Roglic will be somewhat worse off due to less resources a Bora but in Pairs-Nice prolly just a combination of the cold and just pacing his Tour prep to peak at the right time-just a different approach this year.
It's early in the season he is just warming up.
May be they will surprised us with Jai Hindley & P.R to stop the VISMA flow and UAE Tour de France .To get at list one jersey.
(My opinion)
The jai hindly that Jonas wrecked in the tour and recently in Tirreno?
I really thought he should had joined Ineos
Cars are a constant pain in the bum and make little sense. Evs are a massive step forwards for loads of reasons.
When Roglic lost a lot of time during the TTT. He basically wasn't going for the overall win any longer. Finishing 6th or 10th didn't matter. He even said it an interview. He was going to use the race to get kilometers in his legs.
Let's not all freak out just yet. He just did top10 hardly making an effort and being sick
He did his best 32 min. power ever in the TTT. I n the fu..ing TTT. That just shows how strong he is right now, nothing else
Bora really messed up by not finding a way to keep Uitdebroeks. Sure he's a bit of a hot head, but he could have been a fantastic addition to their TDF campaign. Roglic, Uijtdebroeks, Vlasov, Hindley, Martinez, Van Poppel, Jungels, and one more Rouleur could have been a crazy team if they had made it work. Sure they'll just have Sobrero or Kamna instead of Uijtdebroeks, but imagine having a team where literally 6/8 riders had gotten top 10 in a grand tour GC, that's kinda crazy.
je ne me fait pas de soucis pour Primoz ! il va se refaire une santé après ce froid de paris Nice .
The guy is older now, 'nuff said.
I think it is a little misleading to call his previous experience with Visma w/long altitude camps and the red bull funding a benefit for him. It has only been 3 months so there isn't any time for that relevancy to set in vs. him just being a good rider. Expecting Roglic to keep every single small detail of his coaches logs is not something I'd count on and for the red bull funding you still have to find the use for it.
I'd possibly given him the Monte Lussari and Angliru as an example of how he could beat his rivals through long mountainous climbs from last year but he is facing an even tougher caliber of opponents come into the TDF.
Really got to take it with a grain of salt, it was because of Roglic that Vlasov was able to attack.. Many of the favorites were sick over the winter so time will tell.. btw, how ‘bout them young Americans! Does make for an interesting cycling season!
Roglic will be there in the TdF, carrying water bottles for Vlasov
Of course his results wont be as good as over the past several years - he’s on a worse team now.
Age 33 to 34 = 3% decline
He signed with Bora for the big bucks, like anybody would.
Primoz is gonna pip Tadej on the line at LBL.
I don't think any 35 year old has ever won the TdeF.
It's called getting older. Roglic is almost 35.
Roglic will bounceback, plus im sure 3x the salary he has now than what he had at Jumbo also helps. That team never gave him anything he deserved, while he put it on the map.
2024 will likely be difficult for Roglic and Bora. 2025 will be better. With Red Bull team will be stronger too.
Roglic and Remco will be lucky if they're battling for third at this years TdF after Paris Nice. Roglic shape is questionable at best and his attitude is one I've never seen before. He didn't seen that bothered by his lack of performance. Remco is in better shape the Roglic but not quite the 'ride the peloton off my wheel' shape as it has been in the past, maybe he's up a few kilo's? He has regressed as far as his race craft though, the guy is constantly burning matches seemingly for the hell of it because it didn't help him win.
It's because he's building with a sole focus on peaking in July, as opposed to years past when Jonas had that luxury (remember how he was demolished by both Pog and David Gaudu in last year's Paris Nice) and Rogla was Jumbo Visma's main man to win every one-week race in the year. His base is solid and he's just lacking that explosive punch that is the hardest fitness to maintain and easiest to add on to a solid base.
Shift decline, yep
Maybe due to that crappy bike...
No Visma, no wins. Primož is without strong team just an average rider. But he made a good decision moving to Bora. Decision in money.
Its bloody March!! who wants to be flying in March? Primoz big problem is staying on his bike & stupid crashes if he can stay healthy he can win the tour no doubt.
People who think Roglic gives a shit about winning Paris-Nice are just adorable.
Way too early for drama.
Primos crashed all the time. If his goal is to leave Visma so he can win the tour, he not going to risk crashing in a bunch sprint at Paris -nice.
he's just going to crash out of the tour anyway, like he always does. meh
I really hope to not crash 😮
Too Soon
If you read or search any of previous comments I did... Rog is same age as Quintana... Meaning he is a generation older than this ... Jonas Remco Mvdp WVA Pog era...it is and is not father time... This now a days generation has something more something else... A better routine and rounded grow up from the ground... Ketones has nothing to do with it... If you want you can list more riders the same age those 2 ... Some not on the GC win book ... But you will notice the generation skip is there... The talent is missing... And if you see the newer generations the Ayuso the Arensman the del Toro... And many other have a lack of the same thing... But then what is that thing... 😅... Is not ketones is something in the joy and the hunger of this boys now men doing what they like ride bikes at a level the world has never seen... Am sorry but Rog or Quintana or Landa or Uran or Carapaz would not reach out the new school maybe a flat tyre or a bonk but then how many times can those things happen. Rog is maybe a second case of Frome... Moving to get down in the dumps.
He's only Human. Give him a chance He could be laying low.
Bora can't race, they have poor tactics and their riders are not as strong as the visma riders. It's never the strongest rider, who wins gc, it's the team with the best tactics. It really has very little to do with Primoz.
Already in 2023 he wasnt that strong. 1. GIro, Burgos and Catalunya sounds great, if you look at the Top3 of these, the competion wasnt that strong (no poga, remco out, no compare to vinegaard,). Still a guy for GT Top5 and Winner for one week racers but no big win anymore.
He beated Remco Catlunya 2023.
He is getting a little long in the tooth. Maybe his best years are behind him.
RED BULL is not JUMBO JUICE!
ROGLIC will have HIS OWN JUICE wherever HE GOES because he knows ALL RECIPES
No more jumbo Juice for Roglič.
After 7 years at the team, I bet Roglic knows the recipe for his favorite juice.
A new team, new culture and the missing Jumbo Visma lunch bags.
I bet Roglic can pack his own lunch bags after 7 years at the team.
Unglaublich welcher Druck aufgebaut wird von dummen Fans. Er muss doch nichts beweisen, er ist ein starker Fahrer.. er muss erst noch hineinkommen...langsam
Rogla always crash! now he is at Bora a team with much more passionate fans he needs to step up and not fall behind even more
No more Jumbo juice, no results for Roglic.
Roglic knows every detail of Jumbo juice, you're just trying to make a bad excuse for him.
It's funny how the moment he leaves Jumbo, he becomes a pretty average rider. We'll see how it evolves in the next few months but right now, it sure feels like he doesn't have the right "magic potion" anymore...
When Roglic who was the best 7days races rider moves from Jumbo Visma and he barely gets in top 10, and Jorgenson moves to Jumbo Visma and wins the Paris Nice by beating Remco, and 6 months before that he was just a breakaway rider, we all now what everyone should be worried about. Nothing new, just another confirmation.
It will mean money down the drain for Primoz. 6 million wasted.
Didn't primoz already won paris nice so who cares he want to win TDF that's it and its going to be this year let's go primoz!!!!!!!!!!
Dude is off the Visma "programme" and it shows😂
I'm sure Roglic knows his "programme" after 7 years at the team.
@@HolgerDanske874 its not about "knowing it" its about have the right stuff.😁
@@roddas26 Bora have doctors on their payroll too...
@@HolgerDanske874 yeah I know.
So does Matteo Jorgenson who is now felling the effects of the Visma programme. 😁
@@roddas26 Jorgenson had better numbers at Tour of Oman last year than at Paris-Nice this year. I know, you don't like facts, but I'm here to cut through your lies.
The fact that Visma are using IVs to recover has a huge unfair advantage. Roglic no longer has the program to cheat via IVs. Matteo will now have that program to recover and win. 🤷♂️
Why can't Roglic not do the same as Bora?
Come on dude be realistic .Visma is one of the most unreliable team on earth 🤡🎪💉🍅🍅
So is Bora. Ask Cian if you don’t believe me.
Or maybe Roglic just isn't that good anymore.
It’s March who cares