I think john needs to do the hurco factor tour in Indianapolis. Or get a tour of a job shop that uses hurco machines. I know they are not the fanciest machine but once you catch the hurco bug you cant go back lol.
Wire EDM probing works great. I used an OLD one years ago. The most amazing thing about EDM is no burrs what so ever on almost any kind of metal and the fact that you can cut "uncutable" things easily.
I program and run Citizen Swiss lathes for work and I watch your channel to learn about milling so seeing your excitement for that Star was really cool!
At the job-shop where I'm doing my internship they have a Swiss-type with Mitsubishi control which runs 3 G-code programs in parallel. Batches are as small as 200 parts.
Hey John, I work a few doors down from Reynolds at Nuvasive. We have quite a few Chirons as well as Star Swiss lathes. These machines are amazing at how productive and advanced the technology is at making complex parts in such a small footprint.
There are actually quite a Lot of probing and measuring cycles on a wire EDM Machine! And it's Pretty accurate too. Wire EDM Machines are designed that they Run a Lot of time without someone standing besides it. Even if there is a Power failure my fanuc robocut Machine will restart the work automatically when the Power is restored. Or they will automatically shut off if any failure in the machining time occurs (wire breaking and it couldn't refeed the wire e.g.) But the funniest thing imo is a little 8kg wire spool of 0.25mm wire holds up to 20.000 Meters of wire!
Wire consumption is variable - you can change the wire speed (feeding through the work piece) - really depends on the part you're machining and what that output is in regards to tolerance. The biggest issue that I've dealt with in the EDM world (especially for wire machines) is the maintenance of the machine. What John saw in this video was a display model - nice and clean and wasn't running parts 24/7. Sometime you may have a shop or shop leadership that want more parts out and don't care about maintaining the machine....You can essentially think of an EDMW as a giant sewing machine - a bunch of tiny rollers, choppers, and tiny pieces that make the machine work. If not cleaned or maintained, I've seen the AT (automatic thread) be not so automatic and require manual threading each time a machine runs. I've already done a lot of cool stuff with the wire in regards to aftermarket mods or programming but if the machine isn't maintained - it definitely puts a damper on things and impacts the process. Pretty cool overall - and definitely cleaner than EDMS machines because of the water.
BGW Machine I absolutely agree... If there is a Lot of work to do and the Automatic wire feed has a malfunction working on a EDM Machine is a pain in the ass. Usually you should clean the wire feed once a week, but aint nobody got time for that :D Wire Consumption can go from 1 metre per Minute up to 15 metre per Minute (on my Machine at least, never worked on a different EDM Machine) .
the AWT unit may be a pain in the ass if it's not maintained properly, but i think, that its design is the key. you can buy wire edm with 600 mm X travel for 70000 dollars and for 170000 dollars. in case of productivity - it may be better to buy the cheap one. but among others, it's reliability that doubles the price. i've worked with cheap WEDMs for few years and now i'm lucky to work with expensive one. with the same amount of maintenance, the difference of AWT reliability is really huge(and this comparison is rather fair, i'm talking about two almost new machines) any day i leave my current machine to cut 40 holes through the night, i know that it will thread the wire with no problems, and when i come back in the morning - job will be done. Always. With the cheap edm - not so sure... and talking about wire length - some machines have got an optional extra called "jumbo feeder" that means usage of 20 kg spools - about 50 kilometers of wire :) sorry for my bad english
sad, that they didn't have a Stama machine showing off. They are amazing aswell. Saw and talked to them at AMB last year in Stuttgart and they had a machine make HSK indexable drill bodies all in one setup.
EDM is cool bit of black magic, I understand the science, but I feel like I don't have a good grasp on how that science is implemented. Always wanted to see one of them in person. Guessing its a lot like NiCr wire cutting foam...
Ha yeah! We do a lot of training for some big companies and they wanted us to offer a course on edm. We bought one as well as a sinker to go along with it.
I had never seen an EDM machine before. I think in about 20-50 years from now, these will all be obsolete as nano tech would become the defacto of manufacturing. Parts or even complete products would be produced in a vat of goo filled with nanobots and raw material. The theoretical accuracy would be +/- 1 Atom ! Let's hope humanity won't destroy itself by that time.
Hi John, Love the wire EDM! We have a pat pending on A wire EDM Multi axis alignment tool. We did a video on it on our channel. Check it out, I think you will like it. Steve
Ask directly. It wouldn't help you if I tell you the prices here in Germany. BTW keep an eye out on the power requirements of Chirons. The FZ 15 for example is rated at 58kw...
The Japanese machines can be horrendous for visibility. The Mazak i500 with pallet changer is terrible to see into. Not knocking the quality of it exactly, only get that machine with a robot loader for true production on proven parts, not for First Offs.
By educating and promoting decent craftmanship John does more good to the economy and society than hundreds of consultants and economists!
Great to see around and to see the prices.
I think john needs to do the hurco factor tour in Indianapolis. Or get a tour of a job shop that uses hurco machines. I know they are not the fanciest machine but once you catch the hurco bug you cant go back lol.
Wire EDM probing works great. I used an OLD one years ago. The most amazing thing about EDM is no burrs what so ever on almost any kind of metal and the fact that you can cut "uncutable" things easily.
Keeping up with the tech in this field has to make your head spin! I can't believe how far things have gotten just in the past 10 years.
I program and run Citizen Swiss lathes for work and I watch your channel to learn about milling so seeing your excitement for that Star was really cool!
At the job-shop where I'm doing my internship they have a Swiss-type with Mitsubishi control which runs 3 G-code programs in parallel. Batches are as small as 200 parts.
Hey John, I work a few doors down from Reynolds at Nuvasive. We have quite a few Chirons as well as Star Swiss lathes. These machines are amazing at how productive and advanced the technology is at making complex parts in such a small footprint.
You work at Nuvasive?! That's awesome! I've heard you guys have one heck of a shop!
those machine prices seemed very reasonable
There are actually quite a Lot of probing and measuring cycles on a wire EDM Machine!
And it's Pretty accurate too.
Wire EDM Machines are designed that they Run a Lot of time without someone standing besides it.
Even if there is a Power failure my fanuc robocut Machine will restart the work automatically when the Power is restored.
Or they will automatically shut off if any failure in the machining time occurs (wire breaking and it couldn't refeed the wire e.g.)
But the funniest thing imo is a little 8kg wire spool of 0.25mm wire holds up to 20.000 Meters of wire!
WOW that's a lot of wire!!
Wire consumption is variable - you can change the wire speed (feeding through the work piece) - really depends on the part you're machining and what that output is in regards to tolerance.
The biggest issue that I've dealt with in the EDM world (especially for wire machines) is the maintenance of the machine. What John saw in this video was a display model - nice and clean and wasn't running parts 24/7. Sometime you may have a shop or shop leadership that want more parts out and don't care about maintaining the machine....You can essentially think of an EDMW as a giant sewing machine - a bunch of tiny rollers, choppers, and tiny pieces that make the machine work. If not cleaned or maintained, I've seen the AT (automatic thread) be not so automatic and require manual threading each time a machine runs. I've already done a lot of cool stuff with the wire in regards to aftermarket mods or programming but if the machine isn't maintained - it definitely puts a damper on things and impacts the process. Pretty cool overall - and definitely cleaner than EDMS machines because of the water.
BGW Machine I absolutely agree...
If there is a Lot of work to do and the Automatic wire feed has a malfunction working on a EDM Machine is a pain in the ass.
Usually you should clean the wire feed once a week, but aint nobody got time for that :D
Wire Consumption can go from 1 metre per Minute up to 15 metre per Minute (on my Machine at least, never worked on a different EDM Machine) .
the AWT unit may be a pain in the ass if it's not maintained properly, but i think, that its design is the key.
you can buy wire edm with 600 mm X travel for 70000 dollars and for 170000 dollars. in case of productivity - it may be better to buy the cheap one. but among others, it's reliability that doubles the price. i've worked with cheap WEDMs for few years and now i'm lucky to work with expensive one. with the same amount of maintenance, the difference of AWT reliability is really huge(and this comparison is rather fair, i'm talking about two almost new machines)
any day i leave my current machine to cut 40 holes through the night, i know that it will thread the wire with no problems, and when i come back in the morning - job will be done. Always. With the cheap edm - not so sure...
and talking about wire length - some machines have got an optional extra called "jumbo feeder" that means usage of 20 kg spools - about 50 kilometers of wire :)
sorry for my bad english
@Clickspring interesting to hear about how you get your fire pistons made Chris! These guys are amazing! 20:21
I went from using a Brother edm, and now on to a Sodick. Man wire machines can be tough to learn but they can make some amazing stuff.
sad, that they didn't have a Stama machine showing off. They are amazing aswell. Saw and talked to them at AMB last year in Stuttgart and they had a machine make HSK indexable drill bodies all in one setup.
EDM is cool bit of black magic, I understand the science, but I feel like I don't have a good grasp on how that science is implemented. Always wanted to see one of them in person. Guessing its a lot like NiCr wire cutting foam...
Those Hurco's are a good alternative for the Haas haters. Samsung is an interesting lathe, price doesn't seem to be out of line with it's competitors.
We've seen preparing CAM for 3-axis machining. Can you tell us about the same work for 5-axis?
We just put our 5th axis trunnion on our HAAS - so 5AXIS cam videos coming!
These guys are just up the road from me off I-75 👋
Awesome video again, thanks john.
Hi John,
Fine open house tour video. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family.
Thanks!
Love the tours, keep it up!
Awesome tour! Just one complaint - the video wasn't long enough. I could have watched another hour of it!
:)
Awesome
Great video!!!
Hi John try to set up a Hurco plant tour
The Grimsmos got an EDM? Sick!
Just thinking about it? Also cool!
Just thinking, I believe
The college I work for just bought that model of Mitsubishi EDM
College?!?!
Ha yeah! We do a lot of training for some big companies and they wanted us to offer a course on edm. We bought one as well as a sinker to go along with it.
Several colleges have wire EDM machines. I installed one at a tech college in Tennessee.
Yeah the community college i went to trained us on 2d operation/programming.
I had never seen an EDM machine before.
I think in about 20-50 years from now, these will all be obsolete as nano tech would become the defacto of manufacturing.
Parts or even complete products would be produced in a vat of goo filled with nanobots and raw material.
The theoretical accuracy would be +/- 1 Atom !
Let's hope humanity won't destroy itself by that time.
do you use master cam to program them?
We use Fusion 360
Spark erodes they don’t cut pedantic I know but engineering is a precise game so let’s start as we mean to go on 😂
Hi John,
Love the wire EDM! We have a pat pending on A wire EDM Multi axis alignment tool. We did a video on it on our channel. Check it out, I think you will like it.
Steve
I didnt see the price on the chiron
You don't want to
Luke but i do i am looking at a chiro. Fz08
With an. Rotary table
then maybe ask Chiron?
Ask directly. It wouldn't help you if I tell you the prices here in Germany.
BTW keep an eye out on the power requirements of Chirons. The FZ 15 for example is rated at 58kw...
The Japanese machines can be horrendous for visibility. The Mazak i500 with pallet changer is terrible to see into. Not knocking the quality of it exactly, only get that machine with a robot loader for true production on proven parts, not for First Offs.
cutting chips? you mean makin chips
价格跟中国国内基本一致，偏贵一点点
EDM diesel engine fuel nozzle orifices. :-)
seeing this stuff is demoralizing
👨💻John nyc.cnc & c/o Best videos Touring factory's > TECHPORN tours 👍👨⚖️🕺📈