As a little extra here, if you are having struggles on the trail try different lacing techniques! Some can help relieve pressure in certain areas and help prevent blisters or just make a shoe feel better overall. Thank you for watching!
Top notch thoughts. Facts like "durability depends on weight" and "different trails need different shoes" are rarely mentioned, but reflect my (very little) experience.
Gotta say it's refreshing to hear that you don't praise one brand only, but encourage people to try on all kinds of shoes and find whats best for *them*. That is sometimes forgotten when people ask for advice.
I traded the word "shoe" for "mate". Then you were making good sense- deep thoughts to ponder. The perfect one feels great from the get-go, no break in period needed!
So much wisdom in one video, this is the best summed up video about thru hiking shoes I've seen :) Thanks Jupiter! I hope go get on Arizona Trail next year. Greetings from Belgium.
I stopped using trail runners by accident. I was using Topos. I still like them, but I was having hamstring issues. My hamstrings just felt weak all the time. My knees and feet ached all the time. I bought a new pair of hiking boots that were on sale around Thanksgiving. I wanted something to wear in the snow and sloppy weather of winter. Other than trying the boots on for fit, they stayed in the box. I probably had them for a month before I started to wear them after the weather outside finally started to get bad. The thing I noticed after 3 days of using them was my feet and knee stopped aching. My hamstrings started feeling better. I think the issue I'm having with the trail runners is the drop. Even a Topo with a 4-5 mm drop still needs to be higher for me. I got high arches. I'll keep looking for a shoe, but I think I'm over low drop shoes.
thats a killer shirt dude! I used Merrill trail gloves for all of 2021. I noticed this past year I hike completely different with those shoes. I step intentionally and therefor my feet take less wear and tear. The thinner the outsole the more comfortable I feel. its a weird thing.
My perfect shoe is the Altra Lone Peak. Perfect blend of comfort and protection from rocks. But I have almost flat feet and I think they don't work very well if you have high arches. Been wearing altras for four years now and last about 8-10 months before they get too worn down.
Solid video Jupiter! In regards to cushion.....I've found that hoka speedgoats are super stable, where I've found other hokas and all brooks to not be. And at 6'4" and 210 lbs, the cushion helps my knees a lot. No real trail feel but that just the deal. Like you said, it's gotta be what feels best! Keep up the good work.
Great to see someone else using the Mesa Trail. Picked a pair up last summer and they've been really digging them so far on the trail. For me they've been very comfortable, great ground feel, quick drying and light. I'm happy that they have the zero drop and foot shape too. I bought a pair of the Xero Alpine and they've been great with the deep cold and snow this winter in the northeast. Loved the video Jupiter!
I've tried everything from Altras to Hokas, and they're great, but my wide ass feet have fallen in love with New Balance "More Trail". I don't know why more long distance hikers aren't talking about these but I'll put them to the test on the A.T. soon. Enjoyed the video Jupiter and looking forward to following your journey on the PCT. I know you'll crush it but best of luck anyway.
@@JupiterHikes I've tried several lacing techniques for the same reason but the More Trail works for me. They're lighter than the Hokas and breathe better (for me). There's a guy named Shaker Hikes that recently completed his Thru of the A.T. and his More Trails got a pretty crazy amount of miles...speaking to their durability. Check 'em out.
I like Merrell Moab 3 non-waterproof, hiking shoes with Dr Scholl's Heavy Duty Work insoles, instead of the Merrell insoles they come with. They fit true to size, need no break-in and they're light and very comfortable. They also dry out faster than waterproof footwear, that always gets wet anyway.
I’m a tiny female so I’m happy to hear that my 90lbs body weight might afford me a shoe discount for my upcoming PCT attempt! :) Maybe I’ll see you out there. When do you hit the trail?
@@JupiterHikes how i see it, proportionally much of your gear is also bigger for your body weight- at 5'0" 100lbs I have to use a lot of the same base items, like cook set and med kit and electronics, as a much larger person. each item like that is a higher percentage of my body weight, if that makes sense. stuff like clothing does scale up and down with your body size and i'm glad for that. but i had to start out with the lightest gear i could afford to get my pack under 1/4 of my weight fully loaded with just a few days food.
Spittin' shoe truths right here 👍🏽 Just want to comment on the Hoka stability remark since I've heard it from several hikers that haven't actually worn them: from my experience a higher stack is NOT inherently more unstable. I have twisted my ankle on flat ground with 5mm stack Reef loafers and been stable on trail with Hoka Challengers. Ankle strength and mobility is a big part, but also how sloppy or not the fit is imo will play a more important role that the stack.
Good solid video, I agree completely with everyone's feet are different and no one shoe is ever best for everyone - I often think of the little Mexican Abuelitas I've seen carrying babies and toddlers though surefooted as can be and springing along on rough mountain paths in flat leather sandals as if their feet gave them absolutely no trouble at all, and they do that every day, then I think of most Americans and Europeans who need well built and supportive shoes to just get through a few miles. I'll be the first to say that I NEED GOOD shoes in those sort of conditions and that is partly because I have always worn good shoes, my whole life, I believe we may be doing ourselves a disservice sometimes by not letting our feet become naturally strong and sure from an early age as do most people in less affluent cultures.
I tried on a bunch in an athletic store in the middle of nowhere cause my shoes died and I liked the Saucony Peregrine 11. Probably something I would have never wore but man they're super comfy, my new fav. Light, med thick sole with rockplate, good on wet rock, and cloth is weather proof and strong. Thanks for the info. So right. And I love how soothing you sound tbh. Very calming. Great vid.
To fine tune and add some additional points to add to what is said. Your natural gait and the way the shoe is made will help determine the longevity and durability of a shoe. Watch you tread, look at where your footwear fails, and how it is constructed. Some reinforcement in certain areas could help lengthen how long a show lasts.
I am a little older. What tends to happen is later in life you will have damage to your feet. You won't experience this until your 40s. I would try to get more cushion then the minimal shoes. You will thank me later in life. I was Infantry and a runner. A thru hiker is even more susceptible due to extreme distance you guys do.
Hi, did you have a chance to test the new version of the Joey yet?... Sorry, it might not really fit the theme of this particular video l but I thought im gonna try and ask you on the latest :) Greetings from Germany I really enjoy your videos!
Dude yes! The joey has by far been my favorite pack I've ever used. The new one definitely has improvements the old version needed like extra pockets on the straps and nicer fabrics. Been loving it. Even considering selling my other packs just to use the joey most trips. I don't think it has enough volume for my hike on the PCT this year but it was super good for half the AZT and TRT.
I really love my Hokas, the cushioning is fantastic, used them on so many day hikes and mountain climbs and always felt great after. Then I brought them on a shorter thru hike, and the toe box was just too narrow as my toes started splaying more outwards. Got lots of blisters because of it, broke my heart too haha because I really thought I had found the shoes for me. Shame Hoka don't make any shoes with a wide toe box.
topo athletic. just put some trail venture 2's on and wait for your feet to start singing. way more stable than any Hokas and in my opinion has the perfect level of cushioning.
Some good advice on the video. Everyone is different & we all have different feet, I prefer to size up a little if needed as the longer your'e on your feet then the foot can swell. Trail runners can be great for hiking, it's just a matter of finding what works for you 🏃👍
I got a few pairs of timps and lone peaks that were basically brand new at a rei garage sale then I inherited 2 pairs of superiors from my mom, so I was all set for the pct for very little money for shoes. Even tho more cushion the timps for me started to roll inward fairly quickly. ... the lace up area is off set so that seemed to be the culprit. I tie my shoes using the 'runners knot' . This helps the shoe to slip less moving downhill. And I use injinji socks to avoid blisters.
i so agree with the trying everything. i got a pair of xero mesa trails a while back after seeing so many people say they were the best minimalist hiking shoes and while I liked the thickness they just fit like garbage and i couldnt wear them.
There’s a shoe out there for everyone. It might take you a long long time and hundreds of dollars to find the perfect shoe, but you will eventually find it, and then they will discontinue it or change it. So, if you do find the perfect shoe you should buy about five pair of them or you will wish you had.
I had some shoes from ONE and ALtras and both have given up on me quite fast :( i got Saucony that are many years old and stood the test of time. So im looking in to more rigid asics or saucony for my next pair.
Used a merrel for around 4yrs. Now using quechua from an online decathlon store. Quite happy with these. Found them better than columbia shoes both in grip as well as waterproofing
Many helpful points here. Hope the PCT goes well. Some sections of a thru hike are different, Mojave Desert is softer than Oregon with some volcanic pumice like rock etc. Perhaps different shoes for different sections within a thru hike. Having lived in Jordan and now S Korea, there are fewer brands that are available than in the USA. A trail running shoe you do need to try on, website mail order buying could go terribly wrong.
I am really diggin' my Mesa Trails I picked up a few months ago. I may never go back. 5mm stack height is proving to be very comfortable to me. Good stuff man. Thanks for your input.
I am starting out my next hike in a pair of Timps and then switching to a pair of Lone Peak after about 400 miles. I am prone to foot injuries early on. So I believe it will be better to start with a little more cushion until my feet have properly adapted. I also do most my training on pavement and I have found that I do not like walking on pavement in Line Peaks.
Hey Jupiter, have you ever suffered from metatarsalgia? I've been struggling with finding the right footwear for this problem that cropped up for me. I have mountaineering boots. I bushwhack and scramble and build trails. Boots are great for that but can't go far. So I have been playing with the Topo Athletic Trail Venture 2 and it's enabling me to go further but then off trail I get more foot problems just trying to maintain stability. I know probably I should kill hiking until my foot gets better, but honestly I'm addicted and have two trailbuilding projects that I don't want to put on hold. Trying to schedule out my time in a general sense and looking at 2024 as the earliest date I can thruhike the CDT or the PCT. But really I think the CDT will be my first because of it still being so remote and "make your own adventure" as a part of the hike. I need to get better feet, hoping though I can just back off of my extreme activities but still hike. And finding it a bit difficult to do that although those Trail Venture 2's are pretty dang good and I can hike 20 miles of Big Sur without experiencing too much foot pain.
I wear the Altra Lone Peak Superiors. The zero drop shoes are tough on senior hikers Achilles’ tendons, but I went barefoot for six months preparing to wear the Altras. I change shoes around 400 miles, maybe 450 if I need to stretch them. I think trying new things is a great hiking philosophy. Happy Hiking Jupiter
Too many consecutive 30+ mile days on the AT turned my feet from a size 8.5 to a size 9.5 or 10. Even after they recovered and the swelling went away, none of my size 8.5 shoes fit quite right anymore, and neither do size 9's. Such is the life of the hiker/trail runner :)
Saucony Excursion 14 TR last year on the PCT and the Wonderland Trail they lasted 1200mi/pair. I replaced the insoles with Dr Scholl's after 500mi. Other than that the perfect shoe if it fits your feet. They started to get uncomfortable after 1100miles but were still going strong so I guess I could have used them for another few hundred miles with some new insoles...
Appreciate the video Jupiter. I have to say this has probably been one of my bigger challenges over time. I am very flat footed and and strung super tight. So no drop shoes are not happening. I tend to need something sturdier, and prefer a rock plate....and that's taken me a while to figure out.
I wish there were one shoe to rule them all, one shoe we could all love. There isn't but in the description I tried to list out some of the most popular thru hiking shoes out there. Not on the list but Oboz Sawtooth 2 are very common as well. I hope you find what you're looking for!
So timely. Had Altra 3.5s.. Been using their 5.0s since July 2021. Slowly but surely my knees are in worst shape day by day. Is it the shoe? My age? Both? . Perhaps I need more cushioning with all my orbits around the sun? Perhaps not a zero drop any longer. I will be making a trip to REI PDQ to see what my next pair is. Saucony, Asics, etc? IDK. I know one thing, I will be looking for fit an comfort just like Jupe mentioned. Brand Loyalty? Not so much. I have owned many different brands over these many years. Almost wish Altra would bring back the 3.5s.
I really loved the lone peak 2.5s but every year they changed so much! As for the knees I'm sure you use trekking poles, but sometimes depending on what I eat how my legs feel drastically changes. Some foods being inflammatory and whatnot. In the end, hiking and walking all strengthens those muscles and joints, so I hope just by doing things get better!
@@JupiterHikes I only use one hike stick. And yes on the foods you eat. I notice cokes for instance seen to aggravate my condition and are inflammatory--for me at least. But I am using stretch braces and icing every day. Things are better in just a couple of weeks. Oh and staying away from concrete. Asphalt has more give that that stuff. Of course turf and trails the best.
Subscribed. Newbie here. What are your thoughts on using old school "alpine" boots. I still have my old Thom McAn's that I bought years ago when I was in Boy Scouts. I wore them all through high school and college and still wear them as winter boots. They still fit just fine and are in good shape. Except for the rusty screws, the Vibram sole looks almost new. Heavier than all get out, though. 2 pounds 6 ounces EACH!
Part of the issue with those is that because of their extreme weight (compared to modern hiking shoes) you will be expending much more energy with each and every step vs anyone else. Add on a lack of control and mobility again because of their weight, but also their size. As an extra when they are wet they surely won't dry as quickly as trail runners, and also probably won't let your feet breath as well as trail runners. Both adding to your chances of getting blisters. They are probably great winter boots. And hey! They might still be the perfect hiking shoe for you. You should try them, but I also highly recommend trying something else as well. The vast majority of hikers are wearing trail runners, and I can count on one hand how many people I've seen in my last 3,000 miles wearing anything else.
I weigh 210 lbs. I get about 350 miles on the AT in Altra Lone Peaks. I use orthotics for flat feet. My feet look like a duck's feet, with a narrow, but blocky, heel, so I need a deep, narrow heel pocket to work with my feet plus the additional height of the orthotic, or I get heel rub and blisters. Hope this helps someone. Btw: I own Xeros, New Balance Minimus, and Hoka Stinsons. The Hokas have too much padding and too much height which makes it easier to roll an ankle (for me), but I had to try them out of curiosity.
I really enjoy this topic. I love boots and they make me happy because of the ankle support. I can't wear trail runners because I have big feet, 14 wide in shoes and 15 wide in boots. And Outdoors 76, in Franklin, has a great outfitter to help you choose new shoes, if your on the AT.
I still haven't found the perfect shoe, but for me with weak arches the most important is a solid pair of orthotics, and a stiff heel cup to prevent any rolling or arch collapse. So far this has always meant going back to Asics and NB for me, but forever on the hunt for something new to try. Great video, Jupiter!
try rehabilitation. check out Chase Mountains channel. lots of videos on how to exercise your feet to help heal up your arches back to the way they would have been if you had lived 400 years ago.
I have really high arches and couldn’t live without Hoka (and Sole insoles). Medium cushion models like the EVO Maffe…although waiting for some of the updated models mid-year.
I just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that I am going to try out the Xero Terraform II to see how they work for a training show that strengthens my feet. Maffetone mostly goes barefoot are the house and uses these when trail running. So that’s enough for me to try out for training to see if it help train and strengthen my feet. I’ll still be using Hoka for distance at least that’s how I see it now but I’m open to evaluating that in the future!
Used Merrells to begin with but quickly moved over to Altras, admittedly after seeing them being very popular on vids I watch. Merrells, looking back, were too thin but as soon as I put on some lone peaks I knew it was the one for me. Still stick with them and had a few pairs, the 5's wearing a bit quicker than the 4's in a certain place, but still the most comfy shoe I've ever walked in.
Great video. You just got a new subscriber. Very thoughtful in explaining what to look for and what conditions to consider in buying and using a shoe. One question/issue though - you say two incompatible things regarding size and comfort. On the one hand (or foot!), the shoe should be super comfortable in the store. On the other hand (or foot!), you recommend sizing up. But if I size up, the shoe will feel too big, right? I just did the Camino in Salomon XA Pro 3D gore Tex (I know, everybody shaking their heads). It was cold and wet and gore Tex was great until a few hours in and my feet felt suffocated. And my feet definitely got bigger during the day (swelling) and more importantly, feet got permanently bigger (weeks after coming home, I keep on wanting shoes about 1 to 1.5x bigger). The main problem I had on the Camino was foot fatigue after about 20-25km that became grueling at 30km. A few days I had to walk farther just to find a place to stay (cold, wet, windy conditions in winter). And on the Camino, you see almost every type of terrain (no snow, but some ice). So here’s the question and problem I have- I’m loving a new pair of Altra LP 7 i just got. 9.5 vs the size 8.5 wide salmons I had. But I’m thinking with a backpack after 25 km, perhaps I’d want the extra cushion of an Olympus 5, which you don’t like so much because of the stability issues of max cushion shoes. So my question- how should I go about testing/trying a shoe like the Olympus 5 (and anything else you’d recommend), other than buying the shoe and hiking 30km with a backpack? Should I go up ANOTHER half size compared to my Altra LPs if I get the Olympus 5 for my next Camino or comparable thru hike? Part of me thinking to just stick with the LPs, and see how those feel after 30km with backpack. But my Salomon’s were fine until about 2 weeks in and I gradually added more km per day, then got more aching and blisters (despite two layer socks, and no problems before). The fact that feet swell and get stronger/bigger creates the problem of buying shoes that are too big in the store and, so, won’t feel comfortable in the store. So main questions (to summarize): 1) how big is too big in sizing up for thru hiking shoes? 2) my feet fatigue after 20-25km of thru hiking with backpack (with shoes too small for me). What’s the normal range of distance a thru hiker (without excessive weight in bag and normal weighted person) should be able to go without getting foot fatigue ? 3) if foot fatigue is the limiting factor in my hiking distance , would the Olympus 5 or other max cushion shoe be recommended by you?
May want to look into lowering your pack weight as well if you're experiencing foot fatigue after 20km. Especially for a trail like the Camino where it's not exactly a wilderness hike, there's much opportunity to carry less. If your pack is quite light already, maybe more walks, hikes, runs around the neighborhood prior to the hike to build up those muscles. Potentially in a more minimal shoe to exaggerate for your feet those walks and try to get more benefit from them. As for your actual questions. Try buying from REI if you have one, or a company that has a good return policy like REI where you could full on use the shoes to see if you like them and if they fit, but then still replace them if you don't like them. 1 too big of shoes will be sliding around, and the problem would be blisters. You won't know for sure until you try, and too big of shoes could just be laced differently to prevent those blisters if otherwise they feel good. (I wear too big of shoes for instance) too small of shoes is much worse as you can do less as they squeeze your feet and prevent blood flow. 2 I can walk 35+ miles in a day (week after week) without foot fatigue or very little. Everyone is different in their fitness level and what is comfortable. Do what is comfortable to you, while raising fitness and lowering pack weight. 3 I think you could try the Olympus to see what you think. But I still think that a mid cushion shoe (more along the lines of an altra lone peak) would be best for most people
Thanks! Helps to know you walk 35 miles day after day without problems. I don’t know what “normal” is except in relation to the few other people I’d see on the Camino (during winter off season). Fastest walker I saw was a retired lady in her 70s who did various caminos 14 times and had a backpack about 1/3 the size everybody else. She was slender, used hiking poles effectively and really sped on by with ease. I chatted her up on gear advice and she was helpful (retired nurse), consistent with much of what I see in your videos. Your comments make me think much of my foot fatigue was from the way too tight (small) and muggy gore Tex Salomons. I have more confidence in my new Altra LPs and will try walking in those with a Camino-weight backpack (about 18 lbs, without water). That’s an easy test to do since I love these shoes anyway. Will check out REI as you suggest if I don’t have much more stamina with the LPs and look to experiment. I’m going down the rabbit hole of your other videos. So informative and thoughtful! Thanks! About your “failing” the PCT… wrong word! You don’t fail at anything if you keep on learning from your mistakes. And sometimes accidents just happen and it’s not a mistake or failure.
Saucony Peregrines are it for me. I'm not one to do huge days like you, but I'm not exactly unable to do decent mileage. They got me through my first 22 mile day and my feet (and body) felt great after. Altras wrecked me. Every foot is different, so it's such a personal thing and it can be difficult to find the right shoe.
Nice video! Id love to hike my next trip in trail runners but what haoprns if it rains all the time and its really muddy? I think hiking boots are better for this. Has anyone experience with rainy muddy weather amd trail runners?
Every sneaker feels amazing when you try them on the 1st time when you're in the store. The problem is you don't know how comfortable its going to be until after 2 weeks of wearing them.
Guys, check out the shoe company Wildings from Germany. They probably aren't suitable for thru hiking but for everyday life they might be super helpful preperation for your feet
I'm not sure, those were some I found at a thrift store. Definitely not the same but my favorite shorts over the years have been the new balance accelerate.
Just went through my clothes and the camo shorts are made by the north face. No model name or anything I see. They're nice! I still like the NB accelerate more, but the NF ones are a lot better than many others I've tried!
I was just at REI the other day contemplating about upgrading my Altra Lone Peak 5 to an Olympus 4 because of the cushion. I can see the huge possibility of rolling my ankle with a shoes that has much cushion. Still doing my shoe research so this video came in perfect timing. Thanks Jupiter 🧡
I've used Olympus's on the AT, PCT, and CDT, it generally takes about 3 days to get completely used to the height, and I actually rolled my ankles less in them than my Lone Peaks. Your ankles will actually get stronger from adjusting to the height.
Altra compensates for the height of the Olympus with a wider sole on the shoe. Compare it with the lone peak, roughly a 1/2 in wider. I don’t think they did this several versions ago. I’ve used both for running and hiking since their 1st versions. Chaco z1 sandal are my favorite hiker.
Yeah, instead of hike your own hike, I believe wear your own shoes!!! I have both Hoka and Altras that I HATE!!! I love the brand Ryka and am on my 8th pair and walked over 1500 miles in them last year. I wish I had the money I spent on the Hoka and Altras back! We aren't in middle school, we don't have to wear or use the same things as dictated by the cool kids!
We should just distinguish between trekking and hiking. For me, trekking is about lightweight, miles, speed, endurance. Staying on a trail relatively close to civilization, and cooking with gas. Hiking, you go off trails into the woods, do bushcraft, and cook over a fire. The two hobbies need different gear. Trekking can use trail runners But hikers need a durable boot
Bedrock sandals represent! I trekked over 1000 miles on mine. Only advice, don't get the 3D model. I typically need an insole for my right and not my left, and I had no issue with either foot.
It's very uncommon these days as the benefits to trail runners are pretty great for most but you will see a few. Though the few you see may just be high top hiking shoes rather than leather boots. Either way do what works best for you!
@@JupiterHikes I do and have for decades. Lightest I will go on footwear are the Zamberlan 215s. I've had boots all the way back to Fabiano, Pivetta, Raichle, blah blah blah. Been that this stuff a long time.
Don't overlook SOCKS. I can comfortably wear a number of different shoes as long as I have the right socks. And I can put on the "perfect" shoe and be uncomfortable with the wrong socks. The same is true of custom inserts, which everyone should be using. My shoe sizing philosophy...keep going up by 1/2 size until you find a size that is too big, then go down 1/2 size and buy them.
I went from an 11.5 to a 13 in the first couple years of longer hiking trips, but since then (10+ years ago), my size has stayed the same. I'm a big fan of La Sportiva Wildcats, even if they're a bit heavier than Altras. I've owned more than ten pairs since they were released, and the design barely ever changes. They last a bit longer than lighter shoes, but they still have much more stretchy and breathable uppers than a boot or a waterproof shoe.
being heavy mine last tops 300 miles About sizing and fitment its not just between brands. i have worn maybe 6 pairs of lonepeaks, i wanted to try the timps and figured they would fit like the lone peaks, wrong they are much narrower even in the same size and i never returned them as i walked 10 miles in them hope they would adjust or i would
I have had the same experience between lone peaks, olympus, and the superiors. A different size for each is what worked best. Fortunately for those I had some gear or running store to try them before I bought. Though often I'll order on amazon and just get a few sizes and return the others
At this point I only buy wide. I think way more people need wide and just don’t know it. I never ever think about my feet after swapping to wide 10 years ago.
Terraventure 3's were the worst shoes I've ever tried on. They had a big wad of fabric inside where the shoe is sown together at the bottom of the laces. It dug into the top of my foot so bad that I couldn't even walk in them. Just a bad batch? Probably with my luck.
For rocky mountain trails and in winter I prefer Meindl hiking boots, they're heavy but protective, grippy and durable. For dirt trails I use Merrell Trail Glove, they're lightweight zero drop shoes that have just enough padding to be comfortable. For beach walks and campsite use I have Huarache sandals I made myself. Those three kinds of shoes is all anyone needs for most trails out there.
How about for long mountain trail. Like 3-day hike, wet, probably muddy, rocky too and pretty cold. Is it still advisable to have the gore tex yet heavy from Merrell or must have lightweight but non-waterproof?
Everyone is going to be different with what works for them but I am one of those who just slides them on and off without touching the laces. I personally don't know why this works for some and not others
You're shoe size also goes up quite a bit as you get old. I went from a size 9 to a size 10 over the past 12 years. Hiking shoes I wear 10/12. I suppose it's just the long-term effects of gravity lol
I have size 14 shoes normally. I tried a set of lone peaks 3 years ago and I felt every rock on the trail. Can't remember which lone peaks I had. Did they ever make a set without the rock plate?
Lone Peak Superiors do not have built in rock plates, but they usually send you the rock plate inserts that you can put in the shoe. I believe the Superiors have the least amount of stack height of Altras at 21MM.
@@cottontalesfromthetrail5474 I think I might have had lone peaks 3. Tried them in pa and hurt my feet on rocks. Wondered if new models have different rock plate? I'm trying saucony peregrine shoes 10's now but size 14 is as big as they go, worried about feet increasing in size
@@johnunruh1086 I have a pair of Lone Peak 5’s but have not been hiking in them yet, so I cannot say about the rock plates. The Brooks Cascadia 13’s have a great rock plate. I wore them SOBO for the first 1700 miles of the AT. I did not have any rock issues in PA.
Lots of good tips in here. I've been doing dayhikes in Luna sandals (thin ones, the Leadville Pacers), and I've doubted whether they'd work well enough for long distance hikes because of how much they can beat my feet up. Recently picked up a pair of Topo Terraventure 3s, and now it's back to having to manage laces and socks for me which had become pretty foreign to me. Also it's funny, I expected them to be roomier but I suppose my feet may be on the thick side already due to the minimalist sandal hiking.
This was perfectly timed. I am just now in the throws of picking out shoes for my first long distance hike (400miles). I even considered S/Labs Sense 8's but disqualified them over too low stack. After seeing your shoes, they are back in...
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As a little extra here, if you are having struggles on the trail try different lacing techniques! Some can help relieve pressure in certain areas and help prevent blisters or just make a shoe feel better overall. Thank you for watching!
Like the runners loop lace 👍🏽
Do you have a video on lacing?
Top notch thoughts. Facts like "durability depends on weight" and "different trails need different shoes" are rarely mentioned, but reflect my (very little) experience.
Gotta say it's refreshing to hear that you don't praise one brand only, but encourage people to try on all kinds of shoes and find whats best for *them*. That is sometimes forgotten when people ask for advice.
I traded the word "shoe" for "mate". Then you were making good sense- deep thoughts to ponder. The perfect one feels great from the get-go, no break in period needed!
So much wisdom in one video, this is the best summed up video about thru hiking shoes I've seen :) Thanks Jupiter! I hope go get on Arizona Trail next year. Greetings from Belgium.
The AZT is such an amazing trail, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!
I stopped using trail runners by accident. I was using Topos. I still like them, but I was having hamstring issues. My hamstrings just felt weak all the time. My knees and feet ached all the time. I bought a new pair of hiking boots that were on sale around Thanksgiving. I wanted something to wear in the snow and sloppy weather of winter. Other than trying the boots on for fit, they stayed in the box. I probably had them for a month before I started to wear them after the weather outside finally started to get bad. The thing I noticed after 3 days of using them was my feet and knee stopped aching. My hamstrings started feeling better. I think the issue I'm having with the trail runners is the drop. Even a Topo with a 4-5 mm drop still needs to be higher for me. I got high arches. I'll keep looking for a shoe, but I think I'm over low drop shoes.
For my last hike I bought a pair of the Merell Moab 2 shoes and absolutely love them. One size up, like you say.
I still love my Vivos. When I added padding, I got shin splints. I got rid of the padding all together and haven't been hurting since
I have always wanted to try vivos!
thats a killer shirt dude! I used Merrill trail gloves for all of 2021. I noticed this past year I hike completely different with those shoes. I step intentionally and therefor my feet take less wear and tear. The thinner the outsole the more comfortable I feel. its a weird thing.
My perfect shoe is the Altra Lone Peak. Perfect blend of comfort and protection from rocks. But I have almost flat feet and I think they don't work very well if you have high arches. Been wearing altras for four years now and last about 8-10 months before they get too worn down.
Altra’s durability is terrible especially for the price!
Solid video Jupiter! In regards to cushion.....I've found that hoka speedgoats are super stable, where I've found other hokas and all brooks to not be. And at 6'4" and 210 lbs, the cushion helps my knees a lot. No real trail feel but that just the deal. Like you said, it's gotta be what feels best! Keep up the good work.
Great to see someone else using the Mesa Trail. Picked a pair up last summer and they've been really digging them so far on the trail. For me they've been very comfortable, great ground feel, quick drying and light. I'm happy that they have the zero drop and foot shape too. I bought a pair of the Xero Alpine and they've been great with the deep cold and snow this winter in the northeast. Loved the video Jupiter!
The xero shoes feel better on my feet than I knew any shoe ever could. Stoked to have found them!
@@JupiterHikes I couldn't agree more. They feel great and help give a deeper connection to the trails. Enjoy and good luck on the PCT this year!
I've tried everything from Altras to Hokas, and they're great, but my wide ass feet have fallen in love with New Balance "More Trail". I don't know why more long distance hikers aren't talking about these but I'll put them to the test on the A.T. soon. Enjoyed the video Jupiter and looking forward to following your journey on the PCT. I know you'll crush it but best of luck anyway.
That's good to know! The wide feet is a struggle. I often have to skip a lace just to loosen shoes in the middle or front
@@JupiterHikes I've tried several lacing techniques for the same reason but the More Trail works for me. They're lighter than the Hokas and breathe better (for me). There's a guy named Shaker Hikes that recently completed his Thru of the A.T. and his More Trails got a pretty crazy amount of miles...speaking to their durability. Check 'em out.
I like Merrell Moab 3 non-waterproof, hiking shoes with Dr Scholl's Heavy Duty Work insoles, instead of the Merrell insoles they come with. They fit true to size, need no break-in and they're light and very comfortable. They also dry out faster than waterproof footwear, that always gets wet anyway.
I’m a tiny female so I’m happy to hear that my 90lbs body weight might afford me a shoe discount for my upcoming PCT attempt! :) Maybe I’ll see you out there. When do you hit the trail?
I'll be out there in the beginning of May! I hope the shoe discount serves you well!
FINALLY an advantage to being a small lightweight person when it comes to backpacking gear!
Oh man there is so many! All gear is lighter when it's smaller, my quilt would be 5oz lighter for instance
@@JupiterHikes how i see it, proportionally much of your gear is also bigger for your body weight- at 5'0" 100lbs I have to use a lot of the same base items, like cook set and med kit and electronics, as a much larger person. each item like that is a higher percentage of my body weight, if that makes sense. stuff like clothing does scale up and down with your body size and i'm glad for that. but i had to start out with the lightest gear i could afford to get my pack under 1/4 of my weight fully loaded with just a few days food.
Spittin' shoe truths right here 👍🏽
Just want to comment on the Hoka stability remark since I've heard it from several hikers that haven't actually worn them: from my experience a higher stack is NOT inherently more unstable. I have twisted my ankle on flat ground with 5mm stack Reef loafers and been stable on trail with Hoka Challengers. Ankle strength and mobility is a big part, but also how sloppy or not the fit is imo will play a more important role that the stack.
Good solid video, I agree completely with everyone's feet are different and no one shoe is ever best for everyone - I often think of the little Mexican Abuelitas I've seen carrying babies and toddlers though surefooted as can be and springing along on rough mountain paths in flat leather sandals as if their feet gave them absolutely no trouble at all, and they do that every day, then I think of most Americans and Europeans who need well built and supportive shoes to just get through a few miles. I'll be the first to say that I NEED GOOD shoes in those sort of conditions and that is partly because I have always worn good shoes, my whole life, I believe we may be doing ourselves a disservice sometimes by not letting our feet become naturally strong and sure from an early age as do most people in less affluent cultures.
I tried on a bunch in an athletic store in the middle of nowhere cause my shoes died and I liked the Saucony Peregrine 11. Probably something I would have never wore but man they're super comfy, my new fav. Light, med thick sole with rockplate, good on wet rock, and cloth is weather proof and strong.
Thanks for the info. So right. And I love how soothing you sound tbh. Very calming. Great vid.
To fine tune and add some additional points to add to what is said. Your natural gait and the way the shoe is made will help determine the longevity and durability of a shoe. Watch you tread, look at where your footwear fails, and how it is constructed. Some reinforcement in certain areas could help lengthen how long a show lasts.
I use the Speedgoat 4’s. Love that shoe.
It is definitely a very popular shoe! I've heard the same sentiment from quite a few friends.
I am a little older. What tends to happen is later in life you will have damage to your feet. You won't experience this until your 40s. I would try to get more cushion then the minimal shoes. You will thank me later in life. I was Infantry and a runner. A thru hiker is even more susceptible due to extreme distance you guys do.
Hi, did you have a chance to test the new version of the Joey yet?... Sorry, it might not really fit the theme of this particular video l but I thought im gonna try and ask you on the latest :)
Greetings from Germany
I really enjoy your videos!
Dude yes! The joey has by far been my favorite pack I've ever used. The new one definitely has improvements the old version needed like extra pockets on the straps and nicer fabrics. Been loving it. Even considering selling my other packs just to use the joey most trips. I don't think it has enough volume for my hike on the PCT this year but it was super good for half the AZT and TRT.
@@JupiterHikes thanks for the fast reply:)
The pack is unfortunately not in stock at the moment but I think I'm going to get it as soon as possible
I really love my Hokas, the cushioning is fantastic, used them on so many day hikes and mountain climbs and always felt great after. Then I brought them on a shorter thru hike, and the toe box was just too narrow as my toes started splaying more outwards. Got lots of blisters because of it, broke my heart too haha because I really thought I had found the shoes for me. Shame Hoka don't make any shoes with a wide toe box.
topo athletic. just put some trail venture 2's on and wait for your feet to start singing. way more stable than any Hokas and in my opinion has the perfect level of cushioning.
Some good advice on the video. Everyone is different & we all have different feet, I prefer to size up a little if needed as the longer your'e on your feet then the foot can swell. Trail runners can be great for hiking, it's just a matter of finding what works for you 🏃👍
I love Hoka’s but later in the day I am constantly tripping over stuff in them, kicking rocks, roots, etc. All that cushion makes me lazy so to speak.
I got a few pairs of timps and lone peaks that were basically brand new at a rei garage sale then I inherited 2 pairs of superiors from my mom, so I was all set for the pct for very little money for shoes. Even tho more cushion the timps for me started to roll inward fairly quickly. ... the lace up area is off set so that seemed to be the culprit. I tie my shoes using the 'runners knot' . This helps the shoe to slip less moving downhill. And I use injinji socks to avoid blisters.
i so agree with the trying everything.
i got a pair of xero mesa trails a while back after seeing so many people say they were the best minimalist hiking shoes and while I liked the thickness they just fit like garbage and i couldnt wear them.
There’s a shoe out there for everyone. It might take you a long long time and hundreds of dollars to find the perfect shoe, but you will eventually find it, and then they will discontinue it or change it. So, if you do find the perfect shoe you should buy about five pair of them or you will wish you had.
True! Though hopefully they do improve it for the better, it usually isn't that way. Still some of the fun is in the search!
Good points. I bought Altras because everyone else did. They didn't work for me. Glad I got them at REI.
I had some shoes from ONE and ALtras and both have given up on me quite fast :( i got Saucony that are many years old and stood the test of time. So im looking in to more rigid asics or saucony for my next pair.
Used a merrel for around 4yrs. Now using quechua from an online decathlon store. Quite happy with these. Found them better than columbia shoes both in grip as well as waterproofing
Many helpful points here. Hope the PCT goes well. Some sections of a thru hike are different, Mojave Desert is softer than Oregon with some volcanic pumice like rock etc. Perhaps different shoes for different sections within a thru hike. Having lived in Jordan and now S Korea, there are fewer brands that are available than in the USA. A trail running shoe you do need to try on, website mail order buying could go terribly wrong.
I am really diggin' my Mesa Trails I picked up a few months ago. I may never go back. 5mm stack height is proving to be very comfortable to me. Good stuff man. Thanks for your input.
Hey Jupiter! When can we expect to see your GDT video? 🤞😁
I am starting out my next hike in a pair of Timps and then switching to a pair of Lone Peak after about 400 miles. I am prone to foot injuries early on. So I believe it will be better to start with a little more cushion until my feet have properly adapted. I also do most my training on pavement and I have found that I do not like walking on pavement in Line Peaks.
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Hey Jupiter, have you ever suffered from metatarsalgia? I've been struggling with finding the right footwear for this problem that cropped up for me. I have mountaineering boots. I bushwhack and scramble and build trails. Boots are great for that but can't go far. So I have been playing with the Topo Athletic Trail Venture 2 and it's enabling me to go further but then off trail I get more foot problems just trying to maintain stability. I know probably I should kill hiking until my foot gets better, but honestly I'm addicted and have two trailbuilding projects that I don't want to put on hold. Trying to schedule out my time in a general sense and looking at 2024 as the earliest date I can thruhike the CDT or the PCT. But really I think the CDT will be my first because of it still being so remote and "make your own adventure" as a part of the hike. I need to get better feet, hoping though I can just back off of my extreme activities but still hike. And finding it a bit difficult to do that although those Trail Venture 2's are pretty dang good and I can hike 20 miles of Big Sur without experiencing too much foot pain.
I wear the Altra Lone Peak Superiors. The zero drop shoes are tough on senior hikers Achilles’ tendons, but I went barefoot for six months preparing to wear the Altras. I change shoes around 400 miles, maybe 450 if I need to stretch them. I think trying new things is a great hiking philosophy. Happy Hiking Jupiter
You might have made a typo there. The Altra Lone Peak and the Altra Superior are different models, there is no model called Lone Peak Superior :)
@@luboyanev you are absolutely correct. When you get old and get going fast you can and will make mistakes. Thank you for the correction!
@@cottontalesfromthetrail5474 you're welcome, we are all getting there sooner or later :) happy trails sir!
In short, What are some brands of hiking shoes are good, comfortable? According to your hiking experience ?
Thanks for sharing
Too many consecutive 30+ mile days on the AT turned my feet from a size 8.5 to a size 9.5 or 10. Even after they recovered and the swelling went away, none of my size 8.5 shoes fit quite right anymore, and neither do size 9's. Such is the life of the hiker/trail runner :)
Saucony Excursion 14 TR last year on the PCT and the Wonderland Trail they lasted 1200mi/pair. I replaced the insoles with Dr Scholl's after 500mi. Other than that the perfect shoe if it fits your feet. They started to get uncomfortable after 1100miles but were still going strong so I guess I could have used them for another few hundred miles with some new insoles...
Appreciate the video Jupiter. I have to say this has probably been one of my bigger challenges over time. I am very flat footed and and strung super tight. So no drop shoes are not happening. I tend to need something sturdier, and prefer a rock plate....and that's taken me a while to figure out.
I wish there were one shoe to rule them all, one shoe we could all love. There isn't but in the description I tried to list out some of the most popular thru hiking shoes out there. Not on the list but Oboz Sawtooth 2 are very common as well. I hope you find what you're looking for!
So timely. Had Altra 3.5s.. Been using their 5.0s since July 2021. Slowly but surely my knees are in worst shape day by day. Is it the shoe? My age? Both? . Perhaps I need more cushioning with all my orbits around the sun? Perhaps not a zero drop any longer. I will be making a trip to REI PDQ to see what my next pair is. Saucony, Asics, etc? IDK. I know one thing, I will be looking for fit an comfort just like Jupe mentioned. Brand Loyalty? Not so much. I have owned many different brands over these many years. Almost wish Altra would bring back the 3.5s.
I really loved the lone peak 2.5s but every year they changed so much! As for the knees I'm sure you use trekking poles, but sometimes depending on what I eat how my legs feel drastically changes. Some foods being inflammatory and whatnot. In the end, hiking and walking all strengthens those muscles and joints, so I hope just by doing things get better!
@@JupiterHikes I only use one hike stick. And yes on the foods you eat. I notice cokes for instance seen to aggravate my condition and are inflammatory--for me at least. But I am using stretch braces and icing every day. Things are better in just a couple of weeks. Oh and staying away from concrete. Asphalt has more give that that stuff. Of course turf and trails the best.
Subscribed. Newbie here. What are your thoughts on using old school "alpine" boots. I still have my old Thom McAn's that I bought years ago when I was in Boy Scouts. I wore them all through high school and college and still wear them as winter boots. They still fit just fine and are in good shape. Except for the rusty screws, the Vibram sole looks almost new. Heavier than all get out, though. 2 pounds 6 ounces EACH!
Part of the issue with those is that because of their extreme weight (compared to modern hiking shoes) you will be expending much more energy with each and every step vs anyone else. Add on a lack of control and mobility again because of their weight, but also their size. As an extra when they are wet they surely won't dry as quickly as trail runners, and also probably won't let your feet breath as well as trail runners. Both adding to your chances of getting blisters.
They are probably great winter boots. And hey! They might still be the perfect hiking shoe for you. You should try them, but I also highly recommend trying something else as well.
The vast majority of hikers are wearing trail runners, and I can count on one hand how many people I've seen in my last 3,000 miles wearing anything else.
I weigh 210 lbs. I get about 350 miles on the AT in Altra Lone Peaks. I use orthotics for flat feet. My feet look like a duck's feet, with a narrow, but blocky, heel, so I need a deep, narrow heel pocket to work with my feet plus the additional height of the orthotic, or I get heel rub and blisters.
Hope this helps someone.
Btw: I own Xeros, New Balance Minimus, and Hoka Stinsons. The Hokas have too much padding and too much height which makes it easier to roll an ankle (for me), but I had to try them out of curiosity.
I really enjoy this topic. I love boots and they make me happy because of the ankle support. I can't wear trail runners because I have big feet, 14 wide in shoes and 15 wide in boots. And Outdoors 76, in Franklin, has a great outfitter to help you choose new shoes, if your on the AT.
That franklin gear store is the best! My grandfather used to live nearby there so I have been many times
@@JupiterHikes that's so cool he lived nearby and did he do any backpacking? I have Obozos and I am very happy with them.
I like the Asics Venture Gels. Comfortable and budget friendly. Mine are durable as well. So far about 400 miles.
I still haven't found the perfect shoe, but for me with weak arches the most important is a solid pair of orthotics, and a stiff heel cup to prevent any rolling or arch collapse. So far this has always meant going back to Asics and NB for me, but forever on the hunt for something new to try. Great video, Jupiter!
try rehabilitation. check out Chase Mountains channel. lots of videos on how to exercise your feet to help heal up your arches back to the way they would have been if you had lived 400 years ago.
I have really high arches and couldn’t live without Hoka (and Sole insoles). Medium cushion models like the EVO Maffe…although waiting for some of the updated models mid-year.
I just wanted to follow up and let everyone know that I am going to try out the Xero Terraform II to see how they work for a training show that strengthens my feet. Maffetone mostly goes barefoot are the house and uses these when trail running. So that’s enough for me to try out for training to see if it help train and strengthen my feet. I’ll still be using Hoka for distance at least that’s how I see it now but I’m open to evaluating that in the future!
Used Merrells to begin with but quickly moved over to Altras, admittedly after seeing them being very popular on vids I watch. Merrells, looking back, were too thin but as soon as I put on some lone peaks I knew it was the one for me. Still stick with them and had a few pairs, the 5's wearing a bit quicker than the 4's in a certain place, but still the most comfy shoe I've ever walked in.
Paying for shoes that don’t work out is painful, but much less so than an injury and doctor’s bill. I’ve learned this one the hard way.
Loved this info thank you.
Love your videos bro. Keep up with the good work.
Great video. You just got a new subscriber. Very thoughtful in explaining what to look for and what conditions to consider in buying and using a shoe. One question/issue though - you say two incompatible things regarding size and comfort. On the one hand (or foot!), the shoe should be super comfortable in the store. On the other hand (or foot!), you recommend sizing up. But if I size up, the shoe will feel too big, right? I just did the Camino in Salomon XA Pro 3D gore Tex (I know, everybody shaking their heads). It was cold and wet and gore Tex was great until a few hours in and my feet felt suffocated. And my feet definitely got bigger during the day (swelling) and more importantly, feet got permanently bigger (weeks after coming home, I keep on wanting shoes about 1 to 1.5x bigger). The main problem I had on the Camino was foot fatigue after about 20-25km that became grueling at 30km. A few days I had to walk farther just to find a place to stay (cold, wet, windy conditions in winter). And on the Camino, you see almost every type of terrain (no snow, but some ice). So here’s the question and problem I have- I’m loving a new pair of Altra LP 7 i just got. 9.5 vs the size 8.5 wide salmons I had. But I’m thinking with a backpack after 25 km, perhaps I’d want the extra cushion of an Olympus 5, which you don’t like so much because of the stability issues of max cushion shoes. So my question- how should I go about testing/trying a shoe like the Olympus 5 (and anything else you’d recommend), other than buying the shoe and hiking 30km with a backpack? Should I go up ANOTHER half size compared to my Altra LPs if I get the Olympus 5 for my next Camino or comparable thru hike?
Part of me thinking to just stick with the LPs, and see how those feel after 30km with backpack. But my Salomon’s were fine until about 2 weeks in and I gradually added more km per day, then got more aching and blisters (despite two layer socks, and no problems before).
The fact that feet swell and get stronger/bigger creates the problem of buying shoes that are too big in the store and, so, won’t feel comfortable in the store. So main questions (to summarize):
1) how big is too big in sizing up for thru hiking shoes?
2) my feet fatigue after 20-25km of thru hiking with backpack (with shoes too small for me). What’s the normal range of distance a thru hiker (without excessive weight in bag and normal weighted person) should be able to go without getting foot fatigue ?
3) if foot fatigue is the limiting factor in my hiking distance , would the Olympus 5 or other max cushion shoe be recommended by you?
May want to look into lowering your pack weight as well if you're experiencing foot fatigue after 20km. Especially for a trail like the Camino where it's not exactly a wilderness hike, there's much opportunity to carry less. If your pack is quite light already, maybe more walks, hikes, runs around the neighborhood prior to the hike to build up those muscles. Potentially in a more minimal shoe to exaggerate for your feet those walks and try to get more benefit from them.
As for your actual questions. Try buying from REI if you have one, or a company that has a good return policy like REI where you could full on use the shoes to see if you like them and if they fit, but then still replace them if you don't like them.
1 too big of shoes will be sliding around, and the problem would be blisters. You won't know for sure until you try, and too big of shoes could just be laced differently to prevent those blisters if otherwise they feel good. (I wear too big of shoes for instance) too small of shoes is much worse as you can do less as they squeeze your feet and prevent blood flow.
2 I can walk 35+ miles in a day (week after week) without foot fatigue or very little. Everyone is different in their fitness level and what is comfortable. Do what is comfortable to you, while raising fitness and lowering pack weight.
3 I think you could try the Olympus to see what you think. But I still think that a mid cushion shoe (more along the lines of an altra lone peak) would be best for most people
Thanks! Helps to know you walk 35 miles day after day without problems. I don’t know what “normal” is except in relation to the few other people I’d see on the Camino (during winter off season). Fastest walker I saw was a retired lady in her 70s who did various caminos 14 times and had a backpack about 1/3 the size everybody else. She was slender, used hiking poles effectively and really sped on by with ease. I chatted her up on gear advice and she was helpful (retired nurse), consistent with much of what I see in your videos.
Your comments make me think much of my foot fatigue was from the way too tight (small) and muggy gore Tex Salomons. I have more confidence in my new Altra LPs and will try walking in those with a Camino-weight backpack (about 18 lbs, without water). That’s an easy test to do since I love these shoes anyway. Will check out REI as you suggest if I don’t have much more stamina with the LPs and look to experiment.
I’m going down the rabbit hole of your other videos. So informative and thoughtful! Thanks! About your “failing” the PCT… wrong word! You don’t fail at anything if you keep on learning from your mistakes. And sometimes accidents just happen and it’s not a mistake or failure.
Saucony Peregrines are it for me. I'm not one to do huge days like you, but I'm not exactly unable to do decent mileage. They got me through my first 22 mile day and my feet (and body) felt great after. Altras wrecked me. Every foot is different, so it's such a personal thing and it can be difficult to find the right shoe.
Nice video! Id love to hike my next trip in trail runners but what haoprns if it rains all the time and its really muddy? I think hiking boots are better for this. Has anyone experience with rainy muddy weather amd trail runners?
Every sneaker feels amazing when you try them on the 1st time when you're in the store. The problem is you don't know how comfortable its going to be until after 2 weeks of wearing them.
The shoes you threw away at the 1:20 mark, what were they? The uppers looked a bit beat up, but the tread looked almost new.
Good solid info again Thanks Jupiter!
I have some super minimal Inov8's that I loved, but after trying a set of Lone Peaks I think the inov8's are my training show now.
Guys, check out the shoe company Wildings from Germany. They probably aren't suitable for thru hiking but for everyday life they might be super helpful preperation for your feet
Which shorts are you wearing in the "try on" section? They look great
I'm not sure, those were some I found at a thrift store. Definitely not the same but my favorite shorts over the years have been the new balance accelerate.
Just went through my clothes and the camo shorts are made by the north face. No model name or anything I see. They're nice! I still like the NB accelerate more, but the NF ones are a lot better than many others I've tried!
I love my merrell moabs!
I was just at REI the other day contemplating about upgrading my Altra Lone Peak 5 to an Olympus 4 because of the cushion. I can see the huge possibility of rolling my ankle with a shoes that has much cushion. Still doing my shoe research so this video came in perfect timing. Thanks Jupiter 🧡
Try them out! You might love them, just something to be mindful of while walking
I've used Olympus's on the AT, PCT, and CDT, it generally takes about 3 days to get completely used to the height, and I actually rolled my ankles less in them than my Lone Peaks. Your ankles will actually get stronger from adjusting to the height.
Altra compensates for the height of the Olympus with a wider sole on the shoe. Compare it with the lone peak, roughly a 1/2 in wider. I don’t think they did this several versions ago. I’ve used both for running and hiking since their 1st versions. Chaco z1 sandal are my favorite hiker.
Yeah, instead of hike your own hike, I believe wear your own shoes!!! I have both Hoka and Altras that I HATE!!! I love the brand Ryka and am on my 8th pair and walked over 1500 miles in them last year. I wish I had the money I spent on the Hoka and Altras back! We aren't in middle school, we don't have to wear or use the same things as dictated by the cool kids!
I agree! There's something out there for everyone, and unfortunately not one thing will work for everyone
My son's altra's lasted 500 miles on the AT. He admits to going too far between swap outs.
I need a shoe / boot with good ankle support that is also light and comfortable. Any recommendations?
The Merrell Moab is a long time staple for many people who want ankle support. Altra also makes many of their shoes with a high top
We should just distinguish between trekking and hiking.
For me, trekking is about lightweight, miles, speed, endurance. Staying on a trail relatively close to civilization, and cooking with gas.
Hiking, you go off trails into the woods, do bushcraft, and cook over a fire.
The two hobbies need different gear.
Trekking can use trail runners
But hikers need a durable boot
Bedrock sandals represent! I trekked over 1000 miles on mine. Only advice, don't get the 3D model. I typically need an insole for my right and not my left, and I had no issue with either foot.
Just curious why do you recommend against the 3D model?
@@JupiterHikes the groves by the toes gave me a really bad blister that turned to a hard callous that kept cracking open 😬.
Does anyone besides me still wear the old style leather hiking boots? Yes, they are heavy, but I get good ankle support and don't stub my toes.
It's very uncommon these days as the benefits to trail runners are pretty great for most but you will see a few. Though the few you see may just be high top hiking shoes rather than leather boots. Either way do what works best for you!
@@JupiterHikes I do and have for decades. Lightest I will go on footwear are the Zamberlan 215s.
I've had boots all the way back to Fabiano, Pivetta, Raichle, blah blah blah.
Been that this stuff a long time.
Love your content brother ❤
The trash can string going up to your room is quite ingenious
I would recommend Lalo tactical.
Don't overlook SOCKS. I can comfortably wear a number of different shoes as long as I have the right socks. And I can put on the "perfect" shoe and be uncomfortable with the wrong socks. The same is true of custom inserts, which everyone should be using.
My shoe sizing philosophy...keep going up by 1/2 size until you find a size that is too big, then go down 1/2 size and buy them.
It is true! I have found I like a thicker sock why my buddy loves the thin ones
I went from an 11.5 to a 13 in the first couple years of longer hiking trips, but since then (10+ years ago), my size has stayed the same. I'm a big fan of La Sportiva Wildcats, even if they're a bit heavier than Altras. I've owned more than ten pairs since they were released, and the design barely ever changes. They last a bit longer than lighter shoes, but they still have much more stretchy and breathable uppers than a boot or a waterproof shoe.
being heavy mine last tops 300 miles
About sizing and fitment its not just between brands. i have worn maybe 6 pairs of lonepeaks, i wanted to try the timps and figured they would fit like the lone peaks, wrong they are much narrower even in the same size and i never returned them as i walked 10 miles in them hope they would adjust or i would
I have had the same experience between lone peaks, olympus, and the superiors. A different size for each is what worked best. Fortunately for those I had some gear or running store to try them before I bought. Though often I'll order on amazon and just get a few sizes and return the others
Good points. Thank you. 🌻
At this point I only buy wide. I think way more people need wide and just don’t know it. I never ever think about my feet after swapping to wide 10 years ago.
Have you heard of the Adidas terrex ax4 I just picked those up I really like them
Those are really popular among disc golf players, but I haven't tried them myself
Yeah I just got them today actually figured I'd try them out they're lightweight got plenty of tread on them
Terraventure 3's were the worst shoes I've ever tried on. They had a big wad of fabric inside where the shoe is sown together at the bottom of the laces. It dug into the top of my foot so bad that I couldn't even walk in them. Just a bad batch? Probably with my luck.
For rocky mountain trails and in winter I prefer Meindl hiking boots, they're heavy but protective, grippy and durable. For dirt trails I use Merrell Trail Glove, they're lightweight zero drop shoes that have just enough padding to be comfortable. For beach walks and campsite use I have Huarache sandals I made myself. Those three kinds of shoes is all anyone needs for most trails out there.
How about for long mountain trail. Like 3-day hike, wet, probably muddy, rocky too and pretty cold. Is it still advisable to have the gore tex yet heavy from Merrell or must have lightweight but non-waterproof?
@@mary-h5g3z In that case I always use the Meindl heavy boots. They're heavy but super comfortable so just perfect for a 3 day hike.
@@yarpenzigrin1893 will it be a disadvantage if it rains?
@@mary-h5g3z No, there's no better shoes for wet conditions.
there will be a high altitude. will it be fine?
Went from DWG to Katahdin with same pair of Solomons... I regretted it. Should of gotten a new pair before the Whites...
New jersey to the end is very impressive! How were they feeling by maine?
@@JupiterHikes I fell 3 times in Maine. That's why I knew I should of replaced. Live and learn.. 😁
great insights! thank you
How tightly do you tighten your laces? I see people slide their shoes on and off and I would think you would want them laced fairly snuggly?
Everyone is going to be different with what works for them but I am one of those who just slides them on and off without touching the laces. I personally don't know why this works for some and not others
You're shoe size also goes up quite a bit as you get old. I went from a size 9 to a size 10 over the past 12 years. Hiking shoes I wear 10/12. I suppose it's just the long-term effects of gravity lol
Dohikung shoes need to wrap around our ankles to be safe ?
Good advice.
Would a regular full bottom rubber sole running shoe work on trail? Like a Saucony or New Balance, etc. Has anyone tried to see if they work?
I've done that quite a bit! Something with vibram soles will have better traction and seem to last long but you can be successful with either
Looking forward to a new post from you brother.
I have size 14 shoes normally. I tried a set of lone peaks 3 years ago and I felt every rock on the trail. Can't remember which lone peaks I had. Did they ever make a set without the rock plate?
Lone Peak Superiors do not have built in rock plates, but they usually send you the rock plate inserts that you can put in the shoe. I believe the Superiors have the least amount of stack height of Altras at 21MM.
@@cottontalesfromthetrail5474 I think I might have had lone peaks 3. Tried them in pa and hurt my feet on rocks.
Wondered if new models have different rock plate?
I'm trying saucony peregrine shoes 10's now but size 14 is as big as they go, worried about feet increasing in size
@@johnunruh1086 I have a pair of Lone Peak 5’s but have not been hiking in them yet, so I cannot say about the rock plates. The Brooks Cascadia 13’s have a great rock plate. I wore them SOBO for the first 1700 miles of the AT. I did not have any rock issues in PA.
I hike and skate... I need a shoe subscription or something because I need new shoes once a month
Lots of good tips in here. I've been doing dayhikes in Luna sandals (thin ones, the Leadville Pacers), and I've doubted whether they'd work well enough for long distance hikes because of how much they can beat my feet up. Recently picked up a pair of Topo Terraventure 3s, and now it's back to having to manage laces and socks for me which had become pretty foreign to me. Also it's funny, I expected them to be roomier but I suppose my feet may be on the thick side already due to the minimalist sandal hiking.
Jupiter, Altra forever !
What socks and liners are you wearing?
I have most enjoyed darn tough, grip6, and injinji
Hey Jupe, gonna take it you don't use insoles?
I use whatever insoles come with the shoes! So no real advice on the subject
That's a smart hat you're wearing.
It's absolutely mesmer
Thanks!
This was perfectly timed. I am just now in the throws of picking out shoes for my first long distance hike (400miles).
I even considered S/Labs Sense 8's but disqualified them over too low stack.
After seeing your shoes, they are back in...
Lol my dad made a similar trashcan setup from our deck.