Barefoot shoes are an absolute game changer. I had back pain/hip pain while hiking, thought I was going to have to quit hiking. I started doing your hiking warm up routine, yogaish stretching for the hips(a combo of yours and another one), as well as core strengthening, as you suggested, and now I'm wearing barefoot trail runners. I started using a walking technique taught by "Grown Healthy" RUclipsr, and now am able to hike without any back pain. You have made a huge impact on my life. I am forever indebted to you. Thank You!!
12:50 I'm not sure I entirely agree. Even though I have no foot problems, I like the ideas behind the barefoot style shoes and as many others have adapted this style of shoes into my life. Whilst I'm overall happy with my decision, they simply do not feel safe and secure on more technical hikes in the mountains. I tried several times and I just did not have the confidence that I usually have and in this type of terrain there just isn't that much room for error. This experience made me realize the tremendous value of a stiff sole that can act as a platform in more technical terrain. I think this is something that everyone should keep in mind!
Honestly high ankles on boots are useful, not for the support (I always go through my ankle in them, whilst I don't in my Altras), but for the simple fact of protection. Especially when being off the path and in high grass, you can just stomp through whilst everything scratches against the boot opposed to your ankles. So I think when going off trail they can still have a place (but you can also use gaiters). But on trail it is simply worse.
Okay so having something covering your ankles without being supportive like a brace is what you’re talking about, but that’s a skill issue bc I’ve walked through grass above my ankles and it feels nice, plus shoes/boots would be really weird.
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 High grass wasnt the best example, but when it is wet and or has ticks high boots can be nice. But rocks and branches scratching your ankles is more what I meant :)
Yeah I commented the same thing, the high ankles are nice if you are in terrain with sharp rocks, thorns, 6" of snow, etc. Gaiters can accomplish this too but it's more gear to manage.
Fully agree on not needing ankle support. I remember being confused by that going into highschool basketball, everyone else was complaining about ankle pain. I had been playing daily since I was 5 on the most minimal low top shoes I could get in the 80s and 90s, so I never had that issue. Have always hated wearing shoes, so the barefoot shoe fad has been a lifesaver. However having tall boots on the trail is nice for the waterproof factor and SOME snake protection. Here in TX, I have come across western, and eastern diamondbacks, timber rattlers, desert Massasaugas, copperheads and a lot of cotton mouths.
Thanks for the video! Footwear that covers the ankle will protect you from abrasions from scree, rocks and small boulders, help reduce burs / water from grass or small creeks from soaking your sock,, etc. Maybe not for 'support' but still worthwhile for some trails.
This is by far and away the best review of all these shoes I've seen. Especially the way you show how they look on your feet and in action. Have been busy following your exercises. Cheers!
Wow, I feel like you read my mind making this video! I also wear primus trails for day hikes and everyday shoes (including 8+ hour shifts walking on pavement), but as cold, wet winter approaches, I was wondering if I needed cushioned soles both for insulation from the ground and shock absorption on longer hikes/heavier pack days. Super helpful to hear how the leather magnas perform in cold and wet conditions, and the specific pack weight at which you start to miss the cushion. All answers to questions I was just asking myself haha. Thank you!
A hack if you live in the desert southwest. The thin soles of both my vivo barefoot and my xero shoes hikers do not stand up to thorns, especially the one inch mesquite thorns! I had some leftover Mr Tuffy liner for my 4" x 20" bike tires. Cut out insoles from the liner and holes in my feet have been drastically reduced. Not, perfect protection, but much better. Don't feel like I lost much ground feel either.
Thanks for the video 🙌 I’m currently using the high ankle Tracker shoe. I agree with you 100% about the ankle support as you explained. The beauty of high boots is still that they keep pine needles and blueberry bushes out of your shoe when hiking in the forests here in the northern parts of Scandinavia and Finland 🤌
Really helpful video thanks Chase. I transitioned to Altra’s a year ago and love the wide toe box and natural foot strike. I’ve been looking into the Vivo’s as an everyday shoe so you’ve definitely given me a nudge to sort that out. Having a desk job, the struggle with tight hips is most definitely real and daily stretching and strength building has become part of my routine now.
I haven’t heard anyone talk about the Primus Trail SG. They look like they would be great on muddy terrain, and I love the FG version. I just haven’t seen a review on the SG.
For waterproof barefoot shoes you need the sole to stay on tight. The vivo esc line shoes are the only models that the sole won't separate from the upper. Even a small crack will let water in. Since the esc sole is sown they won't allow any water in. I've had many barefoot shoes and in every pair the sole glue will fail due to the flexibility. Even on the esc line the glue fails but the stitching holds it watertight.
Chase this is great info. I've been wearing Xero's for about 4 years now. A couple years ago I apparently did a partial planter plate tear and just found out what it was just recently. I've been recently re evaluationg the minimalist shoe wearing. I was glad to see that you still mix Altra in there for certain occasions. I've kind of been an all or nothing Xero user and it might have been my downfall for this injury. Thanks for the approval to switch up shoes depending on the job needed. Thank you!
Great. The only problem is that although VB's have a wide toe box they tend to be low volume in the front, that is shaped like a duck's foot. I have owned several styles of them going back to when they were the "Terra Plana" offshoot brand of Clark's (desert boot fame) and found out the hard way the only ones I can wear are those with a stretchy upper in the front, e.g. Ultra's etc. Not gonna spend $250 to find out that the Magna's are too tight, there are now other, more evolved barefoot hiking boots/shoes. Good video, I agree about the so-called "ankle support".
Can you please help me to decide the size of Vivo shoes I should pick by your experience? What size would you recommend for the Primus Trail II FG? Would you stick to the recommendation by Vivo of 6-14mm allowance? I have to decide between 4mm (44EU) and 10mm (45EU) allowance. It will be my first barefoot shoe, so I am not sure how it will feel like. I plan to use them at work (inside) where I walk a lot and for workouts (calisthenics) at least in the beginning and then when I get use to them maybe for some walks. If I will like them, I plan to buy another shoe for trail running/hiking in the future. If anyone can share the experience with the sizes, I would greatly appreciate it 🙂
My experience with joint pain (knee and ankle) as well as Achilles and plantar facietes (sp?) was auto immune and most likely caused by gluten. Once I cleaned up my diet, all of those pains went away. I'm 53 years old and fixed all of this about 4 years ago.
I've been wearing the primus lites for a year now and been hiking in altras. And I love it, it makes so much sense for me to walk in minimal shoes. I just bought the magna trail vegan version for the winter and am really curious how waterproof and warm they wil be (also revivo is a great place if you don't have the money to pay full price) Great video as always, thank you for teaching people about this 😊
I moved from trail runners to Vibram Fivefingers around 2010, then on to Luna Sandals after I slowly wore thru two pairs of the vibrams. On my second pair of Lunas now, but I'm starting to get more conscious of exposing the tops of my feet so I'm starting to look at Vivos more seriously. So that is to say, great timing with this video. And yeah, ditto to what you're saying about ankle strength and the paradox of "support" in shoes. I get using heavy, supportive footwear when doing particularly dangerous things (I work around horses and won't wear any barefoot style shoes around), but if the purpose of your activity is to exercise or train or improve fitness then I think people should try to use footwear that is as minimal as possible, all the way down to exercising barefoot if possible (like running on a beach for example).
The barefoot theory is definitely on to some great points regarding foot strength and mobility. These concepts to me make sense for being some of the best protection against injury. We often think about the big muscles and big joints and completely overlook the smaller parts of our body. However, high weight and long distance is still a concern for me. Chase, if you've read my other comment on a different video, you'll know I'm a newb and recently failed a hike because I was overweight (pack) and under trained. But my end goal isn't to entirely reduce that weight to ultralight, I want to build back up to that weight capability (within reason). So I think I'm going to try out some of these barefoot principles and start training my feet, but at the end of the day, I have some intended use cases that I will definitely still be using boots for. For me, I think the key is using the boots when needed, but continually training my feet and using more minimal footwear in all other scenarios. And when I say boots, I mean like rigid structural boots. The mid height barefoot shoe is likely not what people are talking about when they are speaking of wanting ankle support, if i were to guess. I have several pairs of boots, oboz and saloman, that most definitely provide actual structural support to my ankles. The problem being, I've been wearing those to much on a daily basis, and they have made my feet lazy. Maybe i'm still just an ignorant newb, but i'm just coming from a different use case. Not everyone is an ultralight hiker. The weight capability I want to develop is for a specific purpose, non-negotiables if you get my drift. Not just a macho thing.
Thanks so much for the videos which are the best I've come across. Been watching a while, and dipping my toe (and feet, ankle, knees, hips) into some of your exercises to strengthen and, um, flexibilise, particularly the lower muscles and ligaments. As a 57 year old man, who has been wearing barefoot shoes for the last four years or so, it undoubtedly takes longer to get mountain/hike proof knees and ankles. I'm having to relearn something you always mention...listen to the body. I've moved too fast with some of your suggested exercises, for instance. But never doubted the wisdom behind them. Personally, I'm doing this for the reasons you often state...to gain and maintain fitness through to my eventual demise. LOL. But I have a specific aim, a long term plan, to go on a very long walk through Europe to Iran when I'm 60, with my travel guitar on my back, playing wee gigs on the way. Story behind that, but that's the plan. So, you're my main go to for body stuff. I'll likely try one of your paid courses further down the line. ps. I've got a favourite bare foot shoe, which is kind of a sandal/shoe which I wear for pretty much everything bar weddings and funerals. It's the xero shoes colorado. Perfect for my needs in general, including most of my hiking needs.
i used to get sore feet and Achilles, tried everything, then went to Merrill barefoot, have never looked back. Totally converted to barefoot shoes. looking to try a pair of vevo trackers as there is a lot of mud in NZ. so thanks for the review it was very helpful.
I found your previous video really helpful when I was looking at switching. I now have 3 pairs of vivos - primus lite, primus trail and tracker forest esc - and have donated all my old shoes! Covered for pretty much any eventuality here in the UK. Cheers!
I’m still in my 100 day trial for my Primus lite III and based on this I may swap them for the FG trail. How do they compare for you if you are ok to share ?
@@amandaball7116 I got the lite first to test out, then the other two and the trail immediately became my daily pair. The lite were comfy but didn't have quite enough grip, I had to be slightly careful not to slip if I ended up in the woods walking the dog etc. The trail doesn't have that problem at all, they're still really comfy and seem a great all-round option. Hope that helps!
@@JoelAaargh awesome thanks v much. Need to go look to see if they are waterproof altho’ I expect they dry out quickly? I seem to remember someone reviewing either these or another type that said the laces area a pain as they are way too long? Any further insight before I go change them would be great. Similar width/fit to Primus? Thanks so much
@@amandaball7116 I got the trail knit so no def not waterproof but yes quick drying. Has the quick lace system with the toggle, you need to tuck the end under at the bottom but never been a problem. Toe box is possibly slightly more rounded but might be my imagination, still super comfortable!
@@JoelAaargh thanks Joel. Off to seek out my replacement (or second ☺️) pair. My Primus Lite III have been good for the summer so it’s tough to exchange them. Best go look at the bank balance 😉
I wore army boots nearly all my life. I had ankle, knee, hip and lower back pain until I got acclimated to barefoot shoes. Still in recovery but every day is better than the last. Hint; I am 66. My favorite shoe is; WHITIN Men's Minimalist Trail Runner (amazon) with a Dr. Scholl's heavy duty support insole.
Thank you for the video and the feedback. Moved to barefoot walking and then hiking on Lunas sandals maybe 3 years ago and definitively not going back to the standard hiking boots or shoes, the sandals actually turn into my daily walk, run, hike shoe. While practicing as well cold exposure the cold is not a big issue as we think. Still considering barefoot shoe or boot for a very cold snowy weather. Lunas last very long, they mould to your foot and yes ankle support is a myth in my opinion; had an ankle surgery and walking barefoot and on Lunas my ankles are very strong.
From a military background, I want "ankle protection" more than support. My preferred boots were soft all the way up about 8 inches, so not big on support, but they provided some minimal protection. I'd love to see some MOSTLY minimalist military boots (sorry, can't go soft and squishy on the soles, they have to serve some protection from puncture).
Agreed 👍 What I do, if I find an old pair I like with traditional soles, I tear off the old soles, clean up the bottom of the shoe, get a thin rubber floor mat (black) and cut to the shape of the sole. Glue/cement it on, and bingo ! Barefoot boots
The Topo shoes are a great place to start for running/trail hiking as well similar like Altra but do have a 3--5 mm drop on the shoe unlike Altra that is 0--1 mm drop for the entire lineup. Most minimal brand is actually Xero Shoes, they have the most minimal shoes with most being just the rubber and a sock liner and can get some classic hiking sandals that are even thinner and just this minimal foam rubber outsole. Also the shoes have been rated to last at a minimum for lowest rated models of the distance of NYC to LA or DC to LA, with 3,000 miles to 4,000 miles on the upper end from the brand. They do not give the same rating to the classic 1.5 mm foam rubber trail sandals that use the paracord like attachment but the other trail sandals they do give the minimum rating at the least. People often forget that New Balance still makes a minimal trail runner and a few non trail minimal running shoes under the Minumus brand. When New Balance first made the shoes was in 2009--2010 back when about the only options for minimal trail running was using the Viberam 5 finger first trail models, Merrel the Vapor Glove as the first true minimal trail model, or using the more durable upper types of Cross Country flats.
On the arch support thing you mentioned about the merrel - there's no medical evidence that arch support help feet form arches, or that collapsed arches cause any problems for that matter. I have flat feet, and growing up I was co standby told to wear arch support inserts which just ended up causing me severe pain and blisters on my mid foot (where my arch should be) and did not in any way change my arch shape over 5-6 years! As an adult I just started wearing super wide and then eventually barefoot shoes and just embraced that my feet are flat and have had ZERO issues. What I find annoying now is that, for long hikes or road running, I want the same wide fit as the vivosbit with a thicker more durable outsole and a bit of stack height to prevent my feet getting sore, but there really isn't much out there. I was told that the altras would fit the bill, but their standard shoe, although wide in the toe box, is still surprisingly narrow in the mid foot. Will have to try their wide fit option
As an alternative to Altras, consider Topo Athletic. I find the toebox on my Altras isn't actually that wide. Wide compared to normal shoes, yes, but not enough to wear toe spacers for example. I've also read that many other people have had issues with Altra narrowing their lasts. My Topo Terraventures do have a wide enough toebox on the other hand, and fulfil a very similar role, just with a more durable upper than all the Altras I've had experience with, and with vibram soles.
Second the Topos for hiking, backpacking, and trail running, especially the newest models: Pursuit and Trailventure 2. They are the widest within the Topo lineup, and I finally have Altra alternatives with a wider last that won't fall apart so quickly, Vibram outsoles to boot. Still love my Vivos for everyday wear.
@@joannecostigan4244 Yes have a pair of Pursuits as well as Trailventure 2s. Tried the following Topo trail runners: Ultraventure 2, Terraventure 3, and Runventure 4, which all ran too narrow for my wide feet. Seems like the latest offerings (Trailventure 2, Pursuit, Ultraventure 3) are a tiny bit wider than previous models. I backpack with the Trailventure 2s (5mm drop) and hike/trail run with the Pursuits (zero drop). Look forward to seeing if the Ultraventure 3s (5mm drop) have a place in the rotation as a hybrid groomed trail/road shoe. Only Altras that properly fit me are the Torin in wide.
I used the Magna Forrest ESC for hiking both the Canadian Rockies and the jungle of Corcovardo in Costa Rica. Great shoes! Not the best for river crossings. But nothing is when the water gets knee deep! 😂😅
My wife’s first Altras were running shoes, and they definitely wore out very quickly. But I have three pairs of Altras that I have used a lot, and they have lasted well, although I should emphasize that I have mainly worn them on city walks. I also have the two pairs of Vito BF, but I’m essentially only using the pair with a thicker sole, which are a waterproof boot model. I REALLY like those. The other model is a thin-soled shoe that I don’t use much because I find it too hard for paved surfaces.
Good Day Chase! +All of your Videos are Excellent in Detail, but NOT TOO MUCH, to keep Interesting!! This is the Best Review I have seen on Hiking Footwear and You hit the Two best Shoes I have Decided on for Long Distance Hiking & Training... I have been Going Barefoot for over 20 years, except when Going to the Store or Work!!! I hate wearing shoes & I now have seen the Light on the Benefit of Barefoot Shoes the past couple weeks... ALTA Lone Peak 6 (Not the New Version 7) VIVOBareFoot Primus Trail FG and eventually the VIVOBareFoot Magna Trail 2 Very Useful and Thank You for a thorough and Detailed Rant! You make it Easy to Follow and Listen & want more Info on the next Topic... Glad I Found this Video of Your and Hope you All the Best... Cheers from OH, USA God Bless my Hiking & Fitness Friend!!!
Such a great video Chase & so informative. You seem a top bloke too. I’m a converted Vivo wearer even with two knee replacements after a lifetime of running & climbing mountains. I look forward to seeing more . Many thanks fella 👍
@@HenryKlosok Yes, but the boot itself is not insulated so I had to use thick socks + liner socks for those temps. For me that was a good balance of groundfeel and warmth.
@@HenryKlosok Ah ok got it, yes I found them comfy for warmer weather hikes if you need the water resistance, they are more breathable than most waterproof shoes I've tried. On warm dry days I usually switch to Primus Trail FG just because Forest Esc are overkill.
After blowing through 2 pairs of altras I recently discovered merrell alpine sneakers....great for rocky terrain and forest service roads and trails. fun video, beautiful trails.............
For me the ankle support is not to prevent sprains or twists but rather to protect the ankle bone against scrapes and cuts from sharp rocks or fallen tree branches etc. especially where the trail is rough and jagged.
been wearing a pair of lems primal 2 for about 18 months as daily drivers, love them to bits. also have a couple pairs of altra trail runners.. the most minimalist are the merrel vapour gloves which are awesome for lifting in.... the only thing lacking is a zero drop pair of work boots which i would love
How good are the Primal 2 for trail running? I love Lems boulder boot, but the lugs are not big enough for rocky or muddy trails. Vivo Forest Esc or Tracker FG might be good work boot options depending on what you need.
@@MichaelChelen hi um i dont think they would be overly good for trail running, they are great for walking though.... unfortunately i need a steel toecap boot for work... the boulder boot is on my hit list to buy for winter... cant put a price on warm dry feet
@@MichaelChelen Lems has finally made a Boulder Boot version with an offroad sole. Check it out! Probably the perfect minimalist hiking boot. They also have the Outlander hiking boot (where the offroad sole comes from).
@@CptAngelADVlogs Oh awesome! I hadn't seen the outlander before, that also looks really nice and having the lugs on the Boulder could be an ideal combo for either trails or walking around town. Have you had a chance to try either of them yet? I heard that the soles on Trailhead were overly stiff, not sure if that was the case for any other models.
@@MichaelChelen Yeah they're awesome. I wish I could but I'm in Europe and they don't have an EU warehouse or an affordable shipping option for here yet. The tariffs would kill me. It's leather and it's minimalist so it should break in nicely over time.
Well said. The Merrell Vapour Glove 3 and 4 are awesome barefoots too. Noticed you avoided commenting on the Vivo Tracker FG2, kind of glad you didn't recommend that boot as it has very common and unresolved issue with the sole delaminating from the boot with a couple of months. The ESC seems the business though so far
A good place to start is price. I saw a review on the Bearfoot URSA hiking shoe and checked it out: ~$500. That's RIDICULOUS, especially for a "minimalist shoe".
After some transition I switched all my shoes to barefoot last year and haven’t looked back, I feel like I’m evolving somehow 😆. I’ve had a recent bout of metatarsalgia I’m my right foot, I’m pretty sure this is due to poor mobility in my ankle so currently working on that.
I've found low stack height and decent tread for loose-surface traction to be the hardest thing to find. Merrell Trail Glove 4 continue to be my favorite with a fraction the stack height of Altra Lone Peaks. (Avoiding the newer generations of TG that have that horrible overbuilt "support".) Wish they lasted longer though, as with any sticky rubber!
The trail gloves have been my go-to recommendation for both beginner and all purpose minimalist hiking/running shoes, it's a shame the latest version doesn't live up to that. I might give Xero a try for value, though idk how they compare with Vivo for durability.
The trail glove used to be a great all around shoe but that stopped at the 4th version. The 5th was hardly barefoot as with the 6th and worst of all is that they cheapened out the glues. (Not to mention got rid of the burrito tongue which really gave it the "glove" feel) The v4 would last a year with daily all round use. The new ones didn't last 6 months. The glues are already cheap enough to keep you reinvesting but a few months isn't worth it
Do you ever just walk barefoot? I love walking barefoot, started about 5 years ago, when a mate at university who walked barefoot around a lot, always carrying a pair of flip flops in case he needed it for shops etc., turned me onto it. It single revolutionized my back aches and pain, as I've barely had any issues after the first year or so of walking barefoot for most of the year. I will wear boots for winter time but then about 3/4 of the year here in QLD Australia, we can easily have nice enough temps to walk barefoot. Curious to hear how you walk brother, and whether you still walk pure natural without any shoes?
I've been wearing the Primus trail fg for a couple of years now. The soles are pretty worn but they are holding up well. I massively shortened their lifespan by scrambling in them. I really want a pair of Magnas but I might need to buy another pair of Primus trail first as they are my literal everyday shoe
@@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 I looked into that and they don't do it with Primus models (and some others, basically any with mesh in the upper) which I'm pretty upset about since the Primus are some of their flagship models. I think I'll get a pair of Magna next
Really enjoyed the information and your "rant" definitely inspired me that the natural strengthening is the way. Might look into the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail II FG. Thanks mate
6:40 - A fully leather shoe is one of the best options for summer. (Shoewise, not against sandals of course.) If the inside and the outside is also leather it breathes like nothing else.
Chase. I was born with some foot abnormalities one being my feet are totally flat with both talus bones almost flat on the floor. I've avoided the minimalist shoes because of this. Currently, I am working barefoot to improve my ankle mobility and strength, but not ready to get rid of my Oboz yet!! Suggestions??
Thank you once again for another thoughtful & informative talk. I asked about those luggy magnas on an earlier video, so was pleased when this one came up :~) I agree re: ankle support being kind of a misconception. Strength in the foot & ankle is the real support. The function I see with a higher boot would be impact or scrape protection.
There is a reason why army boots and mountaineering boots come with high ankles. To provide ankle support. It exists, it is real. Just try walking through stones at 3-4k meters altitude in low or mid height boots/shoes -- there will be sprained or beaten ankles and lots of regret. Also imagine doing parachute jumping in low/mid height boots. Half of the squad will stay where they land, with sprained or broken ankles.
Explain the ancle support in a longer video! I was always suspicious of that... the actual high boots don't seem to give any real support from twisting ancles no matter how hard the top part is because you never tie it super snug on the top.
I have the same, let's call it disability to wear one shoe too often :D, but i simply enjoy it and it lets me appreciate the shoe way more. I wanted to ask you something though, let me know when you have the time. Thank you, have a great day/night.
The only support you need in a shoe is around the ankle. Arch support is not only unnecessary, but detrimental. *Also: Hokas are NOT wide. 😂 They're just as narrow as conventional shoes. The difference is that the SOLE is wider (not the inside of the shoe).
Great video. I wear homemade sandals in summer on pavement or trails or off trail in woods. In winter I wear Merrell bare access even at -30C. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the bare access. It’s a great minimalist shoe that’s super light, nice and wide, not fluffy like Hoka or Altra, wears well, and is very inexpensive.
Also this video made me realise my Saucony Peregrine 12s aren't at fault for not having enough cushioning, they have a lower drop, and I found them a bit painful hiking with them (even though I wore them all the time for many months before, so I had adapted) - this explains that, that I don't need more cushioning, but maybe less or to be more aware of how I walk in them. I have not hiked in boots for two decades, I jumped on the trail runner thing early on because I found boots a problem, slipping, not-breathable. I think stiff hiking shoes/boots are actually quite dangerous. I am working towards zero drop, but I think given I do trail and cliff walking, need some cushion, but maybe not as much as I think?
Thank you for the video I love barefoot at home but couldn't handle barefoot out, the reason being for example is the stones digging in my foot when I get tired returning to the car this is a killer for me. I am so clumsy hiking but do love merrell moab trail running shoes, your tip on the boot thing really worked for me thanks. I do take note of your video but adapt your advice to fit me.
ive always prefered walking barefoot and frankly shopping for shoes with wide toeboxes where i am is impossible since they design shoes for people with sausage feet . i just resort to buying way oversize , i have to or i literally have to crush my toes
Anyone know what shirt that is? The patagonia cool daily hoody? Very helpful video btw, like the idea of a minimalistic shoe. Can't stand heavy hiking boots.
I got Altra Superiors about a month ago and have been using them for my trail run training. I had Vivo Magna trails a year or so ago and after about month of daily use the rubber sole started separating from the leather were my toes flex so I returned them... I'll have to see how the Altra's hold up but I'm liking them so far for when I want more of a thick stack height. I normally were barefoot sandals or Wildling shoes, which are my favorite barefoot shoes.
You started my ankle awareness journey last year and I have been really moving towards less and less 'supportive' shoes. I'm going to look into bare shoes in more detail. I hate how normal shoes dictate how you walk, especially with the trend of having thicker and thicker heels.
I'm surprised you don't have any sandals in the rotation. I hike in sandals 80% of the time. I only use something more substantial when I know it's going to be very rocky and will need some protection. Sandals truly have no restriction for your toes to splay.
I was a little unhappy with that Vivo barefoot insole. (Love the shoes themselves a lot. What happened is that the insole would bunch up under my arch. Very painful! Now this may be because I tend to wear shoes with longer length than some, or it may be that my foot is a bit narrow. Or it might be because these insoles could be designed a little better. Regardless, an ordinary drugstore insole works at least as well.
TMB in mid June (so some snow guaranteed..) - would you recommend wearing regular Altras ? Waterproof ? Or perhaps I should stick to regular hiking shoes ? Been wearing vivos day-to-day since roughly September but I do have a desk job... In February went to Patagonia and been hiking in Salomon's (Quest 4D GTX) - my feet were boiled. Also shoes didn't feel as comfortable as before - wonder if it's because I'm getting used to the wide toe box now. I have sized up from the same model than my old ones too.. Also - i do have flat feet, b-unions and my left foot is a full size smaller than right. 😅
It is nice that you get Vivo Barefoot shoes sent to you by the company, but they are very expensive. Please review some minimalist shoes for hiking that are more affordable.
Beautiful trail footage featured in the "a shoe for every trail" section. Where were these taken? I'm hoping you say Spain/France and I can go and hike there. I like light y exposed trails. And if you like these geological "sideways" formations, I recommend you exploring the Vall de Lord and the area between the area of Olvan and Vilada (Santa Maria de la Quar, etc)
A shoe is a Shoe, it is either suitable for purpose or it isn't, it either fit's or it doesn't. and the second part is the part most people get wrong, VERY wrong, then blame the shoe.
I agree on ankle support. As soon as you go minimal and cut down on arch support and worn out foam compressing along the outside of your foot, the tendency to roll outwards disappears.
Great video mate thanks a bunch. I was torn between the trail glove and the primus fg but I think the primus looks like a better all-rounder, peak then pub shoe.😉 I just wish that vivo would do the Magna forest without using leather. I have some rock climbing shoes made by wild country with the kitchen rubber though and it performs really well.
What would the best shoes for summer be, then, according to you? I live in Italy and in the summer it gets quite warm, so which shoe would you recommend for going in the Alps, with enough grip, but still light enough? Also, being waterproof would be nice, but I suppose I could take 2 different pair of shoes every time. Good video, thank you.
I'm 68 years old and have been wearing Altras for 5 or 6 years. Most of my miles come from 5-6 mile hikes daily. Some of which are on hard surfaces, roads and some pavement. Lately I have found my Lone Peaks do not provide enough cushion and the soles of my feet get sore. I now wear Altras that provide more stack height. Someone said that this is yet another sign of aging. Is it true? Do our feet need a bit more cushion as we age? Just curious if any others in their mid 60s find this to be true?
This is such a help video! Do yo u think the Magna Forrest ESC is significantly more water resistant than the magna trail 2? If so, could you easily treat the trail 2 to increase its WR?
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Barefoot shoes are an absolute game changer. I had back pain/hip pain while hiking, thought I was going to have to quit hiking. I started doing your hiking warm up routine, yogaish stretching for the hips(a combo of yours and another one), as well as core strengthening, as you suggested, and now I'm wearing barefoot trail runners. I started using a walking technique taught by "Grown Healthy" RUclipsr, and now am able to hike without any back pain. You have made a huge impact on my life. I am forever indebted to you. Thank You!!
I’ll have to check out that channel, thanks for the recco, and I’m so glad that I’ve had a huge impact on your life!!
Grown & Healthy! 🏆
12:50 I'm not sure I entirely agree. Even though I have no foot problems, I like the ideas behind the barefoot style shoes and as many others have adapted this style of shoes into my life. Whilst I'm overall happy with my decision, they simply do not feel safe and secure on more technical hikes in the mountains. I tried several times and I just did not have the confidence that I usually have and in this type of terrain there just isn't that much room for error. This experience made me realize the tremendous value of a stiff sole that can act as a platform in more technical terrain. I think this is something that everyone should keep in mind!
Honestly high ankles on boots are useful, not for the support (I always go through my ankle in them, whilst I don't in my Altras), but for the simple fact of protection. Especially when being off the path and in high grass, you can just stomp through whilst everything scratches against the boot opposed to your ankles. So I think when going off trail they can still have a place (but you can also use gaiters). But on trail it is simply worse.
Okay so having something covering your ankles without being supportive like a brace is what you’re talking about, but that’s a skill issue bc I’ve walked through grass above my ankles and it feels nice, plus shoes/boots would be really weird.
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 High grass wasnt the best example, but when it is wet and or has ticks high boots can be nice. But rocks and branches scratching your ankles is more what I meant :)
@@cheapknight1293 Or getting bit from a snake you can’t see
@@ignaciosaldanajr yeah that too haha
Yeah I commented the same thing, the high ankles are nice if you are in terrain with sharp rocks, thorns, 6" of snow, etc. Gaiters can accomplish this too but it's more gear to manage.
Fully agree on not needing ankle support. I remember being confused by that going into highschool basketball, everyone else was complaining about ankle pain. I had been playing daily since I was 5 on the most minimal low top shoes I could get in the 80s and 90s, so I never had that issue. Have always hated wearing shoes, so the barefoot shoe fad has been a lifesaver.
However having tall boots on the trail is nice for the waterproof factor and SOME snake protection. Here in TX, I have come across western, and eastern diamondbacks, timber rattlers, desert Massasaugas, copperheads and a lot of cotton mouths.
Thanks for the video! Footwear that covers the ankle will protect you from abrasions from scree, rocks and small boulders, help reduce burs / water from grass or small creeks from soaking your sock,, etc. Maybe not for 'support' but still worthwhile for some trails.
This is by far and away the best review of all these shoes I've seen. Especially the way you show how they look on your feet and in action. Have been busy following your exercises. Cheers!
Wow, I feel like you read my mind making this video! I also wear primus trails for day hikes and everyday shoes (including 8+ hour shifts walking on pavement), but as cold, wet winter approaches, I was wondering if I needed cushioned soles both for insulation from the ground and shock absorption on longer hikes/heavier pack days. Super helpful to hear how the leather magnas perform in cold and wet conditions, and the specific pack weight at which you start to miss the cushion. All answers to questions I was just asking myself haha. Thank you!
A hack if you live in the desert southwest. The thin soles of both my vivo barefoot and my xero shoes hikers do not stand up to thorns, especially the one inch mesquite thorns! I had some leftover Mr Tuffy liner for my 4" x 20" bike tires. Cut out insoles from the liner and holes in my feet have been drastically reduced. Not, perfect protection, but much better. Don't feel like I lost much ground feel either.
Thanks for the video 🙌 I’m currently using the high ankle Tracker shoe. I agree with you 100% about the ankle support as you explained. The beauty of high boots is still that they keep pine needles and blueberry bushes out of your shoe when hiking in the forests here in the northern parts of Scandinavia and Finland 🤌
Really helpful video thanks Chase. I transitioned to Altra’s a year ago and love the wide toe box and natural foot strike. I’ve been looking into the Vivo’s as an everyday shoe so you’ve definitely given me a nudge to sort that out. Having a desk job, the struggle with tight hips is most definitely real and daily stretching and strength building has become part of my routine now.
I haven’t heard anyone talk about the Primus Trail SG. They look like they would be great on muddy terrain, and I love the FG version. I just haven’t seen a review on the SG.
For waterproof barefoot shoes you need the sole to stay on tight. The vivo esc line shoes are the only models that the sole won't separate from the upper. Even a small crack will let water in. Since the esc sole is sown they won't allow any water in. I've had many barefoot shoes and in every pair the sole glue will fail due to the flexibility. Even on the esc line the glue fails but the stitching holds it watertight.
Yes, good point. I won't be buying more Vivos without the stitching.
Chase this is great info. I've been wearing Xero's for about 4 years now. A couple years ago I apparently did a partial planter plate tear and just found out what it was just recently. I've been recently re evaluationg the minimalist shoe wearing. I was glad to see that you still mix Altra in there for certain occasions. I've kind of been an all or nothing Xero user and it might have been my downfall for this injury. Thanks for the approval to switch up shoes depending on the job needed. Thank you!
Love what you highlighted here with the problem of modern footwear, and how health starts at the feet. Great Job!
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where can I find trail running shoes made of suede with stitched soles, if any please let me know.
Great. The only problem is that although VB's have a wide toe box they tend to be low volume in the front, that is shaped like a duck's foot. I have owned several styles of them going back to when they were the "Terra Plana" offshoot brand of Clark's (desert boot fame) and found out the hard way the only ones I can wear are those with a stretchy upper in the front, e.g. Ultra's etc. Not gonna spend $250 to find out that the Magna's are too tight, there are now other, more evolved barefoot hiking boots/shoes. Good video, I agree about the so-called "ankle support".
I am not trying to promote Vivo shoes but they now offer a 100 day guarantee.
Can you please help me to decide the size of Vivo shoes I should pick by your experience? What size would you recommend for the Primus Trail II FG? Would you stick to the recommendation by Vivo of 6-14mm allowance? I have to decide between 4mm (44EU) and 10mm (45EU) allowance. It will be my first barefoot shoe, so I am not sure how it will feel like. I plan to use them at work (inside) where I walk a lot and for workouts (calisthenics) at least in the beginning and then when I get use to them maybe for some walks. If I will like them, I plan to buy another shoe for trail running/hiking in the future. If anyone can share the experience with the sizes, I would greatly appreciate it 🙂
Wait did you just like hike up a mountain with a closet full of shoes for a dope background? Respect.
My experience with joint pain (knee and ankle) as well as Achilles and plantar facietes (sp?) was auto immune and most likely caused by gluten. Once I cleaned up my diet, all of those pains went away. I'm 53 years old and fixed all of this about 4 years ago.
I've been wearing the primus lites for a year now and been hiking in altras. And I love it, it makes so much sense for me to walk in minimal shoes. I just bought the magna trail vegan version for the winter and am really curious how waterproof and warm they wil be (also revivo is a great place if you don't have the money to pay full price) Great video as always, thank you for teaching people about this 😊
I moved from trail runners to Vibram Fivefingers around 2010, then on to Luna Sandals after I slowly wore thru two pairs of the vibrams. On my second pair of Lunas now, but I'm starting to get more conscious of exposing the tops of my feet so I'm starting to look at Vivos more seriously. So that is to say, great timing with this video.
And yeah, ditto to what you're saying about ankle strength and the paradox of "support" in shoes. I get using heavy, supportive footwear when doing particularly dangerous things (I work around horses and won't wear any barefoot style shoes around), but if the purpose of your activity is to exercise or train or improve fitness then I think people should try to use footwear that is as minimal as possible, all the way down to exercising barefoot if possible (like running on a beach for example).
The barefoot theory is definitely on to some great points regarding foot strength and mobility. These concepts to me make sense for being some of the best protection against injury. We often think about the big muscles and big joints and completely overlook the smaller parts of our body. However, high weight and long distance is still a concern for me. Chase, if you've read my other comment on a different video, you'll know I'm a newb and recently failed a hike because I was overweight (pack) and under trained. But my end goal isn't to entirely reduce that weight to ultralight, I want to build back up to that weight capability (within reason). So I think I'm going to try out some of these barefoot principles and start training my feet, but at the end of the day, I have some intended use cases that I will definitely still be using boots for. For me, I think the key is using the boots when needed, but continually training my feet and using more minimal footwear in all other scenarios. And when I say boots, I mean like rigid structural boots. The mid height barefoot shoe is likely not what people are talking about when they are speaking of wanting ankle support, if i were to guess. I have several pairs of boots, oboz and saloman, that most definitely provide actual structural support to my ankles. The problem being, I've been wearing those to much on a daily basis, and they have made my feet lazy. Maybe i'm still just an ignorant newb, but i'm just coming from a different use case. Not everyone is an ultralight hiker. The weight capability I want to develop is for a specific purpose, non-negotiables if you get my drift. Not just a macho thing.
Thanks so much for the videos which are the best I've come across. Been watching a while, and dipping my toe (and feet, ankle, knees, hips) into some of your exercises to strengthen and, um, flexibilise, particularly the lower muscles and ligaments. As a 57 year old man, who has been wearing barefoot shoes for the last four years or so, it undoubtedly takes longer to get mountain/hike proof knees and ankles. I'm having to relearn something you always mention...listen to the body. I've moved too fast with some of your suggested exercises, for instance. But never doubted the wisdom behind them.
Personally, I'm doing this for the reasons you often state...to gain and maintain fitness through to my eventual demise. LOL. But I have a specific aim, a long term plan, to go on a very long walk through Europe to Iran when I'm 60, with my travel guitar on my back, playing wee gigs on the way. Story behind that, but that's the plan.
So, you're my main go to for body stuff. I'll likely try one of your paid courses further down the line.
ps. I've got a favourite bare foot shoe, which is kind of a sandal/shoe which I wear for pretty much everything bar weddings and funerals. It's the xero shoes colorado. Perfect for my needs in general, including most of my hiking needs.
Sounds like a good time!
Good luck with your walk to Iran, sounds like it will be epic.
@@ashmaybe9634 Thank you.
i used to get sore feet and Achilles, tried everything, then went to Merrill barefoot, have never looked back. Totally converted to barefoot shoes. looking to try a pair of vevo trackers as there is a lot of mud in NZ. so thanks for the review it was very helpful.
I’ve been into the altra for a few years & heaps of barefoot time but finding something vegan and waterproof has been challenging for the trail.
Vivo has vegan options :)
I found your previous video really helpful when I was looking at switching. I now have 3 pairs of vivos - primus lite, primus trail and tracker forest esc - and have donated all my old shoes! Covered for pretty much any eventuality here in the UK. Cheers!
I’m still in my 100 day trial for my Primus lite III and based on this I may swap them for the FG trail. How do they compare for you if you are ok to share ?
@@amandaball7116 I got the lite first to test out, then the other two and the trail immediately became my daily pair. The lite were comfy but didn't have quite enough grip, I had to be slightly careful not to slip if I ended up in the woods walking the dog etc. The trail doesn't have that problem at all, they're still really comfy and seem a great all-round option. Hope that helps!
@@JoelAaargh awesome thanks v much. Need to go look to see if they are waterproof altho’ I expect they dry out quickly? I seem to remember someone reviewing either these or another type that said the laces area a pain as they are way too long? Any further insight before I go change them would be great. Similar width/fit to Primus? Thanks so much
@@amandaball7116 I got the trail knit so no def not waterproof but yes quick drying. Has the quick lace system with the toggle, you need to tuck the end under at the bottom but never been a problem. Toe box is possibly slightly more rounded but might be my imagination, still super comfortable!
@@JoelAaargh thanks Joel. Off to seek out my replacement (or second ☺️) pair. My Primus Lite III have been good for the summer so it’s tough to exchange them. Best go look at the bank balance 😉
I wore army boots nearly all my life. I had ankle, knee, hip and lower back pain until I got acclimated to barefoot shoes. Still in recovery but every day is better than the last. Hint; I am 66. My favorite shoe is; WHITIN Men's Minimalist Trail Runner (amazon) with a Dr. Scholl's heavy duty support insole.
Doesn't the Scholls support defeat the purpose ?
Thank you for the video and the feedback. Moved to barefoot walking and then hiking on Lunas sandals maybe 3 years ago and definitively not going back to the standard hiking boots or shoes, the sandals actually turn into my daily walk, run, hike shoe. While practicing as well cold exposure the cold is not a big issue as we think. Still considering barefoot shoe or boot for a very cold snowy weather. Lunas last very long, they mould to your foot and yes ankle support is a myth in my opinion; had an ankle surgery and walking barefoot and on Lunas my ankles are very strong.
From a military background, I want "ankle protection" more than support. My preferred boots were soft all the way up about 8 inches, so not big on support, but they provided some minimal protection. I'd love to see some MOSTLY minimalist military boots (sorry, can't go soft and squishy on the soles, they have to serve some protection from puncture).
Absolutely, lightfighter all the way @BooDamnHoo🫡
Jim green african trooper
Agreed 👍
What I do, if I find an old pair I like with traditional soles, I tear off the old soles, clean up the bottom of the shoe, get a thin rubber floor mat (black) and cut to the shape of the sole.
Glue/cement it on, and bingo !
Barefoot boots
Lowa boots would be your winner then
You should definitely try XERO shoes, I prefer them over vivos tbh
The Topo shoes are a great place to start for running/trail hiking as well similar like Altra but do have a 3--5 mm drop on the shoe unlike Altra that is 0--1 mm drop for the entire lineup.
Most minimal brand is actually Xero Shoes, they have the most minimal shoes with most being just the rubber and a sock liner and can get some classic hiking sandals that are even thinner and just this minimal foam rubber outsole. Also the shoes have been rated to last at a minimum for lowest rated models of the distance of NYC to LA or DC to LA, with 3,000 miles to 4,000 miles on the upper end from the brand. They do not give the same rating to the classic 1.5 mm foam rubber trail sandals that use the paracord like attachment but the other trail sandals they do give the minimum rating at the least.
People often forget that New Balance still makes a minimal trail runner and a few non trail minimal running shoes under the Minumus brand. When New Balance first made the shoes was in 2009--2010 back when about the only options for minimal trail running was using the Viberam 5 finger first trail models, Merrel the Vapor Glove as the first true minimal trail model, or using the more durable upper types of Cross Country flats.
Got the same Primus Trail, also wearing them all the time, on and offroad 😊
On the arch support thing you mentioned about the merrel - there's no medical evidence that arch support help feet form arches, or that collapsed arches cause any problems for that matter. I have flat feet, and growing up I was co standby told to wear arch support inserts which just ended up causing me severe pain and blisters on my mid foot (where my arch should be) and did not in any way change my arch shape over 5-6 years! As an adult I just started wearing super wide and then eventually barefoot shoes and just embraced that my feet are flat and have had ZERO issues. What I find annoying now is that, for long hikes or road running, I want the same wide fit as the vivosbit with a thicker more durable outsole and a bit of stack height to prevent my feet getting sore, but there really isn't much out there. I was told that the altras would fit the bill, but their standard shoe, although wide in the toe box, is still surprisingly narrow in the mid foot. Will have to try their wide fit option
As an alternative to Altras, consider Topo Athletic. I find the toebox on my Altras isn't actually that wide. Wide compared to normal shoes, yes, but not enough to wear toe spacers for example. I've also read that many other people have had issues with Altra narrowing their lasts. My Topo Terraventures do have a wide enough toebox on the other hand, and fulfil a very similar role, just with a more durable upper than all the Altras I've had experience with, and with vibram soles.
Second the Topos for hiking, backpacking, and trail running, especially the newest models: Pursuit and Trailventure 2. They are the widest within the Topo lineup, and I finally have Altra alternatives with a wider last that won't fall apart so quickly, Vibram outsoles to boot. Still love my Vivos for everyday wear.
Unfortunately Terraventure is not zero drop (for the purists).
@@joannecostigan4244 The Pursuit is zero drop
@@Metabolicholic very interesting! Do you have a pair? Any feedback? Cheers.
@@joannecostigan4244 Yes have a pair of Pursuits as well as Trailventure 2s. Tried the following Topo trail runners: Ultraventure 2, Terraventure 3, and Runventure 4, which all ran too narrow for my wide feet. Seems like the latest offerings (Trailventure 2, Pursuit, Ultraventure 3) are a tiny bit wider than previous models. I backpack with the Trailventure 2s (5mm drop) and hike/trail run with the Pursuits (zero drop). Look forward to seeing if the Ultraventure 3s (5mm drop) have a place in the rotation as a hybrid groomed trail/road shoe. Only Altras that properly fit me are the Torin in wide.
I used the Magna Forrest ESC for hiking both the Canadian Rockies and the jungle of Corcovardo in Costa Rica. Great shoes! Not the best for river crossings. But nothing is when the water gets knee deep! 😂😅
How is it in hot summers? 20-30c?
My wife’s first Altras were running shoes, and they definitely wore out very quickly. But I have three pairs of Altras that I have used a lot, and they have lasted well, although I should emphasize that I have mainly worn them on city walks. I also have the two pairs of Vito BF, but I’m essentially only using the pair with a thicker sole, which are a waterproof boot model. I REALLY like those. The other model is a thin-soled shoe that I don’t use much because I find it too hard for paved surfaces.
Good Day Chase!
+All of your Videos are Excellent in Detail, but NOT TOO MUCH, to keep Interesting!!
This is the Best Review I have seen on Hiking Footwear and You hit the Two best Shoes I have Decided on for Long Distance Hiking & Training...
I have been Going Barefoot for over 20 years, except when Going to the Store or Work!!! I hate wearing shoes & I now have seen the Light on the Benefit of Barefoot Shoes the past couple weeks...
ALTA Lone Peak 6 (Not the New Version 7)
VIVOBareFoot Primus Trail FG
and eventually the VIVOBareFoot Magna Trail 2
Very Useful and Thank You for a thorough and Detailed Rant! You make it Easy to Follow and Listen & want more Info on the next Topic...
Glad I Found this Video of Your and Hope you All the Best...
Cheers from OH, USA
God Bless my Hiking & Fitness Friend!!!
Such a great video Chase & so informative. You seem a top bloke too. I’m a converted Vivo wearer even with two knee replacements after a lifetime of running & climbing mountains. I look forward to seeing more . Many thanks fella 👍
I love the Forest Esc, for me the ankle height is not at all about ankle support but to protect from water and abrasions.
Have you used it in 20-30c?
@@HenryKlosok Yes, but the boot itself is not insulated so I had to use thick socks + liner socks for those temps. For me that was a good balance of groundfeel and warmth.
I meant hiking around 20 to 30c (70 to 85 fahrenheit). Ideally, I will use my Primus trails for hot days if it’s not too extreme ground
@@HenryKlosok Ah ok got it, yes I found them comfy for warmer weather hikes if you need the water resistance, they are more breathable than most waterproof shoes I've tried. On warm dry days I usually switch to Primus Trail FG just because Forest Esc are overkill.
I knew you'd come around with a full-on video at some point down the trail. You were clearly going that direction. 😄🦶Love to see this.
After blowing through 2 pairs of altras I recently discovered merrell alpine sneakers....great for rocky terrain and forest service roads and trails. fun video, beautiful trails.............
I’ve loved my Xero shoes Terraflex II and Mesa Trail for my backpacking and hiking trips.
Xero Mesa Trails are awesome aren't they?! One of my favourite barefoot shoes! 👍
Wearing superior 5s as I watch this. I love em. Gone try the vivo primus. Thanks for the content.
For me the ankle support is not to prevent sprains or twists but rather to protect the ankle bone against scrapes and cuts from sharp rocks or fallen tree branches etc. especially where the trail is rough and jagged.
been wearing a pair of lems primal 2 for about 18 months as daily drivers, love them to bits. also have a couple pairs of altra trail runners.. the most minimalist are the merrel vapour gloves which are awesome for lifting in.... the only thing lacking is a zero drop pair of work boots which i would love
How good are the Primal 2 for trail running? I love Lems boulder boot, but the lugs are not big enough for rocky or muddy trails. Vivo Forest Esc or Tracker FG might be good work boot options depending on what you need.
@@MichaelChelen hi um i dont think they would be overly good for trail running, they are great for walking though.... unfortunately i need a steel toecap boot for work... the boulder boot is on my hit list to buy for winter... cant put a price on warm dry feet
@@MichaelChelen Lems has finally made a Boulder Boot version with an offroad sole. Check it out! Probably the perfect minimalist hiking boot. They also have the Outlander hiking boot (where the offroad sole comes from).
@@CptAngelADVlogs Oh awesome! I hadn't seen the outlander before, that also looks really nice and having the lugs on the Boulder could be an ideal combo for either trails or walking around town. Have you had a chance to try either of them yet? I heard that the soles on Trailhead were overly stiff, not sure if that was the case for any other models.
@@MichaelChelen Yeah they're awesome. I wish I could but I'm in Europe and they don't have an EU warehouse or an affordable shipping option for here yet. The tariffs would kill me.
It's leather and it's minimalist so it should break in nicely over time.
Well said. The Merrell Vapour Glove 3 and 4 are awesome barefoots too. Noticed you avoided commenting on the Vivo Tracker FG2, kind of glad you didn't recommend that boot as it has very common and unresolved issue with the sole delaminating from the boot with a couple of months. The ESC seems the business though so far
Yes, I love the look and feel of the Tracker FG2 but the sole started coming off the leather after just a month 😔
thank you for sharing your insight and information
This is a must save vlog for me. Thank you greatly Sir!
A good place to start is price. I saw a review on the Bearfoot URSA hiking shoe and checked it out: ~$500. That's RIDICULOUS, especially for a "minimalist shoe".
After some transition I switched all my shoes to barefoot last year and haven’t looked back, I feel like I’m evolving somehow 😆. I’ve had a recent bout of metatarsalgia I’m my right foot, I’m pretty sure this is due to poor mobility in my ankle so currently working on that.
I've found low stack height and decent tread for loose-surface traction to be the hardest thing to find. Merrell Trail Glove 4 continue to be my favorite with a fraction the stack height of Altra Lone Peaks. (Avoiding the newer generations of TG that have that horrible overbuilt "support".) Wish they lasted longer though, as with any sticky rubber!
The trail gloves have been my go-to recommendation for both beginner and all purpose minimalist hiking/running shoes, it's a shame the latest version doesn't live up to that. I might give Xero a try for value, though idk how they compare with Vivo for durability.
This has been a lifesaver, thank you!
The trail glove used to be a great all around shoe but that stopped at the 4th version. The 5th was hardly barefoot as with the 6th and worst of all is that they cheapened out the glues. (Not to mention got rid of the burrito tongue which really gave it the "glove" feel) The v4 would last a year with daily all round use. The new ones didn't last 6 months. The glues are already cheap enough to keep you reinvesting but a few months isn't worth it
Do you ever just walk barefoot? I love walking barefoot, started about 5 years ago, when a mate at university who walked barefoot around a lot, always carrying a pair of flip flops in case he needed it for shops etc., turned me onto it. It single revolutionized my back aches and pain, as I've barely had any issues after the first year or so of walking barefoot for most of the year. I will wear boots for winter time but then about 3/4 of the year here in QLD Australia, we can easily have nice enough temps to walk barefoot. Curious to hear how you walk brother, and whether you still walk pure natural without any shoes?
Broken glass.
I've been wearing the Primus trail fg for a couple of years now. The soles are pretty worn but they are holding up well. I massively shortened their lifespan by scrambling in them. I really want a pair of Magnas but I might need to buy another pair of Primus trail first as they are my literal everyday shoe
You can get them refreshed using the Revivo service? I had my trackers back within a month and they were like new.
@@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 I looked into that and they don't do it with Primus models (and some others, basically any with mesh in the upper) which I'm pretty upset about since the Primus are some of their flagship models.
I think I'll get a pair of Magna next
@@CaptainBrash bugger...
I like the my original Trackers like, but I've heard the newer ones aren't as good quality.
Really enjoyed the information and your "rant" definitely inspired me that the natural strengthening is the way. Might look into the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail II FG. Thanks mate
Really great comparison of some options I am already familiar with and some that I'm looking into. Thanks much!
Thanks, I was on vivo for new hiking boots/shoes and was struggling to decide between the three you discussed. Your video really helped!
6:40 - A fully leather shoe is one of the best options for summer. (Shoewise, not against sandals of course.) If the inside and the outside is also leather it breathes like nothing else.
Brand?
Walk 100% Altra timp for a year now
Hiked over 1000 km without any knee pain.
Did took a while to get used to
Thinking to switching to barefoot shoes for my everyday routine. I always am barefoot at home. Great video! Thank you!
Thanks brother 🙏
I feel pretty confident with my purchase now
This is a great vid! Super informative
Chase. I was born with some foot abnormalities one being my feet are totally flat with both talus bones almost flat on the floor. I've avoided the minimalist shoes because of this. Currently, I am working barefoot to improve my ankle mobility and strength, but not ready to get rid of my Oboz yet!! Suggestions??
Always love to see what your into, you’ve turned me on to a lot of good products. Thank you!
Thank you once again for another thoughtful & informative talk. I asked about those luggy magnas on an earlier video, so was pleased when this one came up :~) I agree re: ankle support being kind of a misconception. Strength in the foot & ankle is the real support. The function I see with a higher boot would be impact or scrape protection.
There is a reason why army boots and mountaineering boots come with high ankles. To provide ankle support. It exists, it is real. Just try walking through stones at 3-4k meters altitude in low or mid height boots/shoes -- there will be sprained or beaten ankles and lots of regret. Also imagine doing parachute jumping in low/mid height boots. Half of the squad will stay where they land, with sprained or broken ankles.
Explain the ancle support in a longer video! I was always suspicious of that... the actual high boots don't seem to give any real support from twisting ancles no matter how hard the top part is because you never tie it super snug on the top.
I have the same, let's call it disability to wear one shoe too often :D, but i simply enjoy it and it lets me appreciate the shoe way more. I wanted to ask you something though, let me know when you have the time. Thank you, have a great day/night.
I used to use Minimis for tai chi. Interesting assortment.
The only support you need in a shoe is around the ankle. Arch support is not only unnecessary, but detrimental.
*Also: Hokas are NOT wide. 😂 They're just as narrow as conventional shoes. The difference is that the SOLE is wider (not the inside of the shoe).
Great video. I wear homemade sandals in summer on pavement or trails or off trail in woods. In winter I wear Merrell bare access even at -30C. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the bare access. It’s a great minimalist shoe that’s super light, nice and wide, not fluffy like Hoka or Altra, wears well, and is very inexpensive.
Are BareAccess still available on the market. Mine are definitely worn out and I'm turning on TrialGlove.
@@albertopi1950 no I’m afraid they aren’t any more. The trail glove is a good shoe but more minimalist and therefore not as easy on rocky trails
@@jamesmungall6669 indeed
Also this video made me realise my Saucony Peregrine 12s aren't at fault for not having enough cushioning, they have a lower drop, and I found them a bit painful hiking with them (even though I wore them all the time for many months before, so I had adapted) - this explains that, that I don't need more cushioning, but maybe less or to be more aware of how I walk in them.
I have not hiked in boots for two decades, I jumped on the trail runner thing early on because I found boots a problem, slipping, not-breathable. I think stiff hiking shoes/boots are actually quite dangerous. I am working towards zero drop, but I think given I do trail and cliff walking, need some cushion, but maybe not as much as I think?
Thank you for the video I love barefoot at home but couldn't handle barefoot out, the reason being for example is the stones digging in my foot when I get tired returning to the car this is a killer for me. I am so clumsy hiking but do love merrell moab trail running shoes, your tip on the boot thing really worked for me thanks. I do take note of your video but adapt your advice to fit me.
ive always prefered walking barefoot and frankly shopping for shoes with wide toeboxes where i am is impossible since they design shoes for people with sausage feet . i just resort to buying way oversize , i have to or i literally have to crush my toes
I got some Xero genesis sandals and love walking around in them , super minimal hopefully I can work up to some vivos or altras for some proper hiking
Michelin’s been in the sole game at least since the early 2000’s likely much earlier. I remember Adidas making car racing shoes w them back then
Great video! I love my Vivo’s and you shown me a few that I’ve not seen
Great video 👍 just curious though, what toe spreaders do you recommend?
Anyone know what shirt that is? The patagonia cool daily hoody? Very helpful video btw, like the idea of a minimalistic shoe. Can't stand heavy hiking boots.
I got Altra Superiors about a month ago and have been using them for my trail run training. I had Vivo Magna trails a year or so ago and after about month of daily use the rubber sole started separating from the leather were my toes flex so I returned them... I'll have to see how the Altra's hold up but I'm liking them so far for when I want more of a thick stack height. I normally were barefoot sandals or Wildling shoes, which are my favorite barefoot shoes.
Recently purchased merrill trail glove 6-narrow but they match my feet. Long and narrow. 😊
You started my ankle awareness journey last year and I have been really moving towards less and less 'supportive' shoes. I'm going to look into bare shoes in more detail. I hate how normal shoes dictate how you walk, especially with the trend of having thicker and thicker heels.
I'm surprised you don't have any sandals in the rotation. I hike in sandals 80% of the time. I only use something more substantial when I know it's going to be very rocky and will need some protection. Sandals truly have no restriction for your toes to splay.
I like ankle support because it's comfortable, I never wear anything under a mid
I was a little unhappy with that Vivo barefoot insole. (Love the shoes themselves a lot. What happened is that the insole would bunch up under my arch. Very painful! Now this may be because I tend to wear shoes with longer length than some, or it may be that my foot is a bit narrow. Or it might be because these insoles could be designed a little better. Regardless, an ordinary drugstore insole works at least as well.
TMB in mid June (so some snow guaranteed..) - would you recommend wearing regular Altras ? Waterproof ? Or perhaps I should stick to regular hiking shoes ?
Been wearing vivos day-to-day since roughly September but I do have a desk job... In February went to Patagonia and been hiking in Salomon's (Quest 4D GTX) - my feet were boiled. Also shoes didn't feel as comfortable as before - wonder if it's because I'm getting used to the wide toe box now. I have sized up from the same model than my old ones too.. Also - i do have flat feet, b-unions and my left foot is a full size smaller than right. 😅
It is nice that you get Vivo Barefoot shoes sent to you by the company, but they are very expensive. Please review some minimalist shoes for hiking that are more affordable.
Is this for real?
The Vivo Tracker Forest ESC is water resistant not water proof. The waterproof version of that boot is the Tracker II FG.
Great advise, thanks. Found this very interesting.
Beautiful trail footage featured in the "a shoe for every trail" section. Where were these taken? I'm hoping you say Spain/France and I can go and hike there. I like light y exposed trails. And if you like these geological "sideways" formations, I recommend you exploring the Vall de Lord and the area between the area of Olvan and Vilada (Santa Maria de la Quar, etc)
You’re in luck. That’s footage from the western end of the HRP :) right on the border
Absolutely love my altras...hate how fast they deteriorate
You should give sandals a try. Shamma, Luna, Earth Runner
Thanks for the reccos!
Very educational. Thank you!
I have a knee pain caused by going down hills. This is because of stiff shoes that do not allow to use calfs muscles.
A shoe is a Shoe, it is either suitable for purpose or it isn't, it either fit's or it doesn't. and the second part is the part most people get wrong, VERY wrong, then blame the shoe.
I agree on ankle support. As soon as you go minimal and cut down on arch support and worn out foam compressing along the outside of your foot, the tendency to roll outwards disappears.
When would it be recommended to wear high cushioned shoes like the Altra Olympus?
Great video mate thanks a bunch. I was torn between the trail glove and the primus fg but I think the primus looks like a better all-rounder, peak then pub shoe.😉
I just wish that vivo would do the Magna forest without using leather.
I have some rock climbing shoes made by wild country with the kitchen rubber though and it performs really well.
Also I've used sportiva lycan 2's as my transition trainer, super wide toe box on those.
What would the best shoes for summer be, then, according to you? I live in Italy and in the summer it gets quite warm, so which shoe would you recommend for going in the Alps, with enough grip, but still light enough? Also, being waterproof would be nice, but I suppose I could take 2 different pair of shoes every time. Good video, thank you.
I'm 68 years old and have been wearing Altras for 5 or 6 years. Most of my miles come from 5-6 mile hikes daily. Some of which are on hard surfaces, roads and some pavement. Lately I have found my Lone Peaks do not provide enough cushion and the soles of my feet get sore. I now wear Altras that provide more stack height. Someone said that this is yet another sign of aging. Is it true? Do our feet need a bit more cushion as we age? Just curious if any others in their mid 60s find this to be true?
Yes.
This is such a help video! Do yo u think the Magna Forrest ESC is significantly more water resistant than the magna trail 2? If so, could you easily treat the trail 2 to increase its WR?