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Not just one of history's greatest aviators, but that inimitable British attitude and spirit. Just a joy to listen to how he presents himself and the work he performed.
The Hawker Hurricane, like the American F-4F Wildcat, had to do the heaviest lifting against the most experienced and confident enemy pilots. They did a damn fine job too! Thanks for showing the Hurricane some well deserved love. ❤️
I've always been curious about what brand of forklift those guys preferred to use whenever they needed to haul around their massive forged steel balls. Obviously a hand-truck couldn't carry that much weight without folding up like a cheap suit.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Young folks today have no idea/no clue how lucky and blessed they are that the young folks of yesterday were willing and able to make such a supreme sacrifice. If for no other reason than so they wouldn't have to. The can choose to squander their lives feeling sorry for themselves instead of dying...alone...thousands of miles from home...at the age of 18, 19, 20, etc. Semper Fidelis and thanks to your Dad for his service and sacrifice. We ALL owe him and his generation a debt that could NEVER be repaid with any amounts of money.
I always put the Hurricane in the same category as its American counterpart the P-40. Underrated and never appreciated for it's contributions to the war effort.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv They served alongside each other in the Western Desert, without which the Axis could not stop to pause to regroup, the Armour and other ordnance just couldnt move without the Hurricane MkIIs and P40s pounding them into a speedy retreat.
@@bobsakamanos4469 " the Hurricane was 3rd tier and never a competetive front line fighter even in 1940." I think the Battle of Britain proves otherwise.
Amazing character, massive balls & a real gem. Capt Brown would be horrified at what the western world has become over recent years. But he reminds us of what we're capable of.
@@andrewstewart9263 Every time I visit my dad's grave, a WW2 vet, I expect to see the ground around him heaved up from all the vets turning over in their graves.
These types of recollections and interviews are priceless captures of the reality of the situation these people found themselves in. Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" and the sequel/followup, "The Greatest Generations Speaks" captures the backstories, but interviews like this....the honesty and the clearly vivid and accurate memories...are priceless. Thankyou for sharing, and all the efforts to interview etc. Most people don't appreciate how much effort his takes.
Fascinating, and especially being followed by the Eric Brown story and interview. Thank you, a great way to approach the New Year! (It is 11.23 pm right now here in New Zealand)
The Gloster Gladiator Mk.2 three bladed propeller was the last British biplane fighter and was very good biplane fighter such as Faith Hope and Charity in Malta (although some say there were six Sea Gladiator three on either side of the island) was the only front line fighter they had to defend the island from the might of Italian air force that was latter joined by Hurricane's and even latter Spitfire's to meet the strength of the German Luftwaffe
The Spitfire mk.1 was overrated, it could not taxi and land very well because of it's narrow based undercarriage and there were more Hurricane's in the Battle of Britain than Spitfire's that could not of won the fight with out the Hurricane that did not only go after the bombers but shoot down many 109's
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes I know that the head of the Luftwaffe ordered the 109's to stay close to the bombers as my father in law was a RAF fighter pilot of the Battle of Britains the Rev. Canon Elwyn Roberts shop died age 79 about 20 years ago and my father was Alsop to in the RAF he was a navigator and met weather officer in bomber command but he join until 1941 and he served in the middle East in Egypt and the far East in India from late 1944 until 1947.
Yes I know that the 109's later flew with the bombers and all MK1 were late fitted with arm plat behind the polit seat and the fabric cover enabled the Hurricane to take gun damaged. MY father in law the Rev canon Elwyn Roberts who died aged 79 about 20 years ago was a RAF fighter pilot of the Battle of Britain who flew Hurricane's and Spits and Chief Parks only flew in adapted Hurricane. How it was adapted I am not sure maybe it was a Mk1b that had cannon fitted under the wing or a prota type MK 2 with four cannon two in either wing and no machine guns. My father was also in the RAF in bomber command in Wellington's from 1941 to 1947 and died age 89 ten years ago was a Navigator and met office weather officer who served in Exeter then in the Middle East in Egypt in the North Africa campaign and latter in Far East in India and stayed there after the War until independence in the Met office on the staff of Mountbatten and he has a Burma star medal
This is awesome, in the North África campaigns the British fighter was the Hurricane, this is the first modern attemp of informing web denizens about it. A true war hero.
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes, the Hurricane was vitally important throughout much of the war, but as a pure fighter it became obsolete as early as 1941. Hurricanes tasked with defending Malta and faced with the new bf109F had a desperately hard time. Some of those Hurricanes were still mark 1s and were little better than death traps for the unfortunate pilots. For too long, the RAF hesitated to deploy spitfires abroad, but eventually Malta told London, either you give us spitfires or we will have to surrender. At last, the RAF commanders listened, and the Royal Navy, assisted twice by the USS Wasp, ferried spitfire Vs to within ferry range of Malta. They turned the tide of the Malta air war under the direction of Sir Keith Park. Hurricanes soldiered on in the ground attack role in some of the more remote theatres of war, notably Burma, where they operated under the cover of spitfire VIIIs, although the RAF began upgrading Hurricane units in India and Burma to the faster and more powerful P-47 thunderbolt
@@bobsakamanos4469 Also the Hurricane was deployed to North Africa, Malta and Burma in large part because of Trafford Leigh-Mallory. He refused to deploy newer Spitfire Mk Vs. to those theatres, at first. He insisted on keeping them in Britain where many were wasted and shot down flying pointless fighter sweeps across German-occupied France.
It was horses for courses, the way that RAF Fighter Command deployed them that made the difference. If the Hurricane had received the development that the Spitfire received along with the RR Merlin engine updates it would have been more of a total contender in overall best fighter of WWII?
It was an incredible time in history! My generation experienced the aftermath through parents, teachers, etc - war torn and rebuilding the country and their lives while raising families. Their youth was taken away, and the effects would be with them throughout their lives. An incredible generation of youngsters - passing on their abilities to make much of little to their children. Almost everything in play for a fifties child was war related!
@alunjones2185 there was an amazing study of the epigenetic changes experienced by those who lived through the war and how those changes impacted the genetics of their children as well. It showed, for example, that people who were born to parents where one or both had survived a concentration camp were significantly more likely to experience a stress disorder as a result. They think it was an epigenetic thing since the results were the same whether or not that person was subsequently raised by the camp survivor or not. There were more interesting correlations found, but that was the one that really stuck out in my head. I know the same team of researchers also tracked the children of people who lived through the great depression (I don't recall how they controlled for those who experienced the war, but they're smart responsible researchers so I assume they did something) and found there was some sort of correlation with eating habits or metabolism as well. It's too long ago for me to recall off the top of my head what the findings were with any accuracy, but it's definitely worth tracking down and having a look if you're into that sort of thing.
@tommytwotacos8106 Hi Tommy, Thanks for this detailed reply. I've researched this at various times, over the years, and recall work on the children of concentration camp survivors. I did interview various veterans who'd repressed wartime experiences but would pass on the effects to family members and experience a return of emotions when experiencing a late-life illness. Good of you to reply! Alun :)
I am incredibly impressed, by the illustrious career of Captain Brown. The expression isn't new, but after practising all the emergency procedures, and having had some of my own harrowing experiences, a pilot still wants to have a little luck. I had an all jet flying career, starting in 1965 on the Canadian Tutor. All the RCAF pilots in my generation, also got to fly the Canadian T-33, with no nosewheel steering, and the Rolls-Royce Nene 10 engine, which had the same engine acceleration problem as was described by Captain Brown. It was still a great aircraft to fly. I flew with a lot of the earlier generation of RCAF pilots who flew the Sabre in Germany, and all of them stated, that the Tutor, was the next best thing to the Sabre in terms of performance and handling. I think that the proof that, is that even though it has been retired as the basic training aircraft, it is still being used by the Canadian demonstration team, The Snowbirds.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew Harv May, (Sabre generation), and Bob Stickley, (the RMC course ahead of mine in MJ). My instructor on T-Birds, was Mike Carle (Clunks in Europe).
@@bobsakamanos4469 I haven't seen Bob, since he went to PWA, but was not happy. He rejoined the RCAF, and came back to MJ. (For the fun of it, I looked in my log book, and I did a routine standards check on him in April of 1969.)
Excellent vid! Thanks. Hawkers were based in Kingston-upon-Thames. There's almost nothing left to celebrate such a history in Kingston other than a few street names and a plaque or two. That's how much pride there is in Hawker's home town and very few people are even aware of it's links to aircraft. Hawker's works sports club is the only remnant, now a YMCA sports center which has a few faded photographs hanging outside the toilets. Meanwhile the factory premises were completely demolished to make way for a soulless cardboard box housing estate. Sad really.
@bobsakamanos4469 only after the Battle of Britain in 1940 when replaced in Goup 11 squadrons by Spitfires. It continued as a front line day fighter in north Africa and SE Asia to 1945.
@bobsakamanos4469 the Hurricane, despite being 10% slower than the Me109, achieved 65% of the kills while being 65% of RAF Fighter Command. To get at the Luftwaffe bombers they had to fight their way through fighter screens.. RAF Polish 303 squadron flew Hurricanes in the BoB, with 68% of their kills being Me109s, the rest, Luftwaffe bombers. They switched to Spitfires in mid 1941. You clearly have a limited knowledge of the Hurricane and its effectiveness in 1940, let alone how they continued to be used in large numbers in various rules to 1945.
@@michaelmazowiecki9195don't bother with that bob guy. he is under every hurricane video going on and on about how it was the worst aircraft ever built
The new pilots found them easier for taking off and landing with there wider landing gear than the spitfire . They were also much quicker to rearm than the spit , and could be patched up and back in the air much quicker than a spit , some canvas and glue and back in the air , they also took much more punishment and make it back home than spitfires , some pilots that were given spitfires wanted back onto Hurricanes , they were adapted for low level bombing , mostly in North Africa , they knocked out many German tanks and convoys appearing out of nowhere , overall a brilliant sturdy aircraft .
Hawker Hurricane cost £450.00. Supermarine Spitfire cost £950.00. For they money the Hurricane represented amazing value, it's why they were so numerous and a fact that is hardly ever touched on.
I have seen four bladed propeller Hurricanes and there were number of Mk's (there's even apparently a Mk 12 still flying in Canada)of the Hurricane and I have seen a MK4 with four cannon and rockets or small bombs like the Typhoon when I was in the ATC on a day trip to a former RAF airport I think it was Duxford
@55:33 “The pilot… taxied out the runway, and, uhm, I watched this thing take off, it did a fairly short flight before it landed very smoothly, and it was in that moment that I decided that my callsign shall be changed to Maverick and I would become the premier panty-chaser and jet-aircraft fighter jock in all of His Majesty’s Great Britain by George, and the next time I went up in my Wildcat I radioed the tower requesting permission to do a right proper flyby, but the tower controller gave me an emphatic “No!” to which I responded: I’m sorry, Hudson old boy, but it’s time to buzz the tower! GOD SAVE THE KING!!”
Yeah, a great aeroplane that did a lot of work, but remember one fact, the Hurricane could never have won the BoB alone, whereas the Spitfire could have..... Horses for courses....
Poland had ordered some Hurricane I’s. The first from RAF stocks had the 2 bladed propeller. It was to arrive September 1, 1939 at Gydnia. What happened to it is unknown.
One aircraft, L2048, was shipped "in advance" to Poland in July 1939. Presumably that's the aircraft you mean. Further batches of Mk 1s were earmarked by Hawker for the Polish contract, but Poland had collapsed before they were completed. The RAF did not at that time see any use in aircraft with instruments in Polish, so Hawker sold them to Gloster (of Gladiator fame) who converted them, and on sold them to Finland (at that stage, at war with the USSR) in 1940. Next year, Hawker was supplying Hurricanes to the Soviet air force 😊
@@mikebenson1907 Yes, that is the one, the tail number sticks in my mind. As one that builds model kits, I made a Hurricane up in 1/72,scale to resemble it, there was good reference to the camouflage of that period and I replaced the propeller with a 2 bladed type with an appropriate spinner. As it would be a test aircraft, I painted the rudder white, this is what the Poles did on prototype aircraft, and made the assumption that the first aircraft would undergo testing. The Poles had also ordered MS 406 aircraft from France that were supposed to be shipped through Romania but the war ended that shipment as well.
He was famously stationed in Germany before the war started, and he had many symbols on his car,,but make no mistake, Eric Brown was a staunch anti Nazi patriot, and quite possibly also a spy for his government. Nothing to read into it really.
A problem for fliers in the Falklands Campaign was that the hidden costs for padding politicians pockets was never revealed. Fighting victims always fail to realise that it is cheaper to let some types of people get killed if they are doing the jobs that politicians fail at. In fact if you want to know how things are going in a war all you need to do is look in the pockets of the ppp and if you can, work out from what they have to say about themselves: Who is getting what.
the Eric Brown section wrongly says that the speed of sound reduces with height, but it is the reduction in ambient temperature that is respossible . The speed of sound is variable by temperarure...look it up
The Mossie was faster, had more firepower ,much longer range and could fly higher than any hurricane or spitfire in fighter format. Does anyone know why the British did not utilize the Mossie to go after the German bombers instead of the Hurricanes. They could have harassed the bombers all the way home and out ran the 109 fighters and F.W. back to the relative safety of England as long as their timimg was right. They could have lost the navigator and been a lighter aircraft. For that matter why wasnt the Mossie used to excort the heavy bombers to their target Until The dedicated fighters for such a mission were available ? The logistics would have been decently easy. The Mossie could have set at 30,000 ft. Or higher at the coast Waiting for the German bombers to dive on them over the channel. Just wondering....
@@fenman1954 over 7,800 were produced 1942-1945. Merlin engines from Rolls-Royse and Packard were used. The same engines as for P51 Mustangs, Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters.
@@stairgauge Mosquitos were used as night fighters and pathfinders supporting the bomber raids as well as for precision attacks , both night and day. Total production 1942-5 was about 7,800.
We do have some redeeming qualities, especially in select individuals, but in the general sense, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I guess that somewhere in our evolutionary past, our aggressive and hostile nature had survival value and we are evolving to modern times too slowly. When I consider the horrors of ww1 and ww2, not to mention all the smaller wars, I am dismayed.
Sure y'all mentioned American pilots but conveniently forgot about Poles and Czechs (and about a Czech who considered himself a Pole). I see Brits still need to come to bear with the fact other people saved their hind quarters 😂😂😂
Firstly, don't judge what millions of people think on the basis of a single script-writer. Secondly, yes, Poles and Czechs (and others) contributed enormously but when it comes to the Battle Of Britain the overwhelming majority of pilots were British. Without Polish and Czech contributions the British would have still won. Without British pilots the Poles and Czechs would not have won. Numbers count. As did radar, observation and the control of resources. These things mattered much more than where the pilots were born. By all means appreciate the contributions but not at the cost of ignoring the facts.
@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 without Poles Czechs and others Brits would get overrun and invaded. Inability to achieve the air superiority needed for landing operation was the main reason it got postponed.
Not at all. It was elliptical but not exclusively German. Also, the Spitfire's wing was designed by Canadian engineer, Beverly Shenstone. That's a man by the way. Beverly used to be a dual sex name.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935however it is accurate. Leigh-Mallory was eventually shunted sideways to a post in SE Asia, though much to the dismay of the Japanese airforce his plane crashed in the alps killing all on board on his way out there.
@ Leigh-Mallory was an incompetent with good political connections who ruined the careers of far better officers to gain his own advancement. In doing so he did more for the Luftwaffe than most of their own officers. His “big wing” in the Battle of Britain was a tactical disaster that left 11 group air fields open to attack from the Luftwaffe and caused significant needless operational damage. This fortunately didn’t lose the battle but only because both Park and Dowding were far better commanders than he was. The kill claims for the big wing would have been exaggerated even if his pilots weren’t the worst bunch of lying braggarts in the RAF, which unfortunately they were, and he didn’t give a damn because their fictional claims looked good in intel reports. Worse still he got Dowding sacked in October 1940 and had Park shifted sideways in order to get control of Fighter command. Once he had gained control he used his power to deny Park the fighters he needed to defend Malta, prevented Spitfires being sent to North Africa or to Singapore. Part of the reason that Prince of Wales and Repulse were lost in December 41 was that Leigh-Mallory kept the aircraft, personnel and support that would have protected them in the UK. What did he do with his hoarded equipment and pilots? He pissed them away in a pointless fighter sweeps over France in 1941, in exactly the same losing battle the commanders of the Luftwaffe had fought over Britain in 1940. A battle he thought he was winning because he believed the cr@p his pilots were spouting rather than the numbers Bletchley Park were giving him. The best decision he ever made for the RAF was to order a transport pilot to takeoff in atrocious weather for a flight over the Alps. A decision that makes his brother’s choice of Irving to accompany him on an Everest summit push look good.
@@beeleo I know. If people are going to complain about the music, at least they should know what they're talking about. And pick a video that actually has background music. Geez.
Sorry, I dozed off during the Hurricane doc, and woke up to the interview of the old dude. I keep hearing the narrator refer to this person as being Mr. "Brown", but is this actually fucking Eric "Winkle" Brown that's being interviewed here? I have an old beat to shit copy of his book, but the picture of him on it looks to be 50 years younger than this man is here, and is thus useless to me for purposes of identification. Can anyone tell me, please, whether or not the subject of the interview taking up the latter portion of this upload is actually THE Eric "Winkle" Brown? Thanks, fellow WWII airplane nerds.
Yes, the would be Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown, probably the best test pilot that ever lived. For the record, we have an entire playlist with his interview, and that includes long lost ones as well.
@Dronescapes that's awesome. I've had his book for so long and he's been such a storied individual in my group of plane nerds, that I haven't seen this until now feels like a huge oversight. But, I'm from a time before we had things like RUclips, and the only interviews I could see were what the library had to show and what they'd play on Discovery Wings or History Channel. This is cool stuff. Thanks, Dronescapes.
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Not just one of history's greatest aviators, but that inimitable British attitude and spirit. Just a joy to listen to how he presents himself and the work he performed.
I never tire of Cpt. Eric Brown's stories. Amazing man, hero, legend, badass! I'm so glad this history is preserved so well in interviews with him.
the future of mankind?? yes, because without the Brits the axies would have won!!! the British were only a side note, US/RUS did the job
The Hawker Hurricane, like the American F-4F Wildcat, had to do the heaviest lifting against the most experienced and confident enemy pilots. They did a damn fine job too! Thanks for showing the Hurricane some well deserved love. ❤️
I've always been curious about what brand of forklift those guys preferred to use whenever they needed to haul around their massive forged steel balls. Obviously a hand-truck couldn't carry that much weight without folding up like a cheap suit.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Young folks today have no idea/no clue how lucky and blessed they are that the young folks of yesterday were willing and able to make such a supreme sacrifice. If for no other reason than so they wouldn't have to. The can choose to squander their lives feeling sorry for themselves instead of dying...alone...thousands of miles from home...at the age of 18, 19, 20, etc. Semper Fidelis and thanks to your Dad for his service and sacrifice. We ALL owe him and his generation a debt that could NEVER be repaid with any amounts of money.
I always put the Hurricane in the same category as its American counterpart the P-40. Underrated and never appreciated for it's contributions to the war effort.
They made great ground attack planes and were hard to break.
😂😂😂@@bobsakamanos4469
Hurricane can hold its head up high, as it was downing German fighters and bombers long before America even entered the war.
@@PauloPereira-jj4jv They served alongside each other in the Western Desert, without which the Axis could not stop to pause to regroup, the Armour and other ordnance just couldnt move without the Hurricane MkIIs and P40s pounding them into a speedy retreat.
@@bobsakamanos4469 " the Hurricane was 3rd tier and never a competetive front line fighter even in 1940."
I think the Battle of Britain proves otherwise.
A cracking documentary for aviation enthusiasts and war history buffs. Thanks for this fantastic interview and the back up videos.
Eric Brown was a magically gifted pilot and a total legend in aviation history.
Agreed 👍
I'm an American and I say Capt Brown was the BEST pilot of his generation PERIOD, regardless of citizenship.
He fought off Norway and the Bay of Biscay, he was taken off carriers because of his exceptional pilot skills.
Amazing character, massive balls & a real gem.
Capt Brown would be horrified at what the western world has become over recent years. But he reminds us of what we're capable of.
@@andrewstewart9263 Every time I visit my dad's grave, a WW2 vet, I expect to see the ground around him heaved up from all the vets turning over in their graves.
@@bobsakamanos4469He shot down two Focke-Wulf Condors. That qualifies him as a fighter pilot.
My great grandfather flew these aircraft in world war two, with the Royal Air Force 312 (Czechoslovak) Squadron ^^
Thanks to all of the young men and women who sacrificed their lives and their youth for our freedom 😊
Fantastic fighter aircraft which flew with flying colours wherever it was sent.
Fabulous, enjoyed every minute,
Glad you enjoyed it
These types of recollections and interviews are priceless captures of the reality of the situation these people found themselves in. Tom Brokaw's "The Greatest Generation" and the sequel/followup, "The Greatest Generations Speaks" captures the backstories, but interviews like this....the honesty and the clearly vivid and accurate memories...are priceless.
Thankyou for sharing, and all the efforts to interview etc. Most people don't appreciate how much effort his takes.
Clever auld lad thanks! Thanks for you intellect right on the ball etc!
Good video thank you , found it very interesting 👍
A personal favourite. Love it.
Very interesting documentary on the Hawker Hurricane, and Captain Brown's career was fascinating to discover.
enjoyed the hawker and jim brown information
Fascinating, and especially being followed by the Eric Brown story and interview. Thank you, a great way to approach the New Year! (It is 11.23 pm right now here in New Zealand)
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Hurricane can turn a tighter circle than a Spitfire
@bobsakamanos4469 The Gloster Gladiator was the last and a very good biplane fighter
The Gloster Gladiator Mk.2 three bladed propeller was the last British biplane fighter and was very good biplane fighter such as Faith Hope and Charity in Malta (although some say there were six Sea Gladiator three on either side of the island) was the only front line fighter they had to defend the island from the might of Italian air force that was latter joined by Hurricane's and even latter Spitfire's to meet the strength of the German Luftwaffe
The Spitfire mk.1 was overrated, it could not taxi and land very well because of it's narrow based undercarriage and there were more Hurricane's in the Battle of Britain than Spitfire's that could not of won the fight with out the Hurricane that did not only go after the bombers but shoot down many 109's
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes I know that the head of the Luftwaffe ordered the 109's to stay close to the bombers as my father in law was a RAF fighter pilot of the Battle of Britains the Rev. Canon Elwyn Roberts shop died age 79 about 20 years ago and my father was Alsop to in the RAF he was a navigator and met weather officer in bomber command but he join until 1941 and he served in the middle East in Egypt and the far East in India from late 1944 until 1947.
Yes I know that the 109's later flew with the bombers and all MK1 were late fitted with arm plat behind the polit seat and the fabric cover enabled the Hurricane to take gun damaged.
MY father in law the Rev canon Elwyn Roberts who died aged 79 about 20 years ago was a RAF fighter pilot of the Battle of Britain who flew Hurricane's and Spits and Chief Parks only flew in adapted Hurricane. How it was adapted I am not sure maybe it was a Mk1b that had cannon fitted under the wing or a prota type MK 2 with four cannon two in either wing and no machine guns.
My father was also in the RAF in bomber command in Wellington's from 1941 to 1947 and died age 89 ten years ago was a Navigator and met office weather officer who served in Exeter then in the Middle East in Egypt in the North Africa campaign and latter in Far East in India and stayed there after the War until independence in the Met office on the staff of Mountbatten and he has a Burma star medal
This is awesome, in the North África campaigns the British fighter was the Hurricane, this is the first modern attemp of informing web denizens about it. A true war hero.
The Hurricane was a great aircraft! The IIC varient is my favorite!
The Hurricane did far more then the Spitfire when one actually looks into it. Without it things would have been a lot different.
Correct.
@@bobsakamanos4469 yes, the Hurricane was vitally important throughout much of the war, but as a pure fighter it became obsolete as early as 1941. Hurricanes tasked with defending Malta and faced with the new bf109F had a desperately hard time. Some of those Hurricanes were still mark 1s and were little better than death traps for the unfortunate pilots. For too long, the RAF hesitated to deploy spitfires abroad, but eventually Malta told London, either you give us spitfires or we will have to surrender. At last, the RAF commanders listened, and the Royal Navy, assisted twice by the USS Wasp, ferried spitfire Vs to within ferry range of Malta. They turned the tide of the Malta air war under the direction of Sir Keith Park.
Hurricanes soldiered on in the ground attack role in some of the more remote theatres of war, notably Burma, where they operated under the cover of spitfire VIIIs, although the RAF began upgrading Hurricane units in India and Burma to the faster and more powerful P-47 thunderbolt
@@bobsakamanos4469 evidence?
@@bobsakamanos4469 Also the Hurricane was deployed to North Africa, Malta and Burma in large part because of Trafford Leigh-Mallory. He refused to deploy newer Spitfire Mk Vs. to those theatres, at first. He insisted on keeping them in Britain where many were wasted and shot down flying pointless fighter sweeps across German-occupied France.
It was horses for courses, the way that RAF Fighter Command deployed them that made the difference. If the Hurricane had received the development that the Spitfire received along with the RR Merlin engine updates it would have been more of a total contender in overall best fighter of WWII?
Incredible presentation. Thank you very much.
Glad you liked it!
It was an incredible time in history! My generation experienced the aftermath through parents, teachers, etc - war torn and rebuilding the country and their lives while raising families.
Their youth was taken away, and the effects would be with them throughout their lives.
An incredible generation of youngsters - passing on their abilities to make much of little to their children.
Almost everything in play for a fifties child was war related!
@alunjones2185 there was an amazing study of the epigenetic changes experienced by those who lived through the war and how those changes impacted the genetics of their children as well. It showed, for example, that people who were born to parents where one or both had survived a concentration camp were significantly more likely to experience a stress disorder as a result. They think it was an epigenetic thing since the results were the same whether or not that person was subsequently raised by the camp survivor or not. There were more interesting correlations found, but that was the one that really stuck out in my head. I know the same team of researchers also tracked the children of people who lived through the great depression (I don't recall how they controlled for those who experienced the war, but they're smart responsible researchers so I assume they did something) and found there was some sort of correlation with eating habits or metabolism as well. It's too long ago for me to recall off the top of my head what the findings were with any accuracy, but it's definitely worth tracking down and having a look if you're into that sort of thing.
@tommytwotacos8106 Hi Tommy, Thanks for this detailed reply. I've researched this at various times, over the years, and recall work on the children of concentration camp survivors.
I did interview various veterans who'd repressed wartime experiences but would pass on the effects to family members and experience a return of emotions when experiencing a late-life illness.
Good of you to reply!
Alun :)
Eric Brown, truly a GREAT Briton.
He’s kin to James Brown, that’s why he always say “Wildcat is a helluva PLANE!”
Always overlooked because the Spitfire
Very cool in color fly over.
I am incredibly impressed, by the illustrious career of Captain Brown. The expression isn't new, but after practising all the emergency procedures, and having had some of my own harrowing experiences, a pilot still wants to have a little luck.
I had an all jet flying career, starting in 1965 on the Canadian Tutor. All the RCAF pilots in my generation, also got to fly the Canadian T-33, with no nosewheel steering, and the Rolls-Royce Nene 10 engine, which had the same engine acceleration problem as was described by Captain Brown. It was still a great aircraft to fly.
I flew with a lot of the earlier generation of RCAF pilots who flew the Sabre in Germany, and all of them stated, that the Tutor, was the next best thing to the Sabre in terms of performance and handling. I think that the proof that, is that even though it has been retired as the basic training aircraft, it is still being used by the Canadian demonstration team, The Snowbirds.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew guys that were on squadron in Marville, but I had never met Jim MacBain.
@@bobsakamanos4469 I knew Harv May, (Sabre generation), and Bob Stickley, (the RMC course ahead of mine in MJ). My instructor on T-Birds, was Mike Carle (Clunks in Europe).
@@bobsakamanos4469 I haven't seen Bob, since he went to PWA, but was not happy. He rejoined the RCAF, and came back to MJ. (For the fun of it, I looked in my log book, and I did a routine standards check on him in April of 1969.)
@@bobsakamanos4469 No, I didn't know him.
Excellent vid! Thanks. Hawkers were based in Kingston-upon-Thames. There's almost nothing left to celebrate such a history in Kingston other than a few street names and a plaque or two. That's how much pride there is in Hawker's home town and very few people are even aware of it's links to aircraft. Hawker's works sports club is the only remnant, now a YMCA sports center which has a few faded photographs hanging outside the toilets. Meanwhile the factory premises were completely demolished to make way for a soulless cardboard box housing estate. Sad really.
A fighter pilot who flew the Hurricane in WW11 loved it a stated since it fabric covered it could repaired quickly and back in service.
Total respect to Eric Brown
Thats a good comparison & they were both developed around the same time in the mid 30's.
It was the backbone of RAF Fighter Command until 1942 and rhe main fighter of British forces in Africa and Asia to 1945.
@bobsakamanos4469 only after the Battle of Britain in 1940 when replaced in Goup 11 squadrons by Spitfires. It continued as a front line day fighter in north Africa and SE Asia to 1945.
@bobsakamanos4469 the Hurricane, despite being 10% slower than the Me109, achieved 65% of the kills while being 65% of RAF Fighter Command. To get at the Luftwaffe bombers they had to fight their way through fighter screens.. RAF Polish 303 squadron flew Hurricanes in the BoB, with 68% of their kills being Me109s, the rest, Luftwaffe bombers. They switched to Spitfires in mid 1941. You clearly have a limited knowledge of the Hurricane and its effectiveness in 1940, let alone how they continued to be used in large numbers in various rules to 1945.
@@michaelmazowiecki9195don't bother with that bob guy. he is under every hurricane video going on and on about how it was the worst aircraft ever built
The new pilots found them easier for taking off and landing with there wider landing gear than the spitfire . They were also much quicker to rearm than the spit , and could be patched up and back in the air much quicker than a spit , some canvas and glue and back in the air , they also took much more punishment and make it back home than spitfires , some pilots that were given spitfires wanted back onto Hurricanes , they were adapted for low level bombing , mostly in North Africa , they knocked out many German tanks and convoys appearing out of nowhere , overall a brilliant sturdy aircraft .
Hurricane looks so nice in Finnish air force painting...
Hawker Hurricane cost £450.00.
Supermarine Spitfire cost £950.00.
For they money the Hurricane represented amazing value, it's why they were so numerous and a fact that is hardly ever touched on.
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Someone tell the string section to lay off please.
If Sydney Camm had used a thinner wing, it’s highly likely the Spitfire would not have looked so much better.
God Bless Us -
I believe the spitfires dealt with the 109s while the Hurricanes brought hell to the German bombers.
I have seen four bladed propeller Hurricanes and there were number of Mk's (there's even apparently a Mk 12 still flying in Canada)of the Hurricane and I have seen a MK4 with four cannon and rockets or small bombs like the Typhoon when I was in the ATC on a day trip to a former RAF airport I think it was Duxford
Can we have a ten hour compilation next please.
Finally somebody telling it like it really was .
@55:33 “The pilot… taxied out the runway, and, uhm, I watched this thing take off, it did a fairly short flight before it landed very smoothly, and it was in that moment that I decided that my callsign shall be changed to Maverick and I would become the premier panty-chaser and jet-aircraft fighter jock in all of His Majesty’s Great Britain by George, and the next time I went up in my Wildcat I radioed the tower requesting permission to do a right proper flyby, but the tower controller gave me an emphatic “No!” to which I responded: I’m sorry, Hudson old boy, but it’s time to buzz the tower! GOD SAVE THE KING!!”
Yeah, a great aeroplane that did a lot of work, but remember one fact, the Hurricane could never have won the BoB alone, whereas the Spitfire could have..... Horses for courses....
A forgotten Belgian RAF pilot ace, M. Phillipart, with six kills in 4 weeks. flew the Hurricane
Poland had ordered some Hurricane I’s. The first from RAF stocks had the 2 bladed propeller. It was to arrive September 1, 1939 at Gydnia. What happened to it is unknown.
One aircraft, L2048, was shipped "in advance" to Poland in July 1939. Presumably that's the aircraft you mean. Further batches of Mk 1s were earmarked by Hawker for the Polish contract, but Poland had collapsed before they were completed. The RAF did not at that time see any use in aircraft with instruments in Polish, so Hawker sold them to Gloster (of Gladiator fame) who converted them, and on sold them to Finland (at that stage, at war with the USSR) in 1940. Next year, Hawker was supplying Hurricanes to the Soviet air force 😊
@@mikebenson1907 Yes, that is the one, the tail number sticks in my mind. As one that builds model kits, I made a Hurricane up in 1/72,scale to resemble it, there was good reference to the camouflage of that period and I replaced the propeller with a 2 bladed type with an appropriate spinner. As it would be a test aircraft, I painted the rudder white, this is what the Poles did on prototype aircraft, and made the assumption that the first aircraft would undergo testing.
The Poles had also ordered MS 406 aircraft from France that were supposed to be shipped through Romania but the war ended that shipment as well.
Sent to the Balkans?
@@michaelmazowiecki9195 Yugoslavia was the first foreign country to purchase Hawker Hurricanes. They bought 12 Mk I’s in 1937.
At min.52 look at the symbol on the grille of his old car.😊
Talk about eagle eyed. I think the car is a Bugatti but none of the symbols on the grille spark anything special. What was you referring to?
He was famously stationed in Germany before the war started, and he had many symbols on his car,,but make no mistake, Eric Brown was a staunch anti Nazi patriot, and quite possibly also a spy for his government. Nothing to read into it really.
@@martinpowell2416 Nice little svastika right in the middle, and also check out the registration plate.
Avion de linea
They have two chase boats they leave one in the Mediterranean and one FORT LAUDERDALE..
A problem for fliers in the Falklands Campaign was that the hidden costs for padding politicians pockets was never revealed. Fighting victims always fail to realise that it is cheaper to let some types of people get killed if they are doing the jobs that politicians fail at.
In fact if you want to know how things are going in a war all you need to do is look in the pockets of the ppp and if you can, work out from what they have to say about themselves: Who is getting what.
The spitfire was superior to the Hurricane
the Eric Brown section wrongly says that the speed of sound reduces with height, but it is the reduction in ambient temperature that is respossible . The speed of sound is variable by temperarure...look it up
Temperature drops 2degrees Celsius per 1000ft in altitude. So yeah causation
It's a Hurricane not a Hurricain. Its British please pronounce it correctly.
A rose by any other name
why spitfire is 2 times more expensive
We gave the yanks everything because we owed them money (and their existence etc etc )
The Mossie was faster, had more firepower ,much longer range and could fly higher than any hurricane or spitfire in fighter format.
Does anyone know why the British did not utilize the Mossie to go after the German bombers instead of the Hurricanes. They could have harassed the bombers all the way home and out ran the 109 fighters and F.W. back to the relative safety of England as long as their timimg was right.
They could have lost the navigator and been a lighter aircraft.
For that matter why wasnt the Mossie used to excort the heavy bombers to their target
Until The dedicated fighters for such a mission were available ? The logistics would have been decently easy. The Mossie could have set at 30,000 ft. Or higher at the coast
Waiting for the German bombers to dive on them over the channel.
Just wondering....
We get it you love the Mosquito
Mosquitos were not available in the summer of 1940. Only became operational at the end of 1941.
Lack of numbers of air frames and engines ,
@@fenman1954 over 7,800 were produced 1942-1945. Merlin engines from Rolls-Royse and Packard were used. The same engines as for P51 Mustangs, Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters.
@@stairgauge Mosquitos were used as night fighters and pathfinders supporting the bomber raids as well as for precision attacks , both night and day. Total production 1942-5 was about 7,800.
We are a brutal pyschotic doomed species
We do have some redeeming qualities, especially in select individuals, but in the general sense, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. I guess that somewhere in our evolutionary past, our aggressive and hostile nature had survival value and we are evolving to modern times too slowly. When I consider the horrors of ww1 and ww2, not to mention all the smaller wars, I am dismayed.
Sure y'all mentioned American pilots but conveniently forgot about Poles and Czechs (and about a Czech who considered himself a Pole). I see Brits still need to come to bear with the fact other people saved their hind quarters 😂😂😂
Here is the brilliant son of Polish migrants for you. A biography video ruclips.net/video/ghx5-FpXj2g/видео.htmlsi=olNz0IFHQoyvqGZM
As a brit I have the greatest of respect for Checz and Polish pilots, and the crucial role they played in the early years of the war.
And the Indian pilots and troops as well
Firstly, don't judge what millions of people think on the basis of a single script-writer. Secondly, yes, Poles and Czechs (and others) contributed enormously but when it comes to the Battle Of Britain the overwhelming majority of pilots were British. Without Polish and Czech contributions the British would have still won. Without British pilots the Poles and Czechs would not have won. Numbers count. As did radar, observation and the control of resources. These things mattered much more than where the pilots were born. By all means appreciate the contributions but not at the cost of ignoring the facts.
@@littlefluffybushbaby7256 without Poles Czechs and others Brits would get overrun and invaded. Inability to achieve the air superiority needed for landing operation was the main reason it got postponed.
, the spitfire has a German wing🤔
You mean Leigh-Mallory’s 12 Group? That’s a bit strong.
Not at all. It was elliptical but not exclusively German. Also, the Spitfire's wing was designed by Canadian engineer, Beverly Shenstone. That's a man by the way. Beverly used to be a dual sex name.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935however it is accurate. Leigh-Mallory was eventually shunted sideways to a post in SE Asia, though much to the dismay of the Japanese airforce his plane crashed in the alps killing all on board on his way out there.
@ Leigh-Mallory was an incompetent with good political connections who ruined the careers of far better officers to gain his own advancement. In doing so he did more for the Luftwaffe than most of their own officers. His “big wing” in the Battle of Britain was a tactical disaster that left 11 group air fields open to attack from the Luftwaffe and caused significant needless operational damage. This fortunately didn’t lose the battle but only because both Park and Dowding were far better commanders than he was.
The kill claims for the big wing would have been exaggerated even if his pilots weren’t the worst bunch of lying braggarts in the RAF, which unfortunately they were, and he didn’t give a damn because their fictional claims looked good in intel reports.
Worse still he got Dowding sacked in October 1940 and had Park shifted sideways in order to get control of Fighter command. Once he had gained control he used his power to deny Park the fighters he needed to defend Malta, prevented Spitfires being sent to North Africa or to Singapore. Part of the reason that Prince of Wales and Repulse were lost in December 41 was that Leigh-Mallory kept the aircraft, personnel and support that would have protected them in the UK.
What did he do with his hoarded equipment and pilots? He pissed them away in a pointless fighter sweeps over France in 1941, in exactly the same losing battle the commanders of the Luftwaffe had fought over Britain in 1940. A battle he thought he was winning because he believed the cr@p his pilots were spouting rather than the numbers Bletchley Park were giving him.
The best decision he ever made for the RAF was to order a transport pilot to takeoff in atrocious weather for a flight over the Alps. A decision that makes his brother’s choice of Irving to accompany him on an Everest summit push look good.
Modern russia looks exactly like fascist Germany of 1940
And Modern Canada and UK are starting to look like USSR of 1940 apart from Angela Merkel's brown boyfriends everywhere.
Back ground music made to eradiating to watch!!!!!
@@beeleo I know. If people are going to complain about the music, at least they should know what they're talking about. And pick a video that actually has background music. Geez.
Eradiating that’s when get you too close while listening to an x ray machine
It is P not B
Hurri cun. Approximately
Pronounced by british not “ cane”
Sorry, I dozed off during the Hurricane doc, and woke up to the interview of the old dude. I keep hearing the narrator refer to this person as being Mr. "Brown", but is this actually fucking Eric "Winkle" Brown that's being interviewed here? I have an old beat to shit copy of his book, but the picture of him on it looks to be 50 years younger than this man is here, and is thus useless to me for purposes of identification. Can anyone tell me, please, whether or not the subject of the interview taking up the latter portion of this upload is actually THE Eric "Winkle" Brown? Thanks, fellow WWII airplane nerds.
Yes, the would be Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown, probably the best test pilot that ever lived.
For the record, we have an entire playlist with his interview, and that includes long lost ones as well.
@Dronescapes that's awesome. I've had his book for so long and he's been such a storied individual in my group of plane nerds, that I haven't seen this until now feels like a huge oversight. But, I'm from a time before we had things like RUclips, and the only interviews I could see were what the library had to show and what they'd play on Discovery Wings or History Channel. This is cool stuff. Thanks, Dronescapes.
Here is a playlist:
➤ERIC BROWN VIDEOS: dronescapes.video/EricBrown
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