Let's all give Iyo a chance to explain himself before blasting him for his objectively, demonstrably vague takes. Once you hear them out, they're a bit better than you might think.
Saintontas Conspiracy Theories. Is he actually Envi? Is he actually Iyo? A korean version of Mrpokke? Is he bald like Baldtone? Is he the angry version of gigglesmack? Is he missing link the 'me' in Wuwa community? We never know
The moment he listed “Kuro needs to get more directly involved with benefiting their ‘creators’ ” is where I stopped caring. Kuro doesn’t need to do anything. They don’t owe them anything.
>Iyo joins a call >Plays the victim >Glaze himself (He has a background in game design and he's a business manager) >Finally acknowledge that the post was badly written >Still blame other CCs for misunderstanding him
22:04 there is actually a lot of creators till now, it's just not having lots of views like 20k to 40k but they are quality contents like the National geographic Wuwa wildlife segments "Mondo", the great graphics combat showcases by "BleeeGMV" and "Arukika", lore videos of "sydneymar" and "Oofie tv", lots of TOA and HOLO showcases "Wallensteins CH", Funny re-enactment animation skits like "Dgosu" and "Aryun" even "Mockermay" and parody segments, EXE's like "Cartoonson M" and "IminFlame" they exist. its just algorithm or what you search most not related to wuwa that's why it isnt noticeable.
@@Bryanzilla Same! hoping he also add the NPC soon like the guards saluting you, the exercising villains camping, the NPC raids on that lvl 100 streetlight monster, and other interactions especially where to find them on the map so players can find them too like the manta rays area.
add rexlent to the mix, he may seems huge but his numbers aint it and bro only do hologram showcases n guides of new characters, his gameplays r always cinema
@@akward8246 yup! Rexlent is a very good cc introducing guides and gameplays from f2p to maxed accounts perspective in a very enjoyable way. the man is the embodiment of a gamer, fun and chill.
Notes are helping us (viewers) to follow up these long conversations for better understanding. Glad you added it, hope we see more of it (note) in the future!
Have noticed the WuWa community seems normal if anything. Sure people will get defensive if someone bashes on the game without any specific evidence or reason but people are willing to support positive criticism. e.g. This is bad about the game, this is how i reckon you could improve it instead of comments like the game is bad you should uninstall which offer nothing.
Iyos a clown and made himself irrelevent with some of the worst takes imaginable. I guess he figured he could negative edge his way back into relevence but Saint just caro cancelled him right back out.
Calmtontas is the best tontas this was a nice talk explained a lot about Iyo's glue lol More of this please I think talks like this will make the community and the game better.
Hey Iyo bro, we are cool with your thoughts on the game. If you express your point more clearly, it won't become drama but a healthy discussion in the space, so we hope in future you can focus on the point more so we can understand your thought better.
I like this, instead of like being shit to each other, let someone from the community, like saint here, interview to clarify what the other one means, not just iyo as some does have some opinions that does need explanation and clarification
YES this was so good - just as you pointed out that wording matters - you dismantled false/vague assumptions by bringing out the best in the person you are challenging and clearly establishing your reasoning for the things you don't agree with - fruitful discussion for sure Wuwa really does challenge the "tell me who is meta and I'll play that" mentality because, it depends on the enemy, the tech you are playing on, and play style - to the point that even "skill" is still in the experimental phase where players are uncovering new combos and unique teams - but it's also a funky place to be in because the roster just isn't extensive enough yet so I think players/CCs just don't know how to create a digestible metric to cleanly organize characters in a way they are used to - the generic tier lists just don't work
I'm still on the side that Wuwa has done so many good that it's difficult to find any faults to the game. Of course there are a lot that people have suggested to make improvements such as the UI but thats very nitpicky at that point. Eventually, Wuwa might do a whole UI overhaul in the future but my main complaint is that there needs to be more content with substance. Only time will tell what the devs will be making next.
Honestly atm the only things i want is more streamlined craftings, more crafting spots for mats, and more minor and in world events and explorations (i just want more astrite sources)
Agreed. The only faults I have with WuWa are things I expect are already being worked on. Namely having Danjin/Yuanwu/Calcharo having some presence, even if it's just a minor quest, some characters who are less Rover obsessed and a faster way to get Echo xp (even just a little bit would go a long way).
I honestly can't find any actual issues within the game. If anything, it would be the insanely LOW amount of Sealed tubes, the echoes exp potions, that we get ingame, NOT from events. Nearly everything I had issues with Genshin.. was rectified here. I know many people are saying the story is shit but I genuinely dissagree. It was already apparent that the story revolves around Rover and Kuro is telling a story with Rover whereas with Traveler and hell, even the Trailblazer... they're just "there".. along for the ride with the plot and never really centered on them but one and done characters within that world.
To add on the glue point, i forgot the name but there is a cc that has been posts vids about hidden mechamics in wuwa, one was for a for of the bosses. But yea i see ivo's point now that he elaborated a bit
46:43 as much as i hate iyo takes before, but i kinda agree with this, we need more S-tier content or Guides, but iyo should know that compared to hoyo's genshin, hsr and zzz focused on elements, teambuilding and synergies (that gives CC's and payers lots of options to experiment with, especially for CC's and casuals), Kuro scrapped that on CBT 1 by CN request (the elemental reactions and intensive teambuilding that could give players more things to explore with) to prevent their players on elemental preferences, never-ending teambuilding cash-grab fomo and massive gacha addiction BUT this also leads wuwa CC's to not have anything to cover into, like synergies and stuff, the options are less because of this. They have nothing to experiment with since elements and teambuilding are not quite intensive in 1.0 WuWa. So KURO games are finding ways to solve this while prevent copying Hoyo's cash-grab teambuilding strat in the span of 1.0 and they might just have found it and might be introduced in 2.0 (SPOILERS). They just revamped the whole game a few months before launch that's why there are some loose glues as iyo sees, but Kuro did a very great job making this game intact even after revamping 90% of the whole content a few months before its launch being it to be their very first Open-world game and first to be introduced into global at launch compared to pgr who started in CN first before global. And hopefully based from spoilers, 2.0 might introduce new gameplay mechanincs/synergies to improve teambuilding options and interactions, open up the elements side for players and especially CC's to ponder into and experiment with, like introducing DOTS and debuffs synergies and incorporating the echos cc's, buffs and debuffs and elements and stuff BUT wont be the same as hoyo does to prevent cash-grab tactics leaning into elemental typing preferences. Let's just wait what 2.0 has in store for us and let's see.
Of all people there’s no way iyo is complaining about not getting special treatment from the devs 🗿like actually what. I know he’s wrong about everything but bro is so entitled when he doesn’t even play the game
Ngl as much as I despised some of his previous takes and drama, Iyo had some good takes in this convo when he actually elaborated on them. Love seeing these more constructive and chill discussion videos rather than just straight up drama farming
This "Iyo drama" wouldn't even exist if his post wasn't as vague as it is and actually contained the names of the people saying the things they say. Wanting to have an opinion but not wanting to take accountability turns everything into an unnecessary mess.
The one thing you are getting wrong is "Genshin players hate Wuwa". This could not be further from the truth. People that actually play Genshin, still love Wuwa and play both most likely. The ones crying are the big part of the fandom that is toxic and does all the stupid things like downvoting the google apps during anniversaries. Those people cant even clear Abyss most likely, they act like fans and spend their time reading porn but cant even fathom doing 100% exploration after 4+ years. I can assure you that most people that actually are playing Genshin right now and enjoying it to the fullest either dont care at all about Wuwa or love it and play it as well.
Man Iyo should stick with making hoyo game content edit : The only cc I would like in wuwa livestream is rex lent who doesn’t spread misinformation and drama
22:45 The major issues I’ve noticed that has turned away a lot of streamers is a combination of backseating and hardcore viewerbases. Most streamers pick up Wuwa as a casual gacha game to play. And yet most chatters are dedicated to the game, tuning in to new streamers for more Wuwa content. So when casual streamers get bombarded with (mostly genuine) advice about Wuwa, they often leave the community before getting fully invested in the game.
Yup i agree. And also most content creators in the space especially guides are focused on strategy-based setups, synergy-intensive and team-building to make content with and where Wuthering waves is low on this side as mostly it is a skill-based or the players skill that is being tested and casuals and most cc who are not that skilled as a player are discouraged for that. hardcore ones appreciate this in WuWa. while baby games like hoyo games where as long as you have a good team synergy setup, good build, be it bought by money, or lucky, you can clear and brag you cleared the hardest content without needing skills as a gamer but just have good builds and setup. In short, WuWa as of now being not much into team building synergy intensive, not a strategy-based game which have lots of options to mix and match like Hoyo does, doesn't give lots of options for cc's to make content with. even casuals can't clear up to the end of TOA while most casuals can clear MOC up to moc 12 just by mix and match teams and builds. BUT as i see leaks and spoilers of upcoming 2.0, Wuwa might be adapting lots of new gameplay mechanics that will introduce team synergies, DOTS, debuffs, stacks and crowd control coming from Both new echoes and their own innate gameplay interactions. i think this will help yt content creators to make content now that they will start diversifying combat by introducing new mechanics in the game.
This was a great convo, big dawg. Thank you for having me on to converse & resolve a lot of the confusion the vagueness brought on. Moving forward I know there's way more effective ways to leave a positive impression for the message. Excited to see all the stellar CCs that are gonna start popping up now so they get highlighted a lot more in the WuWa space! There's already some lowkey CCs that cook up some fire content.
Typical Iyo. Says some vague shit, then "elaborates" and twists and turns the narrative until he himself seems the victim because everyone "purposely" misunderstands him. And he thinks of himself being so smart but he clearly isn't. He can be an analytical fan as much as he wants, if he can't read the numbers correctly and in addition to that misinterpretes what those numbers mean then it's no wonder he keeps making these bad takes. This guy is such a clown; this isn't the first time he is doing this, won't be the last time, he already had a couple of chances to improve himself - Can't say I will ever give him the benefit of the doubt again, he'll remain the village-idiot forever. Edit: I almost lost it when he said that Monster Hunter is an "almost flawless game". Dude definitely wasn't around for the Iceborn/Claw disaster. Lack of "s-tier"-content.. casual player who can see cool shit. Agree, but we have plenty of that. Wallenstein alone drops a video daily, there's a lot more on reddit where people share their custom combos. This guy has no idea, not at all.
54:45 - I'd be happy having my account reviewed. I've been working on improving my account and managed to clear 30/30 a few weeks ago and again this round. I said with this clear that sweating on this TOA was the most fun I've ever had in a gacha game, and now I'm motivated (insert Alpha meme here) to improve to do it more consistently.
y'all don't understand it because iyo just kara canceled his critique so we the average gacha game player can't see what he was saying and by the time you realize it, he already on his next move. he also have negative edge ready to release all his "glue" on y'all in a release of a touch. 😂
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't take Iyo seriously because of his previous comments on wuthering waves and how he worded them at the time, but after watching this video I love the takes he made and I understand them a lot more clearly. Thank you for adding clarity to this whole situation Saintontas and im sorry for dismissing your constructive criticism Iyo.
To be completely fair, literally today a "normie" posted on the WuWa subreddit asking why the game is considered a "gooning game" and what that means, since he saw that stuff on tiktok. I feel the "normie" are actually totally fine with the game. No one is gonna judge bad because you are playing WuWa. For a normie, would be more like a sort of "final fantasy with full anime graphics" or some stuff like that. Is actually inside the space that is the issue, because of the usual gacha tribalism.
"WuWa is missing "glue" to the system". Then he mentions Monster hunter. Im like master rank 400 in monster hunter world. As much as I love the game, WuWa definitely has enemy/player interactions with their dodge/parry system. "T-rex rushes you". We have crownless that does that whole rush like malenia from elden ring. Alot of bosses still 1-2 shot me in TOA and in harder content. If you get grabbed from aix or other bosses, its instant kill depending on the animation and your hp. We can definitely control the back and forth with parries and dodges, intro/outro. "it feels like more a soulsborne that wuthering waves should be". Bruh I play longsword and parry all the bosses all the time in MHW. Also saying Monster Hunter has no flaws is insane already. I love that game too but its not perfect. It can definitely be slower gameplay if you arent use to it and harder to adjust too depending on your weapon build. I play heavy gunner, bow, but I main longsword religously. Longsword is notortious for dodge parries. sick as hell. I think wuwa does it great with a few simple mechanics like dodge and parry. Would I love more? Yes I would. Im a hardcore gamer Id like to think. I love playing sekiro, lies of p, bloodborne, elden ring, monster hunter, remnant 2, (I enjoy games with fun mechanics). Even then writing this out, Saintontas already mentioned crownless and other few points to iyo. No game is perfect and critzisim is good. Wuthering waves may feel more soulsborne, but soulsborne in itself is not a set in stone type of feeling. I think wuthering waves is just wuthering waves. Its made its own identity far enough from others. Cuz many games have dodges and parries. its most similar to genshin impact actually. Idk, i wrote alot but whatever. My critques for wuwa, echo load outs for sure but that falls under quality of life. Hopefully they implement dream link everywhere or not. I would love some more asterites though. I get way more gems and pulls in epic seven ngl than wuwa. Granted they do need to make money, so cant fault them there. Maybe my luck is just bad, cuz ive gone full pity for every character and sword. Side note: I just think its cute that saintontas is taking notes while talking with iyo. Very professional. I like it. Edit: end game content for wuwa is toa and illusive realm. tbh it can be boring. Most of the time you are just slogging through it. you can practically play blindfold. I think iyo mentions monster hunter, because every game you hop into monster hunter will require you to think and its fun fighting the bosses. However, if that was the case, we might as well wait for a gacha monster hunter game to come out. Wuwa was not designed for that monster hunter feel. I enjoyed MHW, but after I got my final gear. It was over. Both are very different games is what im trying to say. wuwa is a live service game. edit 2: i agree with iyo, wuwa should add a training mode. We do however have tutorials on the bottom right for every character but we do need dummies in the open world or a training mode where you can test out damage output with your builds. edit 3: I agree with iyo's take on influencer bit. WuWa should showcase certain videos from creators who did an amazing video. But making general content for wuwa is kinda tough. Theres not much to say. You just go in do your dailies, do toa, illusive realm, collect your dailies and log out. The only thing I watch are reactions and trying to relive the honey moon phase through other people which in itself is kinda sad already. Guides arent really needed if you have pwyrden to do everything for you. Sidneymar makes great lore videos, but theres only so much lore that you can uncover and be like "WOW LOOK AT THIS, Rover is actually a god". It really does seem like iyo doesn't even play wuwa that much if basic points he is mentioning can be counteracted immediately by playing the game or following wuwa.
So if anyone brings up the issue it's just dismissed as "race card"? Why not just be honest and say some of y'all wanna be racist without anyone reminding you how shitty and irrationally hateful it is? Iyo has his issues but to use him as an excuse to be racist towards those of us who have been good positive members of the community is absolute dog sh*t. Racism towards us is an issue in this space ask any black person in this space, we've pretty much all experienced it, even if we keep our opinions quiet it doesn't matter people will look for reasons to excuse racist behavior. Iyo definitely picked a bad time to bring it up but let's not pretend the issue is non-existent.
I'm going to say this but in my opinion, Iyo being vague deliberately is an attempt to farm twitter engagement and drama, a lazy one at that. If he had any kind of genuine critique for the game he should have made a full scripted video, perhaps in collaboration with the people he claimed to have discussed these issues with, instead we get one rage-baiting tweet and more drama. Iyo has gotten addicted to clout he gets from going viral with bad takes to the point that he's forgoing his actual channel and content in favor of divisive twitter posts. He said Wuthering waves needs more S-tier content besides guides and reacts, he just gave up the opportunity to make one such vide in exchange for twitter notoreity. Disappointing, and now his laise fair attitude towards this whole affair is going to make it even harder to take his actual good takes seriously.
I have a lot of respect for Saint for taking criticisms of some of his behavior to heart and improving his delivery on stuff while not sacrificing holding people to account when they're clearly Bs'ing. Credit where due, because I was also not a fan of some of the hostility in the past, even though it was true that Vars's video was dogshit and Smack's TOA critique was easy to dismantle and had no alternatives, Saint's delivery was going to be off-putting for many people. Really solid interview with Iyo, really solid rebuttals when he tried to deflect, and especially when he tried to play the race card which is one his classic moves anytime he gets genuine criticism on one of his many shit takes. I'm sure there are racist dms, but dude you're a public figure, get over it. People who aren't public figures deal with that on X, X has so many people with anon accounts who say whatever. I'm a minority too, just block and move on with your life, it makes you look goddamn pathetic. I despise Iyo, he's an idiot who think's he's smart, wants special treatment from Devs while not actually deserving it, (I think creator servers to get stuff early isn't good for any game, but more of a CC issue than one for us players), uses gatcha-story tier useless jargon when he could just speak like a normal person, is extremely vague when he could be specific and a myriad of other stuff including never being to admit his own faults. Insufferable. And yet Saint managed to actually both gently criticize his tweet and his attempt to play the race card, while also bringing out the best of him. And he took the suggestion Iyo made literally the next day to review some smaller wuwa content creators and react to them. 10/10 video
Im rly happy u showed up at Teccys vids. Im just on YT and im rly happy to just find well spoken people like you and Asmon who just yap and call people out on their bullshit. We need more of you people man, im like that as well. Im just listening to YT the whole day at work as i work alone so im just happy to find anyone who makes long af vids just yapping 😂 Dude dont let anyone tell you to calm tf down. We leave the snowflakes behind in 2023. People need to grow a backbone and be able take heat when putting out trash. Keep calling bullshitters out man fucking love it. I dont enjoy Brax or his vids solely for the reason that i dont like generic shit or people who try to be everyones friend. Which is why i mostly listen to Asmon. Earned my sub bro, this channel is heavily underrated atm. You will grow big im pretty sure. Maybe do some random reacting vids every now and then to not solely rely on WuWa? Just a suggestion. Keep at it bro!
I think he just doesn't have strong interpersonal skills. Most people know by now that it's a really hard skill to condense something and it still retain the message, if you're constantly being misunderstood, it's not your skill, and that's fine! Adapt to your skills and own up to your mistakes without trying to push them onto others, you're the key denominator in all your misunderstandings.
25:02 - Yes, criticism should be scrutinized, and we should see where it comes from, but there are 2 sides to that coin. 1 - How are things factually, and does a critique line up with the facts 2 - Why does someone experience XYZ a certain way I would argue that for someone looking for possible improvements in their experience of anything, number 2 is arguably more important to explore, especially from casuals and especially if you want the games audience to grow. Case-in-point if Wuwa's story and/or storytelling feels horrible for a significant number of people, we all say: "okey but you didn't even finish the 1.0 arc and it gets significantly better afterwards so you are WRONG, nobody cares about your existence", we take an exclusionary and elitist angle which generally isn't good for growth. We might also say: "If a significant number of people doesn't get past the 1.0 story arc because they dislike it... the 1.0 story is hurting the game's potential, and therefore needs a significant overhaul to get everyone invested like we are." We don't have to defend EVERYTHING with pitchforks and torches, even if we're right.
were there any points made i don't feel like listening to gaslighting conversation go on like the live stream. So is there gonna be a commenting god that will explain in short points? May the glue forever hold WuWa together
29:44 iyos monster hunter point is very valid. Tigrex (which does sound like T-Rex🤣and looks like one too) his spin attack is gnarly but if you cut his tail off it has less range so you’re incentivised to target a specific spot and if you do theres a direct correlation to what you choose to prioritise and if it can benefit you and it’s all on you cos you can choose to ignore it (the mechanic of shortening its tail) and suffer the consequences, but you can ALSO spec into more I-frames OR a longer dodge range(or both) to mitigate it if you don’t have a sharp weapon OR if you play long sword and don’t wanna cut its tail off just full counter like youre meliodas. You could also run lance/gun lance and just block like you’re asmongold in shadow of the erd tree🤣🤣
He already did in Tectone stream. He said his 2 recent videos do not have anything in it at all. It's just slop content to push RUclips as Content Creators. So yes Saintone is correct about being a slop content... Gacha Smack said it too that if he asks anyone to think for him? That's a bad sign that it's just a sloppy video where he had no idea what he was talking about lol So yes Gacha Smack would kinda instantly lost.
@@amrradwan1055 Yes watch Tectone live vods or MrPokke vods. He clarify that if he ask people for the solution it means he had no idea at all. Since the normal Gacha Smack will always give solution.
There we go, iam liking Iyo's take now, like please if anyone is gonna give critict, please give reason why i take back when i said iyo means sniffing glue Also Saint reacting to other means of content is a good idea to promote other things than leaks, hate leaks
After the last Iyo video where he talked about having a big ego and pulled a enviosity I thought he would lay off these types of videos and tweets but if he’s still making horrendous takes 🤣 Also in his “I’m the only mf who should be getting praised” video” didn’t he say he wasn’t making wuwa content anymore bc the game and community are bad 💀💀
Of course, there is no content like gameplay and guides for the game, because the game itself has no gameplay. Dead patches for 50 days without content, even the events are the same reruns. The toxic community can only endlessly throw mud at everyone, and this reviewer and main defender of WW is the leader of these toxic people, so on his channel there are only reactions where he tries to defend the game as if his life depends on it.
they are just cannot leave genshin coz they already spend some or alot of money to thier account and some of them doesn't have enaugh time to play another open world gacha game. so yeah we have a situation like this when i just make a comment "skip button" in one of genshin video, alot comment and alot of dislike wil pouring up
Let's all give Iyo a chance to explain himself before blasting him for his objectively, demonstrably vague takes.
Once you hear them out, they're a bit better than you might think.
Did He negative edge into your psyche and force this phrase out? lol
@@callumholland8932 he gonna kara cancel saintontas
saintontas was actually iyo this entire time 😱😱😱
Saintontas Conspiracy Theories.
Is he actually Envi?
Is he actually Iyo?
A korean version of Mrpokke?
Is he bald like Baldtone?
Is he the angry version of gigglesmack?
Is he missing link the 'me' in Wuwa community?
We never know
Bro you sounds so much better after you tone down your aggressiveness. Keep this up man! I actually listened to the whole talk with Iyo.
The moment he listed “Kuro needs to get more directly involved with benefiting their ‘creators’ ” is where I stopped caring.
Kuro doesn’t need to do anything. They don’t owe them anything.
Bro is still salty that they don't have a cc early access server
This words was true if it was spoken by Blanc or any CCs that come from PGR, not for the fucking Tourist
It's the same guy that b*tched abt the game not giving free pulls during WuWa's final CBT, THE only guy to make it worst
Kuro please kick him from CC Sponsorship. He will only bring tixic negativity
Kuro please kick him from CC Sponsorship. He will only bring toxic negativity
>Iyo joins a call
>Plays the victim
>Glaze himself (He has a background in game design and he's a business manager)
>Finally acknowledge that the post was badly written
>Still blame other CCs for misunderstanding him
classic iyo deflecting everything 😂
thank you, you saved me 1h 37m, it went as expected 😂
does he use fgc term like brainrot slang?
@@_kazz2926 whats fgc?
Perfectly summed up
22:04 there is actually a lot of creators till now, it's just not having lots of views like 20k to 40k but they are quality contents like the National geographic Wuwa wildlife segments "Mondo", the great graphics combat showcases by "BleeeGMV" and "Arukika", lore videos of "sydneymar" and "Oofie tv", lots of TOA and HOLO showcases "Wallensteins CH", Funny re-enactment animation skits like "Dgosu" and "Aryun" even "Mockermay" and parody segments, EXE's like "Cartoonson M" and "IminFlame" they exist. its just algorithm or what you search most not related to wuwa that's why it isnt noticeable.
I love mondo's documentary!!
@@Bryanzilla Same! hoping he also add the NPC soon like the guards saluting you, the exercising villains camping, the NPC raids on that lvl 100 streetlight monster, and other interactions especially where to find them on the map so players can find them too like the manta rays area.
add rexlent to the mix, he may seems huge but his numbers aint it
and bro only do hologram showcases n guides of new characters, his gameplays r always cinema
@@akward8246 yup! Rexlent is a very good cc introducing guides and gameplays from f2p to maxed accounts perspective in a very enjoyable way. the man is the embodiment of a gamer, fun and chill.
Exactly, real wuwa ccs getting slept on
Notes are helping us (viewers) to follow up these long conversations for better understanding. Glad you added it, hope we see more of it (note) in the future!
Have noticed the WuWa community seems normal if anything. Sure people will get defensive if someone bashes on the game without any specific evidence or reason but people are willing to support positive criticism. e.g. This is bad about the game, this is how i reckon you could improve it instead of comments like the game is bad you should uninstall which offer nothing.
It is, you know they're talking shit when they're bringing up misinformations as the example of their "criticisms".
Iyos a clown and made himself irrelevent with some of the worst takes imaginable. I guess he figured he could negative edge his way back into relevence but Saint just caro cancelled him right back out.
You should go outside regardless
Iyo really went ahead and tweeted a whole bunch of "Riddle me this!" 😆😆
Calmtontas is the best tontas this was a nice talk explained a lot about Iyo's glue lol
More of this please I think talks like this will make the community and the game better.
Yup. Angrytontas can be kinda hard to listen to. +1 for Calmtontas.
Still prefer the spicytontas, the calm one is boring af
bro just can't help destroying people with facts even when they're trying to do damage control
Saintontas holding all WuWa CCs and critiques to account and I'm here for it.
Hey Iyo bro, we are cool with your thoughts on the game. If you express your point more clearly, it won't become drama but a healthy discussion in the space, so we hope in future you can focus on the point more so we can understand your thought better.
I like this, instead of like being shit to each other, let someone from the community, like saint here, interview to clarify what the other one means, not just iyo as some does have some opinions that does need explanation and clarification
We dont need iyo anymore we already have a him and thats Diktontas
YES this was so good - just as you pointed out that wording matters - you dismantled false/vague assumptions by bringing out the best in the person you are challenging and clearly establishing your reasoning for the things you don't agree with - fruitful discussion for sure
Wuwa really does challenge the "tell me who is meta and I'll play that" mentality because, it depends on the enemy, the tech you are playing on, and play style - to the point that even "skill" is still in the experimental phase where players are uncovering new combos and unique teams - but it's also a funky place to be in because the roster just isn't extensive enough yet so I think players/CCs just don't know how to create a digestible metric to cleanly organize characters in a way they are used to - the generic tier lists just don't work
“Kuro needs to get more directly involved with their cc’s” bro.. KURO DONT OWE YOU SHIT, I’m so tired of these CC’s wanting some sort of exclusivity…
I'm still on the side that Wuwa has done so many good that it's difficult to find any faults to the game. Of course there are a lot that people have suggested to make improvements such as the UI but thats very nitpicky at that point.
Eventually, Wuwa might do a whole UI overhaul in the future but my main complaint is that there needs to be more content with substance. Only time will tell what the devs will be making next.
From the leaks we are getting about 18 events for 2.0
Honestly atm the only things i want is more streamlined craftings, more crafting spots for mats, and more minor and in world events and explorations (i just want more astrite sources)
@@Shhh_94 dayum💀
Agreed. The only faults I have with WuWa are things I expect are already being worked on. Namely having Danjin/Yuanwu/Calcharo having some presence, even if it's just a minor quest, some characters who are less Rover obsessed and a faster way to get Echo xp (even just a little bit would go a long way).
I honestly can't find any actual issues within the game. If anything, it would be the insanely LOW amount of Sealed tubes, the echoes exp potions, that we get ingame, NOT from events. Nearly everything I had issues with Genshin.. was rectified here. I know many people are saying the story is shit but I genuinely dissagree. It was already apparent that the story revolves around Rover and Kuro is telling a story with Rover whereas with Traveler and hell, even the Trailblazer... they're just "there".. along for the ride with the plot and never really centered on them but one and done characters within that world.
IYO PLEASE I NEED SOME GLUE TO NEGATIVE EDGE MY LIFE AND KARA CANCEL MY BAD THOUGHTS 😭
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Bro😭😂
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All Shadow Monarch Assemble
9:45 "to defend yourself in bed when it blew up" 😂😂
i dont know why iyo has such a big ego when he removes comments for making jokes about games "needing glue" lol
To add on the glue point, i forgot the name but there is a cc that has been posts vids about hidden mechamics in wuwa, one was for a for of the bosses. But yea i see ivo's point now that he elaborated a bit
46:43 as much as i hate iyo takes before, but i kinda agree with this, we need more S-tier content or Guides, but iyo should know that compared to hoyo's genshin, hsr and zzz focused on elements, teambuilding and synergies (that gives CC's and payers lots of options to experiment with, especially for CC's and casuals), Kuro scrapped that on CBT 1 by CN request (the elemental reactions and intensive teambuilding that could give players more things to explore with) to prevent their players on elemental preferences, never-ending teambuilding cash-grab fomo and massive gacha addiction BUT this also leads wuwa CC's to not have anything to cover into, like synergies and stuff, the options are less because of this.
They have nothing to experiment with since elements and teambuilding are not quite intensive in 1.0 WuWa. So KURO games are finding ways to solve this while prevent copying Hoyo's cash-grab teambuilding strat in the span of 1.0 and they might just have found it and might be introduced in 2.0 (SPOILERS).
They just revamped the whole game a few months before launch that's why there are some loose glues as iyo sees, but Kuro did a very great job making this game intact even after revamping 90% of the whole content a few months before its launch being it to be their very first Open-world game and first to be introduced into global at launch compared to pgr who started in CN first before global.
And hopefully based from spoilers, 2.0 might introduce new gameplay mechanincs/synergies to improve teambuilding options and interactions, open up the elements side for players and especially CC's to ponder into and experiment with, like introducing DOTS and debuffs synergies and incorporating the echos cc's, buffs and debuffs and elements and stuff BUT wont be the same as hoyo does to prevent cash-grab tactics leaning into elemental typing preferences.
Let's just wait what 2.0 has in store for us and let's see.
Of all people there’s no way iyo is complaining about not getting special treatment from the devs 🗿like actually what. I know he’s wrong about everything but bro is so entitled when he doesn’t even play the game
That's why I can't listen to any criticism from iyo when he doesn't play the game. GTFO
blud returned and choose to negative edge so hard
Great convo, hope to see more healthy content like this being pushed and hopefully play my part eventually as well when life allows :D
Ngl as much as I despised some of his previous takes and drama, Iyo had some good takes in this convo when he actually elaborated on them. Love seeing these more constructive and chill discussion videos rather than just straight up drama farming
This "Iyo drama" wouldn't even exist if his post wasn't as vague as it is and actually contained the names of the people saying the things they say. Wanting to have an opinion but not wanting to take accountability turns everything into an unnecessary mess.
DOMAIN EXPANSION: ABSOLUTE NOTES
You are the son Tectone most proud of
The one thing you are getting wrong is "Genshin players hate Wuwa". This could not be further from the truth. People that actually play Genshin, still love Wuwa and play both most likely. The ones crying are the big part of the fandom that is toxic and does all the stupid things like downvoting the google apps during anniversaries. Those people cant even clear Abyss most likely, they act like fans and spend their time reading porn but cant even fathom doing 100% exploration after 4+ years. I can assure you that most people that actually are playing Genshin right now and enjoying it to the fullest either dont care at all about Wuwa or love it and play it as well.
We fixed the GLUE and make WuWa has HIM again! Yay!
Man Iyo should stick with making hoyo game content
edit : The only cc I would like in wuwa livestream is rex lent who doesn’t spread misinformation and drama
nice talk, i like this atmosphere...hope u continue on this path saint
22:45 The major issues I’ve noticed that has turned away a lot of streamers is a combination of backseating and hardcore viewerbases. Most streamers pick up Wuwa as a casual gacha game to play. And yet most chatters are dedicated to the game, tuning in to new streamers for more Wuwa content. So when casual streamers get bombarded with (mostly genuine) advice about Wuwa, they often leave the community before getting fully invested in the game.
Yup i agree. And also most content creators in the space especially guides are focused on strategy-based setups, synergy-intensive and team-building to make content with and where Wuthering waves is low on this side as mostly it is a skill-based or the players skill that is being tested and casuals and most cc who are not that skilled as a player are discouraged for that. hardcore ones appreciate this in WuWa.
while baby games like hoyo games where as long as you have a good team synergy setup, good build, be it bought by money, or lucky, you can clear and brag you cleared the hardest content without needing skills as a gamer but just have good builds and setup.
In short, WuWa as of now being not much into team building synergy intensive, not a strategy-based game which have lots of options to mix and match like Hoyo does, doesn't give lots of options for cc's to make content with. even casuals can't clear up to the end of TOA while most casuals can clear MOC up to moc 12 just by mix and match teams and builds.
BUT as i see leaks and spoilers of upcoming 2.0, Wuwa might be adapting lots of new gameplay mechanics that will introduce team synergies, DOTS, debuffs, stacks and crowd control coming from Both new echoes and their own innate gameplay interactions.
i think this will help yt content creators to make content now that they will start diversifying combat by introducing new mechanics in the game.
im not watching an hour and 30 minutes just to potentially find out iyo is 1% less crazy than we thought
Halfway through and this is a brilliant discussion
This was a great convo, big dawg. Thank you for having me on to converse & resolve a lot of the confusion the vagueness brought on. Moving forward I know there's way more effective ways to leave a positive impression for the message. Excited to see all the stellar CCs that are gonna start popping up now so they get highlighted a lot more in the WuWa space! There's already some lowkey CCs that cook up some fire content.
excited not to have an iyo in this community
This video really changed my perspective on Iyo. Gotta give people the chance to elaborate. Negative edge is still hilarious tho ngl.
Typical Iyo.
Says some vague shit, then "elaborates" and twists and turns the narrative until he himself seems the victim because everyone "purposely" misunderstands him.
And he thinks of himself being so smart but he clearly isn't.
He can be an analytical fan as much as he wants, if he can't read the numbers correctly and in addition to that misinterpretes what those numbers mean then it's no wonder he keeps making these bad takes.
This guy is such a clown; this isn't the first time he is doing this, won't be the last time, he already had a couple of chances to improve himself - Can't say I will ever give him the benefit of the doubt again, he'll remain the village-idiot forever.
Edit:
I almost lost it when he said that Monster Hunter is an "almost flawless game".
Dude definitely wasn't around for the Iceborn/Claw disaster.
Lack of "s-tier"-content.. casual player who can see cool shit. Agree, but we have plenty of that. Wallenstein alone drops a video daily, there's a lot more on reddit where people share their custom combos.
This guy has no idea, not at all.
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54:45 - I'd be happy having my account reviewed. I've been working on improving my account and managed to clear 30/30 a few weeks ago and again this round. I said with this clear that sweating on this TOA was the most fun I've ever had in a gacha game, and now I'm motivated (insert Alpha meme here) to improve to do it more consistently.
i think the "glue" thing theyre talking about is basically just having good enemy design and i dont think WuWa is lacking there really.
y'all don't understand it because iyo just kara canceled his critique so we the average gacha game player can't see what he was saying and by the time you realize it, he already on his next move. he also have negative edge ready to release all his "glue" on y'all in a release of a touch. 😂
We have a him now lol, also the glue
I'm gonna be honest, I didn't take Iyo seriously because of his previous comments on wuthering waves and how he worded them at the time, but after watching this video I love the takes he made and I understand them a lot more clearly. Thank you for adding clarity to this whole situation Saintontas and im sorry for dismissing your constructive criticism Iyo.
I need more Calmtontas content
To be completely fair, literally today a "normie" posted on the WuWa subreddit asking why the game is considered a "gooning game" and what that means, since he saw that stuff on tiktok. I feel the "normie" are actually totally fine with the game. No one is gonna judge bad because you are playing WuWa. For a normie, would be more like a sort of "final fantasy with full anime graphics" or some stuff like that. Is actually inside the space that is the issue, because of the usual gacha tribalism.
"WuWa is missing "glue" to the system". Then he mentions Monster hunter. Im like master rank 400 in monster hunter world. As much as I love the game, WuWa definitely has enemy/player interactions with their dodge/parry system. "T-rex rushes you". We have crownless that does that whole rush like malenia from elden ring. Alot of bosses still 1-2 shot me in TOA and in harder content. If you get grabbed from aix or other bosses, its instant kill depending on the animation and your hp. We can definitely control the back and forth with parries and dodges, intro/outro.
"it feels like more a soulsborne that wuthering waves should be". Bruh I play longsword and parry all the bosses all the time in MHW. Also saying Monster Hunter has no flaws is insane already. I love that game too but its not perfect. It can definitely be slower gameplay if you arent use to it and harder to adjust too depending on your weapon build. I play heavy gunner, bow, but I main longsword religously. Longsword is notortious for dodge parries. sick as hell. I think wuwa does it great with a few simple mechanics like dodge and parry. Would I love more? Yes I would. Im a hardcore gamer Id like to think. I love playing sekiro, lies of p, bloodborne, elden ring, monster hunter, remnant 2, (I enjoy games with fun mechanics). Even then writing this out, Saintontas already mentioned crownless and other few points to iyo. No game is perfect and critzisim is good. Wuthering waves may feel more soulsborne, but soulsborne in itself is not a set in stone type of feeling. I think wuthering waves is just wuthering waves. Its made its own identity far enough from others. Cuz many games have dodges and parries. its most similar to genshin impact actually.
Idk, i wrote alot but whatever. My critques for wuwa, echo load outs for sure but that falls under quality of life. Hopefully they implement dream link everywhere or not. I would love some more asterites though. I get way more gems and pulls in epic seven ngl than wuwa. Granted they do need to make money, so cant fault them there. Maybe my luck is just bad, cuz ive gone full pity for every character and sword.
Side note: I just think its cute that saintontas is taking notes while talking with iyo. Very professional. I like it.
Edit: end game content for wuwa is toa and illusive realm. tbh it can be boring. Most of the time you are just slogging through it. you can practically play blindfold. I think iyo mentions monster hunter, because every game you hop into monster hunter will require you to think and its fun fighting the bosses. However, if that was the case, we might as well wait for a gacha monster hunter game to come out. Wuwa was not designed for that monster hunter feel. I enjoyed MHW, but after I got my final gear. It was over. Both are very different games is what im trying to say. wuwa is a live service game.
edit 2: i agree with iyo, wuwa should add a training mode. We do however have tutorials on the bottom right for every character but we do need dummies in the open world or a training mode where you can test out damage output with your builds.
edit 3: I agree with iyo's take on influencer bit. WuWa should showcase certain videos from creators who did an amazing video. But making general content for wuwa is kinda tough. Theres not much to say. You just go in do your dailies, do toa, illusive realm, collect your dailies and log out. The only thing I watch are reactions and trying to relive the honey moon phase through other people which in itself is kinda sad already. Guides arent really needed if you have pwyrden to do everything for you. Sidneymar makes great lore videos, but theres only so much lore that you can uncover and be like "WOW LOOK AT THIS, Rover is actually a god". It really does seem like iyo doesn't even play wuwa that much if basic points he is mentioning can be counteracted immediately by playing the game or following wuwa.
I agree that we need better contents
Nowadays there are only drama and low effort videos that have high views
Guys 3 days out in this arena, whats negative edge, glue and a him?😭
u just had to be there
Chilltontas is back guys
We don't have a team training mode but we have a training mode for characters you own in WuWa. Helps to understand combos with that character a lot.
Genshin themed shorts are kinda everywhere
Now get a hold of vars and make him explain his take
omg this guy bring a race card in 13 min what the hell
So if anyone brings up the issue it's just dismissed as "race card"? Why not just be honest and say some of y'all wanna be racist without anyone reminding you how shitty and irrationally hateful it is?
Iyo has his issues but to use him as an excuse to be racist towards those of us who have been good positive members of the community is absolute dog sh*t. Racism towards us is an issue in this space ask any black person in this space, we've pretty much all experienced it, even if we keep our opinions quiet it doesn't matter people will look for reasons to excuse racist behavior. Iyo definitely picked a bad time to bring it up but let's not pretend the issue is non-existent.
I'm going to say this but in my opinion, Iyo being vague deliberately is an attempt to farm twitter engagement and drama, a lazy one at that. If he had any kind of genuine critique for the game he should have made a full scripted video, perhaps in collaboration with the people he claimed to have discussed these issues with, instead we get one rage-baiting tweet and more drama. Iyo has gotten addicted to clout he gets from going viral with bad takes to the point that he's forgoing his actual channel and content in favor of divisive twitter posts. He said Wuthering waves needs more S-tier content besides guides and reacts, he just gave up the opportunity to make one such vide in exchange for twitter notoreity. Disappointing, and now his laise fair attitude towards this whole affair is going to make it even harder to take his actual good takes seriously.
Ya I lost "seriousness" when it comes to Iyo
good video. out of context, I saw a post/video of you reacting to chill wuwa mobs / geographic documentaries. did it got taken down?
GLUECLEAR CONVERSATION
This was a great "bonding" time between Chilltontas and He is HI(yo)M
EVERY NIGHT!!!
Kuro community need a "Glue" because Sticky (i mean literally a glue)
I have a lot of respect for Saint for taking criticisms of some of his behavior to heart and improving his delivery on stuff while not sacrificing holding people to account when they're clearly Bs'ing. Credit where due, because I was also not a fan of some of the hostility in the past, even though it was true that Vars's video was dogshit and Smack's TOA critique was easy to dismantle and had no alternatives, Saint's delivery was going to be off-putting for many people.
Really solid interview with Iyo, really solid rebuttals when he tried to deflect, and especially when he tried to play the race card which is one his classic moves anytime he gets genuine criticism on one of his many shit takes. I'm sure there are racist dms, but dude you're a public figure, get over it. People who aren't public figures deal with that on X, X has so many people with anon accounts who say whatever. I'm a minority too, just block and move on with your life, it makes you look goddamn pathetic.
I despise Iyo, he's an idiot who think's he's smart, wants special treatment from Devs while not actually deserving it, (I think creator servers to get stuff early isn't good for any game, but more of a CC issue than one for us players), uses gatcha-story tier useless jargon when he could just speak like a normal person, is extremely vague when he could be specific and a myriad of other stuff including never being to admit his own faults. Insufferable.
And yet Saint managed to actually both gently criticize his tweet and his attempt to play the race card, while also bringing out the best of him. And he took the suggestion Iyo made literally the next day to review some smaller wuwa content creators and react to them.
10/10 video
new saint vid, "kurogames respects the players IQ" jk. I now understand Iyo's side but really commend Saint for the objectivity.
Im rly happy u showed up at Teccys vids. Im just on YT and im rly happy to just find well spoken people like you and Asmon who just yap and call people out on their bullshit. We need more of you people man, im like that as well.
Im just listening to YT the whole day at work as i work alone so im just happy to find anyone who makes long af vids just yapping 😂
Dude dont let anyone tell you to calm tf down. We leave the snowflakes behind in 2023. People need to grow a backbone and be able take heat when putting out trash. Keep calling bullshitters out man fucking love it. I dont enjoy Brax or his vids solely for the reason that i dont like generic shit or people who try to be everyones friend. Which is why i mostly listen to Asmon.
Earned my sub bro, this channel is heavily underrated atm. You will grow big im pretty sure. Maybe do some random reacting vids every now and then to not solely rely on WuWa? Just a suggestion. Keep at it bro!
1:01:55 basically recruit some wuwa CC's lets go
i agree with solid bseline for wuwa
You know 100% of this war and drama can be avoided if we don't feed the trolls and just avoid them lol.
I think he just doesn't have strong interpersonal skills. Most people know by now that it's a really hard skill to condense something and it still retain the message, if you're constantly being misunderstood, it's not your skill, and that's fine! Adapt to your skills and own up to your mistakes without trying to push them onto others, you're the key denominator in all your misunderstandings.
25:02 - Yes, criticism should be scrutinized, and we should see where it comes from, but there are 2 sides to that coin.
1 - How are things factually, and does a critique line up with the facts
2 - Why does someone experience XYZ a certain way
I would argue that for someone looking for possible improvements in their experience of anything, number 2 is arguably more important to explore, especially from casuals and especially if you want the games audience to grow.
Case-in-point if Wuwa's story and/or storytelling feels horrible for a significant number of people, we all say:
"okey but you didn't even finish the 1.0 arc and it gets significantly better afterwards so you are WRONG, nobody cares about your existence", we take an exclusionary and elitist angle which generally isn't good for growth. We might also say:
"If a significant number of people doesn't get past the 1.0 story arc because they dislike it... the 1.0 story is hurting the game's potential, and therefore needs a significant overhaul to get everyone invested like we are."
We don't have to defend EVERYTHING with pitchforks and torches, even if we're right.
he is the GLUE that wuwa needs
were there any points made i don't feel like listening to gaslighting conversation go on like the live stream. So is there gonna be a commenting god that will explain in short points? May the glue forever hold WuWa together
Can you summarise it like in elden ring term
Bro just watch it trust me it’s not the clown show these recent calls have been this was very mature and productive
@@kermitthefrog7963 okay I will take your word
This is very good.
29:44 iyos monster hunter point is very valid. Tigrex (which does sound like T-Rex🤣and looks like one too) his spin attack is gnarly but if you cut his tail off it has less range so you’re incentivised to target a specific spot and if you do theres a direct correlation to what you choose to prioritise and if it can benefit you and it’s all on you cos you can choose to ignore it (the mechanic of shortening its tail) and suffer the consequences, but you can ALSO spec into more I-frames OR a longer dodge range(or both) to mitigate it if you don’t have a sharp weapon OR if you play long sword and don’t wanna cut its tail off just full counter like youre meliodas. You could also run lance/gun lance and just block like you’re asmongold in shadow of the erd tree🤣🤣
Also imperm heron has a stagger regen too if I’m not mistaken
CONTENT DOES NOT RUN THE WORLD. IT RUNS YOUR WORLD IF YOU LET IT! THIS IS SUCH A ALWAYS ONLINE OPINION.
We need Gacha Smack admit defeat now 😤
He already did in Tectone stream. He said his 2 recent videos do not have anything in it at all. It's just slop content to push RUclips as Content Creators.
So yes Saintone is correct about being a slop content...
Gacha Smack said it too that if he asks anyone to think for him? That's a bad sign that it's just a sloppy video where he had no idea what he was talking about lol
So yes Gacha Smack would kinda instantly lost.
@infinitykiyen6270 gacha smack talked at the gacha cast?
@@amrradwan1055 Yes watch Tectone live vods or MrPokke vods.
He clarify that if he ask people for the solution it means he had no idea at all.
Since the normal Gacha Smack will always give solution.
There's no point in me commenting anymore 😭
Blueclear
Glue
Could be better
Love how the stream creates all these inside jokes.
Glueclear
Saintontas situation is crazy
Saintontas vs iyo 🗣️
you are a genius
Glue
There we go, iam liking Iyo's take now, like please if anyone is gonna give critict, please give reason why
i take back when i said iyo means sniffing glue
Also Saint reacting to other means of content is a good idea to promote other things than leaks, hate leaks
If everyone is asking for clarification from takes then ur takes are clearly foggy asf
Who is iyo?
he is HIM
Some know him as" bad take iyo"
This live needs more glue
After the last Iyo video where he talked about having a big ego and pulled a enviosity I thought he would lay off these types of videos and tweets but if he’s still making horrendous takes 🤣
Also in his “I’m the only mf who should be getting praised” video” didn’t he say he wasn’t making wuwa content anymore bc the game and community are bad 💀💀
Of course, there is no content like gameplay and guides for the game, because the game itself has no gameplay. Dead patches for 50 days without content, even the events are the same reruns. The toxic community can only endlessly throw mud at everyone, and this reviewer and main defender of WW is the leader of these toxic people, so on his channel there are only reactions where he tries to defend the game as if his life depends on it.
glue
Make my account better Saint lol
Does iyo ever get to the point? Bro just rambles in circles
I don't like the random zoom in.
45:55 need more r34, got it.
Iyo the goat
Yeah the glue goat😂
Goat, greatest of all trolls
the goat of bad takes
iyo the glue
Saintontas Ruined Thumbnails
152 Views in 8 minutes. Dude fell off
we used to pray for times like these
Dude don't even play the game
CaptinCabinetz had fun with the word "glue"
Please do not give this tourist any more relevance
@@doommaker4000 Saintontas is giving relevance for her btw, unfortunately
@@Gheniel_ Yeah, she's basically Saint's hexjuice. Both got the "chalk on a blackboard" type voice, too.
who is he?
What do you mean he ruined bad takes? Your takes already was bad🤔🤔🤔
:)
they are just cannot leave genshin coz they already spend some or alot of money to thier account and some of them doesn't have enaugh time to play another open world gacha game. so yeah we have a situation like this when i just make a comment "skip button" in one of genshin video, alot comment and alot of dislike wil pouring up
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