This is what I know too, but numbers don't lie. Maybe it is a matter of different batch? All Emax batteries performed consistently better than the GNB batteries.
that or since they were sellin to a name brand distributor for remarketing they made sure they got the best of a batch :P says something good when a mediocre batch of gnb's is still middle of the road? difference in the tests were surprising. wasn't surprised about the happymodel batteries (uruav/eachine/etc).. some people talk trash on those but i've found them and their smaller 250's surprisingly good and take quite a beating. pretty much anything is better than betafpv batteries.. dunno what happened to those guys, a year+ ago their bats were pretty solid.
Yes, that is possible too, maybe they cherry-pick for this kind of partner/customer. We will never know :P I was surprised with the 550mAh URUAV, they fly very well. + I agree with you on the BetaFPV batteries, they consistently do not perform well compared to other batteries..
I love your testing videos, straight forward yet still has all the information we care about Could you test all the smaller capacity 1s, for using on the Mobula 6? Happymodel 250/300 mAh, GNB 260/300mAh with and without wire leads, are the common ones I see, thank you!
Thank you very much! I am not planning to get more 1S stick-shaped batteries any time soon. Based on all the packs I have tested so far, GNB gets an easy recommendation without second thoughts.
@@muteFPV haha no kidding, your thoroughness is a double edged sword. I guess if I had to boil down what I take away from the video the most( and I’m sure others too), that would be battery capacity at higher loads i.e. the average of 7 amps. Also internal resistance. Maybe that will help with expediting what you include in the video. Beyond that I’d recommend throwing some Tattu, Auline, RDQ, Flywoo, etc 1S batteries on top of the brands you normally tested. Sorry to add to your workload; I love what you’re doing and your intro makes me laugh. Cheers mate!
Thank you very much for the feedback, I truly appreciate it! I will see what batteries I can source for new tests :) I am currently struggling with free time and new projects I have been working on for the channel for a long time. It has been a while since I last posted a video but I prefer quality over quantity so it will have to wait...
I haven't bought new batteries for quite a while now but I can definitely recommend GNB (Gaoneng) if you can have them shipped to your location. They are great value for money, reliable and usually perform very well.
@@muteFPV I havent try them yet but iam going order them soon Link to Battery's: m.banggood.com/5Pcs-URUAV-3_8V-550mAh-80C160C-1S-HV-4_35V-PH2_0-Plug-Lipo-Battery-for-Emax-Tinyhawk-KingkongLDARC-TINY-p-1583751.html?rmmds=detail-bottom-alsolike
hi there, really appreciated your work, does it matter if its a HV battery (like the gnb ones) or not? any opinion about the gnb 520 (or 550) hv lipos vs the non-hv 550 uruav? (im at the verge of buying my first drone, little confused :) )
It always depends on the manufacturer and how "serious" they are. In general a HV battery will give you that little bit extra voltage, which is significant at the beginning of the flight. After that it is like flying a standard battery. Also using HV batteries as standard batteries (charging them to 4.2V instead of 4.35V) can possibly mean that the HV pack will last longer compared to standard battery charged at 4.2V. In practice batteries are considered "consumables" though. You will crash them, you will bend them, you will tear them, you will accidentally over discharge them etc. So don't worry especially at the beginning. If getting cheaper batteries means that you will buy more batteries, this means that you have more batteries to practice with and improve faster. GNB are usually sold at a decent price and are very good batteries. I have not tried the ones you mentioned but I have been happy with all their batteries.
Thanks mate! Interesting indeed, but numbers don't lie ;) I already received feedback that others did not get the same weight on their URUAV 450mAh batteries so probably it was just a batch with so big capacity. Who knows..
Sorry I am new to the fpv world. So my question is which battery has the longesr flight time? Or is that a very wrong way of say what the best battery is?
It is not a wrong way at all, the best battery for you may not be the best for someone else and this is why I provide all the data necessary for everyone to identify the right battery for their needs. In your case, if we are talking about cruising around, the URUAV 550mAh have high energy density and good performance overall. The 450mAh version I tested may not exist anymore, it was a weird batch that had higher capacity (and weight) than advertised.
Each chart says at the top right if for example "higher is better". It all depends on what you are looking for though. For raw performance the last two charts are very important. If you want long flights while cruising (not very demanding) I would care more about the weight and the energy density.
@@muteFPV ahhh! Gotcha. My apologies. I missed that part somehow. I guess I was trying to interpret the information for myself too hard to notice haha. Thank you for the clarification!
No worries, it is my bad that I haven't done an explanatory video for my battery tests all this time... and I always say this... and I never get to it... :P
how come you use 450 mah instead of 250 like what most people use? Just baught a mobula it came with 4 250mah 1s batteries. Also how would the 450 mah fit?
This video is for both the Mobula and the Tinyhawk. You can use a 3d printed adapter or rubber band to hold a 1S 450mAh in the Mobula7 tray, as well as 2x in series (a bit heavy though). For smaller batteries you can check my LiPo test video series, I have tested plenty of 250mAh 1S.
URUAV is so weird! The 450mah bats weigh just over 2g more than the 550mah! Huh??! They should put new labels on them as 750mah!...or at least 700mah! 🤔😉 They seems to be the best value, if you don't mind the approx. 2g more per bat. 5 for $15 for essentially a 750mah 1S is quite the bargain! 🤑😁 Thanks for all of your efforts! 👍
You're welcome. Please keep in mind that this could be a batch issue or a label mistake. I don't know if all the 450mAh batteries they ship will be like this.
@@ELValenin I use GNB 350 mah 1s batteries. It's not about longest flight time with quads...newbies need to learn that it's all about the power to weight ratio. In other words, those larger, heavier batteries make the quad perform substantially worse than the smaller batteries do. It's better to get 3 - 4 minutes per flight and change to another battery, but get fast, nimble flight performance, than get a long time per flight and get sluggish, prop wash, yaw wash out flight performance! Which, if you use a bigger battery, you will get!!! *Remember, it's ALL ABOUT WEIGHT WITH WHO0PS!* Want your small quad or who0p to fly like crap? Overload it with too heavy of a battery! lol :( Plus, people have reported bad things about those URUAV batteries. Get the GNB and enjoy the performance and long life. AND!!!...never charge to HV voltage! That's a fictitious voltage the manufacturers want you to charge to because the batteries don't last nearly as long and it makes you have to buy new ones faster...which they of course make more money on! There is no such thing as an HV battery! Charge to 4.2 volts and they last a long time. You really think it's worth charging a 4.2 volt battery to 4.35 volts and getting about 10 - 15 seconds more flight per charge, but having your batteries last a fraction of their expected life span? NO WAY! ;)
Do you find that discharging to 3.2v quickly wrecks the batteries ? Flying my TinyHawk II until the low battery alert was raised only gave 9 cycles before the EMAX batteries could only give 9 to 15 second flights. In fact looking at my logs most batteries I have tried gave (after their first charge) almost 4 minutes on the first flight (down to 3.2v), around 2 minutes on the second charge, and then it was quickly downhill from there. When flying fixed wing I never discharge below 3.7 volts and get 150+ flights from the battery so I'm wondering if the TinyHawk's low battery alert should be set using BetaFlight to alert at a higher voltage to prolong the battery life. Any comments / info will be welcomed.
During flight you may see voltages as low as 3.0V (under load), because these batteries are pretty small. They will recover back to 3.5+V when rested and will be perfectly fine. As long as the voltage readings in Betaflight are fairly accurate, you should be just fine down to 3.2V with no problems at all. If you are using the stock PH2.0 battery connectors on the Tinyhawk, definitely change them to solid-pin PH2.0. The stock (crimped) PH2.0 connectors don't last long and can cause similar issues.
@@muteFPV Thanks. I have checked the TinyHawk II by powering from a bench power supply with a calibrated DVM and the goggle display is 0.1v low (erring on the side of safety). When charged my batteries show 4.3v (4.2v in the goggles) but having used them a few times they very quickly drop to 3.2v indicated in the goggles (or 3.3v on the transmitter telemetry display). If I then disconnect the battery and connect it to a LiPo tester (as I normally use for my fixed wing) it shows that the battery very quickly recovers its voltage to around 4v and 90%+ remaining capacity. I'll try changing the connectors as you suggest but my measurements seem to indicate that it is an internal issue with the batteries as the voltage stays low for a few seconds even if the motors are disarmed which I think means that the connectors aren't giving a high contact resistance. Thanks for you help.
@@muteFPV While waiting for some solid pins to arrive I have done some "lab" testing. Thankfully all 8 LiPos are OK and can still deliver their rated capacity when checked on a 1.5 Ohm resistive load. Checks on the quad show the high resistance to be in the LiPo connector and that it typically drops about 0.3 volts across the connector at hovering power, although on one occasion I did measure a 0.8 volt drop. Using a 2 amp rated connector for a quad that draws up to 9 amps is simply poor design. Do you know of any better connectors that can be fitted to the TinyHawk II because even using a solid pin PH2.0 won't be giving the connector a sufficient current rating for reliable long term operation.
Great information, I love this testing. Why was the testing # of runs so much less on the Emax 450 and URVA 550, much fewer than the others ? Thank you
Yes ofcourse, I test each battery by itself, not with the model. I just named this shootout specifically as batteries for Tinyhawk and Mobula because these batteries fit in those frames perfectly. The results are the same, no matter the model you use them for :) They are long and narrow so they will fit the Bat100 very well!
@@butifarra1969 for just one (1S) yes, you will probably have to add a small piece of foam to hold it in place. For 2S (2x 1S packs) they won't fit, they are too thick. I just checked on a V3 Mob7 frame
thank you very much. as a beginner, these videos are incredibly useful. I have a question: maybe there weren't available at the time of the video, but what are you thoughts about the GNB 1S batteries with the YELLOW label? they have an higher C (90C/180C vs. 80/160C of the PINK ones). maybe they're not worth replacing, but since I'm just starting and have to buy them, I'd love to hear if they're better. thanks!
Thank YOU! In general you can't go wrong with GNB, they are a trustworthy company with a huge range of reliable batteries and usually at a good price. I haven't tried them but you also need to take into consideration the capacity when selecting batteries, not just the C rating. Higher capacity at a similar (or higher) C-rating means more weight, which may not be optimal in flight. What quadcopter are you planning on buying them for?
It is an amazing hobby, I hope you don't get discouraged by the (plenty) hurdles / mishaps / damages that will follow :) I personally prefer keeping the weight low as much as possible but it is up to you to decide. Larger batteries may suit you better in the beginning because you can practice for longer but the quad will be more sluggish and less agile. The more batteries you have, the more you will practice and the faster you will progress. Flying packs one after the other makes a huge difference, compared to flying just a few and then waiting for them to recharge.
@@muteFPV I agree the less weight the better. I obviously don't know much since I just started, but I looked up the specs on aliexpress (from the GAONENG official store) and the pink (80/160C) 520mAh weight 13gr, whereas the yellow (90/180C) 530mAh weight "about 12gr". so with very comparable size, the one with higher C rating are actually lighter.
maybe they have different wrapping, shorter battery leads etc, who knows :) I thought you were comparing the 450mAh to the 5xx 6xx yellow versions, since both are 520-530mAh get the ones with the higher C rating
Just got my URUAV 550's in the mail and so far liking them. Are these safe to charge til 4.35V or should I stick with 4.20V? Also what should I discharge them to? My Mobula 7 is currently set to go off at 3.0V and afterwards the batteries read about 3.7-3.8 on my voltage checker.
If they say LiHV you can charge up to 4.35V, but charging at 4.2V will be better for the batteries. You can discharge down to 3.0V during flight, it is OK, especially since the batteries recover at 3.7-3.8 resting voltage :)
For 1S, they will be definitely better and fly longer, yes. If you connect them in series for 2S, it will become a bit heavy but the Mobula has plenty of power. It should be fine.
I don't have the V2 frame but tried on the V3. They fit in width but 2x batteries are a bit too thick. I can fit 2x Emax batteries just fine. I have seen 3d prints for this battery size (similar idea to the stock adapter) so the important thing is that they fit in width. Is the battery bay of the V2 similar to the V1 or V3?
I don't understand. At the end of the video the graphs compare all the batteries at once. What else would you want to see exactly? All values of all batteries on one graph?
Its weird, maybe you got an odd batch for the uruav. The image on banggood shows 5 450mah batteries weighing 55 grams (only 11 grams each) which would in theory make it the lightest battery yet your testing shows it being the heaviest. I wonder if anyone else can confirm they also got heavy 450mah batteries? (not that I don't believe you, I just wonder how prolific this is)
It is not only the weight of my 450mAh URUAV batteries, also the capacity is way higher than it should be (which explains the weight). I have seen a few others that received same as mine, most have reported normal weight and capacity though.
@@muteFPV yeah makes sense with the extra capacity. If the 450mah is the normal capacity. Would you still recommend the 550mah even though it adds weight to the quad?
@@RavenWindrunner Can't speak theoretically (if you mean the URUAV 450mAh specifically), I will have to test them before recommending them. In general I suggest the 550mAh because they were very affordable and performed very well.
Hello and thank you for your support! No I haven't. For my testing methodology I need at least 3 pieces so maybe it is better to suggest to NBD to send me a set instead ;)
@@muteFPV I've done so! Maybe no one there is familiar with your work - I'm an engineer that understands this information is virtual gold - it's the least I can do, ill send you a set
yeah I got 10 of them for the tinyhawk and compared to the URUAVs they didn't last that long nor did they feel as peppy. Mind you that is pure by the seat of your pants analysis...
great video! do you have experience with the URUAV 620mAh 1s batteries? wonder how they would stack up. I guess I'll find out, I have to test them by feel though ;)
I think this is a good review. But there is something that worries me since I already ordered 5 extra URUAV 550mAh. Are they going to fit properly on my Emax Tiny Hawk? The dimensions are not the same and this is something I didn’t kept in mind before buy them...
Thanks :) The 550mAh fit perfectly fine on mine. The 450mAh were too tight but people told me that their 450mAh packs had less weight and size, so maybe my batch was weird with bigger capacity and size.
I need some help.I bought the fd800 from your whoop build. I managed to solder it correctly to the board. And not my taranis still won't connect to it. Any reasons why you would know??
@@muteFPV i have the gnb 1s hv 450mah when i put it on to my eachine qx90c pro it doesn't fit somehow i manage it to stick it with double side tape it vibrant when hover and also dift. So any other options that fit and doesn't dift also not vibrate Please help me ?
Sorry, I don't have the qx90c pro so I cannot check which batteries fit exactly. The stock batteries look like some generic 600mAh we used to use. The nanotech 750mAh have similar shape but I think they are thicker. All I can suggest is that you measure the battery slot and compare it to the dimensions of the batteries that are available.
I just subbed! I been looking for someone who does comparative analysis of fpv drone batteries.. I'm new to hobby and genuinely would like to know more. More bang for my buck! I'm mainly on 1s batteries now. Don't want to go crazy investing.. But in my Tinyhawk S, whats the general rule of thumb to get the most flight time and balanced performance in a battery? Like what's a good average to be watchful for i.e: 50/100 or 80/160c etc. And what about like 1100mAH 3.8V ? Is that good/safe/the best?
Hello! Weight is very important and greatly affects how the quad flies, especially when it is a micro quad. The sweet spot depends on a lot of things, ideally you would fly 450mAh batteries for the Tinyhawk S for a bit shorter but much more nimble flights. I wouldn't go more than 550mAh for the same reason. Using larger batteries (in weight and in capacity) means you have to carry that weight in flight and after a certain point it stops giving you more flight time.
Its funny that this channel is called "mute fpv" while implying that the others talked too much, but this is the channel I have to mute otherwise I just hear crappy music. Other wise it's good stuff.
You just connect them in series. Check my Mobula7 or Beta65 Pro 2 videos for example and watch how the battery leads are connected. If you mean to desolder the stock discharge leads and combined them into 2S packs permanently, it can be done too but I don't have a video in mind to share with you.
I see now later in the video that they are actually much higher capacity, that is also odd. Thanks for all your work though, will be picking up the 550mah uruav when I can justify spending more.
Did you notice the significantly higher capacity that explains the weight? ;) I suspect there had been a mislabeled batch. Others reported same weight as mine, others much lower but with "normal" capacity.
Me too, although I already have plenty of 1S packs for the Tinyhawk. If I get my hands on them I will add them to the next shootout. At the moment planning a 2S shootout, waiting for LiPos to arrive.
@@muteFPV ναι, για το tinyhawk s! Το περιμένω :) και η πλάκα είναι ότι τις μπαταρίες τις παράγγειλα πριν την απάντηση σου και ευτυχώς έπεσα μέσα. Πήρα τις gaoneng 450 και uruav 550MAH;). Χαιρετώ από Ηράκλειο Κρήτης!!
Χάθηκε η απάντησή σου στις ειδοποιήσεις, τώρα την είδα! Είμαι σίγουρος ότι θα μείνεις ικανοποιημένος και με τις δύο για 1S - δεν το έχω δοκιμάσει το Tinyhawk-S αλλά υποπτεύομαι ότι θα χρειαστείς κάτι ελαφρύ για 2S. Θα αλλάξεις το PH2.0 σε κάτι άλλο για 2S;
@@muteFPV I guess URUAV doesn't really always have same suppliers or own factories and just buy stuff on the chinese market and brand them with their own label (as seen with other products like chargers, components and stuff that are available under a variety of names). Mine were bought fairly recent. Edit: I just saw I already commented on this video when it came out :) but I mean the 550mah now ;)
:P I know I know, I should have done an explanatory video for my battery test series a long time ago.. Let me know if you need help with something specific :)
According to feedback from other people, a few others got same as mine but many others got actual 450mAh cells. Maybe it was an issue of wrong labeling.
I didn't want to include smaller batteries in this shootout, I have separate tests for "tiny whoop" sized stick batteries. Thanks for the feedback though, that is good to know :)
@@muteFPV I agree, they are not really relevant for us Pro-Flyers :). But it's what comes stock with these 2S whoops. Would be a nice baseline for comparison
@Nicolai I wanted to show that I weighed all samples so the footage was different. Plus I wanted the viewer to be able to see the weight of all the batteries at the same time.
the emax battery is a gnb battery with a sticker on it
This is what I know too, but numbers don't lie. Maybe it is a matter of different batch? All Emax batteries performed consistently better than the GNB batteries.
that or since they were sellin to a name brand distributor for remarketing they made sure they got the best of a batch :P says something good when a mediocre batch of gnb's is still middle of the road? difference in the tests were surprising. wasn't surprised about the happymodel batteries (uruav/eachine/etc).. some people talk trash on those but i've found them and their smaller 250's surprisingly good and take quite a beating. pretty much anything is better than betafpv batteries.. dunno what happened to those guys, a year+ ago their bats were pretty solid.
Yes, that is possible too, maybe they cherry-pick for this kind of partner/customer. We will never know :P
I was surprised with the 550mAh URUAV, they fly very well. + I agree with you on the BetaFPV batteries, they consistently do not perform well compared to other batteries..
I love your testing videos, straight forward yet still has all the information we care about
Could you test all the smaller capacity 1s, for using on the Mobula 6? Happymodel 250/300 mAh, GNB 260/300mAh with and without wire leads, are the common ones I see, thank you!
Thank you very much! I am not planning to get more 1S stick-shaped batteries any time soon. Based on all the packs I have tested so far, GNB gets an easy recommendation without second thoughts.
You should do an updated video with other brands included as well. I know it's a lot of work but well worthwhile!
You are right, I should. Added to my (unfortunately long) todo list :)
@@muteFPV haha no kidding, your thoroughness is a double edged sword. I guess if I had to boil down what I take away from the video the most( and I’m sure others too), that would be battery capacity at higher loads i.e. the average of 7 amps. Also internal resistance. Maybe that will help with expediting what you include in the video.
Beyond that I’d recommend throwing some Tattu, Auline, RDQ, Flywoo, etc 1S batteries on top of the brands you normally tested. Sorry to add to your workload; I love what you’re doing and your intro makes me laugh. Cheers mate!
Thank you very much for the feedback, I truly appreciate it! I will see what batteries I can source for new tests :) I am currently struggling with free time and new projects I have been working on for the channel for a long time. It has been a while since I last posted a video but I prefer quality over quantity so it will have to wait...
Love the music dude. Thanks for the shootout its invaluable information :)
You're welcome :) It is my "lipo test" music track :P
How is the URUAV 550mah 80/100C compared to the 50/100C?
I haven't tried them, no idea :) I have been happy with the 50/100C but I can only assume that the 80C will be at least as good.
Love this channel!
Thank you very much!
What is best lipo/lihv battery for small 65 whoop in 2021 ? please give me advice
I haven't bought new batteries for quite a while now but I can definitely recommend GNB (Gaoneng) if you can have them shipped to your location. They are great value for money, reliable and usually perform very well.
You could also get the Uruav 550 mah with 80/160c on Banggood i that think wil give better expierence.
I am pretty sure it was not available back when I ran these tests. I will give it a try next time. Have you tried it?
@@muteFPV I havent try them yet but iam going order them soon
Link to Battery's: m.banggood.com/5Pcs-URUAV-3_8V-550mAh-80C160C-1S-HV-4_35V-PH2_0-Plug-Lipo-Battery-for-Emax-Tinyhawk-KingkongLDARC-TINY-p-1583751.html?rmmds=detail-bottom-alsolike
hi there, really appreciated your work, does it matter if its a HV battery (like the gnb ones) or not? any opinion about the gnb 520 (or 550) hv lipos vs the non-hv 550 uruav? (im at the verge of buying my first drone, little confused :) )
It always depends on the manufacturer and how "serious" they are. In general a HV battery will give you that little bit extra voltage, which is significant at the beginning of the flight. After that it is like flying a standard battery. Also using HV batteries as standard batteries (charging them to 4.2V instead of 4.35V) can possibly mean that the HV pack will last longer compared to standard battery charged at 4.2V. In practice batteries are considered "consumables" though. You will crash them, you will bend them, you will tear them, you will accidentally over discharge them etc. So don't worry especially at the beginning. If getting cheaper batteries means that you will buy more batteries, this means that you have more batteries to practice with and improve faster. GNB are usually sold at a decent price and are very good batteries. I have not tried the ones you mentioned but I have been happy with all their batteries.
Great testing and comparisons, dude! 😊
Pretty interesting results!!! 😃
Thanks mate! Interesting indeed, but numbers don't lie ;)
I already received feedback that others did not get the same weight on their URUAV 450mAh batteries so probably it was just a batch with so big capacity. Who knows..
@@muteFPV Well... Even big companies make mistakes. Go figure. 😊
Sorry I am new to the fpv world. So my question is which battery has the longesr flight time? Or is that a very wrong way of say what the best battery is?
It is not a wrong way at all, the best battery for you may not be the best for someone else and this is why I provide all the data necessary for everyone to identify the right battery for their needs. In your case, if we are talking about cruising around, the URUAV 550mAh have high energy density and good performance overall. The 450mAh version I tested may not exist anymore, it was a weird batch that had higher capacity (and weight) than advertised.
How do I read these graphs? Is it a "red line farther right means better results" type of thing?
Each chart says at the top right if for example "higher is better". It all depends on what you are looking for though. For raw performance the last two charts are very important. If you want long flights while cruising (not very demanding) I would care more about the weight and the energy density.
@@muteFPV ahhh! Gotcha. My apologies. I missed that part somehow. I guess I was trying to interpret the information for myself too hard to notice haha. Thank you for the clarification!
No worries, it is my bad that I haven't done an explanatory video for my battery tests all this time... and I always say this... and I never get to it... :P
how come you use 450 mah instead of 250 like what most people use? Just baught a mobula it came with 4 250mah 1s batteries. Also how would the 450 mah fit?
This video is for both the Mobula and the Tinyhawk. You can use a 3d printed adapter or rubber band to hold a 1S 450mAh in the Mobula7 tray, as well as 2x in series (a bit heavy though). For smaller batteries you can check my LiPo test video series, I have tested plenty of 250mAh 1S.
URUAV is so weird! The 450mah bats weigh just over 2g more than the 550mah! Huh??! They should put new labels on them as 750mah!...or at least 700mah! 🤔😉 They seems to be the best value, if you don't mind the approx. 2g more per bat. 5 for $15 for essentially a 750mah 1S is quite the bargain! 🤑😁
Thanks for all of your efforts! 👍
You're welcome. Please keep in mind that this could be a batch issue or a label mistake. I don't know if all the 450mAh batteries they ship will be like this.
Only one way to find out! lol
;) :P
@@scootroter4859 and did you get 700mah out of yours as well? I need to decide between the 450 and 550mah versions :D
@@ELValenin I use GNB 350 mah 1s batteries. It's not about longest flight time with quads...newbies need to learn that it's all about the power to weight ratio. In other words, those larger, heavier batteries make the quad perform substantially worse than the smaller batteries do. It's better to get 3 - 4 minutes per flight and change to another battery, but get fast, nimble flight performance, than get a long time per flight and get sluggish, prop wash, yaw wash out flight performance! Which, if you use a bigger battery, you will get!!!
*Remember, it's ALL ABOUT WEIGHT WITH WHO0PS!* Want your small quad or who0p to fly like crap? Overload it with too heavy of a battery! lol :(
Plus, people have reported bad things about those URUAV batteries. Get the GNB and enjoy the performance and long life. AND!!!...never charge to HV voltage! That's a fictitious voltage the manufacturers want you to charge to because the batteries don't last nearly as long and it makes you have to buy new ones faster...which they of course make more money on! There is no such thing as an HV battery! Charge to 4.2 volts and they last a long time. You really think it's worth charging a 4.2 volt battery to 4.35 volts and getting about 10 - 15 seconds more flight per charge, but having your batteries last a fraction of their expected life span? NO WAY! ;)
All those batteries works on eachine trashcan?
The battery tray is the same as the Mobula7 so they should all fit, yes :)
Do you find that discharging to 3.2v quickly wrecks the batteries ? Flying my TinyHawk II until the low battery alert was raised only gave 9 cycles before the EMAX batteries could only give 9 to 15 second flights. In fact looking at my logs most batteries I have tried gave (after their first charge) almost 4 minutes on the first flight (down to 3.2v), around 2 minutes on the second charge, and then it was quickly downhill from there. When flying fixed wing I never discharge below 3.7 volts and get 150+ flights from the battery so I'm wondering if the TinyHawk's low battery alert should be set using BetaFlight to alert at a higher voltage to prolong the battery life. Any comments / info will be welcomed.
During flight you may see voltages as low as 3.0V (under load), because these batteries are pretty small. They will recover back to 3.5+V when rested and will be perfectly fine. As long as the voltage readings in Betaflight are fairly accurate, you should be just fine down to 3.2V with no problems at all. If you are using the stock PH2.0 battery connectors on the Tinyhawk, definitely change them to solid-pin PH2.0. The stock (crimped) PH2.0 connectors don't last long and can cause similar issues.
@@muteFPV Thanks. I have checked the TinyHawk II by powering from a bench power supply with a calibrated DVM and the goggle display is 0.1v low (erring on the side of safety). When charged my batteries show 4.3v (4.2v in the goggles) but having used them a few times they very quickly drop to 3.2v indicated in the goggles (or 3.3v on the transmitter telemetry display). If I then disconnect the battery and connect it to a LiPo tester (as I normally use for my fixed wing) it shows that the battery very quickly recovers its voltage to around 4v and 90%+ remaining capacity.
I'll try changing the connectors as you suggest but my measurements seem to indicate that it is an internal issue with the batteries as the voltage stays low for a few seconds even if the motors are disarmed which I think means that the connectors aren't giving a high contact resistance. Thanks for you help.
The battery connector is the first thing I would do. Please let me know when you change it so we can troubleshoot further, if this doesn't fix it.
@@muteFPV Thanks. I'll let you know how I get on.
@@muteFPV While waiting for some solid pins to arrive I have done some "lab" testing. Thankfully all 8 LiPos are OK and can still deliver their rated capacity when checked on a 1.5 Ohm resistive load. Checks on the quad show the high resistance to be in the LiPo connector and that it typically drops about 0.3 volts across the connector at hovering power, although on one occasion I did measure a 0.8 volt drop. Using a 2 amp rated connector for a quad that draws up to 9 amps is simply poor design. Do you know of any better connectors that can be fitted to the TinyHawk II because even using a solid pin PH2.0 won't be giving the connector a sufficient current rating for reliable long term operation.
Great information, I love this testing. Why was the testing # of runs so much less on the Emax 450 and URVA 550, much fewer than the others ? Thank you
Hello, have the tests been done for the two drone models? You would recommend the same batteries for others, like a bat100. regards
Yes ofcourse, I test each battery by itself, not with the model. I just named this shootout specifically as batteries for Tinyhawk and Mobula because these batteries fit in those frames perfectly. The results are the same, no matter the model you use them for :) They are long and narrow so they will fit the Bat100 very well!
@@muteFPV thak you very much!!! great work
You're welcome :)
Nice test , thx for helping us and making this video 🙏
You're welcome!
Which one do you think is the best formobula 7 1 s indoors?
I personally like the GNB 450 and URUAV 550. But there are a few new batteries that I have not tried yet (GNB 520, higher C rated URUAV packs etc).
muteFPV I think I'll get the 550 mah uruav. Really good video. Do they all fit in mobula 7?
@@butifarra1969 for just one (1S) yes, you will probably have to add a small piece of foam to hold it in place. For 2S (2x 1S packs) they won't fit, they are too thick. I just checked on a V3 Mob7 frame
thank you very much. as a beginner, these videos are incredibly useful. I have a question: maybe there weren't available at the time of the video, but what are you thoughts about the GNB 1S batteries with the YELLOW label? they have an higher C (90C/180C vs. 80/160C of the PINK ones). maybe they're not worth replacing, but since I'm just starting and have to buy them, I'd love to hear if they're better. thanks!
Thank YOU! In general you can't go wrong with GNB, they are a trustworthy company with a huge range of reliable batteries and usually at a good price. I haven't tried them but you also need to take into consideration the capacity when selecting batteries, not just the C rating. Higher capacity at a similar (or higher) C-rating means more weight, which may not be optimal in flight. What quadcopter are you planning on buying them for?
@@muteFPV thanks! I just started but I already have a bunch on the way, the tinyhawk 2, mobula6 HD, Nanohawk X :-) I need 1S and 2S
It is an amazing hobby, I hope you don't get discouraged by the (plenty) hurdles / mishaps / damages that will follow :) I personally prefer keeping the weight low as much as possible but it is up to you to decide. Larger batteries may suit you better in the beginning because you can practice for longer but the quad will be more sluggish and less agile. The more batteries you have, the more you will practice and the faster you will progress. Flying packs one after the other makes a huge difference, compared to flying just a few and then waiting for them to recharge.
@@muteFPV I agree the less weight the better. I obviously don't know much since I just started, but I looked up the specs on aliexpress (from the GAONENG official store) and the pink (80/160C) 520mAh weight 13gr, whereas the yellow (90/180C) 530mAh weight "about 12gr". so with very comparable size, the one with higher C rating are actually lighter.
maybe they have different wrapping, shorter battery leads etc, who knows :) I thought you were comparing the 450mAh to the 5xx 6xx yellow versions, since both are 520-530mAh get the ones with the higher C rating
Does it matter if you fit 450 or 550 mah
I have a snapper7
It depends how you want to fly, if you want to be more nimble go for 450, if you want to cruise around and fly longer go for 550. I fly both :)
muteFPV thanks for the quick response I’ll go for 450🤗
Just got my URUAV 550's in the mail and so far liking them. Are these safe to charge til 4.35V or should I stick with 4.20V? Also what should I discharge them to? My Mobula 7 is currently set to go off at 3.0V and afterwards the batteries read about 3.7-3.8 on my voltage checker.
If they say LiHV you can charge up to 4.35V, but charging at 4.2V will be better for the batteries. You can discharge down to 3.0V during flight, it is OK, especially since the batteries recover at 3.7-3.8 resting voltage :)
Can I use any of those on my Mobula7 ? do I get more flying time compared to the ones who came with my mobula7 ? noob asking here
For 1S, they will be definitely better and fly longer, yes. If you connect them in series for 2S, it will become a bit heavy but the Mobula has plenty of power. It should be fine.
What's the difference between jst-ph2.0 and Ph2.0? I'm trying to buy new batteries
It is the same thing :) Usually for convenience you call it PH2.0, as you call JST the red connector
@@muteFPV thank you!! Subbing now 😄
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Did the Uruav 550mah can fit mobula7 v2 frame without modifications? Nice work, very well done.
I don't have the V2 frame but tried on the V3. They fit in width but 2x batteries are a bit too thick. I can fit 2x Emax batteries just fine. I have seen 3d prints for this battery size (similar idea to the stock adapter) so the important thing is that they fit in width. Is the battery bay of the V2 similar to the V1 or V3?
@@muteFPV V1 and V2 are identical size, V3 I don't know. If I use uruav 550 as 1S they will fit fine, is this correct?
I don't have the V1 frame here to check either. I only have the V3 now.
You can measure the battery bay, I have the detailed dimensions of each battery in the video
Need more comparison graphs with all the batteries on one
I don't understand. At the end of the video the graphs compare all the batteries at once. What else would you want to see exactly? All values of all batteries on one graph?
I go with GNB. Good test.Thank you. I use it for xk k110
You're welcome! GNB batteries are very good overall, it is a safe choice
Curious what the chances are of you testing all of the BT2.0 lipo options. :)
Slim :P I only have the 1S 300mAh from BetaFPV so far
Its weird, maybe you got an odd batch for the uruav. The image on banggood shows 5 450mah batteries weighing 55 grams (only 11 grams each) which would in theory make it the lightest battery yet your testing shows it being the heaviest. I wonder if anyone else can confirm they also got heavy 450mah batteries? (not that I don't believe you, I just wonder how prolific this is)
It is not only the weight of my 450mAh URUAV batteries, also the capacity is way higher than it should be (which explains the weight). I have seen a few others that received same as mine, most have reported normal weight and capacity though.
@@muteFPV yeah makes sense with the extra capacity. If the 450mah is the normal capacity. Would you still recommend the 550mah even though it adds weight to the quad?
@@RavenWindrunner Can't speak theoretically (if you mean the URUAV 450mAh specifically), I will have to test them before recommending them. In general I suggest the 550mAh because they were very affordable and performed very well.
Hey man I want to send you an NBD Nitro Nectar Gold to test, can we do that? Have you come across any in the wild?
Hello and thank you for your support! No I haven't. For my testing methodology I need at least 3 pieces so maybe it is better to suggest to NBD to send me a set instead ;)
@@muteFPV I've done so! Maybe no one there is familiar with your work - I'm an engineer that understands this information is virtual gold - it's the least I can do, ill send you a set
Send me an email mutefpv (at) gmail, maybe I can change your mind :P
I vouch for the URUAV 550mAh batts - pretty solid. Ganoneng is pretty poor, my TH puffed all of them after 5 runs
Really? I haven't had any issues with GNB batteries. Only one 2S 550mah had failed but it was because I over-discharged it during my tests.
yeah I got 10 of them for the tinyhawk and compared to the URUAVs they didn't last that long nor did they feel as peppy. Mind you that is pure by the seat of your pants analysis...
Some of my Gaoneng Lipo also puffed after couple of flights.
That is very disconcerting. Without over-discharging them?
@@muteFPV I never went under 3.1v. From out of 10 batteries 2 is puffed after couple of use.
great video! do you have experience with the URUAV 620mAh 1s batteries? wonder how they would stack up.
I guess I'll find out, I have to test them by feel though ;)
I haven't had the chance to try them out. Let me know what you think when you get them :)
I think this is a good review.
But there is something that worries me since I already ordered 5 extra URUAV 550mAh. Are they going to fit properly on my Emax Tiny Hawk?
The dimensions are not the same and this is something I didn’t kept in mind before buy them...
Thanks :) The 550mAh fit perfectly fine on mine. The 450mAh were too tight but people told me that their 450mAh packs had less weight and size, so maybe my batch was weird with bigger capacity and size.
I wish I new exactly what all that meant lol Thanks for the info
Testing batteries is complicated, can't do otherwise. Go for my best picks, towards the end of the video ;)
I need some help.I bought the fd800 from your whoop build. I managed to solder it correctly to the board. And not my taranis still won't connect to it. Any reasons why you would know??
Hey, I already replied to your other comment about this. I don't remember in which video you had asked it though.
@@muteFPV I just saw that sorry about that didn't see any notification because I used my wrong acc on the first comment
No worries :)
Can you help me please about which battery is best for my eachine qx90c pro ?
The GNB 450 and the URUAV 550 were very good. I also like the non-HV GNB 450 for small 1S quads.
@@muteFPV i have the gnb 1s hv 450mah when i put it on to my eachine qx90c pro it doesn't fit somehow i manage it to stick it with double side tape it vibrant when hover and also dift. So any other options that fit and doesn't dift also not vibrate Please help me ?
Sorry, I don't have the qx90c pro so I cannot check which batteries fit exactly. The stock batteries look like some generic 600mAh we used to use. The nanotech 750mAh have similar shape but I think they are thicker. All I can suggest is that you measure the battery slot and compare it to the dimensions of the batteries that are available.
can i use 2x1S 550mAh 50/100c with the eachine trashcan?
Yep but it will be a bit on the heavy side.
@@muteFPV thank you very much for the answer! i bought the 450mAh to try it , kind regards
You're welcome, I hope you like them!
I just subbed! I been looking for someone who does comparative analysis of fpv drone batteries.. I'm new to hobby and genuinely would like to know more. More bang for my buck! I'm mainly on 1s batteries now. Don't want to go crazy investing.. But in my Tinyhawk S, whats the general rule of thumb to get the most flight time and balanced performance in a battery? Like what's a good average to be watchful for i.e: 50/100 or 80/160c etc. And what about like 1100mAH 3.8V ? Is that good/safe/the best?
Hello! Weight is very important and greatly affects how the quad flies, especially when it is a micro quad. The sweet spot depends on a lot of things, ideally you would fly 450mAh batteries for the Tinyhawk S for a bit shorter but much more nimble flights. I wouldn't go more than 550mAh for the same reason. Using larger batteries (in weight and in capacity) means you have to carry that weight in flight and after a certain point it stops giving you more flight time.
I wonder about the results for XILO 550mAh 1s 50c High Voltage Lipo Battery (JST-PH 2.0) :/
We will both be wondering for a while, I don't intend to buy those - at least not any time soon.
Its funny that this channel is called "mute fpv" while implying that the others talked too much, but this is the channel I have to mute otherwise I just hear crappy music.
Other wise it's good stuff.
It is hard to satisfy everyone, especially when trying to find good royalty free music.
👍👍👍 great job
Thank you!
Can you fit 2 of these in a Mobular7 for 2s power?
Yes, ofcourse. There are a few 3D print designs for it, I haven't tried it though.
@@muteFPV sorry I mean like you can using the supplied happymodel 1s batteries or are these too big for that?
Yes, that is what I mean too, 2 of these batteries. But I think I have seen people use them on the V3 frame of the Mobula7.
@@muteFPV ah sorry I thought these were physically bigger than the happymodel 1s that come with the Mobular 7
They are. But they do fit. I will try to find the photos I had seen and make sure which frame version it was.
Hi, im trying to convert my two 1S battery to 2S for my tiny whoops. can you point me to some how to video? thanks for sharing you info .
You just connect them in series. Check my Mobula7 or Beta65 Pro 2 videos for example and watch how the battery leads are connected. If you mean to desolder the stock discharge leads and combined them into 2S packs permanently, it can be done too but I don't have a video in mind to share with you.
@@muteFPV thaks will do that.. 👍🏻
Wow that’s seems like a big job?
Hi Hoistaphillic! Which one do you mean?
@@muteFPV joining two 1s or just working on batteries in generalb
Odd that the URUAV 450mah batteries were so much heavier than the 550mah (and other 450mah's tested)
I see now later in the video that they are actually much higher capacity, that is also odd.
Thanks for all your work though, will be picking up the 550mah uruav when I can justify spending more.
Did you notice the significantly higher capacity that explains the weight? ;) I suspect there had been a mislabeled batch. Others reported same weight as mine, others much lower but with "normal" capacity.
Yep, the 550mAh URUAV is a good choice :)
@@muteFPV I wonder how the true 450mah capacity uruav batteries would compare.
Me too, although I already have plenty of 1S packs for the Tinyhawk. If I get my hands on them I will add them to the next shootout. At the moment planning a 2S shootout, waiting for LiPos to arrive.
Great testing! Thank you!!
You're welcome, I am happy you liked it!
So which is the best till now ?
Did you watch the end of the video?
@@muteFPV thanks for reminding me 😄
@@techvirus9541 :P
I needed this, thanks a lot.
You're welcome, I will try to do more shootouts like this :)
Thank you @Human :)
Μετά από τόσους μήνες, ποιές μπαταρίες συνεχίζουν να έχουν καλή απόδοση; ωραίο βίντεο για άλλη μια φορά!!
Σε ευχαριστώ :) Emax/GNB 450 και URUAV 550 θα πρότεινα.
@@muteFPV ευχαριστώ!
:) Για ποιό quad τις χρειάζεσαι; Tinyhawk;
@@muteFPV ναι, για το tinyhawk s! Το περιμένω :)
και η πλάκα είναι ότι τις μπαταρίες τις παράγγειλα πριν την απάντηση σου και ευτυχώς έπεσα μέσα. Πήρα τις gaoneng 450 και uruav 550MAH;). Χαιρετώ από Ηράκλειο Κρήτης!!
Χάθηκε η απάντησή σου στις ειδοποιήσεις, τώρα την είδα! Είμαι σίγουρος ότι θα μείνεις ικανοποιημένος και με τις δύο για 1S - δεν το έχω δοκιμάσει το Tinyhawk-S αλλά υποπτεύομαι ότι θα χρειαστείς κάτι ελαφρύ για 2S. Θα αλλάξεις το PH2.0 σε κάτι άλλο για 2S;
Супер! лучшее сравнение )
Hello! I am using the youtube creators app and cannot copy the text to translate it, what does it mean?
Second amazing video by you sir! (that I have seen so far!)
I hope the number grows ;) Thank you!
@@muteFPV oh it will! im getting into the drone world for the first time! take care, all the best!
You will have a great time :D
I was thinking about using a GNB or URUAV 450mAH or 550mAH for my tinyhawk 2 does anybody know which is best?
Excellent video Info! This is great info. Thanks so much for this.
You're welcome :)
awesome as always, thanks alot :)
You're welcome :)
If you like puffed lipos after 10 cycles go for the URUAV!
Damn, really? I have been happy with the 550mAh packs.
@@muteFPV I guess URUAV doesn't really always have same suppliers or own factories and just buy stuff on the chinese market and brand them with their own label (as seen with other products like chargers, components and stuff that are available under a variety of names). Mine were bought fairly recent. Edit: I just saw I already commented on this video when it came out :) but I mean the 550mah now ;)
Makes sense, my 450mAh packs of this test were probably a false/mislabeled batch of 750mAh :P
@@muteFPV I guess so. Or maybe two electrons in there got together and made more electrons, just like you :P
Great job!
Thank you! :D
Awesome, thank you!
You're welcome!
Ok... now which video can I watch to understand what all these numbers mean!? ;-)
:P I know I know, I should have done an explanatory video for my battery test series a long time ago.. Let me know if you need help with something specific :)
how is uruav 450mah battery really 730mah but the 550mah is only 538mah.. lol .. is this just a fluke?
According to feedback from other people, a few others got same as mine but many others got actual 450mAh cells. Maybe it was an issue of wrong labeling.
Screw the batteries. I am here for the tunes.
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Молодец. Супер👍👍👍👍
Thank you! :)
Nice. Just what I was waiting for. Just missing the URUAV 300mAh 40/80C HV 's in there. Spoiler Alert: They SUCK
I didn't want to include smaller batteries in this shootout, I have separate tests for "tiny whoop" sized stick batteries. Thanks for the feedback though, that is good to know :)
@@muteFPV I agree, they are not really relevant for us Pro-Flyers :). But it's what comes stock with these 2S whoops. Would be a nice baseline for comparison
noted ;)
Great video, but it's a shame that the speccs didn't include weight.
Check again, you probably skipped the average weight of each battery...
True but I personally find weight isn't that important for 2S whoops
muteFPV I saw it, though I'd liked it more to be all in one page. :) nonetheless, thanks for putting in the time to test these LiPos!
@Vincent you skipped it too? :P
@Nicolai I wanted to show that I weighed all samples so the footage was different. Plus I wanted the viewer to be able to see the weight of all the batteries at the same time.
Killer beat lol
The "lol" confuses me :P Did you actually like it?
Lol i really like it
I feel like im cruisin across the brooklyn bridge smokin a j listening to this shit lol
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Quit using commas as a decimal mark!
Quit thinking that this is the only way of doing so globally. I am from Europe and in most European countries comma is the decimal marker.