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  • Опубликовано: 27 янв 2025

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  • @stanfordsan
    @stanfordsan 2 года назад +38

    At this point it's hard to be excited for anything WB/DC announces. For years they couldn't decide what direction they want to take the films. Then Cavill announced his return to the role of superman, and I was excited to see what he could do with a traditional superman story. Then they cut Cavill loose, and I find myself apathetic to the whole thing.

    • @RyuGekin
      @RyuGekin 2 года назад +4

      Full agree bro. Amen!

    • @LucLightWolf121
      @LucLightWolf121 2 года назад

      Ditto.

    • @Parker402
      @Parker402 2 года назад +1

      Yeah I agree. If they hadn't done the Cavill post credit scene in Black Adam, I think people would be a little less upset. There would still be people wishing he would be able to come back but the fact that they announced he was coming back and then were like "just kidding" only like 2 months later made the situation worse

  • @pkill23
    @pkill23 2 года назад +9

    The fact Gunn went right to insulting the fanbase in the "how to get woke and go broke" handbook, gives you a clue how bad things are going to get

  • @filmgoblin5016
    @filmgoblin5016 2 года назад +10

    It’s like I said before James Gunn has a massive tall order to deliver something right out of the gate that’ll unite all fandoms together and I just don’t think he can deliver on that. They tried to do that with Joss Whedon and it failed to the point it damaged the DCEU.

    • @Rahk5929
      @Rahk5929 2 года назад +4

      Agreed with the Whedon comment. What was the rush to bring in a director to take over Synder who had the vision and totally butcher JL. Greed. DC just wanted it out to reap the benefits of the box office. Synder should have been allowed his bereavement, clear his head and unleash JL to the world.

  • @Mattyslice44
    @Mattyslice44 2 года назад +1

    Short time listener, first time commenter: keep up the great work man. Relatable feelings and quality content.

  • @mewgiah8057
    @mewgiah8057 2 года назад +3

    I didn't care for Black Adam, but everything James Gunn is doing so far is awful. Yes, there is no problem with rebooting a franchise that has struggled. In fact, that is the BEST option at this point. However, you can reboot things - while still keeping key actors or versions of certain characters around. Gunn's scorched earth policy is a MAJOR mistake, and is pushing away the only fans DC had to began with.
    People forget, but not every DC movie was a bomb. And not every DC character was bad. The real issue was that most of the films had awful screenplays and weak directional leadership. Henry Cavill was a perfect Superman, for example, but was severely let down by scripts. When it comes to comic book movies or any genre that has a passionate fan base, it's important to build off established and beloved characters to respect your audience
    Walking into DC and destroying everything that has been established is just a slap in the face to the fandom who have been loyal this whole time (despite all the ups and downs). It's especially a bad look when Gunn is keeping his own projects alive, and being hypocritical by allowing some heroes to have "stand-alone films separate from the main lineup", while not allowing others. Again, I know DC was struggling and wasn't doing as well as Marvel. But the DC films still had a massive fan base, and had successful elements to it.
    Gunn should have kept the good things that people had already been invested in, and then cut the rest of the fat to do a reboot. But instead he's just torn everything down, and is shocked when millions of fans are upset and angry about it.

  • @frankiew1309
    @frankiew1309 2 года назад +4

    Agree with you about the outcry. Gunn and Safran aren’t the only ones who are
    Passionate about DC and it’s characters: no need to be disrespectful, agree with that, but you get more bees with honey than with vinegar.

  • @kidz919
    @kidz919 2 года назад +5

    I agree wholeheartedly with you bro. I actually am in the camp of no reboot. I'm gonna say why. One of the things that DC has been good at is their casting. To just wipe that out just because of WB themselves not having a true plan for the universe is bullshit. I actually would be fine with a reboot only if they were keeping the actors.

    • @kingkashi5151
      @kingkashi5151 2 года назад

      DC has been good in their casting? Ezra Miller, Amber heard, Jared Leto. Like seriously? DC has been dead ever since that abominable josstice league came out. I support James Gunn, a reboot is long overdue.😂😂😂

    • @kidz919
      @kidz919 2 года назад

      @@kingkashi5151 So you're going to mention those but not the really good castings like Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Gal Gadot, Jason Mamoa, Margot Robbie, Dwayne Johnson, Joaquin Phoenix, and countless others? No I don't support a reboot and I don't support pedos. James Gunn needs to bounce 🤨🙄

    • @kingg_shuffle3513
      @kingg_shuffle3513 2 года назад

      Their casting is shit hence why most of the movies don’t hit

  • @Lightguardian_HOH
    @Lightguardian_HOH 2 года назад +6

    This Universe is not even going to rise from the ground I promise you that

  • @Hades69099
    @Hades69099 Год назад +1

    5:56 "You're going to do what you want? Well I'm going to do what I want and keep my money in my pocket" well said

  • @kamenrangerzeo8251
    @kamenrangerzeo8251 2 года назад +2

    I have never seeing a studio in such disarray like James Gunn in Peter saffron's "DC Studios" where they can even say what they want to say because the Warner Brother hydrops doesn't want them to reveal the truth.
    We had such promising films even before all this mess had happened I.E Tim Burton's Batman 89 to Batman Returns, followed by the Joel Schumacher (R.I.P.) Batman Forever and yes even the awful Batman and Robin to the Christopher Nolan Dark Knight trilogy. Then you had the Richard Donner Superman films to the one shot Bryan Singer Superman Returns and then finally Green Lantern.

  • @wonderlust2177
    @wonderlust2177 2 года назад +3

    Gunn is just another egomaniacal clown, same with Cameron, their creativity pales in comparison to simple fan-fics you can find online.

  • @Karlazune
    @Karlazune 2 года назад +3

    Great video man you are always on point. I think there is another worry. What if they decide to change the characters to "modernise" them and they can't even draw people who did spend to see the movies. The last few marvel movies/series haven't held my attention and I have been into this stuff my entire life. Anyway have a good holiday break. Take care

  • @sweetyeetus
    @sweetyeetus 2 года назад +1

    Great take as always, but that Green Lantern outfit? Bruh, you didn't need to flex on us that hard XD

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 года назад

      I appreciate it & yes I did bro...I had to 😆 😎

  • @Parker402
    @Parker402 2 года назад

    @4:25 I think it is important that you made the distinction between the different factions of people who are upset. There are the Snyderverse fans, the Henry Cavill fans, and the people who simply didn't want to see a full reboot of the DC universe. Sometimes people want to lump in the different groups into one thing and act like they are all mad about the same thing but that isn't true

  • @Lightguardian_HOH
    @Lightguardian_HOH 2 года назад +5

    Man that Black Adam theme was 🔥 though

  • @bensonchotamutale9683
    @bensonchotamutale9683 2 года назад +2

    You are right bro loving the reaction

  • @dandaman2323
    @dandaman2323 2 года назад +1

    Excellent breakdown and analysis of the current state of DCU/DCEU 🙌🏻 Not an enviable task, especially since the current regime is inheriting all the previous regime's blunders and missteps... but unifying the fandom should be the top priority.

  • @redorwhatever3631
    @redorwhatever3631 2 года назад +1

    I liked the highway analogy!

  • @Rahk5929
    @Rahk5929 2 года назад +1

    I'm sure Gunn, as both a director and writer, looked at the current state of DC in its entirety and could not foresee a future of movies to come. Therefore a reboot is required to create and establish a properly formed, fluid and connected universe. I myself as a fan of DC and a amateur screenwriter, reading/ studying multiple books and spec/ shooting scripts, I understand from his perspective. You are correct. DC is a mess regardless of being teased of Cavill's return as Superman giving fans false hope. IE Joker was an incredible movie but why was it forced not to be connected to the DCEU? He's an arch enemy of Batman, yet the movie itself created its own universe as well with Matt Reeves' The Batman. As for The Rock/ Black Adam, the director/ direction was the problem having no vision. The script was weak and highlighted The Rock portraying Black Adam, not Black Adam as a DC character like Cavill or Affleck did with Superman and Batman. As I mentioned on a previous post, it was an action movie, not a comic book adaption like Man of Steel. The Synderverse continuation can only be blamed on DC management (prior to Gunn) who had no clue how to maintain the DCEU and move it forward. They were greedy for money after seeing Marvel 10 steps ahead of them while they were just starting out again. Was Superman Returns not supposed to be a start of new DCEU following Reeves' movies? Yet they tanked it, regardless of it being good or not, and waited 8 years to release Man of Steel. Another prime example, Batman and Robin with its fluorescent environment and Bat-nips. Thankfully Nolan gave us Bale/ Batman Trilogy which you would think DC had smartened up and were headed in the right direction, but they had no plan in place from the get-go (IE a DCEU Story Board containing all the key DC Characters), whereas Marvel did (I'm assuming) starting with RDJ as Ironman which setup the entire Marvel Universe. Another great post @The Kool Section. Everyone, including myself, were anxiously waiting for the conclusion of the Synderverse, however at this point we will just have to wait and see it unfold going forward

  • @TheMightyCookieShow
    @TheMightyCookieShow 2 года назад +1

    But on the other hand it's my understanding that not very many people were all into the dceu so I don't know why it's a problem that he's trying to reboot it all or go a different direction and at the same time all the footworks been done for the old DCU so we wouldn't have to go through all that origin s*** again

  • @coffeebeardtv
    @coffeebeardtv 2 года назад +2

    Sir you have an amazing voice

  • @zzeclipse
    @zzeclipse 2 года назад

    You always have excellent takes! Earned yourself a new follower, bro! Keep up the excellent work.

  • @dje.z.e9091
    @dje.z.e9091 2 года назад

    Ok I like this channel... Subbed!

  • @mikeb9984
    @mikeb9984 2 года назад +3

    Because of the reboot I will not be spending another dime seeing these movies.

  • @anothername2
    @anothername2 2 года назад +4

    Marvel has their s together. Something was below expectation? They don't care; they marched on. People have confidence in them. DC goes in panic mode after every movie, changing everything around. The Zass & Gunn could have shown they got it; the failure of Black Adam would had been a golden opportunity to show they got it. Instead they showed they are just as weak as ever. Gunn writing fancy words does not change anything. Talk is cheap; it always was. As soon as one movie flops in their all new long term plan DCU its all over panik, changes and reboots again.

    • @kidz919
      @kidz919 2 года назад +1

      Exactly. Im sick of this shit. James Gunn already is annoying me with his dumb ass tweets and his ideas going forward I'm not feeling. A young Superman? Sorry but I don't need that. I already seen enough of that

  • @PerfectTroy1
    @PerfectTroy1 2 года назад +1

    We all wondered what the consequences of rushing the DCEU into existence would be (e.g. - BvS, Justice League), and now we are seeing the second and third order consequences of confusion, massive loss of goodwill, and dead end projects.

  • @johnmanzano753
    @johnmanzano753 2 года назад +2

    If DC don't get it together and bring back the actors who were making the blockbuster films bringing back the good directors DC1 about it's gonna fail and Disney and Marvel are going to succeed and then there will be no more success especially the main character Superman Batman and Wonder Woman is a sad It's a sad sad day I agree on it 100% don't reboot don't listen to the idiots

  • @hobbiesfordays499
    @hobbiesfordays499 2 года назад +1

    Totally agree with you. I will not watch the upcoming DC films that are dead in the water. They are in a transitional period and it will take years for them to prove themselves worthy of my time and money.

  • @hidden1rogue
    @hidden1rogue 2 года назад +3

    As much as it sucks to lose Cavill as Superman; the sad reality is the DC brand has too much negative baggage when it comes to the casual audience.
    And at this point the DCEU is so convoluted and fractured that it makes sense to reboot entirely.

    • @hidden1rogue
      @hidden1rogue 2 года назад

      Great videos by the way, Kool Section! I've been watching your content for a while now and it's always great to hear your opinions!

  • @intuitivecoder3481
    @intuitivecoder3481 2 года назад +2

    I think I'm just more upset about the waste of talent. Let's be honest, after Batman vs Superman, I had no hope for this rendition of Justice League. A reboot was inevitable, fingers crossed I suppose. I want some Green Lantern redemption.

  • @DoctorDave5
    @DoctorDave5 2 года назад +1

    It seems like Hollywood is constantly airing its dirty linen these days. Makes me miss the days when they just tried to entertain as broad an audience as possible. Maybe Gunn will bring something new and exciting to the table but it looks like it will be with none of the stars we’ve seen before.

  • @jeremiahcolon2050
    @jeremiahcolon2050 2 года назад +1

    I'm not supporting a reboot James gunn has no respect for the fans, he pretty much sent the 4 DC movies next year to there death. If he wanted a reboot so bad then he should've at least kept the actors the same especially Henry when fans have been begging for years to bring him back

  • @anthonycorcino6700
    @anthonycorcino6700 2 года назад +1

    Hey man, where do you buy your hats from?

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 года назад

      Superherostuff has some good ones available. I find others at Lids, local comic shops & amazon sometimes.

  • @UsserError
    @UsserError 2 года назад +2

    The Rock is always awesome. this was not the Rocks failure. This was a failure by the writers and show runners. Hollywood just sucks.

    • @charzanboo9940
      @charzanboo9940 2 года назад +2

      Rocky is a gloryhog though and has a bad decision-making sense. The guy endorsed Biden and Kamala enuff said...

  • @Spr0cter
    @Spr0cter 2 года назад +1

    You are absolutely right. DC made the biggest mistake by trying to be what marvel was, instead of trying to establish their own style based off years of great stories. Doomed from the start.

  • @firrycel
    @firrycel 2 года назад +1

    fck the universe , we should have a reboot of superman with henry cavill in it and after that movie think about the next 2 movies and so on

  • @chrislodge7437
    @chrislodge7437 2 года назад

    I just watched BA after knowing it didn't fair well. So going into I had lower expectations. I was pleasantly surprised. The movie wasn't the best but the character is amazing. I hope we get at least one more with DC main characters.

  • @CoachBrando
    @CoachBrando 2 года назад

    Did we all forget that The Rock said he wants to take an extended break from movie making to spend time with family the moment his movie released?

  • @sotosotoa8120
    @sotosotoa8120 2 года назад +1

    I hoped that DC would reboot since they're going to keep Ezra Miller as the flash for flash point .I'm not giving up my money for that movie. I would pay to see a new actor as the flash, for flash point. Also what bothers me is that they're keeping Zachary...... as Shazam. And I don't know why, that version of Shazam is annoying. Robert Patersons batman is better and I don't like him because he wanted to do his thing without reading up on batman. And the movie was good. But I say, reboot everything and save the flash point for later.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 года назад

      I can see them getting rid of Ezra and Levi after their movies are released. They probably don't want to announce and departures from them because they feel it'll hurt their box office even more than it already may be. I see Ezra being gone for sure after The Flash is out. IF Levi sticks around, it's only because he's buddies with Safran & Gunn.

  • @leonnarddavis
    @leonnarddavis 2 года назад

    The reboot, aka Drastic Measures, needed to be taken...
    Clearly all the things that were done before hasn't worked, and lead to this predicament.
    I know I'll be there in my seat to watch the new DC, and I'm pretty sure you will be too.

  • @ebenjamin24
    @ebenjamin24 2 года назад

    All facts! 💪🏾🤙🏾👍🏾

  • @notrandom2
    @notrandom2 2 года назад

    They are so late. They should have closed the doors after the first fuck up. You know what I'm referring to.... the "Martha" fiasco. Enough time would have passed to start a new.

  • @108dragon247
    @108dragon247 2 года назад

    DC can make great stand alone movies like Joker and The Batman. Man of Steel was the absolute best Superman for my generation. We were robbed they teased us with Henry Cavill coming back only to see him get kicked to the curb. That ain’t right, that ain’t cool and that won’t fly with me.

  • @thearthurmarston9897
    @thearthurmarston9897 2 года назад

    One shxtshow after the other. Not surprising at all when it comes to WB. I genuinely dont understand why its SO difficult for them to make elseworld/multiverse stories 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @Cardan011
    @Cardan011 2 года назад +1

    Once I heard Cavil was out of being Superman I don’t care no more… was excited to see Black Adam, liked it. Wasn’t the best superhero movie but it wasn’t bad either.

  • @macgruberyahfrigginturds7044
    @macgruberyahfrigginturds7044 2 года назад

    Only one way to save DC and that's to bring back the swamp thing dammit.....

  • @illentertainment710
    @illentertainment710 2 года назад +1

    Also alot of the normies tht don't care about the reboot and everything are probably not gonna even support the new universe even if they do The Hardcore Fans are the ones who pay to see the film multiple times support the movie through word of mouth memes etc normies might check it out once and call it a day it's dumb asf to favor normies who might watch the movie once I don't hear normies talking about MCU movies after they seen it they may say I saw it was good and tht it it's the hardcore fans who discuss the film and debate way after the movie release this is just a Mess

  • @unsaltedkiddo3150
    @unsaltedkiddo3150 2 года назад

    I just want to the see the batman family on screen

  • @batsuperhuman
    @batsuperhuman 2 года назад

    I think it's time for the people champ to come back to wrestling

  • @robobert4681
    @robobert4681 2 года назад

    Blue beetle and Shazam are connected he is produced by Peter safran.

  • @corygraney8556
    @corygraney8556 2 года назад +1

    Its a win-win regardless. Haters will spend the money to see the movie, just so they can trash it. Its the Howard Stern effect.

    • @mejw1
      @mejw1 2 года назад +1

      I BET YOU NO ONE IS GOING TO SEE THE MOVIES

    • @corygraney8556
      @corygraney8556 2 года назад

      @@mejw1 I bet they do. I bet they do more than the current DC universe

    • @LucLightWolf121
      @LucLightWolf121 2 года назад

      @@corygraney8556 Keep believing that pipe dream.

  • @zombieraccoon3226
    @zombieraccoon3226 2 года назад +1

    One of the main thing is get the woke politics out hire better writers and directors that really love the subject matter
    Finally tell the actors to shut up and keep their personal politics out
    We want to be entertained

  • @brentrazz6355
    @brentrazz6355 2 года назад

    It better be good. I hope for them. Because if it's ass. They will get crushed.
    Like star wars they are gonna have a fan problem. Andor situation. Some love it some won't watch like me.

  • @ЮрійЯкубовський-й3к

    DC is a Mess. Not Actors and Movies. WB Stuff is a Mess. They just doing Idiotic Decisions. When doing rigth chose - its really like Sensation!!!

  • @JettMann8
    @JettMann8 2 года назад

    Dude what the HELL is James Gunn actually DOING?!

  • @brandennfinch
    @brandennfinch 2 года назад

    He's old lol
    No way they're putting him as the face now
    Maybe 8 years ago

  • @RyuGekin
    @RyuGekin 2 года назад

    To be fair to the rock, no one's movies did well.
    Black Adam: bomb
    Black Panther. 2: bomb
    Avatar 2: bomb
    With inflation, no one is going to the movies. If I have to choose between black Adam or my children's Christmas gifts..... Sorry rock...

  • @madmagyver9981
    @madmagyver9981 2 года назад +2

    Thank goodness!
    The rock plays a superhero in every movie already. Jason Momoa cannot act.
    Gal Gadot cannot act.

  • @LC-cq5um
    @LC-cq5um 2 года назад

    I don’t see why everyone is hating on black Adam it was a good movie

  • @mejw1
    @mejw1 2 года назад

    DCU is Dead on Arrival when the next movies come out I PROMISE YOU THAT!!!!! there isnt enough people to support your projects anymore, YOU PISSED THEM ALL OFF!!!!

  • @EmperorDxD
    @EmperorDxD 2 года назад

    I like what You said I'm done with DC Tho it started with the comics it's completely shit now Superman now adays if he needs a solution he can't beat all he needs to do is punch harder shit writing
    And DC movie I'm done I can't keep on hoping for something that never gonna happen gun will not be able to run a studio he has too much twitter fingers and I'm not interested in a young Superman or Batman

  • @wonderlust2177
    @wonderlust2177 2 года назад

    Scrap entire cinematic universe, but still plans to release "Velma" ... I can't imagine hating money and your fans that much?!?

  • @Anthony-ib3hr
    @Anthony-ib3hr Год назад

    I felt he was a great Black Adam. But the movie sucked. Poorly written and VERY bad choice of villains. To use the Intergang and that stupid demon guy at the end was just dumb. Why use a group of guys that shoot guns at a man that is impervious to bullets instead of using someone that can give him a real fight. As for the heroes, I loved Hawk Man and Dr. Fate. Atom Smasher was...ok. Think they could have wrote him better. Nothing against a female roll, but that girl character was boring. Should have made her someone else. I would welcome the idea of Rock coming back at some point.

  • @Will-lh2ce
    @Will-lh2ce 2 года назад +1

    I have moved on LONG time ago. Honestly I gave up on DC for a long time. These directors trying to go woke.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 года назад

      I see where you're coming from. Did you put anything in it's place?

  • @CarolCityCane305
    @CarolCityCane305 2 года назад

    Don’t think anyone is going to miss the rock as black Adam….he’s a terrible actor anyways

  • @JodysCorner
    @JodysCorner 2 года назад +1

    Bruh, there only ONE GROUP he is talking about.
    We know what that group is.

    • @TheKoolSection
      @TheKoolSection  2 года назад

      Bro, there's no way that group are the only ones doing that. The Fire James Gunn hashtag has to be one of the most disrespectful things someone could say towards him & I saw people saying it for more reasons than what your referring to. Some did use the usual hashtag to restorethesynderse, but I saw many who had gripes for the reasons I mentioned.

    • @JodysCorner
      @JodysCorner 2 года назад

      @@TheKoolSection Youre choosing to make it about another group. James is talking about ONE group. There is no other groups. They may be small factions of people, but NOT an identified group like the SnyderCult

  • @joshseane9830
    @joshseane9830 2 года назад

    The only option is to reboot. If the new DCU movies are good eventually those fans who are on the fences or in opposition of the reboot will eventually come back. If the movies are NOT GOOD, James Gunn and his partner will get fired and we start over again. It is as simple as that. For now lets all just wait for the January movie slate and plan for the DCU. NUFF SAID!!!

  • @jacynmiller3555
    @jacynmiller3555 2 года назад +1

    Ppl may sit home to start. But if Gunn hit and critics rave, the fans will be back in droves. It's a gamble, but Gunn strikes me as a person who goes all in.

  • @MrNocturnalEmission
    @MrNocturnalEmission 2 года назад +1

    We're entering the James Gunn verse.

  • @johngalbraith9156
    @johngalbraith9156 2 года назад +1

    This is what DC needed.

    • @mejw1
      @mejw1 2 года назад +2

      SAYS NO ONE!!!!!

    • @LucLightWolf121
      @LucLightWolf121 2 года назад +1

      So it needed to be dead on arrival.
      Got you. Say no more.

  • @robobert4681
    @robobert4681 2 года назад

    Honestly if anyone can build the universe it’s James Gunn

    • @mejw1
      @mejw1 2 года назад +1

      DUDE, HE DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE!!!!

  • @Name.is2
    @Name.is2 2 года назад

    So true, I’ve been watching every movie at theater just to provide support, with what he did I’m sitting at home and waiting for him to crash and burn. It’s those of us that went that supported DC, so don’t care and won’t even watch any DC movies going forward.

  • @n.d.4038
    @n.d.4038 2 года назад +1

    I tried watching Black Adam 2 times and couldn't get through it. I love the Rock but this movie was not good.