Ready or Not is a good game, but it will never fully scratch the itch of launch siege since it doesnt have pvp (to my knowledge) or destruction to the level of siege
its also really sad seeing the direction VOID took with RON. horrible AI, ai generated art, horrible 1.0 release with a DLC right after, etc. RON feels like a prototype, and it makes me pissed.
Fortnite is partially at fault here. It gave shooter devs this impression that cameos and character skins are where the money is at. Instead of content and balancing updates. Similar thing happened to Cod.
every long running tittle has to evolve to keep its audience, skins are part of that, nobody would pay for recolor skins, they want different uniform, animated skins. siege is still a toned down version of other shooters compared to other games like cod, it's full blown animated galore, and not a military fps game anymore
Honestly it isn't a matter of it WILLINGLY toning that down. It's most likely if they added the crazy shit you see in Valorant or COD the game would shit itself. That or the new skins would just make you invisible as they tend to have some every update they add any.
I will always support non realistic decisions that will improve the quality of the game for balancing. However the UwU anime girls and certain pandering really kills it for me.
@@spagettete_obviously that’s not the point, if people want to see anime girls then they should idk, watch anime or play some game like Fortnite, but to be dedicated to being grounded with reality for over 5 years then for them to go and ruin it. It’s pretty clear they only pander because siege is really the only game keeping Ubisoft above water.
I would agree. Like the reinforcements just appearing out of thin air and stuff like that that people used to complain about is fine. Its just like you said the skins and lore that ruins it for me
@@SmolAndAngyyy hey, leave the duckies out of this…. But come on bro, there’s a difference between running around with a tiny pickle dangling from your gun then a whole pickle Rick gassing the enemies 💀
Trying to make the game lore heavy while being a multiplayer only was a mistake. It's like trying to give CS:GO a deep lore and trying to make sense of everything that's happening in game. They tried to do what Overwatch did by being a lore heavy multiplayer game. Difference is that whole premise of Overwatch was bright and colorful heroes with unique personalities interacting with each other. Meanwhile R6 is about counter terrorism unit doing hostage rescues and bomb defusing. They should've just added a single player campaign if they wanted to add lore to the game
Couldn't agree more. If they're spending so much time building a storyline and lore then where is that in the game? Aside from the goofy cinematics that I skip every season, the "lore" is completely absent from the game. In fact they've removed useful lore concepts like Ela and Zofia attributes. I was always hopeful that eventually the game's lore would coincide with the release of a multi-player co-op missions mode where you battle the White Masks, like Article 5 mission at Bartlett University. It wasn't perfect but I played that over and over for the fun of having an extended mission while matchmaking with random people and having a blast. Where is that story line? Why did we go from that to operators with robot arms, cyborg operators, fantasy space weapons, etc.
I left the game after the season where Flores dropped because of school and just a lack of desire to keep relearning maps and ops. Coming back in 2024 before the skopos season I felt like I had never even touched the game other than I remembered some maps
To me the most disappointing part about the lore is the overall pacing. They deploy the story over the course of a year using one CGI animation, 4 short animations and 4 comics. While the animations are connected to the comics withhin the same season, they seem to barely relate outside of the season. It is almost like writers want to explore a cool story about a character but they get distracted by their new favourite toy (the next operator). An example would be nighthavens absence while team rainbow was hunting deimos. Considering the trouble he caused nighthaven I expect nighthaven to do more than to wait until deimos is arrested to show up again inform of having osa being the creator of talos and colossus.
When it comes to realistic aesthetics, what the devs should do is something similar to MWIII where the base design of operators features a "mil-sim" design while the DLC outfits are more unrealistic
Thanks for talking about this. Siege at is core is great, but the games direction and identity is so lost in the sauce I don’t even know what direction the devs want the game to go in
I absolutely love this game and have 5000 plus hours in it over the years, but the game is so far gone from its original roots and doesn’t even deserve to have “Tom Clancy” in its name anymore
Here's the most baffling thing about Siege's current direction. They HAD Single player missions. They HAD PvE coop. They RUNINED it through various updates, but then decided to try to go BACK to the gritty feel that their old vision was, and instead of trying to improve the existing single player missions, add more PvE coop missions using the already existing models they made for the cinematics, they just removed both the existing Single Player and coop maps, and replaced them with two inferior "warmup" options
I miss when seasons had themes, each season had its own art and theme inspired by the country of origin for the new ops, or the operation as a whole in the case of Outbreak and Grim Sky, from the maps, the weapons the ops are using which is also used by their CTUs, the music, the animated intro main screen we used to have (press any key), and the seasonal weapon skins themselves, after 2019, it all went downhill not just the balancing, but thematically as well, you can really see it with the battle pass, I don't remember a single battle pass that has a consistent theme across all its items, it just shows that they put random bundles to fill the BPs, and don't get me started with the universall weapon skins included there, they are awful And the name change, the awful UI, the operator designs (which got really good I won't lie), the map reworks that get rid of what made the old map unique (Oregon), god, what with Ubisoft downgrading the things that made me love their games
Not having realistic-looking ops is what kills it for me. I first started to play R6 back before Blackbeard came out and it was great to see how much they tried to copy somewhat accurate attire for ops. Honestly, that part of the game alone helped me stay even with the constant 200ms ping on asia servers (they had very few datacenters in asia back then. You had to force it to connect to the lowest ping server via notepad).
I wish they would let you turn skins off. I love the original idea of real counter terrorism units coming together to train with eachother and fight real threats. And having each season be based around a new country would have been super cool. I just hope that ubi will give us a proper rainbow six game at some point
Back in like 2017-2018 when i tought of the most realistic tactical game it was r6 siege, it was my favorite game ever back then, look at what they did to my boy.
The Fenrir argument is such a bad faith argument, because if you took 30 seconds to read his lore you’d see that he’s not even a soldier, he’s just a scientist assisting Rainbow, so obviously his visual design is going to be different
Nah man, i fully blame fortnite for it. And the devs being dumbasses. Edit: i fell in love with the game when i first saw the trailer during E3. And i knew that one day i will play the game and i did. I continued playing for years until it started to lose its touch... i think it was the same season night haven was introduced. And it PAINS me to see a game that i loved so much become unrecognisable. It almost looks like a circus if not actually look like it. And I dont think it can come back from it. Unless they want to make a sequel out of it. Its not friendly for new comers or returning players, like at all. Everything just feels off about it.
Ngl it started non realistic. An operator using Gas, and Operator with a frost mat, an operator with a car battery. I mean even later seasons, a claw that shocks walls, a scanner that can see people through walls, flammable containers that go on walls, a big drone that only scans someone when they move, a nano bot that heals everyone. It’s been on an unreal experience to start with. It’s competitive not realistic
Stadium maps have been terrible. Why make a map that you release knowing it's so imbalanced and disjointed that the team knows it is never even going to implement into competitive ranked gameplay?
If Ubisoft cared about their fans, they'd make an E3 version of Siege with a new engine and build current siege off that but make current siege free. Also, giving an e3 version of siege a level based pve would be cool.
I've played since y8 s1 but can tell the game really started to become a hero shooter or a unrealistic game when iana released. But its officially been gone since sens released.
I like how the game is now but it was also very good before nothing like It, it showed a new side of competitive shooters. Very realistic and competitive in the sense you were actually immersed and felt like you were a actual operator I could see me and my friends liking it way more than how siege is now but both are good
This shift honestly doesn't full surprise me. Especially when you understand the bizzare shifts in management for these titles that have been live for a good chunk of time. There is a core vision but once something that isnt fully intended or was a mistake ends up drawing in more poeple and with that money. So why try to nuture the audience you where casting a small net for when you can go bigger and pull in a larger haul. For us who love that tactical/milsim aesthetic and gameplay, seige and other shooters are no longer made for us. It sucks but the quicker we can accept some of our beloved titles are no longer for us the better we can branch out and experience projects and games that are made for our tastes.
Ngl, a Siege gameplay on a Ubi Open World Single Player/Coop slop would be kinda insteresting, this if they focus on a good writing that resembles old Tom Clancy Story's
I haven’t played since operation Health, whenever that was, and I had no idea that most of this lore existed. Early siege was special, hence why I clocked more than 1000 hrs on it, but what it’s become holds zero interest for me. Just about the only thing I could think of that would possibly have me check it out again would be an OG recruit only mode, but since they made recruit an actual operator that seems like it would never happen.
Looking into this, and explaining how the down fall really came to be is like pulling on the heart strings you can't help but understand/agree how Siege is slowly losing the players/the people who enjoy the lore/game. I am someone of both worlds including having some sort of Military training myself, put in my prospective I can agree with this statement of Siege is just losing its identity, and it will continue to get worse over time without anyone "The people who still continue to play Siege" to even bate an eye. The player base is at a all time low similar to CoD where stuff will continue to not make any total sense while also trying to figure out what made the game good which is what most if not all companies are going through right now. I know I shouldn't compare it because I maybe get flamed or hated on it but XDefiant showed us what a game really is including what it needed in the first place but since we're in this mind set of different things compare to reality it never went well, and will continue not to go well. Its even worse when people are now just cheating out of no where including monetization those cheats, RUclipsrs/Streamers using those cheaters while hiding the fact they are cheating, and overall just the quality to improve something correct rather it be the Anti Cheat, The Game Overall, Or the just general sense of the game itself everything will soon fall into nothing. Just games that will faded into memory/hall of shame being known for the worse game out there.
I'm pretty sure they removed Bartlett because it was trash. Not because it was a school. Don't come at me with rose tinted glasses either. The map was objectively terrible to play.
I gotta be honest, as a portuguese guy...I'm more than pissed with ubi after what they did to Tubarao. It's disgusting how they force the (Non binary bs) into a "tactical fps" and even worse..is this how they see portuguese special forces?? I still like the game but wtf has this game become
I definitely think games need to think of collabs that make sense. Fortnite can literally do whatever they want. Dead by daylight and fnaf collab coming 2025 makes sense cause they're both horror games. Running around as Mr meseeks from Rick and Morty on Ace doesn't make any sense and I never expected that collab. The Dead By Daylight skins in siege make sense though cause kapkan got trapper skin and he's a trap op and finka got huntress because finka is resilient just like huntress in her lore and makes me actuallly enjoy using her.
I really dislike their mishandling of any lore they try to implement. Original concepts like lore behind Ela and Zofia translated to each of them being less susceptible to the concussive devices they wield, which is cool to uniquely identify and align them with portions of their lore. They've removed relevant attributes like that and implemented stupid aspects of irrelevant lore like different operators having personal fueds and vendettas that have no bearing or relevancy to gameplay. This is further evidenced in the useless "factions" they've decided each operator has aligned with, while those factions having, again, 0 relation to game play. The lore of R6 is stupid and disconnected. It's an afterthought that doesn't appeal to the original players of the early days and I'm actually not sure how these additions and subtractions of lore are supposed to be received.
I really aren't super bothered by cosmetics. They are of personal tastes and they are actually the least important thing when discussing the games' identity. But I still think its worth discussing their effects on it. The lore, marketing, and balancing are much more damning
I feel like Siege changing so much is less the Devs not knowing their audience or their direction, but instead reacting to the evolution of the games industry. If it had remained as a hardcore tac shooter falling into the veins of the ARMA series, then with the world moving onto fact paced, colourful, vibrant and most of all easy to pick up and play like Apex, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch etc, etc. If it had remained how it was, Siege would have fallen into obscurity and become a niche title with even less players. The sad fact here is that we can't have it both ways. We can't have an amazing, gritty, dark and true tac Sim game and have a super popular shooter that brings lots of players to thrive. If it stayed obscure, then we would have far, far less players and eventually they would have to either let the game due or shift from a GAAS model to paid updates, DLC and Operators which would divide the fans and push it further into the grave. But it catering to more people means it had to become easier to look at, easier to play and less of a milsim allowing more players and thus a thriving game.
They even got two collabs with Arknights, but at least they got the whole combat thing going on with R6 fused together with Arknights' world quite nicely when it comes to the storylines. Some of the Arknights skins for R6 operators seemed a little too... funny (I'm looking at you Ash), but it's tame in comparison to the absolute chaotic mess Siege has with its cosmetics these days.
I played “PRIME SEIGE” back than even before finka and lion and lemme tell you this shit was so fucking ass back than😭😭😭😭 . . I remember being a casual and everyone would play so fuckin slow. Than you’d instantly be killed from 3 bullets and youd have to wait basically 10 minutes for that one round to end. . The most fun i had back than was with my friends tking each other; all shield/recruit squads; tachanka; killing the hostage; and house and plane maps which were by no coincidence the fastest playing maps in the game 😭😭😭😭 . . Also the skins/ outfit back than were just plain ol police uniforms and when you played hours of seige youd get bored aff looking at the same ol thing. . Once that sparkles and rainbow event/ chimera event came with those skins that was a great thing for skins. . Cuz if you like it or not 80% of the players dont gaf about realism/lore. . The game is much more enjoyable now and i rather play this than old seige 100% of the time . If they really wanted to slow down the offensive playstyle i would probably give people a third barbwire or make bigger. Or fuh it make it barbed wire basekit like reinforcemened walls . And maybe give setup time like 10 extra seconds
I don't see why not. Knowing how irrelevant to gameplay the lore has become I doubt they'd even remove them from the game. It's simply for the cinematics and comics they're making.
I from Portugal and waited years for an operator and a map. We got Tubarao that doesn't represent nothing related to Portugal and a generic map with an unknown location...
In my opinion it lost its identity when they start remaking classic maps because the pros did not like them not adding new weapons and adding LGTV characters removing spawn peeks oh yeah they remove the terrorist bomber because it's problematic lol i mean come
They listened too much to the eaports autisits that only know how to optimize the fun out of the games they play and DEI representatives with the constant barrage of queers the last 4 years and now a legit wheelchair op.
It lost its identity when it went woke a couple of years back with the inclusion of the LGBTQ characters...... like can they just be soldiers fighting eachother without us knowing how rough their childhood past was?
this is fundamentally a silly argument in no way you'd ever found out any of the characters are lgbtq if all you wanted to do was seeing soldiers fighting eachother...? to know if someone's lgbtq like cav or osa you'd have to look into the lore plus so what? dude u said it urself it's just people fighting eachother, no ones forcing their rough past into you
@@FBI-lk2wn all im saying is do we need to know if an operator is bisexuality or queer? Are we just gonna ignore that one event we're they are celebrating pride month with the pink outfits? I don't have anything against LGBTQ im just comparing it to other first person shooters.... sorry if I offended you guys. That wasn't my intention lol
Okay. I would understand if the game shifted into a message pushing woke dumpster fire. But it isnt, lgbt operators doesnt make the game worse and there isnt even any game changes other than the operators info, if the gay ops were like 200 health or some shit i would get it.
Its been the better part of a decade since the game came out. I think theyve just forgot about their roots. They lost their vision and started doing what every other game is doing these days. I think they forgot what people like me got into this game for. I didn't want a fast-paced hero shooter. I wanted a slower, strategic game, playing as an operator that feels human. It made the stakes feel higher. I still enjoy the gane, and I hate to complain, but when I say I miss the old siege, I really just mean I miss the way it used to feel when I played my favorite game. Yeah I think some of the new operators/changes are really cool, and I appreciate the work that goes into them, but is it worth it if it takes away from the experience more than its adding?
5:01 the worst example of this is thorn because as an Irish person we have no army and guns are illegal unless it’s for hunting it truly shows how little research they put in these days
She’s part of the Garda emergency response unit which is a real unit in An Garda Síochána… and we have the Irish Defence Forces which is our equivalent of an army.
Extremely bright and tone deaf menus but the background is pitch black. I don’t think this video does much of a good job explaining crucial points. A shift from pre alpha gameplay to release gameplay and maps, and albeit a map that still made it to full release that was in that same very trailer. Which people found not that fun to play on doesn’t mean the game lost the plot. Overall weak video.
I see the points most people are making in the comments but I’m tired of people bashing siege saying it’s dying or lost its identity or whatever when they will continue to play the game it’s still fun it’s still thriving and yes the anti cheat could be a lot better but if you play this game religiously shut the hell up and play the game seeing all these negative videos in my feed is depressing and the part that people won’t admit is if siege was totally balanced and perfect it would be boring just enjoy the damn game and stop criticizing everything
What are we expecting from ubisoft till now whatever franchise they had they destroyed it making it boring and stupid and over that they are forcefully injecting with woke shit in there games. So its high time that ubisoft closes down for good and some new mentally stable company who respects there customers/gamers takes this games over or make a new one.
Be fair Looks at Zero Hour and Ready Or Not tactical shooters, they lost I think Ubisoft got it way, doesnt be a tactial shooter with realism Honest i dont get about Deimos, he truly was evil in lore and now he playable op, its weirdo Rainbow Six Siege good game in while, ofc i dont get when they changed Aruni armor and speed also Ela same, Warden and other If look at how logical it is, Ela havent even armor on body, why she now have 2 point armor its ridiculous Yeah i agree balancing every time game, sometimes it annoying, when bullets in magazine was 31 became 26 Everytime changing maps and recoils U know what? i hate now Consulate map, its old was more cool and easer to play, i hate Nighhaven lab map or how its calls right, it is bull*hit Reworking with recruit its funny but stupid, i dunno what to say with this And also Grim, i dont know who play with this op, but he pointless as Sense as well
Quite frankly, this video is just one of many R6 doomposting carelessly made with 0 actual criticism in mind. I mean, it's 11 minutes of the same thing everyone else had said, while refusing to acknowledge anything other than the negatives. R6 lost it's identity? More like R6 changed as a game through time. Hope the views were worth it.
The same can be said about you and your content, as every video that pops up by you, is consistently shitting on such a beautiful game…nevertheless. Despite what you think it’s state is in. The same can be said in terms of content ideas. It makes sense to complain about something you love a tad bit in hope that they’ll change. But it’s a bit too much what you are doing, for a supposed “love” for the game.
Ready or not really scratched the itch early siege had started. It's sad to see the direction the devs have taken with siege
Ready or Not is a good game, but it will never fully scratch the itch of launch siege since it doesnt have pvp (to my knowledge) or destruction to the level of siege
its also really sad seeing the direction VOID took with RON. horrible AI, ai generated art, horrible 1.0 release with a DLC right after, etc. RON feels like a prototype, and it makes me pissed.
@@pumpkinpiesoupcat I have installed a lot of mods that make it feel more polished but i see your point.
Yeah ready or not is the real tactical game not this stuff but e3 siege looked tactical
@@Hi-go7nl try zero hour. its rough around the edges but you can get it for like 7 bucks.
Fortnite is partially at fault here. It gave shooter devs this impression that cameos and character skins are where the money is at. Instead of content and balancing updates. Similar thing happened to Cod.
Yeah every game wants to be fortnite
Comeos definitely would be cool. I'd rather have Rambo collab than R&M.... I personally have no problem with it, but I understand.
Fortnite and overwatch.
every long running tittle has to evolve to keep its audience, skins are part of that, nobody would pay for recolor skins, they want different uniform, animated skins. siege is still a toned down version of other shooters compared to other games like cod, it's full blown animated galore, and not a military fps game anymore
Honestly it isn't a matter of it WILLINGLY toning that down. It's most likely if they added the crazy shit you see in Valorant or COD the game would shit itself.
That or the new skins would just make you invisible as they tend to have some every update they add any.
I will always support non realistic decisions that will improve the quality of the game for balancing. However the UwU anime girls and certain pandering really kills it for me.
Dont use the anime camos problem solved
@@spagettete_obviously that’s not the point, if people want to see anime girls then they should idk, watch anime or play some game like Fortnite, but to be dedicated to being grounded with reality for over 5 years then for them to go and ruin it. It’s pretty clear they only pander because siege is really the only game keeping Ubisoft above water.
I would agree. Like the reinforcements just appearing out of thin air and stuff like that that people used to complain about is fine. Its just like you said the skins and lore that ruins it for me
@@SwiKeyMTC "dedicated to being grounded to reality for 5 years"
buddy i walk around with a rubber ducky dangling from the stock of my AR lmfao
@@SmolAndAngyyy hey, leave the duckies out of this…. But come on bro, there’s a difference between running around with a tiny pickle dangling from your gun then a whole pickle Rick gassing the enemies 💀
POV Ubisoft: fun? Realism? Buffs? What’s that?
Adding new content? Whats that?
Trying to make the game lore heavy while being a multiplayer only was a mistake. It's like trying to give CS:GO a deep lore and trying to make sense of everything that's happening in game. They tried to do what Overwatch did by being a lore heavy multiplayer game. Difference is that whole premise of Overwatch was bright and colorful heroes with unique personalities interacting with each other. Meanwhile R6 is about counter terrorism unit doing hostage rescues and bomb defusing. They should've just added a single player campaign if they wanted to add lore to the game
Lore would've been fine if they expanded on what they had at launch. Instead of pivoting heavily into the game being a simulation
Couldn't agree more. If they're spending so much time building a storyline and lore then where is that in the game? Aside from the goofy cinematics that I skip every season, the "lore" is completely absent from the game. In fact they've removed useful lore concepts like Ela and Zofia attributes.
I was always hopeful that eventually the game's lore would coincide with the release of a multi-player co-op missions mode where you battle the White Masks, like Article 5 mission at Bartlett University. It wasn't perfect but I played that over and over for the fun of having an extended mission while matchmaking with random people and having a blast.
Where is that story line? Why did we go from that to operators with robot arms, cyborg operators, fantasy space weapons, etc.
Removing Terrorist Hunt was a fucking sin.
I left the game after the season where Flores dropped because of school and just a lack of desire to keep relearning maps and ops. Coming back in 2024 before the skopos season I felt like I had never even touched the game other than I remembered some maps
Yeah the game is completely different. I still enjoy siege, I just miss when it tried to be a more gritty experience
Ill keep saying it, Rainbow Six Seige is NOT a Rainbow Six, none of this would be what Tom Clancy would have wrote.
To me the most disappointing part about the lore is the overall pacing. They deploy the story over the course of a year using one CGI animation, 4 short animations and 4 comics. While the animations are connected to the comics withhin the same season, they seem to barely relate outside of the season. It is almost like writers want to explore a cool story about a character but they get distracted by their new favourite toy (the next operator).
An example would be nighthavens absence while team rainbow was hunting deimos. Considering the trouble he caused nighthaven I expect nighthaven to do more than to wait until deimos is arrested to show up again inform of having osa being the creator of talos and colossus.
11:30 I disagree. These crazy skins definitely do affect gameplay, making operator recognition way harder, especially for newer players.
That is actually a fair point I didnt consider
When it comes to realistic aesthetics, what the devs should do is something similar to MWIII where the base design of operators features a "mil-sim" design while the DLC outfits are more unrealistic
We lost Rainbow Six Patriots for this Clown Fiesta I will never forgive UbiSoft for That.
Thanks for talking about this. Siege at is core is great, but the games direction and identity is so lost in the sauce I don’t even know what direction the devs want the game to go in
Ubisoft downfall made the villain the only likeable character in siege.
That's how bad things got.
From M to mature to K for Kids.
game chat rated e10+
Ion think chun li or 2B or yakuza are considered kid characters but true
I absolutely love this game and have 5000 plus hours in it over the years, but the game is so far gone from its original roots and doesn’t even deserve to have “Tom Clancy” in its name anymore
Yeah pretty much agree with everything you said.
Here's the most baffling thing about Siege's current direction. They HAD Single player missions. They HAD PvE coop. They RUNINED it through various updates, but then decided to try to go BACK to the gritty feel that their old vision was, and instead of trying to improve the existing single player missions, add more PvE coop missions using the already existing models they made for the cinematics, they just removed both the existing Single Player and coop maps, and replaced them with two inferior "warmup" options
I personally think the drive for the ‘lore’ is what killed the game. Trying to make characters fit into a story line ultimately got us to here.
I miss when seasons had themes, each season had its own art and theme inspired by the country of origin for the new ops, or the operation as a whole in the case of Outbreak and Grim Sky, from the maps, the weapons the ops are using which is also used by their CTUs, the music, the animated intro main screen we used to have (press any key), and the seasonal weapon skins themselves, after 2019, it all went downhill not just the balancing, but thematically as well, you can really see it with the battle pass, I don't remember a single battle pass that has a consistent theme across all its items, it just shows that they put random bundles to fill the BPs, and don't get me started with the universall weapon skins included there, they are awful
And the name change, the awful UI, the operator designs (which got really good I won't lie), the map reworks that get rid of what made the old map unique (Oregon), god, what with Ubisoft downgrading the things that made me love their games
Not having realistic-looking ops is what kills it for me. I first started to play R6 back before Blackbeard came out and it was great to see how much they tried to copy somewhat accurate attire for ops. Honestly, that part of the game alone helped me stay even with the constant 200ms ping on asia servers (they had very few datacenters in asia back then. You had to force it to connect to the lowest ping server via notepad).
“Where Tom Clancy finally faced Deimos directly” dude, are you rushing your negative content for views? 2:45
I wish they would let you turn skins off. I love the original idea of real counter terrorism units coming together to train with eachother and fight real threats. And having each season be based around a new country would have been super cool. I just hope that ubi will give us a proper rainbow six game at some point
all my feelings in one video :*)
Back in like 2017-2018 when i tought of the most realistic tactical game it was r6 siege, it was my favorite game ever back then, look at what they did to my boy.
I still think the actual gameplay is up there as one of the best. I just everything surrounding that gameplay is atrocious
Couldnt care less about any of these as long as the game is fun, which as long as cheaters arent ruining your match, it is extremely fun.
The Fenrir argument is such a bad faith argument, because if you took 30 seconds to read his lore you’d see that he’s not even a soldier, he’s just a scientist assisting Rainbow, so obviously his visual design is going to be different
If he’s a scientist then why tf is he running ops with high level spec ops?
Nah man, i fully blame fortnite for it. And the devs being dumbasses.
Edit: i fell in love with the game when i first saw the trailer during E3. And i knew that one day i will play the game and i did. I continued playing for years until it started to lose its touch... i think it was the same season night haven was introduced. And it PAINS me to see a game that i loved so much become unrecognisable. It almost looks like a circus if not actually look like it. And I dont think it can come back from it. Unless they want to make a sequel out of it.
Its not friendly for new comers or returning players, like at all. Everything just feels off about it.
i already know this video is gonna blow up
Ngl it started non realistic. An operator using Gas, and Operator with a frost mat, an operator with a car battery. I mean even later seasons, a claw that shocks walls, a scanner that can see people through walls, flammable containers that go on walls, a big drone that only scans someone when they move, a nano bot that heals everyone. It’s been on an unreal experience to start with. It’s competitive not realistic
The moment recruit lost his many load outs was the day siege died
Back in the day I was theorizing Smoke may have been part of the white mask since both their gases were the same.
Genuinely sad to see where the game started from to where it is now.
Adding a battle pass and Stadium in 2020 is when I finally had enough and took a 3 year hiatus
Stadium maps have been terrible. Why make a map that you release knowing it's so imbalanced and disjointed that the team knows it is never even going to implement into competitive ranked gameplay?
The one thing I will never forgive Ubi is they lighting up every inch on the map. Just fucking use the drone before you enter
If Ubisoft cared about their fans, they'd make an E3 version of Siege with a new engine and build current siege off that but make current siege free. Also, giving an e3 version of siege a level based pve would be cool.
9:45 Doc got shot in the head but the bullet caught in his visor
I've played since y8 s1 but can tell the game really started to become a hero shooter or a unrealistic game when iana released. But its officially been gone since sens released.
I like how the game is now but it was also very good before nothing like It, it showed a new side of competitive shooters. Very realistic and competitive in the sense you were actually immersed and felt like you were a actual operator I could see me and my friends liking it way more than how siege is now but both are good
This shift honestly doesn't full surprise me. Especially when you understand the bizzare shifts in management for these titles that have been live for a good chunk of time. There is a core vision but once something that isnt fully intended or was a mistake ends up drawing in more poeple and with that money. So why try to nuture the audience you where casting a small net for when you can go bigger and pull in a larger haul. For us who love that tactical/milsim aesthetic and gameplay, seige and other shooters are no longer made for us. It sucks but the quicker we can accept some of our beloved titles are no longer for us the better we can branch out and experience projects and games that are made for our tastes.
Ngl, a Siege gameplay on a Ubi Open World Single Player/Coop slop would be kinda insteresting, this if they focus on a good writing that resembles old Tom Clancy Story's
I haven’t played since operation Health, whenever that was, and I had no idea that most of this lore existed.
Early siege was special, hence why I clocked more than 1000 hrs on it, but what it’s become holds zero interest for me. Just about the only thing I could think of that would possibly have me check it out again would be an OG recruit only mode, but since they made recruit an actual operator that seems like it would never happen.
Nowadays the game is getting better at its identity. The bad era was from half of year 4 to late year 6.
The first half of y7 was also a little weird
Looking into this, and explaining how the down fall really came to be is like pulling on the heart strings you can't help but understand/agree how Siege is slowly losing the players/the people who enjoy the lore/game.
I am someone of both worlds including having some sort of Military training myself, put in my prospective I can agree with this statement of Siege is just losing its identity, and it will continue to get worse over time without anyone "The people who still continue to play Siege" to even bate an eye. The player base is at a all time low similar to CoD where stuff will continue to not make any total sense while also trying to figure out what made the game good which is what most if not all companies are going through right now. I know I shouldn't compare it because I maybe get flamed or hated on it but XDefiant showed us what a game really is including what it needed in the first place but since we're in this mind set of different things compare to reality it never went well, and will continue not to go well.
Its even worse when people are now just cheating out of no where including monetization those cheats, RUclipsrs/Streamers using those cheaters while hiding the fact they are cheating, and overall just the quality to improve something correct rather it be the Anti Cheat, The Game Overall, Or the just general sense of the game itself everything will soon fall into nothing. Just games that will faded into memory/hall of shame being known for the worse game out there.
I'm pretty sure they removed Bartlett because it was trash. Not because it was a school. Don't come at me with rose tinted glasses either. The map was objectively terrible to play.
I gotta be honest, as a portuguese guy...I'm more than pissed with ubi after what they did to Tubarao. It's disgusting how they force the (Non binary bs) into a "tactical fps" and even worse..is this how they see portuguese special forces?? I still like the game but wtf has this game become
As long as they continue to add more new operators, I am fine with whatever lore they put in.
I definitely think games need to think of collabs that make sense. Fortnite can literally do whatever they want. Dead by daylight and fnaf collab coming 2025 makes sense cause they're both horror games. Running around as Mr meseeks from Rick and Morty on Ace doesn't make any sense and I never expected that collab. The Dead By Daylight skins in siege make sense though cause kapkan got trapper skin and he's a trap op and finka got huntress because finka is resilient just like huntress in her lore and makes me actuallly enjoy using her.
Also, your videos are very enjoyable to watch. Don't stop, please 🙏
I think bodycam could be a very good game once it comes to console
When the reality being written by twatter users, Siege identity is now a joke of a military.
Siege should get a gore update just for fun
Still play siege to this day but I preferred it to be a more tactical shooter
i miss old siege with the night maps darker rooms less saturated colors... it was soo good. dont get me started on all these awfull new maps
I really dislike their mishandling of any lore they try to implement. Original concepts like lore behind Ela and Zofia translated to each of them being less susceptible to the concussive devices they wield, which is cool to uniquely identify and align them with portions of their lore. They've removed relevant attributes like that and implemented stupid aspects of irrelevant lore like different operators having personal fueds and vendettas that have no bearing or relevancy to gameplay. This is further evidenced in the useless "factions" they've decided each operator has aligned with, while those factions having, again, 0 relation to game play. The lore of R6 is stupid and disconnected. It's an afterthought that doesn't appeal to the original players of the early days and I'm actually not sure how these additions and subtractions of lore are supposed to be received.
Rick and morty and halo cool, castle as a baseball player cool, iq in a casual fit cool, doktors curse cool, trash recolors bad
I really aren't super bothered by cosmetics. They are of personal tastes and they are actually the least important thing when discussing the games' identity. But I still think its worth discussing their effects on it. The lore, marketing, and balancing are much more damning
I feel like Siege changing so much is less the Devs not knowing their audience or their direction, but instead reacting to the evolution of the games industry.
If it had remained as a hardcore tac shooter falling into the veins of the ARMA series, then with the world moving onto fact paced, colourful, vibrant and most of all easy to pick up and play like Apex, Fortnite, Valorant, Overwatch etc, etc.
If it had remained how it was, Siege would have fallen into obscurity and become a niche title with even less players.
The sad fact here is that we can't have it both ways.
We can't have an amazing, gritty, dark and true tac Sim game and have a super popular shooter that brings lots of players to thrive.
If it stayed obscure, then we would have far, far less players and eventually they would have to either let the game due or shift from a GAAS model to paid updates, DLC and Operators which would divide the fans and push it further into the grave.
But it catering to more people means it had to become easier to look at, easier to play and less of a milsim allowing more players and thus a thriving game.
They even got two collabs with Arknights, but at least they got the whole combat thing going on with R6 fused together with Arknights' world quite nicely when it comes to the storylines. Some of the Arknights skins for R6 operators seemed a little too... funny (I'm looking at you Ash), but it's tame in comparison to the absolute chaotic mess Siege has with its cosmetics these days.
I played “PRIME SEIGE” back than even before finka and lion and lemme tell you this shit was so fucking ass back than😭😭😭😭
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I remember being a casual and everyone would play so fuckin slow. Than you’d instantly be killed from 3 bullets and youd have to wait basically 10 minutes for that one round to end.
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The most fun i had back than was with my friends tking each other; all shield/recruit squads; tachanka; killing the hostage; and house and plane maps which were by no coincidence the fastest playing maps in the game 😭😭😭😭
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Also the skins/ outfit back than were just plain ol police uniforms and when you played hours of seige youd get bored aff looking at the same ol thing.
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Once that sparkles and rainbow event/ chimera event came with those skins that was a great thing for skins.
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Cuz if you like it or not 80% of the players dont gaf about realism/lore.
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The game is much more enjoyable now and i rather play this than old seige 100% of the time
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If they really wanted to slow down the offensive playstyle i would probably give people a third barbwire or make bigger. Or fuh it make it barbed wire basekit like reinforcemened walls
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And maybe give setup time like 10 extra seconds
Definitely didnt lose its identity. At all. Still a competitive shooter that is one of a kind
If Ready or Not comes to console, Ubisoft might have some competition lol
a lot more companies other than ubi would also have some competition
I mean, ready or not is not a PvP FPS so no, not really.
@@vilao394 well it’s basically what siege was trying to be in that first trailer
@@griff1240 lol no, r6 siege was always about PvP, no one plays siege for T-hunt lil bro
Yooo the picture of the 2 military men was taken on gotland where i live and i work on the boat in the background,
9:48 dude you cant just kill off playable characters, especially in a game where you can buy character specific cosmetics. People would be pissed.
I don't see why not. Knowing how irrelevant to gameplay the lore has become I doubt they'd even remove them from the game. It's simply for the cinematics and comics they're making.
Siege wasn't realistic to begin with or ever was realistic ever
I hate to be that guy but Tom wouldn't be happy with the game right now. It strays so far from the rainbow he wrote about.
I from Portugal and waited years for an operator and a map. We got Tubarao that doesn't represent nothing related to Portugal and a generic map with an unknown location...
In my opinion it lost its identity when they start remaking classic maps because the pros did not like them not adding new weapons and adding LGTV characters removing spawn peeks oh yeah they remove the terrorist bomber because it's problematic lol i mean come
They listened too much to the eaports autisits that only know how to optimize the fun out of the games they play and DEI representatives with the constant barrage of queers the last 4 years and now a legit wheelchair op.
It lost its identity when it went woke a couple of years back with the inclusion of the LGBTQ characters...... like can they just be soldiers fighting eachother without us knowing how rough their childhood past was?
Woke complaints detected, opinion rejected
this is fundamentally a silly argument in no way you'd ever found out any of the characters are lgbtq if all you wanted to do was seeing soldiers fighting eachother...? to know if someone's lgbtq like cav or osa you'd have to look into the lore plus so what? dude u said it urself it's just people fighting eachother, no ones forcing their rough past into you
@@FBI-lk2wn all im saying is do we need to know if an operator is bisexuality or queer? Are we just gonna ignore that one event we're they are celebrating pride month with the pink outfits? I don't have anything against LGBTQ im just comparing it to other first person shooters.... sorry if I offended you guys. That wasn't my intention lol
Okay. I would understand if the game shifted into a message pushing woke dumpster fire. But it isnt, lgbt operators doesnt make the game worse and there isnt even any game changes other than the operators info, if the gay ops were like 200 health or some shit i would get it.
@@HarioGu Pink outfits exists since year 3 lol with the silly event about unicorn tachanka, nothing to do with pride.
The announcement of the new op made me uninstall the game.
Its been the better part of a decade since the game came out. I think theyve just forgot about their roots. They lost their vision and started doing what every other game is doing these days. I think they forgot what people like me got into this game for. I didn't want a fast-paced hero shooter. I wanted a slower, strategic game, playing as an operator that feels human. It made the stakes feel higher. I still enjoy the gane, and I hate to complain, but when I say I miss the old siege, I really just mean I miss the way it used to feel when I played my favorite game. Yeah I think some of the new operators/changes are really cool, and I appreciate the work that goes into them, but is it worth it if it takes away from the experience more than its adding?
5:01 the worst example of this is thorn because as an Irish person we have no army and guns are illegal unless it’s for hunting it truly shows how little research they put in these days
She’s part of the Garda emergency response unit which is a real unit in An Garda Síochána… and we have the Irish Defence Forces which is our equivalent of an army.
@@aaronpower99 I stand corrected
Thumbnail changed!!! 😮😮😮
Extremely bright and tone deaf menus but the background is pitch black. I don’t think this video does much of a good job explaining crucial points. A shift from pre alpha gameplay to release gameplay and maps, and albeit a map that still made it to full release that was in that same very trailer. Which people found not that fun to play on doesn’t mean the game lost the plot. Overall weak video.
I see the points most people are making in the comments but I’m tired of people bashing siege saying it’s dying or lost its identity or whatever when they will continue to play the game it’s still fun it’s still thriving and yes the anti cheat could be a lot better but if you play this game religiously shut the hell up and play the game seeing all these negative videos in my feed is depressing and the part that people won’t admit is if siege was totally balanced and perfect it would be boring just enjoy the damn game and stop criticizing everything
Bro if an op dies tf would happen what’s the point of killing them off? Do they just get removed from the game? Like what
Huh your expecting that from company that it new policy is only woman and lgbtq can apply (clasic)
being this early is illegal
What are we expecting from ubisoft till now whatever franchise they had they destroyed it making it boring and stupid and over that they are forcefully injecting with woke shit in there games. So its high time that ubisoft closes down for good and some new mentally stable company who respects there customers/gamers takes this games over or make a new one.
siege and fortnite tie in worst lore
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That’s a very interesting opinion you have I don’t agree with your opinion
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Be fair
Looks at Zero Hour and Ready Or Not tactical shooters, they lost
I think Ubisoft got it way, doesnt be a tactial shooter with realism
Honest i dont get about Deimos, he truly was evil in lore and now he playable op, its weirdo
Rainbow Six Siege good game in while, ofc i dont get when they changed Aruni armor and speed also Ela same, Warden and other
If look at how logical it is, Ela havent even armor on body, why she now have 2 point armor its ridiculous
Yeah i agree balancing every time game, sometimes it annoying, when bullets in magazine was 31 became 26
Everytime changing maps and recoils
U know what? i hate now Consulate map, its old was more cool and easer to play, i hate Nighhaven lab map or how its calls right, it is bull*hit
Reworking with recruit its funny but stupid, i dunno what to say with this
And also Grim, i dont know who play with this op, but he pointless as Sense as well
Who care game fun
omg you people moan alot
Quite frankly, this video is just one of many R6 doomposting carelessly made with 0 actual criticism in mind.
I mean, it's 11 minutes of the same thing everyone else had said, while refusing to acknowledge anything other than the negatives.
R6 lost it's identity? More like R6 changed as a game through time. Hope the views were worth it.
The same can be said about you and your content, as every video that pops up by you, is consistently shitting on such a beautiful game…nevertheless. Despite what you think it’s state is in. The same can be said in terms of content ideas. It makes sense to complain about something you love a tad bit in hope that they’ll change. But it’s a bit too much what you are doing, for a supposed “love” for the game.