+glenwoofit Agreed. It seems like such a shame to tear something like that apart instead of selling it to someone who could either use it or preserve such a piece.
+Dennis Ring (Brains Ironically) That is why I still look lovingly at the Segate 10 Meg. HD I have left over from my days at IBM. 1973 to 1993 was a long time ago seems like last monday to me. I also have a sample of the first 1 meg. 8 bit memory chip IBM came out with back then that was a BIG BIG thing! OH well time goes on.
I knew, well, my Dad knew actually, a bunch of guys who ended up at IBM. They always had some of the coolest stuff in their garages, tucked away in boxes, that are probably long gone.
+Ventsislav Simonov It's a horror movie for computer lovers, what I would give to own that server and all the guy pulling it apart cares about is how much gold is in it, very sad indeed.
yeah, that's why we have so much crap anymore - no one wants to spend the money to make it great anymore, because it "will just end up as junk" ultimately anyway .... so sad.
dude if you have the latest pc build that server still puts it to shame well it's half of a super computer well not 100% of it but like 1 server equals 1% of the power do it still sadly puts the latest desk tops to shame unless you add 15gpus and add 5 pcie ssd drives
Better check your stats - sysit.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/16/ shows pre the 2011-3 CPU updates it was only twice as fast as a high end x86. Now I'm sure a high end x86 can run rings around it - and for many many less watts off the line, so the cost of ownership is much lower.
Heat conduction of gold is 320W/mK, copper is 400W/mK. It thus is a good enough heat conductor. As it is chemically inert, one can put it in direct contact with other metals without having to fear a galvanic reaction. Plus it's fairly soft, so some pressure will likely make gold surfaces attach well to others, like the heat sink's ones. No need to go look after dried out heat conducting compounds or anything. There seem to be quite a good reasosn for putting gold on CPUs, if you think about it.
I had my own Sun X series machines. Handling, opening it and modding it gave me thrills...the engineering was amazing as shown here. This could have served a 1,000 student school in Africa or India 8-/.
Brings a tear to my eye. Beautiful machine, should be sold and not destroyed in such a way. I guess there is still loads of work that can be extracted from that machine.
+VoeViking It's likely not worth the power draw, most modern servers will push out better performance at much less power draw (less cost in power and cooling), besides the fact that replacement parts and support will be difficult on this thing... As much as I love it, beautiful PCIe design with the lever pulling the card out btw, it's no longer relevant as an actual server, as a museum piece/hobbyist coffee table it is very suited though. Sad that it was ripped open for a bit of gold...
chrigel1234 Actually have an IBM Bladecenter E, not because I use it, but because it's just an incredible piece of engineering (and it was dirt cheap and the memory in it covered the price anyway) But it is more costly to run these servers than to get new systems either hardware or hosted to provide similar or better performance and upgrade abilities, so nobody will run these if there's not some weird software requirement forcing them to...
my brother. May I please say that you are an amazing individual. This is fascinating to watch you tear down these machines that cost more than people's houses and cars. I appreciate and am loving this period Please my friend live long and prosper.
Holy crap that thing is awesome. $100K seems like a bargain! I doubt the gold on those PCBs is thick enough to be worth the effort to recover it - much better idea to put them in frames and hang them on the wall!
+mikeselectricstuff Really depends,the quantity he has there is totally not worth the effort. But recycling being a bulk business if you had hundreds of pounds of those boards its worth the effort.
+mikeselectricstuff It does seem like a bargain, for such a beautiful masterpiece of engineering art. It seems a shame to scrap all of it destructively...
***** The RAM modules by themselves are worth about 500$ right now... The rest of the modules as spare parts are worth thousands of dollars as spare parts... Imagine a dc-dc module fails and burns a CPU while doing so and you can't afford a 250000$ CPU module and a dc-dc converter... Than someone puts an add for the same module as the one you have for 5000$ you'd buy it in a heartbeat! Unless you find the add for the whole server for 2000$ or 3000$
TheProCactus No it wasn't, it was calling on a movie reference instead of screaming at the youtube for saying giga wrong, but thank you for telling me that you wouldn't use a movie reference in reality. Get a life...
Definitely a machine made without price as a major consideration. Buyers of these things are more concerned about performance and reliability than lowest price.
+chrigel1234 We still have two of these in production where I work. As far as I know we've had no hardware problems since taking them into production. Maybe a power supply or so, but no other issues. Quite impressive machines, and I'll take a closer look at one of them once we take them out of production.
What an amazing machine. I remember going into data centers and labs with racks and racks of these things running. And boy, did they SCREAM bloody hell. Kilowatts and kilowatts of power just for cooling. These things were engineered with serviceability in mind with the least downtime as possible. Cool stuff!
The board of the CPU module is so thick because it needs lots of layers for all the traces leading from the CPUs to the interconnect. It isn't meant to be under any physical load, its thickness is purely for electrical reasons.
I love how beautifully over-engineered that server is. Also notice, that all the DC-DC converters are the same. You don't have to remember an exact part number, if one fails, it's an easy swap. Really designed for quick and easy maintenance.
The DC-DC converters were not FRUs IIRC. They were a pleasure to work on. To rack, not so much. They were well made and we seldom had to work on them. Customers liked the hot pluggable PCI cards. The larger M8000 and M9000 machines could hot swap CPUM boards as well.
The gold on the processor doesn't in any way degrade the heat transfer, it actually helps. Painting it black would degrade it by introducing a possibly poorly conducting layer between the processor and the heatsink. The reflectivity of a surface is only significant when heat is being transferred radiatively, which is not the case here (between the processor and the heatsink) Once two surfaces are in contact the heat is transferred purely by conduction. Smooth and shiny surfaces will actually help the heat transfer by maximising the actual contact surface. The heatsink itself does benefit from being black (except for the part in contact with the processor) because while it gets rid of most of its heat by convection it also does emit some by radiation.
Did anyone else notice the good engineering of those drive levers? (8:08) It's hard to forget to lock those back down because they would stick out into the walkway and you'd see them or run into them. So it basically makes it less likely you'd forget to lock them down.
At my last company I used to admin a few racks full of those M5000's, and a few M9000's... still waiting for them to send them off to recycling.. which I will gladly do in my basement :-) (and the PCI cards shown work fine in a normal PC.. the quad gigabit are regular Broadcom chipsets, the QLogics work as client adapters without changes, and the BIOS can be easily trans-flashed.)
One critical flaw in all of the Sun Ultra series (including this Ultra Enterprise 450) is that they had a chip called the NVRAM chip that contains the MAC address, Host ID, etc... The only problem is that it's not non-volatile. It's an SRAM chip with a battery backup. Once the battery dies, the machine won't boot and you're F'd. Supposedly there's a way to reprogram the NVRAM chip through OpenBoot but it's not trivial from what I hear. But yeah, brings back memories :)
These have a board called the XSCF (eXtended System Control Facility) that contains what was found on the NVRAM chip of Sun designed machines. (These were designed by Fujitsu.) Those had a larger coin cell battery that did the same function as the NVRAM chip. The operator panel also contained SystemID information. It meant you could change only one of those at a time as if one was changed, the info from the other was written to the new device. It's been a few years since I've worked on one. Replaced a fair number of XSCFU boards, but very few operator panels. And yes, you can program new NVRAM chips or repower old ones. Or, if you have a support contract, Sun/Oracle will send you one, or a smiling engineer to come out and replace it for you. The NVRAM chip was also the RTC for the systems that used it.
The gold plating is to reduce corrosion. Since not much reacts with gold they coat everything that might oxidize or corrode. It's not for heat dissipation or to enhance the connections. It's just there to keep things from corroding.
The cpu materials conduct heat via touch. There is no “reflecting” heat. That would be insulation, which its not doing. Gold is malleable and doesn’t oxidize.
That's right, I said it wrong. It's because there is an issue with car engines that run hotter when they are completely chrome plated (as some enthusiasts do). Because the engine block can not radiate teh same amount of heat as when it is black. But since we have a direct contact between the chip and the cooler, that doesn't matter. For the "malleable" part... the gold layer is so thin, I think that is not relevant. It's more decoration than practical.
Sad to see how fast digital tech is worthless today. This is why I love analog tech so much. Analog electronics were perfected in the late 70s/early 80s. There was no advance in analog electronics since then (exept making it smaller, cheaper and crappyer) so old analog tech keeps its value or gets more expensive. Everything digital today is e-waste in 2-5 years.
The big heatsinks are cold forged. That gives them better thermal and structural performance compared to other methods. Not sure if I posted here before. I got to pull apart the half-size version of this. Same components, just half as many.
I work remotely on one of the modern server which got 128Jigabytes( :) ) RAM. and got 24x2 cores CUP.. but never seen it, I bet this machine (M5000) out plays it in-terms of its build quality.... Thanks for making this video.
Those heat sinks are probably extruded but not from the side and then sliced across the length into individual units. They would be extruded vertically. The extrusion die has an oval shaped hole for each fin. Aluminum would be forced out of the die into cap that forms the base of the heat sink. When it's filled up, it would retract at the same speed as the fins are being squeezed out. The fins could be as tall as you want, but it must be a pain in the ass to tweak the process so it works reliably. Alternatively, they could be extruded and cut in the traditional manner, then have the fins profiled with a plunge EDM machine.
Hi there. The gold plating in CPUs is to optimize the contact thermal transfer, nowadays you can't go better than that, and is not uncommon in satellite construction. Gold coatings are good at reflecting *infrared* radiation, contact thermal transfer is another story. A very well constructed machine, indeed, a pity it goes to scrap. Cheers.
20:20 *Actually* gold is the best heat conductor possible, it does reflect heat in the form of infrared, but in this case you're talking about direct contact (that's why you have those big springs pressing it in), also the fact it's soft will help it adapt to the harder metals it's touching on both sides and therefore allow for superior conductivity like a thermal paste would. Server manufacturers don't plate CPU's gold for aesthetic reasons.
dispatcher7007 That's why I said possible and not ever. Please read comments fully before answering them. You missed the fact the whole comment was about this fallacy of his to say that because gold reflects infrared, it is stupid in this application thermally ? Maybie you're too busy running for trying to look educated on something to actually read the comment you're responding to ? Makes me think of this stuff you have to spread around when you don't have enough to cover it all.
This is heartbreaking! Such a clean an wunderfull machine never to run again. I really do not understand why it is not worth to create upgrade options to keep such a machine up to date. Everything can be removed - everything is build for long life not only 8-10 year, so why not an upgrade path to the newest Intel or Arm setups. What a waste. 😭 Thank you so much for the video. May this video exist forever!
Well, it's not only the CPUs that need update. Take a 30 years old PC for example. Even if you find a way to put a new CPU inside, there is also a totally outdated ISA bus, a 200W power supply that can not provide enough power and maybe even a EGA graphics card for which no compatible monitor exists.... 10Mbits coax ethernet... I mean yes, you are right! Stuff ends in the bin much too early but at one day you have to replace it. Or you decide to leave that high tech society and go back to mechanics. There you can find 100 years old machines that still work fine.
@@PlaywithJunk Thanks for your reply. What I was thinking was, you know a standard 42U 19” rack. Even a rack from the 60’s can take a modern computer. It could be nice to have that same common denominator in the actual case (rack or pedestal). So everything could be upgraded, cpu, motherboard, backplanes, psu’s and interconnects. Ok - I know where this comes from. 😊 These machines was the ‘thing that gets you to the thing’. Throwing them out is abandoning the dream. As you might notice it could be that I am over-romanticizing those wonderful dream machines! 😢🥲
the blank pci boards are used to keep particulate out of the slots, I realize that it seems overkill, but if you need to fast install boards and have them work, keeping the slots as clean/clear as possible is important :)
+DredWolf With that much power draw crammed in such a (relatively) small casing you need that airflow to be perfect. Missing blanks will leave holes which mess up the airflow and up the heat and eventually will have your $100.000 server thermal throttling or just overheating and breaking down, which sucks...
they could have created a much cheaper airflow baffle.. they used the cards they did to keep the contacts clean...try adding a new card to a hot-swap-able cage with dirty contacts...not good :)
hmh… we are actually still using two m5k servers. they are still not bad, but use *a lot* of energy compared to lets say 32core xeon servers we also have.
I wonder if its really worth scraping this machine for gold.. it seems that you would get more money out of it by selling the parts for ppl who still run this servers and need replacement parts.
+Ivanovic Romano Not a lot of places that would still run this system, and the few that still do will be looking for an upgrade as keeping it alive with second hand parts of ebay and so on is not a proper way to run a company ;) Besides that, a 1U server will perform better nowadays, offer much more upgrade options and can come with support and warranty, with the price of that server being earned back in the first year due to the much lower power draw ;)
I wonder what kind of servers and computers they use for data analysis, storage, and simulations for something complex like particle physics? Could one of these handle such a task?
The CPU doesn't transfer heat via radiation, so the gold isn't relevant for that. CPUs transfer heat via conduction, and gold is a fairly good heat conductor. The fins on the heat sink transfer heat via radiation and convection, so the black anodizing makes sense there.
+Star Gazer The gold does not corrode and is an extremely good conductor of electricity thus a low heat producer, it is not used as a heat sink to my knowledge.
Any specs on that thing? Architecture? CPU type? OS? The RAM is apparently some registered ECC DDR2, so very very old stuff (as 2GB per module was top of the line at that time). Probably a highend today's desktop workstation with an octacore CPU would easily outperform it. Bur certainly a nice military-grade build...
Perhaps, but the protection circuitry would trip every time you strike the arc, so you'd need to redesign them while you're at it, or at least bypass the trip protection.
the gold "plated" PCB are like u said expensive...BUT from the electrical point of view they are the BEST conductor u can get (at room temperature- 273 °C are even better) the cooper u can save to be the same resistance is HUGE ::)
Thank you for the video. Sun/Oracle/Fujitsu are many generations behind Intel. btw.: will you disassembling something like T7 or M7 servers (with SPARC M7 generation CPU) ?
Depends on behind. I looked (and taught it) this way. Intel was like driving a Ferrari. It was fast but didn't carry much. SPARC was like a truck. It wasn't that fast, but it could move a great deal more data. The Ferrari may be more flashy to own. But you are going to make more money with the truck.
everything is gold plated except for the pcie card edge contacts of the fc hba ;) those card holder trays are really nice, can't be cheap but so much nicer than than those custom form factor cards in the bladecenter 6000 you showed in another video or the compact pci io cages used in the fire 3800, as far is know the fire 3800 is the only machine outside of the embedded space using cPCI
What was this server doing when it was in production, power station or traffic grid maybe? SPARC CPU's are mostly only comparable to ARM and have limited use set. Would be interested to know.
+Tom Martin only comparable to arm? big iron (like sparc) > x86 > arm... Sparc m5 (circa 2012) is 3.6ghz, 6 core, 42mb cache, integrated crypto accel dedicated to many encryption and hashing algorithms, does out-of-order scheduling with 2 instructions per cycle, 24 latency for float divide, 41 for int divide. Intel nehalem (same vintage) is 27 latency for float divide, and 28-90 latency on int divide (depending on numbers used), maxed at 3.3ghz, had 4 cores with 8 logical threads total with 8mb cache. That sparc CPU made the intel xeon look like an ARM cpu in comparison.
Bloody hell I would love to work in a data-center that has machines like these. BTW do not scrap the power supply. These can be converted and used. People pay a good amount for these an use it to power battery chargers, linear power amplifiers etc. 2kw ones are about 100-200 USD easily.
I think these "control rectifiers" are Active-PFC I had already guessed that you will say that this machine is build like a tank, before I have heard you saying it .... super thick PCBs & super quality BTW: nice CPU heat-sinks -> perfect with fan for tons of 10+ Watts LEDs or passive for LED floodlight heavy German accent detected ^^ Greetings to Germany from ... Germany :D
Just found your channel, I also love to take computer stuff apart. And keeping parts that can be used again. The ram u showed is DDR2 667 mhz ecc reg and will work in pc servers aswell.
i never understood why sparc over other arch systems. is it because its just different making it harder to get into another ecosystem or am i missing something
It’s rooted in RISC processing which was far more efficient and scaled fasters than processors of the 1980’s. Intel was not a dominant force at the time. There were several implementations of the Risc approach. Sun with Sparc, Sgi with MIPS, Digital Equipment with Alpha, IBM with Power. Most fell off as Intel and AMD succeeded. MIPS is still around and Ibm runs Power in their own big iron super computers.
Goldbeschichtung dient der verhinderung von Oxidation. Lötstellen können, vor allem wenn sie Unsauber verlötet wurden, Oxidieren, diese Oxidation kann sich über die Lötstelle hin auf die im Board befindlichen Leiterbahnen ausbreiten. Zudem wird durch die Beschichtung eben auch die vor dem Anbringen der Bauteile mögliche leichte Oxidation während des Fertigungs- und Lagerprozesses unterbunden. Ebenso werden manche Bauteile mit Gold beschichtet, wenn sichergestellt werden soll das diese ihre Wärme effizient an ihre Umgebung Abführen (im Regelfall aufsitzende Kühlkörper). Da die Wärmeübertragung über Kontaktübertragung stattfindet tritt die sonnst bei Gold beobachtbare Reflexion nicht auf, womit die reinen Innermetallischen Wärmeleitwerte wirken, und bei diesen ist Gold sehr weit oben in der Liste. Möglich wäre auch das die Goldbeschichteten Oberflächen zu dem Oxidationsvorteil ebenso als Wärmeleitfläche genutzt werden, die durch ihren Bauteilkontakt Wärme von diesen Aufnehmen und über ihre eigene Oberfläche an die Umgebung abgeben (Vergrößerung der Oberfläche für die Wärmeabgabe). Bei Kontakten ist die Vergoldung ebenso üblich, aufgrund der Chemischen Beständigkeit von Gold (keine Oxidbildung).
Ja das stimmt wohl.... aber ich denke dass es in diesem Business oft auch einfach gemacht wird, weil eh schon viel zuviel für die Hardware bezahlt wird. Warum also nicht auch noch die CPU vergolden... Ich meine wie gross kann der Unterschied sein zwischen einem vergoldeten Chip und einem normalen? Ein halbes Grad? Da macht ein gutes Wärmeleitpad den wesentlich grösseren Unterschied. Ich hab ein Video von einem PDP11/34 aus dem Jahr 1978. Dort sind alle Boards blank verzinnt und nur gerade die Steckkontakte vergoldet. Der Rechner hat seine Design-Lebensdauer längst überschritten und läuft immer noch. Sollen die vergoldeten Leiterbahnen 100 Jahre halten? Schade wenn man die Kiste nach 10 Jahren wegwirft.
Aber genau das erwartet doch der Kunde von solch Teurer Technik, Ewig lange Lebenszeiten. So wie die Kühlkörper aussehen sind diese auch nicht unbedingt sehr zu Empfehlen um die Temperatur vom Prozessorbereich in die Kühlrippen zu "Befördern". Bei der Betrachtung der Kühlelemente wundere ich mich doch schon weshalb diese keine Heatpipes aufweisen. Zumindest bildet sich dann auch keine Oxidschicht an der Grenze zum Wärmeleidpad. Es tut mir auch (seltsamerweise) weh, mit anzusehen wie diese schönen Geräte in ihre Einzelteile zerlegt werden, um sie anschließend zu Verschrotten.
Mancher Kunde mag das erwarten, aber die IT Welt dreht sich wesentlich schneller als die echte. Nach 10 Jahren wird das meiste nutzlos weil die Software Resensprünge macht und die Hersteller einfach "EndOfLife" sagen. Dann kannste schauen wo du bleibst... Die meisten Kunden ersetzten dann die Hardware.
Some coworkers and I dissembled a circa 2005 IBM AS/400. It originally cost much more than this SUN unit (was about $700K in that period). The IBM was similarly designed for ease of access and serviceability, but it was nowhere near the excellence in material selection and perfection in high design.
We've got the "half" version of this (I forget the name). I've never seen such quality engineering in a server before. Really amazing stuff to play with. Now, we can't even sell it for a fraction of its original price. Hopefully a collector will pay higher than its scrap price. It would make a cool home server if it weren't for it's silly power consumption.
It's the M4000. Never seen the M3000 before. The M3000 looks like a more sensible form factor for anyone who still needs that architecture, guess that explains the value. We also have some T5120s and T5140s that came from the same place. They seem like they're still good units, so we should be able to sell them for a decent amount, rather than sliding them onto the bench to be scrapped.
The M4000 was half an M5000. Only one IOU (IO Unit) instead of two. The M5000 could be divided into two domains as each IOU could provide IO devices for a single domain if carved up that way. The M3000 was almost a desktop formfactor. It was a 2U server with a traditional motherboard, etc.
20:00 the gold plating is most certainly NOT for looks, gold is a very good thermal conductor. It does not "perfectly reflect the heat back into the chip" it conducts out well. Copper does conduct thermally a little better than gold but I am sure there is a reason the engineers didn't use copper. It is also possible the chip is actually copper plated but looks like gold, hard to tell.
I just have to add that in 1996 I was fortunate enough to have an IBM 360 to tear down. this was used at a law firm. I got several 120 millimeter cooling fans made by Sanyo that will never ever ever wear out. So this junk really isn't junk these machines were engineered to play Forever the only thing that stopped them was advancement of Technology.
I have a 40 years old 20cm fan in my basement workshop to ventilate the room when I'm painting. It is a bit noisy now but works fine. It came from a DEC PDP rack from the 1970s
It was end-of-lifed back in 2015/2016. At that time, the machine doesn't get any support from the manufacturer and there might even be compliance or regulatory reasons to decommission it.
Usual Sun machine, very nicely designed and build to last, a shame to rip it apart. Support sucks however, since Oracle bought them. Btw, did that machine die or was it just too 'old', since there are several average computers in the background that don't look as much worth keeping as that Sun M5000?
+chrigel1234 So it was fully functional? Would it be possible to buy the next M4000/5000 you get for scrap for material value? Already have a few x86 Sun systems at my home, but such a sparc monster would certainly be nice to play with.
Are you sure the power rails are solid copper? The connectors are aluminum, and aluminum->copper joints are generally a no-no. Solid aluminum bus bars (like we have in our mains breaker boxes in the US) should be fine.
+Pete Brown It is tin plated and partially painted copper (looks like aluminum but is not) and on the board is gold plated copper. The screws are zinc plated steel. I can not see any problems....
Got one of them for 300 Euro from EBay. Once in a life of a program you must have started and used this kind of machine. Now i will rip it off too and fill it with as many Raspberry 3 as it can hold (using corkboards) and lets see what has the better performance :-)
Wow! Engineering art and wonder that sadly is scrapped, but thats the way it is. Im a bit curious about power draw on theese beasts. 4x 2100W PSUs but thats for redundancy so this would probably run with 3 or maybe 2 PSUs in case of one of two AC circuits went out? Our HP c7000 has 6 PSUs, but half of them can go offine and the rest has to deliver full load.
Hello. I have been reading about power requirements for this unit. Is it really necessary to plug each power supply to a single phase 220 volt outlet with a dedicated 30 amp rated breaker? or will it be fine to plug 2 power supplies to two outlets, each with a dedicated 30 amp rated breaker? Thanks in advance.
It depends on how many servers you install and how your safety requirements are. If your cabinet is nearly empty, you can connect all 4 inputs to one power strip without a problem. The system does not care where power is coming from. When I'm testing these things I normally connect all 4 to an ordinary 16A line. But if you install more servers, power consuption will increase and a 16A line will not be enough. So you will have to split it up into 2 lines. Just keep in mind that when a power supply fails, the other will take twice the power. So maybe 32A line may be necessary. It'a all about power requirements and redundancy.
@@PlaywithJunk Thank you very much for your reply. I am only testing the m5000 on its own. Sun manual says it is power hungry and that damage may result to the server if power requirement recommendation is not met. Aside from this, there is a lot of issue / requirements with proper grounding. Your insight is truly helpful :)
@@patrickcorcuera4856 With "damage" they mostly mean data loss from sudden interruption. The hardware is very rugged, I don't think that will become damaged. BTW My answer was for the SUN Blade chassis, I did not realize that you're referring to the M5000 video. But it's also true for the M5000. When I'm testing this, I just connect all power inputs to one phase at 16A. As long as the system is almost empty there is no problem.
I use $ because Swiss Franks are about $1 at the moment. The apostrophe (10'000) is used because I think it is better readable that way. What nation are you from?
I mean dollars are used everywhere from Cayman Island (where 1 CHF = 0.80 dollars) to Guyana (where 1 CHF = 202.92 dollars) at the time of this comment. I'm from U.K..
Single Chassis or dual chassis with 16 CPUM boards? It was fun to cable up that second chassis to the base cabinet. I think it was 74 cables between the two cabinets IIRC.
@@buffuniballer dual chassis, I miss those machines, just beautifully made and impressively robust. Almost everything hotswappable. Had eight M9000, guess we don't miss the electricity bills tho.
Hi, Please can you me answer so it's possible to use two power supply instead four power supply and what need of ampere for two power supply when the server is just started. Because I would like so i can this server started in my house. In my kitschen there is a possibility to receive 16 ampere. With only one power supply can I started the server with only a bloc dual processor Inside the server. Thanks for your answer. Have a good day. Regards
It does not matter how many power supplies you use. If the server needs 2000 Watts and you have four power supplies, it takes 500W per P.S. If you use only one P.S. then it takes 2000W from that single P.S. You can only reduce the number of CPUs and memory and PCI cards to get lower power consumption. And why do you want to use that server in your kitchen...???
V*A=W 48V*2A=48+48=96W.Sorry...It is a little bit of tolerance possible,are 100 Watt.O.K.Sir.You have present a great video.This Server was old.I mean it was the 2 GB Memory modules? Thank you Sir.Ich bin ein sogenannter Klugscheisser in deutsch.Auch die Rundungsregeln berechtigen Sie in der Mathematik auf 100 Watt auf zu runden! Es hat etwas mit elektrischer Sicherheit zu tun?
im still not sold on the gold cpus reflecting heat back into the chip. I think it would be the case if the heat was being radiated through the air but not in this case where is in contact and conducting heat.
A wonderful example of industrial design.
It was like watching a work of art being destroyed by a hammer.
+glenwoofit Agreed. It seems like such a shame to tear something like that apart instead of selling it to someone who could either use it or preserve such a piece.
+Dennis Ring (Brains Ironically) That is why I still look lovingly at the Segate 10 Meg. HD I have left over from my days at IBM. 1973 to 1993 was a long time ago seems like last monday to me. I also have a sample of the first 1 meg. 8 bit memory chip IBM came out with back then that was a BIG BIG thing!
OH well time goes on.
I knew, well, my Dad knew actually, a bunch of guys who ended up at IBM. They always had some of the coolest stuff in their garages, tucked away in boxes, that are probably long gone.
+glenwoofit as someone that once had to admin similar machines I loved every minute of its demise :-)
+Gareth Crispin (MrHolozip) Lol, I can imagine the servicing of one of those would be a pain the the arse.
So much engineering invested just to end-up in the junk bin. It's so sad to watch this...
+Ventsislav Simonov It's a horror movie for computer lovers, what I would give to own that server and all the guy pulling it apart cares about is how much gold is in it, very sad indeed.
+Ventsislav Simonov That happens again and again and again. It's a side effect of Moore's law.
yeah, that's why we have so much crap anymore - no one wants to spend the money to make it great anymore, because it "will just end up as junk" ultimately anyway .... so sad.
dude if you have the latest pc build that server still puts it to shame well it's half of a super computer well not 100% of it but like 1 server equals 1% of the power do it still sadly puts the latest desk tops to shame unless you add 15gpus and add 5 pcie ssd drives
Better check your stats - sysit.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/16/ shows pre the 2011-3 CPU updates it was only twice as fast as a high end x86. Now I'm sure a high end x86 can run rings around it - and for many many less watts off the line, so the cost of ownership is much lower.
Heat conduction of gold is 320W/mK, copper is 400W/mK. It thus is a good enough heat conductor. As it is chemically inert, one can put it in direct contact with other metals without having to fear a galvanic reaction. Plus it's fairly soft, so some pressure will likely make gold surfaces attach well to others, like the heat sink's ones. No need to go look after dried out heat conducting compounds or anything. There seem to be quite a good reasosn for putting gold on CPUs, if you think about it.
I have never seen so many hot swappable parts in a single server. Literally EVERY component was hot swappable/tool-less.
I had my own Sun X series machines. Handling, opening it and modding it gave me thrills...the engineering was amazing as shown here. This could have served a 1,000 student school in Africa or India 8-/.
Brings a tear to my eye. Beautiful machine, should be sold and not destroyed in such a way. I guess there is still loads of work that can be extracted from that machine.
+VoeViking It's likely not worth the power draw, most modern servers will push out better performance at much less power draw (less cost in power and cooling), besides the fact that replacement parts and support will be difficult on this thing...
As much as I love it, beautiful PCIe design with the lever pulling the card out btw, it's no longer relevant as an actual server, as a museum piece/hobbyist coffee table it is very suited though.
Sad that it was ripped open for a bit of gold...
+VoeViking
I agree. It is sad how wasteful our society is. But if you have 5 of these servers and nobody wants them... what would you do?
chrigel1234 Actually have an IBM Bladecenter E, not because I use it, but because it's just an incredible piece of engineering (and it was dirt cheap and the memory in it covered the price anyway)
But it is more costly to run these servers than to get new systems either hardware or hosted to provide similar or better performance and upgrade abilities, so nobody will run these if there's not some weird software requirement forcing them to...
my brother. May I please say that you are an amazing individual. This is fascinating to watch you tear down these machines that cost more than people's houses and cars. I appreciate and am loving this period Please my friend live long and prosper.
thank you! comments like this motivate me to proceed.
What a fascinating engineering master-peace. Thankyou for sharing.
Holy crap that thing is awesome. $100K seems like a bargain!
I doubt the gold on those PCBs is thick enough to be worth the effort to recover it - much better idea to put them in frames and hang them on the wall!
+mikeselectricstuff or sell them on e-bay for at least half of their retail price...
+mikeselectricstuff Really depends,the quantity he has there is totally not worth the effort. But recycling being a bulk business if you had hundreds of pounds of those boards its worth the effort.
+Eviltech more like 1/20 the price
+mikeselectricstuff It does seem like a bargain, for such a beautiful masterpiece of engineering art. It seems a shame to scrap all of it destructively...
***** The RAM modules by themselves are worth about 500$ right now...
The rest of the modules as spare parts are worth thousands of dollars as spare parts... Imagine a dc-dc module fails and burns a CPU while doing so and you can't afford a 250000$ CPU module and a dc-dc converter... Than someone puts an add for the same module as the one you have for 5000$ you'd buy it in a heartbeat! Unless you find the add for the whole server for 2000$ or 3000$
JIGGABYTES! Finally, someone who uses the term everyone would love to use.
1.21 JIGGAWATTS!?
+Pieh0 lmao
Java uses lots of JIGGABYTES of memory :D
ONLY A BOLT OF LIGHTNING CAN PROVIDE 1.21 JIGGAWATTS!
TheProCactus Try watching Back to the future, cause you sound like an idiot for saying that...
TheProCactus No it wasn't, it was calling on a movie reference instead of screaming at the youtube for saying giga wrong, but thank you for telling me that you wouldn't use a movie reference in reality.
Get a life...
It's amazing that they ever got something that complex working, so many interconnected systems and complex electronics/hardware and firmware/software.
+Coolkeys2009 You should see a big sun server like a SunFire 25k.
Absolutely nothing is left to chance. Super impressive.
Definitely a machine made without price as a major consideration. Buyers of these things are more concerned about performance and reliability than lowest price.
+compactc9 that's exactly how it is!
+chrigel1234 We still have two of these in production where I work. As far as I know we've had no hardware problems since taking them into production. Maybe a power supply or so, but no other issues. Quite impressive machines, and I'll take a closer look at one of them once we take them out of production.
What an amazing machine. I remember going into data centers and labs with racks and racks of these things running. And boy, did they SCREAM bloody hell. Kilowatts and kilowatts of power just for cooling.
These things were engineered with serviceability in mind with the least downtime as possible. Cool stuff!
Today we have more efficient systems but also more systems... Power per rack is the same or even more ;-)
The board of the CPU module is so thick because it needs lots of layers for all the traces leading from the CPUs to the interconnect. It isn't meant to be under any physical load, its thickness is purely for electrical reasons.
The PCIe and PCI-X slot holder plates help keep the sockets clean, and keep the airflow fairly consistent.
what a great design.
I love how beautifully over-engineered that server is. Also notice, that all the DC-DC converters are the same. You don't have to remember an exact part number, if one fails, it's an easy swap. Really designed for quick and easy maintenance.
The DC-DC converters were not FRUs IIRC.
They were a pleasure to work on.
To rack, not so much.
They were well made and we seldom had to work on them. Customers liked the hot pluggable PCI cards.
The larger M8000 and M9000 machines could hot swap CPUM boards as well.
The gold on the processor doesn't in any way degrade the heat transfer, it actually helps. Painting it black would degrade it by introducing a possibly poorly conducting layer between the processor and the heatsink.
The reflectivity of a surface is only significant when heat is being transferred radiatively, which is not the case here (between the processor and the heatsink)
Once two surfaces are in contact the heat is transferred purely by conduction. Smooth and shiny surfaces will actually help the heat transfer by maximising the actual contact surface.
The heatsink itself does benefit from being black (except for the part in contact with the processor) because while it gets rid of most of its heat by convection it also does emit some by radiation.
Some crazy engineering in that server. I love the modularity.
Did anyone else notice the good engineering of those drive levers? (8:08)
It's hard to forget to lock those back down because they would stick out into the walkway and you'd see them or run into them. So it basically makes it less likely you'd forget to lock them down.
Amazing peace of engineering and technology.
Those fans and power supplys are amazing ! GIMME !!!!!!
The triple thickness PCBs is what most impresses me.
The ram modules in particular almost certainly will bring more on eBay than the gold content.
At my last company I used to admin a few racks full of those M5000's, and a few M9000's... still waiting for them to send them off to recycling.. which I will gladly do in my basement :-)
(and the PCI cards shown work fine in a normal PC.. the quad gigabit are regular Broadcom chipsets, the QLogics work as client adapters without changes, and the BIOS can be easily trans-flashed.)
One critical flaw in all of the Sun Ultra series (including this Ultra Enterprise 450) is that they had a chip called the NVRAM chip that contains the MAC address, Host ID, etc... The only problem is that it's not non-volatile. It's an SRAM chip with a battery backup. Once the battery dies, the machine won't boot and you're F'd. Supposedly there's a way to reprogram the NVRAM chip through OpenBoot but it's not trivial from what I hear. But yeah, brings back memories :)
With a EPROM programmer you can copy that chip from another machine and edit the necessary data. We did that a couple of times.
Hi, would u pls tell me for what purposes this kind of servers were used?
In my experience they were most often used for databases, particularly Oracle.
These have a board called the XSCF (eXtended System Control Facility) that contains what was found on the NVRAM chip of Sun designed machines. (These were designed by Fujitsu.) Those had a larger coin cell battery that did the same function as the NVRAM chip. The operator panel also contained SystemID information. It meant you could change only one of those at a time as if one was changed, the info from the other was written to the new device.
It's been a few years since I've worked on one. Replaced a fair number of XSCFU boards, but very few operator panels.
And yes, you can program new NVRAM chips or repower old ones. Or, if you have a support contract, Sun/Oracle will send you one, or a smiling engineer to come out and replace it for you.
The NVRAM chip was also the RTC for the systems that used it.
Amazing. Sun Microsystems, masters of over-engineering.
+Die, Master Monkey (Die, Master Monkey) no wonder they went tits-up :D, this was designed as "spare no expense"
I would keep the metal case with the Sun-logo for some modding stuff.
Ild smelt the whole thing in my furnace
in love with those heatsink fins. amazing
This thing is extreeeemly dangerous. We have to deal with it!
(You know what i mean :D)
The gold plating is to reduce corrosion. Since not much reacts with gold they coat everything that might oxidize or corrode. It's not for heat dissipation or to enhance the connections. It's just there to keep things from corroding.
The cpu materials conduct heat via touch. There is no “reflecting” heat. That would be insulation, which its not doing. Gold is malleable and doesn’t oxidize.
That's right, I said it wrong. It's because there is an issue with car engines that run hotter when they are completely chrome plated (as some enthusiasts do). Because the engine block can not radiate teh same amount of heat as when it is black.
But since we have a direct contact between the chip and the cooler, that doesn't matter.
For the "malleable" part... the gold layer is so thin, I think that is not relevant. It's more decoration than practical.
Sad to see how fast digital tech is worthless today. This is why I love analog tech so much. Analog electronics were perfected in the late 70s/early 80s. There was no advance in analog electronics since then (exept making it smaller, cheaper and crappyer) so old analog tech keeps its value or gets more expensive. Everything digital today is e-waste in 2-5 years.
I would love to have seen Dave Jones take this one apart - he would appreciate the great engineering put into such a device.
The big heatsinks are cold forged. That gives them better thermal and structural performance compared to other methods. Not sure if I posted here before. I got to pull apart the half-size version of this. Same components, just half as many.
I work remotely on one of the modern server which got 128Jigabytes( :) ) RAM. and got 24x2 cores CUP.. but never seen it, I bet this machine (M5000) out plays it in-terms of its build quality....
Thanks for making this video.
Those heat sinks are probably extruded but not from the side and then sliced across the length into individual units. They would be extruded vertically. The extrusion die has an oval shaped hole for each fin. Aluminum would be forced out of the die into cap that forms the base of the heat sink. When it's filled up, it would retract at the same speed as the fins are being squeezed out. The fins could be as tall as you want, but it must be a pain in the ass to tweak the process so it works reliably.
Alternatively, they could be extruded and cut in the traditional manner, then have the fins profiled with a plunge EDM machine.
Hi there. The gold plating in CPUs is to optimize the contact thermal transfer, nowadays you can't go better than that, and is not uncommon in satellite construction. Gold coatings are good at reflecting *infrared* radiation, contact thermal transfer is another story.
A very well constructed machine, indeed, a pity it goes to scrap. Cheers.
20:20 *Actually* gold is the best heat conductor possible, it does reflect heat in the form of infrared, but in this case you're talking about direct contact (that's why you have those big springs pressing it in), also the fact it's soft will help it adapt to the harder metals it's touching on both sides and therefore allow for superior conductivity like a thermal paste would.
Server manufacturers don't plate CPU's gold for aesthetic reasons.
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That's why I said possible and not ever. Please read comments fully before answering them.
You missed the fact the whole comment was about this fallacy of his to say that because gold reflects infrared, it is stupid in this application thermally ?
Maybie you're too busy running for trying to look educated on something to actually read the comment you're responding to ?
Makes me think of this stuff you have to spread around when you don't have enough to cover it all.
That things a work of art
This is heartbreaking! Such a clean an wunderfull machine never to run again. I really do not understand why it is not worth to create upgrade options to keep such a machine up to date. Everything can be removed - everything is build for long life not only 8-10 year, so why not an upgrade path to the newest Intel or Arm setups. What a waste. 😭 Thank you so much for the video. May this video exist forever!
Well, it's not only the CPUs that need update. Take a 30 years old PC for example. Even if you find a way to put a new CPU inside, there is also a totally outdated ISA bus, a 200W power supply that can not provide enough power and maybe even a EGA graphics card for which no compatible monitor exists.... 10Mbits coax ethernet...
I mean yes, you are right! Stuff ends in the bin much too early but at one day you have to replace it.
Or you decide to leave that high tech society and go back to mechanics. There you can find 100 years old machines that still work fine.
@@PlaywithJunk Thanks for your reply. What I was thinking was, you know a standard 42U 19” rack. Even a rack from the 60’s can take a modern computer.
It could be nice to have that same common denominator in the actual case (rack or pedestal). So everything could be upgraded, cpu, motherboard, backplanes, psu’s and interconnects.
Ok - I know where this comes from. 😊 These machines was the ‘thing that gets you to the thing’. Throwing them out is abandoning the dream. As you might notice it could be that I am over-romanticizing those wonderful dream machines! 😢🥲
What a beautiful creature!
the blank pci boards are used to keep particulate out of the slots, I realize that it seems overkill, but if you need to fast install boards and have them work, keeping the slots as clean/clear as possible is important :)
+DredWolf With that much power draw crammed in such a (relatively) small casing you need that airflow to be perfect. Missing blanks will leave holes which mess up the airflow and up the heat and eventually will have your $100.000 server thermal throttling or just overheating and breaking down, which sucks...
they could have created a much cheaper airflow baffle.. they used the cards they did to keep the contacts clean...try adding a new card to a hot-swap-able cage with dirty contacts...not good :)
This thing is in beautiful condition for a Sun of this age. Never come across something this clean/unscratched
Damn! Just looking up the specs, this thing was a powerhouse!
hmh… we are actually still using two m5k servers. they are still not bad, but use *a lot* of energy compared to lets say 32core xeon servers we also have.
I wonder if its really worth scraping this machine for gold.. it seems that you would get more money out of it by selling the parts for ppl who still run this servers and need replacement parts.
+Ivanovic Romano Indeed they are still used and are nice machines. I think they were made by Fujitsu.
+Ivanovic Romano Not a lot of places that would still run this system, and the few that still do will be looking for an upgrade as keeping it alive with second hand parts of ebay and so on is not a proper way to run a company ;)
Besides that, a 1U server will perform better nowadays, offer much more upgrade options and can come with support and warranty, with the price of that server being earned back in the first year due to the much lower power draw ;)
I wonder what kind of servers and computers they use for data analysis, storage, and simulations for something complex like particle physics? Could one of these handle such a task?
I want to get my hands on one of those power supplies used, to run some diy CNC stuff
The CPU doesn't transfer heat via radiation, so the gold isn't relevant for that. CPUs transfer heat via conduction, and gold is a fairly good heat conductor. The fins on the heat sink transfer heat via radiation and convection, so the black anodizing makes sense there.
+Star Gazer The gold does not corrode and is an extremely good conductor of electricity thus a low heat producer, it is not used as a heat sink to my knowledge.
Any specs on that thing? Architecture? CPU type? OS? The RAM is apparently some registered ECC DDR2, so very very old stuff (as 2GB per module was top of the line at that time). Probably a highend today's desktop workstation with an octacore CPU would easily outperform it. Bur certainly a nice military-grade build...
Den steirischen Dialekt hört man schön raus, alles Gute und super Film..
doomloop1977 Er ist Schweizer
Beautiful.
I'd be tempted to modify and repurpose those power supplies and build a welder. The 160A you have there would definitely be plenty for a welding arc.
Perhaps, but the protection circuitry would trip every time you strike the arc, so you'd need to redesign them while you're at it, or at least bypass the trip protection.
wow. Wish i got to take it apart. The scrap value must be high ?
the gold "plated" PCB are like u said expensive...BUT from the electrical point of view they are the BEST conductor u can get (at room temperature- 273 °C are even better)
the cooper u can save to be the same resistance is HUGE ::)
I don't think they do that to save copper. But an additional benefit is corrosion protection. And it looks nice :-)
Can any of these parts be re used. Or is it all too old /obsolete and for the scrap heap
How much dose just the box cost i need one to build something else and this box is perfect
Gold reflects a tiny quantity of heat compared to heat transmited by contac...
wish i could get some scrap servers. Ngl, some of them are just 1U or 2U from 2010's so they are TOTALLY usable for some server loads even today.
Thank you for the video. Sun/Oracle/Fujitsu are many generations behind Intel.
btw.: will you disassembling something like T7 or M7 servers (with SPARC M7 generation CPU) ?
Depends on behind.
I looked (and taught it) this way. Intel was like driving a Ferrari. It was fast but didn't carry much. SPARC was like a truck. It wasn't that fast, but it could move a great deal more data.
The Ferrari may be more flashy to own. But you are going to make more money with the truck.
We're do you scrap these at and can you please tell me when you are going to scrap it
everything is gold plated except for the pcie card edge contacts of the fc hba ;) those card holder trays are really nice, can't be cheap but so much nicer than than those custom form factor cards in the bladecenter 6000 you showed in another video or the compact pci io cages used in the fire 3800, as far is know the fire 3800 is the only machine outside of the embedded space using cPCI
What was this server doing when it was in production, power station or traffic grid maybe? SPARC CPU's are mostly only comparable to ARM and have limited use set. Would be interested to know.
+Tom Martin As far as I know they were used in a telecom environment. Maybe passing your SMS to someone else???
+chrigel1234 Righto, makes sense. Thanks for the reply man.
+Tom Martin only comparable to arm? big iron (like sparc) > x86 > arm... Sparc m5 (circa 2012) is 3.6ghz, 6 core, 42mb cache, integrated crypto accel dedicated to many encryption and hashing algorithms, does out-of-order scheduling with 2 instructions per cycle, 24 latency for float divide, 41 for int divide. Intel nehalem (same vintage) is 27 latency for float divide, and 28-90 latency on int divide (depending on numbers used), maxed at 3.3ghz, had 4 cores with 8 logical threads total with 8mb cache.
That sparc CPU made the intel xeon look like an ARM cpu in comparison.
+me4tw I don't mean in terms of power. I mean in terms of architecture and instruction set. SPARC and ARM are both RISC.
Sorry, I may have been out of my depth.
What I really meant was comparable in terms of industrial application.
Bloody hell I would love to work in a data-center that has machines like these. BTW do not scrap the power supply. These can be converted and used. People pay a good amount for these an use it to power battery chargers, linear power amplifiers etc. 2kw ones are about 100-200 USD easily.
I think these "control rectifiers" are Active-PFC
I had already guessed that you will say that this machine is build like a tank, before I have heard you saying it .... super thick PCBs & super quality
BTW: nice CPU heat-sinks -> perfect with fan for tons of 10+ Watts LEDs or passive for LED floodlight
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Greetings to Germany from ... Germany :D
Just found your channel, I also love to take computer stuff apart. And keeping parts that can be used again. The ram u showed is DDR2 667 mhz ecc reg and will work in pc servers aswell.
i never understood why sparc over other arch systems. is it because its just different making it harder to get into another ecosystem or am i missing something
It’s rooted in RISC processing which was far more efficient and scaled fasters than processors of the 1980’s. Intel was not a dominant force at the time.
There were several implementations of the Risc approach. Sun with Sparc, Sgi with MIPS, Digital Equipment with Alpha, IBM with Power.
Most fell off as Intel and AMD succeeded. MIPS is still around and Ibm runs Power in their own big iron super computers.
Goldbeschichtung dient der verhinderung von Oxidation.
Lötstellen können, vor allem wenn sie Unsauber verlötet wurden, Oxidieren, diese Oxidation kann sich über die Lötstelle hin auf die im Board befindlichen Leiterbahnen ausbreiten.
Zudem wird durch die Beschichtung eben auch die vor dem Anbringen der Bauteile mögliche leichte Oxidation während des Fertigungs- und Lagerprozesses unterbunden.
Ebenso werden manche Bauteile mit Gold beschichtet, wenn sichergestellt werden soll das diese ihre Wärme effizient an ihre Umgebung Abführen (im Regelfall aufsitzende Kühlkörper).
Da die Wärmeübertragung über Kontaktübertragung stattfindet tritt die sonnst bei Gold beobachtbare Reflexion nicht auf, womit die reinen Innermetallischen Wärmeleitwerte wirken, und bei diesen ist Gold sehr weit oben in der Liste.
Möglich wäre auch das die Goldbeschichteten Oberflächen zu dem Oxidationsvorteil ebenso als Wärmeleitfläche genutzt werden, die durch ihren Bauteilkontakt Wärme von diesen Aufnehmen und über ihre eigene Oberfläche an die Umgebung abgeben (Vergrößerung der Oberfläche für die Wärmeabgabe).
Bei Kontakten ist die Vergoldung ebenso üblich, aufgrund der Chemischen Beständigkeit von Gold (keine Oxidbildung).
Ja das stimmt wohl.... aber ich denke dass es in diesem Business oft auch einfach gemacht wird, weil eh schon viel zuviel für die Hardware bezahlt wird. Warum also nicht auch noch die CPU vergolden... Ich meine wie gross kann der Unterschied sein zwischen einem vergoldeten Chip und einem normalen? Ein halbes Grad? Da macht ein gutes Wärmeleitpad den wesentlich grösseren Unterschied.
Ich hab ein Video von einem PDP11/34 aus dem Jahr 1978. Dort sind alle Boards blank verzinnt und nur gerade die Steckkontakte vergoldet. Der Rechner hat seine Design-Lebensdauer längst überschritten und läuft immer noch. Sollen die vergoldeten Leiterbahnen 100 Jahre halten? Schade wenn man die Kiste nach 10 Jahren wegwirft.
Aber genau das erwartet doch der Kunde von solch Teurer Technik, Ewig lange Lebenszeiten.
So wie die Kühlkörper aussehen sind diese auch nicht unbedingt sehr zu Empfehlen um die Temperatur vom Prozessorbereich in die Kühlrippen zu "Befördern".
Bei der Betrachtung der Kühlelemente wundere ich mich doch schon weshalb diese keine Heatpipes aufweisen.
Zumindest bildet sich dann auch keine Oxidschicht an der Grenze zum Wärmeleidpad.
Es tut mir auch (seltsamerweise) weh, mit anzusehen wie diese schönen Geräte in ihre Einzelteile zerlegt werden, um sie anschließend zu Verschrotten.
Mancher Kunde mag das erwarten, aber die IT Welt dreht sich wesentlich schneller als die echte. Nach 10 Jahren wird das meiste nutzlos weil die Software Resensprünge macht und die Hersteller einfach "EndOfLife" sagen. Dann kannste schauen wo du bleibst... Die meisten Kunden ersetzten dann die Hardware.
Some coworkers and I dissembled a circa 2005 IBM AS/400. It originally cost much more than this SUN unit (was about $700K in that period). The IBM was similarly designed for ease of access and serviceability, but it was nowhere near the excellence in material selection and perfection in high design.
We've got the "half" version of this (I forget the name). I've never seen such quality engineering in a server before. Really amazing stuff to play with. Now, we can't even sell it for a fraction of its original price. Hopefully a collector will pay higher than its scrap price. It would make a cool home server if it weren't for it's silly power consumption.
smaller is the M4000 or M3000. M4000 are worth nothing anymore but the M3000 is still quite expensive when you need one. Ask hardware brokers
It's the M4000. Never seen the M3000 before. The M3000 looks like a more sensible form factor for anyone who still needs that architecture, guess that explains the value. We also have some T5120s and T5140s that came from the same place. They seem like they're still good units, so we should be able to sell them for a decent amount, rather than sliding them onto the bench to be scrapped.
Try it but don't expect too much
The M4000 was half an M5000. Only one IOU (IO Unit) instead of two. The M5000 could be divided into two domains as each IOU could provide IO devices for a single domain if carved up that way.
The M3000 was almost a desktop formfactor. It was a 2U server with a traditional motherboard, etc.
как же здорово продумана конструкция... первый раз вижу такую железяку
20:00 the gold plating is most certainly NOT for looks, gold is a very good thermal conductor. It does not "perfectly reflect the heat back into the chip" it conducts out well. Copper does conduct thermally a little better than gold but I am sure there is a reason the engineers didn't use copper. It is also possible the chip is actually copper plated but looks like gold, hard to tell.
wowcolors The 'good reason' is protection from corrosion.
this is so sad :(
I just have to add that in 1996 I was fortunate enough to have an IBM 360 to tear down. this was used at a law firm. I got several 120 millimeter cooling fans made by Sanyo that will never ever ever wear out. So this junk really isn't junk these machines were engineered to play Forever the only thing that stopped them was advancement of Technology.
I have a 40 years old 20cm fan in my basement workshop to ventilate the room when I'm painting. It is a bit noisy now but works fine. It came from a DEC PDP rack from the 1970s
Finely engineered system!!!
Were do you get these units and were do you throw them away I want to grab one!
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Begs the question, Why? How does a machine like this become unwanted, unloved and obsolete? This was a pretty fast server 7 years ago.
It was end-of-lifed back in 2015/2016. At that time, the machine doesn't get any support from the manufacturer and there might even be compliance or regulatory reasons to decommission it.
Overengineered for what reason, operating it in a Leopard II tank?
Usual Sun machine, very nicely designed and build to last, a shame to rip it apart. Support sucks however, since Oracle bought them. Btw, did that machine die or was it just too 'old', since there are several average computers in the background that don't look as much worth keeping as that Sun M5000?
+Chuck Norris Funny but true.... we need more parts from these old PC's than parts for SUN servers. They almost never fail.
+chrigel1234 So it was fully functional? Would it be possible to buy the next M4000/5000 you get for scrap for material value? Already have a few x86 Sun systems at my home, but such a sparc monster would certainly be nice to play with.
Ah, those were the days ... back when Sun made computers instead of Oracle lawsuits.
Are you sure the power rails are solid copper? The connectors are aluminum, and aluminum->copper joints are generally a no-no. Solid aluminum bus bars (like we have in our mains breaker boxes in the US) should be fine.
+Pete Brown It is tin plated and partially painted copper (looks like aluminum but is not) and on the board is gold plated copper. The screws are zinc plated steel. I can not see any problems....
Jesus.. the ammount of gold anc copper on all those pcb's is nuts!
ah... great info! thank you kindly. more videos on gold recovery?
Got one of them for 300 Euro from EBay. Once in a life of a program you must have started and used this kind of machine. Now i will rip it off too and fill it with as many Raspberry 3 as it can hold (using corkboards) and lets see what has the better performance :-)
Wow! Engineering art and wonder that sadly is scrapped, but thats the way it is. Im a bit curious about power draw on theese beasts. 4x 2100W PSUs but thats for redundancy so this would probably run with 3 or maybe 2 PSUs in case of one of two AC circuits went out? Our HP c7000 has 6 PSUs, but half of them can go offine and the rest has to deliver full load.
Hello. I have been reading about power requirements for this unit. Is it really necessary to plug each power supply to a single phase 220 volt outlet with a dedicated 30 amp rated breaker? or will it be fine to plug 2 power supplies to two outlets, each with a dedicated 30 amp rated breaker? Thanks in advance.
It depends on how many servers you install and how your safety requirements are.
If your cabinet is nearly empty, you can connect all 4 inputs to one power strip without a problem. The system does not care where power is coming from. When I'm testing these things I normally connect all 4 to an ordinary 16A line.
But if you install more servers, power consuption will increase and a 16A line will not be enough. So you will have to split it up into 2 lines. Just keep in mind that when a power supply fails, the other will take twice the power. So maybe 32A line may be necessary. It'a all about power requirements and redundancy.
@@PlaywithJunk Thank you very much for your reply. I am only testing the m5000 on its own. Sun manual says it is power hungry and that damage may result to the server if power requirement recommendation is not met. Aside from this, there is a lot of issue / requirements with proper grounding. Your insight is truly helpful :)
@@patrickcorcuera4856 With "damage" they mostly mean data loss from sudden interruption. The hardware is very rugged, I don't think that will become damaged.
BTW My answer was for the SUN Blade chassis, I did not realize that you're referring to the M5000 video. But it's also true for the M5000.
When I'm testing this, I just connect all power inputs to one phase at 16A. As long as the system is almost empty there is no problem.
@@PlaywithJunk I see. Thank you for sharing your experience. Very much helpful. Hope you are safe and well and more power to your channel. :)
Just curious: What nation uses the dollar currency but uses apostrophes as a thousands separator?
I use $ because Swiss Franks are about $1 at the moment. The apostrophe (10'000) is used because I think it is better readable that way.
What nation are you from?
I mean dollars are used everywhere from Cayman Island (where 1 CHF = 0.80 dollars) to Guyana (where 1 CHF = 202.92 dollars) at the time of this comment. I'm from U.K..
OK... next time I'll say "US Dollars"... ;-)
Even old American adding machines do that. Less easy to confuse than . and , which also have opposite meanings depending on your locale.
Purple capacitors are expensive?! Well good because my server is covered with them.
Dear god it's so sad to see it go through recycling :( I'd love to have that thing!
I'm sorry but that's how it goes.... at least you can see it on video.
Just in the process of decommissioning 8x M9000, each one weighs more than a car. It might be fun to tear down one of those.
+Michael Hanlan I would like to do that too... :-)
Single Chassis or dual chassis with 16 CPUM boards? It was fun to cable up that second chassis to the base cabinet. I think it was 74 cables between the two cabinets IIRC.
@@buffuniballer dual chassis, I miss those machines, just beautifully made and impressively robust. Almost everything hotswappable. Had eight M9000, guess we don't miss the electricity bills tho.
thank you for sharing
Hi, Please can you me answer so it's possible to use two power supply instead four power supply and what need of ampere for two power supply when the server is just started. Because I would like so i can this server started in my house. In my kitschen there is a possibility to receive 16 ampere. With only one power supply can I started the server with only a bloc dual processor Inside the server. Thanks for your answer. Have a good day. Regards
It does not matter how many power supplies you use. If the server needs 2000 Watts and you have four power supplies, it takes 500W per P.S. If you use only one P.S. then it takes 2000W from that single P.S.
You can only reduce the number of CPUs and memory and PCI cards to get lower power consumption.
And why do you want to use that server in your kitchen...???
Never worked with one of these, but see in some datacenters of telecommunications companies here.
Gold plating circuit boards and CPUS adds a huge cost to the product, no engineer would spec it inside a server for asthetic reasons alone.
V*A=W 48V*2A=48+48=96W.Sorry...It is a little bit of tolerance possible,are 100 Watt.O.K.Sir.You have present a great video.This Server was old.I mean it was the 2 GB Memory modules? Thank you Sir.Ich bin ein sogenannter Klugscheisser in deutsch.Auch die Rundungsregeln berechtigen Sie in der Mathematik auf 100 Watt auf zu runden! Es hat etwas mit elektrischer Sicherheit zu tun?
Amazing Engineering....
What do you do with this kind of machine?
im still not sold on the gold cpus reflecting heat back into the chip. I think it would be the case if the heat was being radiated through the air but not in this case where is in contact and conducting heat.