I love how you guys have this quad for screaming, and this was a very high output very long lasting engine as long as you maintained it properly. This engine didn't have the land torque that people were accustomed to but it had the high-end horsepower and torque combined to pull away from them V8 if the driver knew how to step on the gas pedal
I have a 2001 2.4 l variant of the quad 4 with 150 horsepower 150 ft lb of torque as well as a variant that makes 190 horsepower f 160 oot pounds of torque as well. General motors have the opportunity here to see if the market and because of certain well I'm calling Bean counters...... They destroyed the opportunity for general motors to dominate the market with high performance 4-cylinder high fuel economy cars and well in the case of the achieva SCX WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE OVER AND DOMINATE THE MARKET THAT THEY HAD AND LOST THEIR CHANCE. OLDSMOBILE WAS JUST THE ENTRYWAY. IMAGINATIVE CHEVROLET AND BUICK IN PONTIAC COULD HAVE TOOK ON A FOUR-CYLINDER THAT MADE 200 + HORSEPOWER
This was GM's most powerful inline 4 when it was released in 87. One year earlier, that title belonged to the Tech IV - a malaise-era economy engine with a fuel injector slapped on top of it. Nothing better describes the duality of GM in the 80s.
@@michaelcharach Not all of them. They had 3 versions 150-160 HP depending on years and Models 175-180HP. 185-190. The only model I knew that had the 190 HP version was Olds Achieva SCX.
@@BigWheel. the cavalier got the quad4 for one year back in 95. by then, it was a shadow of its former self. it was back down to 150hp and the engine had all kinds of concessions made for NVH.
My first car was a 1985 Oldsmobile 98 Brougham. I even had a phone it in. I thought I was the bomb at high school because I had a phone in my car. Lol. How times have changed.
Raymond Newbill Yes it worked well even though I didn’t use it often. Lol. You could even talk on it hands free using the speakerphone combined with a mic that was above you in the headliner.
@@TheGreatPaulG you had that cars in tha 90s on in 1985 when it first came out lol ? Olds 98 are classic my first car was 1991 olds 88 lol I still remember it
Man, I'd love that 98 turbo! I remember the base model production cars well. I think Olds missed the mark big time by not pursuing these performance versions. The four door Calais has an interesting C-pillar / rear window treatment.
Almost all prototypes but especially test mules like these get crushed. The only exception is the ones they keep for museums. They’re typically not VIN#’d and the company would assume too much liability if they ever made it to the streets.
The 3.8 liter V6 was one of best GM power plants of all time. The Toronado, Ninety Eight, and Delta 88 had that engine as standard back in the late '80s. In 1989, it had 180 HP while the V8 in the Cadillac STS had just 155 HP.
Dash Riprock drivingmy daily driver 2004 Grand Prix gt 3.8 seriesIII. 402540 on the clock synthetic oil and filter every 5 6 k, transmission fluid change thru dip stick tube 4 to 5 quarts runs like new
Thank you! Thank you! I have been waiting for this GM footage to post. I appreciate you posting this footage. I appreciate this. That turbo Ninety Eight did happen. It was supercharged. It was the 3800 V6 supercharged in the early to mid 1990's. It had bigger tires too. The Ninety Eight Touring Sedan had a supercharged option in 1991-1993. There was a supercharged package on the 1994-1995 Ninety Eight. I hope to see more Oldsmobile and GM car footage in the future. There was a story about Oldsmobile Motorweek did about Quad 4 that there was a Quad 8. I know it was from the late 1980's. Thank you again.
@@TyEiraMarieMorrisonOsteen There was the 4.0 liter 32 valve V8 used in the Oldsmobile Aurora. That V8 was based on the Northstar V8. The 3.5 Liter Shortstar V6 was derived from the Olds 4.0 V8.
Hey, let's do the math! Since 1982 there has been one MW episode every week, minus 12 weeks a year for summer break, meaning there were about 720 shows between 1982 and 2000. Currently there are 486 Retro Reviews posted on YT, meaning there are at least 234 more! Rock on!
Although the Q4 had its issues with head gaskets, they returned great, 30+ mpg mileage, better than average performance, felt more like 250 hp, and handled pretty well, F41 suspension, my 1990 Regal Summerset Sport was a really good highway hauler. Right after I had replaced the head gasket, a drunk driver totaled her.
@@TheRamGuy I must have been one of the lucky few. 150,000 miles and never had a headgasket issue. I did ruin a few injectors. The fuel pump would starve on hard turns if you had a less than 1/2 a tank. Never had this problem on any other vehicle. Pretty peppy for a first car though!
@Capt. George I realize the quad4 wasn't perfect but I can see that all your recent comments have been negative. Maybe you should watch videos about things you like??
Years ago, I bought a 1987 Olds 98 Regency Brougham. It was my very first luxury sedan, and it was an absolute dream to drive. But put some good suspension on it, some premium alloy wheels with some good rubber around them, and you had quite an agile luxury family saloon. GM's luxury C-body lineup were bullet proof cars that were fun for an 18 year old to drive.
LRulesTheWorld I actually owned a 1988 Calais GMO Q4 AND a 90 Beretta GTZ both had issues, so the only joke here is you getting butt hurt trying to pretend like this was a well engineered engine
@@jimcole2648 They did. It eventually became the Ecotec, The GM's current 2.0L Turbo that they put in nearly every mainstream model they sell is a Gen III Ecotec
@@FoDaddy Nope. The Ecotec is an Opel contraption that has it's history in the 1.8L turbo used in the early J cars in the US. Also good for eating head gaskets.
That Grey 98 looks good with the 17 inch mesh-style wheels. I'd take it any day! Early version of 4-door sports sedans that are so loved in contemporary times! Only if...
Man this reminds me of being 14-15 and watching motorweek seeing these and wanting one! Tried to get my Gramps to trade in his Olds Ciera to get one of these they were production models lol
It took us 3 decades, but we finally have video footage of a running and driving quad 4 turbo. Even now, after the bailouts, "new GM" tries desperately to keep these designs hidden.
I can't remember which one but there was an episode where the driver took off a little early and the guy standing next to the car started jumping around with one foot in his hands haha! had to feel great, I hope it was a RWD car
My 88 pontiac grand-am had a quad 4 with 555,000kms [344K miles] on it before i pulled it off the road from the rear shock towers rusting out. There were no common Honda 4 bangers that could beat that car in 1000ft acceleration. Most of its life it had Mobil 1 synthetic. About 5 alternators. 1 timing chain, 1 clutch, 2 distributor modules. It was a super good engine that always started, even in -40 January. I never missed a day of work with that car. Never had to change a wheel bearing. Drove it 200kms round trip (120 miles) 4 days/week with it just to work for many years.
Could you imagine if GM put these iterations in their cars as standard equipment? They'd have revolutionized the small engine world, perhaps like the LS. They opted to use 60 degree v6s and weak 4 cylinder offerings. The Japanese manufacturers led the way for this instead.
...fast forward to the year 2020, and you find pretty much everyone wants either a 4 door sedan or 5 door “crossover” wagon with high performance. No one back then would’ve guessed a 4 door sedan and a 5 door wagon would be the cars of choice among young and old drivers.
The 98 and the gold Calais look really cool but the wraparound rear windscreen of the cherry red, unknown car steals the show! But my question is this: does a 3800 V6 or a Cadillac 4.1 / 4.5 / 4.9 V8 fit in the bay of that gen 98?
@@ericharrison619 That's nice, actually. Ok, so I now have to discover the identity of the cherry red car. It certainly looks like the Calais from the front.
When GM cars were worth buying. 98, Cutlass, Celebrity, Corseca, you name it.... great, durable cars that easily attained 20+mpg city. I still have a '96 Cutlass L, runs smooooth as silk and has a solid iron hood.
@@generaloranger6150 tell that to my 91 Beretta. I bought it in 98 with 38k on it, still own it to this day. Manual swapped it last year. Original engine still going with 206 now. Sure I've replaced parts, I mean, I've had it 22 years, but it's been damn good to me. Never seen salt or snow.
I had an '86 Regency Brougham back in the mid-90's. It was the nicest-driving car I had ever owned up to that point, and never gave me even a hint of trouble. Would have loved having those custom rims and tires on it. It may have been an old man car, but I thought there was something cool about a teenager owning a mid-80's luxury car.
I had a mint 91 or 92 White Grand AM the last year before the refresh to the 90s curvy styles. I had loads of fun in it and it was a real head turner back when I had it in 1999.
DanteGTZ fat fingers. I never even saw one around where I live but I did see a teal Acheiva SCX W41 a few times while driving around in the mid/late 90’s. Do you know how much $$$ your friend is wanting?
Just checked with my friend and turns out he sold it in December. If you're serious about one, you can check out the Quad4 Twin Cam page on FB. That's pretty much the best resource for finding a 91 W41 or a 92-93 SCX W41.
I had a red 88 quad four international version. Five speed. Car had lots of pick up and was so fun to drive. I drove it for over six years. I bought it with 80,000 miles and I racked up another 35,000 then sold it to a coworker with 115,000. I did have to put a new clutch in around 100,000 miles but it was still a great car.
My 1990 Calais International Series was one car that I wish I had back. HO Quad 4, 5-speed. Added a Hypertech chip, and aftermarket mufflers, and that thing beat a bunch of Mustangs and Camaros back in the day. Oh. It was a 4 door, with manual windows and locks. Turns out it was a unicorn, and pretty rare optioned car.
If Oldsmobile would have released vehicles like this and carried on offering rocketparts through the catalogue and dealership, they might have still been around today! I had 2 beretta GTZ's: a 90 and a 92 ( Both Quad4 powered). With all the R&D that was put into the quad4 and turbocharging it, it's a shame they didnt do it and let it go to waste. What a different outcome it could have been for GM.
Irony is that Oldsmobile was the *first* mass production automaker in the US, then Studebaker went from making horse drawn wagons to automobiles. But Olds started producing about the same time as Mercedes Benz.
WOW! Way ahead of the times. How many full size cars have turbo 4 motors these days??? It's a shame that Olds and Pontiac are no longer in business. Saturn should have never happened... who knows whose pockets all that development money wound up in.
It's all GM, all the brands used the same parts with slightly different skin. Just buy a Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac... they still have too many brands.
Those cars were definitely the cars!! You seen them out! Blew your mind.. they were the cream of puffs!! And you know how it goes what ever they sold a lot of..people bought and now you don't see them
I just recently took my 1991 Oldsmobile Calais with the quad4 and 442 sport package to the scrap yard. It had 330,000 miles on the original motor. They have a 5 speed Muncie transmission unique suspension and stock form had 180 HP. It did the 1/8th mile in 9.99 seconds. Not blazing but it was as fast as as stock 1991 mustang GT. I enjoyed the car, raised a family and was still able to race it as a daily driver. Yes I did spend a lot of money keeping up with maintenance and many parts that failed over the years.
not bad, i had a 90 i-series that i was able to get down to a 9.70/72mph in the 1/8 on street tires. i put DRs on it and ran a 9.50 flat with no mods. later, i threw an exhaust, made my own inner fender CAI, and a W41 chip but never went back to the track. fun car!
@@material___ - I only had it for about 2 years. And when I got it, I think there was only about 30-40,000 miles on it. But I drove it right across the country and back and I had no problems with the engine at all.
@@material___ When I was a GM tech, I saw loads of these things for various reasons. I would personally say, the only thing reliable about them, is their unreliability. Just my opinion though. Lots of head gasket problems, water pump problems, secondary ignition problems, etc. The water pump was driven by the timing chain, so it generally wasn't something that just anyone could replace. Decent pep and torque for what it was though. Ohh ya, and let's not forget the classic GM fuel pump issues that span the ENTIRE brand!
@@VanquisherUSMC head gaskets were solved pretty quick. the water pump wasnt really an issue until the TwinCam engines, the coil housing liked to die after a few years but it was an inexpensive part and could be changed in under 15 minutes with hand tools. i owned 5 different quad4 powered cars growing up, from LOs to W41s and even an 11:1, 8,000rpm capable Quad4 with titanium retainers and 226 cams, theyre FAR more reliable that people like to remember.
When I was a GM tech, I saw loads of these things for various reasons. I would personally say, the only thing reliable about them, is their unreliability. Just my opinion though. Lots of head gasket problems, water pump problems, secondary ignition problems, etc. The water pump was driven by the timing chain, so it generally wasn't something that just anyone could replace. Decent pep and torque for what it was though. Ohh ya, and let's not forget the classic GM fuel pump issues that span the ENTIRE brand!
@@markschommer7407 That's really funny!! My sister had an 89 Grand Am, and her head gasket went. She begged me for help, so I gave in and fixed it. I have a bad habbit of letting family take advantage of me!
Lots of OHC 4 bangers have timing driven water pumps... Some tech you were, lol. As far as fuel pumps, just use one from a flex fuel S10. Bullet proof.
When they floored the Calais I said "well, so much for that head gasket". Replaced 3 of them when I had a Calais for 5 years, when I traded in the Calais they reduced the trade value because I had cracked another one.
About par for the course back in the day. It’s amazing what almost 40 years of advancement brings even though it’s still just MacPherson struts and sway bars. Just the materials advancement alone is amazing.
In the late 1980s, someone slapped a couple of 'Quad 4' badges of his aging Ford Tempo, of all things, to show off. My thought at the time was 'Seriously?'
I had a 92 Grand Am with the Quad sohc. Thankfully it didnt gave head gasket or cylinder head issues like the DOHC but I've driven both and they had great power for the time
ironically, the sohc was the absolute worst of them all. it had FAR more problems than the DOHC versions. it was VERY common for the sohc head to split open during normal use. it was only used for 3 model years.
The cars themselves look aesthetically pleasing. However, I’m sure glad that they didn’t put the quad 4 in any of the H body vehicles. The 3800 was a far superior, and more reliable engine.
Not to mention, smoother & more refined. I can't imagine grandpa appreciating that racket in the mountains of West Virginia as it drowned out his John Denver cassette while it struggled to pass slow moving semis at high rpm.
Well they better start building better Chevy's Then. Ford and Dodge are kickin their ass in the truck/van market. As for the car market, the Koreans are eating their lunch with Hyundai and Kia.
they should have really impressed us and mated two of them together in a V-block design, with turbo. We'd have had a screaming flat-plane V-8 that probably would have been a monster for the time.
Lol how. The rest of the world was miles ahead of GM. Making out a twincam efi engine is something from the future is only something GM would do, and have buyers believe it.
Funny thing about that is I had a Subaru owner one time tell me about how much he loved his Subaru because of its reliability... then he went on to explain how he had 180,000 miles on it and all he had needed to replace so far were the head gaskets.... the first thought that came to my mind was damn near every quad four GM owner could say that but no one considered them reliable cars 👍😂
@@bigretardhalo I use to be a lube tech when I was younger had a customer come in with a oil change it was a grand am quad four🤭🙃 . Pop the drain plug then it was green oil coming out🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩 we couldn't change the guy oil. Told him got a blown head gasket and we can't touch it. The next day the guy called n said it blew the motor 🤣🤣🤣🤣💩💩💩💩🥴
The head gasket Problems were solved by a redesigned gasket. The current design by Felpro doesn't have the failures that the original OEM gaskets did. A Quad4 today is very reliable. I know, I've owned tons of them.
ARP studs and a cometic head gasket solve most of the issues... And it's not four cylinders that have head gasket problems, it's mostly engines with dissimilar metals for head and block.
I forget if it was this video, or another one about the quad 4, but some people were speculating that the quad 8 concept engine led to the development of the Northstar V8. But looking at the Chevy small-block v-8 wiki, and in particular the lt5 from the c4 zr-1 Corvette, it's more likely that they were derived from that engine.
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I love how you guys have this quad for screaming, and this was a very high output very long lasting engine as long as you maintained it properly. This engine didn't have the land torque that people were accustomed to but it had the high-end horsepower and torque combined to pull away from them V8 if the driver knew how to step on the gas pedal
I have a 2001 2.4 l variant of the quad 4 with 150 horsepower 150 ft lb of torque as well as a variant that makes 190 horsepower f
160 oot pounds of torque as well. General motors have the opportunity here to see if the market and because of certain well I'm calling Bean counters......
They destroyed the opportunity for general motors to dominate the market with high performance 4-cylinder high fuel economy cars and well in the case of the achieva SCX WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE OVER AND DOMINATE THE MARKET THAT THEY HAD AND LOST THEIR CHANCE. OLDSMOBILE WAS JUST THE ENTRYWAY. IMAGINATIVE CHEVROLET AND BUICK IN PONTIAC COULD HAVE TOOK ON A FOUR-CYLINDER THAT MADE 200 + HORSEPOWER
The body roll on that 98 was incredible.
The ride is even more incredible. You fall asleep in 3 minutes. It's like a baby carriage.
“They could have. But they didn’t.” A single thought summary of SO MUCH of GM history and why it has stumbled for decades since the start of 1970s.
This was GM's most powerful inline 4 when it was released in 87. One year earlier, that title belonged to the Tech IV - a malaise-era economy engine with a fuel injector slapped on top of it.
Nothing better describes the duality of GM in the 80s.
Sliphantom I thought that the quad 4s made 180 hp..
@@michaelcharach Not all of them. They had 3 versions 150-160 HP depending on years and Models
175-180HP. 185-190.
The only model I knew that had the 190 HP version was Olds Achieva SCX.
I bet that's why the chevy cavalier is just so fuckin quick.
I did not expect to find you here, Noodle.
Honestly I'd take single point TBI over a crappy carburetor any day.
@@BigWheel. the cavalier got the quad4 for one year back in 95. by then, it was a shadow of its former self. it was back down to 150hp and the engine had all kinds of concessions made for NVH.
My first car was a 1985 Oldsmobile 98 Brougham. I even had a phone it in. I thought I was the bomb at high school because I had a phone in my car. Lol. How times have changed.
LOL, that'd be awesome back in the day!
Did the phone work well??? Lol
Raymond Newbill Yes it worked well even though I didn’t use it often. Lol. You could even talk on it hands free using the speakerphone combined with a mic that was above you in the headliner.
@@TheGreatPaulG you had that cars in tha 90s on in 1985 when it first came out lol ? Olds 98 are classic my first car was 1991 olds 88 lol I still remember it
Lamont McDaniels Yeah it was my first car. Bought it in 1994 I believe. $2500 lol.
That gold Calais with the fender flares is sharp. Wonder where these cars went? Especially that turbo 98!
Probably to the crusher like most prototypes 😢
Man, I'd love that 98 turbo! I remember the base model production cars well. I think Olds missed the mark big time by not pursuing these performance versions. The four door Calais has an interesting C-pillar / rear window treatment.
Easy - they are piles of rust
Almost all prototypes but especially test mules like these get crushed. The only exception is the ones they keep for museums. They’re typically not VIN#’d and the company would assume too much liability if they ever made it to the streets.
"Goldsmobile Calais"
I love those gold rims on the 98
I wonder how this novel marketing plan will work out for GM. Only time will tell...
😂😂 lmao
It worked out well. Until the Aztek and the China deal in 1999.
None of these cars exist in current production. Oldsmobile went out of production in 2004.
🤣🤣 I miss Olds tho... 😢
Lol
The 3.8 liter V6 was one of best GM power plants of all time. The Toronado, Ninety Eight, and Delta 88 had that engine as standard back in the late '80s. In 1989, it had 180 HP while the V8 in the Cadillac STS had just 155 HP.
Dash Riprock drivingmy daily driver 2004 Grand Prix gt 3.8 seriesIII. 402540 on the clock synthetic oil and filter every 5 6 k, transmission fluid change thru dip stick tube 4 to 5 quarts runs like new
@@nickking1510wow!!
Those rims on the Ninety Eight look amazing together! I'd LOVE to have that car nowadays brand new 😍 (with the 3800 not the quad 4)
Looks like a dope man's car as we used to call it.
Driven both a Quad4 car and a 3800 car. The quad4 with a stick was more fun. Would have loved a turbo quad4 in my Beretta GTZ.
Thank you! Thank you! I have been waiting for this GM footage to post. I appreciate you posting this footage. I appreciate this. That turbo Ninety Eight did happen. It was supercharged. It was the 3800 V6 supercharged in the early to mid 1990's. It had bigger tires too. The Ninety Eight Touring Sedan had a supercharged option in 1991-1993. There was a supercharged package on the 1994-1995 Ninety Eight. I hope to see more Oldsmobile and GM car footage in the future. There was a story about Oldsmobile Motorweek did about Quad 4 that there was a Quad 8. I know it was from the late 1980's. Thank you again.
...but that Quad 8 ended up being--you guessed it-- NorthStar 🤷🏿♀️
@@TyEiraMarieMorrisonOsteen There was the 4.0 liter 32 valve V8 used in the Oldsmobile Aurora. That V8 was based on the Northstar V8. The 3.5 Liter Shortstar V6 was derived from the Olds 4.0 V8.
I kidnapped my first drifter in an olds 98
The supercharged 3800 was built until like 2011 it never went away since it came out in 91- 92
@@303nitzubishi4 2005 Park Avenue was the last car to have it here in America
THE 17" wheels are cool, but damn, the ride hight and spring rebound, yeesh
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@@bendavis9733 thank god
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Although the Q4 had its issues with head gaskets, they returned great, 30+ mpg mileage, better than average performance, felt more like 250 hp, and handled pretty well, F41 suspension, my 1990 Regal Summerset Sport was a really good highway hauler. Right after I had replaced the head gasket, a drunk driver totaled her.
Maybe just as well. Mine blew through 3 headgasket jobs about 50,000 miles apart....till I finally sold it with 203,000 on it.
Damn!!! That gold cutlass Calais looks better than most the boring cars available today, I’d be very proud to own that car💪🏾
I was given a quad 4 grand am. It was surprisingly quick.
@Capt. George What problems did you have with your quad4?
Me to and it was a blast to drive but the damn head gaskets always blew out on them
@@TheRamGuy I must have been one of the lucky few. 150,000 miles and never had a headgasket issue. I did ruin a few injectors. The fuel pump would starve on hard turns if you had a less than 1/2 a tank. Never had this problem on any other vehicle. Pretty peppy for a first car though!
@Capt. George I realize the quad4 wasn't perfect but I can see that all your recent comments have been negative. Maybe you should watch videos about things you like??
@deezomaxima lol, I know. Just wanted to see if he would respond.
Years ago, I bought a 1987 Olds 98 Regency Brougham. It was my very first luxury sedan, and it was an absolute dream to drive. But put some good suspension on it, some premium alloy wheels with some good rubber around them, and you had quite an agile luxury family saloon. GM's luxury C-body lineup were bullet proof cars that were fun for an 18 year old to drive.
Quad4 ..what an amazing engine . I remember I had an old Pontiac 5spd with it and it was a surpriser for sure
A turbocharged Quad 4 would have been insane 😬
.....in the amount of head gaskets that it would have gone through 🤔
All they would have to do is lower the compression ratio and the head gaskets would be okay.
This joke brought to you by someone who has never driven, worked on, or even read the TSB concerning the 'pancake batter' issue.
LRulesTheWorld I actually owned a 1988 Calais GMO Q4 AND a 90 Beretta GTZ both had issues, so the only joke here is you getting butt hurt trying to pretend like this was a well engineered engine
@@jimcole2648 They did. It eventually became the Ecotec, The GM's current 2.0L Turbo that they put in nearly every mainstream model they sell is a Gen III Ecotec
@@FoDaddy Nope. The Ecotec is an Opel contraption that has it's history in the 1.8L turbo used in the early J cars in the US. Also good for eating head gaskets.
I was saving for that new Beretta, but this might be another one I stop at the dealership to look at.
WOW, these things look cool
Drove a 87 Calais with a Quad 4 and 5 speed. That thing was an absolute blast to drive. Could chirp the tires in 3rd and sometimes 4th gear.
That Grey 98 looks good with the 17 inch mesh-style wheels. I'd take it any day!
Early version of 4-door sports sedans that are so loved in contemporary times!
Only if...
🎶this is not your father's Oldsmobile! This is the new generation of olds🎶
I remember that campaign, especially the Calais commercial with Priscilla and Lisa Marie
Your father's 442 would make you wet yourself just from the sound alone. These overworked sewing machine motors are a total turn off.
Quad 4 - same engine as in Oldsmobile Aerotech ❕❕❕
I need those gold rims.
I would daily the 4 door today lol.
You guys rock.... I love these
Man this reminds me of being 14-15 and watching motorweek seeing these and wanting one! Tried to get my Gramps to trade in his Olds Ciera to get one of these they were production models lol
It took us 3 decades, but we finally have video footage of a running and driving quad 4 turbo. Even now, after the bailouts, "new GM" tries desperately to keep these designs hidden.
1:38 Geesh don't get your feet run over.
Little chance of that happening! Too slow
I can't remember which one but there was an episode where the driver took off a little early and the guy standing next to the car started jumping around with one foot in his hands haha! had to feel great, I hope it was a RWD car
2:22 a scene from Flint or north side of Milwaukee during the late 90s.
Very true
I'd kill for that turbo quad 4 Olds 98. Holy shit that is cool.
These cars looks so sick with nice wheels
A turbo Quad Four would have been so cool
And it all worked out great for Oldsmobile in the end 🤣
Luke Rinderknecht it did. Until GM made a deal with China to do what Olds was doing.
I see how all That innovation, Worked out for Oldsmobile .
Ooooomyyyyyy🥰🥰💯👌👏👏👏All 3 look sooo sick😲
My 88 pontiac grand-am had a quad 4 with 555,000kms [344K miles] on it before i pulled it off the road from the rear shock towers rusting out. There were no common Honda 4 bangers that could beat that car in 1000ft acceleration. Most of its life it had Mobil 1 synthetic. About 5 alternators. 1 timing chain, 1 clutch, 2 distributor modules. It was a super good engine that always started, even in -40 January. I never missed a day of work with that car. Never had to change a wheel bearing. Drove it 200kms round trip (120 miles) 4 days/week with it just to work for many years.
My 1989 Point SE had that engine. 3 head gasket jobs, 1 alternator, 1 timing chain and repairs to the distributor tower. But died at 203,000.
Could you imagine if GM put these iterations in their cars as standard equipment? They'd have revolutionized the small engine world, perhaps like the LS. They opted to use 60 degree v6s and weak 4 cylinder offerings. The Japanese manufacturers led the way for this instead.
...fast forward to the year 2020, and you find pretty much everyone wants either a 4 door sedan or 5 door “crossover” wagon with high performance. No one back then would’ve guessed a 4 door sedan and a 5 door wagon would be the cars of choice among young and old drivers.
The 98 and the gold Calais look really cool but the wraparound rear windscreen of the cherry red, unknown car steals the show! But my question is this: does a 3800 V6 or a Cadillac 4.1 / 4.5 / 4.9 V8 fit in the bay of that gen 98?
Yes, That generation all of the way till the end of Olds came with the 3800.
@@ericharrison619 That's nice, actually. Ok, so I now have to discover the identity of the cherry red car. It certainly looks like the Calais from the front.
When GM cars were worth buying. 98, Cutlass, Celebrity, Corseca, you name it.... great, durable cars that easily attained 20+mpg city. I still have a '96 Cutlass L, runs smooooth as silk and has a solid iron hood.
The 3.1 was junk. Had one, the iron block and aluminum heads designed caused endless trouble.
@@generaloranger6150 tell that to my 91 Beretta. I bought it in 98 with 38k on it, still own it to this day. Manual swapped it last year. Original engine still going with 206 now. Sure I've replaced parts, I mean, I've had it 22 years, but it's been damn good to me. Never seen salt or snow.
@Roger Dodger
Um, no. That would be the "K" cars from Chrysler.
@Roger Dodger
Yes, they helped save Chrysler, but not because they were good cars.
1980's GM cars are absolute trash.
I had an '86 Regency Brougham back in the mid-90's. It was the nicest-driving car I had ever owned up to that point, and never gave me even a hint of trouble. Would have loved having those custom rims and tires on it. It may have been an old man car, but I thought there was something cool about a teenager owning a mid-80's luxury car.
Stand out from the crowd 😁
These quad 4s are fairly impressive considering the both NA and turbo'd engine here is fairly close with comparable engines today
The Quad 4 was quite an engine for it's day.
I had a mint 91 or 92 White Grand AM the last year before the refresh to the 90s curvy styles. I had loads of fun in it and it was a real head turner back when I had it in 1999.
Great sleeper potential. No one would guess that it has 200+ HP (make more with special tuning) turbocharged engine. Nice nice nice.
Always wanted a Calais quad 442 W31. 190hp 4 banger back then was amazing. Heck even now there aren’t many.
W41. There were just ~204 built, a few of which are still around. I have a buddy that is looking to sell his mint 91 W41 if you're interested
DanteGTZ fat fingers. I never even saw one around where I live but I did see a teal Acheiva SCX W41 a few times while driving around in the mid/late 90’s. Do you know how much $$$ your friend is wanting?
Just checked with my friend and turns out he sold it in December. If you're serious about one, you can check out the Quad4 Twin Cam page on FB. That's pretty much the best resource for finding a 91 W41 or a 92-93 SCX W41.
I had a red 88 quad four international version. Five speed. Car had lots of pick up and was so fun to drive. I drove it for over six years. I bought it with 80,000 miles and I racked up another 35,000 then sold it to a coworker with 115,000. I did have to put a new clutch in around 100,000 miles but it was still a great car.
Ohhhh these cars ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
My 1990 Calais International Series was one car that I wish I had back.
HO Quad 4, 5-speed. Added a Hypertech chip, and aftermarket mufflers, and that thing beat a bunch of Mustangs and Camaros back in the day.
Oh. It was a 4 door, with manual windows and locks.
Turns out it was a unicorn, and pretty rare optioned car.
Just hearing that GM had the aim of having every brand be separate and distinct.....from the kings of the cookie cutter cars.....
I had an 89 Olds Calais...Head Gasket went, fortunately under warranty...Automatic transmission was good, pretty good power
If Oldsmobile would have released vehicles like this and carried on offering rocketparts through the catalogue and dealership, they might have still been around today! I had 2 beretta GTZ's: a 90 and a 92 ( Both Quad4 powered). With all the R&D that was put into the quad4 and turbocharging it, it's a shame they didnt do it and let it go to waste. What a different outcome it could have been for GM.
That calais looks thiccc af
Omg a quad 4 in a Olds 98! 😍😍😍
Irony is that Oldsmobile was the *first* mass production automaker in the US, then Studebaker went from making horse drawn wagons to automobiles.
But Olds started producing about the same time as Mercedes Benz.
WOW! Way ahead of the times. How many full size cars have turbo 4 motors these days??? It's a shame that Olds and Pontiac are no longer in business. Saturn should have never happened... who knows whose pockets all that development money wound up in.
It's all GM, all the brands used the same parts with slightly different skin. Just buy a Chevrolet/GMC/Buick/Cadillac... they still have too many brands.
1981 Olds Delta 88 Royal Coupe, hand me down from dad was my first car in HS (1988). So Awesomely large, lol.
These look great.
1:38 Guy in car "lemme see the stuff" Two dudes " bro we're not cops"
Those quad 4 engines where a gem!😎👍
NOT!
Those cars were definitely the cars!! You seen them out! Blew your mind.. they were the cream of puffs!! And you know how it goes what ever they sold a lot of..people bought and now you don't see them
I just recently took my 1991 Oldsmobile Calais with the quad4 and 442 sport package to the scrap yard. It had 330,000 miles on the original motor. They have a 5 speed Muncie transmission unique suspension and stock form had 180 HP. It did the 1/8th mile in 9.99 seconds. Not blazing but it was as fast as as stock 1991 mustang GT. I enjoyed the car, raised a family and was still able to race it as a daily driver. Yes I did spend a lot of money keeping up with maintenance and many parts that failed over the years.
not bad, i had a 90 i-series that i was able to get down to a 9.70/72mph in the 1/8 on street tires. i put DRs on it and ran a 9.50 flat with no mods. later, i threw an exhaust, made my own inner fender CAI, and a W41 chip but never went back to the track. fun car!
Hey MotorWeek, do you have a retro review of the first MotorWeek'88 episode from 1987, which is the first time, the show took place outdoors?
1987 was a very good year.
Oldsmobile in the late-80's-early-90's really started to become the performance division
holy bodyroll batman!
I bought a used, Olds Calais with a Quad 4 (auto) way back when. A little bit buzzy, but a peppy engine with decent gas mileage. I liked it.
McRocket was the engine dependable? Nothing but bad things about the quad 4
@@material___ - I only had it for about 2 years. And when I got it, I think there was only about 30-40,000 miles on it.
But I drove it right across the country and back and I had no problems with the engine at all.
@@material___ When I was a GM tech, I saw loads of these things for various reasons. I would personally say, the only thing reliable about them, is their unreliability. Just my opinion though. Lots of head gasket problems, water pump problems, secondary ignition problems, etc. The water pump was driven by the timing chain, so it generally wasn't something that just anyone could replace. Decent pep and torque for what it was though. Ohh ya, and let's not forget the classic GM fuel pump issues that span the ENTIRE brand!
@@VanquisherUSMC head gaskets were solved pretty quick. the water pump wasnt really an issue until the TwinCam engines, the coil housing liked to die after a few years but it was an inexpensive part and could be changed in under 15 minutes with hand tools.
i owned 5 different quad4 powered cars growing up, from LOs to W41s and even an 11:1, 8,000rpm capable Quad4 with titanium retainers and 226 cams, theyre FAR more reliable that people like to remember.
That 98 looks like my 1988 98 regency brougham. So cool !!
When I was a GM tech, I saw loads of these things for various reasons. I would personally say, the only thing reliable about them, is their unreliability. Just my opinion though. Lots of head gasket problems, water pump problems, secondary ignition problems, etc. The water pump was driven by the timing chain, so it generally wasn't something that just anyone could replace. Decent pep and torque for what it was though. Ohh ya, and let's not forget the classic GM fuel pump issues that span the ENTIRE brand!
My sister had one and at 60,000 the head gasket was blown. She traded it. The car was a 1989 Pontiac Grand Am.
@@markschommer7407 That's really funny!! My sister had an 89 Grand Am, and her head gasket went. She begged me for help, so I gave in and fixed it. I have a bad habbit of letting family take advantage of me!
Lots of OHC 4 bangers have timing driven water pumps... Some tech you were, lol. As far as fuel pumps, just use one from a flex fuel S10. Bullet proof.
So awesome
When they floored the Calais I said "well, so much for that head gasket". Replaced 3 of them when I had a Calais for 5 years, when I traded in the Calais they reduced the trade value because I had cracked another one.
DexCool was notorious for blowing head gaskets. Not really an issue anymore, since GM switched the coolant.
@@SportsMusicCars they blew even after coolant flushed and replaced
i didnt know 17s have been out that long
Fingers crossed they get this into production. Haven't seen a new car from Oldsmobile in years.
Looks like they need to "tweak the suspension" a bit more.. body roll much?
About par for the course back in the day. It’s amazing what almost 40 years of advancement brings even though it’s still just MacPherson struts and sway bars. Just the materials advancement alone is amazing.
Those cars were sleepers. I think these package models are rare.
I would love to daily drive that turbo Olds 98. Talk about a 'sleeper'!
That olds 98 is pretty sweet!
that body roll on the 98 reminds me of an Avalon rental car I drove back around 2009 :|
In the late 1980s, someone slapped a couple of 'Quad 4' badges of his aging Ford Tempo, of all things, to show off. My thought at the time was 'Seriously?'
Awesome
I miss Olds and Mercury...
And Pontiac...
Olds had some good products.
Thanks
The Quad Four was drastically underused
It appears to have evaporated like so many other potential sellers courtesy of the bean counters !
Buddy had a red turbo two door with grey interior one that resembled the gold one. Fast handling car for its time. Gave 5.0's trouble
Miss when these kind of cars were around..... the world was more "hands on". Damn that all Gold car is hardcore 💪
I had a 92 Grand Am with the Quad sohc. Thankfully it didnt gave head gasket or cylinder head issues like the DOHC but I've driven both and they had great power for the time
ironically, the sohc was the absolute worst of them all. it had FAR more problems than the DOHC versions. it was VERY common for the sohc head to split open during normal use. it was only used for 3 model years.
The cars themselves look aesthetically pleasing. However, I’m sure glad that they didn’t put the quad 4 in any of the H body vehicles. The 3800 was a far superior, and more reliable engine.
Not to mention, smoother & more refined. I can't imagine grandpa appreciating that racket in the mountains of West Virginia as it drowned out his John Denver cassette while it struggled to pass slow moving semis at high rpm.
The GM top brass has one rule that is still applies to this day.. Chevrolet has and always will be number one car within the GM brands.
Well they better start building better Chevy's Then. Ford and Dodge are kickin their ass in the truck/van market. As for the car market, the Koreans are eating their lunch with Hyundai and Kia.
Except for a couple of years in the mid 80s. Thanks to a 3.8 turbo Buick.
they should have really impressed us and mated two of them together in a V-block design, with turbo. We'd have had a screaming flat-plane V-8 that probably would have been a monster for the time.
These engines were ahead of their time
Lol how. The rest of the world was miles ahead of GM. Making out a twincam efi engine is something from the future is only something GM would do, and have buyers believe it.
Those bad quad 4s 🤣. Bad head gaskets
Funny thing about that is I had a Subaru owner one time tell me about how much he loved his Subaru because of its reliability... then he went on to explain how he had 180,000 miles on it and all he had needed to replace so far were the head gaskets.... the first thought that came to my mind was damn near every quad four GM owner could say that but no one considered them reliable cars 👍😂
@@bigretardhalo right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@bigretardhalo I use to be a lube tech when I was younger had a customer come in with a oil change it was a grand am quad four🤭🙃 . Pop the drain plug then it was green oil coming out🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩 we couldn't change the guy oil. Told him got a blown head gasket and we can't touch it. The next day the guy called n said it blew the motor 🤣🤣🤣🤣💩💩💩💩🥴
The head gasket Problems were solved by a redesigned gasket. The current design by Felpro doesn't have the failures that the original OEM gaskets did. A Quad4 today is very reliable. I know, I've owned tons of them.
ARP studs and a cometic head gasket solve most of the issues... And it's not four cylinders that have head gasket problems, it's mostly engines with dissimilar metals for head and block.
Nice bbs wheels on the oldsmobile
Nice wheels
Do you think Olds will be a big seller ? With these mods they will be around for ever !
Even the prototypes have all the flair of a cinderblock.
I forget if it was this video, or another one about the quad 4, but some people were speculating that the quad 8 concept engine led to the development of the Northstar V8. But looking at the Chevy small-block v-8 wiki, and in particular the lt5 from the c4 zr-1 Corvette, it's more likely that they were derived from that engine.